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Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to another addition of Club Shasha. I am

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Speaker 1: your host, also the proprietor of Club Sha Shay and

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Speaker 1: the guy that's stopping by for conversation on the drink today.

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Speaker 1: Is the first African American driver to win Rookie of

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Speaker 1: the Year in NASCAR. He's the first African American driver

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Speaker 1: in fifty years to win a nas NASCAR Truck Series.

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Speaker 1: He's the highest finishing NASCAR driver in day t on

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Speaker 1: a five hundred history finish second in twenty eighteen, the

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Speaker 1: long uh African American full time driver in NASCAR. Bubba

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Speaker 1: Wabba all my life, the grinding all my life, sacond fice, hustle,

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Speaker 1: back pricing, one slice got the bone, dice swad all

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Speaker 1: my life. I've been grinding in all my life, all

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Speaker 1: my life, then rinning all my life, sacri fice, hustle

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Speaker 1: back price, one slice got the bone dice swaddy all

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Speaker 1: my life. I've been grinding in all my life. Bubba,

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Speaker 1: How you doing, bro? I'm all good, brother. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: you having me on. Thank you for coming on. I

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Speaker 1: want to ask good question. When you were growing up

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Speaker 1: and your friends started calling you Bubba, did you object

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Speaker 1: to it? At first, or you're like, Okay, I'll be Bubba.

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Speaker 1: I honestly, I don't. I think it's weird for people

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Speaker 1: to call me Daryl because I'm so used to Bubba.

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Speaker 1: Like it started out with my sister the day I

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Speaker 1: was born, and so all of my family, cousins, uncle's, auntinance, everybody,

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Speaker 1: just everything was Bubba. And so once you got to

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Speaker 1: the race track, we were we were using Daryl a

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Speaker 1: little bit, and so I was so used to Bubba

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Speaker 1: that it never really felt different to me. So how

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Speaker 1: was it when you got around people that didn't call

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Speaker 1: you Bubba and everybody else referred to you with Bubba

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Speaker 1: and they're looking at you like, that's Darrell. Why they

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Speaker 1: call it you Bubba? Yeah, So that was funny seeing

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Speaker 1: playing the name game with a lot of people. You know, now,

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Speaker 1: I've I've kind of used the Bubba brand in the

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Speaker 1: racing career, so Bubba's kind of the household name now.

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Speaker 1: But there's only a few people that I won't allow

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Speaker 1: to call me Bubba, which is funny. My girlfriend, when

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Speaker 1: she says it, it's it's almost like she's making fun

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Speaker 1: of the name or joking. It's her tone just doesn't

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Speaker 1: sound right, So I do not allow her to say Bubba.

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Speaker 1: So so hasn't always been like that? Has all the girlfriends?

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Speaker 1: If Daryl, everybody else is Bubba. Yeah, that's how it's

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Speaker 1: always been For some reason, I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I haven't accepted her to be able to say that yet. Bubba.

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Speaker 1: You're in a sport that's very unique because your super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: your championship starts first. You look at football, is the

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Speaker 1: super Bowl end of the season, Baseball World Series at

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Speaker 1: the end of the season. Most sports, their championship is

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Speaker 1: at the end of the season. Your sport, what you

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Speaker 1: gear up for is at the beginning of the season.

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Speaker 1: How excited are you in twenty twenty one about the

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Speaker 1: daytone of five hundred and your chances of winning that race? Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm pumped because this is an incredible opportunity for me,

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Speaker 1: and I think if we look at the statistics they

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Speaker 1: told it might be my best race track from the

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Speaker 1: number standpoint, but for me personally it's it's totally different.

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Speaker 1: But from numbers and just how it comes down to

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Speaker 1: the data, it is my best track. So we've always

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Speaker 1: had a really good speedway program, you know, being a

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Speaker 1: part of the Petty family for the last three years.

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Speaker 1: Now switching over to to MJ and Company with twenty

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Speaker 1: three eleven Racing and Toyota, I'm excited about that. So

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Speaker 1: getting getting there's there's so many emotions going into this race,

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Speaker 1: just from a new team, new personnel, new opportunities, got

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Speaker 1: to capitalize on everything. So I'm excited about it. So

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Speaker 1: ready to get things going for our biggest race of

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Speaker 1: the year. It's always been like that and so it's traditions,

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Speaker 1: so we're all used to it. What So the transition

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Speaker 1: was talking about a Richard Petty going back, but the transition,

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Speaker 1: as you mentioned, to a new team Jordan Brand Jordan

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Speaker 1: this is his first time. I think he's team built

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Speaker 1: with Danny Hamlin and you're driving the twenty three car

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Speaker 1: to jump Man car. What's it beam awake and what's

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Speaker 1: your expectation with this new team? Yeah, it's it's actually

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Speaker 1: been really well, really going. Things are going smoothly, and

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Speaker 1: that's from my point of view. You talked to crew

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Speaker 1: chief and competition director, They're like, we need a lot

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Speaker 1: shop today getting seat belts fitted, getting the seat fitted, right,

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Speaker 1: So it's crazy to think that it's already January fourteenth,

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Speaker 1: so basically halfway through this month and two weeks, two

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of moving parts that we still

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Speaker 1: and pumped with the direction that we're heading. Having conversations

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Speaker 1: of understand the expectations. And So I've yet to meet

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Speaker 1: MJ in person, but we've really shared some some text

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Speaker 1: messages back and forth. Yeah, I think the weather's too

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Speaker 1: nice down in Florida for him to come on up here.

