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Speaker 1: Welcome to my show. Remember each week this is the
Speaker 1: place you go to when you want to hear the
Speaker 1: latest when it comes to anything out of the ordinary,
Speaker 1: from Hello, Shadow People, to hat Man, Bigfoot, to locknth
Speaker 1: and all of the above and in betweens yep, you
Speaker 1: have come to the right place. What does that indicate?
Speaker 1: What does that always mean? Well, one thing quite unique
Speaker 1: about my program is I welcome you the listener, to
Speaker 1: go to my main website and tell me your stories.
Speaker 1: Tell me what you've experienced, near death, experience as angels,
Speaker 1: all that, all that stuff. I don't care if Bigfoot
Speaker 1: through like a can at your window. I don't know
Speaker 1: why you would do that, but I don't care if
Speaker 1: he does that. Even so does tell me about is
Speaker 1: there a rumor in the family? I mean, what's what's
Speaker 1: going on? Because on this show we like to find
Speaker 1: the patterns discuss them. And I do have fun on
Speaker 1: this program. I do, I really do. I'm really contrary
Speaker 1: to popular belief. I'm just kidding. I have a good
Speaker 1: time all the time. But it could be really dark
Speaker 1: and heavy stuff, you know. And if there's ever a
Speaker 1: criticism I've ever received, it's like, wow, you sound like
Speaker 1: you're you're enjoying this demonic stuff way too much. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, no, no, you don't understand. It's like
Speaker 1: I want to be able to talk about all these
Speaker 1: things as I would anything. And I am pretty laid
Speaker 1: back and try to keep things on the up and up.
Speaker 1: And I just find that to be important because when
Speaker 1: we put it in a category where you have to
Speaker 1: be scary and all that, it can shut down a
Speaker 1: lot of brains. And we do not need any more
Speaker 1: closed brains around here. So anyways, um yeah, so ay,
Speaker 1: who I gotta tell you guys, today's an interesting program.
Speaker 1: I have a guest that this covers something quite unique.
Speaker 1: His name is Eli Koberly, and he's going to be
Speaker 1: discussing his new book War in the Hearts of Men,
Speaker 1: and uh, it's it's it's a balance of a lot
Speaker 1: of different things. You have to you have to hear
Speaker 1: them because it's a topic that I personally am not
Speaker 1: as well versed in symbology, cosmology. Um, you know, it's
Speaker 1: like yoga. I don't know how to meditate to save
Speaker 1: my life. I always think one day I'll try more,
Speaker 1: but I usually just fall asleep when I've tried. It's
Speaker 1: really bad. But that's just so me. That's yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: But anyways, I heard that's the first step is to
Speaker 1: relax as fall asleep and then hopefully meditate and guide it.
Speaker 1: But I have really lucid dreams, so I can roll
Speaker 1: a lot what's going on and a lot of out
Speaker 1: of body experiences all the time. So um, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I call myself a slider. I think I'm sliding the
Speaker 1: people's body is quite a bit and it actually it
Speaker 1: has been something that it happens. Yeah. So anyways, guess
Speaker 1: what we're gonna discuss in this first segment before I
Speaker 1: get my guests on after the break. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: I have received a lot of people sending me messages saying, hey, Heidi,
Speaker 1: your topic that you put out there, hat Man, there's
Speaker 1: this thing about Benadrill. Oh I don't even want to
Speaker 1: repeat it. Almost it's like people taking Benadrill to have
Speaker 1: meetings with hat Man. I should say, that's the next
Speaker 1: layer of this craziness that people are doing. It's like,
Speaker 1: how do you feel about that? Oh? Just oh the angst,
Speaker 1: the angst, the anger, the upsetness. Oh, I mean wow,
Speaker 1: who would want to conjure these things? And that guy
Speaker 1: in particular, who would want to do that? That is
Speaker 1: not okay, That is not okay. That is such dangerous stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, why don't you just why? I'm not even
Speaker 1: gonna make suggestions. I can't even make suggestions because it's
Speaker 1: just so bad. I'm like, I don't know what anybody
Speaker 1: would want to welcome something that's the equivalent of the
Speaker 1: devil in your life or in your bed for that matter,
Speaker 1: or in your bedroom to even look at you walking
Speaker 1: down the street. You would not. I have had people
Speaker 1: who've seen them once and it's like disrupted their life.
Speaker 1: It is so dangerous. I don't know why people have
Speaker 1: found this to be a fascinating thing. And I'll tell
Speaker 1: you also, this is one of the reasons why I
Speaker 1: feel quite a bit of responsibility and putting word out
Speaker 1: there on these topics. I mean, I've discussed it here
Speaker 1: in this program. I remember before I was born. I
Speaker 1: remember agreeing to discuss these things to make people aware
Speaker 1: because they were happening anyways. But the responsibility is, you know,
Speaker 1: giving the name to this thing, and people misspell it
Speaker 1: and make it like it's batman or something. I have
Speaker 1: two separate words hat man, just because, just because, And
Speaker 1: then people want to judge, Well, that's all, you know,
Speaker 1: there's a little reason why you were to do it
Speaker 1: that way, is to say it's just a man and
Speaker 1: a hat. Well, I don't want to give them too
Speaker 1: much respect, you understand me, But um, one of the reasons,
Speaker 1: like you know, it's like, well, why trademark the phenomenon?
