WEBVTT - 353 | This Week in Baseball, White Sox Dysfunction, Latest Rumblings 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:36.159 Stage crackers, we will sue you. 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:33.760 Then. 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:42.320 Welcome Happy Friday, December second, and welcome to the Just 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:45.040 Baseball Show. I'm Peter, that's Jack In, that's Arm. It's 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:47.800 the three of us, and we're doing this week in baseball. 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:48.599 Spoiler. 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:51.120 Not a lot happened, but some things happen that I 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:52.279 find very interesting. 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:55.160 Gentlemen, how are you It's Friday? Sorta. 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:57.240 We're always recording a day earlier, so we like to 0:00:57.280 --> 0:00:59.520 pretend that it's Friday. It's almost the weekend. Thursday's kind 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:01.240 of like the week and now, especially in the off season, 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:02.200 like this, are you. 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:05.280 Doing doing good? Doing good? 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:09.800 The stove is mid slowly, slowly eating up a lot 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:12.479 of rumor mills stuff that Jack and I talked about, 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:13.080 the buzzwords. 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:15.720 The buzzwords have been flying over the last. 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:18.039 Week or so, but some stigtnings to talk about some 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:20.360 some things going on, and usually when we don't have 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:22.679 as much of a blueprint into the episode, it ends 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:23.560 up being a lot more fun. 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:28.640 Anyways, Jack from Buster Only. There is a sense among 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:32.000 some execs that a wave of second tier free agent 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:35.919 relievers is moving fast and on the cusp of landing deals. 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:41.600 Yes example, Chris Martin, Miguel Castro, et cetera. Let's let's 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:44.400 speculate here. Who do you think he means by et cetera? 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:47.400 Yeah, shit, I mean brad boxburger Man, like he's gotta 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:51.000 be second tier. I think he is his second tier. 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:53.120 Dispectful, got it? Disrespectful. 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:55.360 But now here's the thing, where do you put Adam 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:55.600 out of? 0:01:55.640 --> 0:02:00.000 You know, well, we we just did our general Manager 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:02.880 episodes with the Los Angeles Angels giving them Tommy Kinley. 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:05.840 Do you think Tommy Cainley is a second tier? 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:06.040 Right? 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:08.680 It might be tier three? 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:09.240 We'll see. 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:11.360 Actually today, you know what, we have a structure now 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:14.800 today we're doing reliever tiers. But we're not talking about 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:17.280 tier one. We're talking about two through six. 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:18.120 Cool. 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:22.200 Not very cool. All right, let's dive into some of 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:26.040 these deals. A deal that we haven't talked about yet 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:29.320 that is definitely not second tier. And like I said, 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:32.600 we just did the Angels episode yesterday. We were playing GM, 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:35.720 but we didn't talk about the specifics of the Hunter 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:40.040 Renfro deal. So Hunter Renfro goes from Milwaukee over to 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:43.919 the Los Angeles Angels and in return, the Brewers got 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:46.639 Jansen junk right hand in a pitcher as well as 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:50.160 Elvis Poguero reliever. And they got some dude I've never 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:54.079 heard of Somaris. Yeah, this is usually your cue. Who 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:55.480 is Seminaris? 0:02:56.720 --> 0:03:00.880 It's it's pitching depth. Junk is probably the bad bet 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:05.959 to be something seems like a salary dump, right, I mean, 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:08.320 it's really what the Brewers seem to be doing. Another 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:10.120 clearing the way for the outfield. We talked about this. 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:12.079 We probably talked about it way too much in the group. 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:17.200 Chat, but you know, off the Brewers, we're clearing up money, 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:20.120 and I think it's very clear that the Brewers don't 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:22.000 like to exceed a certain amount of money. 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:24.400 Also, they're tied up with Yelich. 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:27.160 For a long time financially, and I'm very interested to 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:29.839 see what the subsequent moves are. Obviously they have some 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:32.640 really good outfield prospects coming up. But you know, like 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:34.920 I said when we were going back and forth about it, Peters, 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:38.040 if you're really serious about contending, I don't think you 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:39.600 can you can go out there and say, oh, we're 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:43.320 gonna start two rookie outfielders, maybe another rookie somewhere else, 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:45.720 and feel really good about what we're doing, so I'm 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:47.640 very interested to see what else they do because we 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:51.000 also saw Colton Wong floated in trade talks as well. 