1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to Tuesdays that this is a big bloo kickoff 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: live here on Giants dot Com. He's Paul Tino. I'm 3 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Lance met I hope everybody had a RESTful and relaxell 4 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: Memorial Day weekend. The Giants back to work. O t 5 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: A number four. We will recap everything that came out 6 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: of that practice. Pat Shermer spoke to the medium moments ago, 7 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: so we'll get into that. Plus your phone calls at 8 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: two five, one three. You can also interact with us 9 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: on Twitter using hashtag Giants Chat. So the biggest news 10 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: out of today's practice probably the fact that rookie and 11 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 1: corner Corey Ballantine returned to practice. In terms of team reps, Paul, 12 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: he had been doing some individual work, but it was 13 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: good to see him take part in the team facet 14 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: of practice for the first time. And Pat Sherman, when 15 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: he spoke to the media, said that was an encouraging step. 16 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: He has said that he's continued to make progress each 17 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: and every day, so that is certainly something to look 18 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: forward to here moving forward. Well, you guys will remember 19 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: he's the rookie had of Washburn who was unfortunately shot 20 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: in the glute uh during the course of the off 21 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: season during a an accident and a shooting, which of 22 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: course he was not implicated in. Let's make that very clear. 23 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: Uh So he gets to the Giants a little bit 24 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: later than the rest of the folks because the organization said, 25 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: take all the time you need to heal mentally and 26 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: physically and emotionally. Remember his friend was fatally shot in 27 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: that shooting. So Balantine, Um, you know, I was able 28 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: to reorganize himself and and and get things together at home, 29 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: did show up to the Giants about a week later 30 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: than the other rookies did, and subsequently has slowly worked 31 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: himself into the rotation here at practice. Now you mentioned 32 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: today he got his first taste of team reps, which 33 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: Shermer alluded to and said, look, he's coming along. But 34 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: to this point he's moving well, and you know, he's 35 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: looking pretty good. But again, there's such a long way 36 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: to go, and they're not going to rush him in 37 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: any shape or form. Not only is there no reason 38 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: to because we're still so early in the year, but 39 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: look at the number of candidates the Giants have at corner. 40 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: With Love and with with Baker and with obviously Jenkins 41 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: is is the grandfather of the group. And then you know, 42 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 1: you look at um at Beal. I mean, even Antonio 43 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: Hamilton's getting a lot of reps out there at corner, 44 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: the special teamer from last season, and so is Tony Lippett, 45 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: just hurt for the majority of last year recovering from 46 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: They have so many guys out there right now to 47 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: try to get reps from. There's really no impetus to 48 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: rush Balantine into that rotation and say, look, let's just 49 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,519 Speaker 1: throw you into the deep end of the pool. Let 50 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 1: the guy take his time, let it develop naturally. And 51 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: so I'm on board with with coach Shermer's philosophy here. Uh, 52 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: I do think that Balantine. We can see he's definitely 53 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: in shape, and he does seem to be very quick. 54 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: Now he does not. He's not nearly as big or 55 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: as long as lip It or as Beal. Okay, he's 56 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: not very thick, but he looks very agile and athletic. 57 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,119 Speaker 1: And of course that's what the Giants really liked about 58 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: him at Washburn. Well, he was a track guy. I mean, 59 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: he was a standout on the track. That was what 60 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: was extremely appealing to him as a football player because 61 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: he figured, hey, my skill set on the track concernedly 62 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: translate to the gridiron given what he did from a 63 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: special team standpoint. So the Giants are hoping that athleticism, 64 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: as you just laid out, Paul, is also going to 65 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: translate to the NFL level. But I'm with you, there 66 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: are so much youth in that cornerback room that if 67 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: Balantine was gonna miss some time, you knew, Okay, we're 68 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: gonna get a closer look at somebody else, and we're 69 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: gonna put him onto the magnifying glass to determine what 70 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: he could bring to the table. Now it's Valentine's turn 71 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: to play catch up and to get back in the mix. 72 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: And every single day it seems like another corner is 73 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: making a play. So I think that's a good sign 74 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: the fact that the competition and is already evident. Paul, 75 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: considering there's so many young, unproven commodities within that position, Well, 76 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna point to two guys in particular who I 77 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: just think just we're terrific today in the rain, by 78 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: the way, steady rain from most of practice they were 79 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: outside on the grass field. Sam Beale continues to impress me, 80 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: and I can't say enough about him. Every time I 81 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: see Sam Beale on the field, he is making a play, 82 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: he's blanketing a receiver, he's knocking a ball down, he's 83 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: coming up with an interception. He's right there to immediately 84 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: make the hit, which they can't do, so he doesn't 85 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: make the hit, but philosophy walk position making the hit 86 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: every time a guy catches the ball. He's He's really 87 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: been very, very impressive. And I also thought that the 88 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: Julian Love had his best day, very very good coverage, 89 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: recovered a fumble, you know, playing slot. Okay, that that's 90 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: that's where they want to you know, and showed him 91 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: right now, and uh, that was good to see too. Yeah, 92 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: I'm with you. That's why to me, it's a fun 93 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: position group to watch because, like you said, you know, 94 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: you really don't know what you're gonna get out of 95 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: this group, and every day somebody at least flashes and 96 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: Love today I think was one of the standout guys. Biel. 97 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: Right when O t A started, you knew this kid 98 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: was ready to play. And you can imagine how much 99 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: he was itching again on the field, considering all of 100 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: last year that he was sidelined. Lip it I think 101 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: has really looked good as he's trying to get his 102 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: legs back under him after really being sidelined for the 103 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: majority of last season and even some of two thousand seventeen. 104 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: So the competition is there, and now we're gonna see 105 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: once training camp comes around the right once they put 106 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: the pads on, was this a flash or was this 107 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: basically a sign of what's yet to come? So I 108 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: think encouraging results already out of the cornerback group. And 109 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: you brought up the rain factor, and you know, part 110 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: of me was wondering, Paul, would Pat Shermer elect once 111 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: the rain was starting to come down heavy, would he 112 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: take them inside? Because the last thing you want to 113 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: do is see somebody get hurt, and you don't want to, 114 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: God forbid, see somebody go down this early in the 115 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 1: off season program. But when he spoke to the media 116 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: after one of the things he emphasized was, hey, we 117 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: played a lot of games in the rain last year, 118 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: so there's nothing wrong with exposing this group. Well, they do. 119 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna emphasize it again because I think most 120 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: people are thinking about the health factor. Why expose your 121 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: team to the rain, But remember this is the time 122 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 1: of the year. Also that you want to try to 123 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,119 Speaker 1: maximize what you're gonna get out of these practices, knowing 124 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: that there's no contact, there's no pads, okay, so you 125 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: say to yourself, hey, it's raining. We played a lot 126 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: of games in the rain. A lot of these young 127 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: guys may have not been exposed to that type of weather. 128 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: It doesn't hurt, so that they can get a feel 129 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: for what it's gonna be like. Because in the NFL, 130 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: unlike some of these other professional sports like baseball, for example, 131 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: the game doesn't stop because mother nature is not cooperating. 132 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: Barring lightning. You gotta play through this, and that was 133 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 1: one of the first things that Shermer mentioned when he 134 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: spoke to the media. It was good to see what 135 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks could do with these wet conditions, as well 136 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: as everybody else running around. So for anybody that wants 137 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: to throw out the health factor and running a fine 138 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: line in terms of what may happen if God bid, 139 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: some gets hurt, they certainly were watching out for that, 140 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: but they felt there was value in seeing what the 141 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: guys could do out in the wet conditions. I don't 142 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: think there's anything wrong with having that philosophy. No, not 143 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: at all. And let's face it, okay, uh, the rain 144 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: or the weather man, however you want to describe it, 145 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: they don't give two craps about not at all. But 146 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: pretty much what I said team preparations, they just don't. 147 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: I mean, look, here's what I will say. Okay, there's 148 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: one thing that they need to learn about some of 149 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: these guys during these spring practices, and that's about mental approach. Okay, 150 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: if you see a guy out there, a rookie in particular, 151 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the veterans, because they know about 152 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: the veterans here, but a rookie. Let's one of these 153 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: undrafted free agents who's trying to make the team right 154 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: because remember there's there's nearly ninety guys on this roster 155 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: right now. If they go out there in the middle 156 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: of the rain and they see a guy being distracted 157 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: and not being mentally focused and not doing exactly what 158 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: he's supposed to do, because it's it's it's it's a 159 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: problem for him that gets noted. That's that's gonna be 160 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: a little black mark on his name as they continue 161 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: to move forward, because there's no room for guys who 162 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: get easily distracted by anything. You know this this this 163 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: is a this is a job, this is a business. 