1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm George Nori and welcome to the new iHeartRadio 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Like us 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: on Facebook, tell your friends and share us with everyone. 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: This is an exciting new network that will feature podcasts 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 1: of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained. Now, please sit 6 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: back and enjoy Dark Becomes Light with Heidi Hollis. Welcome 7 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and opinions 8 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions only 9 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast to 10 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: Coast AM, employees of premier networks, or their sponsors and associates. 11 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: We would like to encourage you to do your own 12 00:00:47,840 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: research and discover the subject matter for yourself. You are 13 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: listening to Dark Becomes Light with Me, Heidi Hollis on 14 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast they AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 15 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to my show. Remember each week this is the 16 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: place you go to when you want to hear the 17 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: latest when it comes to anything out of the ordinary, 18 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: from Hello, Shadow People, to hat Man, Bigfoot, to locknth 19 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: and all of the above and in betweens yep, you 20 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: have come to the right place. What does that indicate? 21 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: What does that always mean? Well, one thing quite unique 22 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: about my program is I welcome you the listener, to 23 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: go to my main website and tell me your stories. 24 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: Tell me what you've experienced, near death, experience as angels, 25 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: all that, all that stuff. I don't care if Bigfoot 26 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: through like a can at your window. I don't know 27 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: why you would do that, but I don't care if 28 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: he does that. Even so does tell me about is 29 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: there a rumor in the family? I mean, what's what's 30 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: going on? Because on this show we like to find 31 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: the patterns discuss them. And I do have fun on 32 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: this program. I do, I really do. I'm really contrary 33 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 1: to popular belief. I'm just kidding. I have a good 34 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: time all the time. But it could be really dark 35 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: and heavy stuff, you know. And if there's ever a 36 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: criticism I've ever received, it's like, wow, you sound like 37 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: you're you're enjoying this demonic stuff way too much. And 38 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, no, no, you don't understand. It's like 39 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: I want to be able to talk about all these 40 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: things as I would anything. And I am pretty laid 41 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: back and try to keep things on the up and up. 42 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: And I just find that to be important because when 43 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: we put it in a category where you have to 44 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: be scary and all that, it can shut down a 45 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: lot of brains. And we do not need any more 46 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 1: closed brains around here. So anyways, um yeah, so ay, 47 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,279 Speaker 1: who I gotta tell you guys, today's an interesting program. 48 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 1: I have a guest that this covers something quite unique. 49 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: His name is Eli Koberly, and he's going to be 50 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: discussing his new book War in the Hearts of Men, 51 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: and uh, it's it's it's a balance of a lot 52 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: of different things. You have to you have to hear 53 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: them because it's a topic that I personally am not 54 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: as well versed in symbology, cosmology. Um, you know, it's 55 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: like yoga. I don't know how to meditate to save 56 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,839 Speaker 1: my life. I always think one day I'll try more, 57 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: but I usually just fall asleep when I've tried. It's 58 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: really bad. But that's just so me. That's yeah. Um, 59 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: But anyways, I heard that's the first step is to 60 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: relax as fall asleep and then hopefully meditate and guide it. 61 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: But I have really lucid dreams, so I can roll 62 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,119 Speaker 1: a lot what's going on and a lot of out 63 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: of body experiences all the time. So um, yeah, yeah, 64 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: I call myself a slider. I think I'm sliding the 65 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: people's body is quite a bit and it actually it 66 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: has been something that it happens. Yeah. So anyways, guess 67 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: what we're gonna discuss in this first segment before I 68 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: get my guests on after the break. Um. You know, 69 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: I have received a lot of people sending me messages saying, hey, Heidi, 70 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:34,239 Speaker 1: your topic that you put out there, hat Man, there's 71 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: this thing about Benadrill. Oh I don't even want to 72 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: repeat it. Almost it's like people taking Benadrill to have 73 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 1: meetings with hat Man. I should say, that's the next 74 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 1: layer of this craziness that people are doing. It's like, 75 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: how do you feel about that? Oh? Just oh the angst, 76 00:04:54,720 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: the angst, the anger, the upsetness. Oh, I mean wow, 77 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: who would want to conjure these things? And that guy 78 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: in particular, who would want to do that? That is 79 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: not okay, That is not okay. That is such dangerous stuff. 80 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: I mean, why don't you just why? I'm not even 81 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: gonna make suggestions. I can't even make suggestions because it's 82 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: just so bad. I'm like, I don't know what anybody 83 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: would want to welcome something that's the equivalent of the 84 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: devil in your life or in your bed for that matter, 85 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: or in your bedroom to even look at you walking 86 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: down the street. You would not. I have had people 87 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: who've seen them once and it's like disrupted their life. 88 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: It is so dangerous. I don't know why people have 89 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: found this to be a fascinating thing. And I'll tell 90 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: you also, this is one of the reasons why I 91 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: feel quite a bit of responsibility and putting word out 92 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: there on these topics. I mean, I've discussed it here 93 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: in this program. I remember before I was born. I 94 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: remember agreeing to discuss these things to make people aware 95 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: because they were happening anyways. But the responsibility is, you know, 96 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: giving the name to this thing, and people misspell it 97 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: and make it like it's batman or something. I have 98 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: two separate words hat man, just because, just because, And 99 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: then people want to judge, Well, that's all, you know, 100 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 1: there's a little reason why you were to do it 101 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: that way, is to say it's just a man and 102 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: a hat. Well, I don't want to give them too 103 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: much respect, you understand me, But um, one of the reasons, 104 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,799 Speaker 1: like you know, it's like, well, why trademark the phenomenon? 