Speaker 1: You know we're all been experiencing. Well, no, I trademark
Speaker 1: the name of it, trying to help slow the role
Speaker 1: of this thing that people are again now it's really
Speaker 1: clear finding his entertainment a way to tap into the
Speaker 1: other world, you know. And uh, but it's not it's
Speaker 1: not been an easy thing. It's not been an easy
Speaker 1: task as uh. You know at one point, you know,
Speaker 1: as a regular on coast to coast as a guest,
Speaker 1: and you have millions and millions of listeners worldwide. So
Speaker 1: people heard me talking about this, giving it a name,
Speaker 1: hat man and a shadow people phenomenon, and uh so
Speaker 1: to say they didn't know where it came from. Well,
Speaker 1: if you know the topic, it trickle trickle down. And
Speaker 1: uh it's it's like it's become this other beast of
Speaker 1: board young adults and teens and kids like you want
Speaker 1: to see something spooky, let's do this. It's like no, no,
Speaker 1: it's like, uh, you know, taking it to another level
Speaker 1: of oh no, this is going to cause you problems
Speaker 1: and a very deep soul like level. So um, please,
Speaker 1: anybody within earshot if you know of somebody that's discussing
Speaker 1: doing that. These various social media platforms that are having
Speaker 1: barrages of people talking on these topics without knowing what
Speaker 1: they're dealing with. And again, another element of the responsibility
Speaker 1: is even when like producers and stuff come or people
Speaker 1: that it's like I want to do a book on this,
Speaker 1: or oh I want to you know, focus my whole
Speaker 1: life on these topics, I'm like, watch out, okay, because oh,
Speaker 1: I've been involved in projects that have had major issues
Speaker 1: because they focused on these topics. So people have their assumptions.
Speaker 1: Why with somebody want to you know, it's not to
Speaker 1: quite literally own something, it's try to hope that people
Speaker 1: will be deterred to not dive as deep. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's like so dangerous on a soul level,
Speaker 1: and it's like uh, And then of course there's the
Speaker 1: building up their name to be somebody to go to
Speaker 1: on these subjects and they're like, oh, and don't be
Speaker 1: afraid of it. By the way, it's okay, it's just
Speaker 1: there to watch Oh no, oh no, it's not entertainment.
Speaker 1: And there's a big risk to people that look into
Speaker 1: these topics at a level they just can't imagine. And
Speaker 1: I'll give you a quick example of um without giving
Speaker 1: too much detail. I'm somebody that approached and said I'm
Speaker 1: going to go make a film on this. I'm like, don't,
Speaker 1: don't do it, please don't. And they didn't listen, and
Speaker 1: they regretted their decision. And honestly, I am not kidding
Speaker 1: you when I say, just today I learned of the
Speaker 1: outcome of that adventure, and this person is no longer
Speaker 1: in the public eye. Let's put it that way. They
Speaker 1: didn't die, from my understanding. But oh it didn't. It's
Speaker 1: just bad. It's just bad, guys, just bad. It just
Speaker 1: doesn't ever seem to go well. And I understood and
Speaker 1: my life agreement. I'm supposed to do this stuff, and
Speaker 1: I feel extra protected, you know, And and I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been doing okay with it thus far.
Speaker 1: And I'm a one woman show. I don't have a
Speaker 1: big team of people saying hurrah, you know, how do
Speaker 1: you go and do that? Don't forget this other thing
Speaker 1: that you got going on over here. No, No, it's
Speaker 1: just me doing my best, trying to follow through and
Speaker 1: what I agreed to do, and it's it's something I
Speaker 1: would never ever change. And uh, you know, letting people
Speaker 1: know in the millions about two phenomenon was a humbling experience,
Speaker 1: a very scary experience. Imagine this from somebody who was
Speaker 1: absolutely terrified of any amount of public speaking. Um. But
Speaker 1: out of necessity and getting my memories back, I knew
Speaker 1: I needed to. I had to. Um. So it's been.
Speaker 1: It's been really quite a right. And I was just
Speaker 1: talking to a friend today actually about how I needed
Speaker 1: to take breaks in the beginning, like, oh, I can't,
Speaker 1: I can't talk on these things anymore. Like I just
Speaker 1: needed to have some normalcy, like I was a college kid,
Speaker 1: just like, oh, I need to breathe, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: it was quite a process, um, and you know, and
Speaker 1: now I'm like I just kind of steadily go and
Speaker 1: get a little exhausted and then keep going and get
Speaker 1: little exhausted and keep going. Um. The exhausting part now
Speaker 1: is seeing the explode of people offering their souls up
Speaker 1: to Satan. M Yeah, because that's what's going on. People
Speaker 1: are getting possessed by hat Man, people are getting abused
Speaker 1: by it, and it's on such a grand, big scale.
Speaker 1: If it is not handled properly, it's going to end
Speaker 1: very bad for all involved. I've seen it on horrible scale,
Speaker 1: whether they're physically attacked, emotionally attacked, spiritually attacked, medically, I
Speaker 1: mean every level. So yeah, the warning is out there,
Speaker 1: and you know for people that are dabbling in it,
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, it doesn't bother me. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm touching on this and I don't have anything happened.
Speaker 1: You know, there's something to be said about people who
Speaker 1: are doing the work of dark stuff too. I mean,
Speaker 1: we don't know the intentions behind a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: and a lot of people, so we got to be
Speaker 1: weary and leary of that as well. It's a real element,
Speaker 1: let me tell you. Wow. Well, guys, I hope that
Speaker 1: helped clear my position on it. It ain't good. It's
Speaker 1: not entertainment. It is to be contained about that, all right,
Speaker 1: You guys. You are listening to Darkie Comes Light with
Speaker 1: Me Ighty Hollis on the iHeart Radio at Coast to
Speaker 1: Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Stick around, We'll be right
Speaker 1: back with Eli Coberly. Welcome back. You are listening to
Speaker 1: Darkie Comes Light with Me Heighty Hollis on the iHeart
Speaker 1: Radio at Coast to Coast am Paranormal podcast Network. As promised,
Speaker 1: I have Eli Coberly. He is a world traveler and
Speaker 1: seeker of truth through adventure, and at seventeen he left
Speaker 1: his home to fulfill his dream of becoming an army paratrooper,
Speaker 1: and at twenty he was honorably discharge. It began his
Speaker 1: search for a new dream. Eli's writing has taken him
Speaker 1: worldwide to explore a few of the bigger questions of
Speaker 1: our human existence, and his prophetic worldview combines military service, counterculture,
Speaker 1: and the anthropology and archaeology of the world's religious symbols.