164 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: This is all about production and winning. And if you 165 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: don't have the mental toughness to get through some nasty 166 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: weather during a spring walk through, for lack of a 167 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: better term, then what's the odds you're gonna be able 168 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: to hold up during tougher condition and during the season 169 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,719 Speaker 1: where there's contact, where there's a lot more on the line. No. 170 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: I think it's a valid point. So it's a good 171 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: test for any player, veteran middle of the pack guy 172 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: as well as a young guy just entering the league, 173 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: to see, Okay, you know what, they responded very well 174 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: to unfriendly conditions, showed their competitive spirit, competitive level. So 175 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: if they can handle that, then you know what, come 176 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: week two, week three, if we're in a rainy condition 177 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: on the road or even at home, I would not 178 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: doubt whether or not that player could go out and 179 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: perform at a high level. So I think that's the mindset, 180 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: certainly of the coaching staff. You're tuning into Big Blue 181 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: Kickoff Live. There's Tuesday's edition as always presented by Corps 182 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: l O t A number four in the books, Lance 183 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: mettal Paulatino with you. We're recapping what went on at practice. 184 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna open up the phone lines as well as 185 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: we take you up till one pm Eastern. They will 186 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: have another practice tomorrow. Pat Shermer mentioned that one of 187 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: the note before correct no media, but they are going 188 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: to practice is he continues to be impressed with the 189 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: community occation of the safety group, specifically Antoine Bethet and 190 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: Jabril Peppers, and likes what he sees already on the 191 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: field in terms of them being on the same page 192 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: and understand how to read the offense and be They 193 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: made a number of key plays again today, he's been 194 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: extremely active, and you've got a veteran player and Peppers 195 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: entering his third year, and neither of these guys have 196 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: ever played with one another, So you know that, to 197 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: me is something you also look to work out at 198 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: this stage in the off season program. Summer explained himself 199 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 1: by saying, usually when you have this type of situation, 200 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: there'll be one safety who takes the lead more than 201 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: the other guy. But he said, both of these guys 202 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:43,959 Speaker 1: have taken turns taking the lead. But they fourteenth year 203 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: in the league coming up in September Peppers his third 204 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: year in the league as they approach opening day, And 205 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: that's pretty impressive to me because one would think that 206 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: Bethet would take the lead and Peppers would probably be 207 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: the puppy dog to follow. But that's not the case. Obviously. 208 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: Peppers is a very astute young man, very excited to 209 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: be playing at home again. Let's let's not forget and 210 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: we can't say this enough. This is a big deal 211 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: for Jabril Peppers, who when he came out of high 212 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: school here in New Jersey was the number one high 213 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: school recruit in the country and went to Michigan, had 214 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: a stellar career, was a number one draft choice. But 215 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: now after playing in the um less than spectacular, headline 216 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: grabbing city of Cleveland, that's one way to put it. 217 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: He is now back home in the New York City 218 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: Spotlight and starting as part of the Odell Beckham Junior trade. 219 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 1: This guy is really pumped up and and I might 220 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: add I've talked to him. He's got a tremendous amount 221 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 1: of confidence and he's really looking forward to proving all 222 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: the doubters and critics wrong. Who suggests that maybe you 223 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: know what he's got deficiencies, He's only a box safety 224 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: he can't cover. That's some of the stuff that he 225 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:09,119 Speaker 1: has heard. And Schumer has put him in coverage alignments. 226 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: Betcher and Shermer both have put him in coverage alignments. 227 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: Out here doing O T A S and he's all 228 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: over it. He had a pass that he knocked down 229 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: today on the very active He looked like a corner. So, 230 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: you know, it's really good to see this. This This 231 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: guy wants to show his chops and I think that's 232 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: a really good thing for the Giants. And on top 233 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: of that, he's also taking part in special teams workout 234 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: so you know they punt return. Yeah, he's been heavily 235 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 1: involved in that group as they rotate some of the players, 236 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: but Peppers is a front and center with respect to 237 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: that rotation. Two zero five one three. That is the 238 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: telephone number. Let's open up the phone lines here. Tuesday's 239 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: that they should a Big Blue kick Off Live. Phil 240 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: is in North Carolina. He gets things going. Phil, Welcome 241 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: to the Big Blue keg Off Live. What do you 242 00:12:53,640 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: got for us? Right? YEA great great. I always call 243 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: about draft strategies because you know, I feel like this 244 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: is why we're in the last place in our division 245 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: is because of our draft strategy. Um and particularly you know, 246 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: I harp on the issue of you know, not drafting 247 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: a certain positions in the first round, like running back 248 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: and tight end. I think you can get them later. 249 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: And what I'm interested in is actually looking at the 250 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: stats in terms of the Eagles and the Cowboys in particular. 251 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: You know, where are they where are they drafting over 252 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 1: the last ten years? Where are they drafting their positions? 253 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,959 Speaker 1: And I can I can almost betch it. It's almost 254 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: all majority of defensive line, offensive line and maybe some linebackers, 255 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: uh you know, going in there, but that's where most 256 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: of them are are drafting. And our lines are just 257 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: not stacked up to theirs. You know. Until our lines 258 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: are comparable to theirs, we're gonna have a tough time 259 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: beating them. And that's that's who we have to be 260 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: concerned with. So um anyway, that's my position. I wish 261 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: someone in in our management would would share that philosophy. 262 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: Uh and uh So, anyway, I'm interested in your perspectives. Well, 263 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: keep in mind, phil remember Dave Gentleman has only been 264 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: on the job for you know, two seasons we're talking 265 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: about now, so you know, he now has an opportunity 266 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: to implement his philosophy compared to what the previous regime did. 267 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: So when you're referring to the Giants draft history, I 268 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: get your point, But the guy who was in control 269 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: of the majority of those drafts is no longer here 270 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: with the organization as well as some of the individuals 271 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: within the college scouting department. So you know, there could 272 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: very well be a change in philosophy and a change 273 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: in direction given the fact that a new person is 274 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: running things. And when you don't draft or emphasize those 275 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: facets that you're talking about, it's important to make up 276 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: for it, either with undrafted players or through free agency. 277 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: So that the reason why they acquired Kevin Zeitler and 278 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: now they just brought in Mike Remembers because of to 279 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: your point, what they've been lacking on the offensive line 280 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: over the last few years. As far as the defensive 281 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: line is concerned, Yeah, there's a team that had thirty 282 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: sacks last season. We've been talking about it all off season. 