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:54.160 If they trade Wong too, that just seems another ten 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:56.800 million dollar guy roughly for next year. Seems like they're 0:03:56.840 --> 0:04:00.520 kind of trimming the salary a little bit or some 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:02.760 of their more expensive guys that they can't move, Like. 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:05.640 Yelich Jack, you were I don't know if you were 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:08.240 participating in when Arm and I were just going back 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:09.760 and forth on the steal, because that's what we do 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:12.680 in the offseason. We get really really mad at each 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:15.200 other over we have a lot of deal yeah, whether 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:17.599 it's like a salary dump or whether the Brewers actually 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:20.520 got something. And the reason why I was not because 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:23.320 I agree with Arm it was a salary dump, but 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:26.240 I also didn't want to discount who the Brewers got 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:28.440 in return because I kind of like Jensen Junk a 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:28.840 little bit. 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:30.000 I kind of like him. 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:32.760 He's got to get fastball high spin, he's got to 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:35.640 give fastball high spin. He's got a good slider, and 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:38.720 he had a twenty nine percent krate six four eighty ra, 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:42.200 so there's that. But he's something, and I didn't think 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:44.719 that it was just they got a bag of nothing burgers, 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:47.640 and I just didn't want to disrespect Jensen Chunk because 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:49.880 I do think that he could be something, and I 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:52.280 do think that he's going to contribute, and it wasn't 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:54.800 just a and I also am not the biggest hunter 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:57.159 Renfro guy. I think it is a salary dump, but 0:04:57.480 --> 0:04:59.359 I thought it was kind of smart what the Brewers 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:02.520 did because I I think Renfro coming over from Milwaukee, 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:04.880 where it's really easy to hit, I don't know if 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:07.000 we're going to see that same power as he enters 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:10.480 his thirties, and that's kind of all you get from him. 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:12.800 He's not that great of a defender. He doesn't hit 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.400 for a high average, he doesn't walk that much. He's 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:18.160 just kind of a power or nothing guy, and he 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:22.080 throws the ball really hard from right field. So yes, 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:24.560 arm was right about salary dump, but at the same time, 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:26.640 I wanted to go at him because it's November and 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:27.440 this is all we got. 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:28.480 Right. 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.800 Of course, I do think Junk can be I do 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:33.520 think Junk's gonna contribute in some way. 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:36.360 Mid'dle really spots start somethings. 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:38.800 But it starts nice, like I'm gonna be on him 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:40.520 on a bet and like you're I'm gonna be like, 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:41.200 we won that one. 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:45.160 You're gonna I can't wait. I can't wait. 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:47.720 Seven year old who had like a mid four z 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:49.000 R and salt lake this year. 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:54.799 Listen, Jacobi, Michael Jordan didn't make his varsity team. 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:56.640 Yeah, yeah, you're right, You're right. 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:59.120 But then mj was dropping like fifty points on JV, 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:01.680 Like people for get that part, Like he was the 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:04.479 best JV basketball player of the world has ever seen 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:08.400 at that point. Janson, Junk is gonna be twenty seven 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:10.560 years old. He had a mid four z R and 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:13.480 salt Like, I know why you like him. He had 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:16.680 a sub to era and twelve starts in Somerset last year, 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:19.440 like he was a good double a pitcher in the 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:21.920 New York Yankee system. I think it's funny that Junk 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:25.360 and Elvis Pagero are in tandem each time they move 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:30.640 jump and Pagero went for Heeni and Cash last deadline, 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:35.599 and now it's Junk, Pagero and Seminaris going for Hunter Renfro. 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:39.560 What if they hate each other? This kid getting traded together. 