Speaker 1: He has studied the migration of the indigenous and ingusted
Speaker 1: their medicine, absorbed their art, and embodied their cosma vision
Speaker 1: so in the war. In the Hearts of Men, Eli's
Speaker 1: new book, he details his lifeline quest to understand the
Speaker 1: Maya culture and its impact on the present. He also
Speaker 1: shares his discovery of the artistry of stone carved symbols
Speaker 1: on the heels of his extensive travels to both Central
Speaker 1: and South America. A yoga therapist, Eli has been a
Speaker 1: student of yoga for over a decade and when he
Speaker 1: isn't writing or practicing yoga. Eli can be found examining
Speaker 1: the Tibetan Buddhist tradition, sitting in ceremony with Maya priests,
Speaker 1: and traversing caves deep in the Belize jungle. So I
Speaker 1: would like to welcome Eli Coberly to the show. How
Speaker 1: are you doing today? There? Eli? I'm great? How do
Speaker 1: you thinks for asking? Yeah, so you've got literally a
Speaker 1: world of experiences that top most people that I know.
Speaker 1: Quite the background there, So tell me a little bit
Speaker 1: about how you got into seeking the answers that you have. Well,
Speaker 1: I noticed how people relate, and I notice that after
Speaker 1: learning yoga, I noticed the two sexes, the masculine and feminine,
Speaker 1: and how they're not innate to necessarily a male or
Speaker 1: a female. That we all have those traits within us,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to explain a lot of the reasons
Speaker 1: why the feminine had been suppressed, and so me having
Speaker 1: a type A mind and very analytical um, I found
Speaker 1: a way to explain it technically and embody the practices
Speaker 1: around the world. Oh No, that's fascinating because I do
Speaker 1: hear more of these esoteric approaches, and you came about
Speaker 1: it for the type A like you said, it's like
Speaker 1: that's that's interesting. That's something I don't hear about all
Speaker 1: the time. So tell us how that, uh you know
Speaker 1: has gone. I mean, so you were looking and traveling
Speaker 1: following your service. We appreciate you. And how did that
Speaker 1: begin with some of the travels or was the first
Speaker 1: place that you went to that helped you connect some
Speaker 1: of these dots? Well? Um, the first place is actually
Speaker 1: caracoll in Belieze in the jungle. Um it's a Maya
Speaker 1: site and um it means snail in Spanish, but it's
Speaker 1: really a spiral. So it sort of spiraled out from
Speaker 1: there and I begin and to become more interested in
Speaker 1: UM and why we're here and what you know. And
Speaker 1: it was on it was right before the twenty and
Speaker 1: twelve thing, and everyone was afraid of all these things
Speaker 1: and you know, the end of the world doomsday, and
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, I don't know about that. And I
Speaker 1: kind of started learning more about the cyclical nature of
Speaker 1: time and UM and relationship to the universe and things
Speaker 1: like that. The cosmology essentially, can you expand a bit
Speaker 1: on that, Like, so you were what what is it
Speaker 1: exactly the cosmology of what? Like, how did you what
Speaker 1: was it? Oh, well, I mean there specifically the the
Speaker 1: Maya cosmology, the people of Central America, the indigenous um
Speaker 1: and how they have the relation to the sun, moon
Speaker 1: and stars, like the the Vedic tradition of India. UM
Speaker 1: and so yoga and hotel Yoga means sun and moon,
Speaker 1: and it means a relationship between the masculine and the
Speaker 1: feminine within. And so I discovered that people around the world,
Speaker 1: indigenous or otherwise, we're practicing these things just like the
Speaker 1: ancient yogis. And one in particular was the Maya people
Speaker 1: that I really warmed up to UM after going there,
Speaker 1: and I started to go sight after sight after sight
Speaker 1: and region after region, and I developed um sort of
Speaker 1: opinion on how it sort of went down based on
Speaker 1: reading some of the codexes and studying a number of
Speaker 1: the the glyphs and so. Yeah. So that I started
Speaker 1: to realize is that um yoga is essentially universal throughout
Speaker 1: the world and UM and and I started to study
Speaker 1: the art and the architecture and notice the similarities and UM.
Speaker 1: I noticed that the yoking, which yoga means to yoke,
Speaker 1: the yoking of the masculine and the femm was a
Speaker 1: embodied practice that went much deeper than you'd ever know. Wow,
Speaker 1: you know, I see you're a yoga therapist and it's
Speaker 1: a Whenever I think of it, it just seems to
Speaker 1: be one of those very quite peaceful acts that I
Speaker 1: can never do, like I fall asleep if I'm sitting
Speaker 1: trying to meditate, you know, and do anything that looks
Speaker 1: or feels like it's a relaxing type of thing. And
Speaker 1: they say, well, that's the first step. You know, you're
Speaker 1: good at this. I'm like, I'm kinda getting comfortable to
Speaker 1: take a nap, I guess. But I mean, how does
Speaker 1: a person, uh you know, expand into this to get
Speaker 1: this better knowledge? Your book is called War in the
Speaker 1: Hearts of Men, and you're you're a yoga therapist, so
Speaker 1: I mean it sounds like a contrasts But you found
Speaker 1: this method to link everything because it is a worldwide
Speaker 1: feel or vibe out there as you're explaining, So where
Speaker 1: did it lead you? And how do people tap in? Uh? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I you know, I I've I needed to
Speaker 1: have a reason to explore these inner and outer landscapes
Speaker 1: of the micro and macrocosm of myself in the world
Speaker 1: because I experienced things in the in the army and
Speaker 1: overseas that we're damaging to my psyche and traumatic and
Speaker 1: so um so. I think a lot of people, I
Speaker 1: realize they're dealing with trauma from war. And it's not
Speaker 1: just because of how they they're necessarily in war, but
Speaker 1: maybe generationally or passed down through DNA. It's all we've
Speaker 1: all been affected by it. And so you know, this
Speaker 1: war within, this war without is the same concept. So
Speaker 1: um you know, and if you sit and you meditate
Speaker 1: and take a deep breath, one breath is better than
Speaker 1: no breaths. Um So, I guess you're asking it. Oh,
Speaker 1: how how can we get started in something like this? Yeah?