283 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: There's a lot of young guys now in the mix. 284 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: Marcus Golden, to me, is a huge player that could 285 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: very well have a huge impact on this team if 286 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: he could get back to the level of when he 287 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: had twelve and a half sacks two years ago before 288 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: the torn a c L. But yeah, it's fair to 289 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: say there's some question marks in terms of how consistently 290 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: this team is going to get after the quarterback. I 291 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: don't disagree with that at all, and appreciate the phone call. Yeah, okay, 292 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: you gotta film one more thing, one more thing about 293 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: drafting uh up, So drafting down? You know, I think 294 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: we shouldn't, you know, drafting down. I think this show 295 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: is more prudent than drafting up, um, and so that's 296 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: another thing I wish we would do more. Okay, listen off, 297 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: thank you all. I phil appreciate the phone call. Drafting up. Mike. 298 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: Takeaway is I think he talks about moving down and 299 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: moving up that that's what I think he was trying 300 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: to compare there. But listen, Dave Gettleman's very active on 301 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: the trade market, whether it be through the draft or 302 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: just through bringing in veteran players. So I mean the 303 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: amount of moves that he's made, Paul, I don't have 304 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: the exact numbers in front of me. I've been meaning 305 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: to do it and I will do it at this point. 306 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: Sometime this offseason. But I mean, what he's done in 307 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: a short period of time compared to you could argue 308 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: what Jerry rees did during his whole tenure. I mean, 309 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: I'm fair to say that Gettleman's probably matched the number 310 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: of trades Jerry Reasons put together. No, isn't isn't that fair? 311 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: Just on the surface. Let's put it this way, the 312 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: two most active GMS in terms of dealing pics and 313 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: moving up or moving down for me would be a 314 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: Corsi and Gettleman. Jerry Reese was a little bit less 315 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: likely to do that than those two guys, and George 316 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: Young a lot less likely to do it than those 317 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: other guys. But you know, I've been through only four 318 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: g MS, and you know, I guess Giants haven't had 319 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: many of French. Some organizations have been more than that. 320 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,719 Speaker 1: You know, you have a better sample size. But uh, 321 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 1: you know, both George Young and Jerry Reese and and 322 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: even of Corsie that they had some lengthy stays here. 323 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: So in any event, yeah, and that's why I mean, 324 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: I wouldn't you know, read too much into also the 325 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: philosophy of you know, teams that moved down versus move up. 326 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: In the draft automatically indicates tremendous success. I would say 327 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 1: most teams that tend to move up are probably going 328 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 1: after a quarterback. That seems to be the generic trend. 329 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: The Broncos and the Steelers made a trade this year 330 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: as I'm reliving what transpired in two thousand nineteen, and 331 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh moved up to greb a linebacker to replace Ryan 332 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: shays Ere So that to me is more of a 333 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: rare move. The Saints also moved up to grab Davenport 334 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: a year ago, and you know they gave up a 335 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: lot of assets for that, So I'm not to say 336 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: that those teams are not doing well. The Saints of 337 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: the Steelers have had pretty good track records making the postseason. 338 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 1: But there's always risk involved because you're giving up future 339 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: assets in future drafts that you're gonna hope you don't 340 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: lose out on, because they could probably help round out 341 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: the rest of your roster, especially if you have other 342 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 1: needs and other holes to plug. Moving forward, here to zero, one, five, 343 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: one three is the telephone number. Let's head back to 344 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: the lines. We've got Dave and Cranford. Dave, welcome to 345 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: the program. To gaff Us Lands and Paul. Great to 346 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: talk to you guys. I I just wanted to kind 347 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: of re emphasize what you were saying about the safety 348 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: position and and and I think it's a big deal, 349 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: and you guys both know. I think one of those 350 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: things that can kind of get lost in terms of 351 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,479 Speaker 1: what the Giants are trying to accomplish is really you know, 352 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: you look at the at the Patriots, and you look 353 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: at their success, and there's a lot of reasons for it, 354 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 1: but one of the things that they're able to do 355 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: better than most is fine players that fit their scheme. 356 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: So it's not just about finding, you know, a great player, 357 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: but it's how does that player actually fit to the scheme. 358 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: And I think what you're seeing with the Giants now 359 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: is that, you know, to your point, in terms of 360 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: how much time they've had, which hasn't done a lot, 361 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: they're trying to find players that actually fit the scheme, 362 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: both offensively and defensively. And and that's where I think 363 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: when you look at the safeties as a combination of 364 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: the two, where it's not just Peppers as it relates 365 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 1: who's better than you know, as columns better than Peppers, 366 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: or it's really Peppers and Basia as it relates to 367 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: how they play together with each other as well as 368 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: with the you know, with the corners and I and 369 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: I think that's what you're seeing. And and it's funny 370 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: because the Giants can be on one side looked at 371 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 1: as old fashioned um in some ways, maybe they are. 372 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think that's necessarily a bad thing, but 373 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,360 Speaker 1: they're very cutting edge right now because there's a lot 374 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: more statistics out there that because of the way the 375 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 1: offenses have have schemed and how quickly quarterbacks are geting 376 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: rid of the ball, you have to cover. And if 377 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: you can't cover, um, you know, a Brady and a 378 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: breeze and and just the rest of the offensive schemes, 379 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: they simply get the ball out too fast where where 380 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: they can neutralize a pass rush. And now they both 381 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: work in concert. But I would just like to get 382 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: your guys comments on on those things. Well, Dave, the 383 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: first thing that I would say is regarding the safeties, 384 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: Landon Collins to me is the best box safety of 385 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: his time. In fact, he's probably the best box safety 386 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: the NFL has seen in the last decade. I still 387 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: believe that. Okay, now, for whatever deficiencies he has in 388 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 1: his game in terms of his overall ability to cover 389 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: the field and man up against shifty tight ends. If 390 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: you've got another safety who can work in conjunction with 391 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: him and do it really, really well, well, now you've 392 00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: got a couple of safeties who are going to lead 393 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: you you in a in a very productive defense. So 394 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: I agree with your point because the fact of the 395 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: matter is landed. Collins did not play with a high 396 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 1: level free safety last year. In fact, he played with 397 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 1: a free safety was probably one of the least productive 398 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: in the NFL, and you could argue not only not 399 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: not very much production, but was a detriment to the 400 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: team in many ways because of all of the mistakes 401 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: that were made that led to big plays, not just 402 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: physical but mental as well. So that has an impact 403 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 1: on what you perceive Collins's overall value to be. Now, 404 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: there's no doubt in my mind that Collins being the 405 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: best box safety in the NFL. He certainly has advantages 406 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 1: and edges over Jabrill Peppers. Let's not kid ourselves. In 407 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: some ways he's much better than Jabrill Peppers, But what 408 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: does Jabrill Peppers bring you and in conjec function with 409 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: Antoine Bathet, So I'm totally on board with your point. 410 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: But they is a very intelligent, very very very very 411 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: very smart football player who at least is going to 412 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:16,719 Speaker 1: make sure all of the mental stuff is correct. Secondly, 413 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: he is going to work well off of Peppers, because 414 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: what we know about Peppers is that the one edge 415 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 1: he does have over Landon Collins is his speed and 416 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: quickness and athleticism. He there's no question in that regard, 417 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: he has an edge over Collins. And when you put 418 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: those two safeties now combined together, the Giants up the middle, 419 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: at least in the secondary are going to be much 420 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: stronger as a unit than they ever could have been 421 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: last year with Riley and Collins. And that is not 422 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: a knock on Landon Collins. Keeping my Curtis Riley also 423 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: as a converted corner correct, You not only put an 424 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: inexperienced I compared to what some other safeties have dealt with, 425 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: but you also gave Landon Collins, a guy that really 426 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: hasn't played the safety position very long in his career 427 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: before last season. So you know, yeah, that mix certainly 428 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 1: I think has an impact on one of the players. 429 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: Antoine Bethet, who you were bringing up Dave. You know, 430 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: keep in mind also if you go back to his 431 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: Colts tenure, which is where he spent the majority of 432 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: his career, going back to when he was initially brought 433 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: into league, they moved him around free safety, strong safety. 