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Speaker 2: Done done, Hello, and welcome to Thats messed up.
Speaker 1: But I'm one of your hosts.
Speaker 2: Kara Klank and I'm Liza Traeger, and we're coming from
Speaker 2: you live from the East Coast, both of us, Yes,
Speaker 2: we're both on.
Speaker 1: The East Coast.
Speaker 2: I just got here just the day after the fourth
Speaker 2: and the power was out for two days. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Wait we talked us to you True Crime. We have
Speaker 2: celeb guests. Okay, yes, I'm sorry. It was like I had.
Speaker 2: We had such a great like cross country check.
Speaker 1: Now what room are you in? Are you your brother?
Speaker 1: What is that?
Speaker 3: I'm at my mom's Okay, okay, my mom's and like,
Speaker 3: such a good trip, barely any snaffoos. Only pulled over
Speaker 3: by the cops one time and I got a warning,
Speaker 3: not a.
Speaker 1: Ticket, that you do and huh, what'd you do?
Speaker 3: I was doing forty two and a thirty, but I
Speaker 3: had just come off the highway and I was like
Speaker 3: the highway seventy five. You guys like you can't make
Speaker 3: us go from seventy five to thirty When we first
Speaker 3: get off, like it feels like you're like jogging alongside.
Speaker 1: It, like it's too slow.
Speaker 2: But anyway, the guy was like gave me a warning,
Speaker 2: which I was like, thank you, but no problems at all.
Speaker 2: And then I guess my mom's house powers out for
Speaker 2: two fucking full days. Camp gets canceled.
Speaker 3: Noah, the first day I'm supposed to have the kids
Speaker 3: away from me in three and a half fucking weeks
Speaker 3: and their camp gets canceled.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, I don't even know what to
Speaker 2: do because of the power, yes, yes, and what's the
Speaker 2: power because it's so high and all the electricity. Well no,
Speaker 2: there was a huge storm on the fourth of July
Speaker 2: and like it knocked all these trees into power lines.
Speaker 2: And then like they're at this farm camp, which like
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: It it has it has covered structures, but like they
Speaker 3: were too worried that Monday was gonna like lightning or something. Anyway,
Speaker 3: it was it's today's my first day now without my children.
Speaker 3: These are my first like two hours without my children
Speaker 3: in three and a half weeks, and I'm just so
Speaker 3: thrilled to be here, so thrilled. I'm so happy. I
Speaker 3: feel like I feel like I have wings. I mean,
Speaker 3: I love them, but this is like a lot of
Speaker 3: un stopped time with them. And know we're back to
Speaker 3: normal with them going to camp and such. But yeah,
Speaker 3: it's been How was your fourth How was well?
Speaker 1: I just said, I have huge news. What what listen?
Speaker 2: I the fact that Taylor Swift had someone at her
Speaker 2: wedding that owns ice detention centers.
Speaker 1: I'm done. I'm out.
Speaker 2: I covered my sticker on my phone. I'm giving away
Speaker 2: everything and I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm done. I'm done. Wow, I was wondering how you were.
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 2: That's my hardline. I've I don't care. I'm done. So
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm gonna listen to. I guess
Speaker 2: just the instrumentals from heated rivalry. Like, I don't know
Speaker 2: what I'm gonna do, but I have to take all
Speaker 2: of everything away. I'm still gonna make bracelets. She doesn't
Speaker 2: own beads, but like, yeah, I'm done. Oh that's tough.
Speaker 3: I mean, I gotta say, like, the whole wedding to
Speaker 3: me just seemed like, ugh.
Speaker 2: I was fine with the wedding, and a part of
Speaker 2: me thought she invited so many people to show Blake Lively, like,
Speaker 2: this is how little you mean to me? I have
Speaker 2: the woman that just created the summer. I turned pretty
Speaker 2: here and you're not invited. So in my head, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: invite it, like George.
Speaker 3: Stevenopolis is here and you're not invited yet, Like there
Speaker 3: was like the list was so random.
Speaker 2: I mean, I still like support. I liked the wedding.
Speaker 2: I got it, I understood it, I felt it. I
Speaker 2: was happy people were messaging me. And then I also
Speaker 2: clocked it because Marishka on the Broadway calendar, she had
Speaker 2: Friday the third off, and so I knew because I
Speaker 2: went to see her on Broadway, and so then I
Speaker 2: sent it to Michael, who I went with. She's a
Speaker 2: big Mrshka person. She is on our Patriot on if
Speaker 2: you guys want to listen to fans of s for
Speaker 2: you have a good time. But I sent her the
Speaker 2: calendar being like, confirmed the wedding's happening, Marishka's taking the
Speaker 2: night off, and she wrote, Lol, what wedding.
Speaker 1: And I'm like to be so free, to be so free.
Speaker 2: But there's no fucking Travis's bullshit sometimes, you know, like
Speaker 2: whatever her her closeness and proximity to Maga's always.
Speaker 1: Been an issue to me.
Speaker 2: And I don't really care about the environment, Like I
Speaker 2: think she should fly private.
Speaker 1: She cannot go on Delta.
Speaker 2: Sorry, and she's still not even the worst, Like the
Speaker 2: flying private is like the least of it. I just
Speaker 2: but I was fine with ice detention centers. You're friends
Speaker 2: with someone that's who's gonna watch you get married, someone
Speaker 2: that owns private prisons for children.
Speaker 1: Fuck you, I'm done. This is no longer a Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift podcast. Wow wow.
Speaker 3: I mean I also thought, like the msg of it
Speaker 3: all seemed like it just seemed like like causing traffic
Speaker 3: and all of this bulls.
Speaker 2: That's in a huge city tailor. She loves New York.
Speaker 2: I was fine with the wedding, like it made sense
Speaker 2: to me. It's like, you want a ton of people,
Speaker 2: You're probably gonna spend twenty to fifty million. It's gonna
Speaker 2: look nice, security everyone's taking care of Like, I got
Speaker 2: I understood it.
Speaker 1: I got it.
Speaker 3: I'd be interested to see how the inside looked, like
Speaker 3: how did you drape all of Madison Square Garden? Like
Speaker 3: so that you weren't walking by a concession stand at
Speaker 3: some point, you know what I mean, Like I really
Speaker 3: am interested in what the interior looked.
Speaker 1: Like, but I also think it was probably just the
Speaker 1: first floor, you know what I mean, Like I don't
Speaker 1: know if you were like up and around.
Speaker 3: But yeah, the guest list, it just kept more people
Speaker 3: coming out of the wood.
Speaker 2: But she said that on Ramnoren she was just like, listen,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to cut anyone. She's like, what's stressful
Speaker 2: about weddings is making lists, and like I'm not going
Speaker 2: to do it.
Speaker 1: She goes after cut, she cut one big person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, interesting, Okay, Well what did you do?
Speaker 1: Over the fourth?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna survive. I don't know what I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do this. I don't know what's gonna happen. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know how I'm gonna live anymore. And see
Speaker 2: last night I was like, I'm gonna do a casual.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do casual, stayed ounseil three thirty in the
Speaker 2: morning playing darts.
Speaker 1: I will Okay, So.
Speaker 2: What I do On the third, I wanted to watch
Speaker 2: Cobo verde Argentina and everyone ditched me. I was texting.
Speaker 2: If anyone saw how desperate my text were, I'd be humiliated. No,
Speaker 2: I could find no one to hang out with me.
Speaker 2: So I went to a new bar in my neighborhood
Speaker 2: that I was wanted to try, brought a book, got
Speaker 2: a seat, started watching, and then I was bribing people
Speaker 2: in the neighborhood to meet me. So I had Emma
Speaker 2: Willman stop Alex English, you know. So I got people
Speaker 2: to meet me, and then I ended up running into
Speaker 2: people I knew, and then it ended up being like amazing.
Speaker 2: I had shrimp cocktails, someone had a backgammon set in
Speaker 2: their purse, played backgammon at the bar, and watched soccer
Speaker 2: and it was like I gotta be ridible. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: and it was incredible. And then on the fourth yeah,
Speaker 2: friends in town. I went to the Rockways. Actually I
Speaker 2: hung out.
Speaker 1: With the person from who what weekly or whatever, Lindsay. No,
Speaker 1: I was weekly. I was with Lindsay at the beach.
Speaker 2: But I didn't know Jake Cornell, of course, the most
Speaker 2: popular sexy man in the world, like, okay, like the
Speaker 2: hottest person ever. People always like, what's your type? I'm
Speaker 2: like Jake Cornell, I don't know. I don't know what
Speaker 2: to tell you.
Speaker 3: She I've told Alison this before, but she gives me
Speaker 3: Allison livey vibes like in a way, and I was,
Speaker 3: I don't know, she's she's more friendly than everyone Elise
Speaker 3: on the podcast.
Speaker 2: No, she but it didn't clock for me. Like we
Speaker 2: were all at the beach was a big group. I
Speaker 2: didn't know that many people. We saw some sharks, doll fins,
Speaker 2: but yeah, beach beach all day. So then someone had
Speaker 2: a bungalow near the beach, and so I got to
Speaker 2: take a cold shower, an outdoor cold shower after life.
Speaker 3: Doors shower is the fucking one of life's great pleasures.
Speaker 1: I love them so much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't do it enough because I'm kind of dirty,
Speaker 2: so I usually I don't care to shop.
Speaker 1: And you're going to find in New York City city
Speaker 1: that much, you know.
Speaker 3: I feel like I think about door showers as like
Speaker 3: on Cape Cod or like you know, at beach Towns
Speaker 3: or whatever, like it's so but they're the best.
Speaker 1: But then love outdoor showers.
Speaker 2: But then I got home quick nap, and then I
Speaker 2: was invited to like a gorgeous outdoor backyard dinner and
Speaker 2: it was one of the best meals I've ever had
Speaker 2: in my life. Wow, one of the best meals I've
Speaker 2: ever had in my life. But I was home by midnight,
Speaker 2: oh by midnight, And then Sunday I got to It's
Speaker 2: an La Mexican spot in my neighborhood, Dodgers Bar, and
Speaker 2: I got a seats at three pm and we watched
Speaker 2: both soccer games, and you know meelli devastating loss, of course,
Speaker 2: but I was there from like three to eleven.
Speaker 1: Wait, who did Mexico lose to England? Wow? Crazy? But
Speaker 1: Norway is going to crush them.
Speaker 2: But what's going to be so exciting about this Norway
Speaker 2: game is like the main Norway guy plays in Manchester,
Speaker 2: so he's gonna be playing against all of his besties.
Speaker 1: Ooh, and he's going to crush him. I've heard he's
Speaker 1: like the best.
Speaker 2: He is the best, but he's also like sweet and silly.
Speaker 2: It seems like he's nice to his girlfriend, he doesn't engage,
Speaker 2: he's not fighting.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: He seems awesome Norway to the max. So now I'm
Speaker 2: team Norway. But my whole family obviously cheering for Mexico.
Speaker 2: My dad was in a Mexico hat and we were
Speaker 2: at the Mexican Bar. Like that's why I got there
Speaker 2: so early because it was so fucking packed.
Speaker 1: Wow, so you got good, good seats. And then of
Speaker 1: course I stay out till four that night too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, what can I say. It's summer, it's
Speaker 2: World Cup, it's New York.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm trying to figure out.
Speaker 3: As this episode comes out, we will already be in
Speaker 3: past quarterfinals, I feel, so we'll be like we'll really
Speaker 3: know more when this episode comes out, but right now
Speaker 3: we only know who survived this.
Speaker 1: But I'm trying to go to the beach on Saturday.
Speaker 2: Then I have three shows, like I don't know, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna do it all, but I need to watch Norway,
Speaker 2: so maybe I'll watch it at the rock Way.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, Okay, spill.
Speaker 2: We only have a few more weeks of this being
Speaker 2: my personality, so I gotta get the most spill on
Speaker 2: Marishka in every brilliant thing I saw. She had her
Speaker 2: last show I didn't get to go. So she is incredible.
Speaker 2: She's dynamics. She's on stage before the play starts, you know,
Speaker 2: because there's a lot of audience participations, like you kind
Speaker 2: of see her, so that's really cool.
Speaker 1: She looks great, she's awesome.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I love the show and I
Speaker 2: hate the audience participation.
Speaker 5: Oh you do.
Speaker 2: I hate it, And it creates a certain advit well,
Speaker 2: because people don't know how to project or missing. I'd
Speaker 2: rather her sail the line, right, I don't get it.
Speaker 2: It's also it's a really it's about the play about suicide. Okay,
Speaker 2: so every brilliant thing is like all of a list
Speaker 2: of stuff that's worth living for and how those things
Speaker 2: actually don't help the ones because it's bigger than that,
Speaker 2: and like it's just a very poignant show. And before
Speaker 2: the last line, it's obviously the end, some bitch had
Speaker 2: to heckle. Some bitch screamed out before the final fucking
Speaker 2: line of this pretty sad play, like.
Speaker 1: What did g L? So basically it's like a list
Speaker 1: of stuff.
Speaker 2: So it's like all of these things that are worth
Speaker 2: living for, and then her the goal of this show
Speaker 2: and this character is like she wants to get to
Speaker 2: one million, and includes other people and everyone's like listing
Speaker 2: these things, and so she goes and one million and
Speaker 2: this woman goes.
Speaker 1: Meeting Marishka Hargatay.
Speaker 2: And then people start clapping, so then Marishka has to
Speaker 2: stand and wait and then and then deliver this like line.
Speaker 1: Animals and yeah, animals.
Speaker 2: People took the phone out during the show taking photos.
Speaker 2: I mean, the most untrained theater audience I've ever been
Speaker 2: a part of. Yeah, the cool things were that Jalen
Speaker 2: Brunson's parents were there and we all went nuts when
Speaker 2: we saw them and clapped them, and then they got
Speaker 2: and then Marishka brought his mom out for one of
Speaker 2: the audience parts and we all went nuts. But like
Speaker 2: Dean Winters was there also, I was at ear And
Speaker 2: all day watching Austria Spain. Yeah, so I was at one.
Speaker 1: Of my favorite with ending. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I was at the bar all day, then went
Speaker 2: to see Broadway, then walked forty blocks, did comedy, then
Speaker 2: stayed out again till two thirty in the morning. Oh
Speaker 2: my lord, I don't know, I don't know, and I
Speaker 2: don't really see an end in sight.
Speaker 3: Well, the World Cup at least will be wrapping up
Speaker 3: in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, before I go to Peetown and Monte Carlo, Like,
Speaker 2: what are we talking about I guess maybe maybe September
Speaker 2: after your birthday we could sweak it. Hope we could
Speaker 2: pray for a reprieve. I mean, I guess i'ven't been working.
Speaker 2: I'm like, something's gotta give, and it's been I would
Speaker 2: say my fitness, my fitness because I've been in these streets.
Speaker 1: Also, so I'm with Jake Cornell.
Speaker 2: We're like outside, we're in the West Village and I
Speaker 2: run into someone I know and he's with his friends
Speaker 2: and gay guys and I could tell immediately j K
Speaker 2: it's him, Like I could just tell. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: ja K's's person. I'm like, he's not like a great guy,
Speaker 2: but like I'm here for a casual kombo. Topic of
Speaker 2: ice cream comes up. We talk Van Luen and Van
Speaker 2: Luin now has like self served and I go great,
Speaker 2: and then they go or you should try cultured and
Speaker 2: I go, I'm not really like waiting in line for
Speaker 2: ice cream, like maybe in the winter.
Speaker 1: I'll go like I.
Speaker 2: Don't give a fuck, and then he goes, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: you seem like a carvel person to.
Speaker 1: Me, dropping my mic are you kidding?
Speaker 2: And Jake went you should go inside now like he
Speaker 2: defended my honor immediately, and I go, can you believe
Speaker 2: that it does seem like a carvel person? Yeah, like
Speaker 2: a cookie postcake? What the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 2: So I went, well, I'd rather eat candy anyways. And
Speaker 2: then we walked inside and Jake was like, I hate
Speaker 2: that guy.
Speaker 3: I go, well, then he will to tell someone that
Speaker 3: they don't seem like an artisanal ice cream person, but
Speaker 3: they seem like a chain ice cream like eighties ninety
Speaker 3: like famous for like a whale cake is really like
Speaker 3: not it that icic psychotic?
Speaker 1: Yes, sociopathic social behavior?
Speaker 2: Wow, Well you were just goes to show you that
Speaker 2: your little barometer was right because you knew it from
Speaker 2: the jump that this guy sucked, and then he proved it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and if he like people sometimes don't realize that. It's like,
Speaker 2: my kindness is what's keeping this together.
Speaker 1: Ha ha.
Speaker 2: It's like, honey, if you want to play, we can play. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this happened to me at the Mexican spot. I go,
Speaker 2: it's packed of people in a tiny fucking bar and
Speaker 2: I as I'm walking from the bathroom, I hear a
Speaker 2: girl go, she stepped on my toe. So in my
Speaker 2: head I go, oh, I'm gonna buy this girl a shot.
Speaker 2: I was feeling great, you know, so I turn around.
Speaker 2: I go, are you okay? She goes, no, you stepped
Speaker 2: on my foot. And I go, well, you're in a
Speaker 2: packed bar, you dumb bitch, Like you don't know who
Speaker 2: you're fucking with.
Speaker 1: Like people just do not know.
Speaker 2: That's how I felt when I watched Send Help, Like
Speaker 2: that was my favorite fucking lesson where it's like you
Speaker 2: never fucking know who you're talking to. It's like, I
Speaker 2: was gonna buy you a shot. I checked in on you.
Speaker 2: You're mad I stepped on your toe. I will throw
Speaker 2: you across this bar. Yeah, people, people do not. I
Speaker 2: It's like it's crazy to me. No, It's like when
Speaker 2: I spilled a sip of white wine on that woman
Speaker 2: at a Paul Simon concert at the Hollywood Bowl.
Speaker 3: I got her napkins, I was wiping her up. I
Speaker 3: was like, I'm so so sorry. It was literally it's
Speaker 3: a white wine and it's a mouthful, like it was
Speaker 3: literally not wasn't in my mouth, but I'm.
Speaker 1: Just saying it wasn't a lot.
Speaker 3: And then I was like, and then after she wouldn't
Speaker 3: stop fucking mean mugging me and complaining. I go, I've
Speaker 3: ever been to a concert before, Like this is what
Speaker 3: it is, and that's it.
Speaker 2: You're you're done, You've spent my good will. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: saw a girl complain that the bartender put water. But
Speaker 2: it's just like I came steps on your There's four
Speaker 2: hundred people here, like.
Speaker 3: What are you talk Like what are elbow you in
Speaker 3: the goddamn ribs?
Speaker 1: Like it's we're a.
Speaker 2: And then it's like you stepped on my tone and
Speaker 2: it's like yeah, and I asked how you're doing? So,
Speaker 2: like what more do you want from this? You want
Speaker 2: a time travel bitch? Like what are we talking about?
Speaker 2: You should leave. I'm gonna go. I'm so sad for
Speaker 2: what I did.
Speaker 1: I'm leaving, Like what is your goal here? Oh? Meet okay?
Speaker 1: I also meet Ball? Who listens? I meet Ball. I
Speaker 1: saw your clip.
Speaker 2: I saw your clip that people like heat a rivalry
Speaker 2: a little too much and we're on Well I heard that,
Speaker 2: and I do take it as a personal attack, and
Speaker 2: I do make it.
Speaker 3: I saw your clip about the Zoom bachelortte party that
Speaker 3: we were both.
Speaker 2: At the way I didn't do my hair or makeup
Speaker 2: for Nicole byer A Giant Stars podcast, Like.