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:41.200 Dude, Like, all I want to do is get away 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:44.120 from Elvis Pagero and here we are. It's like, guess 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:47.320 who's coming with motherfucker? Yeah, I think it could be 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:51.680 really interesting. But like, okay, you say you like Jansen Junk. 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:55.359 My follow up is, do the Brewers have any shot 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:58.000 of winning the NL Central If Jansen Junk is throwing 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:00.920 one hundred innings for the Milwaukee Brewers, I say no. 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:05.520 I say this is a deal where the Angels got better. 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:08.520 The Brewers are working more towards a rebuild that I 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:11.000 think a lot of people were expecting at this point 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:14.800 last year. I didn't see this rebuild coming whatsoever. I 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:18.920 thought the Brewer's window of contention was opening. But then 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:22.239 all of a sudden, they move Hater And I didn't 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:26.000 hate the deal, But if you actually want to win 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:29.040 for a couple of years, and you want your fan 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:30.560 base to think that you want to win for a 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:33.560 couple of years, you probably shouldn't move off Josh Hater. 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:37.160 And now you're floating Colton Wong and now you're moving 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:39.440 Hunter Renfro. So you've got yell Edge and a bunch 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:43.560 of young pieces. My thought is, okay, if they're going 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:47.880 to sell off some of those ARB three guys, Arb 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:50.400 two guys where they're going to make ten million dollars 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:54.800 and they suck this year, and suck as a relative term, 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:56.880 like what if the Cubs are better? What if the 0:07:56.920 --> 0:08:00.880 Brewers finish third in the Anal Central? Do you think 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:04.440 about moving Corbyn Burns? Do you think about moving Freddy Peralta? 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:07.480 I have no idea what direction Milwaukee's going in right 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:08.160 now with this move. 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:10.680 Well, I kind of do, sort of, because they are 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:14.320 taking calls on Corbyn Burns and Brandon Woodruff. I know 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:16.120 the Yankees have checked in on both of them, but 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:20.440 the price being reported is extremely high, and for good reason. 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:22.680 I don't think they're going to move those guys. I 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:25.320 think that's one of those offseason rumors where if you're 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:28.240 a general manager and you need starting pitching, you're like, well, 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:30.240 I just saw the Burush trade Renfro. I saw the 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:32.960 Birds shade Josh Hater. I wonder if they trade Corbyn 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:35.080 Burns and then the Birds say, yeah, we'll take Vulpi, 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.079 will take Aaron Judge, and we'll take your entire team, 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:38.680 and then the Yankees hang up the phone because it 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:39.760 ain't happening. 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:43.200 And it's hard. It's hard to look at David Sterns 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:45.880 stepping down at a vacuum now like it's really hard 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.760 because you see, okay, this stuff is going on with 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:51.880 Stearns made aware that like, okay, time to blow it up, 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:53.439 like time to save a little bit of money and. 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:55.360 Start like are they up? 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:56.400 Are they blowing it up? 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:58.400 I wouldn't saylow it up, but I think maybe even 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:00.840 the running in the wall, like hey, we're not going 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:03.080 any higher, right, we're not spending any more money. We 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:06.319 actually need to get under this number, and you can 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:08.760 try to find a way to win within those parameters, 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:11.280 right And I think Stern said, I don't know if 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:13.120 I want to do that right now, Like I don't 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:15.920 know if I want to grind that hard to build 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:18.240 this back up again in different ways and reshuffle and 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:19.640 try to get it's where you need to be. 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:22.280 And Stern's is at the point in his career where 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:24.240 he doesn't need to say yes to doing that. He 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:25.000 has all a. 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:28.160 Better opportunity elsewhere. When something comes up, he'll advise the 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:31.280 Brewers he doesn't need to wear all of this right now, 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:33.640 because I think there's some other moves potentially coming, and 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:36.120 then he will get a better opportunity somewhere else. But 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:38.480 what's most disappointing to me about it, I think is 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:40.600 and we have to see what the Brewers ultimately do. 