434 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,959 Speaker 1: I mean, they didn't keep him at one position depending 435 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 1: on who they brought in to compliment him. So he's 436 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: got a lot of experience being moved around. And you know, 437 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: James Bechel last year was inheriting a roster, so is 438 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 1: Dave Gettleman that he knew Listen, there was no way 439 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 1: they were gonna be able to turn over the entire 440 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,719 Speaker 1: defense Paul. So now with another off season under their belts, 441 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: now James Betcher is bringing in, to the caller's point, 442 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: more players that are fit for his scheme. That's why 443 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: Marcus Golden was brought in. Karee Martin is already here. 444 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: We mentioned Antoine Bethet, he also has a track record 445 00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: with him. And then all of the guys that their 446 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: draft lifting. The O'Shane Zimmonez is the dexter Lawrence is 447 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: with the intent that they also can fit well into 448 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 1: the scheme. So I think the encouraging aspect entering this 449 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 1: offseason compared to last year is better and Getleman, I 450 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,120 Speaker 1: think have a better grasp of what they need out 451 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 1: of this group, more so than what they were working 452 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 1: with last year, when they were pretty much saying, hey, 453 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 1: we'll work with what we got, but there's only so 454 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 1: much turnover we can do considering we just got here. 455 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: And I think Paul you absolutely guys, and Paul you've 456 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: made the point just in terms of a defense, you know, 457 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 1: taking time to to gel. I was reading on giants 458 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: dot Com some of your comments about, you know, where 459 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: the toughest stretch of the of the games were, and 460 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: I thought, Paul, you were a little bit outside the box, 461 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,199 Speaker 1: but a good point, which was the first couple of games, 462 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: just because you're talking about, you know, people catching up 463 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: up to speed, which I agree with. The only thing 464 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: that I would add is that one of the benefits 465 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: of Betcher bringing in a player, a player to say 466 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: Golden you know, um Olson, Pierre and you know guys 467 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: like that, is that, while you know there's I'm sure 468 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: some new wrinkles, they all get that scheme and they're 469 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: familiar with that scheme. And I think so the ability 470 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: to bring in new talent but talent that actually, you know, 471 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: I'm hoping that part of the benefit of that would 472 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: be that they're able to play a little bit faster 473 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 1: and and you know, have a have a bigger impact 474 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 1: earlier in the season, you would hope. So now, it 475 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: didn't work well last year because Morrow was suspended. Uh 476 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: Kareem Martin just had a very quiet season if you'd 477 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: ask me, and William Gay of course didn't even make 478 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 1: it to the regular season roster. So you know, the 479 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: guys still have to be able to play. I mean, 480 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: it's not just all about knowing the system. That's a 481 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: big part of it, but you still got to go 482 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: out there and produce on the field. Paul, Hey, guys, 483 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: thanks for the call of the best show in the business. 484 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks for tuning in, Thanks for the phone call. Yeah, 485 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 1: I think you bring up a fair point, Paul. Listen, 486 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: it's nice on paper and this is the time of 487 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 1: the year where we don't have much to evaluate, so 488 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: we look on paper and the storyline of familiarity certainly 489 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 1: comes into play, and I think that's a positive. But 490 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, Hey, it's great, you 491 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: know the scheme, it's great you and Betcher have had 492 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: an opportunity to get to know one another and understand 493 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: the philosophy of the defense. If guys are not in 494 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: the right position, all that familiarity stuff you could throw 495 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: out the window. It really doesn't mean much of anything. 496 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: And we're gonna tell a lot in the first few 497 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 1: weeks of the season. I just think the difference between 498 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: the familiarity storyline this year versus last year, Paul is 499 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 1: I think there are more veterans on this roster that 500 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: have been extremely productive in Betcher scheme. That's one thing 501 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 1: that I think comes to mind. And I think the 502 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: other thing is you're also talking about a few players 503 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: that have pretty good tracker Because, like Antoine Biffet, I 504 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: brought up his Colts tenure. Now, this is not his 505 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: first rodeo. He's been in a variety of d fenses. 506 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 1: He understands what it means to adapt to a new scheme. 507 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna help him immensely that he has 508 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: been with James Betcher's scheme. But let's not make it 509 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: sound like the two of them cross paths for decades. 510 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 1: You know, they were only overlapped there for about a 511 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,719 Speaker 1: season in Arizona, so I just think the fact that 512 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: he has been exposed to a variety of different teammates 513 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,959 Speaker 1: at the safety position, He's been exposed to a variety 514 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: of different schemes I think helps Jabril Peppers and also 515 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: helps him Compared to what we were just talking about earlier, 516 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 1: Curtis Riley was a corner. Curtis Riley was not a 517 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: player that had gotten a lot of reps at safety. 518 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: So there is a completely different lens that Antoine Bethey 519 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 1: brings to this team compared to what Curtis Riley brings 520 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: to the team. And I think that alone, the experience 521 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: factor is a huge advantage for Betcher as well as 522 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: the Giants defense, regardless of whether or not he's been 523 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: with James Betcher down the road. It's a fair point. 524 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: I mean, look, here's the bottom line. No matter what 525 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 1: scheme has drawn up, Okay, the Giants players themselves are 526 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 1: going to have to be comfortable with what is that 527 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: they're doing. And that's why when the caller mentioned the 528 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: question that we had on on Giants dot Com, and 529 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: I had answered, you know to me the first four 530 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: games of the season, because look, I remember what happened 531 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 1: when Spags came in and you had a bunch of 532 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: veterans on that team. But because they didn't know the 533 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: scheme right away. You know, this wasn't about youth or experience. 534 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: This was about guys not feeling comfortable with what they 535 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: were doing, understanding where so and so is gonna be. 536 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: Do you have my back? I got your back. I 537 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: can take a chance on this because I know you're 538 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: gonna be there to cover it up. The the comfort 539 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: level with everything that's moving at once on the field 540 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: is the most important factor above all of this stuff. 541 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: So you could say that you know the scheme, yeah, 542 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: but if the guy next to you doesn't know it, 543 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: guess what it's abust the coverage of course. So so 544 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: they all have to have it in unison, and they 545 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: all have to be looking at each other's back and 546 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: understanding where each other is going to be. And that 547 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: is even more important, to be perfectly frank with you, 548 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: then bringing in a guy from another place where one 549 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: of your coaches already has coached. So we will see 550 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: how long it takes for the Giants to do that. 551 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: I want to get to one uh Twitter comment, Clayton 552 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: Harding says this draft had more trades than any in 553 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: NFL history. Forty we only made one despite having twelve 554 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: picks to work with. I think we were too conservative 555 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: and should have traded up into the second or third 556 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: rounds when most of the best players were taken by 557 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: other teams. So says Clayton Harden fourteen. Uh, I think 558 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: you have to look at this and say, well, as 559 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned, Dave Gettleman already made a huge 560 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: trade involving draft picks when he made the deal with 561 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: Cleveland before the draft started, So you have to count 562 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: that one. And by the way, that was a nuclear warhead. 563 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: It was a huge deal moves, so you have to 564 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: include that as part of his draft trade scorecard. Then 565 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: he goes and makes a trade to sneak up into 566 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: the bottom of the first round to go get DeAndre Baker, 567 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: who very well maybe the press best press cover corner 568 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: in this draft. So I would I would tell you, Clayton, 569 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: I think I think you're mistaken on this one, because 570 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: both of those trades, which involved two thousand nineteen draft choices, 571 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: were extremely significant. Well, I would also throw in the 572 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: Sam Bill transaction in there, two, Paul, because that involved 573 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: this year's draft class as well. So I think it's 574 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: three transactions. It's the Sam Beale supplemental pick, as you mentioned, 575 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: It's the Odell Beckham Olivier Vernon deal you want to 576 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: treat his two separate ones one makes no difference to 577 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: be and then the DeAndre Baker move. So there were 578 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: really three moves in which you use draft pieces from 579 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen to bring in personnel. That's the best 580 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: way that I would look at it, and only one 581 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: of them actually happened during the course of the draft. 