WEBVTT - Bubba Wallace 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.400 Hello, Welcome to another addition of Club Shasha. I am 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:05.000 your host, also the proprietor of Club Sha Shay and 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:08.040 the guy that's stopping by for conversation on the drink today. 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:10.559 Is the first African American driver to win Rookie of 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:13.040 the Year in NASCAR. He's the first African American driver 0:00:13.400 --> 0:00:16.200 in fifty years to win a nas NASCAR Truck Series. 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:18.800 He's the highest finishing NASCAR driver in day t on 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:21.720 a five hundred history finish second in twenty eighteen, the 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:26.079 long uh African American full time driver in NASCAR. Bubba 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:30.760 Wabba all my life, the grinding all my life, sacond fice, hustle, 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:35.000 back pricing, one slice got the bone, dice swad all 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:37.599 my life. I've been grinding in all my life, all 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:41.400 my life, then rinning all my life, sacri fice, hustle 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:45.639 back price, one slice got the bone dice swaddy all 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:50.000 my life. I've been grinding in all my life. Bubba, 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:52.720 How you doing, bro? I'm all good, brother. I appreciate 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:55.000 you having me on. Thank you for coming on. I 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:57.560 want to ask good question. When you were growing up 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:01.279 and your friends started calling you Bubba, did you object 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:05.000 to it? At first, or you're like, Okay, I'll be Bubba. 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:09.240 I honestly, I don't. I think it's weird for people 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:12.480 to call me Daryl because I'm so used to Bubba. 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:14.560 Like it started out with my sister the day I 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:19.240 was born, and so all of my family, cousins, uncle's, auntinance, everybody, 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:22.160 just everything was Bubba. And so once you got to 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:24.160 the race track, we were we were using Daryl a 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:27.720 little bit, and so I was so used to Bubba 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:30.840 that it never really felt different to me. So how 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:33.920 was it when you got around people that didn't call 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:37.000 you Bubba and everybody else referred to you with Bubba 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:39.640 and they're looking at you like, that's Darrell. Why they 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:42.240 call it you Bubba? Yeah, So that was funny seeing 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:46.160 playing the name game with a lot of people. You know, now, 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:50.720 I've I've kind of used the Bubba brand in the 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:53.840 racing career, so Bubba's kind of the household name now. 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:56.920 But there's only a few people that I won't allow 0:01:57.080 --> 0:01:59.920 to call me Bubba, which is funny. My girlfriend, when 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:03.160 she says it, it's it's almost like she's making fun 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:06.640 of the name or joking. It's her tone just doesn't 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:09.560 sound right, So I do not allow her to say Bubba. 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:14.400 So so hasn't always been like that? Has all the girlfriends? 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:18.400 If Daryl, everybody else is Bubba. Yeah, that's how it's 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:21.240 always been For some reason, I don't know. I don't know. 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:27.160 I haven't accepted her to be able to say that yet. Bubba. 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:30.919 You're in a sport that's very unique because your super Bowl, 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:34.320 your championship starts first. You look at football, is the 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:37.200 super Bowl end of the season, Baseball World Series at 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:40.720 the end of the season. Most sports, their championship is 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:43.240 at the end of the season. Your sport, what you 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:46.000 gear up for is at the beginning of the season. 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.359 How excited are you in twenty twenty one about the 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:53.799 daytone of five hundred and your chances of winning that race? Yeah, no, 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:58.760 I'm I'm pumped because this is an incredible opportunity for me, 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:02.280 and I think if we look at the statistics they 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:04.960 told it might be my best race track from the 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:08.400 number standpoint, but for me personally it's it's totally different. 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:10.959 But from numbers and just how it comes down to 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:14.359 the data, it is my best track. So we've always 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:16.160 had a really good speedway program, you know, being a 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:18.440 part of the Petty family for the last three years. 