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Speaker 1: I'm not time to speak for him though, but but yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's uh. I think it's gonna strape up

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Speaker 1: to be a really great year for us. We get

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Speaker 1: through the first couple of races, it'll be good. Well,

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Speaker 1: you do know, I don't know how much you haven't

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Speaker 1: met him, but I don't know how much you've heard

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Speaker 1: about him. But he's not a guy that you know

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Speaker 1: it's gonna take time. He's not a time type of guy.

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Speaker 1: He's a guy that wants to win now immediately, like yesterday.

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Speaker 1: So I think I'm safe to My first encounter with

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Speaker 1: MJ was on the phone. Denny Hamlin had text me, Hey,

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Speaker 1: are you free around four o'clock today? I'm like, yeah, sure.

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Speaker 1: So four o'clock rolls around. If you know Denny, he's

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Speaker 1: he's usually a couple of minutes late. So it's about

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Speaker 1: four thirty. He calls me. He's like, hey, what are

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Speaker 1: you doing. I was like just sitting here messing around

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Speaker 1: on my phone. He was like, here's somebody wants to

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Speaker 1: he was with at the time. And you just hear, hey,

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Speaker 1: if we do this deal, there's no more running in

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Speaker 1: the back, all right. I'm like and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: with talking to MJ. And so he's I know he's

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Speaker 1: a business and so am I. So I'm excited about it.

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Speaker 1: So expect he said, he meant that. I mean he said,

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Speaker 1: absolutely for So what what what are your expectations? I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know you got you gonna have the best of

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Speaker 1: the best. This is no no, you know, shotting. We

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Speaker 1: might run ten races, we might do five races. This

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Speaker 1: is full time and you're you've got Danny Hamlin, You've

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Speaker 1: got MJ back into thing one hundred. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 1: And my mentality, My mentality has changed. My mentality changed.

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Speaker 1: When I watched the Last Dance. It's like, Okay, all right,

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Speaker 1: I see, I see what I need to be like

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Speaker 1: and this is what I need to be like. I mean,

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Speaker 1: God and everybody else mentality, It's like, okay, you know

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Speaker 1: that's that's what you gotta have. And hearing stories about

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Speaker 1: MJ and uh, like I said, he he has people

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Speaker 1: from his camp being a part of this team. Craig

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Speaker 1: Robinson got to meet him talk with him. He said

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Speaker 1: for his motorcycle team, he would sit there on the

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Speaker 1: grid and watch certain drivers and riders and be like,

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Speaker 1: look at the way he's walking. He don't want it,

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Speaker 1: he don't want it, he ain't got it, And it's like, damn,

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of pressure, but I keep telling them,

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Speaker 1: after the year we had of twenty twenty, pressure is

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Speaker 1: nothing but a thing. Now the Daytona five hundred is

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Speaker 1: your biggest race event. Obviously there are others. You know,

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Speaker 1: you got Charlotte, you got the six hundred, and you

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Speaker 1: got Talladega, but there's nothing like Daytona the pageantry that

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Speaker 1: goes along with that. What would winning that race mean

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Speaker 1: to you and what you're trying to accomplish. I think

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Speaker 1: you know that that race anybody can win. The Speedway races,

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Speaker 1: four races that everybody in the field has an opportunity

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Speaker 1: very hard to do, you know. It's it's an incredible

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Speaker 1: feat for Dinny to be, you know, back to back,

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Speaker 1: uh you know, three times day twenty five winner right

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Speaker 1: I would love to to start to shut up some

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Speaker 1: of those haters that are right there. It's like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: anybody can go win this race if you line your

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Speaker 1: your if you put all your eggs in that basket,

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Speaker 1: got your eyes and cross your tees. You know, anybody

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Speaker 1: drop the mic. So that's that's kind of what we're expecting.

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Speaker 1: You're on the final lap, you're balls, Denny Hamlin, You're

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Speaker 1: bass is in first, Bubba Wallace is in Secca. What

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Speaker 1: would you be willing to do to win that race? Well,

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Speaker 1: let me say Denny's the minority. Let Denny's minority owner

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Speaker 1: MJ's majority. He so okay, So for me, I've always

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Speaker 1: and you race how they race you. And if he

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Speaker 1: wreck him. But I'm gonna do everything but that to

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Speaker 1: you probably wouldn't be in that position, so you wouldn't

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Speaker 1: to that position you I mentioned earlier. You came from

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Speaker 1: the Richard Petty, who's the godfather of NASCAR, the King,

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Speaker 1: he's the king. Yes, And I grew up being from

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Speaker 1: Rule South, Georgia, and I knew Richard Petty and Cale

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Speaker 1: What was it like to be around him, to pick

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Speaker 1: his mind and to to hear how he looked at

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Speaker 1: racing have appolled to how you viewed Raife. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: era gap there from when he climbed out to when

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Speaker 1: there's no there's not a better duo in the racing

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Speaker 1: from that organization, but those two guys are at the

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Speaker 1: top of the list for just from hearing those stories.

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Speaker 1: And so, I mean they were they were racing three

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Speaker 1: just like, holy cow. So all those stories that you

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Speaker 1: heard of what they've gone through, what they had to do,

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Speaker 1: race card to the racetrack, you know, those are those

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Speaker 1: And so there's gonna be some bumps and mistakes along

425
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Speaker 1: the way, from myself, from our crew, but we're in

426
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Speaker 1: it together as a team, and as long as we

427
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Speaker 1: minimize those mistakes and put our best foot forward each

428
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Speaker 1: and every each and every weekend and give it our all.

