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Speaker 1: can naked work. Thank you, guys, there's more with Reps

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Speaker 1: Miller and Sam Pollard on Citizen Ash. What Ash was

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Speaker 1: able to accomplish by being his own person and being

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Speaker 1: his own self was a certain level of respect that

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Speaker 1: very few people get, because if you watched him, if

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Speaker 1: you paid attention to him, he walked the walk and

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Speaker 1: talk the talk. If he was a man that had

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Speaker 1: a respect for the game of tennis, if you will,

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00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: on and off the court, you had to respect him

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00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 1: because he only showed the utmost respect for that profession,

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Speaker 1: which leads me to the moment in which in the

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Speaker 1: documentary they talk about how he let John McEnroe have

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Speaker 1: it because he did not like John's behavior. Now a

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Speaker 1: mad in this let me set the scene in terms

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Speaker 1: of an illustration. This white, extremely popular American tennis player

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Speaker 1: who has been told he can do whatever he wants

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Speaker 1: whenever he wants, i e. Throw tantrums on the court,

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Speaker 1: is doing exactly that when the black quiet also Grand

446
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Speaker 1: Slam champion decides to say, I don't like your behavior.

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Speaker 1: If you can knock it off, it's unacceptable, be a

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Speaker 1: better man. It wasn't a black or white issue, but

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Speaker 1: it could have been portrayed as that it was a

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Speaker 1: humanity issue and it was a respect issue man to man,

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Speaker 1: get your together, and for someone like Arthur Ashe to

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Speaker 1: to stand up boldly to a John McEnroe, and if

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Speaker 1: you know anything about tennis, you know his personality. That

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00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: was a bold step and I love the way they

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Speaker 1: describe why he felt it was needed. All Arthur stood

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Speaker 1: up to John, and at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: John respected that very few people really have stood up

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Speaker 1: to John, and Arthur was real clear, like John, you're

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Speaker 1: right seventy percent of the ton but it's the way

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Speaker 1: you go about it. And it's one thing if you're

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Speaker 1: just playing for yourself, representing yourself, I don't really care

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Speaker 1: what you do. But you're representing your country and you're

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Speaker 1: representing me and the David's Cup team, so you have

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Speaker 1: to change your your approach. And Arthur was like one

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Speaker 1: hair away from kicking John off the team and defaulting

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Speaker 1: the match in the finals of the Davis Cup, and

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Speaker 1: so he confronted John about it and basically told him,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna kick you off the team if

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Speaker 1: you don't get it together, and apparently John's response was okay,

470
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Speaker 1: is that it? And then John John went out and

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00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: won the finals and Arthur and John were hugging each

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Speaker 1: other afterwards. But I love the way Arthur points out

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Speaker 1: in a very nuanced way how he was annoyed by John,

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Speaker 1: but also envious of John because John had the freedom

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Speaker 1: to go act like a jerk um and Arthur could

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Speaker 1: not have ever acted like that. Not only would the

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Speaker 1: powers of tennis drag him out, drum him out of tennis,

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Speaker 1: but even though his father may have passed away by

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Speaker 1: that point, he couldn't ever have acted like that because

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Speaker 1: of his upbringing. And one of the uh pivotal events

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Speaker 1: in Arthur's life was being around when the murder of

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Speaker 1: Himmett still happened, and that taught him in very clear

483
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Speaker 1: ways that you could not act a certain way in

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Speaker 1: the Deep South as a young black man in the

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Speaker 1: forties and fifties when he was coming up. But but

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Speaker 1: I think it's in plant to remember something you said,

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Speaker 1: carry that he was he was in his own way,

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Speaker 1: you know, always challenging the status quo. You know, he

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00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: absolutely right. He wasn't like Ali, you know, but he

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Speaker 1: has he had a voice that he wanted to sort

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00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: of make sure he reached out to people and understand

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Speaker 1: that he was challenging the status quo as much as

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Speaker 1: anyone else was, but just doing it the author ashway. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And I think you know we one I always looked

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00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: at Arthur is that he was in a way and

496
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: undercover operative in in like the Big House. He later

497
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: in his life he was on the board of Philip Morris.

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00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: He's attending these meetings and trying to bring about change

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00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: from inside the system, and that you know, I respect

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00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: him a lot for that. But he was called out

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00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: early in his career as an uncle Tom because he'd

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Speaker 1: be mingling with these people, are trying to work with

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Speaker 1: these people. But he always said, and Sam loves to

504
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: talk about this, Arthur did in his way, don't tell

505
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: me what to do. I'm gonna do it my way.