Speaker 1: For me, I just was forced to. I was I
Speaker 1: was helping a friend move and he lived in the
Speaker 1: mid West and he was getting his doctorate and I
Speaker 1: had time on my hands, and so he said, coming
Speaker 1: to yoga every morning. I went to yoga. Oh wow. Really,
Speaker 1: I've been invited to some strange things too, but I'm
Speaker 1: not good at it. Just like like, oh, that's that's fascinating.
Speaker 1: I'm standing over here to watch you do it. So
Speaker 1: you just like it just hit that right note for you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was having trouble anyway, kind of coming to terms
Speaker 1: with stuff, you know, if you have later on. You know. Actually,
Speaker 1: just this past year, I got diagnosed with PTSD, so
Speaker 1: I from the military experience, and I was asking it
Speaker 1: for a really long time, and yoga was the thing
Speaker 1: that brought it up. And then since I'm such a
Speaker 1: type and interested in all these I was into extreme
Speaker 1: sports and all this, I started to realize, like, oh,
Speaker 1: like yoga is foreverone. It's not just a religious dogma,
Speaker 1: though there is religion within it, but also, um there's
Speaker 1: all everyone is at different speeds and everyone moves in
Speaker 1: different ways and has different experiences. UM. So I just
Speaker 1: I just felt like that was kind of a great
Speaker 1: thing for me to be a part of. UM is
Speaker 1: understanding how I my life could be like a blueprint
Speaker 1: and not such a domestic way of you know, seven
Speaker 1: Steps to freedom. Maybe it could be this is what
Speaker 1: I did, and use my life as an example. Read
Speaker 1: the book and see how you could potentially do your
Speaker 1: own trip. Yeah, I see, that's cool. You know, I've
Speaker 1: heard a lot of military service people that whether they
Speaker 1: were in war or not, you know that it's just
Speaker 1: such a shift and the reality to come back to
Speaker 1: civilian life, and it's it's it's just it's too much.
Speaker 1: So I can see how creating that inner balance since
Speaker 1: the outer has changed, you know, from your other balance,
Speaker 1: where you've got to strike this chord. So an interesting title.
Speaker 1: Tell us about this book A bit so war in
Speaker 1: the hearts of men? What is this? Where's this going?
Speaker 1: What is it really about? Well, um, I you know,
Speaker 1: I love metaphors, and I love speaking in metaphors, and
Speaker 1: I love like Joseph Campbell and others like that. And
Speaker 1: so what Maya means in Sanskrit is the illusion, and
Speaker 1: so illusion is magic, and so I sort of talk
Speaker 1: about how leaders in the book use magic through symbolism,
Speaker 1: and I use I use the Maya people as a
Speaker 1: backdrop to okay, what did they do and what led
Speaker 1: to their demise right their extinction? And how do they
Speaker 1: trust certain factions of other societies that led to their demise,
Speaker 1: And a lot of it's about colonialism, and it ties
Speaker 1: into what I saw when I went overseas, with expansion
Speaker 1: of oil production in Saudi Arabia and jet fighters being built.
Speaker 1: And I went over there right after the Cobar towers
Speaker 1: got blew up and so that was a giant facility
Speaker 1: for business and for colonialism. So I my book is
Speaker 1: sort of chronicles my travels throughout Central America, uncovering these
Speaker 1: art pieces and glyphs that talk about worldwide expansion pre
Speaker 1: Spanish influence in Central America, and I contrasted with how
Speaker 1: we're doing it today and how we've done it and
Speaker 1: where I see that it's headed. And also I use
Speaker 1: the indigenous folklore and myths and also prophecies to paint
Speaker 1: a picture of the future and how it might change. Nice. Well, hey,
Speaker 1: maybe we could get into some of those prophecies and
Speaker 1: the change that you're hoping to encourage. So we're gonna
Speaker 1: get to our first break. But first, don't forget to
Speaker 1: go to Heidi Hollis dot com or shadow Folks dot
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Speaker 1: All right, you guys, you are listening to Dark Becomes
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Speaker 1: to Coast dam Our Normal podcast and work second round.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Welcome back. You are listening to
Speaker 1: Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis, Annie iHeartRadio and
Speaker 1: Coast to Coast Dan Paranormal Podcast Network. We have our
Speaker 1: guest here, Eli Coberly, and we are discussing his book
Speaker 1: War in the Hearts of Men. And you've come across
Speaker 1: some really fascinating elements that you wanted to share when
Speaker 1: it comes to ancient rituals and geometry and how it
Speaker 1: has affected today and how you can change it. So
Speaker 1: let's let's get into some of that. Sure sounds good. Um.