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:22.560 Now switching over to to MJ and Company with twenty 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:25.640 three eleven Racing and Toyota, I'm excited about that. So 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:28.920 getting getting there's there's so many emotions going into this race, 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:33.240 just from a new team, new personnel, new opportunities, got 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:36.040 to capitalize on everything. So I'm excited about it. So 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:39.000 ready to get things going for our biggest race of 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:42.080 the year. It's always been like that and so it's traditions, 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:46.360 so we're all used to it. What So the transition 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:50.040 was talking about a Richard Petty going back, but the transition, 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:53.080 as you mentioned, to a new team Jordan Brand Jordan 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:55.320 this is his first time. I think he's team built 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:58.280 with Danny Hamlin and you're driving the twenty three car 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:01.680 to jump Man car. What's it beam awake and what's 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:05.480 your expectation with this new team? Yeah, it's it's actually 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:08.400 been really well, really going. Things are going smoothly, and 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:10.400 that's from my point of view. You talked to crew 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:13.080 chief and competition director, They're like, we need a lot 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:15.640 more time. So for us, I was actually in the 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:19.600 shop today getting seat belts fitted, getting the seat fitted, right, 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:22.760 So it's crazy to think that it's already January fourteenth, 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:25.720 so basically halfway through this month and two weeks, two 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:27.480 and a half weeks, we're heading down to day telling us. 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:30.120 So there's a lot of moving parts that we still 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:34.160 have to get going for us. But I'm I'm excited 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:38.520 and pumped with the direction that we're heading. Having conversations 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:41.880 with people that have been around Jordans that are part 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:45.320 of our team is helping everybody grow together and kind 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:49.000 of understand the expectations. And So I've yet to meet 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:52.200 MJ in person, but we've really shared some some text 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:55.640 messages back and forth. Yeah, I think the weather's too 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:57.600 nice down in Florida for him to come on up here. 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:01.160 I'm not time to speak for him though, but but yeah, 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:03.320 I think it's uh. I think it's gonna strape up 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:04.880 to be a really great year for us. We get 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:06.960 through the first couple of races, it'll be good. Well, 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.000 you do know, I don't know how much you haven't 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:10.640 met him, but I don't know how much you've heard 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:12.839 about him. But he's not a guy that you know 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:15.360 it's gonna take time. He's not a time type of guy. 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:20.479 He's a guy that wants to win now immediately, like yesterday. 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:24.960 So I think I'm safe to My first encounter with 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:27.640 MJ was on the phone. Denny Hamlin had text me, Hey, 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:30.719 are you free around four o'clock today? I'm like, yeah, sure. 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:33.240 So four o'clock rolls around. If you know Denny, he's 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:35.800 he's usually a couple of minutes late. So it's about 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:37.760 four thirty. He calls me. He's like, hey, what are 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:41.039 you doing. I was like just sitting here messing around 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:42.640 on my phone. He was like, here's somebody wants to 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:45.279 talk to you. And I had no idea MJ where 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:48.599 he was with at the time. And you just hear, hey, 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:50.360 if we do this deal, there's no more running in 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:55.000 the back, all right. I'm like and I was like, oh, 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:57.920 that's MJ. So that was that was my first encounter 0:05:58.000 --> 0:05:59.880 with talking to MJ. And so he's I know he's 0:05:59.880 --> 0:06:01.880 a business and so am I. So I'm excited about it. 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:06.720 So expect he said, he meant that. I mean he said, 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:08.920 I'm sure he fitted in a joking manner, but he's 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:12.719 absolutely for So what what what are your expectations? I mean, 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:14.960 you know you got you gonna have the best of 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:18.120 the best. This is no no, you know, shotting. We 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:21.240 might run ten races, we might do five races. This 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:24.680 is full time and you're you've got Danny Hamlin, You've 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:28.680 got MJ back into thing one hundred. Yeah, yeah, for sure. 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:32.680 And my mentality, My mentality has changed. My mentality changed. 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:37.279 When I watched the Last Dance. It's like, Okay, all right, 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:39.320 I see, I see what I need to be like 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:41.159 as an athlete if I want to reach these goals, 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:42.640 and this is what I need to be like. I mean, 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:45.159 he put that no fear and put the fear of 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:48.040 God and everybody else mentality, It's like, okay, you know 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:51.080 that's that's what you gotta have. And hearing stories about 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:54.520 MJ and uh, like I said, he he has people 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:56.680 from his camp being a part of this team. Craig 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:58.799 Robinson got to meet him talk with him. He said 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:01.000 for his motorcycle team, he would sit there on the 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:03.520 grid and watch certain drivers and riders and be like, 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:05.400 look at the way he's walking. He don't want it, 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:08.359 he don't want it, he ain't got it, And it's like, damn, 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:10.160 I better make sure I'll walk and talk the right way. 