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:43.720 But you know what's most disappointing if they don't, you know, 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:46.840 make some additions or or do continue to make subtractions, 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:49.480 is this division. I mean, now is the time, right 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:52.080 I mean, the Cubs are going to get good in 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:53.800 the next couple of years. I think they're gonna better 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:55.439 next year. They're going to be good in two years. 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:57.640 The Cardinals are great. That's the one team. But like 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:01.000 the Reds, they're gonna get good building. They're gonna be 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:03.280 good in a few years. After the Pirates they're gonna 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:05.200 be good in a few years. But right now is 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:07.680 the time. You could very easily be the second best 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:10.240 team in the NL Central and Expanded playoffs if you 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:13.240 put your best foot forward. And I know the Brewers 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:16.000 are building for sustainable success and I get that, but 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:18.440 you can get to the playoffs right now, and I 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:20.320 don't know if they're giving themselves the best shot to 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:20.560 do so. 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:21.520 But we'll see. 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:23.960 When you said the Pirates are gonna get good, I 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:26.560 saw Peter do his little like side nod thing it's like, 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:28.120 I don't know if the Pirates are gonna get good 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:31.079 into that. I say, again, just moved into a one 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:33.840 bedroom in Indy. I can give you the futon. I 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:36.000 need you to see the future of the Pittsburgh Pirates 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:38.240 and you are going to be enthralled. You're gonna realize 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:39.800 that this is the best team in baseball. 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:41.280 In three years, I hope. 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:45.080 For example, like to Arm's point, like I was listening 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:48.200 to your guys's stuff on the Cubs, the top ten prospects, 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:50.120 which you guys should definitely go check out the call 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:53.000 up arm Jack just broke down the top ten prospects. 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:56.160 Arm was interviewing Matt Murvis to a ton of good 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:58.120 stuff on the Cubs, and they also just played GM 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:00.720 Like I'm very excited for the Cubs. That's one where 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:03.120 I kind of want to scoop back on because I 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:04.880 was like, where is this team going? But now listen 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:06.640 to you guys, like I see where this team is going, 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:08.280 and then you check out the Cardinals and it's like 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:11.600 they ain't going nowhere. They're gonna be good for a 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:14.720 very long time. When I look at the Brewers, I 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:16.960 don't think that it's that dumb what they're doing, Like 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:20.439 I understand Brewers fans are probably like they don't understand 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:22.680 in the direction, and I get it, but they are 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:26.160 offloading guys who aren't that good, like they weren't gonna 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:28.480 pay hater anyway, So that's that's not the best. But 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:31.200 they did get a haul and then on Rentfro like 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:33.080 I don't think renfro' is that good and Colton Wong 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:34.679 like where is he at in his career? So it's 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:37.760 like these moves do make sense. That's why I don't 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:39.400 want to call this a rebuild. 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:43.760 So Wong and Renfro tied for second on the team 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:45.959 in f R last year, that might be more of 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:47.040 an indictment on the team. 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:49.040 Yeah, win five each, right. 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:50.400 But do you think they're that good? 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:54.280 So I think two and a half when players are 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:57.040 hard to are not that easy, that's fair, that's yeah. 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.120 So so part of me is saying, like, okay, I 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:00.920 agree with you, Like there are a lot better options 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:03.679 than Hunter Renfro, but that's for sure. I would love 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:07.360 twenty nine bombs and an eight oh seven ops and 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:08.720 a four ninety slug. 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:09.680 But you're not gonna get that. 