Speaker 1: One of the places that I know is really popular
Speaker 1: in this vein is Polank and Chiapas, Mexico, and you
Speaker 1: know you've seen a lot of that ancient aliens. They
Speaker 1: talk about it. And one of the things that I've
Speaker 1: linked is this um. If you go to the Cross group,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a site or a part in Polank
Speaker 1: where there's three pyramids and they have a story to
Speaker 1: tell with the lineages in the cosmos and this sort
Speaker 1: of thing. But in the very center of those three pyramids,
Speaker 1: down on the ground is like maybe what might have
Speaker 1: been a sacrificial platform or something like that. But if
Speaker 1: you if you were to h take a drone and
Speaker 1: fly it above, you would see a cross right. And
Speaker 1: you know, uh what I you know, a Christian cross
Speaker 1: is really popular when the Spanish people started to show
Speaker 1: up on the shores of the Central America to um
Speaker 1: enslave the indigenous and take their land. Um. But the
Speaker 1: reason why it was so popular is to them they
Speaker 1: already had a cross, right and they noticed that so um,
Speaker 1: that cross in the center there is actually has corners,
Speaker 1: and it has angles and sides. And if you line
Speaker 1: it up on the street Onter which is the ancient
Speaker 1: divisive India, you will see that it lines up perfectly
Speaker 1: if it's to scale. And so um, what you find
Speaker 1: out is not only is the strie entre um of
Speaker 1: India and this thing in in plank, not only are
Speaker 1: they m mathematically the same as the same number of
Speaker 1: spinal stegments and teeth that we have in our mouth.
Speaker 1: Plus h the seven chakras, which is a rainbow. Um,
Speaker 1: you have seventy two okay, yeah, and so seventy two
Speaker 1: um times two is one hundred and forty four, and
Speaker 1: um one hundred and forty four is the number of
Speaker 1: or one hundred and forty four thousand or seventy two thousand?
Speaker 1: Is this the number of certain lengths of time that
Speaker 1: the Maya measure in the cosmos? And uh in our okay? Wow?
Speaker 1: And yeah. And so what I figured out is that um,
Speaker 1: the ancients um all around the world, and this is
Speaker 1: something that they won't talk about in ancient aliens or
Speaker 1: other things, or maybe they have. I haven't seen episodes
Speaker 1: in a while. But UM is that we have a
Speaker 1: mathematic equation written in stone and symbology that represents the
Speaker 1: body and how it travels through time and space and karmically.
Speaker 1: It's it's linked to interesting potential. Well, okay, and what
Speaker 1: can we do about it? What can we do about this?
Speaker 1: There are potential I always talk about the human potential,
Speaker 1: and I don't feel like things are necessarily written in stone,
Speaker 1: though it may be an ancient ruin somewhere. But but
Speaker 1: I'm always optimistic that we can change our patterns, change
Speaker 1: our ways and you know, make something, you know, learn
Speaker 1: from our past mistakes that are etched in stone. You know. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, how do we how do we
Speaker 1: make sure that we're you know, keeping it rolling and
Speaker 1: serving ourselves better. Well, what I figured out is if
Speaker 1: it's mathematical the way we travel through time and space
Speaker 1: and and there's trauma, Well, each chakra in the Vedic
Speaker 1: tradition of India talks about emotions, right, And there's different
Speaker 1: time periods and it overlaps. So oh, there's only five chakras,
Speaker 1: there's seven, you know, depends on the time period. But
Speaker 1: what I will say is that you know, one example
Speaker 1: would be the first chakra would be the root chakra.
Speaker 1: And maybe when you were young and you were growing up,
Speaker 1: someone told you that you weren't good enough, and you
Speaker 1: believe them. And what I do know is that trauma
Speaker 1: gets stored in the body, right, And so if trauma
Speaker 1: is stored in the body, we believe that in our
Speaker 1: mind chemically that that trauma and it prevents us from
Speaker 1: having a full spectrum experience throughout the chakras. So energetically
Speaker 1: you could talk about it, but also physically how we
Speaker 1: interact with others and how we take chances and when
Speaker 1: That's why I say how we travel through time and
Speaker 1: space mathematically is linked to how we can project ourselves
Speaker 1: in the future for a fuller experienced in life. That's
Speaker 1: not limited to our past. Okay, you know, I am
Speaker 1: so not good with chakras and as I was mentioning
Speaker 1: meditation and all those those types of things, you know,
Speaker 1: I hear it, I hear great things about it. I'm
Speaker 1: just so unfamiliar with it, although it's been around me
Speaker 1: at times. But when you said there how people will
Speaker 1: store trauma in their bodies, I'm a big believer of that.
Speaker 1: I'm an occupational therapist profession working with behavioral health and
Speaker 1: you know, physical disabilities and whatnot. And you ask anybody
Speaker 1: that's ever you know, hurt themselves when they're younger and
Speaker 1: it hurts them later, Oh, that's a form of trauma.
Speaker 1: But there's also the memories that get unlocked. When I'm
Speaker 1: working with a patient and they're just like, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like this happened, and they start opening up,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're working on a certain part of
Speaker 1: their body and there's start talking about something. They might
Speaker 1: get teary eyed or emotional, and it's like this unlocking
Speaker 1: and you think it's not always related. It really really
Speaker 1: isn't always related to what you're doing, but something gets
Speaker 1: unlocked there that they had stored that I think surprises
Speaker 1: them as much as it surprises a therapist like myself.