Speaker 1: That was the day? Did the Netflix like poker tournament too?
Speaker 1: Like I who's like I got to blow out the
Speaker 1: next day? Like it sickens me.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but yeah, yeah Zoom, you're usually on
Speaker 2: top of the blowouts.
Speaker 1: I was just like in l I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, I hope everybody had an enjoy enjoyed there. And
Speaker 2: if that woman that I stepped on was at all normal,
Speaker 2: I'd be like, let's do a shot.
Speaker 1: Like it's like you, what is your goal? What is
Speaker 1: your actual goal here?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Some people are just miserable. Oh you know, we.
Speaker 2: Didn't even talk about empire state of mind engagement?
Speaker 5: Wow?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's with those people there?
Speaker 3: Russians? I love that we Oh we have backstory, okay,
Speaker 3: because I haven't like so they do have a z
Speaker 3: I've seen the me I saw the original and then
Speaker 3: the memes and I don't know anything about them.
Speaker 2: Well they're so hot, so I did find them on
Speaker 2: the internet. She has over a million followers, like she's
Speaker 2: she does this and.
Speaker 3: So that she's a he's a free climber or like
Speaker 3: a prank kind of person climbing climbing it's ok but
Speaker 3: I don't think it's free, Like she's cooler than it's
Speaker 3: like sexy climbing, I would call it okay.
Speaker 2: So her and this guy like they were competitors, Like
Speaker 2: she's like, that's my competition in this like climbing universe.
Speaker 1: She was like, that's like my enemy.
Speaker 2: And then then she was like, wait, he's so hot,
Speaker 2: and so they start dating, they start climbing together. She
Speaker 2: realized she can trust him, so her whole instagram is
Speaker 2: them on cliffs and bridges and all these places and
Speaker 2: they're making out on these peaks of like in the cities.
Speaker 1: They set this up.
Speaker 2: She already had money set aside, so she had her
Speaker 2: legal team ready, like they knew they were gonna get
Speaker 2: in trouble.
Speaker 1: And then people are like, was the engagement planned?
Speaker 2: But then someone saw a story was like, no, that's
Speaker 2: a Russian girl and you could sell her nails weren't
Speaker 2: filled in.
Speaker 1: The bitch didn't know she would have had a fresh set.
Speaker 2: But then I saw a video from not this climb,
Speaker 2: but a different climb, and it's all in Russian, and
Speaker 2: it's just like her being like.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, they're so hot. Yeah. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: the thing that's ever happened.
Speaker 2: And so so there's like another peak and there's a
Speaker 2: video and it's all in Russian, but it's her being like,
Speaker 2: these pictures look like shit, why the fuck did we
Speaker 2: climb up here if you're not even gonna take one
Speaker 2: good picture, not one good frame. And he's like, you're
Speaker 2: gonna lose your strength. We have to climb back down,
Speaker 2: like stop it, these photos are fine, and she goes,
Speaker 2: they're not okay, and we need to take more photos.
Speaker 2: So they're like on a click on a tip of
Speaker 2: a building, fighting about the quality of the photos he's taken,
Speaker 2: and it really warmed my heart.
Speaker 3: Like, okay, wait, so I'm looking at her Instagram four
Speaker 3: million followers, insane.
Speaker 2: But it was one million. Now it's for us. She's
Speaker 2: gained a few.
Speaker 3: All you have to do is climb the empire, stabolding
Speaker 3: and get engaged and you can really pop off your following.
Speaker 3: But they have a Netflix yeah, coming literally this week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're geniuses, I think.
Speaker 2: So this was basically promo for the Netflix too, because
Speaker 2: I'll be watching Skywalker's a Love Story Netflix to line nineteen.
Speaker 2: This is not a paid advertisement.
Speaker 1: We're just interested.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, oh my god. It's like I'm not
Speaker 3: even scared of heights, but just watching them do this
Speaker 3: is like whoa you know, yeah, like no, no.
Speaker 1: They feel really casual.
Speaker 2: They feel really like comfortable up in the skies.
Speaker 3: And what's gonna happen. They're gonna end up getting like
Speaker 3: a fine right, They're not like gonna go to jails.
Speaker 2: Well they have like eight charges, Like so I'm not sure,
Speaker 2: but I mean, well, you know, we'll follow the case.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 3: I also saw the clip of Peter Herman being on
Speaker 3: Yah like proposing to her in her show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's part of the audience.
Speaker 2: There's like a few scenes where I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: the audience participation makes sense, Like I love it, Okay,
Speaker 2: I get it. And then but like the shouting, like
Speaker 2: I just think, yeah, I just really feel like it
Speaker 2: took me out and I don't really like it. I
Speaker 2: bought a magnet. I was thrilled to see her. I
Speaker 2: had a great time. It was awesome.
Speaker 3: And it's like, if you actually do like mrcarcite and
Speaker 3: you respect her, you know that she's a Broadway Stan
Speaker 3: loves Broadway.
Speaker 1: This is her Broadway debut.
Speaker 3: She doesn't need you to scream out about her real
Speaker 3: life celebrity during her Broadway show, like that's it's just
Speaker 3: so rude. I don't know, everybody thinks they're so funny
Speaker 3: and clever.
Speaker 2: Oh, and goes, that's narcissism, and I got yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: to scream out in a Broadway show, you are out
Speaker 2: of your mind. But that's what happens when you have
Speaker 2: the whole audience hollering mm hmm. You know it's it
Speaker 2: makes no sense, It makes no sense.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I hope everybody had a nice fourth
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Speaker 2: Okay, today we're doing Starstruck victims.
Speaker 1: There's a young girl.
Speaker 2: She's in an orange mini skirt and then she has
Speaker 2: like a fur feather vibe cropped coat as she's in
Speaker 2: the r waiting room and she is annoyed. She's taping
Speaker 2: everything on her phone and she's like vlogging and I
Speaker 2: thought like was kind of a weird, out of touch word,
Speaker 2: but she uses it later and she's a twenty sixteen
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, like now you would just be an influencer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we would never save flagging.
Speaker 2: But she's been there for two hours and says that
Speaker 2: she had an officer assigned to her, but she's flirting
Speaker 2: with another uniform person at the desk, and so the
Speaker 2: cops are flirting, so too busy, and then she's waiting
Speaker 2: for a sexual assault nurse to be free, and everything
Speaker 2: hurts and she can't ingest anything for the test. You know,
Speaker 2: they want everything they can get, but she keeps gagging
Speaker 2: because she's so grossed out at like the taste of
Speaker 2: this person for hours. So then Jen comes in and
Speaker 2: she's the nurse, and you know, our girl is secretly
Speaker 2: recording everything. They go to a private room and Jen
Speaker 2: clocks the phone and she's like, you can't record anything.
Speaker 2: It's hospital policy. And she goes seriously and it's like,
Speaker 2: you can't record your own care. That's so fucked up,
Speaker 2: and it's obviously for lawsuits and hospital stuff. Like I
Speaker 2: understand why you don't want that, but like that's a policy.
Speaker 2: I think that's crazy. I think it's crazy that you
Speaker 2: can't like videotape directions or your experience at the hospital.
Speaker 2: I don't get it, especially if you're in a room
Speaker 2: on your own, like you're in a private room.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really don't get it. So she picks the
Speaker 1: phone back up.
Speaker 2: When the exam is done, though, and the detectives walk
Speaker 2: in and she leans her phone on a bottle of
Speaker 2: rubbing alcohol horizontally to record, and so it's Rollin's and creasy.
Speaker 2: She starts crying and she says that she was raped
Speaker 2: in a nightclub restroom, and then she's like, oh, I
Speaker 2: have a photo of him on my phone. And when
Speaker 2: she goes to grab the phone, Crisey's like, whoao are
Speaker 2: you recording this? And she's like, yeah, I'm a vlogger
Speaker 2: and she says, my followers want to know everything, and
Speaker 2: she's looking at him like he's so stupid, and they
Speaker 2: freeze and somber music starts playing, and when she points
Speaker 2: the camera at them and she goes, what are your names?
Speaker 2: And then it's the credits, So now it's Benson and
Speaker 2: well not in episode two, but these credits. I think
Speaker 2: it's like her sexiest hair. It's a lob straight down
Speaker 2: the middle part. It's just it's giving everything I want.
Speaker 2: And Gallagher aka Eyebrows aka Daddy Dodds is holding the
Speaker 2: New York Ledger aka the New York Post of the
Speaker 2: Suvu universe, and it's Hank Abraham's face.
Speaker 1: If you can remember, he was not Chief of D's,
Speaker 1: but he.
Speaker 2: Was like high up and he was a pedophile and
Speaker 2: was married to Pippacocks, and the headline says, so long
Speaker 2: Hank and Daddy Dodds goes, well, he was never one
Speaker 2: of us. He was a political appointee. And it's like,
Speaker 2: aren't you like and you like placed your son somewhere
Speaker 2: like you're playing little games too. But he slams the
Speaker 2: paper down on Benson's desk and says, well, nobody's losing
Speaker 2: sleep over him, and Benson goes, well, we sure did.
Speaker 2: Like hip is Yeah, it's like they broke the fucking case.
Speaker 2: She says she has never met anybody, so I hate
Speaker 2: this word. It's really hard for me. Compart to mentalize,
Speaker 2: compart mentalized. He is, so, it's like not natural. These
Speaker 2: are not natural letters put together.
Speaker 1: I would say I.
Speaker 3: Break it up into compart and mentalized, compartmentalized, compartmentalized.
Speaker 2: That was a really good little tip, m compartmentalized. Okay,
Speaker 2: look at that. So then DoD says, hey, anything to
Speaker 2: get through the day, I just can't. And then he goes, so, anyways,
Speaker 2: my son, he told his dad that he's learned a
Speaker 2: lot under her, and she goes, yeah, I mean he
Speaker 2: works hard, he's a good cop and he takes that
Speaker 2: and goes, well, so you agree it's time for him
Speaker 2: to take a more high profile role and she goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: he mentions joint terrorism, like he mentioned it, and he goes, well, listen,
Speaker 2: I'm asking when the time comes, give him a good recommendation.
Speaker 2: And she gets up and goes, you don't even have
Speaker 2: to ask about this chief. And it's also like she's
Speaker 2: the chief of son. Yeah, Like obviously having your immediate
Speaker 2: boss recue is great, but it's like, stop pretending you
Speaker 2: didn't just assign your son somewhere and you're gonna try
Speaker 2: to assign him somewhere else.
Speaker 1: But he does die, so that sucks. But like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: He's like going through the motions of like so that
Speaker 3: it looks good. It looks like he didn't just get placed, right,
Speaker 3: He's got a glowing recommendation from Benson whatever you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yea yeah, a person he barely acts like he respects.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we pan over to Rollin.
Speaker 2: She's at her desk and she's watching the club footage
Speaker 2: on a laptop. DoD's in creasy flank her standing and
Speaker 2: Daddy goes to touch his son to chap. They look
Speaker 2: at the screen and Daddy's like, wait, hold up, that's
Speaker 2: the TV actor and they're like, yeah, she was assaulted
Speaker 2: at his club last night, Bobby Dee's hide Away.
Speaker 1: I do wonder what this is based on. And I
Speaker 1: know you're going to go through the crimes.
Speaker 2: And I don't think Bradley Cooper's new Philly cheese stick
Speaker 2: spot in the East Village is newer, but it has
Speaker 2: like a silly name.
Speaker 1: Like this, let me look at Bradley Cooper. Like even
Speaker 1: when justin Timberlake had a restaurant.
Speaker 2: Like look, how close it's Danny and Coop's Cheese Steaks. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and a friend brought them over and they were good.
Speaker 2: It was good, Like people like it.
Speaker 1: Oh, I was.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised it has the name in it. It's just
Speaker 2: calling it Bobby D's Hideaway.
Speaker 3: It's like people don't usually name the place after themselves.
Speaker 1: No, they usually do people they do a nightclub. Oh no,
Speaker 1: you're right, you know. I feel like you'd be like.
Speaker 3: Oh, like Susan Sarandon has this club called Spin or whatever,
Speaker 3: you know, like a.
Speaker 1: Ping pong club.
Speaker 2: But that was just like something, you know, like you
Speaker 2: wouldn't be like, I don't know, it's just but Coop's
Speaker 2: chicken is that's fun? I mean, sure, you invented the
Speaker 2: chicken what? Oh wait, what did you say? Oh, Philly
Speaker 2: cheese stakes? Sorry, I think because of Coop. No, I
Speaker 2: think he's what is bread the Coops. So I don't
Speaker 2: know who Danny is, but he's Coops.
Speaker 1: He's Coops, all.
Speaker 2: Right, Bobby these hideaway. Okay, Daddy is confused and I
Speaker 2: have to stop calling him that. So Daddy Dodds is
Speaker 2: confused that she recorded it, and they go, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: like from the start of her night, and but he
Speaker 2: is not who she even accused. She accused the bar manager,
Speaker 2: Noel Panko, and he followed her into the bathroom and
Speaker 2: raped and sodomized her. And then Daddy Dodds is like, okay,
Speaker 2: I'll holler at Bobby and see what he has to
Speaker 2: say about it. Careasey spins around fast like crossed arms,
Speaker 2: hair is so gelled. He goes, you know, Bobby Demico,
Speaker 2: he's a friend of the department, Daddy dodd says, and
Speaker 2: then Bobby Dodds, Baby Dods, I mean, I mean I
Speaker 2: cannot keep up, like okay, Baby Dodds, Andy Carl adds, well,
Speaker 2: he bought us a bunch of Nobu dinners while he
Speaker 2: was getting ready for a cop roll.
Speaker 1: I want to eat Nobu so bad. So he goes, Listen,
Speaker 1: Bobby is good.
Speaker 2: He's always on the podium for the widow and sad
Speaker 2: kid charities and Ben because that's yeah, whatever, anyone that
Speaker 2: donates to police, we have to assume they are guilty
Speaker 2: of a crime, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I guess I sort of thought when
Speaker 3: he said the widows and kids that he was talking
Speaker 3: about nine to eleven victims.
Speaker 1: But you know that I always have nine to eleven
Speaker 1: on the brain. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I think it's like if your cop but partner
Speaker 2: is murdered, yes, and if yeah, and the family should
Speaker 2: be taken care of.
Speaker 1: For sure. I'm not, but you're correct.
Speaker 2: Like, if you're a guy that's constantly on a podium
Speaker 2: and a cop cops the cops, you're you need them
Speaker 2: for something?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Benson goes, could we hold off on calling him please? Like,
Speaker 2: would like to do an investigation before you call in
Speaker 2: your buddy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he just goes, listen.
Speaker 2: You know, I just people with celebs they see an
Speaker 2: easy payday, Like, what is what is so easy? About
Speaker 2: these pay days. That's what I'd like to know. It
Speaker 2: seems pretty hard because it seems like, yeah, so the
Speaker 2: whole squad is done, and Baby Dodds is definitely like, ugh, dad,
Speaker 2: stop embarrassing me in front of all of my new friends.
Speaker 2: And then Benson turns to her team and goes okay, wow,
Speaker 2: but only with her face. And then Karsi's like, well
Speaker 2: that was subtle, and Baby Dodds goes, listen, I am
Speaker 2: not a fan of Bobby Demiico.
Speaker 1: Just so you all know. Now, we see that Christy
Speaker 1: was at a bar with a friend.
Speaker 2: She didn't disclose to her friend because she didn't want
Speaker 2: to ruin her friend's birthday.
Speaker 1: Like they're young though, But.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I still feel like i'd be like, hey,
Speaker 2: i'm not feeling good, I'm gonna head home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know she is party.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not blaming. I'm not victim blaming. I'm
Speaker 1: just knowing.
Speaker 2: No, it's just it's really nice to think of your
Speaker 2: friend's birthday, but it's going to be used against you
Speaker 2: in the court of lobby. Unfortunately, you can't smile after,
Speaker 2: you can't be a good friend. They're gonna use it
Speaker 2: against you cannot have fun ever again that you can't drink.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I do hear about people getting
Speaker 2: acts out of weddings for less. You left my birthday
Speaker 2: after you've got assaulted, You bitch, you're out? Yeah right,
Speaker 2: So but you know, they go, let's go talk to
Speaker 2: the friends. See what she saw. So they go to
Speaker 2: a pet store called Furry Rascals Lol. Obsessed, she's shocked
Speaker 2: to hear about the rape. She was there till after three.
Speaker 2: She put her friend in a cab. They're like, okay,
Speaker 2: but what happened before? She's like, we were together the
Speaker 2: whole time. We went out to smoke some SIGs. But
Speaker 2: that wasn't even until after two, and they were playing
Speaker 2: Billy Joel by then. She shocks, you know again about
Speaker 2: the ripe. Okay, so the Billy Joel was playing. They
Speaker 2: were both drunk. She says, no one was creepy. They're
Speaker 2: mostly at the bar with the manager and she's like,
Speaker 2: maybe like he can help. He was super attentive and
Speaker 2: she goes, and if you go to a bar with Christy,
Speaker 2: you never pay for drinks. Even Bobby Demiko was flirting
Speaker 2: with her. Chrissy danced Chris Christy danced with him. They
Speaker 2: made out a little and so now we cut and
Speaker 2: we're in like a revolutionary drag moment and it's jazz
Speaker 2: Man from Sex in the City.
Speaker 1: Hello, a true dream come true.
Speaker 2: And he's also in a season five episode escape We
Speaker 2: love him and there is a knife to a throat
Speaker 2: type situation. Obviously we didn't try and travel. We are
Speaker 2: in the sv universe. We know we're on a set
Speaker 2: and we hear a cut and there's a bunch of
Speaker 2: men in probably fake Canadian Goose or whatever jackets, but
Speaker 2: the logo is there, so I was wondering if svu's
Speaker 2: sprung for the real Jackets or if they're bootlegs. But
Speaker 2: Baby Dodds is there and it seems like a casual
Speaker 2: meetup and super friendly because they do know each other,
Speaker 2: and he's like, wow, this looks good and jaz Man's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just like Napoleon in America. The concept is what
Speaker 2: if Napoleon invaded the US instead of Russia and he
Speaker 2: goes it's called The Resistance on Netflix. And I just
Speaker 2: find this so fucking funny because it seems like they
Speaker 2: would have to take a boat all the way to
Speaker 2: the US, Like, why would they do that? I mean,
Speaker 2: am I being silly? Like Russia is closer to France?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 1: Is that? Or was there more too?
Speaker 3: I just don't know enough about the geography of how
Speaker 3: Napoleon got to France and the history of I mean,
Speaker 3: how Napoleon got to Russia.
Speaker 2: But this show obviously is making fun of something and
Speaker 2: I do love that. And now they're doing a walk
Speaker 2: and talk. He goes, listen, the reason I hit you
Speaker 2: up is because something might have happened at the club
Speaker 2: last night. He goes, really, I was there the whole time.
Speaker 2: And he's like, well about your manager? He goes, I mean,
Speaker 2: I can tell you when the manager lost his virginity.
Speaker 2: That's my boy. We go way back. We're childhood friends.
Speaker 2: And he says, why are you here, Like is this
Speaker 2: about Noel? I stopped playing games. I played a cop
Speaker 2: for ten seasons. Do you not remember the Nobuo dinners? Yes,
Speaker 2: stop fucking with me, And he shows the photo the
Speaker 2: girl and he goes, oh, I know her friend's birthday.
Speaker 2: We got them drinks. Nice to have cute girls at
Speaker 2: the bar. And this guy is how I be like
Speaker 2: clearly asemall and he wants Dodds to tell him what
Speaker 2: she said, and he's like, no, why don't you tell
Speaker 2: me what happened?