429
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Speaker 1: Then Hey, that's what we got. This sport, more than

430
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 1: any is, is about sponsorship. It's not like the NFL,

431
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,359
Speaker 1: where everybody you have a salary cap. Everybody gets to

432
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,679
Speaker 1: spend up to here and nobody can spend below that.

433
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 1: It's like that in a lot of sports. Baseball is

434
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 1: a free ball. You spend as much as you want.

435
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Speaker 1: And I know it's been somewhat challenging for you, an

436
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Speaker 1: African American and a sport of nascard that's been predominantly

437
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Speaker 1: white since this inception. Talk to me about how much

438
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Speaker 1: of a disadvantage that's been in Europe racing NASCAR. And

439
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 1: now you have someone that Michael Jordan can go out

440
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 1: and get those corporate dollars to help you become a

441
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Speaker 1: more can put you in with the all those because Lowski,

442
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Speaker 1: the Danny Hamley, even though he's a minority, owned those

443
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Speaker 1: guys to put you right there on the level playing

444
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Speaker 1: for you. Yeah. Well, and years prior we were always

445
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,639
Speaker 1: fighting for that and I was trying to do everything

446
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 1: I could off the race track on the race track

447
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 1: to attract those sponsors. And you never know how they're

448
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Speaker 1: gonna come about. And we look at twenty twenty and

449
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 1: everything that went on there, bringing in brand new partners

450
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Speaker 1: into the sport with Door Dash, Columbia Root Insurance, you know,

451
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 1: having McDonald's come on board, if for sure, they've been

452
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Speaker 1: a part of my program for a couple of years now,

453
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 1: and and Dr Pepper, those five partners. I got to

454
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 1: see our schedule for this scump coming year, and there's

455
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Speaker 1: not one empty slot, not one empty slot. And years

456
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 1: years prior it's been eight fifteen slots that are open,

457
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Speaker 1: and we were a question. We were looking at each other, like,

458
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Speaker 1: how are we going to make this work? We always did,

459
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 1: we always did, but hey, knowing that we are fully

460
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Speaker 1: funded throughout the year, it's a pat on my pat

461
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Speaker 1: on the back to my camp. I'll give a pat

462
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Speaker 1: on my back to myself, but just everything, everybody in

463
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Speaker 1: my corner that's helped me get to this position. It's

464
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 1: gonna be a heck of a year. We got no excuses.

465
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: That was my motto coming into this year, no excuses.

466
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Speaker 1: I got the funding, I got the car, I got

467
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: the people. Just gotta have the driver, so we're good.

468
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 1: You also drove for Joe Gibbs. I played in the league.

469
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Speaker 1: I'm old enough to remember I played against some of

470
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Speaker 1: his team, Coach Gibbs team. What was it like? What

471
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Speaker 1: type of man? I know, he's a man of faith,

472
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Speaker 1: But what would be like around the track? The same

473
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Speaker 1: as what you know? That's that's you know, that's very

474
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Speaker 1: powerful because that's how I like to align myself. Is

475
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Speaker 1: what you see me talking to you today, is how

476
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Speaker 1: we would be sharing a drink here on the couch

477
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Speaker 1: here or wherever you're at, you know, hanging out. I

478
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,959
Speaker 1: don't change for anybody anything, and and that's how coaches.

479
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: Coach wants to win. He has that winning mentality, but

480
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Speaker 1: he doesn't change who he is, you know, depending on

481
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: where he's at, He's that same man, the same man

482
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Speaker 1: of facts. Great great got to be a part of

483
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Speaker 1: aligned with and honored to say I've race for him

484
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: and kind of racing for or with him this year

485
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: with the partnership with Toyota and JJ are there. Let's

486
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: get to NASCAR. We know what NASCAR has been a

487
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: predominantly white sport since his inception product A lot of

488
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Speaker 1: the majority of their fans I've say ninety five the

489
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Speaker 1: ninety eight percent of their fans have been white. You're

490
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Speaker 1: the lone full time black driver. Normally, when people are

491
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Speaker 1: the only they tend to sit back. I don't want

492
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Speaker 1: to ruffle any fathers. I'm happy to be here. I

493
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Speaker 1: don't want to cause a rut us. I don't want

494
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Speaker 1: anybody to look at me. Why was it so important

495
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Speaker 1: for you to say, NASCAR, there's something things that's going

496
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: on here that's not right. And if we tried to build,

497
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Speaker 1: get you know, build and bring more people, we're gonna

498
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,479
Speaker 1: need to change some things. Why was it so important

499
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Speaker 1: for you to take that stance? You know, I don't

500
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Speaker 1: know if it's necessarily important or it is. Don't get

501
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 1: me wrong, it is important. But I think that's part

502
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Speaker 1: of my personality. I'm not a person to sit back

503
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Speaker 1: and not want to ruffle any feathers. I am the

504
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: if you've seen in years past, my mouth's got me

505
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: in trouble a lot. It's got me some good deals,

506
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: it's got me some bad deals, and I'm the one

507
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Speaker 1: to cross the boundary and apologize later, asked for forgetting

508
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 1: this later, you know, And this was something that you know,

509
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: a lot of it came from talking to or seeing

510
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,400
Speaker 1: what others had to say, and so you were kind

511
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 1: of peer pressured into it a little bit, not saying

512
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: that I was pushed to say what I wanted to.

513
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 1: I was just like, you know what, there's a point here.

514
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 1: Let me do some more research and understanding of what's

515
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 1: going on and figure out how we can make this

516
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Speaker 1: a better place for everybody. And I was just like,

517
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Speaker 1: you know what, social media so powerful. It's the quickest

518
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: way to help you and its quickest way to hurt.