Speaker 1: Have you come across that, Yeah, definitely. I mean I've
Speaker 1: used to teach time massage with a friend of mine
Speaker 1: in Santa Barbara, and we would deal with all sorts
Speaker 1: of traumatic experiences, people in tears, certain smells that would
Speaker 1: set it off and it would almost just be like
Speaker 1: a freeing of their emotions, letting go. And so the
Speaker 1: senses are really powerful and how we interact. And oftentimes
Speaker 1: when the same sense that will come up like this,
Speaker 1: you'll see the color orange and the wind will blow
Speaker 1: and you remember that time when you're walking down the
Speaker 1: street and you saw a bunch of flowers in the
Speaker 1: wind picked up and you you tripped and fell on
Speaker 1: the sidewalk or something, and it's stored in your mind
Speaker 1: and every time you see orange now it affects how
Speaker 1: you interact with Yeah, yeah, for sure. And the thing
Speaker 1: is it's like, okay, now that they spoke of it,
Speaker 1: they released it into the air. How how do they
Speaker 1: make sure it doesn't return? You know? Uh, It's like
Speaker 1: the War and the Hearts of Men, right, It's like,
Speaker 1: how do you get that war out? I think it's
Speaker 1: cyclical because like the Indigenous talked about, time is cyclical
Speaker 1: and it and you're never cured from anything. You only
Speaker 1: just realize the relationship of the mind to the body
Speaker 1: and the potential for the opening of the heart. Interesting. Wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's such a process that the human human body,
Speaker 1: the humankind, i mean, consciousness, soul wise, it's so complicated,
Speaker 1: but it's absolutely all connected. And I don't know about you,
Speaker 1: but I get a little bit frustrated when people don't
Speaker 1: seem to acknowledge these other levels to themselves. And they're
Speaker 1: very physical and they're very just a much about what
Speaker 1: they can move with their hands or create with their hands,
Speaker 1: you know, And and don't go above and beyond. Do
Speaker 1: you think that wall, that barrier that we create is
Speaker 1: sometimes the problem in making these connections. Yeah, Um, it's
Speaker 1: it's the sort of masculine drive that can be out
Speaker 1: of balance at times in the individual where you have
Speaker 1: to strive to build buildings and monuments and um, and
Speaker 1: your own architecturally, leave your own mark, be somebody, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's becomes more important than enjoying life or having
Speaker 1: certain freedoms or interest. Um. And that's why I believe
Speaker 1: yoga is so good because like I was the same way.
Speaker 1: I walked into yoga studio for the first time and
Speaker 1: I said, oh, that guy's doing handstand, Well I could
Speaker 1: do it for five minutes. He could only do it
Speaker 1: for a minute, and that makes me better, right, right, right?
Speaker 1: And so if then that's the that's the yoking of
Speaker 1: the mind and the body and the soul as you
Speaker 1: start to realize that the physicality is just such a
Speaker 1: surface part of tip of the iceberg. No, it's so frustrating.
Speaker 1: But sometimes I'm envious of people who just stay in
Speaker 1: the physical because when you're really aware of what's going
Speaker 1: on out there, oh oh, it could really make you
Speaker 1: lose some sleep. I just I'm always blown away with
Speaker 1: some new revelations and new information and I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: there's another layer, and you know, nobody has all the answers,
Speaker 1: but we sure can help each other, right absolutely. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're constantly learning. Yeah. Yeah, it's like I just I
Speaker 1: don't know, I just uh, I get inspired every day
Speaker 1: by something new. But the geometry, the geometry, what what
Speaker 1: about that element? Well, um, I would say that also
Speaker 1: part of that is something I did was, you know,
Speaker 1: I traveled to Nasca and Peru a couple of times,
Speaker 1: and I went into the Nasca lines, I flew ahead
Speaker 1: and UM, and I saw the star glyph and the
Speaker 1: star glyph they talk about, you know, it's it's the
Speaker 1: same as this tree entra. It's essentially mathematically and and
Speaker 1: and geometrically the same UM. But also it lines up
Speaker 1: with with the Kabbala of Um the Jewish people. And
Speaker 1: then you have UM the Chicana of Peru, UM, which
Speaker 1: is a stepped up cross. And then you have this
Speaker 1: UM this UH in Planque you have Pakal's tomb and
Speaker 1: and Pocall's tomb. Is this this cross and it lines
Speaker 1: up as well, UM, and it's the world tree, the
Speaker 1: tree of life. And then you have the tree of
Speaker 1: life of course, and and uh the Nordic people. It's
Speaker 1: just kind of all Uh. It's as you know they
Speaker 1: talk about, Oh, it's as if they left something behind
Speaker 1: to show us, and it got a race, and yeah
Speaker 1: it did, and it's around the world. And that's the
Speaker 1: missing piece of it. All is is um how we
Speaker 1: travel and and UM in sacred geometry. UM is an
Speaker 1: eye opener for for how that works in the ethers.
Speaker 1: M fascinating well We're gonna get to our next break
Speaker 1: here because I want to dive into some of the
Speaker 1: more spiritual elements that you personally have have gone into. Um,
Speaker 1: because there's no way that you travel to some of
Speaker 1: the places that you have and not experienced some of
Speaker 1: the stranger elements of life. I mean, sometimes people keep
Speaker 1: it in the arena of just you know, it was
Speaker 1: an inner experience, but oh no, I know these places
Speaker 1: and they are weird. So I'm hoping that you open
Speaker 1: up about that after the break. You guys, you are
Speaker 1: listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on
Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am TERENRMAL podcast Network.