Speaker 1: He calls her a freak.
Speaker 2: He says, we danced, we made out, and then we
Speaker 2: made love in the bathroom for three minutes. Calls it consensual,
Speaker 2: but it's like three minutes as psychotic, and then Dodds
Speaker 2: clarifies to just you and he goes, well, first, but
Speaker 2: then Noel came in and she took care of him too,
Speaker 2: and so that's what everyone wants, a three minute Like DP,
Speaker 2: what are we talking about? So then he asked if
Speaker 2: she was fine with that, and he goes, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: very into it. Not her first rodeo, and he's like,
Speaker 2: it's a shakedown.
Speaker 1: It's a shakedown. Baby. Dodds is not into any of this.
Speaker 2: So we're back at work and Benson's like, oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: one big consensual three way in the bathroom and then
Speaker 2: Dodds is like, yep, not shy about it, and Rollins goes,
Speaker 2: they're childhood friends.
Speaker 1: He's gonna have his boys back.
Speaker 2: But like, Bobby's also not a fucking idiot, so like,
Speaker 2: why would he put himself in the bathroom with her?
Speaker 2: If he wasn't there, so like, obviously something happened in
Speaker 2: that little bathroom, and Creasy is being bad boy, bad
Speaker 2: boy and goes, well, she was dancing after so she
Speaker 2: claims she was assaulted. Why was she dancing? So then
Speaker 2: obviously the women at the office were like, excuse me,
Speaker 2: like we all know post assault behavior varies. And then
Speaker 2: Benson adds like, even if she did fuck actor boy
Speaker 2: and the other guy could have still a celt at her,
Speaker 2: like hello, And then in the meantime, Christian like, let's
Speaker 2: bring Christian and let her tell us what else she
Speaker 2: didn't tell us. That makes sense, right, Okay, So then
Speaker 2: the manager is so short, and I don't you know,
Speaker 2: it's fine, short people exist, but like he is really
Speaker 2: a tiny man in this. I don't think we've seen
Speaker 2: a shorter man caring. You didn't clock this, you didn't
Speaker 2: clock I didn't clock the shortness. He seemed shorter. I
Speaker 2: think also because Craig Birco is tall, he seems not
Speaker 2: even here. We're with the detectives, we're with the rives,
Speaker 2: and he's moving the boxes. He's moving them up and
Speaker 2: the boxes are taking up half his body, and the
Speaker 2: Dods and Benson are following him and they have to
Speaker 2: take really tiny steps and then he's like, Bobby called me,
Speaker 2: what the fuck is up? That girl sucks? And Dodd's
Speaker 2: playing in them like, I know, you know, whatever she is,
Speaker 2: she does suck. I'm sure she's just mad you didn't
Speaker 2: send flowers, but she did go to the er, and
Speaker 2: Benson's acting done, like how do you think she could
Speaker 2: have gotten hur and he's like, I don't know, but
Speaker 2: you got three people in a small child bathroom while
Speaker 2: things happen, and they're like, so she was into it
Speaker 2: and he says yes, and then he calls Bobby catnip
Speaker 2: for the ladies and then they're like, okay, well, like
Speaker 2: we're talking about you, what are the girls doing for you?
Speaker 2: And he's like, I get my fair share of the runoffs,
Speaker 2: which is like so pukeworthy, Like can you imagine that
Speaker 2: being like your dating life or your goals is just
Speaker 2: like I'll get the runoffs of my friend. I mean
Speaker 2: it's worse. They're obviously rapists, but it's just like crazy to.
Speaker 1: Resign to that.
Speaker 2: They're like, we heard you join later and he goes, well,
Speaker 2: I want to look for him, and then saw he
Speaker 2: was busy but she invited me and Benson goes, she
Speaker 2: did very surprised, and she asked, well, what did she
Speaker 2: say exactly? And he starts backtracking, like, oh, maybe Bobby's
Speaker 2: who said it, and like were their cameras? Like why
Speaker 2: don't you just show us the footage? And he goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: take all the cameras you want. So he says she
Speaker 2: was twerking to last call. So then we see footage
Speaker 2: of the makeout and it's on a laptop. Now Chrisy
Speaker 2: is showing Christian woodroom blinds the makeout.
Speaker 1: She resigns and goes, ugh, we made out.
Speaker 2: I didn't want you to think I was a slut,
Speaker 2: and Rollins tells her she needs to be honest with them,
Speaker 2: and she's like, it was just oral with Bobby. Then
Speaker 2: Noel came in and he like knew we were in there,
Speaker 2: like he knew, and she was not okay with it,
Speaker 2: and Bobby's like, can he join? And she goes no,
Speaker 2: and he started to guilt her and going look at
Speaker 2: those puppy dog eyes.
Speaker 1: You hurt his feelings.
Speaker 2: And then spy window is Daddy Dodds, Benson and Barbara,
Speaker 2: and Barba says, oh, that's way too cheesy for her
Speaker 2: to have made up. And then Daddy Dodds is like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck, Like I don't know, like this girl
Speaker 2: has no grip on reality, and Benson's goes shut the
Speaker 2: fuck up, and so then Christy says she was drunk
Speaker 2: and Bobby was gone when the door opened, and the
Speaker 2: little guy stayed and she was rinsing her face and
Speaker 2: he shoved her face into the sink and raped her
Speaker 2: from behind. And the problem is, ten minutes later, she
Speaker 2: was dancing like nothing happened. So that's obviously like doesn't
Speaker 2: look good to like regular brain to people who don't
Speaker 2: get this. So then she sighs like I told you
Speaker 2: it was her birthday and I didn't want to bum
Speaker 2: her out.
Speaker 1: No rape me, I swear to God.
Speaker 2: And then it's knock knock, knock on the glass Rollin's
Speaker 2: and Creasy Leave Rollin says, I know it looks bad,
Speaker 2: and Daddy calls her a train wreck. It's like they
Speaker 2: all treat her like such a mess this whole episode.
Speaker 2: But she doesn't even seem that crazy to me. No,
Speaker 2: I mean, she sat pretty in the er for hours
Speaker 2: and I don't know if that's like where she's sobered up,
Speaker 2: but she seems pretty with it, Like, I don't see
Speaker 2: the craziness. Why would she do a rape kit like
Speaker 2: and to do a shakedown also against the actor when
Speaker 2: it's two of them, when it's your your word against
Speaker 2: two guys, Like, that's not really how you would do it,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But we'll see in the in in one of the
Speaker 1: regular cases.
Speaker 3: Also, this actress is named Vivian Cardone and she was
Speaker 3: in eighty nine episodes of Everwood.
Speaker 1: Is that a show you ever heard?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: It's got to like Treat Williams and Emily Van Camp
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: I feel like it was CW. Right, Yes, yeah, I
Speaker 2: think so. It was like a CW and Chris.
Speaker 1: Not to be confused with Deadwood.
Speaker 2: Yes, Everwood very different from We did go on Father's Day,
Speaker 2: by the way to the real dead Wood, no stop. Yes,
Speaker 2: my kids did this thing where they had to find
Speaker 2: twenty five pictures of wild Bill Hiccock all over the town.
Speaker 2: And we just walked around the town and my kids
Speaker 2: were looking for pictures of wild Bill Hiccock so they
Speaker 2: could get a bag of chocolate. It was so stupid
Speaker 2: and funny. Chris Pratt was on this show for a
Speaker 2: guy who played the nflct uh Tree Williams.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Scott Wolfe, Sarah Drew. We got lots of
Speaker 3: SVU alums here too.
Speaker 2: Sarah Drew is the girl from the drunk episode responsible anyway.
Speaker 2: Ever would, Ever would for anybody that's interested this girl
Speaker 2: from everyone. I don't know if she acts that much anymore,
Speaker 2: but Ever would. And Benson, that you know, is like, listen,
Speaker 2: I know she's not the most credible victim, but something
Speaker 2: definitely happened to her, and Barba says, probably a lot
Speaker 2: of things, but I have to focus on court and
Speaker 2: she's a fucking liar and they cut him off.
Speaker 1: None of that means she wasn't raped.
Speaker 2: And Dodds keeps being annoying as well, and they say
Speaker 2: we've taken you know. They're like, we've taken tougher cases
Speaker 2: and Barbara goes, okay, but we have to pick our cases,
Speaker 2: and Chriasy says the story is compromised, and baby Dodds
Speaker 2: is like, listen, what about if we find a pattern
Speaker 2: like he must have they must have done this before,
Speaker 2: and so I love him for that, and Barba says,
Speaker 2: that's up to Lieutenant. And then daddy Dodds goes, no,
Speaker 2: it's up to me, and he doesn't want to move
Speaker 2: forward with the case because his little.
Speaker 1: Friend because of this guy.
Speaker 2: Yep, and baby Dodds makes a face like, oh my
Speaker 2: fucking dad. And then Benson tells the girl the bad
Speaker 2: news and she's like, but I was raped, and Benson goes, no,
Speaker 2: I believe you, but like, it's just hard to prove
Speaker 2: beyond a reasonable doubt, and Christy regrets saying anything. At
Speaker 2: the hospital, Benson reminds her that the rape kit stays
Speaker 2: on file and the case stays open, and she calls
Speaker 2: herself stupid. I was so excited to have a big
Speaker 2: start interested in me. And so then now we caught
Speaker 2: to a baby talking to daddy and he hangs up
Speaker 2: and tells the squad that Bobby says he owes us one.
Speaker 1: Why would an innocent person say that? Yeah? Yeah, that
Speaker 1: didn't sit well.
Speaker 2: So Benson goes, oh, great, like and so then Rollins
Speaker 2: is like, fuck this, Okay, the girl's a hot mess,
Speaker 2: but do we really think that she cried rape for attention?
Speaker 2: And Chreasy goes, well, she has a twenty four to
Speaker 2: seven blogger and Rollins has been going through three years.
Speaker 1: Of her posts.
Speaker 2: She's partied with a lot of celebs, like a celeb
Speaker 2: wouldn't like truly spin her out. She posts every single photo.
Speaker 2: She wants people to know she's having fun, and Benson goes, well,
Speaker 2: not anymore. Her newest vlog is going viral. They all
Speaker 2: cried around the computer. She says the NYPD won't help her,
Speaker 2: so she spills all the details. She named checks Olivia Benson.
Speaker 2: She's crying, explaining what happened? Why did I say it
Speaker 2: like that?
Speaker 1: She's crying, that was so Chicago somber music. Wow.
Speaker 2: He calls Daddy Dodd's Bill and I don't think I
Speaker 2: ever realized that was his name. And then he calls
Speaker 2: the girl out of control and how she's throwing his
Speaker 2: name in the garbage, and he says, I got a
Speaker 2: golden globe and I went to Yale. And it's like,
Speaker 2: so does Claar Danes And you don't see her raping?
Speaker 1: Nope? Okay.
Speaker 2: So he's livid and we're a Daddy's office and Baby
Speaker 2: Dads is like, hey, like nobody is denying that it
Speaker 2: started consensual, And the jazz man's eyes open wide and
Speaker 2: the facial hairs on point and then he's like, you're
Speaker 2: actually gonna take this nut job seriously And he's like
Speaker 2: the vlog pissed on you, just like me, and Benson goes, yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: we'll chat with her about it, like our egos are normal,
Speaker 2: Like what the fuck?
Speaker 1: That's like? What it bothers me?
Speaker 2: When CoP's like even when I was threatened with a baton,
Speaker 2: I guess, but it's this thing of like you can't
Speaker 2: even taunt to Cop, Like the whole point is you're
Speaker 2: supposed to better than us, Like the whole point is
Speaker 2: like you're heroes and you're sacrificing everything, but like we
Speaker 2: can't make fun of you. You can't handle a dumb
Speaker 2: bitch yelling at you like I don't freedom of speech? Yeah,
Speaker 2: then you shouldn't be a call, you know, like him
Speaker 2: being like but she talks shit about you, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: like that's fine, that doesn't bother me.
Speaker 1: I'm a professional, I bet so.
Speaker 2: Anyways, somehow we keep our emotions at bay and you
Speaker 2: seem out of your mind. Actually, you know, sir Bobby Demiko,
Speaker 2: Why does Bobby Demico sound so familiar? You have?
Speaker 1: It feels like a very SVU name.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like, you're right, it does, like I
Speaker 2: think there's oh my god.
Speaker 1: It's I'm thinking of Brad Miko.
Speaker 2: He is the doctor that's trying to go on a
Speaker 2: date with Carrie Bradshaw and the Hampton's.
Speaker 1: I think that's what I'm thinking about.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yes, Brad Miko, right, Okay, it's doctor Bradley Migo.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what I'm thinking about.
Speaker 2: Bradley Migo. And Bobby Demico's kind of different. But maybe
Speaker 2: I just think Bobby Demico totally sounds like a character
Speaker 2: on this show, Like we've seen another guy whose name
Speaker 2: was like Billy Demont's like, you know Billy.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I'm like, now I'm sounding yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm back. I'm back.
Speaker 2: Anyways, So we're back at the precinct. She's walking in
Speaker 2: with a new zest in her step. She's like, I
Speaker 2: have one hundred thousand followers. People want to know what happened.
Speaker 2: And they walk into wood room blinds and Carasey's like,
Speaker 2: you should have told us the truth, not the internet,
Speaker 2: and she says, fuck you. You guys have Bobby's back
Speaker 2: and you don't care about me, which fair Rollin's and
Speaker 2: Creasy sit with her and say, this is your last chance.
Speaker 2: You have to tell us exactly what happened. She's like,
Speaker 2: I told you I was giving him or or. She says,
Speaker 2: I was giving him oral when the little guy walked
Speaker 2: in and Bobby asked if he can join, but I
Speaker 2: wasn't into that, and he said, you're gonna hurt his feelings.
Speaker 2: She told him she wanted to go upstairs. He told her,
Speaker 2: you can't leave me like that. You have to finish
Speaker 2: what you started. He pushed her head down till he
Speaker 2: was done. Noel watched, then Bobby left. She walked to
Speaker 2: the sink. Noel pushed in from behind and raped her.
Speaker 2: Now we cut to Baby Dodds and Benson with Bobby
Speaker 2: Demico and he's like, I told you she wanted it,
Speaker 2: and they bring up him leaving with Noel like still
Speaker 2: in there, and he goes, whatever Noel said happened, I'm
Speaker 2: sure she wanted it, and Benson goes, well, how can
Speaker 2: you be sure?
Speaker 1: Like what exactly did she say that made you think?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 1: What are her exact words? And she goes, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Her head was in my lap, and Benson goes excuse me,
Speaker 2: And Daddy Dodds gets up to smooth it over and
Speaker 2: then gives him a clue and goes, maybe you shouldn't
Speaker 2: be talking without your lawyer. I know that was wild.
Speaker 2: You never suggests a lawyer, well, especially like fuck you,
Speaker 2: So whose side are you on?
Speaker 1: Benson gets up from HER's chair.
Speaker 2: She's shocked, like, why the fuck would you tell him
Speaker 2: to lawyer up when he's talking? And he says, well,
Speaker 2: she's making public accusations, and he says he can be.
Speaker 2: You know, he's as much of a victim as she is. Honestly,
Speaker 2: when people like it's like.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: He says it okay, so whatever, he thinks that Bobby
Speaker 2: Demico is the victim of this situation because we know
Speaker 2: that that happens all the time.
Speaker 3: So then Bill and we don't want to ruin this
Speaker 3: innocent young man's life. He's got the future ahead of them.
Speaker 3: So then baby okay.
Speaker 2: So then baby Daddy steps to Baby Dodds steps to
Speaker 2: Daddy Dodds and goes, Okay, what do you think we
Speaker 2: should do now? And he says I already told you
Speaker 2: not to press charges, and Ben's goes, yeah, that's before
Speaker 2: she named another rapist who's like this guy and we
Speaker 2: keep forgetting about it and I'm so fucking annoyed, and
Speaker 2: he goes, let's be real here. The sooner this goes away,
Speaker 2: the better this is for everyone. We are back in
Speaker 2: the woodroom blinds and Creasy is convincing her to put
Speaker 2: the vlog down. She refuses. He wants her to put
Speaker 2: the phone down. She goes, no, people are being supportive,
Speaker 2: and then she goes and look at this. Another accusations
Speaker 2: will you look at that? And so basically like someone
Speaker 2: is writing like this happens to me. I know, I
Speaker 2: know exactly what you're talking about. So they go talk
Speaker 2: to who left that comment, and that's Sarah Brown who
Speaker 2: left the on Chrissy's blog, and she's like, hello, privacy,
Speaker 2: and they're like, do you not read the terms and conditions,
Speaker 2: you dumb bitch. So they're there Chrisye and Rollins are like, hey,
Speaker 2: you sound like you want to help her, and she goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: I just want to let her know, like she's not
Speaker 2: the only one going through this and I get it,
Speaker 2: and she confirms it happened to her. She was going
Speaker 2: down on him. The door opened, it was nol he
Speaker 2: knew they were in there. Bobby asked if he could
Speaker 2: take care of his little friend and she said know,
Speaker 2: and the same line was given, Oh I look at
Speaker 2: those puppy eyes. You hurt his feelings and then Rollins
Speaker 2: gives Cariesy a smug look.
Speaker 1: It is crazy.
Speaker 2: It's like, why don't you just want I mean, you're
Speaker 2: a rapist, Like, why can't you just try to hook
Speaker 2: up with girls who want to hook.
Speaker 4: Up with you?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And every time it's like what you're I think it's
Speaker 2: like they're trying to make it seem like the Bobby
Speaker 2: Dimico could get anything he wants, but he helps his
Speaker 2: buddy out because he just has so many girls around him.
Speaker 2: But also it's power thing, right, It's never about like,
Speaker 2: oh I can't get girls like you're a bartender. You're
Speaker 2: not ugly. I know you said he's very short, but
Speaker 2: he's not. You know, I went on a date with
Speaker 2: a short person last week. I'm not hating on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it just looks very shocking. He's he's as high as
Speaker 2: the sink. I don't even know how hevent this girl
Speaker 2: over to rag her.
Speaker 1: I just think the point of.
Speaker 3: It is that like they like doing this together or
Speaker 3: working together and being like haha, fuck these girls and
Speaker 3: let's just do it like I don't know, be like
Speaker 3: do a power play together.
Speaker 2: And it's like, Bobby, what does this guy have on you?
Speaker 2: Because it seems like these girls willingly want to fuck. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: so Bobby whatever. So again Bobby pushed her head down
Speaker 2: and Pinko raped from behind, is what this girl says.
Speaker 2: So Chrisy goes, why didn't you go to the cops?
Speaker 2: And it's like, are you really asking her that? As
Speaker 2: you're screwing over this victim Christie right now, exactly, why
Speaker 2: don't you go to the cops where we dismiss you
Speaker 2: and call you a stupid crazy bitch and a train
Speaker 2: rack like what the fuck are you even asking crazy?
Speaker 1: And she goes, listen, I was drunk.
Speaker 2: I did accept his invitation to go down there, like
Speaker 2: I didn't think anyone would care about it, and like
Speaker 2: you know in Core, it's and I don't want to
Speaker 2: lose my job. So we find out she's a PA
Speaker 2: on this Netflix series, so now she can't like she
Speaker 2: doesn't want to lose her jobs, so she's really like
Speaker 2: doesn't want to testify or take this any further. So
Speaker 2: now the squad's having a meeting with Barba at the
Speaker 2: precinct and the consistent stories, and Baby Dodds is like,
Speaker 2: I bet they do this every weekend. And Bobby gets,
Speaker 2: you know, like the cute girl the free drinks, and
Speaker 2: then his friend comes in and they're giving Barba the
Speaker 2: fact and this is like whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying these guys don't suck. I'm just saying I still
Speaker 2: can't prosecute, and Benson goes, hold on, wait, there are
Speaker 2: other girls, and Rollins explains that Christy had to turn
Speaker 2: off the comments actually eventually because the love quickly went
Speaker 2: to hate. So none of the victims have called the
Speaker 2: precinct yet. But all of this is just like very complicated,
Speaker 2: and everyone's being annoyed. Everyone's being annoying. So Rollin's is
Speaker 2: working at her desk and he walks by, who's he?