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:14.080 So there's a lot of pressure, but I keep telling them, 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:16.200 after the year we had of twenty twenty, pressure is 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:20.400 nothing but a thing. Now the Daytona five hundred is 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:22.920 your biggest race event. Obviously there are others. You know, 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:24.960 you got Charlotte, you got the six hundred, and you 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:29.320 got Talladega, but there's nothing like Daytona the pageantry that 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:33.040 goes along with that. What would winning that race mean 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:38.600 to you and what you're trying to accomplish. I think 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:42.280 you know that that race anybody can win. The Speedway races, 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:44.840 four races that everybody in the field has an opportunity 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:47.400 to win. Now you go out and capitalize on It's 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:49.520 very hard to do, you know. It's it's an incredible 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:52.120 feat for Dinny to be, you know, back to back, 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:54.880 uh you know, three times day twenty five winner right 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:57.640 now and and and so being able to do that, 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:01.920 I would love to to start to shut up some 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:04.240 of those haters that are right there. It's like, Okay, 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:07.200 you know, we got it, but knowing hardly knowing that, hey, 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.400 anybody can go win this race if you line your 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:12.200 your if you put all your eggs in that basket, 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:14.239 got your eyes and cross your tees. You know, anybody 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:17.040 can do it. So Daytona would just be the start 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:19.240 of that, and then we build off that and then 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:20.760 we go win us another one and then it's just 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:23.360 like looking the mic and are looking the camera and 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:25.640 drop the mic. So that's that's kind of what we're expecting. 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:30.880 You're on the final lap, you're balls, Denny Hamlin, You're 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:34.040 in Secca, and you might have to bump and run 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:37.400 in or you might have to do something that you 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:39.520 you know, if it's anybody else other than your ball, 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:43.680 you might you no problems. What would you be willing 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:46.719 to do to win that race the final lap? Your 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:50.120 bass is in first, Bubba Wallace is in Secca. What 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:54.640 would you be willing to do to win that race? Well, 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:58.160 let me say Denny's the minority. Let Denny's minority owner 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:04.080 MJ's majority. He so okay, So for me, I've always 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:07.200 and you race how they race you. And if he 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:08.720 didn't wreck me to get by me, that I won't 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:11.280 wreck him. But I'm gonna do everything but that to 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:15.120 win my first race today. Look, I understand you, but 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:18.040 you say you do everything but wreck and if he 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:20.600 didn't wreck you, well, if he if he wrecked you, 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:23.439 you probably wouldn't be in that position, so you wouldn't 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:25.000 have to get you better wreckt me good enough. He 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:26.520 better rereckt me good enough, so I don't get back 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:32.160 to that position you I mentioned earlier. You came from 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:36.920 the Richard Petty, who's the godfather of NASCAR, the King, 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:41.280 he's the king. Yes, And I grew up being from 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:44.000 Rule South, Georgia, and I knew Richard Petty and Cale 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:48.280 Yarboro and the Allison and Sterling, all those guys, Harry Gatton, 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:52.000 h Bill Elliot, Awson Bill from Dawsonville, He's from Georgia. 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:54.920 What was it like to be around him, to pick 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:59.480 his mind and to to hear how he looked at 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:03.400 racing have appolled to how you viewed Raife. Yeah, it 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:06.360 was totally different. So there was obviously a huge error 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:10.040 era gap there from when he climbed out to when 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:13.800 I climbed in and and hearing the stories between, there's 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:17.079 there's no there's not a better duo in the racing 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:19.560 world than Richard Petty and Dale Inman. And you know, 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:22.240 there's a lot of people that I will will miss 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:24.880 from that organization, but those two guys are at the 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:27.360 top of the list for just from hearing those stories. 