105 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: You know we're all been experiencing. Well, no, I trademark 106 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,799 Speaker 1: the name of it, trying to help slow the role 107 00:06:55,040 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: of this thing that people are again now it's really 108 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: clear finding his entertainment a way to tap into the 109 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: other world, you know. And uh, but it's not it's 110 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: not been an easy thing. It's not been an easy 111 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: task as uh. You know at one point, you know, 112 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: as a regular on coast to coast as a guest, 113 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: and you have millions and millions of listeners worldwide. So 114 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: people heard me talking about this, giving it a name, 115 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: hat man and a shadow people phenomenon, and uh so 116 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: to say they didn't know where it came from. Well, 117 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: if you know the topic, it trickle trickle down. And 118 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: uh it's it's like it's become this other beast of 119 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: board young adults and teens and kids like you want 120 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: to see something spooky, let's do this. It's like no, no, 121 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: it's like, uh, you know, taking it to another level 122 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: of oh no, this is going to cause you problems 123 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: and a very deep soul like level. So um, please, 124 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: anybody within earshot if you know of somebody that's discussing 125 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: doing that. These various social media platforms that are having 126 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: barrages of people talking on these topics without knowing what 127 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: they're dealing with. And again, another element of the responsibility 128 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: is even when like producers and stuff come or people 129 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: that it's like I want to do a book on this, 130 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: or oh I want to you know, focus my whole 131 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: life on these topics, I'm like, watch out, okay, because oh, 132 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: I've been involved in projects that have had major issues 133 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: because they focused on these topics. So people have their assumptions. 134 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: Why with somebody want to you know, it's not to 135 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: quite literally own something, it's try to hope that people 136 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: will be deterred to not dive as deep. You know 137 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's like so dangerous on a soul level, 138 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: and it's like uh, And then of course there's the 139 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: building up their name to be somebody to go to 140 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: on these subjects and they're like, oh, and don't be 141 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: afraid of it. By the way, it's okay, it's just 142 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 1: there to watch Oh no, oh no, it's not entertainment. 143 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: And there's a big risk to people that look into 144 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: these topics at a level they just can't imagine. And 145 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: I'll give you a quick example of um without giving 146 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: too much detail. I'm somebody that approached and said I'm 147 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 1: going to go make a film on this. I'm like, don't, 148 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: don't do it, please don't. And they didn't listen, and 149 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: they regretted their decision. And honestly, I am not kidding 150 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: you when I say, just today I learned of the 151 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: outcome of that adventure, and this person is no longer 152 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: in the public eye. Let's put it that way. They 153 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: didn't die, from my understanding. But oh it didn't. It's 154 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: just bad. It's just bad, guys, just bad. It just 155 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: doesn't ever seem to go well. And I understood and 156 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: my life agreement. I'm supposed to do this stuff, and 157 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: I feel extra protected, you know, And and I don't know. 158 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I've been doing okay with it thus far. 159 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: And I'm a one woman show. I don't have a 160 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 1: big team of people saying hurrah, you know, how do 161 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: you go and do that? Don't forget this other thing 162 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: that you got going on over here. No, No, it's 163 00:10:56,080 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: just me doing my best, trying to follow through and 164 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: what I agreed to do, and it's it's something I 165 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: would never ever change. And uh, you know, letting people 166 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: know in the millions about two phenomenon was a humbling experience, 167 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: a very scary experience. Imagine this from somebody who was 168 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: absolutely terrified of any amount of public speaking. Um. But 169 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: out of necessity and getting my memories back, I knew 170 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: I needed to. I had to. Um. So it's been. 171 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: It's been really quite a right. And I was just 172 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: talking to a friend today actually about how I needed 173 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: to take breaks in the beginning, like, oh, I can't, 174 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: I can't talk on these things anymore. Like I just 175 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: needed to have some normalcy, like I was a college kid, 176 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: just like, oh, I need to breathe, and uh, you know, 177 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 1: it was quite a process, um, and you know, and 178 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: now I'm like I just kind of steadily go and 179 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 1: get a little exhausted and then keep going and get 180 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: little exhausted and keep going. Um. The exhausting part now 181 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: is seeing the explode of people offering their souls up 182 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: to Satan. M Yeah, because that's what's going on. People 183 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: are getting possessed by hat Man, people are getting abused 184 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: by it, and it's on such a grand, big scale. 185 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: If it is not handled properly, it's going to end 186 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: very bad for all involved. I've seen it on horrible scale, 187 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: whether they're physically attacked, emotionally attacked, spiritually attacked, medically, I 188 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: mean every level. So yeah, the warning is out there, 189 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: and you know for people that are dabbling in it, 190 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: and it's like, well, it doesn't bother me. You know, 191 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 1: I'm touching on this and I don't have anything happened. 192 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 1: You know, there's something to be said about people who 193 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 1: are doing the work of dark stuff too. I mean, 194 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: we don't know the intentions behind a lot of stuff 195 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: and a lot of people, so we got to be 196 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: weary and leary of that as well. It's a real element, 197 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 1: let me tell you. Wow. Well, guys, I hope that 198 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: helped clear my position on it. It ain't good. It's 199 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 1: not entertainment. It is to be contained about that, all right, 200 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: You guys. You are listening to Darkie Comes Light with 201 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 1: Me Ighty Hollis on the iHeart Radio at Coast to 202 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 1: Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Stick around, We'll be right 203 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: back with Eli Coberly. Welcome back. You are listening to 204 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: Darkie Comes Light with Me Heighty Hollis on the iHeart 205 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: Radio at Coast to Coast am Paranormal podcast Network. As promised, 206 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 1: I have Eli Coberly. He is a world traveler and 207 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: seeker of truth through adventure, and at seventeen he left 208 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: his home to fulfill his dream of becoming an army paratrooper, 209 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: and at twenty he was honorably discharge. It began his 210 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: search for a new dream. Eli's writing has taken him 211 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: worldwide to explore a few of the bigger questions of 212 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: our human existence, and his prophetic worldview combines military service, counterculture, 213 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: and the anthropology and archaeology of the world's religious symbols. 