519
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: You pick your poison, which way you want to go right,

520
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 1: and sometimes you're trying to go one way and it

521
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 1: ends up another. And so you just have to be

522
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: comfortable with what you're saying, comfortable in your own skin

523
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 1: what you're doing. And for me, I just just like, hey,

524
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 1: this needs to change, This needs to stop. We got

525
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 1: to do better, and let's make this a more inclusive place.

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Speaker 1: And while there was everything's fifty fifty last half full

527
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 1: last halff, there's a lot of good that come out

528
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Speaker 1: of and there was a lot of bad that come

529
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Speaker 1: out of it, but so be it. I think I

530
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,719
Speaker 1: think actually there was more good to come out of

531
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Speaker 1: what the changes have made for NASCAR. The biggest thing

532
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: for us is okay, we can't get staggning we have

533
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: to keep going, we have to keep pushing for more.

534
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 1: There's a never ending process in the direction that we're heading.

535
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: So what are we doing. What are we gonna do

536
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 1: to keep making this more inclusive for everybody to be

537
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 1: a part of it. The Confederate flag with prominent it

538
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:04,479
Speaker 1: way proudly behind those campros, those Winnebagos, those trucks. You

539
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: as an African American understanding what that flag actually meant

540
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: and how many people died behind that flag. What was

541
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: your feelings like seeing that flag, knowing that you had

542
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: to go race those tracks? And then what was the

543
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:26,719
Speaker 1: conversation like when you had you had with NASCAR saying, guys,

544
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: it's got a change. So honestly, Shannon, I didn't understand

545
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: the full effect of that flag until this past year. Okay,

546
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: this was this was another flag to me, like I

547
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: kind of knew like the rebel flag, and you know,

548
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: never really I kind of just kept it at that

549
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: and then didn't really say Confederate flag. And then starting

550
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: to see more conversations and I remember certain tweets I'll

551
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: never go to a NASCAR race because of the Confederate flag,

552
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: or I'll never go back to a NASCAR race. Because

553
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: of that, I'm like and I'm like, hold up, come out,

554
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 1: let me confederate flag type it in. Do my research,

555
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 1: which a lot of people don't want to do nowadays.

556
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 1: They're just so quick to jump to conclusion. It's like,

557
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: do your research, get an understanding for yourself, do your

558
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: due diligence. So I did that, and I'm like, Okay,

559
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: this is causing a lot of hurt and pain, and

560
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 1: it's isolating, you know, our demographic to where we're at.

561
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: And it's like we I know for a fact that

562
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,719
Speaker 1: NASCAR provides so much more opportunity than what it's given

563
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: and what the it's labeled as. And so how do

564
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: we get past that barrier? Let's start with Confederate flag. Okay,

565
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a bold move, risky move for

566
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: a lot of people. Are gonna lose some fans. Now,

567
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: you know you're going Bubba. You know you knew as

568
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: an African America because they say, okay, you come in here,

569
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: you upset an Apple car. You knew you were going

570
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: to take some criticism for this, right Oh every just

571
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: by me waking up saying good morning, I start criticism.

572
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: I learned that Okay, Okay, there's people that don't like

573
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: that you woke up breathing. I have accepted that a

574
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: long time ago. Okay, so it doesn't matter if I'm

575
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: handing out on a hundred dollar bills to people they're

576
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: just mad at that. So I have stopped caring about

577
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: what other people think. And and so I knew going

578
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: into it. It's like, Okay, get ready to roll your

579
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: sleeves up because it's about to get feisty. And you've

580
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: seen a lot of people leave the sport and never

581
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: gonna pay attention to the sport again. But those are

582
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: the same people that are still tweeting at you bad things.

583
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: And it's like, I thought you were gone. Are you

584
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: still here? You move on or not? Where are you

585
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: gonna Where are you gonna win a race? Bubba? Exactly?

586
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: It's like, bro, you're you're you're barking up the same

587
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: old tree, Like, okay, give me a chance. Here, we

588
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: got it. So okay, Yes, I knew going into that

589
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: it was going to be a lot, but hey, NASCAR

590
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: was on board. Everybody in my camp was on board,

591
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: the drivers, of team's crew members, everybody a part of

592
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: the whole sport was on board with the direction. If

593
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: they weren't, then they were gladly shown the door and

594
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: that was it. How do you, yeah, sure, the drivers,

595
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: the crew chiefs, I mean, I'm sure maybe something like

596
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: that's nothing wrong the flag, But how do you convince

597
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: the hundred thousand that's been doing it this way for

598
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,479
Speaker 1: seventy plus years? Because you mentioned you want to make

599
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: it more inclusive, which means you want others, others that

600
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily look like them, to come and have an

601
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: enjoyable experience at the track like they're having, how how

602
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: do you convince the fans that they can still enjoy

603
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: the track without that flag flying. So I have seen

604
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: there's there's three people, three types of people. The ones

605
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: that will never accept change, the ones that will consider change,

606
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: and the ones that are like, Okay, yeah this is

607
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: changing and I'm off for it. Those are the people

608
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: that are doing the homework and seeing that life is

609
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: much bigger than themselves. It's about our brothers and sisters

610
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: and our neighbors and making this a better place. And

611
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: so while it's like, okay, the ones that aren't gonna change,

612
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: we don't want you, the ones that are considering it,

613
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: let's let's have a drink, let's have a beverage, let's

614
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: talk about it. Let's let's get you on the other

615
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: side of the fence. Then you decide if you want

616
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: to go that router. If you don't, we ain't pushing you.