Speaker 1: Stuck around, We'll be right back with more. Eli Cobly,
Speaker 1: welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with
Speaker 1: me Heidi Hollis on the iHeart Radio and Coast to
Speaker 1: Coast am Teren Normal podcast Network. I have Eli Coberly
Speaker 1: and we were getting into his book or in the
Speaker 1: Hearts of Men, and you know, you've done some really
Speaker 1: fascinating travels. You've gone to some deep forests and spooky
Speaker 1: locations or mysterious and I am pretty certain if you've
Speaker 1: gone to these places that you've experienced something and I
Speaker 1: want to hear about it, and I'm sure the listeners
Speaker 1: do too, so please do share. Let's let's hear some
Speaker 1: of these eli sure M. One of the things that
Speaker 1: I was talking earlier about the Nasca lines in Peru,
Speaker 1: and it's the geoglyphs that are you know, etched in
Speaker 1: the desert and there are all these different glyphs and
Speaker 1: all these there's debate about where they come from, how
Speaker 1: do they you know, who actually made them? And why
Speaker 1: are they still there? All this stuff, but um, you
Speaker 1: know I've been up there over over the lines in
Speaker 1: the desert in the inn Assessina and a little plane
Speaker 1: and um. One of the things I do is I
Speaker 1: read a Kashic records, which is the ether in sort
Speaker 1: of like the past, present, potential future of the soul. Well,
Speaker 1: my teacher taught me how to read um locations and
Speaker 1: that was the most fascinating part for me, because I
Speaker 1: was like, WHOA, all the locations I've been to, what
Speaker 1: stories could they tell? And um, and you know I
Speaker 1: have a good imagine nations, so I wouldn't I wouldn't
Speaker 1: claim that this is directly from God or the or
Speaker 1: anything like that. You know, I just thought it was
Speaker 1: fascinating to experience. Um. But what I did is when
Speaker 1: I got on the plane, I opened up the acoustic
Speaker 1: records of the Nasca lines in the Nasca Desert and
Speaker 1: um and so I while I was overlooking these monkeys
Speaker 1: and uh different animals and spiders and stuff and the
Speaker 1: and the different glyphs, is I noticed um this voice,
Speaker 1: this center dialogue that was talking about people and how
Speaker 1: um the evolution of people in the DNA of the
Speaker 1: people um over the course of millennia in the desert there,
Speaker 1: and how there wash there was DNA being manipulated there.
Speaker 1: And also there was bits of colonialism, uh practices like
Speaker 1: ancient stuff looking for minerals and and um it it
Speaker 1: showed me sort of like this picture of these people
Speaker 1: walking through the desert us almost like a slave race
Speaker 1: type of people looking for minerals for for sort of
Speaker 1: like a superior organization or something like that. And I
Speaker 1: took it for face value. I didn't write about it,
Speaker 1: you know, because I wanted to have a more of
Speaker 1: a massive heel. No. No, hey, this is this is
Speaker 1: the audience for that. I mean, it's uh, we like
Speaker 1: to get into that kind of thing. So you just
Speaker 1: revealed the cashic records. I mean, this is supposedly where
Speaker 1: anything and everything has ever happened in the universe gets
Speaker 1: stored and you are able to meditate and reach this
Speaker 1: place and pull out what you'd like. Is that what
Speaker 1: you're saying. Yeah, it's a sacred prayer that is handed
Speaker 1: down and it's also just a method of getting to
Speaker 1: where consciousness is stored. And I like how you just
Speaker 1: kind of casually to say that, I just kind of
Speaker 1: skip over. Well yeah, oh no, that's a big deal
Speaker 1: because that does people well know that word and they're like,
Speaker 1: hold on. Even for myself, I did not know it
Speaker 1: by that name. I knew it as a library of knowledge,
Speaker 1: but it was something that I experienced, you know, I
Speaker 1: just something that I go back and forth to to
Speaker 1: access or something I didn't. I didn't go in there
Speaker 1: to do that. I saw it. You know, It's like,
Speaker 1: oh I knew that place, but wow, So that that's amazing.
Speaker 1: So what do you personally aim to do when you
Speaker 1: are in this state where you're I mean, if you're
Speaker 1: in front of life, God forbid, you're going out on
Speaker 1: a date, do you go a cashic record time. Let
Speaker 1: me look up and see what's this person's about and
Speaker 1: here in front of me. I mean, you're not doing
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Are you just for the heck
Speaker 1: of it to learn something like cheat a little bit? No?
Speaker 1: I do. I talk about how people use magic to
Speaker 1: cheat in my book, but I would use it for
Speaker 1: the greater good of mankind. I wouldn't abuse it. It's
Speaker 1: a great responsibility. I have you used it with like
Speaker 1: my kid's mother when we were dating. We're not anymore,
Speaker 1: but I did use it and we got some interesting
Speaker 1: you know we I said, can I read your acashic records?
Speaker 1: It's a good way to get to know someone right now?
Speaker 1: You did? I just oh, so you did do it,
Speaker 1: but you got permission first, so okay, yeah, you know
Speaker 1: it makes sense. I mean it's like, hold on, I
Speaker 1: have the answers to the universe. Let me try this,
Speaker 1: you know. I it's something that you know, I've heard
Speaker 1: people being able to access like that. I had no
Speaker 1: experience with it, but you know, there's something I wanted
Speaker 1: to mention too and talk about. I find a lot
Speaker 1: of veterans who seek these similar paths. They do a
Speaker 1: lot of deep thinking traveling trying to find this different self.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you find that you're running into a
Speaker 1: lot of veterans as well on these paths. On these paths,
Speaker 1: unless I'm at a retreat, I don't really talk to anyone.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm smiling at the indigenous people and asking them questions.
Speaker 1: I might go to a ceremony or something or meet
Speaker 1: up with a group of people for a while, but
Speaker 1: generally I'm solo and I'm meditating, and I'm writing, and
Speaker 1: I'm experiencing things, um all on my own. So I did.