Speaker 2: I don't even know, I'm at Baby Dodds. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: this is making my blood boil. So Rollin's is working
Speaker 2: at the desk and then Baby Dodds walks by and goes,
Speaker 2: don't you have a baby at home? And it's like,
Speaker 2: you're a baby and then she goes, yep, have a
Speaker 2: great nanny, Lucy part two. They cloned her, so then, sorry,
Speaker 2: I got a lot of respect. Must be tough being
Speaker 2: a working mother. And she says, want to know what's
Speaker 2: tough seeing two ass hats getting away with rape? And
Speaker 2: Dodd says, hey, no case is no case and Rollins
Speaker 2: is trying to get some words in and he just
Speaker 2: keeps being like she's crazy, she's mental and unstable. You
Speaker 2: get that right, And she goes, yeah, yeah, you think
Speaker 2: I have a blind spot because of my sister, don't you?
Speaker 2: And he's like, no, not at all. And she goes,
Speaker 2: you know what, you know that they're fucking guilty, and
Speaker 2: you know your dad's friend is also fucking guilty. And
Speaker 2: he starts walking towards her and being like, oh, you
Speaker 2: think I'm a daddy's boy and she goes, oh no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: don't uhuh and he goes, listen, I hate these guys,
Speaker 2: but unless they get caught in the act, they're gonna
Speaker 2: keep doing it and getting away with it. And Rollins
Speaker 2: is like, great, you're just fine with all that, and
Speaker 2: he goes, why don't you clock out and go home?
Speaker 2: And she pours coffee and goes, why don't you stop
Speaker 2: telling me what to do, sergeant, and she slams down
Speaker 2: her laptop in frustration. I would have honestly slapped him
Speaker 2: in the face. So okay, so whatever. So now they
Speaker 2: I guess they've never met Rollin's through this whole time,
Speaker 2: which I didn't clock.
Speaker 1: But she goes to the bar doing what she does best.
Speaker 1: Baby girl.
Speaker 2: She's she's gonna flirt, she's gonna be hot, she's gonna flirt,
Speaker 2: and she's gonna get these guys.
Speaker 1: So she's taking shots with.
Speaker 2: Bobby, telling him how her mama is gonna like flip out,
Speaker 2: and he's like, oh, your mom's here with you, and
Speaker 2: she goes, well, what kind of vacation would that be?
Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, it's a big city. A girl
Speaker 1: can get into trouble.
Speaker 2: And she's acting like super tipsy and gets closer to
Speaker 2: him and goes, boys, when will they learn some girls
Speaker 2: like trouble. There's some hand touching. He makes eyes with Noel.
Speaker 2: They raise their eyebrows at each other. She's hooking up
Speaker 2: with him in the bathroom. She doesn't want it to
Speaker 2: go further. She keeps pulling her skirt down and going,
Speaker 2: you know, it's like just the heavy makeout and she's like,
Speaker 2: I have a boyfriend.
Speaker 1: I have a boyfriend.
Speaker 2: He says, I'll keep the secret, and it's like no
Speaker 2: means no, Like that's another thing, like.
Speaker 1: I actually like to me, I don't think it's just
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure it wasn't an original thing and I
Speaker 2: saw it on Instagram. But when people don't accept no
Speaker 2: right away, it like I kind of get a red alarm.
Speaker 2: Like I like if I say oh, no, thanks, and
Speaker 2: then you ask again, it's like, well, already said no,
Speaker 2: So I don't understand what's happening here. Yeah, I like,
Speaker 2: I don't understand asking again, and that's rape culture and stuff,
Speaker 2: but it's just it.
Speaker 1: Bothers Irwin.
Speaker 2: Someone doesn't want to drink and it's like no I
Speaker 2: don't want Oh well why not?
Speaker 1: Why not?
Speaker 2: Who gives a shit? Why not just shut the fuck
Speaker 2: up and take care of an answer? Like bothers me.
Speaker 2: I was sexing with someone and they asked for something
Speaker 2: and I was like no, and then they asked again
Speaker 2: and I was like, well, this is done and I
Speaker 2: never will talk to you again, Like are you out
Speaker 2: of your mind?
Speaker 5: Ye?
Speaker 1: Like it's just to me. Maybe it's because of the show,
Speaker 1: but like, uh, it really it really clocks.
Speaker 2: Is like if you have to pull your skirt down
Speaker 2: more than once, that's like an issue, I know.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So then Noel comes into and then he locks the door,
Speaker 2: and then he takes off his jacket and gets close
Speaker 2: and starts to kiss Rollin's neck as Bobby holds her
Speaker 2: from behind and she keeps saying no, and then Bobby says,
Speaker 2: this will be a good story to take back home
Speaker 2: with you, and she's like, I want to go back upstairs.
Speaker 2: They will not let her. They're pulling her down. This
Speaker 2: is like a really aggressive scene. They're pulling her down
Speaker 2: to the ground, both of them, and Nola's like, baby,
Speaker 2: isn't this what you came here for. It's like not you,
Speaker 2: not you, Nol. Also though, like I'm so Rollins, like
Speaker 2: what you went there with no backup?
Speaker 3: Like you didn't you just like didn't even have some
Speaker 3: old cop buddy or maybe one of your gambling buddies
Speaker 3: there to like watch your ass, Like you just knew
Speaker 3: you could handle this on your own. Two guys locking
Speaker 3: a door, locking you in a bathroom, like exactly what
Speaker 3: you kind of wanted to happen is happening right? You
Speaker 3: wanted to bust them doing what they're doing, and it's
Speaker 3: just so dumb to not have any backup.
Speaker 2: So she needs him and he goes down fast, and
Speaker 2: then she grabs Bobby and slams his face against the
Speaker 2: wall and says, if you move, I will snap your arm,
Speaker 2: and then Nola's holding his dick on the ground love that.
Speaker 2: He says, sorry if you misunderstood. She says, I didn't
Speaker 2: misunderstand anything. She grabs her coat and leaves, and he
Speaker 2: runs after her and she tells him to stay away.
Speaker 2: Then Baby Dodds is there. He did follow her, and
Speaker 2: Bobby goes, oh, hey, nice to see you, but he
Speaker 2: looks worried, and then he asks if they know each other.
Speaker 2: Amanda says no, and Baby Dodds, I hate him, goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: we do. We work together. So then this guy's eyes
Speaker 2: go huge. You're a cop. She goes, yep, I was
Speaker 2: gonna wait till tomorrow, but you're under arrest for attempted rape.
Speaker 2: And Dodds doesn't want him to be taken down to
Speaker 2: the station. She drags him aside, like what the fuck,
Speaker 2: and they're outside there's sirens going, and like he is
Speaker 2: in the back of a car. But then they're fighting
Speaker 2: outside Dodds and Rawlins and he's like, you can't arrest him,
Speaker 2: and she goes cause your daddy said so. And he's like, well, no,
Speaker 2: you went undercover without authorization, and it's like Benson would
Speaker 2: have like authorized this. Yeah, I don't know why she
Speaker 2: didn't just go through official channels, obviously because of the script,
Speaker 2: but like, I don't know why she Well.
Speaker 3: Maybe she because Benson was told by Dodds like, don't
Speaker 3: keep doing this, so she wouldn't have authored.
Speaker 1: She might not have authorized like an undercover op.
Speaker 2: But the suspect's already lawyered up and because Daddy Dodds
Speaker 2: told him to in that morning, and so Rollin's is stunned.
Speaker 2: So it's like an open investigation. He already has counsel.
Speaker 2: And then like, guess who shows up to the scene
Speaker 2: of a crime. Buchanan, son of a bit, she says,
Speaker 2: and he calls her a honey trap and is like, oh,
Speaker 2: are these what new mothers are wearing these days? She says,
Speaker 2: save it, like you don't know a mom who's kind
Speaker 2: of slutty. Shut up, Buchanan, they have to uncuff him
Speaker 2: and let him out of the police car, and Baby
Speaker 2: Dodds tells Buchanan they're not off the hook yet. And
Speaker 2: now we're watching the taped footage. It's insane, and Barba's like, whoa, wow,
Speaker 2: you used yourself as bait, And so Rollin's goes, well,
Speaker 2: Dodds is the one who said we needed to catch
Speaker 2: him in the act, and so Benson goes, oh, so
Speaker 2: it's his idea, and now I have to talk to
Speaker 2: your fucking dad. And then yeah, so she has two
Speaker 2: cops members that went rogue, and but oh really, but
Speaker 2: Dodds is being like a stand up guy, I guess
Speaker 2: right now, And then Barba says some legal words, very
Speaker 2: very sassy, and creasy starts brainstorming like, okay, they can't
Speaker 2: talk to the cops with counsel, but what if while
Speaker 2: the cops are legally talking to them, they commit a crime.
Speaker 2: And Barbara goes, Okay, that would be fun for like
Speaker 2: a bar exam question, not real life, you fucking idiot.
Speaker 2: So then Daddy Dodds walks in and is like, oh,
Speaker 2: what are we talking about Rollin's antics? Last night Bobby
Speaker 2: called and said that she came on to him him
Speaker 2: and she screams, they try to rape me. Like why
Speaker 2: is coming onto someone or dating someone or thinking someone's
Speaker 2: hot is like an invite to get raped. It's like
Speaker 2: so strange, Like all of the quote unquote reasoning or
Speaker 2: logic that's used to discredit victims just makes no sense. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like you were a slut last year, so you
Speaker 2: must have wanted to be raped.
Speaker 1: Like I don't get that. I just don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it makes no sense to me, And I
Speaker 2: can't believe it's so valid and used in court, right
Speaker 2: right right.
Speaker 3: And then if you are like if it's a woman
Speaker 3: that has like done sexual like yeah, like had a
Speaker 3: threesome or something, then it's like not her first rodeo.
Speaker 3: She loves this stuff. She's open for double pen like whenever.
Speaker 3: You know, it's so weird. So Benson goes, but listen,
Speaker 3: this like looks fucking bad.
Speaker 2: So they start playing the tape and it's like watch
Speaker 2: the tape, motherfucker.
Speaker 1: He barely will watch it.
Speaker 2: And they're gonna try to talk to like more online
Speaker 2: girls and Christy and like see if people will testify
Speaker 2: and make something happen, and like take these guys to court,
Speaker 2: and he's like, make sure Chrissy's phone is off, and
Speaker 2: bar is so mean to her but also hot, but
Speaker 2: he tells her to sit down.
Speaker 1: She listens immediately.
Speaker 2: And she goes, oh, you're the DA who doesn't think
Speaker 2: my case is good enough. Huh. But he is reconsidering
Speaker 2: and he does want to help. She gives Benson attitude
Speaker 2: and Benson's like, I'm on your side. She looks at
Speaker 2: Barbara and says, well, he's not. And he goes, do
Speaker 2: you blame me? What kind of witness do you want
Speaker 2: to be? And she says, I've always told the truth.
Speaker 2: He goes seriously, and the only thing is she didn't
Speaker 2: say she made out with someone. Like again, it's like
Speaker 2: and if it negates it, it's it's so like pervasive,
Speaker 2: this like rape culture vibes like it's so fucking strange.
Speaker 2: She goes, why the fuck did you even bring me
Speaker 2: down here to tell me it's impossible. He's like, no,
Speaker 2: we brought you down here to show you what a
Speaker 2: taste of trial would look like.
Speaker 1: Like it's not everything's gonna be used against you.
Speaker 2: Everything looks bad, like everything, and it's like, well, what
Speaker 2: looks like the rape looks worse, but whatever, so her
Speaker 2: eyes are wet perfectly.
Speaker 1: She's a good actress.
Speaker 2: She goes, I didn't get raped so I could put
Speaker 2: it online, and she says, what those two did to
Speaker 2: me was the worst thing that ever happened to me.
Speaker 2: And I want to look them in the eyes and like,
Speaker 2: I want the jury to see what they did to me.
Speaker 2: Barbara likes that, so he nods it's happening. So now
Speaker 2: we're at a coffee car Benson and Creasy or chatting.
Speaker 2: He orders a Kaiser roll with butter and two coffees.
Speaker 2: I mean he orders that all the time. Oh really,
Speaker 2: I think that's his order.
Speaker 3: I believe that's what he's ordering at the diet at
Speaker 3: the deli. When the whole yuck deli like ugh, fucking
Speaker 3: hostage thing goes down, I feel like I remember because
Speaker 3: I used to eat those in high school, Like we
Speaker 3: used to have them. They would have pre buttered like
Speaker 3: buttered rolls at school that were Kaiser rolls with butter,
Speaker 3: and they were so fucking good.
Speaker 2: And whenever he orders it, I think about high school.
Speaker 2: So I think I think he's.
Speaker 1: Ordered it before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but to me, is it like toasted or not,
Speaker 2: Like I love bread and butter, but it's so much bread.
Speaker 2: It's so fluffy, like without sandwich and meat and stuff,
Speaker 2: Like I get toasted because I'll get toasted bagel with butter,
Speaker 2: like I am not.
Speaker 1: I would get French bread with butter.
Speaker 2: I'd put a hol on butter sourdough like I'm for
Speaker 2: bread and butter.
Speaker 1: Kaiser rolls are just so giant.
Speaker 3: I think when I was in high school they were
Speaker 3: maybe they were scooped out a little bit. They just
Speaker 3: they seemed like flat and they were bread and butter,
Speaker 3: no toasting, and they were so good.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm like really having a craving for
Speaker 1: one right now.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I mean I have like eight lines about
Speaker 2: the bread and butter, like I have to scroll up
Speaker 2: my notes to get back to the storyline. He says,
Speaker 2: Dodd's and rawlins got your message, and she rolls her eyes,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, huh, what was the message?
Speaker 1: Like I didn't, I didn't get the message.
Speaker 2: And she says, listen, DoD's covered for her, but she
Speaker 2: did this all on her own.
Speaker 1: I'm not fucking stupid. I'm swearing a lot.
Speaker 2: I think I'm just like in a hyped up mood,
Speaker 2: and I do apologize if that's something you're not into,
Speaker 2: so sorry listening.
Speaker 1: No one's ever reported that, I don't think.
Speaker 2: And then Benson goes and guess what, she didn't say
Speaker 2: anything about it to me yet, and Crasy's like, well
Speaker 2: she told me, and she's really upset. She goes, oh
Speaker 2: did she she knew you would fucking tell me? And
Speaker 2: Benson goes and I don't like little triangles, so you
Speaker 2: tell her it's talk to me. So now we're in Core.
Speaker 2: We're watching footage. Dodds is chatting with Barbara. But now
Speaker 2: it's Buchanan's turn, and it's Core. It's back and forth,
Speaker 2: you know what's up. It's like, nothing's too crazy. It's
Speaker 2: like your girl's a liar. She's not credible, you know.
Speaker 2: And then the two guys are sharing a lawyer. Obviously
Speaker 2: they're like raping together, but it's not always too smart.
Speaker 2: And then Buchanan turns to the jurying and like does
Speaker 2: jazz hands and goes, oh, I can't wait to see
Speaker 2: what stories she tells on the stand. Barbara objects and
Speaker 2: he's like, Judge, can you remind counsel that sarcasm is
Speaker 2: the weapon of the week, and she tells it's.
Speaker 1: Like such nerdy, like insult.
Speaker 2: She tells both men to chill out and like sustains
Speaker 2: the objection.
Speaker 1: So now the girl's on the stand.
Speaker 2: She explains what happens, but now it's Buchanan's turn, so
Speaker 2: that sucks. And again with the sarcasm, he goes, wait,
Speaker 2: you lie to the cops because you thought the rape
Speaker 2: was your fault. It's like that happens off it, yes,
Speaker 2: And it's like, yeah, hello, rape culture and you perpetuated
Speaker 2: all the time you can And judge is like, get
Speaker 2: to business, and he pulls up her website and it's
Speaker 2: like partying and fun with friends and he's like so
Speaker 2: and it's like, what's again, prom He keeps showing photos
Speaker 2: from earlier in the night, being like you were having fun,
Speaker 2: you were having fun, and she goes, well, yeah, I
Speaker 2: didn't know I was about to be raped. And then
Speaker 2: he brings up vlogs to poke holes and Barba stands
Speaker 2: up and it's like, okay, we already know she's inconsistent
Speaker 2: and lied to the cops.
Speaker 1: Can you leave her alone?
Speaker 2: And the judge You're like, no, I'm gonna allow this,
Speaker 2: and so He claims that she's doing this all for views,
Speaker 2: and he wants to prove the motive. She went from
Speaker 2: eight hundred views to nineteen thousand, cry rape and your
Speaker 2: numbers go up, and she's about to speak, but he
Speaker 2: cuts in and then shows the other video where she
Speaker 2: names names and that has four hundred and eleven thousand
Speaker 2: plus LIGs, and so he goes, it's pay by click, right,
Speaker 2: and she goes, no way, that's not why I did it.
Speaker 2: She wanted people to know what happened to her, and
Speaker 2: she wanted to leave it up, even if the cops
Speaker 2: asked her to take it down. And she's like getting
Speaker 2: super upset, and he repeats the same stuff about Nat
Speaker 2: naming Bobby right, and Barbara again has to be like,
Speaker 2: you're badgering, and the judge goes, yeah, Buchan, and move
Speaker 2: it along. So then, of course we knew it was
Speaker 2: gonna be brought up that she kept having fun at
Speaker 2: the bar, and he scoffs at this, and she says
Speaker 2: the same thing about not wanting to upset her friend,
Speaker 2: and he's like, look, you're dancing, you're drinking, and this
Speaker 2: is when you knew you were raped or did you
Speaker 2: know you had another fun story for your blog. Barbara objects,
Speaker 2: Buchanan withdraws, but it's like, go fuck yourself.
Speaker 1: So then you were having fun upstairs.
Speaker 2: You're having fun in the hallway, the dance floor, and
Speaker 2: the only time you claim you weren't having fun is
Speaker 2: that ten minute gap when there wasn't recording.
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, yeah, they knew where to rape her.
Speaker 2: That's where the rape happened, and honestly proves the rape
Speaker 2: if anything. So she's crying and it's like, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: their bar why would they rape in an open place?
Speaker 2: So she's openly weeping. Barbara looks pissed, Buchanan looks smug,
Speaker 2: Rollin's and Benson look frustrated. And now we have another
Speaker 2: rain walk and talk up the court stairs. Umbrellas are
Speaker 2: out Barbara and Benson, and she says, damn, that was brutal,
Speaker 2: and he's as well. She wanted her day in court.
Speaker 2: And now it's time for the men to go up.
Speaker 2: Barbara says, you know, to know them is to loathe them.
Speaker 2: He was up all night prepping and like he's about
Speaker 2: to get them, but he's like, I'm going to trick
Speaker 2: them into getting the judge to let me use Rollin's
Speaker 2: video to impeach them. They don't know it yet, but
Speaker 2: it's their last dance, he says. So now we're back
Speaker 2: in court and Buchanan has two witnesses and it's just
Speaker 2: the two guys, but he's like, actually, I don't want
Speaker 2: to bring them up.
Speaker 1: The prosecution failed.