582 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: And I also think in fairness, just because some records 583 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: are set and you weren't as an aggressive team as 584 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: perhaps the rest of the league doesn't mean that you're 585 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: wrong for that. I mean, that's the old story. If 586 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: everybody jumps off the bridge, should you follow, you know? 587 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: I mean you can't necessarily say, well, you know, these 588 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: two other gms in my division were very aggressive. That 589 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: means we're not doing something right. I don't think he 590 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: should have that philosophy. The other thing he's got to 591 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,239 Speaker 1: keep in mind, okay, is that when you look at 592 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: what the Giants did, they had ten draft choices that 593 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: they actually used, and they used seven of those ten 594 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: on defense to reinforce a defense that did not play 595 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: well last season. They got a lot of numbers on defense, 596 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: which quite frankly, is what they needed. They needed quantity 597 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: on defense because they had so many holes on that unit. 598 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: Just making the d ill and packaging it for one 599 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: player was not going to fill all the holes. The 600 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: day was still gonna be spreaking, springing a lot of 601 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: leaks in this case, to grab seven defensive rookies. Boy, 602 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. There's a real chance that six 603 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: of those seven defensive rookies. I'm thinking Slaton might be 604 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 1: practice squad, But I bet you the other six defensive 605 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: rookies all make the fifty three. So to knock that 606 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: would be foolish. Lawrence Baker, Ziminez Love. I mean those 607 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: four guys, I think every lock is pretty much indicating 608 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: that they'll be part of the fifty three. Connolly, you know, 609 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: we'll see what he brings to training camp, but exactly 610 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: he makes special teams usage combined with defense, I think 611 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: boats very well for him. Corey Ballantine, We'll see how 612 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: he recovers along the way. Unless something unforeseen happens with him, 613 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: you'd have to give him a good shot. Yeah. Well, 614 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: and here's the other thing, considering that changes at cornerback, 615 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: forget the rest of the roster and the fact that 616 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: Genora's Jenkins. I've brought this up multiple times. Genor's Jenkins, 617 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: Grant Haley, and Tony Lippett Paul are the only three 618 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: corners on this year's roster that got defensive snaps last year. 619 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: Doesn't mean they got a boatload of defensive snaps. It 620 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: just means they had some presence on the field when 621 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 1: the Giants are running their defense. That's it. Everybody else 622 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: is completely brand new to this defense. So that alone, 623 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: I think makes it very promising for anybody that is 624 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: a rookie or an undrafted rookie who plays the cornerback 625 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: position to say, hey, I've got a legitimate shot to 626 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: solidify a roster spot because look at my competition. My 627 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,719 Speaker 1: competition is Genora's Jenkins. Fine, but outside of Genera's Jenkins 628 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: is Tony lipping and Grant Haley. Are they locks? Paul? 629 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: Would you treat them as locks? I would not treat 630 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: them as locks. Although I think Hailey has a pretty 631 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: but he's got a strong foothold and he should have 632 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: a leg up because he's been in the system, and 633 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: he did more than flash at the tal end of 634 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: last season. So if you want to say he's got 635 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: an edge, that's fine. I would not so consider him 636 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: a lock. So when you look at the landscape of 637 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: the cornerback position, if I'm a young corner I'm saying 638 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: to myself, if I go out every day, I leave 639 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 1: it all out on the line, that's extremely encouraging that 640 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to make an indent on this roster and 641 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 1: I'm in all likelihood going to give them a reason 642 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: to keep me on the fifty three. So when you 643 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,320 Speaker 1: take that into consideration, I think that's a huge plus. 644 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: But I do think it is fair to bring in 645 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: the rest of the league in comparison to the Giants. 646 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: I think perspective is important. The other thing that I 647 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: would add to the Twitter statement is, Paul, remember you're 648 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: only gonna have an opportunity to package sevens and sixes 649 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: and move up so high a seven and a few sixes. 650 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,240 Speaker 1: If you think that's gonna get you to the third round, 651 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 1: come on, let's let's get get you to the third round. 652 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: Let's get to the other point which has been totally 653 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,879 Speaker 1: left off the board. Here, and that is you have 654 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: no idea how many conversations they've get. Woman may have 655 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,800 Speaker 1: had to try to make other moves, and that's relevant, 656 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: I mean, but but I'm just looking at it realistically. 657 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: But to criticize him by saying, oh, he didn't make 658 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: enough moves, that's a ridiculous statement because you don't know 659 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: what his efforts were. All the conversations happen behind closed doors. 660 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: You certainly don't know what would have taken place or 661 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 1: what was close to at least coming through two zero five, 662 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: one three, Big Blue Kickoff Live presented by cores Light. 663 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,840 Speaker 1: We got Clay now on the line in Brooklyn. You 664 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 1: read his tweet and all of a sudden he wants 665 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 1: to respond, let's happen to Hey, guys, are you doing 666 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,439 Speaker 1: I'm not thinking that personally to say that, um, yeah, 667 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 1: this is definitely was a draft where a lot of 668 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: crates happen. And that's the point I was trying to make. 669 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: And I don't agree that it only would have been 670 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,959 Speaker 1: sixes and sevens that you move up with. I think 671 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: that you know, we had some players, some veterans that 672 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: we also probably could have sought the trade. But there's 673 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,360 Speaker 1: a good point just now that we don't know what 674 00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 1: called we're happening behind the scenes. We don't know what 675 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 1: Gentleman tried to do the gigging work. But people like 676 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 1: Karen Martin, like Alibo, you know, we we've been talking 677 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,240 Speaker 1: with them, you know, for months, um that we probably 678 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 1: need to get more production out of those two positions. Um. 679 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: And again, I don't expect the lead to give us, 680 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,840 Speaker 1: you know, first round draft picks of those guys, but 681 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: I do think there's some combination of three fifth round picks, 682 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: you know, two sixes and a seven, and some of 683 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 1: those guys might have gotten us up into that voice 684 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,479 Speaker 1: between pick thirty, which I think is where we lost 685 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: the draft. You know what, Clay, I think the most 686 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,799 Speaker 1: important thing that the Giants were able to do early 687 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,359 Speaker 1: in this offseason. And you heard me talk about this 688 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: way back when I think in November I was even 689 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 1: talking about it. I said, you know what, there's no 690 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: way that Dave Gedleman is going to go through the 691 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 1: draft with that cavern in the third round because he 692 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 1: had traded the supplemental pick, remember, by taking Beal, he 693 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 1: had lost his third rounder. And I had said about 694 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,919 Speaker 1: five hundred thousand times he's never going to go into 695 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,720 Speaker 1: the draft that way, right. Do you remember we saying 696 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 1: that he he he's going to fill that void. He's 697 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: going to get something in there so that he's not 698 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,319 Speaker 1: twiddling his thumbs. And he did, And to me, that 699 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: was the most important of the moves that he made. 700 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 1: And then the second most important movie made was to 701 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,839 Speaker 1: get into the first round to Grant Baker. By the way, 702 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: the third round pick turns out to be the X 703 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 1: man uh Zimmonetz, who we don't know right now, I mean, 704 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 1: ultimating guy seems to have a lot of promise, a 705 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 1: lot of potential. Who knows if he turns out to 706 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 1: be a double digits that guy. Wow, you know, that 707 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 1: trade involving the Browns to bring home that third round 708 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,359 Speaker 1: pick will turn out to be a lot more significant 709 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 1: than even we think right now. Listen, I'm a big 710 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 1: O'Dell fan, as big as anybody, but I think we 711 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,839 Speaker 1: got more than we should have expected for him, well, 712 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,240 Speaker 1: based on market value of other trades of star players, 713 00:37:53,320 --> 00:38:00,359 Speaker 1: especially receivers. You're right, and Mari Cooper, I mean all 714 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 1: those people who are on O'Dell's level, but he got 715 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,319 Speaker 1: back for them. I think we did fine. I think 716 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,319 Speaker 1: Peppers is going to be great. I think that if 717 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: we had kept Landing Colins and and convinced him and listen, 718 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 1: you guys are at the building every day. I'm not 719 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: I have no idea what Landing Columns mindset is, but 720 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: for what it seems like as a fan looking at 721 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 1: his tweets and everything, it seems like he really wanted 722 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,360 Speaker 1: to stay here. So if we had said to him, listen, 723 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: we want you to move the inside linebacker where instead 724 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 1: of being one of the slowest safeties in the league, 725 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,720 Speaker 1: now he's one of the fastest inside linebackers in the league, 726 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 1: especially on third down. You know, maybe instead of having 727 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: um Old Tree and um B J. Goodson trying a 728 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 1: couple of people out of that field, we have Colins 729 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,440 Speaker 1: at inside linebacker in addition to Peppers. In addition to that, 730 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: to me is how you get up to feel one 731 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 1: third down? We have to have better COVERI from ours. 732 