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00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: Arthur Rash had a heart attack in his thirties, which

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00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: is crazy, right thinking about that now. He ultimately died

508
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Speaker 1: when he was forty nine of AIDS because there wasn't

509
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: that cocktail that is now created to help you live

510
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: a healthy, vibrant life when you contract needs HIV AIDS.

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Speaker 1: So he received the diagnosis in a way in which

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Speaker 1: everyone thought, We'll wait a second, does this mean that

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00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: he was not heterosexual? Does this mean he was not

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Speaker 1: living the life that he claims he was living. And

515
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: while that's neither here nor there, what Ash did do

516
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: when he contracted AIDS was fight to remove the stigma

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00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: that is associated with it. That takes a strong person,

518
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: and it goes back to this, this legendary man when

519
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: we think of all the things he was able to do.

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Speaker 1: But I asked the question, how difficult was it to

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Speaker 1: address the AIDS topic, because there are still and ideas

522
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: and things floating around, but it still doesn't take away

523
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Speaker 1: from what he was able to accomplish, even fighting AIDS.

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Speaker 1: Not only was he a civil rights activist, he became

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Speaker 1: an AIDS advocate. And I think it was beautiful that

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Speaker 1: they used his wife to tell that story. I'm gonna

527
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Speaker 1: let Sam really answer that, because he solved it. But

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Speaker 1: when I started this documentary and throughout trying to make it,

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Speaker 1: I always just pushed AIDS off to the side because

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Speaker 1: as a lifelong Arthur ash fan, that never fit for me, like, oh,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, AIDS dominates his story, and so

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00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: I was never focusing on that and kind of left

533
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: it and Sam, I thought, integrated it rather well, with

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Speaker 1: the important parts being how he was outed in telling

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Speaker 1: his story, and you know, it's a complicated nugget to

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Speaker 1: his life. I didn't feel it was one of the

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00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: main ones about his life, but I think he showed

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Speaker 1: that he was able to deal with that in dignity,

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Speaker 1: with his own dignity. I think the thing that helps

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Speaker 1: make it really come through the film it works so

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00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: well is Genie Ash. I think when we interviewed Genie

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Speaker 1: and she tells us a story of what happened, how

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Speaker 1: they got to die ignosis and the impact on it

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00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: had on the family, and the focus on how to

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Speaker 1: deal with it, she brings such poetry and eloquence to

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Speaker 1: how she delivers it. That's part of what makes it

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00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: really work so well, you know, and understanding that, you know,

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00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: it was controversial, you know, because we're in the middle

549
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: of an AIDS crisis. But for this athlete, you know,

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00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: who didn't want to come out and talk about it.

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00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: But when he was outed, as Billy gene King says

552
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Speaker 1: in the film, he stepped up and he dealt with it,

553
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: you know, and it was again it shows at a

554
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: certain level the elegance of this human being, you know,

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00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: and or the elegance of Arthur, both of both really

556
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: you know and really facing it, confronting it, not wanting

557
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: to confront it, but confronting it in a way that

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00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: again shows the dignity of Arthur had by how he

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00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: dealt with all things, you know, and I don't think

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00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: you could have made a film without having to deal

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00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: with that, because there's a major part of his life.

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Speaker 1: Rex says, you solved it. You solved by making sure

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Speaker 1: you told the story through Genie's perspective. Well, that's what

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00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I think with Genie when we went back

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Speaker 1: into the second interview with Genie and the way she

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Speaker 1: explained and articulated how the story unfolded, which is beautiful.

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00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: It was just beautiful and heartfelt and well, you know,

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00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: and you can't ask about it, and that as a

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Speaker 1: documentary filming, and how he Arthur incorporated camera their daughter

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Speaker 1: into this new reality so that she wouldn't be afraid

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Speaker 1: and that she felt like she was part of it,

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00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: you know, part of them dealing with this situation. What

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Speaker 1: did that do for for that particular disease at the time,

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Speaker 1: having people who were of note speak up and talk

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Speaker 1: about it and take them the mystery away from it,

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Speaker 1: the the danger away from this particular disease. Well, I

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Speaker 1: think you just said it. It demystified it to a

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00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: great degree. And Arthur was such a you know, humanitarian

579
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: and and people related to him in such an approachable way,

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00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: and he, you know the way that he he he

581
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: went out and started a foundation, the Arthur Ashe Foundation

582
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Speaker 1: for the Defeat of AIDS and get looking back, you know,

583
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: his life ended before you know, the disease could be cured,

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00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: but he didn't shy away from taking a public stance.

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Speaker 1: And at the time there was a lot of stigma

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Speaker 1: attached to AIDS activists. We had Act up and g MHC.