Speaker 2: He goes, there's a lot of reasonable doubts and the
Speaker 2: defense isn't going to call any witnesses at all, And
Speaker 2: he's like, I feel chilling leaving it in the jury's hands.
Speaker 2: So he can't call them because you know, you can't
Speaker 2: force someone to like incriminate themselves.
Speaker 1: Like I didn't know that this could happen. So if the.
Speaker 2: Defense is like if they don't want to testify, they don't,
Speaker 2: and then Barbara.
Speaker 1: Can't get at that.
Speaker 3: I don't even know how Barbara was going to trick
Speaker 3: them into letting the video in, Like if the video
Speaker 3: is not allowed, like the video seems pretty like an
Speaker 3: un sanctioned cop undercover. Like op, yes, the video it
Speaker 3: was bad, but like I don't know how that would
Speaker 3: be let in at any moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, so.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know how he's going to trick them,
Speaker 3: maybe like bringing it up, but you can't. It's not
Speaker 3: dumb like he would object. I don't know, I don't
Speaker 3: really understand. I don't understand this part really, So Barbara's
Speaker 3: panics outside the courtroom creasy because this, to me, is
Speaker 3: the only reason they would have even brought this to trial.
Speaker 3: Nothing has changed about this from the beginning when they
Speaker 3: said we will not prosecute. The only thing that's happened
Speaker 3: is that another girl came forward who said I cannot
Speaker 3: do it. I can't I will not testify, and then
Speaker 3: the Rawlins thing, which can't be used. So what is
Speaker 3: happening now that we are actually in court?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And the only thing the reason.
Speaker 2: I could see Barbara wanting them to go to court
Speaker 2: is he could do this little trick, and then the
Speaker 2: trick can't happen because they don't testify. Yeah, Criesy approaches
Speaker 2: Barbara in the hall and they're like, damn, she's the
Speaker 2: worst victim ever. It's like she's just stopped talking shit
Speaker 2: and we and we know she's not lying because we
Speaker 2: saw what they did to Rollins.
Speaker 1: And Cresey goes, this is worth the fight.
Speaker 2: He says, Hey, just so you also know I took
Speaker 2: the bar last weekend, and Barbara goes, good for you.
Speaker 2: He says, listen, you've been hard on me, but I
Speaker 2: want you to know that if I did pass the bar,
Speaker 2: its because of the time I spent working with you,
Speaker 2: and I admire you. I do love Creesy so much.
Speaker 2: Benson comes out of the elevators, hair a mess, phone
Speaker 2: in hand. She's like, the jury is back already. Creasy's
Speaker 2: like they just sat down, and Barbara goes, I doubt
Speaker 2: they even sat down. That's good writing. That's good writing.
Speaker 2: I love this scene. So now we're back in court.
Speaker 2: Verdicts not guilty. Obviously, she's stunned, but like not, it's
Speaker 2: none of this is surprising.
Speaker 1: Benson's in anguish.
Speaker 2: Barbara is thinking Dodds is upset but also plotting, and
Speaker 2: he watches the two guys walk out. Christy says she's
Speaker 2: a national joke and nobody will ever believe me. Rollin
Speaker 2: stops her and goes, I know exactly what those guys
Speaker 2: did to you, and she goes, well, nobody else whill
Speaker 2: Then bam, it's New York One news Hell. Yeah, an exclusive.
Speaker 2: They're playing the tape with Rollin's I'm fist bumping. I
Speaker 2: know it's silent.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm like.
Speaker 2: So fuck yes the court of public opinion, bitch. And
Speaker 2: that's why it's important to talk shit, spread news, show stuff,
Speaker 2: get online because justice simps is a failure. So the
Speaker 2: reporter is talking about how the judge didn't let the
Speaker 2: video in but they have the exclusive on the tape,
Speaker 2: and then we see Dodd's Careese Rollins watching it. Benson
Speaker 2: walks in and grabs the remote. Cariste goes, wow, talk
Speaker 2: about a waterloo? Did I look up the reference? No?
Speaker 1: Do I know? It's an Abba song? Yeah? And Napoleon reference.
Speaker 1: Oh come on, stop creasy go. I do love that song.
Speaker 1: That is one of ABBA's best songs.
Speaker 2: Carisy goes bye bye Netflix, and Dodds is like, oh,
Speaker 2: we'll see about that, and Chrisey goes, come on, he's toast.
Speaker 2: Benson coldly tells Rollins my office, please, So the battle
Speaker 2: of the amazing hair begins. She says, I swear to
Speaker 2: God live I didn't liak the video. Benson snaps, Oh'm
Speaker 2: supposed to believe you. Now you want undercover without informing me.
Speaker 2: This is another example of you asking for forgiveness instead
Speaker 2: of asking for permission. She starts stuttering to say something back.
Speaker 2: She's like, I'm not asking for forgiveness because I didn't
Speaker 2: do anything. Benson says, please stop as she walks back
Speaker 2: to her desk. She's like, Defense Judge Barba, lots of
Speaker 2: these people had access to that video. Dozens of people
Speaker 2: could have done it. Benson goes, well, we know the
Speaker 2: defense didn't do it, so you're really telling me that
Speaker 2: Barbara did it.
Speaker 1: Is that what you want to say to me?
Speaker 2: And she goes, well, it wasn't me, and Benson goes,
Speaker 2: I thought things would change after you had Jesse, and
Speaker 2: you would think before you acted.
Speaker 1: Rollins is stunned. She's getting bullied all day.
Speaker 2: Benson says, I was trying to get over my trust
Speaker 2: issues with you, and now this. Rollins responds, I swear
Speaker 2: on my baby girl, which on Real Housewives rules means
Speaker 2: you're lying. You never swear on your parents' graves. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she again says it wasn't her. Benson goes, you know what,
Speaker 2: there's going to be a full investigation. They're going to
Speaker 2: go through your phone and computer, and she goes that's fine,
Speaker 2: and then Benson says Buchanan is going to do a lawsuit,
Speaker 2: and Rollins is so puzzled.
Speaker 1: She's like, you think Bobby's going to want to sue? Baby?
Speaker 2: Dodds is a knock knock, knocked door. His tie is loose,
Speaker 2: so I think he's had a day. And then she
Speaker 2: kicks Rollins out of the office to let him. She says,
Speaker 2: we're done here, So then Dods closes the door, and
Speaker 2: she says, Rollin's just stood here and lied to my face,
Speaker 2: and dodd says, well, I believe her because I know
Speaker 2: who did it.
Speaker 1: He says, don't worry. It can't be traced.
Speaker 2: Benson's like, oh my god, she is such a good
Speaker 2: actress here if you want to watch why, She's like
Speaker 2: the fucking best is that forty one forty ish? It's masterclass,
Speaker 2: Like it's so good. She leans in and asks, what
Speaker 2: are you telling me? And he responds he doesn't want
Speaker 2: to put her between him and his father, so she
Speaker 2: needs to stop asking questions.
Speaker 1: She's stunned.
Speaker 2: She leans back and says, okay, Bobby got what he deserved.
Speaker 2: Dodd says and walks out. Told you I never liked
Speaker 2: the guy, he says, and then Benson so many emotions,
Speaker 2: like so like chilling performance my like my yeah, love
Speaker 2: it Dick Wolf, Baby, I have full chills. Baby Dodds,
Speaker 2: I mean they're setting us up to love baby Dodds
Speaker 2: and then we lose him in like eight episodes.
Speaker 1: She's dead.
Speaker 3: So okay, let's go on to the true crime that
Speaker 3: these are based on. Now, one of the true crimes
Speaker 3: this is based on are the rape allegations against Anthony
Speaker 3: Anderson and an universe. Yes, Anthony Anderson is an actor
Speaker 3: who was charged with who Well, first of all, Anthony
Speaker 3: Anderson is an actor.
Speaker 1: We all know.
Speaker 2: He was on an episode of SBU, the episode Fat
Speaker 2: where he worked with he worked with Stabler and his
Speaker 2: name was like Lucius Blaine or something like that, and
Speaker 2: then he but like he went on to be the
Speaker 2: star of Blackish and a regular on Law and Orders
Speaker 2: for three seasons.
Speaker 1: He was on like the last two seasons of Law
Speaker 1: and Order.
Speaker 3: And then he came back to it in twenty twenty
Speaker 3: two when they brought it back. But at this point,
Speaker 3: he is charged with aggravated rape on July twenty eight,
Speaker 3: two thousand and four, after a woman said he assaulted
Speaker 3: her on a movie set in Memphis. Tennessee when he
Speaker 3: was thirty three at the time, So a lot of
Speaker 3: all of the accomplishments that we know him for, we
Speaker 3: don't really know of him at the time of this allegation.
Speaker 3: He was like in the movie Barber Shop. He was
Speaker 3: in Memphis. The movie he was shooting in Memphis was
Speaker 3: called Hustle and Flow.
Speaker 1: We know that movie.
Speaker 2: And he at the time was also in a show
Speaker 2: where the main character is named Anthony Anderson and is
Speaker 2: called All About the Anderson. So it's one of those
Speaker 2: like Drew Carey show type things where it's like a sitcom,
Speaker 2: a fictional sitcom starring the star and he has his
Speaker 2: own name, but it's like not his real life so
Speaker 2: or not fully real life.
Speaker 3: And so he was shooting Hustle and Flow. A guy
Speaker 3: named Wayne Witherspoon, aged forty two, was on the crew
Speaker 3: of Hustle and Flow and was also arrested with Anderson
Speaker 3: in connection to the crime. Apparently I didn't know there
Speaker 3: was an arrest. Yes, So apparently they had been shooting
Speaker 3: at the Shelby County Correctional Center, which is a quote
Speaker 3: unquote work farm for jail inmates, and after production wrapped
Speaker 3: for the day, I guess the alleged assault occurred there
Speaker 3: the victim in a trailer.
Speaker 1: I believe in a trailer.
Speaker 3: The victim was an extra, and she told authorities that
Speaker 3: she was quote unquote lured into a production trailer by
Speaker 3: Witherspoon where Anderson was already waiting, and that that they
Speaker 3: both sexually assaulted her.
Speaker 1: Witness quote witnesses reported, I didn't realize this. Well, listen,
Speaker 1: I okay, okay, sorry sorry.
Speaker 3: Quote Witnesses reported seeing the woman leave the trailer screaming
Speaker 3: and without her clothes end quote. And this was Steve Schuler,
Speaker 3: Shelby County Sheriff's Department public affairs officer.
Speaker 2: This is what he told CNN. The woman was taken
Speaker 2: to a hospital. Anderson's people released a statement saying, he
Speaker 2: quote absolutely denies the heinous charges that have been made
Speaker 2: against him. Anthony is a happily married family man who
Speaker 2: has never been accused of, no less involved in anything
Speaker 2: mutely like this, and we are confident that when all
Speaker 2: the facts come out, he will be completely exonerated.
Speaker 1: End quote.
Speaker 3: So when this woman, this woman then had like a
Speaker 3: deposition interview with a judge, and she actually, in this
Speaker 3: deposition admitted to having sex with both men for several
Speaker 3: days leading up to the attack, but she told the
Speaker 3: judge that those instances were forced as.
Speaker 1: Well, but she never reported them.
Speaker 2: So I don't know why the obviously I know why
Speaker 2: because of like rape culture, but like the literature says
Speaker 2: like she was having sex with these guys, not that
Speaker 2: he was, that they were alleged attacks. Then, the judge
Speaker 2: named Anthony Johnson said that the woman's testimony at a
Speaker 2: preliminary hearing was some of the most quote incredulous he
Speaker 2: had ever heard and did not produce probable cause to
Speaker 2: let the charges stand. He dismissed the charges against both
Speaker 2: men on October six, two thousand and four. And apparently
Speaker 2: also something I read was like she told her boyfriend,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take these guys to the cleaners.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take this actor to the cleaners. I mean,
Speaker 1: at the.
Speaker 3: Time, he's in his own sitcom. It only lasted like
Speaker 3: one season. He's not the biggest guy that you could
Speaker 3: take for a ride. But that's I mean, I think
Speaker 3: a little bit of that is in the episode. Obviously
Speaker 3: looking for a payday, blah blah blah. But then in
Speaker 3: September of two thousand and four, Anderson faced a second
Speaker 3: accusation of sexual assault from a woman who was suing
Speaker 3: him for nine hundred thousand dollars, claiming that he made
Speaker 3: sexually suggestive comments and assaulted her in his dressing room
Speaker 3: on the Doubt set of the wb sitcom All About
Speaker 3: the Andersons in two thousand and three. But at the time,
Speaker 3: Anthony anderson spokesperson said that the first case had made
Speaker 3: him a target and that the second case was all
Speaker 3: about piling on and like trying to get paid.
Speaker 1: So according to this.
Speaker 3: Yahoo article I read, the outcome of that case is unknown,
Speaker 3: so I don't think that she won the nine hundred
Speaker 3: care Maybe she dropped her suit.
Speaker 1: After the first case was dismissed, the charges were.
Speaker 3: Dismissed, and then he was accused again in twenty eighteen,
Speaker 3: but the woman refused to be interviewed after filing the report,
Speaker 3: so the case didn't go anywhere. So so to me,
Speaker 3: that's like a little bit where the beginning where like
Speaker 3: some of it is like the tag team of it,
Speaker 3: like the two friends in the episode.
Speaker 1: But most of the Internet says.
Speaker 3: That this episode is based on Bill Cosby and his
Speaker 3: sexual assault cases and his crimes are so numerous and
Speaker 3: extensive that they have their own Wikipedia page. So rather
Speaker 3: than just being a section of the Bill Cosby Wikipedia page,
Speaker 3: Bill Cosby's sexual assault accusations are their own page on Wikipedia,
Speaker 3: which is saying something and it's a very long entry.
Speaker 3: So I didn't realize this, but there were multiple allegations
Speaker 3: against Bill Cosby going back as far as the nineteen sixties.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize they went back that far, dude.
Speaker 2: I actually just met like an old timey actress yesterday
Speaker 2: night and like did lattens of sitcoms. She was on
Speaker 2: Dallas and like The Love Bow and all these things,
Speaker 2: and we were just asking questions and said the worst
Speaker 2: experience she's ever had on set was with on The
Speaker 2: Cosby Show, and it wasn't like sexual in any way,
Speaker 2: but that he was awful to everyone.
Speaker 1: Obviously the rape is worse, but like this just came
Speaker 1: up yesterday for me. Wow, damn.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, there's a bad guy in there, you know,
Speaker 2: like he's always been that way.
Speaker 1: I mean, this goes back to the sixties. Also, I
Speaker 1: just want to say about the Anthony Anderson one.
Speaker 3: I think it's very possible too that this woman was
Speaker 3: assaulted multiple times by these two men, and just but
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, Like there's this thing about
Speaker 3: seeing her telling her boyfriend she's gonna try to do
Speaker 3: it for the money. But then also people heard her
Speaker 3: screaming and running out of a trailer.
Speaker 1: I mean, she's an extra.
Speaker 3: I don't know how great of an actress she is
Speaker 3: if she's gonna fully run out of a trailer, screaming
Speaker 3: and make up a full story after having consensual sex.
Speaker 3: But you know, so back to Bill Cosby, there are
Speaker 3: multiple allegations going against him, going back as far as
Speaker 3: the sixties, but victims either didn't report or they told reporters,
Speaker 3: and the victims would disclose to these reporters who would
Speaker 3: then never publish the story.
Speaker 1: And these were just like the times, right.
Speaker 3: There was not like a Ronan pharaoh who was going
Speaker 3: to like research your story about the abuse of the powerful.
Speaker 3: And there was no like Olivia Benson to fight for you,
Speaker 3: even though I.
Speaker 1: Know she's not real.
Speaker 3: So like I think a lot of women were just like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: he's a big star and I'm nothing's gonna come with it.
Speaker 3: So then in on February first of two thousand, a
Speaker 3: criminal complaint is filed by Lachelle Covington, who's twenty, alleging
Speaker 3: that days earlier, in January twenty eighth, he tried to
Speaker 3: put her hands down his pants, tried to put his
Speaker 3: hands down her pants, grabbed her breast, exposed himself to
Speaker 3: her at his townhouse in Manhattan.
Speaker 1: Cosby denied it.
Speaker 3: The DA declined to try the case, which I feel
Speaker 3: like is also you know in the episode, they're just like, well,
Speaker 3: we can't make a case. January of two thousand and four,
Speaker 3: Andrea Constand and she's probably the most well known Cosby accuser.
Speaker 3: He accused Cosby of drugging and fondling her, and in
Speaker 3: February of two thousand and five Montgomery County, Pennsylvania, because
Speaker 3: it happened at a home of his in Pennsylvania, the
Speaker 3: Montgomery County DA said insufficient credible and admissible evidence existed
Speaker 3: and so they weren't going to try it. She did
Speaker 3: sue him in civil court and he settled with her,
Speaker 3: and they had a confidentiality agreement that they both signed.
Speaker 1: As part of that civil case.
Speaker 2: I believe in July two thousand and five, Beth Farrier,
Speaker 2: who had testified anonymously in Constance's case, told Philadelphia Daily
Speaker 2: News that Cosby had dosed her coffee and she woke
Speaker 2: up with some of her clothes off in nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 2: So then in two thousand and five, Sean Upshaw Brown,
Speaker 2: who Cosby admitted to having an extra marital affair with
Speaker 2: in the seventies, told the National Inquirer. And again, that's
Speaker 2: not the most reliable publication. But they're very like known
Speaker 2: for like a bat boy. Yes, they're known for, like yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: full bat boy. Not it's full tabloid grocery store aisle.
Speaker 1: I never even see it anymore. I wonder if it's
Speaker 1: still getting published.
Speaker 3: And said that he drugged her and raped her the
Speaker 3: last two times they've been together. So even though they
Speaker 3: had been together having an affair for years, the last
Speaker 3: two times they were together, she says he raped her
Speaker 3: and drugged her. So then June ninth of two thousand
Speaker 3: and six, Robert Huber writes a piece in Philadelphia Magazine
Speaker 3: called Doctor Huxtable and Mister Hyde that detailed Constant's allegations
Speaker 3: the allegations of other people who claim to have been
Speaker 3: drugged and assaulted by Cosby. And it's like It's never like, oh,
Speaker 3: we met at this event and then it happened in
Speaker 3: a car. It's always like they're at his house, he
Speaker 3: gives them something to drink, like, it's always the same
Speaker 3: fucking thing. Right, he's got an m O. Much like
Speaker 3: these guys in this episode. Even though Cosby is working alone.
Speaker 3: As much as far as I can tell, Barbara Bowman,
Speaker 3: what is alone?
Speaker 2: It's like at the end of the day, Daddy Dodds
Speaker 2: was help it, Like, right, who's alone?
Speaker 1: Everyone on that set knew what was up.
Speaker 2: Like if you were a young actress that had a
Speaker 2: guest star, people would be like, don't go alone into
Speaker 2: his room.
Speaker 1: Don't be like everyone fucking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, totally like a badly kept secret. Barbara Bowman
Speaker 2: is featured in this Philadelphia magazine article, and she becomes
Speaker 2: one of his most outspoken because she was She was
Speaker 2: claimed to have been assaulted by Cosby twice in nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty six. She had been an aspiring model slash actress.
Speaker 2: Cosby befriended her when she was young, became her mentor,
Speaker 2: and then as she was she thought. Once she turned eighteen,
Speaker 2: he allegedly drugged and raped her at his home in
Speaker 2: New York and then after he tried to assault her
Speaker 2: again in Atlantic City, she fought him off, after which
Speaker 2: he purposely tanked her career. According to her, that takes
Speaker 2: us up to the mid to teens. Okay, like twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2: He's been assaulting people at this point for like.