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:30.439 And so, I mean they were they were racing three 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:33.080 or four times out of the week, driving to California 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:35.920 on Monday, being in New York on Wednesday, and it's 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:39.160 just like, holy cow. So all those stories that you 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:41.240 heard of what they've gone through, what they had to do, 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:43.240 breaking down on the side of the road, driving the 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:45.880 race card to the racetrack, you know, those are those 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:49.400 are the true American badass hero days back then. And 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:52.520 while things have changed and evolved and gotten much bigger 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:55.280 and faster and lighter and whatever you want to call it, 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:59.120 the racing is totally different from back then, and so 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:00.800 you had to learn how to adapt to that. And 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:04.680 both of them get it, you know, Richard, for both 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:08.640 of them being in their eighties, it's incredible how in 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:12.600 tune they were with the race cars, with the format 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:15.000 of the races, whatever the ins and outs of NASCAR. 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:18.079 They were in tune with what's going on. So while 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:20.640 it was a little difficult here in some like, hey, 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:22.439 this is what we tried back here in the seventies 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:24.560 and eighties. Try this, and it's like, well, it's a 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:26.440 little bit different. Now we're a little bit faster, the 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:28.560 cars are built a little bit different. So it was 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:32.120 good to hear and understand the knowledge that they went 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:34.959 through and that they utilized to be the best that 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:38.120 they can be. Please tell me that when you drove 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:42.320 with those three years, if I'm not mistaken, he drove Dodges, 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:45.160 so he had all the himis the big so he 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:47.280 had the Kudas, and he had the challenge of them, 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:50.120 the charge of than the super Bees. Please tell me 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:52.320 at a part of your deal you ended up getting 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:55.520 one of those. I did not, and maybe that's maybe 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:58.640 it's coming down the road. We had a great partnership 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:02.240 with Chevrolet when I jumped on, so uh yeah, and 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:03.960 I didn't. I didn't get that in the deal. The 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:05.760 first thing I got for him, which I thought was 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:08.200 cooler than anything, this is when I filled in those 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:12.199 four races in twenty seventeen before signing on full time. 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:13.679 He called me up. He said, hey, I want you 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:17.120 to come up to the level Cross to Petty's garage 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.760 the museum, and at the end of that tour got 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:23.000 to see all the race cars there, the Dodges and everything, 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:25.960 and he I walked away with one of his cowboy 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:27.920 hats that he signed. And this was before I was 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:30.199 a part of the team or anything cool time, and 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:31.720 I thought that was one of the coolest things. So 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:34.880 it's a centerpiece here downstairs in my living room. That's 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:37.640 a great conversation piece, for sure, but it's it's it's 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:42.600 a centerpiece on my table. I always have that pre COVID. 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:46.600 What is it like at one of those race tracks 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:50.640 to hear one hundred thousand, two hundred thousand fans and 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:53.720 to hear that crop as you go around that track, 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:56.559 because you could hear it, hear it building, and then 0:12:57.400 --> 0:12:59.040 when it's coming down to the end, Okay, you got 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:02.240 the final couple of les and that everybody is all 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:07.720 their feet. It's it's there's nothing like it, you know, 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:11.560 there's I just can't wait until everyone is safe and 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:14.079 healthy from COVID and we get you know, the vaccines 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:16.000 in place, and just get this virus out of here. 