617
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: We're just trying to help educate. And then the ones

618
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: that are are for the change, it's like, okay, give

619
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: us some time. We're coming up with the game plan.

620
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: We're gonna keep this going. And so that's that's what

621
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: we've kind of looked at as a whole of like, Okay,

622
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: here's the three sections that we got. We got seventy

623
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: five thousand people over here and that won't change. We

624
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: got one hundred and fifty here and the maybe considering it.

625
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: And then we have three hundred thousand. Okay, we're gonna

626
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: target this area. We're not you know, those people appreciate

627
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: your time, but we are. We are moving on with

628
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: or without you. Memorial Day weekend, George Floyd. And then

629
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: we saw the uprising and people like watching a man

630
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: die on wide television and then you see the atholete

631
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: from Lebron James into Serena Williams and all the pro

632
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: football players. What did Blah Blah Wallace feel and what

633
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: did you feel your responsibility and what did you want

634
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: to do to get your message out and to say America,

635
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: enough is enough? We got to be better. Yeah, it's

636
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: just so tough because people people see it as and

637
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: people of color understand it totally. And it's hard for

638
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,239
Speaker 1: people that are not of color because it's like, well,

639
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: this doesn't affect me, right, well, yes, but now that's

640
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: that can't be thinking exactly, and it's like this should

641
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: affect you because at the end of the day, take

642
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: skin color out of it. This is human beings, is people? Right?

643
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: You wouldn't want your family treated like this, So why

644
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: are you letting some person that you don't know being

645
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: treated like this? And so trying to convey and orchestrate

646
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: that message and get that out to your peers and

647
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: your colleagues has been another challenge, uh, and getting them

648
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: to understand because you know, inside our walls, inside our

649
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: four walls and NASCAR, there was five or six of

650
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: us that that would say something, and that leaves thirty five,

651
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: thirty four of the people out there that are silent.

652
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: And it's just like saying the right look, you know,

653
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: you guys got to step up in a powerful way,

654
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: in a positive way. And so while we're still working

655
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: on that, you know, for me, it was this was

656
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: you know, I've gone through racial discrimination from law enforcement.

657
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: I've just to an extent obviously, I'm here to tell

658
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: my story. And we've lost a lot of of people,

659
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: a lot of wonderful people to you know, law enforcement

660
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: just abusing their authority. And it's just like, man, this

661
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: is when is this going to change? And how how

662
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: do we get a chat? How do we make it

663
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: to where you know, this is the most important thing

664
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: talked about. And a lot of people they'll say, shut

665
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: up and dribble, shut up and play football, keep politics

666
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: out of the sports. So, you know, because they look

667
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: at us as the entertainment and they don't want to

668
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: see us as anything else. You're an entertainer, that's it, Nah, brother,

669
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: we are people. And then when this starts affecting us,

670
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: that's when it rises us up to say something. Now,

671
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, that whole entertainment role is out

672
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: the window. Yeah, We're still gonna entertain because that's what

673
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: we do, that's what we know. But at the same time,

674
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: we are going to try to make this world a

675
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 1: better place for our kids coming up through, for our

676
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: next generation coming up through. So get with that or

677
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,919
Speaker 1: move on, because this is what's happening. And so while

678
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: sports have been in a position to talk and use

679
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 1: their platforms, which is so powerful, and I encourage all

680
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: athletes from all backgrounds to do, there's still a lot

681
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: of work to be done. You look at what happened

682
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago where people were upset at

683
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: the election they lost. It was a fair election, it

684
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: was free election. It was the most secure election in

685
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 1: the history of our country. But the person that they

686
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: wanted to win did not win, and they felt the

687
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: recourse that they needed to take was to overthrow, basically

688
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: a coup, overthrow the government and put our guy in

689
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: place again. If the very thing that you notice, Bubba,

690
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: when blacks have a grievance, if they have a complaint,

691
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: if this country is so bad, leave It's almost as

692
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: if we this is our country. We have a right

693
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: to criticize this, We have a right to complain. Black

694
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: shut up, be grateful that you're here. You get gable employment,

695
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: and we don't want to hear from you. So what

696
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: how do how do we how do we convince those

697
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: to see us as equal to say, we have flesh

698
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: and we have skin in the game. Also think if

699
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: we knew that answer to be a much better place.

700
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: So I think I think, you know, there was a

701
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: show of entitlement that we've seen there at the Capitol. Yeah,

702
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: and you know, I think that's the same show that

703
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: we have when we show up to the racetracks or

704
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: the basketball course. It's like, this is our court, you know.

705
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: But this is on a much broader scale. Take takeout, sports,

706
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: take out. This is dictating how our life is running

707
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: and control basically correct. And it's like, Okay, like you said,

708
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: we have skin in the game too, Why can't we

709
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 1: express that? Why can't we show that? I don't know

710
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: why it's not allowed just because well, I think they're

711
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: scared of us. Oh no, I think a lot of

712
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: this have to do Bubba. They look at it. If

713
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: you're like black and successful, why do you care about

714
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: someone that's black and not successful? Why do you care

715
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: if you have if you have a you live in

716
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: a gated community, you have nice cars, you have a

717
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: nice bank account, shadow, why do you care about them?