214 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: He has studied the migration of the indigenous and ingusted 215 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: their medicine, absorbed their art, and embodied their cosma vision 216 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: so in the war. In the Hearts of Men, Eli's 217 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: new book, he details his lifeline quest to understand the 218 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: Maya culture and its impact on the present. He also 219 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: shares his discovery of the artistry of stone carved symbols 220 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: on the heels of his extensive travels to both Central 221 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: and South America. A yoga therapist, Eli has been a 222 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: student of yoga for over a decade and when he 223 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: isn't writing or practicing yoga. Eli can be found examining 224 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: the Tibetan Buddhist tradition, sitting in ceremony with Maya priests, 225 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: and traversing caves deep in the Belize jungle. So I 226 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: would like to welcome Eli Coberly to the show. How 227 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: are you doing today? There? Eli? I'm great? How do 228 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: you thinks for asking? Yeah, so you've got literally a 229 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: world of experiences that top most people that I know. 230 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: Quite the background there, So tell me a little bit 231 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: about how you got into seeking the answers that you have. Well, 232 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: I noticed how people relate, and I notice that after 233 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: learning yoga, I noticed the two sexes, the masculine and feminine, 234 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: and how they're not innate to necessarily a male or 235 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: a female. That we all have those traits within us, 236 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: and I wanted to explain a lot of the reasons 237 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: why the feminine had been suppressed, and so me having 238 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: a type A mind and very analytical um, I found 239 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: a way to explain it technically and embody the practices 240 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: around the world. Oh No, that's fascinating because I do 241 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: hear more of these esoteric approaches, and you came about 242 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: it for the type A like you said, it's like 243 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: that's that's interesting. That's something I don't hear about all 244 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: the time. So tell us how that, uh you know 245 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: has gone. I mean, so you were looking and traveling 246 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: following your service. We appreciate you. And how did that 247 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: begin with some of the travels or was the first 248 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: place that you went to that helped you connect some 249 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: of these dots? Well? Um, the first place is actually 250 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: caracoll in Belieze in the jungle. Um it's a Maya 251 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: site and um it means snail in Spanish, but it's 252 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: really a spiral. So it sort of spiraled out from 253 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: there and I begin and to become more interested in 254 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: UM and why we're here and what you know. And 255 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: it was on it was right before the twenty and 256 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: twelve thing, and everyone was afraid of all these things 257 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: and you know, the end of the world doomsday, and 258 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: I thought, oh, I don't know about that. And I 259 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 1: kind of started learning more about the cyclical nature of 260 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: time and UM and relationship to the universe and things 261 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 1: like that. The cosmology essentially, can you expand a bit 262 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: on that, Like, so you were what what is it 263 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: exactly the cosmology of what? Like, how did you what 264 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: was it? Oh, well, I mean there specifically the the 265 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: Maya cosmology, the people of Central America, the indigenous um 266 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: and how they have the relation to the sun, moon 267 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: and stars, like the the Vedic tradition of India. UM 268 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 1: and so yoga and hotel Yoga means sun and moon, 269 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: and it means a relationship between the masculine and the 270 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: feminine within. And so I discovered that people around the world, 271 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: indigenous or otherwise, we're practicing these things just like the 272 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 1: ancient yogis. And one in particular was the Maya people 273 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: that I really warmed up to UM after going there, 274 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 1: and I started to go sight after sight after sight 275 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 1: and region after region, and I developed um sort of 276 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:29,199 Speaker 1: opinion on how it sort of went down based on 277 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: reading some of the codexes and studying a number of 278 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: the the glyphs and so. Yeah. So that I started 279 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:46,719 Speaker 1: to realize is that um yoga is essentially universal throughout 280 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: the world and UM and and I started to study 281 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:55,479 Speaker 1: the art and the architecture and notice the similarities and UM. 282 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 1: I noticed that the yoking, which yoga means to yoke, 283 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: the yoking of the masculine and the femm was a 284 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: embodied practice that went much deeper than you'd ever know. Wow, 285 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: you know, I see you're a yoga therapist and it's 286 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: a Whenever I think of it, it just seems to 287 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,959 Speaker 1: be one of those very quite peaceful acts that I 288 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 1: can never do, like I fall asleep if I'm sitting 289 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: trying to meditate, you know, and do anything that looks 290 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: or feels like it's a relaxing type of thing. And 291 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: they say, well, that's the first step. You know, you're 292 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: good at this. I'm like, I'm kinda getting comfortable to 293 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: take a nap, I guess. But I mean, how does 294 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 1: a person, uh you know, expand into this to get 295 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: this better knowledge? Your book is called War in the 296 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: Hearts of Men, and you're you're a yoga therapist, so 297 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: I mean it sounds like a contrasts But you found 298 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: this method to link everything because it is a worldwide 299 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: feel or vibe out there as you're explaining, So where 300 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: did it lead you? And how do people tap in? Uh? Well, 301 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: I mean, I you know, I I've I needed to 302 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 1: have a reason to explore these inner and outer landscapes 303 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: of the micro and macrocosm of myself in the world 304 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: because I experienced things in the in the army and 305 