Speaker 3: Fifty years, but only about the last ten years. Have
Speaker 3: had a lot of speculation and lawsuits and things like that. Right,
Speaker 3: that's been going on since like the early aughts, So
Speaker 3: there's some publicity around it, but mostly his lawyers.
Speaker 1: As you said, no one's working alone.
Speaker 2: His lawyers are diligently working hard to cover up everything.
Speaker 1: That he's been doing.
Speaker 2: So then in twenty fourteen, enter Hannibal Buris, a comedian
Speaker 2: that I was sitting here being like, I wonder if
Speaker 2: Hannibal is going to be a part of this.
Speaker 1: No, this is a full part of the story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like and I know for a.
Speaker 2: Fact, after this happened, there were some prominent fucking comedians
Speaker 2: that called him to bitch him out for like going
Speaker 2: against the black community.
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, you want to protect this rapist.
Speaker 2: I think that's worse for the black community, but whatever, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know, but he got harassed by some very.
Speaker 1: Famous, very famous comedians.
Speaker 3: But I'm sure, Well, what's crazy is like how these
Speaker 3: things go down because anybody, this stuff's online, like this
Speaker 3: stuff is around.
Speaker 2: It just it happened in like a perfect storm. Well
Speaker 2: and someone paved his set.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, Well he mentions Cosby being a rape
Speaker 3: on stage and his audience acts shocked about it, and
Speaker 3: he tells them google it or whatever. And he'd been
Speaker 3: doing this joke, this bit for like six months, but
Speaker 3: again maybe it had been taped and the reaction had
Speaker 3: never been super huge. But then Philadelphia Magazine posted the
Speaker 3: video of Hannibal set in October of twenty fourteen, and
Speaker 3: that's when it starts to get to go viral. And man,
Speaker 3: Philadelphia Magazine really has it out for Cosby, like they
Speaker 3: are I don't know why, like why Philadelphia of all places,
Speaker 3: but they are into getting Cosby, And media coverage starts
Speaker 3: to pick up, and everybody's questioning, like, how has Cosby
Speaker 3: been able to maintain this squeaky clean image despite all
Speaker 3: of these horrific accusations, which are documented even if they
Speaker 3: haven't been prosecuted, like they're online, you know, And that's
Speaker 3: when a bunch of other victims come forward, like this
Speaker 3: is like Hannibal's thing was just kind of like a catalyst,
Speaker 3: but it really like opened the Pandora's box of like
Speaker 3: all these people coming forward. Among the victims that came
Speaker 3: forward were journalist Joan Tarshis, model Janis Dickinson, actress Luisa Maritz,
Speaker 3: Carla Ferigno, the wife of actor Luferigno, a nurse named
Speaker 3: Teresa Saragnese, playboy playmates named Valentino and Serena Butterfield, the
Speaker 3: model Beverly Johnson who she told her story to Vanity Fair,
Speaker 3: and Cosby actually tried to sue her for defamation over it,
Speaker 3: which is the only time he has ever sued one
Speaker 3: of his accusers who hadn't sued him first, like the
Speaker 3: only time he actually went after someone, and it was
Speaker 3: Beverly Johnson, probably because he thought her word was probably
Speaker 3: more credible, like she's actually a recognizable name and Vanity
Speaker 3: Fair is a respected publication and national and he sued her,
Speaker 3: but then he dropped the suit and said I want
Speaker 3: to focus on my try because at the time he
Speaker 3: had a trial. And then another person who came forward
Speaker 3: was actress Michelle Hurd aka Jeffries from the inaugural season
Speaker 3: of SVU, and I don't think I ever It sounds familiar,
Speaker 3: but I don't know that I ever remember putting it
Speaker 3: together that she was a Cosby victim. She claims that
Speaker 3: when she was a stand in on The Cosby Show
Speaker 3: as a young actor, Cosby invited her to his dressing
Speaker 3: room for acting exercises that involved inappropriate touching of her body.
Speaker 3: He invited her to come to his home to shower.
Speaker 3: She refused, and he told her to never tell anyone
Speaker 3: about the quote unquote acting exercises. So you know, he
Speaker 3: was She did not get drugged and fully assaulted, but
Speaker 3: it was one of his assault, you know, one of
Speaker 3: the tears of his assault she suffered.
Speaker 1: Plus there was an.
Speaker 3: Additional eleven women who made accusations that ranged from nineteen
Speaker 3: sixty five to two thousand and four. So in May
Speaker 3: of twenty fifteen, Lily Bernard claims that Cosby sexually assaulted
Speaker 3: her in the early nineties, and she was interviewed by
Speaker 3: police in Atlantic City, New Jersey, regarding the allegation. And
Speaker 3: because New Jersey has no statute of limitations on rape,
Speaker 3: there was hope of bringing charges against him. For that crime,
Speaker 3: but alas no, probably because there was no evidence left.
Speaker 3: It happened, you know, decades earlier. On July twenty seventh
Speaker 3: of twenty fifteen, I remember this specifically, but New York
Speaker 3: magazine had a cover featuring thirty five women sitting in
Speaker 3: chairs of his There were all his victims, and one
Speaker 3: chair was empty, which was like the suggested chair for
Speaker 3: the victims who had not come forward yet. And the
Speaker 3: article is basically these thirty five women telling their stories
Speaker 3: quote about being assaulted by Bill Cosby and the culture
Speaker 3: that wouldn't listen. Eleven other women declined to be photographed
Speaker 3: and interviewed for the feature. And so many of these
Speaker 3: women's accounts, like I said, are exactly the same. They
Speaker 3: get offered some kind of beverage or drink. Sometimes it's coffee,
Speaker 3: sometimes it's wine. Sometimes they're already drinking, and then he
Speaker 3: offers them another drink and they're assaulted while severely impaired
Speaker 3: or fully unconscious. By October of twenty five, fifteen, nearly
Speaker 3: sixty women had accused Cosby. One Cosby accuser named jul Allison,
Speaker 3: described him as a sociopath and said, quote, we may
Speaker 3: be looking at America's greatest serial rapists that ever got
Speaker 3: away with this for the longest amount of time. He
Speaker 3: got away with it because he was hiding behind the
Speaker 3: image of Cliff Huxtable end quote. And there is I'm
Speaker 3: not going to go through sixty plus victims, but there
Speaker 3: is a full table in this Wikipedia entry about his
Speaker 3: things that quote that has the year that their assault happened,
Speaker 3: the name, the year their assault happened, the year like
Speaker 3: the outcomes everything. So if people are more interested, but
Speaker 3: I'm trying to make this work into the framework of
Speaker 3: our podcast. Also in twenty fifteen, Andrea konstant who I
Speaker 3: mentioned before, one of the most prominent victim of his.
Speaker 3: She had sued Cosby and civil court in two thousand
Speaker 3: and five, as I mentioned, and they had this confidentiality agreement.
Speaker 3: So in twenty fifteen she files to negate the confidentiality
Speaker 3: agreement that she had entered into, and her lawyer argued
Speaker 3: that he abandoned the confidentiality agreement with his denials of
Speaker 3: these allegations about him, So like, if he's talking about
Speaker 3: these like these allegations, why can't I speak up right?
Speaker 3: So a judge rule that releasing the sealed documents was
Speaker 3: justified by Cosby's role as a quote unquote public moralist
Speaker 3: in contrast to his possible criminal private behavior, obsessed with
Speaker 3: this judge, obsessed like this judge is like, well, I mean,
Speaker 3: if you're going to be out there giving lectures on
Speaker 3: how like because I remember talking to black men that
Speaker 3: were like, I hate how he talks to black men
Speaker 3: about how we have to dress and how we have
Speaker 3: to talk and how we have to be when he
Speaker 3: and positioning himself as like a public moralist, as this
Speaker 3: judge says, when he has these allegations this all the.
Speaker 2: Time, because Nate Bergotzi is like this where it's like
Speaker 2: if you open, you have to be clean if you're
Speaker 2: in Nashville, Like you better be a clean comic if
Speaker 2: you want to do anything with nateland right, if you
Speaker 2: want to be on this pot everything. And he's kind
Speaker 2: of created this weird culture and I'm like, well, the
Speaker 2: only other person who's done that is Bill Cosby, So
Speaker 2: that's pretty weird. And it just always bothers me as
Speaker 2: someone that like says whatever I want, like be who
Speaker 2: you are. I talk about this, but like Ryan Hamilton's
Speaker 2: not really like a vulgar guy, So it makes sense
Speaker 2: to me exactly that he's he's just being himself, Like
Speaker 2: that makes sense, Like everyone gets to be themselves, like
Speaker 2: some people are dorky or quiet or like we're all different.
Speaker 2: But to put morality on language or how people speak
Speaker 2: and try to influence the way people speak instead of
Speaker 2: being themselves, like, it's just such a red.
Speaker 1: Flag for me.
Speaker 3: And I'm not accused, Like I would have conversations with
Speaker 3: Ryan Hamilton where I would probably be swearing my face
Speaker 3: off and he was never.
Speaker 1: Like could you not talk like that? Now He's like
Speaker 1: that's just who he is, you know.
Speaker 2: And I'm not accusing a Bragotzi of like decades of rape,
Speaker 2: Like that's not what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But to me, it's just like it's this moralist thing.
Speaker 2: It's just like anyone that puts morality on things that
Speaker 2: don't that don't have it. Yeah, it just And I
Speaker 2: am not a black man, so I don't know that
Speaker 2: cultural impact. I'm just someone that likes to, like I guess,
Speaker 2: talk dirty. Yeah, I don't even know. I don't even
Speaker 2: think it's that crazy what I say. I guess I
Speaker 2: always have like a comb joke in my specials but
Speaker 2: it just bothers me. Yeah, forcing someone saying something's wrong,
Speaker 2: trying to control what people say, you know, and that's
Speaker 2: what rape is.
Speaker 1: It's control. Yeah, it's all in line, but bothers right?
Speaker 2: How fun that Neighborgatzi's been getting like that he went
Speaker 2: to the UFC thing and everyone's been like, what did
Speaker 2: you know?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, I fucking knew.
Speaker 2: I mean and bomb Yeah, I'm just like always ahead
Speaker 2: of it, like I really need to get my ego
Speaker 2: and check because now I just feel like I have
Speaker 2: such a superpower. I'm like every motherfucker that wasn't nice
Speaker 2: to me, or that I hated, or I didn't like
Speaker 2: the way they treated the women in their life, for
Speaker 2: the people around them, or what their material, any of it,
Speaker 2: I'm like you Like, suddenly everyone's like wait what and
Speaker 2: it's like, well, the list is longer, We've got a
Speaker 2: few more to go. I would say, oh yeah, the
Speaker 2: list is pretty long, We've got more, but yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but yeah, Bill, with all of that, I did love
Speaker 2: kids say the darness things.
Speaker 1: It's like, so and I watched the I Love the
Speaker 1: Classy Show.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I used to watch it like when
Speaker 3: I worked at the USA Network. I had a little
Speaker 3: TV in my cubicle and I would watch The Cosby
Speaker 3: Show reruns all day and I was like, I love
Speaker 3: this show. I loved all the actors. I loved the
Speaker 3: chemistry of the family. It was so good, was so
Speaker 3: well written. It's still a great show. It sucks that
Speaker 3: it's it sucks that, like the whole legacy of it
Speaker 3: is tarnished because of this guy and his fucking obsession
Speaker 3: with control and being an actual sociopath.
Speaker 2: Did but you see Taylor Tomlinson and Sophie Buttle, and
Speaker 2: I forgot who else is like on a podcast? You
Speaker 2: saw that? Yeah, it was so interesting. They were like
Speaker 2: all these guys are like, she's annoying, she's mean, and
Speaker 2: it's like your friends and defending rapists like that, he's.
Speaker 1: Coming into my feet and I'm like, I love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like you're more You're more mad and bothered
Speaker 2: by annoying or not friendly women then truly your friends
Speaker 2: that are predators with allegations.
Speaker 1: So, but this is what's very interesting.
Speaker 2: Okay, So some of the files are released by this
Speaker 2: cool judge that I love. They're released unsealed, but the
Speaker 2: transcripts of Cosby depositions were not released, but the Gray
Speaker 2: Lady herself, the New York Times found those babies and
Speaker 2: published them. They got them from like the original deposition
Speaker 2: company or something, because they weren't confidential to them. It's
Speaker 2: like a full like but I think that's a little
Speaker 2: bit maybe in this episode with the releasing of the tape,
Speaker 2: at the end, they release these depositions, and these depositions
Speaker 2: are very interesting because he's just acting like he's a
Speaker 2: playboy and the ladies love him, and he goes quote,
Speaker 2: I think I'm a pretty decent reader of people and
Speaker 2: their emotions in these romantic sexual things, whatever you want
Speaker 2: to call them. It's like, sure, Jan, you can't read
Speaker 2: that somebody that's pass out is not consenting to you,
Speaker 2: Like all right. So then in the deposition, constant's lawyer
Speaker 2: goes quote, I think you're making light of a very
Speaker 2: serious situation end quote, and Cosby replies that may very
Speaker 2: well be like he's acting like not taking seriously. He's
Speaker 2: kind of he's kind of they said, he's sort of
Speaker 2: like flip flopping between like smirking and sort of acting
Speaker 2: like innocent.
Speaker 3: And his lawyers are obviously pissed. And they think that
Speaker 3: Constant and her lawyers organize the release of the of
Speaker 3: these transcripts to the New York Times. And in their
Speaker 3: court filing, which obviously they filed to complain about the
Speaker 3: release of these records, they wrote, quote, reading the media accounts,
Speaker 3: one would conclude that the defendant has admitted to rape.
Speaker 3: And yet the defendant admitted to nothing more than being
Speaker 3: one of the many people who introduced queludes into their
Speaker 3: consensual sex life in the nineteen seventies. So in the deposition,
Speaker 3: Cosby denies any sexual assault of any women, but admits
Speaker 3: he's used sedatives to help gain their co operation to
Speaker 3: like interest, even what the fuck? Yeah, So it's like
Speaker 3: these transcripts kind of are fucking them because he's acting
Speaker 3: like I'm innocent. I just use a little bit of
Speaker 3: Benadrill sometimes like he's so and I think he actually
Speaker 3: maybe yes. And he testified in these depositions that he
Speaker 3: had obtained kuayludes from a guynecologist named Leroy Amar, who
Speaker 3: knew that Cosby had no intention of taking these drugs himself,
Speaker 3: and Cosby instead intended to give them to women who
Speaker 3: he wanted to have sexual relations with, and admitted he
Speaker 3: had given the drug to at least one woman and
Speaker 3: other people. Cosby admitted so, and he admitted knowing it
Speaker 3: was illegal at the time to dispense these drugs to
Speaker 3: other people Quayludes and amar. This doctor later had his
Speaker 3: medical license revoked in California and New York State and
Speaker 3: has since passed away.
Speaker 2: On December, Quaylud's a bad name. I want to do
Speaker 2: kuayludes so bad. When I think of kayludes, I think
Speaker 2: of Cosby, or I think of Samantha.
Speaker 1: The Leudes, you know.
Speaker 3: But on December thirtieth, twenty fifteen, in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 3: again Cosby is charged for the first time with any
Speaker 3: criminal charge, and it's three counts of aggravated in decent
Speaker 3: assault on Andrea Constant during a single incident allegedly that
Speaker 3: occurred at his home in Cheltenham Township on an unspecified
Speaker 3: date between mid January and mid February of.
Speaker 2: Two thousand and four. Like a lot of the cops
Speaker 2: are calling it like.
Speaker 3: The January incident or something, So Cosby makes bail, surrenders
Speaker 3: his passport, et cetera.
Speaker 2: His team immediately tries to get the case dropped. It
Speaker 2: doesn't happen. He faced a fifteen to thirty year term
Speaker 2: in prison, as well as a twenty five thousand dollars fine.
Speaker 2: The trial starts on June fifth of twenty seventeen. It
Speaker 2: ends in a mistrial a couple weeks later, on June seventeenth.
Speaker 2: He was retry the following year in twenty eighteen, and
Speaker 2: was found guilty of three counts of aggravated in decent
Speaker 2: assault on April twenty sixth, and on September twenty fifth,
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, he was sentenced to three to ten years
Speaker 2: in state prison, twenty five thousand dollars fine, and forty
Speaker 2: three thousand dollars cost of the prosecution, which I don't know,
Speaker 2: does that like go to the state?
Speaker 1: I don't really know.
Speaker 3: Cosby appealed that in twenty nineteen. It was upheld, and
Speaker 3: then in June. On June thirtieth of twenty twenty one,
Speaker 3: the Pennsylvania Supreme Court found that Cosby's agreement with the
Speaker 3: previous Montgomery County prosecutor, Bruce Caster, prevented him from being
Speaker 3: charged in the case, and they overturned the conviction.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean remember it being overturned.
Speaker 2: But because Basically they said he already had a agreement
Speaker 2: in this case, like a civil maybe because of the
Speaker 2: lack of being able to prosecute back in two thousand
Speaker 2: and four, like after this incident happened and then what
Speaker 2: eventually led to the civil case.
Speaker 1: I think they're basically.
Speaker 3: Arguing he's already been tried for this and had an
Speaker 3: agreement with this prosecutor, so he shouldn't be able to
Speaker 3: be tried for it again. I don't know, And so
Speaker 3: he's over it's overturned. The Supreme Court's decision prevents him
Speaker 3: from being tried on the same charge as a third time.
Speaker 3: They did try to get the US Supreme Court to
Speaker 3: hear the case, but they denied it.
Speaker 1: And that's final.
Speaker 2: And that's why it's final, and that's why he is
Speaker 2: out of prison and living his life as a freeman,
Speaker 2: although I don't know what kind of a good life
Speaker 2: it is for him.
Speaker 1: I bet if he announced a tour it would sell out.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe, I don't know. He has a bunch of honorary
Speaker 2: degrees that have been rescinded. Disney World took down their
Speaker 2: statue of him. He was expelled from the Academy of
Speaker 2: motion pictures and sciences, like reruns of The Cosby Show
Speaker 2: were canceled.
Speaker 1: He like the NBC had.
Speaker 3: Plans with him for like a reboot of of The
Speaker 3: Cosby Show that obviously they scrapped. There was like and
Speaker 3: I don't know, I mean, and what was interesting was
Speaker 3: like what you were saying, how comics were defending him,
Speaker 3: Like Felicia Rashad really came to his defense. A bunch
Speaker 3: of people were really coming to his defense saying this
Speaker 3: is these are attacks to take down a man's legacy.
Speaker 3: And one person who changed their tune on it was
Speaker 3: who be Goldberg. She originally defended Bill Cosby and then
Speaker 3: was like, you know what, Bill, it's not looking good.
Speaker 3: You either got to I think she was kind of
Speaker 3: like put up or shut up, like say what like
Speaker 3: give some proof that these things didn't happen, because it's
Speaker 3: really not looking good for you. So whoo Bee came
Speaker 3: around on that, And I don't really know what he's
Speaker 3: got planned now. I mean, it feels to me very
Speaker 3: different than like a Luis c. K or like somebody
Speaker 3: who you know, like in terms of decades of incapacity
Speaker 3: and raping them.
Speaker 2: It's like the trauma of an attack or an assault
Speaker 2: or abuse in any way. It's like you can't really
Speaker 2: compare the things because it's like how it affected the
Speaker 2: person involved. So I find it distasteful to kind of
Speaker 2: compare stuff. But yeah, I think taking your dick out
Speaker 2: at work is different than so it's like.
Speaker 1: I'm not comparing it.