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,400 Speaker 1: Here's the one thing. Here's the one thing you got 733 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: to remember. This is not a maddened video game. And 734 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: why do I say that. I say that because you 735 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 1: have salary cap implications. Okay, a lot of contractual things 736 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 1: handcuff you from doing things you may want to do strategically, 737 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 1: and then of course you'll also have injuries which play 738 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 1: into things as well. I mean, the Giants were hoping 739 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:20,279 Speaker 1: to get healthier, younger, quicker, and more economically efficient. And 740 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 1: you couldn't have done any of those things if you 741 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,759 Speaker 1: held on to land In Collins. Not well, you could 742 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:30,320 Speaker 1: have if you let go out. Check everything you just said, Colendar, 743 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,839 Speaker 1: he's younger three, He's cheaper than Open three, at least 744 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 1: he was last year. He's faster than Open three, he's 745 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 1: a better coverage. Yeah, but Collins isn't cheaper than him 746 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 1: right now because look at the deal that he had 747 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,439 Speaker 1: to sign. But he wouldn't have had that offer if 748 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,400 Speaker 1: we had signed him before you well, yeah, but they 749 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 1: would happen that he knew about what was being bandied about. Well, 750 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 1: it turns out if if if you, if you've watched 751 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: how the whole thing played out. His agent was really 752 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 1: uh looking for the moon, and he obviously got the moon. 753 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: My hunches, he promised Collins he was going to get 754 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 1: him those kinds of outrageous numbers, which is why the 755 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 1: Giants were going to be in a position where they 756 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 1: were going to have to forcibly tag him, and even 757 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 1: the tag was gonna put Collins a price tag at 758 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,200 Speaker 1: a very high level. Well, and it was also going 759 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,239 Speaker 1: to lock them into that amount without being able to 760 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 1: use that money in free agency to Clay. That's the 761 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 1: other fact. A lot of negative, a lot of negative 762 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: things were gonna happen as a result of what you're 763 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 1: trying to propose right now. I wasn't trying. I was 764 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,360 Speaker 1: just saying, is there any way we could have kept Collins? 765 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,400 Speaker 1: Not in additional I don't. Yeah, I don't. I don't. Contractually, 766 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,520 Speaker 1: I don't think that would have been a very sound move. 767 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 1: Thank you appreciate it. Yeah, well, oh oh we lost. 768 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,319 Speaker 1: I appreciate the phone call. Well, I mean his main 769 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 1: question was in terms of also the financial implication. You 770 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,439 Speaker 1: have to take it to consideration. If you're the part 771 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,279 Speaker 1: ways with atle Ogo Tree, you don't just get rid 772 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: of a guy like that and then all of a 773 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 1: sudden the money comes off the book. There's repercussions all 774 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 1: of those things. So you know, it's not so simple 775 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 1: as oh, well we bring back Collins at the franchise tag, 776 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 1: we let alec Ogo Tree go. Yeah, and then that's 777 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 1: a Domino effect on impacting who else you went after 778 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,759 Speaker 1: in free agency. So all of those things are relevant 779 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 1: within that compensation. Tree signed through the season just well. 780 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,799 Speaker 1: And that's why it's not as if he's just one 781 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,360 Speaker 1: guy that's going to come off the book because he 782 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: was a free agent. It wasn't gonna be so simple. 783 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 1: Let's head back to the phone lines we got. Let's 784 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 1: check it with Mike in tenafly. Mike, what's happening? Hey, guys, 785 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 1: are you all right? What's happen? First of all, the 786 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 1: rest of the Peace Ports Star what a saint of 787 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,239 Speaker 1: man uh manhood, I'll tell you for sure, what an 788 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,480 Speaker 1: own standing man on and off the field. Yeah, and 789 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 1: it's one of the flagship organizations in the NFL. The 790 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: whole Giants family, I'm sure offering condolences to the Packer family. 791 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 1: Bart Star one of those guys who you you can 792 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 1: always saying your had on. He was going to be 793 00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,799 Speaker 1: a class act. Yes, uh, Mike, question of both of you. 794 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,840 Speaker 1: We're starting to get I see a few people in 795 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 1: the backfield. Now we've got Perkins coming back, You've got 796 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,799 Speaker 1: Penny Goldman um where is Rod Smith? Fit end? I 797 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,359 Speaker 1: find this interesting. I haven't done enough research on him 798 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 1: to see can he take passes out of the backfield 799 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,719 Speaker 1: or he can't straight ahead or if you remember, Mike, 800 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 1: I'll take your answer. Thank you. Yeah, you appreciate the 801 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 1: phone car. I mean, I'm not trying to pour assualted 802 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 1: to the wounds of Giants fans. But if you remember, 803 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:32,200 Speaker 1: the Cowboys played the Giants and one of the last 804 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 1: games of the season, I want to say in four 805 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:39,839 Speaker 1: years a thousand, No, it wasn't that two seventeen, and 806 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,920 Speaker 1: Rod Smith had two touchdowns the Giants and one of 807 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,840 Speaker 1: them was off a short pass that he took to 808 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,480 Speaker 1: the house. So yes, rod Smith absolutely has the ability 809 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 1: to catch passes out of the backfield. He's a versatile 810 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,280 Speaker 1: enough guy that if he wants to be that third 811 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,480 Speaker 1: down back, I think he certainly has the ability to 812 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,080 Speaker 1: do so. And he obviously was a fullback. Paul. I'm 813 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,640 Speaker 1: not saying they're gonna use him because the Cowboys wanted 814 00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,440 Speaker 1: him to play that initially and then they realized they 815 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 1: really wasn't as big enough, so they decided against it. 816 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,719 Speaker 1: But if you do want him in short yarded situation, 817 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,600 Speaker 1: I think he's capable of doing that. That's why I 818 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:18,000 Speaker 1: bring that six three five pounds. But see, in my mind, 819 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,879 Speaker 1: I like Paul Perkins to be the third down back 820 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 1: and the third string halfback. I'm a big Paul Perkins guy. 821 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,920 Speaker 1: I'm not giving up on him. In two thousand sixteen, 822 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 1: ran for over four yards to carry over four hundred 823 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,720 Speaker 1: yards as a rookie, caught another fifteen balls for almost 824 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,160 Speaker 1: eleven yards of catch. I think Paul Perkins is a 825 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,959 Speaker 1: much better suit or suited to be the third down 826 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,120 Speaker 1: back than Rod Smith is. And maybe Smith does, in 827 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,880 Speaker 1: fact fight it out with Perry as the fullback, if 828 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:51,440 Speaker 1: they even fullback with Penny that maybe that may be possible. 829 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,919 Speaker 1: I don't know, but but I'm telling you right now, 830 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,399 Speaker 1: I go into camp thinking that Paul Perkins is gonna 831 00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,120 Speaker 1: be my third string running back. But I can't give 832 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,440 Speaker 1: him a strong foothold on it because, after all, he 833 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,799 Speaker 1: spent a year on a jew reserve well, and that's 834 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,520 Speaker 1: why it's showed me time for it is. That's essentially 835 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,320 Speaker 1: what it is. No question he's one of those guys motivated. 836 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,400 Speaker 1: Is one motivated, But we've seen other guys in previous 837 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,280 Speaker 1: years all the motivation in the world, and don't necessarily 838 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,080 Speaker 1: take full advantage. But Perkins, he's hungry. He was a 839 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,239 Speaker 1: spectator role of last season, and I agree with you, 840 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,960 Speaker 1: he certainly has an opportunity. Rod Smith, though, has been 841 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,719 Speaker 1: in the mix. He's been on the field for last 842 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 1: season compared to Paul Perkins. So it really depends on 843 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,480 Speaker 1: I think, productivity in the preseason, what they see out 844 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,960 Speaker 1: of these guys in training camp. And you know, I 845 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,160 Speaker 1: would not also dismiss Rod Smith pushing Wayne Goldman a 846 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,239 Speaker 1: little too, you know, especially when you're bringing a guy 847 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,200 Speaker 1: who's got some experience. I'm not gonna go so far 848 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,840 Speaker 1: to say that number two and down is automatically locked 849 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,920 Speaker 1: in at that running back position. I think more some 850 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,000 Speaker 1: movement there. So to me, it's not just the third spot. 851 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,560 Speaker 1: I think it's the second spot of for grabs too. 852 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,560 Speaker 1: And I think you've ring up an interesting point about 853 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,720 Speaker 1: if they feel Rod Smith can be that fullback slash 854 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,960 Speaker 1: running back now all of a sudden, maybe Elijah Penny 855 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,799 Speaker 1: feels like he has some competition too that hasn't been 856 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,080 Speaker 1: toyed with. But considering Ron smiths played the fullback position, 857 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,600 Speaker 1: I wouldn't dismiss that from the conversation as well. Yeah. 858 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,040 Speaker 1: I mean, look, the good news is he has shown 859 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,759 Speaker 1: some versatility in the league before, so they can kind 860 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,120 Speaker 1: of toy with him and see where he best fits. 861 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,200 Speaker 1: Let's head back to the phone lines. We got Mark 862 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,279 Speaker 1: in Jersey City. Mark, welcome aboard the Big Blue kick 863 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,479 Speaker 1: offf Live. What do you have for us? Oh? Thanks 864 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,640 Speaker 1: for having me. Guys, I'm call her long time watcher. Well, 865 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,680 Speaker 1: thank you. Thanks, love your format. Non Giants fan, I 866 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,800 Speaker 1: just want to go off from my perspective on the Giants. 867 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,840 Speaker 1: I know a lot of time spance their North New Jersey. 