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: overseas that we're damaging to my psyche and traumatic and 306 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: so um so. I think a lot of people, I 307 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: realize they're dealing with trauma from war. And it's not 308 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: just because of how they they're necessarily in war, but 309 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: maybe generationally or passed down through DNA. It's all we've 310 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: all been affected by it. And so you know, this 311 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: war within, this war without is the same concept. So 312 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: um you know, and if you sit and you meditate 313 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 1: and take a deep breath, one breath is better than 314 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: no breaths. Um So, I guess you're asking it. Oh, 315 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: how how can we get started in something like this? Yeah? 316 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: For me, I just was forced to. I was I 317 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: was helping a friend move and he lived in the 318 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,479 Speaker 1: mid West and he was getting his doctorate and I 319 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: had time on my hands, and so he said, coming 320 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: to yoga every morning. I went to yoga. Oh wow. Really, 321 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: I've been invited to some strange things too, but I'm 322 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: not good at it. Just like like, oh, that's that's fascinating. 323 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: I'm standing over here to watch you do it. So 324 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 1: you just like it just hit that right note for you? Yeah, 325 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: I was having trouble anyway, kind of coming to terms 326 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: with stuff, you know, if you have later on. You know. Actually, 327 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: just this past year, I got diagnosed with PTSD, so 328 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: I from the military experience, and I was asking it 329 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: for a really long time, and yoga was the thing 330 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 1: that brought it up. And then since I'm such a 331 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 1: type and interested in all these I was into extreme 332 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: sports and all this, I started to realize, like, oh, 333 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: like yoga is foreverone. It's not just a religious dogma, 334 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: though there is religion within it, but also, um there's 335 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,719 Speaker 1: all everyone is at different speeds and everyone moves in 336 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 1: different ways and has different experiences. UM. So I just 337 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: I just felt like that was kind of a great 338 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: thing for me to be a part of. UM is 339 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: understanding how I my life could be like a blueprint 340 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: and not such a domestic way of you know, seven 341 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,239 Speaker 1: Steps to freedom. Maybe it could be this is what 342 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: I did, and use my life as an example. Read 343 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: the book and see how you could potentially do your 344 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 1: own trip. Yeah, I see, that's cool. You know, I've 345 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: heard a lot of military service people that whether they 346 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: were in war or not, you know that it's just 347 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 1: such a shift and the reality to come back to 348 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: civilian life, and it's it's it's just it's too much. 349 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: So I can see how creating that inner balance since 350 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: the outer has changed, you know, from your other balance, 351 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 1: where you've got to strike this chord. So an interesting title. 352 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 1: Tell us about this book A bit so war in 353 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: the hearts of men? What is this? Where's this going? 354 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: What is it really about? Well, um, I you know, 355 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: I love metaphors, and I love speaking in metaphors, and 356 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: I love like Joseph Campbell and others like that. And 357 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: so what Maya means in Sanskrit is the illusion, and 358 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: so illusion is magic, and so I sort of talk 359 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 1: about how leaders in the book use magic through symbolism, 360 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: and I use I use the Maya people as a 361 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: backdrop to okay, what did they do and what led 362 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: to their demise right their extinction? And how do they 363 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 1: trust certain factions of other societies that led to their demise, 364 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: And a lot of it's about colonialism, and it ties 365 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 1: into what I saw when I went overseas, with expansion 366 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: of oil production in Saudi Arabia and jet fighters being built. 367 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: And I went over there right after the Cobar towers 368 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: got blew up and so that was a giant facility 369 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: for business and for colonialism. So I my book is 370 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: sort of chronicles my travels throughout Central America, uncovering these 371 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: art pieces and glyphs that talk about worldwide expansion pre 372 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: Spanish influence in Central America, and I contrasted with how 373 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,959 Speaker 1: we're doing it today and how we've done it and 374 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: where I see that it's headed. And also I use 375 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: the indigenous folklore and myths and also prophecies to paint 376 00:24:55,720 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 1: a picture of the future and how it might change. Nice. Well, hey, 377 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: maybe we could get into some of those prophecies and 378 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: the change that you're hoping to encourage. 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You are listening to 389 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis, Annie iHeartRadio and 390 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast Dan Paranormal Podcast Network. We have our 391 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: guest here, Eli Coberly, and we are discussing his book 392 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 1: War in the Hearts of Men. And you've come across 393 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: some really fascinating elements that you wanted to share when 394 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 1: it comes to ancient rituals and geometry and how it 395 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: has affected today and how you can change it. So 396 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: let's let's get into some of that. Sure sounds good. Um. 397 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 1: One of the places that I know is really popular 398 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: in this vein is Polank and Chiapas, Mexico, and you 399 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: know you've seen a lot of that ancient aliens. They 400 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: talk about it. And one of the things that I've 401 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: linked is this um. If you go to the Cross group, 402 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: it's a it's a site or a part in Polank 403 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: where there's three pyramids and they have a story to 404 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: tell with the lineages in the cosmos and this sort 405 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: of thing. But in the very center of those three pyramids, 406 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: down on the ground is like maybe what might have 407 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: been a sacrificial platform or something like that. But if 408 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 1: you if you were to h take a drone and 409 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: fly it above, you would see a cross right. And 410 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 1: you know, uh what I you know, a Christian cross 411 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,880 Speaker 1: is really popular when the Spanish people started to show 412 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: up on the shores of the Central America to um 413 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: enslave the indigenous and take their land. Um. But the 414 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,959 Speaker 1: reason why it was so popular is to them they 415 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 1: already had a cross, right and they noticed that so um, 416 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 1: that cross in the center there is actually has corners, 417 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: and it has angles and sides. And if you line 418 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: it up on the street Onter which is the ancient 419 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: divisive India, you will see that it lines up perfectly 420 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: if it's to scale. And so um, what you find 421 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: out is not only is the strie entre um of 422 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: India and this thing in in plank, not only are 423 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: they m mathematically the same as the same number of 424 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: spinal stegments and teeth that we have in our mouth. 