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:20.920 I can't wait for fans to come back to full 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:24.120 capacity because everything that went on in twenty twenty has 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:27.160 brought a new demographic, has brought a different face to NASCAR, 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:28.600 and I want to see that in person, and I 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:30.920 want to feel that vibe and that energy, and I 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:34.080 feel like it'll be much greater than anything that we've had, uh, 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:36.760 you know, different from what other people say. I strongly 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:39.800 believe that the vibe that NASCAR is putting out right now, 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:42.040 we have a lot of momentum behind what we're doing, 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:45.839 and so pre COVID it was great, and I can 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:47.600 only imagine it's gonna be ten times better than that 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:50.600 once we can get back to that that that category 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:53.719 of no no fear of of having a virus or 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:57.320 anything like that. You got thirty thirty forty cars on 0:13:57.360 --> 0:14:01.559 the track, eight hundred forty horse power. Can you hear 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:06.199 the crowd over all that engine noise? No? I can't. 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:08.360 You know, when we're in the car, we're you know, 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:11.000 we're locked in. We got spotters and Crucie's talking to us. 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:15.640 But now I cannot hear the crowd. I wish I could, 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:18.120 but we we still put on a show if we 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:21.840 can't hear him or not. You know, I'm interested to 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:25.000 know how much like if I'm playing obviously, if I'm 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:26.960 gonna play a game to super Bowl, I'm gonna go practice. 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.520 You know, change you practice golf? You practice? How do 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:32.520 you practice and ask how much of an actual going 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:35.400 to the course and driving and how much is the simulation? 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:42.520 Was simulation we don't practice anymore, you know, there's no 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:46.920 too risky, A lot of a lot of it has 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:48.880 the fun thing to do with it. They're trying to 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:51.760 bridge the gap from the big teams and the small teams. 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:55.040 You know, back in say ten years ago, you could 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:58.600 go test Monday through through Friday, and you know, you 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:01.600 could test Monday through Sunday if you had a soul 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:03.640 test team to go out and do that while while 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:07.160 we're racing on Sundays. So but then you started seeing 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:09.440 some of the disadvantages for the smaller teams. They couldn't 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:12.920 afford that, And so now it's about ten to fifteen 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:16.400 tests that NASCAR puts on. They send one car from 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:19.000 every organization to come out and test and be a 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:20.920 part of it if they if the teams allow that, 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:23.680 or if they if they choose to do that. But 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:26.760 now with COVID testing is out, and then now with 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:29.760 the schedules, we're showing up and just racing, and so 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:32.440 now it's gone all to simulations. So I'm on a 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:35.640 new schedule with the Toyota being a part of the 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:38.200 TRD family, you know, being up at the simulator every 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:40.640 Wednesday now for a couple hours or a few hours 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:44.480 a week doing that stuff, figuring out what we need, 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:48.040 figuring out you know what helped us this weekend, implement 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:50.120 that in the next weekend and get a feel for 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:52.240 you know, it's not one hundred percent true to feel, 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:54.520 but it still gives you a general idea of what 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:58.040 to expect when you unload, and it gives the engineers 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:00.360 some data to look at to get that much closer. 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:02.520 You just it's we're fighting for thousands of an m 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:05.400 three thousands of an inch, you know, that's you can't 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:07.160 even I can't even even show you that on my 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:09.600 hands on my finger serial, but that's what we're fighting for. 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:11.200 That's how you get that edge in front of people, 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:15.760 how you know. And I'm trying to equate what you 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:19.120 do to what we do. Like if I play one opponent, 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:21.360 I might have a certain group of plays, and then 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:23.440 I played the next opponent, I have maybe some of 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:26.600 those same plays, but add some different plays. On how 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:29.200 much is right? How much different is it from track 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:32.120 to track? It's it's very different. As much as you know, 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:34.880 there's we call on the cookie cutter tracks the mile 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:36.680 and a halfs that all kind of looked the same 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:39.480 to Charlotte. It's the Texas the Kansas. They might look 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:44.360 the same, but they totally race different. Like it's it's uh, 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:46.160 you know, some places have a lot of character, a 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:49.480 lot of bumps, nooks and crannies that you gotta muscle around. Uh. 