718
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: Because I'm human because I have something called empathy. I

719
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:02,439
Speaker 1: have something called compassion, and if just not, I've never

720
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: looked at it bub But I don't know, and I

721
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: don't want to speak for you, and I won't to

722
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: speak for anybody else. But I've never been one that

723
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: says because I have everything is well as well in

724
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: the world. That's not how I look at it. That's

725
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: not how I was raised. Nope, Nope. If I show

726
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: up in a nice car, I'm hesitant. I'm not the

727
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: boastful like, oh check me out. This is what it

728
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: is, is is what it's all about. You know, this is like, hey,

729
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,919
Speaker 1: if you work hard, you can get to these levels

730
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: one day. And I encourage everybody to work hard and

731
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: do what you gotta do and push people to be

732
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: better from all aspects. That's what that's what it's about.

733
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 1: It's about lending that helping hand. How can we get

734
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: you to the next level? And whatever aspect it is

735
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: in life, whatever job, whatever career you have, you know,

736
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: how can you be better? You know, seeing what I

737
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 1: do as motivation, use that. Seeing what you do as motivation,

738
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: I use that. You know, It's it's not being the

739
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: jealous type or the two good from one another, because

740
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: I know where I came from. I ain't have nothing,

741
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: but if you work hard and put your mind to it,

742
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: anything is accomplishable. And so it's just man, it's it's

743
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: so tough to have all the correct answers and how

744
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: making this world a better place. That's why these conversations

745
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: are being had, is to figure out all that and

746
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: and for us to sit down and have that dialogue,

747
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: have that fellowship, and then other people will start to

748
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 1: watch and latch on and be like, you know what,

749
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 1: these guys make a pretty good point. But I think

750
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: showing that we all bled the same, we all cry

751
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: the same, we all put on our pants the same way.

752
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: It's like, we're not saying we're better than you. You're

753
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: not better than us. We're all equal. When when can

754
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 1: we understand that what's it gonna take. Obviously the looting,

755
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: the rioting and whatever we've seen that was the chaos

756
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: capital that ain't the right way. That's just expressing your feelings.

757
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: Yeah sure, but that still ain't the right way to

758
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: do things. So we got to see when they did that,

759
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: they say, those are people that are pissed off. But

760
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: when black see people, we protest inequality, We protest police brutality.

761
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: We protest things of that nature. Oh well, well, if

762
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: an excuse, excuse, excuses, excuses all day long. Excuses are

763
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: like elbows. Everybody's going close. Said that. I said that

764
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 1: in the nice way. You know what I was gonna say. Yeah,

765
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: since we're talking about social issues, one of the greatest Americans,

766
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: one of the most famous Americans, has a birthday coming up,

767
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 1: Doctor MLK, Doctor King, What does he mean to Bubba Wallace?

768
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: And what do you think if he was alive today,

769
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: what do you think, after what he had gone through

770
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: in the late fifties and sixties, if he was alive today,

771
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: what do you think he would say? I think we

772
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 1: want to know what that dream was that he has.

773
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: Is this a part of that dream that he had? Honestly,

774
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. I sit there and think about that

775
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: a lot. I think about Not to get off topic,

776
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: but I sit there and think about how the music

777
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: industry would be different if Pocket Biggie were around, how

778
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: racing would be if Dylan Heart Senior was around, you know,

779
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: how how things would be different if if the certain

780
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: leaders that we had in this world were around. And

781
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what he would say, none

782
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: of us are happy, so he wouldn't be happy, but

783
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: maybe he would have more more pushed to uh to

784
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: create change. I don't know. That's just tough. And I

785
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: think about that constantly from every aspect, for every profession

786
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: and whatever, leaders, music, racings, whatever it is. I'm always like,

787
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,439
Speaker 1: what would they say? And I never have the answer.

788
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: What what did your parents? Did your parents talk to

789
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: you about, doctor King? I'm sure in your situation, they

790
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: probably experienced some things that were very unpleasant. What what

791
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 1: was it like with your background? Honestly, I grew up

792
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: in a diverse neighborhood. I had friends from all backgrounds.

793
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: I went to school in a majority white school. I

794
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: would say. I asked my mom this U two weeks ago.

795
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: I was like, Hey, do you know the numbers on

796
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: Northwest where I went to school? And she was like no,

797
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: I was like majority white. She was like yeah for

798
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: the most part. And I was like, yeah, I would

799
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: think so, and but I didn't. I didn't understand no

800
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: those things. I just thought every school was the same,

801
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: you know, you know, there's all black school. I didn't

802
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: understand that stuff until actually I got out and got

803
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: to experience the real world, it's like, oh, okay, you know,

804
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: there's different demographics here and there. But for me, it's like, hey,

805
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: if we if we treat each other with respect, then

806
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 1: we can be friends. And and if we don't, it's

807
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: not it's not the respect deal. Obviously respect everybody, but

808
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 1: is if we don't agree on something, this is what's

809
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: wrong with the world. People hate you because you say

810
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: something different instead of just being like, all right, I

811
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: don't agree with that. I don't I don't hate them,

812
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: but I just don't agree with that and move on. Right.

813
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: You know, I've had plenty of people come through my

814
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: life and say some some hey the sky is red,

815
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't agree with that. I don't

816
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: know if we can, you know, vibe, but hey, have

817
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: a good day though, you know whatever, respect to you

818
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: now it's now now it's like what you say, okay,

819
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: now you know, we gotta fight. I gotta kill you,

820
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: I gotta do this. I gotta hurt you because you

821
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: said some dumb stuff. It's like, that's it's not a

822
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: place we should be in a violence. And so for me,

823
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: I didn't have it hard growing up. I like I said,

824
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: I experienced those those runnings with the law, and hey,

825
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: you got drugs or guns? You have a nice car here.