425 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: Plus h the seven chakras, which is a rainbow. Um, 426 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 1: you have seventy two okay, yeah, and so seventy two 427 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: um times two is one hundred and forty four, and 428 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,479 Speaker 1: um one hundred and forty four is the number of 429 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: or one hundred and forty four thousand or seventy two thousand? 430 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: Is this the number of certain lengths of time that 431 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: the Maya measure in the cosmos? And uh in our okay? Wow? 432 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: And yeah. And so what I figured out is that um, 433 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: the ancients um all around the world, and this is 434 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: something that they won't talk about in ancient aliens or 435 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: other things, or maybe they have. I haven't seen episodes 436 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: in a while. But UM is that we have a 437 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: mathematic equation written in stone and symbology that represents the 438 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: body and how it travels through time and space and karmically. 439 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: It's it's linked to interesting potential. Well, okay, and what 440 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: can we do about it? What can we do about this? 441 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: There are potential I always talk about the human potential, 442 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: and I don't feel like things are necessarily written in stone, 443 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: though it may be an ancient ruin somewhere. But but 444 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: I'm always optimistic that we can change our patterns, change 445 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: our ways and you know, make something, you know, learn 446 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: from our past mistakes that are etched in stone. You know. Um, 447 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: you know, it's like, how do we how do we 448 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: make sure that we're you know, keeping it rolling and 449 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: serving ourselves better. Well, what I figured out is if 450 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: it's mathematical the way we travel through time and space 451 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: and and there's trauma, Well, each chakra in the Vedic 452 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: tradition of India talks about emotions, right, And there's different 453 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: time periods and it overlaps. So oh, there's only five chakras, 454 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: there's seven, you know, depends on the time period. But 455 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: what I will say is that you know, one example 456 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,719 Speaker 1: would be the first chakra would be the root chakra. 457 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: And maybe when you were young and you were growing up, 458 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: someone told you that you weren't good enough, and you 459 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: believe them. And what I do know is that trauma 460 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: gets stored in the body, right, And so if trauma 461 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: is stored in the body, we believe that in our 462 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: mind chemically that that trauma and it prevents us from 463 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: having a full spectrum experience throughout the chakras. So energetically 464 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: you could talk about it, but also physically how we 465 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: interact with others and how we take chances and when 466 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: That's why I say how we travel through time and 467 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: space mathematically is linked to how we can project ourselves 468 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: in the future for a fuller experienced in life. That's 469 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: not limited to our past. Okay, you know, I am 470 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: so not good with chakras and as I was mentioning 471 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: meditation and all those those types of things, you know, 472 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: I hear it, I hear great things about it. I'm 473 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: just so unfamiliar with it, although it's been around me 474 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: at times. But when you said there how people will 475 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: store trauma in their bodies, I'm a big believer of that. 476 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: I'm an occupational therapist profession working with behavioral health and 477 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: you know, physical disabilities and whatnot. And you ask anybody 478 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: that's ever you know, hurt themselves when they're younger and 479 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,719 Speaker 1: it hurts them later, Oh, that's a form of trauma. 480 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: But there's also the memories that get unlocked. When I'm 481 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: working with a patient and they're just like, you know, 482 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: you know, it's like this happened, and they start opening up, 483 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: you know, when you're working on a certain part of 484 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: their body and there's start talking about something. They might 485 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: get teary eyed or emotional, and it's like this unlocking 486 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: and you think it's not always related. It really really 487 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: isn't always related to what you're doing, but something gets 488 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: unlocked there that they had stored that I think surprises 489 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: them as much as it surprises a therapist like myself. 490 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: Have you come across that, Yeah, definitely. I mean I've 491 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: used to teach time massage with a friend of mine 492 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: in Santa Barbara, and we would deal with all sorts 493 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: of traumatic experiences, people in tears, certain smells that would 494 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: set it off and it would almost just be like 495 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: a freeing of their emotions, letting go. And so the 496 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: senses are really powerful and how we interact. And oftentimes 497 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: when the same sense that will come up like this, 498 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: you'll see the color orange and the wind will blow 499 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: and you remember that time when you're walking down the 500 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: street and you saw a bunch of flowers in the 501 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: wind picked up and you you tripped and fell on 502 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 1: the sidewalk or something, and it's stored in your mind 503 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,719 Speaker 1: and every time you see orange now it affects how 504 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: you interact with Yeah, yeah, for sure. And the thing 505 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: is it's like, okay, now that they spoke of it, 506 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: they released it into the air. How how do they 507 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: make sure it doesn't return? You know? Uh, It's like 508 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: the War and the Hearts of Men, right, It's like, 509 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: how do you get that war out? I think it's 510 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: cyclical because like the Indigenous talked about, time is cyclical 511 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: and it and you're never cured from anything. You only 512 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: just realize the relationship of the mind to the body 513 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: and the potential for the opening of the heart. Interesting. Wow, yeah, 514 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: I mean it's such a process that the human human body, 515 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: the humankind, i