Speaker 5: I'm not.
Speaker 2: You said you didn't, But yeah, in terms of like
Speaker 2: if it is, you think he really would be accepted
Speaker 2: if he came back, Like, if he really would be accepted,
Speaker 2: you do?
Speaker 1: I do now? I think oled I think there are
Speaker 1: people that would go.
Speaker 2: Buy the ticket care I mean how I think the
Speaker 2: venues would be president. I know, I know, I know,
Speaker 2: I know, I know he has his own cults. But
Speaker 2: it's like, but he's also white. He's also white. I
Speaker 2: feel like there's a racial issue here where like people
Speaker 2: would not be as willing to accept him back in.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I mean, that's a great point.
Speaker 3: I don't know that we have a line anymore, like
Speaker 3: in this country anyway. I know that the Cosby allegations
Speaker 3: are there's like you know, deep years and years and
Speaker 3: documents and so much. So I was try I kind
Speaker 3: of sort of synthesize the crimes in as quickly a
Speaker 3: manner for podcast consumption as I could. But I mean
Speaker 3: it does feel like I mean, when you look online,
Speaker 3: everybody says, oh, this episode Starstruck Victims is about Cosby.
Speaker 1: It's about Cosby.
Speaker 3: Also, the episode came out in twenty sixteen. All the
Speaker 3: Cosby stuff is going down at this time, so it
Speaker 3: definitely is related to him. But I feel like they
Speaker 3: made it this tag team thing. They didn't use the drugs,
Speaker 3: maybe to avoid like I mean, definitely they say in
Speaker 3: this episode that they wait for girls to get super drunk,
Speaker 3: so they're definitely using an incapacitation, but they're not actually
Speaker 3: drugging them, whereas maybe they didn't want it to seem
Speaker 3: too close because like Cosby is litigious, Like I have
Speaker 3: no idea. Also, Cosby show was on NBC, like I
Speaker 3: don't know, the same network.
Speaker 1: But thank you for doing all that research. It is
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's it's like diff it's different. But there's a
Speaker 2: scene in BoJack horse Men toward the last in one
Speaker 2: of the last five episodes of the series. But because
Speaker 2: you know, there's BoJack's been disgraced in whatever ways. I
Speaker 2: don't want to run the show for anyone, but like
Speaker 2: an exec comes and makes some sign a contract so
Speaker 2: they can edit him out of the show so the
Speaker 2: other people could still get residuals.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, yeah, I was thinking about that, like
Speaker 3: kind of like when I was doing this, I was like, oh, what,
Speaker 3: like what is the legacy of the Cosby Show? Like
Speaker 3: A Nope, there's just gonna people aren't going to see it,
Speaker 3: you know, and like I wonder how that affects, Like
Speaker 3: that doesn't probably affect like Lisa Bonnet very much, but
Speaker 3: like you know, there were other actors on that show
Speaker 3: who were on that for years and years and are
Speaker 3: not probably seeing any money from that anymore. Anyway, we
Speaker 3: have a delightful interview coming up, so don't move a muscle.
Speaker 3: Our guest today thrilled. We've been wanting him since the beginning.
Speaker 3: I will say that we have definitely been wanting him
Speaker 3: since the beginning. He's had a prolific career in TV, film,
Speaker 3: and Broadway. You've seen him in movies like The Long Kiss,
Speaker 3: Good Nights, Cinderellamance, Scary Movie Four. He was also on
Speaker 3: four seasons of Kara and Lisa cult hit show unreal
Speaker 3: and as the famous jazz guy on Sex and the City,
Speaker 3: but you know him today as sexual predator slash TV
Speaker 3: star Bobby Demico. Please enjoy what I thought was an
Speaker 3: amazing chat with Craig Birco.
Speaker 1: Hi, Craig, where goes?
Speaker 4: Oh what a get for you?
Speaker 2: Are?
Speaker 1: You are jazz man in Sex and the City? Is
Speaker 1: that fun?
Speaker 2: Sex in the City to film? Do you have memories?
Speaker 2: Season four is probably a nice deal to book, you know.
Speaker 4: Was it four or three?
Speaker 1: Well, we'll start with your Sex and the City and
Speaker 1: we'll back into lot. Yeah, yeah, sorry, okay, take it easy.
Speaker 5: It was oh god, it was really fun and I
Speaker 5: just yeah, I just spoke with as.
Speaker 4: A Christian, who's the show?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was really fun. And yes, I love going
Speaker 5: back and revisiting this stuff. It's really great.
Speaker 4: That was great. I remember.
Speaker 5: One of the uniquely terrific things, and the typical show
Speaker 5: business story was the very first day right into bed
Speaker 5: like graphic you know, for you know, for what it
Speaker 5: was obviously but not pornographic, but it was, you know,
Speaker 5: rather suggestive, and that's how we started. And it was
Speaker 5: just in for a penny, in for a pound, so
Speaker 5: to speak. Yeah, it was great, and everybody was terrific.
Speaker 4: What a friendly cast.
Speaker 3: You know, but he ends up being sort of like
Speaker 3: the ADHD guy before maybe we had the terminology for it,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 5: Well that's that was amazing because I haven't seen really
Speaker 5: before or Sinse a character sort of handled straight on
Speaker 5: who just says, that's basically what I am.
Speaker 4: And then you kind of watch his behaviors.
Speaker 5: I'm familiar enough with the behavior, let's say, and and thought, certainly,
Speaker 5: I think it's probably the most difficult thing I've ever
Speaker 5: had to memorize.
Speaker 1: Damn.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because there was no life when he starts kicking
Speaker 5: off sparks at the end, nothing's holding one idea to
Speaker 5: the other. And I thought, this is what I sound
Speaker 5: like to other people when I started to go off
Speaker 5: on a tear. Yeah, it was really something, but even
Speaker 5: culture from me from that side of things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but even once she realized your character was nutty,
Speaker 2: She's like, I will have sex with him one more time.
Speaker 1: And I like that.
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 5: I love when shows like that. It's a you know,
Speaker 5: obviously a female centric show. Uh, and then it just
Speaker 5: they make the typical guy choice just a little Yeah.
Speaker 4: They'll do it one more time.
Speaker 5: One more for Gonna get Out and then I'm Gonna
Speaker 5: get out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you were early SVU two.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: This was back during the radio when we were on
Speaker 5: the Filco network.
Speaker 4: It was radio.
Speaker 2: She's in five And I actually was like, why am
Speaker 2: I Why have we not done this episode? It's because
Speaker 2: we didn't think it was based on a true crime,
Speaker 2: but it actually is. I think, so we should do it.
Speaker 2: It's called Escape from season five right episode eleven. And
Speaker 2: you're this deputy marshal named Andy Eckerson, and you have
Speaker 2: a past with Olivia Benson which we love that we
Speaker 2: love when she runs into old flames. Ye, how was that?
Speaker 2: Do you remember? And you also had to work with
Speaker 2: what how do you say it? Fanola Flanagan?
Speaker 1: We like her?
Speaker 4: Yes, Oh my god. She was terrific. Oh yeah, really great.
Speaker 5: Well, I've known Mariska not really really well, but I've
Speaker 5: met her a bunch of times, and I knew her
Speaker 5: as this hysterically funny person. I met her through a
Speaker 5: friend of mine named George Newborn, who you might know him.
Speaker 1: We just viewed him like a month ago. Yeah, terrific.
Speaker 4: Actor.
Speaker 5: Have known him from wet to college together. And I
Speaker 5: met Mariska through him, but I think she was doing
Speaker 5: a sitcom. You never saw this kind of thing coming.
Speaker 5: She was like this funny person that rare breed of.
Speaker 5: I would say she's probably unique in the sense that
Speaker 5: she's a siren in both senses of the word. She's
Speaker 5: a beautiful siren, but she's also louder than.
Speaker 4: An actual siren.
Speaker 1: Ha ha ha.
Speaker 5: Well, I knew her and and I would run in
Speaker 5: from her to time. It run into her from time
Speaker 5: to time, and I was I used to live like
Speaker 5: between near like four than the West Village basically, and
Speaker 5: I'm crossing the street and I hear hey, and it's
Speaker 5: her And she saw me crossing this from the other
Speaker 5: side of where she goes Hey, this huge loud and
Speaker 5: next to her is Peter, her soon to be husband. Huh,
Speaker 5: and he jumps about fifteen feet into the sky.
Speaker 4: She scared the hell out of him.
Speaker 5: He jumps out of his shoesally and all three of
Speaker 5: us that moment happened, and then we just collapsed laughing,
Speaker 5: and she said, can you do the show? That was
Speaker 5: That was how I ended up doing the first episode
Speaker 5: because I want to get you on the show. Can
Speaker 5: you do the show? I was like, I'll do the show.
Speaker 5: But what the funniest part of it was just Peter
Speaker 5: just literally jumping out of his shoes and then coming
Speaker 5: back and and sort of like landing back in his shoes,
Speaker 5: like this.
Speaker 4: Kind of thing probably happened fairly frequently, probably.
Speaker 1: Of New York at this point.
Speaker 4: Yes, yea, anyway, that's how that's how that came about.
Speaker 5: And then I remember the things. I really, I mean,
Speaker 5: I remember sort of what was going on in my life. Okay,
Speaker 5: almost as much as more than I remember the actual episode.
Speaker 4: I have to be I.
Speaker 5: Have to be honest, but I do remember working with
Speaker 5: her and she she gave me some sort of a note.
Speaker 5: It was very carefully done, because that's usually actors don't
Speaker 5: do that. You know, you do you you say something
Speaker 5: to the direct and the director speaks, yeah, that's the
Speaker 5: proper form. But it was a kind of shorthand, and
Speaker 5: we knew each other. She was helping me out, and
Speaker 5: it was I can't remember what it was, but it
Speaker 5: was a minor adjustment. It was an acting thing. This
Speaker 5: was the first procedural I had ever done where I
Speaker 5: was actually playing. I mean, maybe I'd played a bad
Speaker 5: guy in a few of them, but I had never played.
Speaker 4: Like one of the actual procedurers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have a lot of walk and talks.
Speaker 5: In this one lot, there was a lot of walk
Speaker 5: and talk and she said something to me, and I
Speaker 5: remember thinking this, you have to do this, you have
Speaker 5: to commit to this form I think I was doing something.
Speaker 5: It was a little bit more casual, almost like the
Speaker 5: sense of like, Oh, I'm going to come into one
Speaker 5: of these shows and I'm going to play one of
Speaker 5: these parts. I'm going to bring something a little bit
Speaker 5: more casual, you know, just sort of take some of
Speaker 5: those edges off and bring it.
Speaker 4: And it doesn't work.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is a procedure and there is an actual formula,
Speaker 5: and you do sort of come in and you breathe
Speaker 5: humanity into it. But you have to honor the format
Speaker 5: of it as you're there to sort of get there's
Speaker 5: a messy desk. Over the course of the hour, you're
Speaker 5: going to put the desk in order onto the next desk.
Speaker 5: That's basically the procedure of it. If you're going to
Speaker 5: get technical, and that's part of the joy of the show.
Speaker 4: Big mess. These guys are going to clear it up.
Speaker 5: And you're going to guess along the way, and if
Speaker 5: the writing is really good, there's going to be a
Speaker 5: few red herrings and you're gonna have fund and by
Speaker 5: the end, you know, it's all going to get into
Speaker 5: nice and tidy. And I really had to embrace that
Speaker 5: because it's not the way. I think, as we discussed,
Speaker 5: I had more in common with the jazz guy than
Speaker 5: I did with Andy Eckerson by far. So it was
Speaker 5: and from that moment it was the first It was
Speaker 5: a very friendly, very generous and slightly brave thing for
Speaker 5: mers go to do, although I don't think it was.
Speaker 5: It took bravery for her, but I think there was
Speaker 5: a certain amount of kindness of just to say, let
Speaker 5: me just make a slight adjustment and was done because.
Speaker 4: We knew each other. Was totally fine. Usually it's that's
Speaker 4: something you to do indirectly.
Speaker 5: That's good form. But I and that adjustment really helped me.
Speaker 5: And uh, and then I came back. We'll do some
Speaker 5: other episode. But then I came back and played a
Speaker 5: rapist a couple of years.
Speaker 1: Yes, which is what we're going to talk about today.
Speaker 4: Oh was that the episode?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're going to talk about seen. But so
Speaker 2: was that her note like like lean into the format.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 5: I don't remember specifically what she said, so I don't
Speaker 5: want to I don't want to give her short shrift
Speaker 5: because what she's I just remember it was there was
Speaker 5: no room for me to go, well, you know, actors
Speaker 5: don't tuck it.
Speaker 4: There was. It was very gently done.
Speaker 5: It was done with a sense of humor, which is
Speaker 5: how we've always communicated as a very funny person. And
Speaker 5: so it was done with whatever it was that she said.
Speaker 5: It was exactly the right adjustment that I needed. She's
Speaker 5: very intuitive and she gets I think she got here's
Speaker 5: a funny person who thinks he can bring this element
Speaker 5: of humor, which actually it runs contrary to the show.
Speaker 4: There's no time for that.
Speaker 1: How did it come about for you to come back
Speaker 1: to this?
Speaker 2: Like so you're on season five and twelve years later
Speaker 2: they're like, hey, come back on season seventeen and be
Speaker 2: this be this TV actor when you're that bully an outfit,
Speaker 2: it's like so funny, it's so sick.
Speaker 4: That was so so funny.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And because I had this also, it was very
Speaker 5: lay Miz and I had this funny history with lay
Speaker 5: Miz because at the beginning of my career.
Speaker 4: I got a touring production of.
Speaker 5: Lame miz and and I took a television pilot instead,
Speaker 5: as one would do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And then I got and then I.
Speaker 5: Auditioned for Lamez again and everything, and it happened like
Speaker 5: two or three times I auditioned, got it, and then
Speaker 5: they were offering it to me, and I was like,
Speaker 5: every time they offer it to them, me keep offering
Speaker 5: because I end up.
Speaker 4: Getting a pilot.
Speaker 1: What part do you usually get?
Speaker 4: Well, I was a younger man, so that was for angourras.
Speaker 5: You know, that was the broke And now this hasn't happen,
Speaker 5: but I would love to do javert.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: That to me is the role.
Speaker 1: Of you sing. You're a singer, I do sing.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Did you play the base for the Sex and the
Speaker 1: City partner?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: Actually I don't really play an instrument, although at the
Speaker 5: end I played the banjo and that was my banjo.
Speaker 4: I do play a little bit of the banjo.
Speaker 5: And so I when they said he disappears, and I said,
Speaker 5: if you want to do it, and this is this
Speaker 5: is a one time offer. I can't even believe I'm
Speaker 5: saying it, but I could sit naked behind the banjo
Speaker 5: because she was I think originally in the script, she
Speaker 5: comes out and I'm like I'm making a shake or
Speaker 5: something like that, or I'm cooking, and I'm just kind
Speaker 5: of like, I'll be right back. I'll come back and
Speaker 5: I'm like cooking a home meal for myself or something.
Speaker 5: And I said, I can do like a banjo's much
Speaker 5: quicker shot. You don't have all the elements. It was
Speaker 5: something like that, and they love that because it moved
Speaker 5: it along faster.
Speaker 1: Shameless special skills section of your resume. The banjo, that's exciting.
Speaker 4: Yes, naked banjo playing, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Naked banjo playing.
Speaker 3: So you come back to do season seventeen and how
Speaker 3: did that work? They just like said, you're I'm assuming
Speaker 3: they just like offered you this role and you were like,
Speaker 3: let's yeah, and you read the script and you were like,
Speaker 3: I've always wanted to play Bobby Demico, serial rapist, television actor.
Speaker 5: I had such a great time on that episode and
Speaker 5: I'm blanking on his name and he's a terrific actor.
Speaker 1: Raoul Asparza. Oh he played your lawyer.
Speaker 4: No, he played my buddy in it.
Speaker 1: Oh, the guy it's your buddy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he put me to the trouble maker. I'm
Speaker 5: blanking on his name and I'm I wish that. First
Speaker 5: of all, he loaned me twenty bucks while we were
Speaker 5: shooting it. I needed twenty bucks to like get home
Speaker 5: or something like that, and it took me about four
Speaker 5: years to pay him back. I kept Jason finally I
Speaker 5: was able with Instagram, I was able to track him down.
Speaker 1: James Mattio, James mcadi.
Speaker 4: That was a Mattio.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's so good and I just remember he made
Speaker 5: me laugh so much during the episode, which is such
Speaker 5: a gift when you're playing a character like that who's
Speaker 5: kind of a you know, an idiot and horrible and
Speaker 5: very and it was a dark episode, you know, that
Speaker 5: kind of thing when when it's something like that, it's.
Speaker 4: Some people deal with it differently. They can distance themselves
Speaker 4: and detach.
Speaker 5: There are some things that are easier to do for
Speaker 5: different actors, and that was one of those things more
Speaker 5: difficult for me to detach from with something where you're
Speaker 5: violating another human being like that, and knowing that the
Speaker 5: actress really has to go there and you're playing that
Speaker 5: person and you can't. You know, it doesn't matter whether
Speaker 5: it's real or not that while the camera's running, you've
Speaker 5: got to bring that energy or they can't.
Speaker 4: They have nothing to react, and.
Speaker 5: It's it's it's not you're not You're not going to
Speaker 5: go crazy if you're a rational, saying human being. It's
Speaker 5: what we do. But you're you're pulling things from your
Speaker 5: actual emotions. And so I do remember that was not pleasant,
Speaker 5: and what a godsend it was to have somebody like
Speaker 5: you know, James, who's just made me laugh all week.
Speaker 5: I remember telling me about his family. It just his
Speaker 5: Italian family, which was hilarious, and he really kept me
Speaker 5: laughing all week. And he be home one night, he
Speaker 5: got me, gave me like twenty bucks and then waiting patiently,
Speaker 5: and he didn't charge me interest when I paid him back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys are definitely scumbags.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And what's so kind of haunting about this episode too,
Speaker 2: is I wonder how long these two guys have been
Speaker 2: doing this and how much long they would have gotten
Speaker 2: away because they've been friends for decades and just have
Speaker 2: this bar.
Speaker 1: It's like so dark.
Speaker 2: It's so dark to use the same like lines every
Speaker 2: time too, Like it's that it's that scripted out, like ugh.
Speaker 5: You know, it was really disturbing because I think I'm
Speaker 5: not sure it might have been. Right after I did
Speaker 5: there was a TV show called Unreal that I.
Speaker 1: Did for We were obsessed with Unreal.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well it's certainly in the first season he's you know,
Speaker 5: but it was I was playing a lot of characters
Speaker 5: who were very abusive towards women. It's exactly the opposite
Speaker 5: of where my sentiments lie. So that's like when Unreal came,
Speaker 5: I was surprised at how much I love it because
Speaker 5: I hate those reality shows, but we would go off
Speaker 5: on a little bit of a tangent here. I just
Speaker 5: was surprised at how much I loved it. But I
Speaker 5: also I loved that it was so female centric, Like
Speaker 5: the Sex and the City experiment, I just experiment the episode.
Speaker 5: I got a real sense of what it was like
Speaker 5: to be a working female actress in Hollywood, which I
Speaker 5: had been obviously a guy working in Hollywood for a
Speaker 5: number of years. And Unreal I got to basically play
Speaker 5: the female part because it was about these two women,
Speaker 5: and it was you know, they're surprisingly at least at
Speaker 5: that point, very few shows like that that was centered
Speaker 5: simply around the world of women and the psyche of
Speaker 5: two women in the world that existed between them and
Speaker 5: explored their relationship, and the guys were fairly incidental, the
Speaker 5: ways that women have been incidental in lots of TV shows,
Speaker 5: except for the for this show and for you know,
Speaker 5: Sex and the City, but for most show, you know,
Speaker 5: I just basically I'm what is it?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 5: I can't remember the character from Dynasty, but based on
Speaker 5: Joan Collins, basically I never knew why I was walking
Speaker 5: into a room or where I was going when I left.