826
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: It's like, no, I don't, but I know why you're

827
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: asking this because of the way I look, and that's

828
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: not right. But I can buy you one if you won't,

829
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: one big dog. But hey, I didn't. I didn't, I

830
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: didn't go there on, I didn't go right, Doctor King

831
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 1: says life most pressing question is what are you doing

832
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 1: for others? Do you feel a sense of responsibility that

833
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: you're in the position platform that you have not only

834
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: to speak out, but to do to make sure it

835
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: is better for the next generation, because everybody keep saying

836
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: it's gonna get better, it's gonna get better. And I'd

837
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,959
Speaker 1: like you, man, doctor King, in your dream, how much

838
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: worth did it get before it got better? Exactly exactly?

839
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: And I think I think we all got to go

840
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: through adversity, we all got to go through a low

841
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: point in life, and and I hope this is our

842
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: low point. I hope it don't get much worse than this,

843
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 1: because it's pretty bad across the whole board, for for

844
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: our world right now, right with this virus and then

845
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: everything that's going on in our nation. But you know,

846
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,959
Speaker 1: God has a plan for all of us, and that's

847
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of stand behind that. And everything

848
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: happens for a reason, and it's so it's so weird

849
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: to think, but things happen for a reason, and that's

850
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: that's what it is, and that's what I go off of,

851
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: And so I don't kind of go too far off

852
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: the deep end and try to figure out why this

853
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 1: has happened. It's just because it did. And so I think,

854
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: you know, we, like I said, we all got to

855
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: experience some bad before we get to the good in

856
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: our life. And and it's how you it's how you

857
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: come out of that bad. It's how that bad shaped you,

858
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: shape you the right way to the wrong way. You

859
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: got to pick and choose your battles. There you you

860
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: were in a program called Drive a Diversity. Tell us

861
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: a little bit about the program. Yeah, so when we

862
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: jumped on it was a brand new year for years past.

863
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: You went through a combine type deal, competition based deal.

864
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: We had sixty drivers. They would windle it down to

865
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: ten and then they would ship you out across the states,

866
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: you know, go to certain teams. You'd be there for

867
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: a full season and whatever series it was and that

868
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: was it. And when I jumped in, everything was in house.

869
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: Everything was moved to REV Racing right there in Moresville,

870
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: and all the drivers were in the same team crew chief,

871
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: same area, like we were all you know, four kN

872
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: in cars, six late models like we were. We were

873
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: all in house working together, and you know it was

874
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: it was documented on BT, you know, changing as we

875
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: got the experience off track publicity just as much as

876
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 1: the on track publicity coming out of the gates for

877
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: us winning me winning the first race at green Wall

878
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: Picking Speedway there in twenty ten, and then kind of

879
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: kind of you know, hey, I'm here, I'm here in

880
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: the sport. I want to make this my career. And

881
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: then we went on to win four more races in

882
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: those two years, winning Rookie of the Year, putting together

883
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: a great kind of foundation to the NASCAR ranks. And

884
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: so you know, now it's continuing to buy to provide

885
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: opportunities for minorities that necessarily feel like they don't have

886
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: the funding or the resources to get in to that

887
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: next level. And so now it's like, okay, we'll get

888
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: you guys together. You send in your resumes, we look

889
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: it over and if we think that you have it,

890
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: we'll give you a shot. Doesn't mean you're in. We'll

891
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: give you a shot, and they'll hold a three or

892
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: four D eight test session for all the drivers and

893
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: again windle it down to I think it's it's a

894
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: little bit less thing. It's six an hour or so,

895
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: so the spots are a little bit more slim. But

896
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 1: you know, if you show up with the with the attitude,

897
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: the mindset that that second is not an option, then

898
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: you gotta show that and you gotta carry that. And

899
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: that's that's the one thing that you see kids coming

900
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,439
Speaker 1: up through. Now, how critics have said, man, this ain't

901
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: nothing but window drifting for affirmative action. How do you

902
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: respond to that? Obviously, there's like I said, glass half full,

903
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: glass half empty. This is a great opportunity for minorities.

904
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 1: This is a handout for minorities. You you walk your walk,

905
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: you talk your talk. You this is your path. You

906
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: stay on it, don't let the naysayers get in your head,

907
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: and you prove them wrong. And once we win this year,

908
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna prove everybody wrong. You were born in Alabama,

909
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: you've raised in North Carolina, which North Carolina is considered

910
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: the Nascard the raising capitol of the world. And you

911
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 1: you're you're in Concord round Mooresville, Connapolis. I've been up

912
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: in that area. I got my dog from there. What

913
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 1: was it like growing up in North Carolina? And did

914
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: you always want to be a race car driver or

915
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: did you want to play football? Basketball? Baseball? How did

916
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: how did math card getting your blood? Yeah? So we

917
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: actually lived ten minutes from the speedway, fifteen minutes from

918
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: the speedway, and two times throughout the year. I didn't

919
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: know that it was May in October, but it always

920
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 1: happened to be at those times. And you hear race

921
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: cars over there, and it's like, what's that. It's like,

922
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: that's the race track over there. It's like, okay, I'm

923
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: gonna go back outside and play with hide and go

924
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: seek and tag with my friends or whatever. And that

925
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: was that. And I started playing basketball at the age

926
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 1: of five and did the little rec league stuff. And

927
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: my sister, she's five years older than me, she was

928
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 1: she was playing travel au ball and so we were

929
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: always traveling around following her, and I enjoyed it because

930
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: her her teammates had brothers and sisters that we were

931
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: all in the same age groups. So we were out

932
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: around in the gym having fun, and I would play

933
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: basketball when i'd get back home. And then I when

934
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: I was seven and eight or now, actually I was

935
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 1: eight and nine, I jumped on the travel au ball team,

936
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: and I kind of thought that was my career path

937
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: love playing basketball, didn't really necessarily know of anything else.