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00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: And I was involved in doing some documentary work in

588
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Speaker 1: that field. So those people got stigmatized as well. So

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00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,439
Speaker 1: Arthur could have just retreated to his nice home and

590
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: you know, worked on his other policy issues, but he

591
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: went and started a foundation and had fundraisers and gave

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00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: speeches and again he did it his way, but he

593
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: got involved and so I think that speaks volumes about him.

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Speaker 1: The easy question to ask is what is his legacy

595
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: on and off the court? Right, That's the easy question

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00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: to ask. But the filmmakers put it in perspective. They

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00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: talk about how they have shared this film with the

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00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: younger generation, kids, school aged kids, maybe elementary school, but

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00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: kids in general, just so that they can plant the

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00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: seed of who this great man was, and perhaps you're

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00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: inspiring the next Arthur Ash or someone else to be

602
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: a part of the movement. And I think what I

603
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: personally gained from his legacy on and off the court

604
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: is that it could be done anyway, and it that

605
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 1: means winning, surviving, being an example, being a leader, being

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Speaker 1: an activist, being an advocate, being a friend, being a

607
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: role model. He was all of those things, and he

608
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: did it on and off the court. But for me,

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00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: I'm so used to sing it being done so loudly,

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00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: and he did it with elegance and grace, much like

611
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 1: he played the of tennis. I'm absolutely honored to share

612
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: his story. But the point is is that now others

613
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: can hear it too well. It just shows that, you know,

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00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: with the the the obstacles he had to overcome in America,

615
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 1: you know, basically in apartheid America, you know, and and

616
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: the fact that he was up for it, he was

617
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: up for it, and he knew how complicated was to

618
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: to to to do the things he wanted to do,

619
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: both on the court and off the court, and he

620
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 1: understood that when he was able to win their US Open,

621
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Speaker 1: that they gave him a platform. It finally gave him

622
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: a platform to be able to speak up and speak

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Speaker 1: out like other black athletes and black you know performers

624
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: were doing. I mean, when you see that material from

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00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: Black Journal, when he's up there on that show with

626
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: Jackie Robinson, you know, with Harry Edwards. You know, these

627
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: are men who were also celebrating their in their in

628
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 1: their sports arena, who knew that they had to speak

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Speaker 1: up and speak out. And author knew that now that

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00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: he had at one day US open, he had the

631
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Speaker 1: platform to be able to do that, and which letting

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Speaker 1: to go to South Africa, which was complicated, you know,

633
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: as you've seen in the film, there was black South

634
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: Africas that though he shouldn't come, you know, and but

635
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,959
Speaker 1: he came not just to play tenants, but to find

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00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: out what was happening there and to see how he

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00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: could challenge it. It would be wrong of me to

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00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 1: to gloat on about who this man is um without

639
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: letting the filmmakers who have done it in their own

640
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 1: way talk about what they actually took away from this project.

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00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's so much more that they wanted to

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00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: add about who Arthur ashe was and what he has

643
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: left behind. But I think it's important to really understand

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Speaker 1: that he lived in a time which is very different

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Speaker 1: than where we are today. We have made a lot

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Speaker 1: of progress because of people like Arthur ash we as

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Speaker 1: in the marginalized community. I'm not just talking about black folks,

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Speaker 1: but marginalized people who were treated differently, who do not

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Speaker 1: start out on first, second, or third base, those who

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Speaker 1: are outside of the park at the fence looking in,

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Speaker 1: asking can they just have the same opportunities. That's what

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Speaker 1: we're talking about. Those are the people were speaking with

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Speaker 1: and Arthur ashe was just a perfect example of I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna put my head down and do what I need

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Speaker 1: to do, and for that he deserves to be acknowledged.

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Speaker 1: I hadn't watched it in a few months, and I

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Speaker 1: watched it. We had two screenings over the last weekend

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Speaker 1: in New York and one was for over a hundred

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Speaker 1: kids at the carry Leads Center in the South Bronx.

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Speaker 1: So we had all these n y j t L

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Speaker 1: kids and Arthur started ny j t L over fifty

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Speaker 1: years ago, which is at this point it's called New

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Speaker 1: York Junior Tennis and Learning, and Arthur stressed the importance

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Speaker 1: of both sports and books in a young person's journey,

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Speaker 1: and he used sports to open doors. But it's the

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Speaker 1: education that made him be a complete person. And for me,

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Speaker 1: the takeaway for young people, you know, at that screening

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Speaker 1: the other day at the at the beginning of the screening,

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Speaker 1: I came and introduced the film and there were thirty

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Speaker 1: five kids in the room that I was in, and

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Speaker 1: I said, who here knows who Arthur Ashes? And only

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Speaker 1: three kids put up their hand out of thirty five,

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Speaker 1: and they were all African American kids, and they were

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Speaker 1: here at a tennis center and they didn't know who

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Speaker 1: Arthur Ash was. And at the end of the film,

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Speaker 1: literally all of them got up and they were cheering

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Speaker 1: for this guy, Arthur Ash. And I then asked, everybody, uh,

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Speaker 1: tell me something that you learned about this guy Arthur Ash.