868 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,080 Speaker 1: I love what they've done. I personally from a non 869 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,800 Speaker 1: Giants fan point of viere the whole narrative about Daniel 870 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,480 Speaker 1: Jones not taking him where they should have. It's it's 871 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,720 Speaker 1: ridiculous to imply that the media knew where he should 872 00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,960 Speaker 1: have been. It's it's laughable to me because I'm a 873 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,480 Speaker 1: Bill fan and similar are things were said about Josh Allen. 874 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:06,680 Speaker 1: The analytic crowd just firmly entrenched if he's just destined 875 00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,960 Speaker 1: to not be good. Um, I think the kid is 876 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,319 Speaker 1: going to be really good. Um. I like the fact 877 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,160 Speaker 1: that he played at a lower level program and he 878 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,799 Speaker 1: offers this is gonna be worth the giant SAMs did here. 879 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,840 Speaker 1: There are watch They're going to get to watch the 880 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,000 Speaker 1: quarterback who gives them the all scheduled play ability, the 881 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:27,560 Speaker 1: ability to have plays happen on the move, boots and nakeds, 882 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,759 Speaker 1: just getting that cheap first down, you know, on a 883 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,320 Speaker 1: broken play. That's gonna be a real weapon in their arsenal, 884 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,520 Speaker 1: and it's something they're not used to see. I don't 885 00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,040 Speaker 1: know really ever maybe since hoste work. Yeah, I don't 886 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 1: think there's any question about that. But here's the point, 887 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,640 Speaker 1: and this is what everybody misses when they ripped the pick. Okay, 888 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,759 Speaker 1: and look, if you've listened to the show at all, 889 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,160 Speaker 1: you know that I I didn't think that Daniel Jones 890 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,600 Speaker 1: would be picked at six either. I thought that was 891 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,600 Speaker 1: really high for him. But here's the point. If the 892 00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,600 Speaker 1: general manager really believe is in the player and he's 893 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,520 Speaker 1: got a chance to grab him and does not, well 894 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,560 Speaker 1: then he's not doing his job. And that's the only 895 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,880 Speaker 1: point that you need to know. The GM is paid 896 00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,640 Speaker 1: to have conviction, to study up on the prospects and 897 00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,160 Speaker 1: to pick the guy who he believes is best suited 898 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,319 Speaker 1: to help his team. So if Dave Gettlman decided that 899 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,680 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones was a must have player that he does 900 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,879 Speaker 1: himself and this organization a disservice if he lets him 901 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:36,480 Speaker 1: pass by at number six. Period. So when you consider 902 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:42,080 Speaker 1: the way the business is done and what his responsibility is, 903 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,520 Speaker 1: he has to make that pick, regardless of what any 904 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,520 Speaker 1: of the other people on the face of the earth think. 905 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:55,040 Speaker 1: He has to make the pick. Oh, and then just 906 00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,000 Speaker 1: shows the confidence that he had in to pick the conviction. 907 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,239 Speaker 1: And there was this also, it's a perceptive and that's 908 00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,600 Speaker 1: fumping that Josh Allen is going to be good. Well, 909 00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,600 Speaker 1: I mean, looking at it this way, George Young felt 910 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,280 Speaker 1: that Phil Simms had to be the pig, when nobody 911 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,440 Speaker 1: in their right mind even knew who Phil Simms was 912 00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,720 Speaker 1: out of Moorhead State. But George Young said, that's my guy. 913 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,520 Speaker 1: He made the pig. He shut out the rest of 914 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,799 Speaker 1: the world, and Phil Simms wound up winning a Super 915 00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,040 Speaker 1: Bowl for the Giants, and he was an old time legend. 916 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,480 Speaker 1: Ernie a Corsi although we all knew who we La 917 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,600 Speaker 1: Manning was. Ernie a CORSEI went and traded three other 918 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,360 Speaker 1: draft picks to swap out with with San Diego to 919 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,000 Speaker 1: go Getty Lae Manning because he believed that's my guy 920 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,040 Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter what I gotta pay for him, 921 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,680 Speaker 1: I'm getting my guy. If you don't have conviction, you 922 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,279 Speaker 1: don't belong in the chair. If you love a guy, 923 00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,279 Speaker 1: you go after him. And that's exactly what happened. It's 924 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,040 Speaker 1: a it's a ridiculous criticism because anybody in that chair 925 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:57,880 Speaker 1: has to make that pick. They're responsible to do it anyway. 926 00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,319 Speaker 1: All Right, Mark, appreciate the phone call, thank so much. 927 00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,880 Speaker 1: Were weighing in. I mean, we certainly have had this 928 00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,880 Speaker 1: conversation multiple times on this program. But you know, he 929 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,440 Speaker 1: brought up Josh Allen and you know the thing with 930 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,799 Speaker 1: Alan last year, there were a lot of people that 931 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,560 Speaker 1: questioned him coming out of a smaller program like Wyoming. 932 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,560 Speaker 1: Alan also didn't have a very good offensive line his 933 00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,239 Speaker 1: rookie year in Buffalo, so they went out they tried 934 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,040 Speaker 1: to bring him more competition this offseason in Buffalo. We'll 935 00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:23,920 Speaker 1: see whether or not he can make leaps and bounds 936 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,319 Speaker 1: and not just being a pure runner, because he was 937 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,560 Speaker 1: running a lot last year, but it wasn't necessarily by choice. 938 00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,200 Speaker 1: It was because he had to because players were breaking down. 939 00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,640 Speaker 1: So much. And let's make something very clear, because I 940 00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,480 Speaker 1: don't want people to believe that this is revisionist history, 941 00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:41,040 Speaker 1: because we're doing a giant show. We had said in 942 00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,440 Speaker 1: the months going into the draft, I know you were 943 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,680 Speaker 1: on board with me on this, and I think John 944 00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,480 Speaker 1: Schmilk was as well, and that was, Hey, if I'm 945 00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,440 Speaker 1: making the pick and I'm not in that chair, okay, 946 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,200 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily take a quarterback at six. In fact, 947 00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,640 Speaker 1: I preached you don't take a quarterback in the first 948 00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,600 Speaker 1: round because I thought Eli Manning had enough left and 949 00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:05,560 Speaker 1: you could probably get somebody later, including potentially Daniel Jones. Okay, 950 00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:09,080 Speaker 1: but I always said the asterisk is if the general 951 00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:13,879 Speaker 1: manager has conviction and believes in a particular QB, he 952 00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,760 Speaker 1: owes it to everybody to take him. And I always 953 00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,200 Speaker 1: said that that's the asterisk. I made it very clear, 954 00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,719 Speaker 1: and and so he did what he had to do. Yeah. 955 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,719 Speaker 1: I've been in line with that philosophy. I mean, even 956 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:29,239 Speaker 1: when we were talking about the two thousand and eight 957 00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,480 Speaker 1: teen draft class, I said, hey, you could sell me 958 00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,799 Speaker 1: on all of these quarterbacks. Is you go around your 959 00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,680 Speaker 1: room and you're scouting department loves this one guy, and 960 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,800 Speaker 1: the GM loves this guy and is the coaching staff 961 00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,560 Speaker 1: loves the guy, and then you take him and you 962 00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,239 Speaker 1: don't really ask any questions. And anybody that wants to 963 00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,160 Speaker 1: play the game of speculation that could have would have 964 00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,560 Speaker 1: should a game. It's all based on hypotheticals. There's not 965 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,719 Speaker 1: one fundamental fact behind the claim that Daniel Jones would 966 00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,480 Speaker 1: have been available at another pick. We don't know, because 967 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,640 Speaker 1: it's in a world that is not fact, it's not reality. 968 00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,719 Speaker 1: We'd have to ask every other team to go through 969 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,560 Speaker 1: and emulate a draft if this guy was now still 970 00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,600 Speaker 1: on the board or whatever it may be. And to me, 971 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,200 Speaker 1: it's a wasteful activity because you're never going to enter 972 00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,160 Speaker 1: a world where that exists, so why even waste your 973 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,800 Speaker 1: time with it. The Giants had conviction with Daniel Jones, 974 00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,240 Speaker 1: they took him, and now time will tell what becomes 975 00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,560 Speaker 1: of Daniel Jones. See there were There are two things 976 00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:23,160 Speaker 1: you can criticize a GM four. If he believes in 977 00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:27,720 Speaker 1: a particular player and doesn't take him, then he second 978 00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:32,000 Speaker 1: guesses himself and he made a mistake. If he doesn't 979 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,720 Speaker 1: necessarily believe in a player, but he takes him anyway 980 00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:40,280 Speaker 1: for some other outside force, or reason that impacted his decision. 981 00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,319 Speaker 1: That means he had a weak stomach, and you can 982 00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:49,000 Speaker 1: criticize him for that. Neither one of those scenarios applied. 983 00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:53,280 Speaker 1: Here be the guy on the island who stands all alone. 984 00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,399 Speaker 1: If you feel good about the pick, then you know what, 985 00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,400 Speaker 1: You don't need everybody to hold your hand. It was 986 00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,560 Speaker 1: what we were talking about earlier, somewhat related when you 987 00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,320 Speaker 1: read the tweet that said this was a very aggressive draft. 