mean, consciousness, soul wise, it's so complicated, 516 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: but it's absolutely all connected. And I don't know about you, 517 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: but I get a little bit frustrated when people don't 518 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: seem to acknowledge these other levels to themselves. And they're 519 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: very physical and they're very just a much about what 520 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: they can move with their hands or create with their hands, 521 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: you know, And and don't go above and beyond. Do 522 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: you think that wall, that barrier that we create is 523 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:25,720 Speaker 1: sometimes the problem in making these connections. Yeah, Um, it's 524 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: it's the sort of masculine drive that can be out 525 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: of balance at times in the individual where you have 526 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: to strive to build buildings and monuments and um, and 527 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: your own architecturally, leave your own mark, be somebody, you know, 528 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: and that's becomes more important than enjoying life or having 529 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 1: certain freedoms or interest. Um. And that's why I believe 530 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: yoga is so good because like I was the same way. 531 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 1: I walked into yoga studio for the first time and 532 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: I said, oh, that guy's doing handstand, Well I could 533 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: do it for five minutes. He could only do it 534 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,240 Speaker 1: for a minute, and that makes me better, right, right, right? 535 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: And so if then that's the that's the yoking of 536 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 1: the mind and the body and the soul as you 537 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: start to realize that the physicality is just such a 538 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: surface part of tip of the iceberg. No, it's so frustrating. 539 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: But sometimes I'm envious of people who just stay in 540 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 1: the physical because when you're really aware of what's going 541 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,799 Speaker 1: on out there, oh oh, it could really make you 542 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: lose some sleep. I just I'm always blown away with 543 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 1: some new revelations and new information and I'm like, wow, 544 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 1: there's another layer, and you know, nobody has all the answers, 545 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: but we sure can help each other, right absolutely. Yeah, 546 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: we're constantly learning. Yeah. Yeah, it's like I just I 547 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: don't know, I just uh, I get inspired every day 548 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 1: by something new. But the geometry, the geometry, what what 549 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 1: about that element? Well, um, I would say that also 550 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 1: part of that is something I did was, you know, 551 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: I traveled to Nasca and Peru a couple of times, 552 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: and I went into the Nasca lines, I flew ahead 553 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: and UM, and I saw the star glyph and the 554 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: star glyph they talk about, you know, it's it's the 555 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,359 Speaker 1: same as this tree entra. It's essentially mathematically and and 556 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: and geometrically the same UM. But also it lines up 557 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 1: with with the Kabbala of Um the Jewish people. And 558 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: then you have UM the Chicana of Peru, UM, which 559 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 1: is a stepped up cross. And then you have this 560 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 1: UM this UH in Planque you have Pakal's tomb and 561 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 1: and Pocall's tomb. Is this this cross and it lines 562 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: up as well, UM, and it's the world tree, the 563 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: tree of life. And then you have the tree of 564 00:36:55,640 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: life of course, and and uh the Nordic people. It's 565 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 1: just kind of all Uh. It's as you know they 566 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 1: talk about, Oh, it's as if they left something behind 567 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,399 Speaker 1: to show us, and it got a race, and yeah 568 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: it did, and it's around the world. And that's the 569 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 1: missing piece of it. All is is um how we 570 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 1: travel and and UM in sacred geometry. UM is an 571 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 1: eye opener for for how that works in the ethers. 572 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 1: M fascinating well We're gonna get to our next break 573 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 1: here because I want to dive into some of the 574 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: more spiritual elements that you personally have have gone into. Um, 575 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,360 Speaker 1: because there's no way that you travel to some of 576 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 1: the places that you have and not experienced some of 577 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 1: the stranger elements of life. I mean, sometimes people keep 578 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 1: it in the arena of just you know, it was 579 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 1: an inner experience, but oh no, I know these places 580 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: and they are weird. So I'm hoping that you open 581 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,319 Speaker 1: up about that after the break. You guys, you are 582 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 1: listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on 583 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am TERENRMAL podcast Network. 584 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: Stuck around, We'll be right back with more. Eli Cobly, 585 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 1: welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with 586 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: me Heidi Hollis on the iHeart Radio and Coast to 587 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:41,400 Speaker 1: Coast am Teren Normal podcast Network. I have Eli Coberly 588 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: and we were getting into his book or in the 589 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,760 Speaker 1: Hearts of Men, and you know, you've done some really 590 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,880 Speaker 1: fascinating travels. You've gone to some deep forests and spooky 591 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,839 Speaker 1: locations or mysterious and I am pretty certain if you've 592 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 1: gone to these places that you've experienced something and I 593 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 1: want to hear about it, and I'm sure the listeners 594 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 1: do too, so please do share. Let's let's hear some 595 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: of these eli sure M. One of the things that 596 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 1: I was talking earlier about the Nasca lines in Peru, 597 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 1: and it's the geoglyphs that are you know, etched in 598 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 1: the desert and there are all these different glyphs and 599 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,359 Speaker 1: all these there's debate about where they come from, how 600 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 1: do they you know, who actually made them? And why 601 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 1: are they still there? All this stuff, but um, you 602 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 1: know I've been up there over over the lines in 603 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,880 Speaker 1: the desert in the inn Assessina and a little plane 604 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,239 Speaker 1: and um. One of the things I do is I 605 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 1: read a Kashic records, which is the ether in sort 606 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,799 Speaker 1: of like the past, present, potential future of the soul. Well, 607 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: my teacher taught me how to read um locations and 608 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,719 Speaker 1: that was the most fascinating part for me, because I 609 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 1: was like, WHOA, all the locations I've been to, what 610 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 1: stories could they tell? And um, and you know I 611 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 1: have a good imagine nations, so I wouldn't I wouldn't 612 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,840 Speaker 1: claim that this is directly from God or the or 613 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 1: anything like that. You know, I just thought it was 614 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 1: fascinating to experience. Um. But what I did is when 615 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,760 Speaker 1: I got on the plane, I opened up the acoustic 616 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 1: records of the Nasca lines in the Nasca Desert and 617 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:23,840 Speaker 1: um and so I while I was overlooking these monkeys 618 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: and uh different animals and spiders and stuff and the 619 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:32,200 Speaker 1: and the different glyphs, is I noticed um this voice, 620 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 1: this center dialogue that was talking about people and how 621 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 1: um the evolution of people in the DNA of the 622 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,759 Speaker 1: people um over the course of millennia in the desert there, 623 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:48,279 Speaker 1: and how there wash there was DNA being manipulated there. 