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Speaker 1: And they were like falling over each other to get

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Speaker 1: on the mic. And they had these great stories and

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Speaker 1: one of them stood out for people took away or

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Speaker 1: connected to different things about the man. Oh, he was

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Speaker 1: a champion. And but one little boy just kept talking

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Speaker 1: talking about Arthur and his daughter camera. He said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Arthur Ash, he he was a champion. Then he had aids,

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Speaker 1: but he had his daughter that he cared about and

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Speaker 1: she cared about him, and he was expressing a very

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Speaker 1: large emotional thought. But that was his takeaway, his connection

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Speaker 1: to his little daughter, and I thought that was really fascinating.

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Speaker 1: So with this film, this was a hundred and five

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Speaker 1: kids that now know all about Arthur Ash as a

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Speaker 1: as a role model. And uh, that's one of the

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Speaker 1: reasons why I make documentaries. Where was the other screen right, Rick?

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Speaker 1: The other screening was beautiful. We missed you. It was

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Speaker 1: in Fort Green Park outdoors under the stars, with an

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Speaker 1: amazing screen and amazing audio, and all these community people,

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Speaker 1: a couple hundred people on their blankets, and I asked

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Speaker 1: them the same question, who, I said, who here is

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Speaker 1: learning about Arthur Ash pretty much for the first time,

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Speaker 1: And a lot of hands went up, and a lot

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Speaker 1: of people at the end said, oh, I never knew

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Speaker 1: this about him. I never knew that about your value.

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Speaker 1: In value. Citizen Ash is available when She Dreaming, but

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Speaker 1: you can also watch it on CNN. It's very many repeats.

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Speaker 1: You can google where you can find it, but it's

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Speaker 1: on HBO Max as well. It's something that you should watch,

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Speaker 1: and it moves quickly and it's a beautiful story about

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Speaker 1: a beautiful man. Again. He made history as the first

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Speaker 1: black man to win a Grand Slam tournament. That was

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Speaker 1: the US Open in nineteen sixty eight. His second Grand

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Speaker 1: Slam was in nineteen seventy at Australian Open, and his

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Speaker 1: third and final Slam was in ve he won Wimbledon,

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Speaker 1: considered the most prestigious award of them all. And I

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Speaker 1: think Citizen Ash really focuses on how people didn't appreciate

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Speaker 1: him his career, namely on the court and then his

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Speaker 1: his role as an activist and a civil rights advocate

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Speaker 1: off the court, because he was so quiet, because he

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Speaker 1: played tennis and he went about it in a different way.

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Speaker 1: But I hope you understand that all are needed. Loud

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Speaker 1: and proud like me, quiet and getting the job done

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Speaker 1: like him, All of those things are needed. There's no

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Speaker 1: right way if you will to be an activist, and

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Speaker 1: I hope it's a reminder for what you can do

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Speaker 1: as well, using your platform whatever whatever it may be,

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Speaker 1: right to change the world. As you know, I'm fired

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Speaker 1: up about Row versus Wade, a very morally complicated thing

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Speaker 1: for me to discuss with you guys, because, like I

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Speaker 1: told you, I'm a Christian and I know what I

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Speaker 1: have been taught. But I also I'm a woman who

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Speaker 1: lives in a marginalized world no matter how successful I am,

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Speaker 1: and I know what I have seen and what I've

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Speaker 1: lived through. And the two don't drive. Two things can

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Speaker 1: be true, they really can and not go together at

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Speaker 1: the same time. Chee's wise, that's heavy. Do something. Contact

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Speaker 1: your local congressman, write a letter, tell your kids, talk

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Speaker 1: to it, about your friends. Educate yourself on what is

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Speaker 1: happening in our country because no one is paying attention,

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Speaker 1: and while we sleep on the job, laws are being

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Speaker 1: put in place to change how we live in this country,

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Speaker 1: to change how your children live in this country, to

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Speaker 1: change how what freedom do you think you have may

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Speaker 1: be taken away. That's what's happening. And I'm not exaggerating.

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Speaker 1: I'm ringing the alarm and I hope you're listening. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for taking time out fast forwarding through those commercials. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate that too, just getting to the juicy stuff. Thanks

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Speaker 1: were listening to this edition of Naked Back next week