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:12.240 That's what I'm saying is like, he's gonna go from Milwaukee, 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:14.760 where it's so easy to hit and he gets to 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:17.360 face the reds in the Pirates every day to go 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:19.880 hitting in Anaheim where it's it's a little bit harder 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:21.440 to hit. And I think there's a little bit better 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:24.040 pitching in that division. Like I don't think I know 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:26.240 that with the divisions, it's also going to be scattered. 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:28.480 You're not going to see the same schedule. But I 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:31.679 just don't see Hunter Renfro getting better. I only see 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:32.560 him getting worse. 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:34.080 Okay, so HiT's a junk. 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:36.040 I kind of like, how about a five oho one 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:38.440 slug in an eight sixteen ops as a red sock 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:40.959 in twenty twenty one. How about in twenty eighteen he 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:42.720 had an eight oh five OPS and a five oh 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:46.079 four slug in San Diego. Like he's done it at 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:48.199 multiple spots. I understand hitter. 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:49.679 From Ben Bay is also easy to hit. 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:53.480 I understand hitter friendly ballpark in Boston and Milwaukee. But 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:55.800 if Hunter Renfro is an eight hundred OPS guy, you 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:57.920 got to value him like an eight hundred OPS guy. 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:00.800 And in recent memory he's been an eight hund ops guy. 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:03.360 Here's my thinking, I don't think moving forward, he is 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:06.160 should we talk about someone who actually has an eight 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:09.040 hundred ops who's actually a beast? And then he went 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:11.679 to the Ashros for three years around fifty eight million 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:15.680 dollars in Bray you, I know, dude, like I really 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:18.520 want to unpack your vine about this because like, like, 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:21.240 are you just in shambles? I'm seeing White Sox Twitter 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:25.520 in shambles over this because jose Bray won the MVP 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:30.160 in twenty twenty. He is again like fair, no, not fair, 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:32.480 but you know, well it's about a joke about it. 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:34.280 But jose A. 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:36.200 Bray you has been one of the best first base 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:40.280 in baseisball now for a while, and it's he's almost 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:43.240 a luck to be thirty and one hundred RBIs every 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:46.520 single year he's a run producer, and he goes to 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:51.280 an Ashros team that the really only hole was first base. 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:54.160 I tweeted out. I said, well, the twenty three season 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:57.240 was fun because it appeared that even if the Ashros 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:00.360 lose justin Verlander, they have so many good young pictures, 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:03.200 like I'm excited to see them possibly give Hunter Brown 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:06.800 an opportunity in the rotation. Fully, but they might not 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:08.559 even need Hunter Brown. They might trade Hunter Brown like 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:10.440 as a troll because they don't need them. That's how 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:12.880 good the Ashros are. So the Asho sign Jose Bray 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:14.800 you Jack, I want to go to you. How does 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:15.320 it feel? 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:16.880 Are you okay? Yeah? 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:18.959 I'm okay. Can I pitch it to arm to actually 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:21.160 talk about the baseball and then I'll follow with the narrative. 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:24.160 No, No, I want to hear the narrative first, and 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:26.680 then Arm cuped with the baseball after you, like kind 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:28.600 of make you feel better or shit on you. I'm 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:29.440 excited to find out. 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:34.120 Yeah, go first, please, Yes'm I'm kind of I'm just 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:37.040 kind of salvating right now. I just want to sit 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:39.920 here watching open up. I really like deep down like that. 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:42.520 I want to know how you feel. Picture him in 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:45.680 that Astro's uniform too. Yes, Rake and Crane gives him 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:47.920 a hug as they win their second straight World Series. 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:50.600 White Sox wins seventy nine games next year. Yeah. 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:53.680 So, I haven't felt much emotion in a positive or 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:55.720 negative way in a couple of years. I think since 0:14:55.880 --> 0:15:01.520 Projective Plate launched, I've been I've been pretty just. I've 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:03.920 been kind of a blank slate and I just let 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:07.080 shit hit me, and I don't really react. So I 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:09.000 saw that and I just put my phone away and 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:10.720 I kept on doing whatever I was doing, which is 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:12.480 probably just staring at the brick wall behind me. 