624 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:55,279 Speaker 1: And also there was bits of colonialism, uh practices like 625 00:40:55,400 --> 00:41:00,080 Speaker 1: ancient stuff looking for minerals and and um it it 626 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 1: showed me sort of like this picture of these people 627 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,359 Speaker 1: walking through the desert us almost like a slave race 628 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 1: type of people looking for minerals for for sort of 629 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 1: like a superior organization or something like that. And I 630 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 1: took it for face value. I didn't write about it, 631 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,080 Speaker 1: you know, because I wanted to have a more of 632 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 1: a massive heel. No. No, hey, this is this is 633 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 1: the audience for that. I mean, it's uh, we like 634 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 1: to get into that kind of thing. So you just 635 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,520 Speaker 1: revealed the cashic records. I mean, this is supposedly where 636 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 1: anything and everything has ever happened in the universe gets 637 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 1: stored and you are able to meditate and reach this 638 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 1: place and pull out what you'd like. Is that what 639 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,480 Speaker 1: you're saying. Yeah, it's a sacred prayer that is handed 640 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 1: down and it's also just a method of getting to 641 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 1: where consciousness is stored. And I like how you just 642 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,960 Speaker 1: kind of casually to say that, I just kind of 643 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 1: skip over. Well yeah, oh no, that's a big deal 644 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,239 Speaker 1: because that does people well know that word and they're like, 645 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,960 Speaker 1: hold on. Even for myself, I did not know it 646 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,800 Speaker 1: by that name. I knew it as a library of knowledge, 647 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 1: but it was something that I experienced, you know, I 648 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 1: just something that I go back and forth to to 649 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 1: access or something I didn't. I didn't go in there 650 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,440 Speaker 1: to do that. I saw it. You know, It's like, 651 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: oh I knew that place, but wow, So that that's amazing. 652 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,440 Speaker 1: So what do you personally aim to do when you 653 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,399 Speaker 1: are in this state where you're I mean, if you're 654 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,000 Speaker 1: in front of life, God forbid, you're going out on 655 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,640 Speaker 1: a date, do you go a cashic record time. Let 656 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,040 Speaker 1: me look up and see what's this person's about and 657 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 1: here in front of me. I mean, you're not doing 658 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,200 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Are you just for the heck 659 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 1: of it to learn something like cheat a little bit? No? 660 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,160 Speaker 1: I do. I talk about how people use magic to 661 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:56,719 Speaker 1: cheat in my book, but I would use it for 662 00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:01,520 Speaker 1: the greater good of mankind. I wouldn't abuse it. It's 663 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 1: a great responsibility. I have you used it with like 664 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,160 Speaker 1: my kid's mother when we were dating. We're not anymore, 665 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,760 Speaker 1: but I did use it and we got some interesting 666 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,720 Speaker 1: you know we I said, can I read your acashic records? 667 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 1: It's a good way to get to know someone right now? 668 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,120 Speaker 1: You did? I just oh, so you did do it, 669 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:25,840 Speaker 1: but you got permission first, so okay, yeah, you know 670 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,000 Speaker 1: it makes sense. I mean it's like, hold on, I 671 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,920 Speaker 1: have the answers to the universe. Let me try this, 672 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,880 Speaker 1: you know. I it's something that you know, I've heard 673 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,319 Speaker 1: people being able to access like that. I had no 674 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,840 Speaker 1: experience with it, but you know, there's something I wanted 675 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,000 Speaker 1: to mention too and talk about. I find a lot 676 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:47,080 Speaker 1: of veterans who seek these similar paths. They do a 677 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:52,920 Speaker 1: lot of deep thinking traveling trying to find this different self. 678 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,719 Speaker 1: I mean, do you find that you're running into a 679 00:43:55,719 --> 00:44:02,400 Speaker 1: lot of veterans as well on these paths. On these paths, 680 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,680 Speaker 1: unless I'm at a retreat, I don't really talk to anyone. 681 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,960 Speaker 1: I'm I'm smiling at the indigenous people and asking them questions. 682 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,680 Speaker 1: I might go to a ceremony or something or meet 683 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,680 Speaker 1: up with a group of people for a while, but 684 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,120 Speaker 1: generally I'm solo and I'm meditating, and I'm writing, and 685 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:25,839 Speaker 1: I'm experiencing things, um all on my own. So I did. 686 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,759 Speaker 1: Actually once, now that I think of it, I ran 687 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,960 Speaker 1: into a guy that was stationed in Fort Bragg like 688 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 1: I was, that was running a mule. He had a 689 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:39,120 Speaker 1: company that did tours tell Miradora in Guatemala, and he 690 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,879 Speaker 1: had a team of mules that he worked with and 691 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,080 Speaker 1: he was out there smoking cigars and you know, he 692 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,319 Speaker 1: was followed, but he wasn't the same. He was just 693 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 1: offering tours, you know, for him. But I yeah, I've 694 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,120 Speaker 1: met some people that were veterans. I run into veterans 695 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,839 Speaker 1: all the time we talked, you know, I'd say more 696 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,640 Speaker 1: so like in California where I live. Yeah, well that's 697 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,719 Speaker 1: it's amazing. Yeah, I just uh, you know, it's like 698 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:11,000 Speaker 1: physically fit, you know, getting back from being enlisted and 699 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:15,000 Speaker 1: just explorers, you know, so able to just like pick 700 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,760 Speaker 1: up and say, hey, I need to try something different. 701 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,640 Speaker 1: That That's what I've I've run into quite a bit, 702 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,840 Speaker 1: and I commend them. I mean, how how neat to 703 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 1: feel free enough to do that, because a lot of people, 704 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,880 Speaker 1: I think they get caught into the humdrum of everyday 705 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,480 Speaker 1: life and they don't explore, you know, they don't look 706 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,720 Speaker 1: into different things, and you know, and it's not always needed, 707 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,760 Speaker 1: of course. Um. You know, I am quite Christian myself, 708 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,800 Speaker 1: and I keep on that path. And but I find, 709 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,000 Speaker 1: you know, learning from other cultures and seeing the patterns. 