Speaker 5: I just knew I had to say something mean and
Speaker 5: cutting to the to the women, to give them someone
Speaker 5: to something to come up against, and that was really
Speaker 5: the function of it. So but again, the same thing.
Speaker 5: You got to play with one hundred percent commitment or
Speaker 5: all the scenery falls down and everybody's like, oh, it's
Speaker 5: all false.
Speaker 1: Wait, you just did Curb.
Speaker 4: Yes, how was that? It was great?
Speaker 5: I did you know when when Larry David left Seinfeld
Speaker 5: he did a movie for Castle Rock called Sour Grapes,
Speaker 5: and it was to this day the funniest script I've
Speaker 5: ever read, including any classic comedy, check off anything that
Speaker 5: I've ever read, any sitcom, any movie. The script for
Speaker 5: Sour Grapes, laugh out loud on every page, sometimes with
Speaker 5: just one word. There was one joke where he literally
Speaker 5: uses the word whom instead of who he's at whom,
Speaker 5: laugh out loud. Just such a funny script, and it
Speaker 5: didn't cook. It didn't bake. Uh. And then I went
Speaker 5: off to New York. I did The Music Man. After that,
Speaker 5: I stayed in touch with Larry on and off, and
Speaker 5: then years and years ago.
Speaker 1: We Love himah, the podcast We Love Him.
Speaker 5: Mister Dick Wolf in Chicago, your Dick Wolf in Chicago.
Speaker 4: He's your your man Wolf in Chicago. Uh and and.
Speaker 5: So yeah, But anyway, he called me at you know,
Speaker 5: I think Susie Esmond had seen me in a play
Speaker 5: read and said you should come out and do Curve.
Speaker 5: I was like, I'd love to do it. So she
Speaker 5: told Larry and it was the last season, and he
Speaker 5: wrote this little thing for me.
Speaker 4: I came out.
Speaker 5: I just was the guy sitting behind him in a
Speaker 5: movie theater and he puts his his coat over the seat.
Speaker 4: I'm like, you're in my area.
Speaker 5: It was just such a little but I remember shooting it.
Speaker 5: We shot it for about an hour and a half.
Speaker 5: It was just It's probably a thirty second bit, but
Speaker 5: we shot it for about an hour and a half
Speaker 5: and he couldn't keep a straight face. That's what I
Speaker 5: remembered was Larry David is a genius. And one of
Speaker 5: the things I love most about somebody like that is
Speaker 5: if the truly funniest people I've ever met, they have
Speaker 5: no problem if you make them laugh.
Speaker 4: They fall down on the floor laughing.
Speaker 5: And the scariest people are the comedians who lose their laughs.
Speaker 5: So you say something funny and they go, it's funny,
Speaker 5: They don't laugh anymore. They're just that's funny, funny, and
Speaker 5: you're like, you never hear them laughing. Were Larry David
Speaker 5: loves to laugh. You can see it in Curb that's
Speaker 5: him laughing. But when he's shooting it, he can't get
Speaker 5: through a take if you're funny, And of course I
Speaker 5: just wanted to make him laugh, so that's all it is.
Speaker 4: But I love doing it. I'm glad I got to do.
Speaker 5: A little bit on it, and then and so did
Speaker 5: Steven because it was Steven and I and sour Grapes
Speaker 5: and Steven was hilarious and Curb your enthusiasm.
Speaker 4: Of course he's great in the Chicago. What is it
Speaker 4: Chicago Hospital?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Chicago, the TV show Chicago med.
Speaker 4: I love Chicago, Dick Wolf.
Speaker 1: Chicago's beautiful this time of year.
Speaker 2: If you were to come back into the Dick Wolf
Speaker 2: universe or SVU, what would you want to come back as?
Speaker 5: Oh, I don't care. You know, that's the kind of
Speaker 5: thing where I was like wherever after a while. Now
Speaker 5: I've been doing this for a while, it's like, you
Speaker 5: know what he knows what he's doing. And first of all,
Speaker 5: if I was the right person, they would select me
Speaker 5: for something. You know, they know who I am. You
Speaker 5: just want to be the fork at the table. So
Speaker 5: I would say, if if I knew I could do that,
Speaker 5: whatever he chose for me to do would be the
Speaker 5: right one.
Speaker 4: He could choose it better. Like I have a friend.
Speaker 5: If I need to buy nice clothes, I don't have
Speaker 5: any sense of it. So I just call my buddy
Speaker 5: and he takes me down and we go buy nice clothes.
Speaker 5: And I buy something I would have never looked at,
Speaker 5: and I think I'm not gonna wear this.
Speaker 4: He goes, you'll wear this every day? And I do.
Speaker 5: And that's something I look like Dick Wolf you go.
Speaker 5: Just don't tell Dick Wolf what to do. If he's
Speaker 5: gonna use you, let him set you at the table.
Speaker 5: If he's gonna set you at the table where he
Speaker 5: sets you, that's right. I trust that no more than
Speaker 5: I used to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a return of Andy Eckerson.
Speaker 4: I think America wants to know what to hear what
Speaker 4: Andy's up to.
Speaker 2: Because we do eventually need Detective Olivia Benson in a
Speaker 2: happy ending for the Love of God.
Speaker 1: Yeah, really like.
Speaker 4: The Final Spectacular movie.
Speaker 2: I know we needed Just in the Bahamas with like
Speaker 2: a nice guy Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: We want to retire. They've killed everyone.
Speaker 5: Shot shot just me walking out of the surf.
Speaker 1: Mouth playing the band Joe naked behind.
Speaker 4: You with the band?
Speaker 5: Ye that what if it turns out to be that guy,
Speaker 5: He's well medicated. He's properly medicated across universe.
Speaker 1: Love.
Speaker 3: Will you tell us about this movie that you're going
Speaker 3: to be in coming up called the Debut, because that
Speaker 3: look I was reading about it and it looks really
Speaker 3: interesting with Julianne Moore.
Speaker 1: Well this is a little up and comer Julianne Moore,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, people are raped. I cannot wait.
Speaker 4: I'm in two brief scenes.
Speaker 5: I basically am I'm one of the guys who basically
Speaker 5: I'm there so you can see where she is in life.
Speaker 5: I'm one of the people who's who's sort of projecting
Speaker 5: how small and mousey she is. And and Patrick Fabian
Speaker 5: plays her husband. We're in a couple of brief scenes.
Speaker 5: I'm his friend and basically we're just she says, I'm
Speaker 5: going to do this play in musical theater and keeping
Speaker 5: community theater, and I'm just like, I hate musical theater,
Speaker 5: you know, just to give her something. Just all we
Speaker 5: do is diminish her. That's basically what we do. But
Speaker 5: she is so good and the movie, the script is
Speaker 5: so funny. I think people are gonna love this movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was there for two days.
Speaker 5: Got to spend two days with Julian Moore and Patrick
Speaker 5: and a couple of people that were just really you know,
Speaker 5: it was a terrific time.
Speaker 1: And did Jesse Eisenberg direct.
Speaker 4: Before wrote and directed it? He wrote and directed it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exciting. I can't wait to see.
Speaker 4: This friendliest guy so bright. Yeah, it's a terrific guy.
Speaker 5: And I think he liked the idea that I did
Speaker 5: a lot of musical comedy, and that basically my whole line,
Speaker 5: and the whole thing.
Speaker 4: Is, I just can't stand musical What are you doing?
Speaker 4: That's so silly? People singing on stage, It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Are you in New York? I am, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: I'm in New York. The vibes are just electric this summer.
Speaker 2: Are you having the time of your life or what?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: If love our.
Speaker 5: Mayor, I love our mayor. I love our teams, I'd
Speaker 5: love them regardless. And I'm not even a sports fan.
Speaker 5: I just love everything. I just love how together everybody is.
Speaker 5: I love what's going on with Pride right now and
Speaker 5: the word. You can probably tell where my sensibilities lie politically,
Speaker 5: but I'm I'm very encouraged, and I love being in
Speaker 5: New York.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so much for talking to us, Craig.
Speaker 4: This was awesome.
Speaker 1: The debut because I was going to go see that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Oh, the debut, And and another movie that I
Speaker 5: just finished just it's called the debut, the debut, it's
Speaker 5: called It's Day Book. Actually it's very very different.
Speaker 4: But it's this judaic movie and I just finished.
Speaker 5: It's beautiful, and that's all I'll say about it, but it.
Speaker 4: Sounds so much like the Debut. I was like, did
Speaker 4: you know the Debut?
Speaker 5: I got to listen to the end of the word really, wait,
Speaker 5: are you being serious?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: I did. I did this movie called the Debut. The
Speaker 4: day Book is this sort of.
Speaker 5: A it's a Hebrew demon, so it's a bit of
Speaker 5: a Gothic horror. It's beautiful, it's a love story, it's
Speaker 5: and it's I saw some footage from it.
Speaker 4: It's absolutely stunning. But yeah, so much the Tuba debut
Speaker 4: and debut.
Speaker 5: D ybb U can now if I could just get
Speaker 5: in a movie called Duluth, I would have my.
Speaker 2: Chi cross for all of them. At the same time.
Speaker 2: We're both Jews. I've never heard of this demon. I'm
Speaker 2: so into spooky things. I can't wait to get a
Speaker 2: Jew too.
Speaker 4: And I had never heard of it.
Speaker 5: If you look it up, it was a The Debook
Speaker 5: is a it's a demon, but it was a play.
Speaker 5: It's based on a play from the nineteen early nineteen ten,
Speaker 5: nineteen twenties, I think, but it's it's been updated and
Speaker 5: it's it's quite beautiful and very haunting.
Speaker 4: Like I said, I've seen some footage and it's really stirring.
Speaker 1: And you you rapped, you just rapped.
Speaker 4: Just finished.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the only time I've heard the word well, I
Speaker 3: heard it, so that is dibbik is in Waiting for
Speaker 3: God it's I think, yeah, in Waiting for gofman Uh,
Speaker 3: Eugene Livy's character does say dibic Schmidbick I said more ham,
Speaker 3: but it's like it's like an improvised like jokes.
Speaker 4: A lot of debate. There was a lot of debate.
Speaker 4: Is it dibik or is it the book dbook?
Speaker 5: And it depends on whether you're Sephardic or ashke Nazi.
Speaker 5: So it got like every time I had to say
Speaker 5: it in the movie, I was a little apprehensive. You
Speaker 5: can like let go so the like you can actually
Speaker 5: see me trying to figure out how so the pronunciations vary.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really cool and I'd never heard of it before.
Speaker 5: But it's a really it's a kind of a haunting,
Speaker 5: beautiful story, you know.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 5: Thank you, grank you, this was wonderful than you for
Speaker 5: letting me walk down memory lane with you.
Speaker 4: Guys.
Speaker 1: Love him. I did too.
Speaker 2: I just remembered something that I should have brought up
Speaker 2: in the intro. But we're going to do it post.
Speaker 2: But I do love jazz Man. He was so fun, charismatic, hot.
Speaker 2: It was great, funny, yeah, funny. I finished Song of Achilles.
Speaker 2: I finished the book, cried for an hour and a
Speaker 2: half before I watched After Hour in a game. It
Speaker 2: was July third, finished it in bed and everyone was right,
Speaker 2: and I cried alone for about an hour and a
Speaker 2: half before leaving.
Speaker 3: I sort of love a book where you get like
Speaker 3: a big like I remember finishing a prayer for Owen
Speaker 3: Meani on a plane when I was like twenty and
Speaker 3: covering myself in a blanket and like crying underneath the
Speaker 3: blanket for at least like a half an hour on
Speaker 3: a flight. They probably thought I was scared of flying
Speaker 3: or something like it. It's it's very cathartic. It feels
Speaker 3: kind of good.
Speaker 1: Well, because everyone.
Speaker 2: Kept stopping me being like you're gonna get destroyed, You're
Speaker 2: gonna cry, You're gonna cry, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: And so I was like kind of annoyed by everyone.
Speaker 2: And there's a pracacy in it, so you kind of
Speaker 2: know what's going to happen, and I was just like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck like it, We'll probably not. And then
Speaker 2: it actually took me somewhere else that I didn't see
Speaker 2: coming at all, and no One's annoyingness did fuck me up,
Speaker 2: and it did hit me in a huge way. I
Speaker 2: was like, just couldn't handle them, couldn't handle it. So
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get her next book. Circe and our friend
Speaker 2: Allison Libey's books out today. So I'm gonna, hopefully after
Speaker 2: we record, go to the bookstore and see if I
Speaker 2: can find them. My copy is arriving today. I had
Speaker 2: to change the Adam want to. Yeah, yeah, so we'll see.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna take a stroll around, but I'm gonna
Speaker 2: buy Circe, even though I have so many books and
Speaker 2: I'm reading Michel Neckberth's. But I did finish Song of
Speaker 2: Achilles and I loved it. So people wanted to know
Speaker 2: the people that d me you were I loved it.
Speaker 1: I loved it. That sounds like a great book.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So post mortem this episode, I mean, the
Speaker 2: post mortem is everything we've talked about on this podcast
Speaker 2: since the day we started, which is like men and
Speaker 2: men should not be given any power they don't know
Speaker 2: how to handle it without becoming sexual predators.
Speaker 1: Uh, and yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I guess I just like I knew Cosby was kind
Speaker 3: of doing this for a long time, but I didn't
Speaker 3: really realize that it was like almost fifty years before
Speaker 3: he saw like a second of retribution and then even
Speaker 3: then he didn't really get that much punishment. He's out,
Speaker 3: So it's just like disheartening how the rich. It feels
Speaker 3: crazy that Weinstein has stayed in jail, Like there must
Speaker 3: be so much evidence on him that he's stayed in
Speaker 3: jail because he has so much money that he could
Speaker 3: just appeal appeal, appeal, appeal and figure out loopholes like
Speaker 3: what happened with Cosby, and he hasn't, so there.
Speaker 1: Must be enough on him. Yeah, it's like the Danny
Speaker 1: Mattaway person of it all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there must, like if somebody like big goes away,
Speaker 3: you know, there's a lot on them, because honestly, it
Speaker 3: feels like seventy five percent of the justice system is
Speaker 3: like rich people paying their way out of it. But uh, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know if there's any.
Speaker 2: Like tell on your friends, tell on your friends, stopping
Speaker 2: friends with bad people like actually stand for something of God. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: And I don't know, go with your gut and like
Speaker 2: listen to I just feel like sometimes with rumors about men,
Speaker 2: famous men and stuff like where there's smoke, there's fire,
Speaker 2: like just like be like careful wary of somebody who's
Speaker 2: like famous or rich or in a higher position than you,
Speaker 2: like taking a weird interest in you to be like
Speaker 2: you know, it's hard because it's like have confidence you
Speaker 2: are great. Maybe your boss just loves you, but also
Speaker 2: maybe they're a predator and trying to do something illegal
Speaker 2: and traumatizing who knows.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I hate when people take their own experience with someone
Speaker 2: as like fact for everyone else's experience with them.
Speaker 1: It really makes no sense. Yeah, guess what.
Speaker 3: When I met Matt Lower in Jerino, he was wonderful
Speaker 3: to me and gave me six bottles of wine. Do
Speaker 3: I believe some of the stories I've read about him?
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 3: I do believe them. It's like people contain multitudes. Uh,
Speaker 3: so let's get into what would Sister Peg do this week?
Speaker 3: This is our weekly segment where we point you to
Speaker 3: an organization, an article, a book, something to give you
Speaker 3: more information about what we talked about in today's episode.
Speaker 3: And I wanted to point you to the article that
Speaker 3: I referenced, the twenty fifteen New York magazine Tight article
Speaker 3: titled I'm No Longer Afraid. Thirty five women tell their
Speaker 3: stories about being assaulted by Bill Cosby and the culture
Speaker 3: that wouldn't listen. This article goes in depth on all
Speaker 3: these survivors' stories. Like I said, I mean, if I
Speaker 3: had there's enough in the Cosby case to be like
Speaker 3: a full twenty episode podcast. So we just don't have
Speaker 3: enough time on this podcast. But if you're interested in
Speaker 3: going more in depth on him, this article does that.
Speaker 3: And if it wasn't already obvious, the article illustrates what
Speaker 3: a rampant and serreal rapist he was. So just if
Speaker 3: you want to hear more about the victims stories and
Speaker 3: probably where some of them are now and what they're doing,
Speaker 3: I mean, I think like the only silver lining is
Speaker 3: I feel a lot of a few of them have
Speaker 3: become really big activists on the on sexual assault, and
Speaker 3: I think we can always use more voices speaking up
Speaker 3: for that, So that will be linked in our show
Speaker 3: notes as usual and then uh shared as a story
Speaker 3: the day the episode comes out, and those stories are
Speaker 3: saved forever on our Instagram highlights that are labeled WWSPD
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Speaker 1: On over there.
Speaker 2: Wait are you so excited that Trixy and Katya are
Speaker 2: going to be recapping All Star season two?
Speaker 3: I didn't know that episode. I didn't know they were
Speaker 3: doing that because I've been on this road trip. So
Speaker 3: I just today caught up on I'm now only two behind.
Speaker 3: I'm just started the Robbie Hoffman episode. Oh my god,
Speaker 3: yeah I am, I'm ex I yeah, I'm stuttering.
Speaker 2: I'm so happy to revisit probably one of the best
Speaker 2: series of television that's ever existed, All Stars two.
Speaker 1: Well and makes such a good point.
Speaker 2: She's like that was the first time where it's like
Speaker 2: the voting and all like they created the rule like
Speaker 2: they like because everyone who's done All starts sin. It's like,
Speaker 2: you know, there's gonna be trickery in this and that,
Speaker 2: and like it really was the switch of everything, and
Speaker 2: it was just like they used to wait so long
Speaker 2: with All Stars that you've got this like really like
Speaker 2: big deep pool of like really talented queens and like
Speaker 2: not to say that there's not now, but like now
Speaker 2: it's basically like new season All Stars, New Season All Stars,
Speaker 2: and so the second has like some of the biggest talents,
Speaker 2: Like I love it so much. Oh yeah, I'm just
Speaker 2: thinking about you wrote you at the end, just thought
Speaker 2: about read you wrote you and got excited. And then
Speaker 2: next year, JK, next week we'll be doing assumptions. Next year,
Speaker 2: next week we'll be doing assumptions. Season twenty, episode twenty three.
Speaker 2: Have I watched it yet, Like, I don't know. Yes,
Speaker 2: we've already done the full recap. Hon, Yes, yes, you
Speaker 2: have watched it. I'm telling you, I've never had a
Speaker 2: summer like this.
Speaker 3: Maybe you have to start scheduling in your calendar some
Speaker 3: nights to just stay home.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I napped during the day. I napped during the day.
Speaker 2: I no, but I was planning on going on. I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I'll do my spot and I'll go home,
Speaker 2: and then I was and then my friend was like,
Speaker 2: I'll meet you for one, and then cut to him
Speaker 2: having five fucking pints of gin and soda.
Speaker 1: You know, I'll meet you for one.
Speaker 3: In the summer is like just feels like a lie
Speaker 3: that everyone's telling themselves.
Speaker 2: But that's exciting. It's the summer of fun. Baby, we'll
Speaker 2: see you guys next week. Thank you so much for listening.
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