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:53.000 Texas is mainly one groove right around the bottom. Charlotte 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:55.680 is from the bottom lane to the top and bumpy, 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:57.920 and so you just gotta figure things out. And so 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:00.920 you have a notebook, you have you know, the debrief 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:05.080 notes from years prior, racist prior where you are, Oh, 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:06.840 this is what we did here. You're rolling out of 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:08.600 the break. Here, you're picking up the break here, you're 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:11.399 picking up the gas here, certain things like that. So 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:14.600 it's it's pretty similar to for you to plan different opponents. 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:16.159 It's like, okay, we got to bring this set of 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:18.399 rules out. We put this one back, we put this 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:20.200 back on the shelf, bring this one out. So yeah, 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:24.600 you definitely go through a lot of different mind changes, 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:29.360 mindsets for different racetraints. I'm curious because okay, they say 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:31.440 a car just just say for the take of arguments 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:35.720 a particular car gets. My car gets thirty five miles 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:37.960 to the gallon, but I need to do X, Y 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:40.000 and Z in order for it to get thirty five 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:42.480 miles to the gallon. You might say, well, I can 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:45.680 go twenty laps on the on the tank of gas 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.840 high with middle left you go. How much variance is 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:51.320 that for speed? If you say I'm going to go 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:54.560 somewhere between one fifty five eighty and if I go 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:56.960 three or four laft, I'm going one seventy five to 0:17:56.960 --> 0:18:00.199 one ninety. So how much variance is that if far 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:03.840 with gas mother than what you're doing actually in the car. Yeah, well, 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:06.320 there's there's a lot of variants, especially at the speedway stuff, 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:11.119 because you think everybody's just wide open, turn and left 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:14.439 and whatnot. But it's funny the leader is mainly the 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:17.560 only one that's wide open. Everybody else is saving fuel. 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:21.520 We're riding around, riding around half throttle, quarter throttle, like, 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:24.000 trying not to use as much fuel, and that that 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:26.719 number starts to rise, that all of a sudden, your 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:29.080 strategy starts coming to play. Oh we can pin on 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:31.280 that nineteen. Nah, he just got another lap force. Now 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:33.760 we can put on lap twenty, then you start, you know, 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:36.280 plugging in those numbers. This is why I just drive. 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:39.200 So I'm taking my best edge of macated guests because 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:42.200 I'm not trying to go against my engineers here. But 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:44.760 there's a lot of variants at the speedways and then 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:47.199 even at even at other trace tracks, it's like, hey, 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:48.720 we need you to save like a lap and a 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:51.080 half a fuel year. You start to do different things, 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:53.560 shut the car off while you're racing, in and in 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:56.520 the corners, using the clutch to refire and get back going. 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:58.560 There's a lot of things we can do inside of 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:04.719 the race car to to advance our prolong our fuel mileage. 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:08.560 Does anyone outside of you and your team know you're 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:11.040 actually doing that? Can the fans in the stands tell that? 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:13.200 Because I know we can't tell that at home. I've 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:15.000 only been to a handful of race tracks. I went 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:17.800 to Sonoma, which are the road course, which is totally 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:20.960 different than anything the big speedways because it's a lot 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:23.280 of you know, you get up like a quarter of 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:24.760 a mile and you go foot and then you back 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:27.800 into a corner or curve. So that's very But does 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:31.840 anybody else know besides you and your team that you're 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:34.320 actually doing that in the car. Well, it depends on 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:38.000 who's listening, you know. Now the access to that that 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:40.879 fans have, that the media has, everybody can listen to 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:43.119 what we're saying. And so when the spot or the 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:44.560 crew chiefs comes over and it's like, all right, we 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:47.080 need to go in fuel saving mode, then TV picks 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:49.399 up on that and it's like, oh, twenty three cars 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:51.840 out saving fuel. We might have an end car camera 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:54.160 that weekend. Then they can come in and hear it all. 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:56.760 So yes, and anybody, if they're listening at the right time, 0:19:56.760 --> 0:20:00.760 at the right moment, they can understand it. Here you're 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:04.640 driving for Jordan now and to have that twenty three 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:07.760