710 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,240 Speaker 1: I'm all into patterns, uh, you know, how things connect, 711 00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,279 Speaker 1: how we have things in common with certain things, and 712 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:56,640 Speaker 1: that might actually help others, I don't know, find balance, 713 00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:01,200 Speaker 1: you know. So yeah. So, I mean, if there was 714 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,520 Speaker 1: anything that you hope people pull away from your book, 715 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,719 Speaker 1: what would that be? Um? I think it would be 716 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:14,320 Speaker 1: that that there's something greater to the mundane existence of 717 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:22,400 Speaker 1: the nine to five in the sort of commercial idealism. 718 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:26,600 Speaker 1: I think that we've been fed a lot of things 719 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,800 Speaker 1: that were good for money making rather than soul searching 720 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:35,719 Speaker 1: or individual connection to the to the root of uh, 721 00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:40,400 Speaker 1: what's more important for the soul? Yeah, you know, I 722 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:44,240 Speaker 1: think that was done on purpose. I call uh people 723 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,360 Speaker 1: that explain the world to us for our own good 724 00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,560 Speaker 1: so we don't go and experience it for ourselves. I 725 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,440 Speaker 1: call them wizards because they, you know, just look at 726 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,200 Speaker 1: my hands and what I'm doing here. Don't look behind 727 00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,600 Speaker 1: the curtain, look here, you know. So I think it's 728 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,799 Speaker 1: a shame and it's wonderful that somebody like yourself goes 729 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,959 Speaker 1: out and, you know, and find some answers and tries 730 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,160 Speaker 1: to reach back and help others do the same. So 731 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,000 Speaker 1: how people, How can people get a hold of your 732 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,439 Speaker 1: book or you have a website that you could share. Thanks. Yeah, 733 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,200 Speaker 1: it's War on the Hearts of Man. It's on Amazon, 734 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,640 Speaker 1: Barnes and Noble, and I think Cobo or something like that. 735 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,880 Speaker 1: Eli Coberly, And that's my website. And also Instagram. I'm 736 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,600 Speaker 1: preactive on there with I share a lot of photos 737 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,520 Speaker 1: of my travels or what I'm up to. That's Eli 738 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,799 Speaker 1: Coberly on Instagram. Wonderful. Well, I want to thank you 739 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:39,279 Speaker 1: so much. For coming on the show. This was interesting. 740 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,880 Speaker 1: I love this kind of you know, new topics. I 741 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,759 Speaker 1: like to explore and check out what's going on out there, 742 00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:51,759 Speaker 1: and yours is really different. And I really appreciate you. Thanks, Hi, 743 00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:56,319 Speaker 1: I appreciate you well. Fascinating conversation. I learned something new 744 00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,960 Speaker 1: every day. I hope you guys did as well. And 745 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:00,879 Speaker 1: you know, I kind of I gotta tell you, guys, 746 00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,960 Speaker 1: I have been a comic strip artist for a while. 747 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,680 Speaker 1: You all know this, right, and I took a bit 748 00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,680 Speaker 1: of a hiatus from my comic, which is a paranormal 749 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:16,480 Speaker 1: comic strip called The Outlanders. Okay that there's Bigfoot, there's aliens, 750 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:21,280 Speaker 1: there's ghosts, and all the townspeople of Milltown and yeah, 751 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:26,400 Speaker 1: just quite different. And I saw I restarted up again, 752 00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,840 Speaker 1: got more time on the hands, because boy do I 753 00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,840 Speaker 1: keep busy. So I want to invite you to go 754 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,920 Speaker 1: check it out, follow it on Instagram, the Outlanders comic, 755 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:41,040 Speaker 1: and also go to the Outlanders comic dot com and 756 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,560 Speaker 1: tell me what you think. It's a single panel type 757 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,400 Speaker 1: of comic strip and it's all I ever wanted to 758 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,880 Speaker 1: do growing up. That sounds familiar in any plot that 759 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,560 Speaker 1: you've ever seen. Well, now you know the inspiration. I'm 760 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:56,640 Speaker 1: just kidding. You know. I'm a fan of Carol Burnett. 761 00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:03,120 Speaker 1: I his old fashion, just some pure comedy, right, And 762 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,799 Speaker 1: I saw one of her before she would do her 763 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:11,000 Speaker 1: big show. She took a question from the audience and 764 00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,680 Speaker 1: they said, what would you be doing right now if 765 00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,600 Speaker 1: you weren't doing comedy. She's like, I always wanted to 766 00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,400 Speaker 1: be a comic strip artist. And then I'm like, my 767 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,560 Speaker 1: jaw hit the floor and I'm like, I just love 768 00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,560 Speaker 1: her even more now, you know. I was like, just 769 00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,759 Speaker 1: totally after my heart because hot dignity dog that is me. 770 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,359 Speaker 1: So yeah, please go check it out. And also, you guys, 771 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,040 Speaker 1: don't forget to go to Heidi Hollis dot com and 772 00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,720 Speaker 1: shadow Folks dot com, which go to the same website, 773 00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,920 Speaker 1: and tell me your stories. The more detailed, the better. Okay, 774 00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,200 Speaker 1: please do not send me those one liners. I get 775 00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:44,799 Speaker 1: those one liners. You know. If you want to hear more, 776 00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:49,360 Speaker 1: write me. Don't write me. If you have the photos, 777 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,400 Speaker 1: if you have drawings, just email those on over to 778 00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:57,560 Speaker 1: Heidi Hollis at gmail dot com and really appreciate that. 779 00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,640 Speaker 1: I think I need to put a page on my 780 00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,200 Speaker 1: side with some of the drawings and photos and whatnot, 781 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:04,600 Speaker 1: and I think I might have mentioned that here on 782 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,840 Speaker 1: the program, but oh man, a time gets away from me, 783 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:09,919 Speaker 1: and I'm like to think put that I'm in And 784 00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,759 Speaker 1: by the way, you guys, I on my next show, 785 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,839 Speaker 1: I might have a really really big announcement that might 786 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:21,919 Speaker 1: be really up your alley. Uh huh, yes, I think 787 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,839 Speaker 1: you're going to find it interesting. But anyways, you know, 788 00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,640 Speaker 1: I'm teasing me because I two people contact me and 789 00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,880 Speaker 1: say when are you going to do this? In the 790 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,759 Speaker 1: same day guys, So I'm taking the hint and I'm 791 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,680 Speaker 1: going to dedicate my next weekend to getting something done. 792 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,600 Speaker 1: But all right, you guys, you have a listen to 793 00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,480 Speaker 1: Dark Becomes Light with me Tiny Hollis on the iHeartRadio 794 00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:52,520 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast am Ary Normal Podcast Network. Stay safe, everybody, goodbye. Well, 795 00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,520 Speaker 1: if you liked this edition of Dark Becomes Light, wait 796 00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,120 Speaker 1: till you hear the next one. You've been listening to 797 00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:02,400 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast Day m Paranormal Podcast Network.