Speaker 1: Actually once, now that I think of it, I ran
Speaker 1: into a guy that was stationed in Fort Bragg like
Speaker 1: I was, that was running a mule. He had a
Speaker 1: company that did tours tell Miradora in Guatemala, and he
Speaker 1: had a team of mules that he worked with and
Speaker 1: he was out there smoking cigars and you know, he
Speaker 1: was followed, but he wasn't the same. He was just
Speaker 1: offering tours, you know, for him. But I yeah, I've
Speaker 1: met some people that were veterans. I run into veterans
Speaker 1: all the time we talked, you know, I'd say more
Speaker 1: so like in California where I live. Yeah, well that's
Speaker 1: it's amazing. Yeah, I just uh, you know, it's like
Speaker 1: physically fit, you know, getting back from being enlisted and
Speaker 1: just explorers, you know, so able to just like pick
Speaker 1: up and say, hey, I need to try something different.
Speaker 1: That That's what I've I've run into quite a bit,
Speaker 1: and I commend them. I mean, how how neat to
Speaker 1: feel free enough to do that, because a lot of people,
Speaker 1: I think they get caught into the humdrum of everyday
Speaker 1: life and they don't explore, you know, they don't look
Speaker 1: into different things, and you know, and it's not always needed,
Speaker 1: of course. Um. You know, I am quite Christian myself,
Speaker 1: and I keep on that path. And but I find,
Speaker 1: you know, learning from other cultures and seeing the patterns.
Speaker 1: I'm all into patterns, uh, you know, how things connect,
Speaker 1: how we have things in common with certain things, and
Speaker 1: that might actually help others, I don't know, find balance,
Speaker 1: you know. So yeah. So, I mean, if there was
Speaker 1: anything that you hope people pull away from your book,
Speaker 1: what would that be? Um? I think it would be
Speaker 1: that that there's something greater to the mundane existence of
Speaker 1: the nine to five in the sort of commercial idealism.
Speaker 1: I think that we've been fed a lot of things
Speaker 1: that were good for money making rather than soul searching
Speaker 1: or individual connection to the to the root of uh,
Speaker 1: what's more important for the soul? Yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: think that was done on purpose. I call uh people
Speaker 1: that explain the world to us for our own good
Speaker 1: so we don't go and experience it for ourselves. I
Speaker 1: call them wizards because they, you know, just look at
Speaker 1: my hands and what I'm doing here. Don't look behind
Speaker 1: the curtain, look here, you know. So I think it's
Speaker 1: a shame and it's wonderful that somebody like yourself goes
Speaker 1: out and, you know, and find some answers and tries
Speaker 1: to reach back and help others do the same. So
Speaker 1: how people, How can people get a hold of your
Speaker 1: book or you have a website that you could share. Thanks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's War on the Hearts of Man. It's on Amazon,
Speaker 1: Barnes and Noble, and I think Cobo or something like that.
Speaker 1: Eli Coberly, And that's my website. And also Instagram. I'm
Speaker 1: preactive on there with I share a lot of photos
Speaker 1: of my travels or what I'm up to. That's Eli
Speaker 1: Coberly on Instagram. Wonderful. Well, I want to thank you
Speaker 1: so much. For coming on the show. This was interesting.
Speaker 1: I love this kind of you know, new topics. I
Speaker 1: like to explore and check out what's going on out there,
Speaker 1: and yours is really different. And I really appreciate you. Thanks, Hi,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you well. Fascinating conversation. I learned something new
Speaker 1: every day. I hope you guys did as well. And
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of I gotta tell you, guys,
Speaker 1: I have been a comic strip artist for a while.
Speaker 1: You all know this, right, and I took a bit
Speaker 1: of a hiatus from my comic, which is a paranormal
Speaker 1: comic strip called The Outlanders. Okay that there's Bigfoot, there's aliens,
Speaker 1: there's ghosts, and all the townspeople of Milltown and yeah,
Speaker 1: just quite different. And I saw I restarted up again,
Speaker 1: got more time on the hands, because boy do I
Speaker 1: keep busy. So I want to invite you to go
Speaker 1: check it out, follow it on Instagram, the Outlanders comic,
Speaker 1: and also go to the Outlanders comic dot com and
Speaker 1: tell me what you think. It's a single panel type
Speaker 1: of comic strip and it's all I ever wanted to
Speaker 1: do growing up. That sounds familiar in any plot that
Speaker 1: you've ever seen. Well, now you know the inspiration. I'm
Speaker 1: just kidding. You know. I'm a fan of Carol Burnett.
Speaker 1: I his old fashion, just some pure comedy, right, And
Speaker 1: I saw one of her before she would do her
Speaker 1: big show. She took a question from the audience and
Speaker 1: they said, what would you be doing right now if
Speaker 1: you weren't doing comedy. She's like, I always wanted to
Speaker 1: be a comic strip artist. And then I'm like, my
Speaker 1: jaw hit the floor and I'm like, I just love
Speaker 1: her even more now, you know. I was like, just
Speaker 1: totally after my heart because hot dignity dog that is me.
Speaker 1: So yeah, please go check it out. And also, you guys,
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Speaker 1: and tell me your stories. The more detailed, the better. Okay,
Speaker 1: please do not send me those one liners. I get
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Speaker 1: I think I need to put a page on my
Speaker 1: side with some of the drawings and photos and whatnot,
Speaker 1: and I think I might have mentioned that here on
Speaker 1: the program, but oh man, a time gets away from me,
Speaker 1: and I'm like to think put that I'm in And
Speaker 1: by the way, you guys, I on my next show,
Speaker 1: I might have a really really big announcement that might
Speaker 1: be really up your alley. Uh huh, yes, I think
Speaker 1: you're going to find it interesting. But anyways, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm teasing me because I two people contact me and
Speaker 1: say when are you going to do this? In the
Speaker 1: same day guys, So I'm taking the hint and I'm
Speaker 1: going to dedicate my next weekend to getting something done.
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