988 00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,680 Speaker 1: A lot of teams made picks, okay, but does that 989 00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,000 Speaker 1: mean that you have to be the team that also 990 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,200 Speaker 1: makes trades? I meant not make picks. Move up. No. 991 00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,239 Speaker 1: If if you feel good about where you're at, if 992 00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,239 Speaker 1: you feel good about the make up your roster, then 993 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,200 Speaker 1: you stand behind it. Give me an executive that is 994 00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,920 Speaker 1: one percent committed to miss stance, Paul to your point, 995 00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,319 Speaker 1: Then somebody who's on the fence and dancing around with 996 00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,840 Speaker 1: the idea of doing things. I'd rather, you know what, 997 00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,719 Speaker 1: fail at least with conviction behind it, then have no 998 00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,320 Speaker 1: conviction at all. And Dave Gettleman made it very clear 999 00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:38,680 Speaker 1: he loved Daniel Jones. And you're probably not gonna have 1000 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,240 Speaker 1: enough evidence to run away with whatever your thought process 1001 00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,960 Speaker 1: is with this season alone, because if Daniel Jones does 1002 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,799 Speaker 1: not get in and it's Eli Manning and there's not 1003 00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,319 Speaker 1: a lot of lopsided affairs for even Daniel Jones to 1004 00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,440 Speaker 1: get in, you may not really get a taste of 1005 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,520 Speaker 1: what he's gonna bring it. It's it's going to be 1006 00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,640 Speaker 1: a process, just like it is with a lot of 1007 00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,000 Speaker 1: young quarterbacks in the National Football League. And we've seen 1008 00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,960 Speaker 1: that even Patrick at Mahomes the Chiefs don't lock in 1009 00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,640 Speaker 1: a playoff spot. He probably doesn't see the field at 1010 00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,360 Speaker 1: all in two thousand seventeen and Week one is his 1011 00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,120 Speaker 1: very first game last year on the football field. That 1012 00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,400 Speaker 1: could very well happen with Daniel Jones. There are no 1013 00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,640 Speaker 1: guarantees and there's no exact game plan that is fully scripted. 1014 00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,960 Speaker 1: Right now, we have Mr Chris one seventy two on 1015 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,239 Speaker 1: Twitter says good to see get used to seeing r J. 1016 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:29,000 Speaker 1: McIntosh more often. McIntosh getting some extra reps today during 1017 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,080 Speaker 1: the course of the o t A the defensive lineman 1018 00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,520 Speaker 1: the Giants took on the through day out of the 1019 00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:37,480 Speaker 1: Miami Hurricanes program last season, and of course, with Sideline 1020 00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,799 Speaker 1: for most of the year because of an illness and 1021 00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,680 Speaker 1: then when he finally got on the field in December, 1022 00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:46,480 Speaker 1: he showed some flashes. Very athletic player. You know, I 1023 00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,440 Speaker 1: do think he needs to sculpt himself and they had 1024 00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,400 Speaker 1: a little more power, but he certainly has some athleticism 1025 00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:55,200 Speaker 1: and played at a very prestigious program to say the least, 1026 00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,719 Speaker 1: even though the Hurricanes have had some down years lately. Well, 1027 00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,640 Speaker 1: don't tell that to Jeff Eagles. But that's all the subject. 1028 00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,120 Speaker 1: R J McIntosh. I would throw in the same department 1029 00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,799 Speaker 1: as Paul Perkins. Paul. Now. I understand Perkins had a 1030 00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:11,600 Speaker 1: year or two with the Giants previously, but it's show 1031 00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:15,280 Speaker 1: many time anybody coming back from injury. Given the turnover 1032 00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,680 Speaker 1: rate on this roster and how many changes Dave Gentleman 1033 00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:19,839 Speaker 1: and Pat Yourmer have made, it has shown me time. 1034 00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:24,400 Speaker 1: So R J McIntosh, Paul Perkins and him to the list. 1035 00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:28,480 Speaker 1: Every Moss is another good candidate to throw into the mix. 1036 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,000 Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of guys that they've been 1037 00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,160 Speaker 1: on the fence because of injuries. Here are there. Corey 1038 00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,239 Speaker 1: Coleman is a guy I would throw out there, not 1039 00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,359 Speaker 1: because of injuries with the Giants, but just because he's 1040 00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,680 Speaker 1: been moved from team to team, Okay, can you maintain 1041 00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:45,880 Speaker 1: stability in the current situation that you're in. Can you produce? 1042 00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:47,959 Speaker 1: Can you do it day in and day out? Show 1043 00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,680 Speaker 1: me we have. Alex Wilson says, as I've been saying, 1044 00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,120 Speaker 1: the Giants secondary has so much young talent. I'm very 1045 00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,799 Speaker 1: excited to see them play and gain some experience. This 1046 00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,560 Speaker 1: unit can be elite with a bit of development. Baker, 1047 00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,879 Speaker 1: bal and Love all showing why the Giants drafted them 1048 00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,760 Speaker 1: during O T A s We've been discussing these guys 1049 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,920 Speaker 1: ever since they were selected. Uh, no secret there the 1050 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,919 Speaker 1: Giants understood. I mean, consider Baker was a one, Bill 1051 00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,160 Speaker 1: was a three last year, and Love was a four 1052 00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,560 Speaker 1: this year who was clearly undervalued by a lot of 1053 00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:21,160 Speaker 1: NFL teams because most people we've talked to in the 1054 00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,279 Speaker 1: business figured he at the very least was a top 1055 00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,520 Speaker 1: ten corner, maybe a top five corner in this draft, 1056 00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,640 Speaker 1: and they were able to get him in the fourth round. 1057 00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,840 Speaker 1: So Alex said, I don't think there's any debating what 1058 00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,000 Speaker 1: it is that you said. And then we have m R. 1059 00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,040 Speaker 1: Gerard says, the last couple of seasons, the offense has 1060 00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,040 Speaker 1: been very slow, boring and predictable. I remember watching Perkins 1061 00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,400 Speaker 1: going for no game back on back to back plays 1062 00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,160 Speaker 1: in two thousand sixteen. Now, I hope the amount of 1063 00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,480 Speaker 1: talent offense and in the second year of the system 1064 00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:53,080 Speaker 1: provides unpredictability for opponents. Well, Paul Perkins ran for I 1065 00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,840 Speaker 1: believe like four and fifty yards as a rookie in 1066 00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,040 Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen, and over four yards to carry. You're 1067 00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:02,520 Speaker 1: probably referring to two thousand seventeen, the year in which 1068 00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:06,560 Speaker 1: he had very few touches, very little playing time, and 1069 00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:10,040 Speaker 1: when he was in there was was very ineffective. I 1070 00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,480 Speaker 1: don't think anybody would dispute the fact that during Paul 1071 00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,839 Speaker 1: perkins rookie season he was probably one of the top 1072 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,440 Speaker 1: three or four rookie running backs in the NFL. Um 1073 00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,800 Speaker 1: The numbers certainly proved that out to be the case. 1074 00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,120 Speaker 1: You probably don't remember the big play he had in 1075 00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,839 Speaker 1: Minnesota when he absolutely exploded on a short screen pass 1076 00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,360 Speaker 1: and I think he wants something like eight yards. Uh. 1077 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,640 Speaker 1: Paul Perkins when he came out of U. C. L A. 1078 00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:39,319 Speaker 1: Actually had the best elusiveness numbers of any running back 1079 00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:43,200 Speaker 1: in that draft in terms of making defenders miss. And 1080 00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,560 Speaker 1: that's what he does well. I personally believe that's why 1081 00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,520 Speaker 1: he'd be a terrific throw down back because you can 1082 00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:53,000 Speaker 1: get him the ball in the flat, check him on 1083 00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,640 Speaker 1: a screen, open space, or even a checkdown situation. He's 1084 00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,400 Speaker 1: got moves to make people miss, and he's got pretty 1085 00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:03,000 Speaker 1: good hands. I think Paul Perkins is a is a 1086 00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,520 Speaker 1: perfect third down back. To be quite frank with you, now, 1087 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,000 Speaker 1: we got to see him block a little bit more 1088 00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,160 Speaker 1: because in the limited time we've had him, we're here 1089 00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,560 Speaker 1: with the Giants. Where we've seen him with the Giants, 1090 00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,240 Speaker 1: he hasn't had to do much in pass pro. What 1091 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,160 Speaker 1: you have to do if you're gonna be a throw 1092 00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:19,960 Speaker 1: down back, you've gotta be able to do that. Sometimes 1093 00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:21,880 Speaker 1: you're gonna stay in and you gotta pick up a 1094 00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:26,480 Speaker 1: hot read. But no, I I'm sorry, I am Gerard 1095 00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:31,080 Speaker 1: totally disagree with you. Well, speaking of blocking, I remember, 1096 00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:35,360 Speaker 1: and I'm looking up the season to confirm Cleveland when 1097 00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,400 Speaker 1: the Giants were in Cleveland. So this is the two 1098 00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:41,280 Speaker 1: thousand sixteen season, Paul, if you remember, Perkins is the 1099 00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,600 Speaker 1: starting running back and this was like the coming out 1100 00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,240 Speaker 1: party for him in terms of moving forward in past 1101 00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:50,200 Speaker 1: protection Jamie Collins, who's now back with the Patriots, was 1102 00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,800 Speaker 1: with the Cleveland Browns at the time, had a blitz 1103 00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,640 Speaker 1: right up the gut and it was Paul Perkins sailed 1104 00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:59,160 Speaker 1: in and nailed Collins, and that was a moment that 1105 00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,320 Speaker 1: the coaching they have wented out. He's matured as a 1106 00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,760 Speaker 1: past protector and now we want to see him do 1107 00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,760 Speaker 1: that consistently. So he's got the capabilities, to your point, 1108 00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,280 Speaker 1: to do it. It's just unfortunately, because of injuries and 1109 00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,240 Speaker 1: not having many reps, hasn't really had a lot of 1110 00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,520 Speaker 1: moments to do that. But I think if they want 1111 00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,040 Speaker 1: him to take on the third down role, there's no 1112 00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:19,920 Speaker 1: doubt about it. He could take on that role. And 1113 00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,439 Speaker 1: as far as the last point, real quickly in terms 1114 00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,960 Speaker 1: of the tweet, they get the press, all right. I 1115 00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,080 Speaker 1: just wanted to make the claim that the last part 1116 00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,080 Speaker 1: of that tweet was about second year in the offense 1117 00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:33,480 Speaker 1: maybe showing more unpredictability. It's very much like the defense. 1118 00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,280 Speaker 1: You have more familiarity, you can toy with the personnel 1119 00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:37,880 Speaker 1: a little bit more. All right. That is gonna wrap 1120 00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,360 Speaker 1: things up for us. Big Blue Kickoff Live presented by 1121 00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,920 Speaker 1: cores Light for Paul de Tino on Lance Meadow. We're 1122 00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:44,840 Speaker 1: back up and running tomorrow with a new edition of 1123 00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,000 Speaker 1: Big Blue Kickoff live here on giants dot Com. Speak 1124 00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:47,320 Speaker 1: to you then,