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:13.920 No way you did that. 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:16.840 No, I wasn't in front of that brick wall when 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:21.960 it happened, But what I was sad Like Jose bray 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:27.680 You has been the best and the most important figure 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:31.840 in White Sox baseball since Paul Knerko and Paul Canerko 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:35.120 was the guy that I grew up with. There have 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:39.880 been better players. Actually, I'll say, I bra You wont 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:42.160 an MVP, Like I don't think there's been a better player, 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:44.560 but you know, you look at a guy that's a 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:46.840 surefire Hall of Famer, like already in the Hall of Fame, 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:50.520 like Jim Tomay Right, Tomo was here with Kanerko. And 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:53.680 was Tomy a better player than Knerico, Yeah he was, 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:57.080 But Paul Canerko was the captain of the White Sox. 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:01.000 In this post Knerko world, the captain of the White 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:02.000 Sox has been Jose A. 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:02.360 Bray You. 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:05.240 A lot of that is because of how Cuban and 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:08.520 how Latin this team is jose A braw and I'm 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:10.840 gonna caught out are from the same town in Cuba. 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:14.240 Luis Robert is Cuban. Yes, Moni Grandal is Cuban. You 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:17.800 think about the Latin influence on this team, they didn't 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:22.240 have a guy that identifies with them. They had it 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:24.560 with Rick Renteria, but then they fired him after the 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:27.960 twenty twenty season, and they brought in Tony Larusa. Who's 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:33.400 going to help coach this young, fun, talented Latin team 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:36.400 And the answer was kind of jose abray You. So 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:40.080 he was an excellent player. He is an excellent player. 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:42.360 He's thirty and one hundred every year, like you're saying. 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:45.000 But he was so much more to the White Sox 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:47.760 than I think a lot of guys are to their team. 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:50.600 He was actually the captain of the White Sox, and 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:52.760 it's gonna be really weird to see him in a 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:53.760 different uniform. 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:54.320 Now. 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:56.840 Having said that and noting that, I'm going to be 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:59.720 really sad when I see jose A bray You in 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:02.120 that Astro's jersey. And I think the Astros and White 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:04.919 Sox open up against each other in the twenty season 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:09.440 opening day, is gonna be Dylan Ces against Josea Bray 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:11.520 in the first inning or second inning, like that's gonna 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:18.040 be insane club, It will make me sad. It was 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:21.040 time to move off of jose A Bray you because 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:24.879 you were sacrificing so much elsewhere. You had Gavin Sheets 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:28.320 playing the shittiest right field in baseball. You had Andrew 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:31.600 Vaughan playing the shittiest outfield, not just left field, playing 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:36.359 the shittiest outfield and hurting himself and hurting himself several times. 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:39.680 You've got Eloi Jimenez hurting himself while he tries to 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:41.840 rob a home run that's twenty feet over the fence. 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:42.399 He tears it. 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:44.760 Back and then they hang his jersey and he goes 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:47.840 to heaven like that. That's what the White Sox were doing. 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:50.760 They were putting a bunch of non corner outfielders in 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:53.800 corner outfield spots because they had the first basement of 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:57.920 their franchise. Now that guy's gone, So what's gonna happen here? 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:01.520 I think Elloy Jimenez ca in DH now when Andrew 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:04.720 Vaughan's playing first, or maybe Gavin Sheets can can d 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:07.280 H when he's not, you know, throwing up on himself 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:10.320 in right field. I think that some good is going 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:12.000 to come out of this. I think that there was 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:15.320 It was time to move off of that and get 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:18.520 young blood at positions in which they are most comfortable. 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:21.800 But to do that you had to sacrifice your team 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:24.800 captain in the face of the franchise for the last decade. 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:28.040 Arm You know, he's kind of right, like if you 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:33.200 think about it, getting Gavin Sheets some more, AB's moving 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:36.680