938
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: I remember going to the speedway when I was probably

939
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: five or six with my parents for a dinner for something.

940
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: I don't know why we went, and I was like,

941
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: can we go home? I'm ready to go home. I

942
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 1: play it outside. And when I was nine, my dad

943
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: had bought a Harley Davidson, took it to a bike

944
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: shop to get it all customized out, and the guy

945
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: who owned the bike shop called Are invited us to

946
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: come out one weekend and we became really good family

947
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: friends even to this day. And next thing you know,

948
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: it was like sitting in the stands that weekend my

949
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: dad I was like, Hey, you want to try this,

950
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: and I'm like, sure, why not. I remember going to

951
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: the racetrack. Actually my dad had a go cart and

952
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: I would go to the racetrack with them and I

953
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: would play with the race cars and the dirt and

954
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: and do all that stuff. But that never was like

955
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: I want to do this. My dad flipped. He raced

956
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: three times, and he flipped every single time. He flipped

957
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: three times, and so I definitely at my driving skills

958
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: from him. He was he's always been a racing fan.

959
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: You know, he's from Nashville. That my family. Part of

960
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: my family's from Nashville. So they raced sit there at

961
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: the fairgrounds. But it wasn't until we were sitting in

962
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: the stands he was like, you want to try it?

963
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: And I'm like, sure, why not? And that was it.

964
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: We went out and bought a go cart the next

965
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: weekend and started testing and running. My first race was

966
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: a national event. We wrecked out cart was mangled and destroyed,

967
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: and I was like, hey, can we fix it, get

968
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: back out there. My dad was like, all right, we're

969
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: gonna be in this sport for a while. Once I

970
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: asked that. So the rest is history. No no, so

971
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: basketball first love and ben Nast card. No football, no

972
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: baseball I did. I did peewee football, and I hated practice.

973
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: I played football. I members I will never forget this.

974
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: I was a nose guard, whatever position that was basically

975
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 1: the same. When I was five years old and I

976
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: remember making a player something and I was so tired

977
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: and I saw I walked over to the sideline and

978
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: everybody's like looking for me, where's he hat? And I'm

979
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: just sitting there like, yeah, where am I hat? And

980
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, so they had somebody else come out there.

981
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: I think that was my last game. I was like,

982
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 1: that was the last time with football for you? Huh, yes,

983
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: that was the last time. So your dad take you

984
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 1: to the track at nine years old, asking did you

985
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: want to try it? You go try it. You wrecked

986
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: the car, I mean you wreck the gold cart. And

987
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,399
Speaker 1: then I remember we had a gold cart. My brother

988
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: and I had a gold cart. We had it came

989
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: in like three uh three horsepower five and eight eight

990
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: was the biggest you could get, uh for a gold cart.

991
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: That was a twoth because it was we had a seat,

992
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: you had a single feeder and you had a tooth feedter.

993
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: My brother and my brother had we had a twoth

994
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 1: seedter d never forget. And then my brother one from

995
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 1: my cousins, a black when they had a five horsepower

996
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: engine that was a single feater. So when you get

997
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: started and I guess you go from gold cart and

998
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: you graduate the midgets, how fix fifthful were you? And

999
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: then you were you going all across the country racing

1000
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,240
Speaker 1: these things. Yeah, so we were covering about a four

1001
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 1: four hour radius once we kind of gotten established in

1002
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: the sport. But in our go cart days, we were

1003
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: racing in Virginia. We were racing my first race, like

1004
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: I said, was a national event in Florida. First ever

1005
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: time basically on the racetrack was in Florida. Three hundred carts.

1006
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 1: So we were traveling kind of all over Jasper, Florida.

1007
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: Was that it was the was the town there. I

1008
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: don't know if that speedway is still there, but but

1009
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: it took us about a year and a half. We

1010
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: spent about two years in every series. We felt like

1011
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: that was the right amount of time and every series

1012
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 1: and it's like okay, here's a new, bigger and faster car.

1013
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: But it took us I don't know, I don't remember,

1014
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: let's say six months and it was like, Okay, we're

1015
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: starting to figure this stuff out. I remember in Bendalerro's

1016
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: our first year was growing pains. In the second year

1017
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: we won thirty five out of forty eight races that year,

1018
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 1: and and we were traveling all over and then Legend

1019
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 1: Car days. Did a lot of the kids look like you?

1020
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: Because I'm thinking there's gonna be some resentment you went

1021
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: in that minute raised this as the only black and

1022
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: this is the majority of them are white. They're like,

1023
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: hold on, what's going on? Did they kick the gold card?

1024
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: Did they think you had something special? Oh? Every week

1025
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: we got dq before we even got off the racetrack.

1026
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: Bro it was, it was. It was pretty bad there

1027
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: for a little bit. When we got to the Bandalara

1028
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: ranks and legend car stuff. We were our mentality. I

1029
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: have a good friend that we raced against each other. Now,

1030
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 1: Daniel Henrin, he said, he says we were either winning

1031
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 1: and fighting or losing and fighting. We weren't going down

1032
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: without a fight. I mean we were. We were in

1033
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 1: your face, yelling, calling you every name in the book.

1034
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: But we were there to win and we were done wrong.

1035
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: And so many ways from the officiating to wherever it was.

1036
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 1: I'll never forget we had won a legend car race

1037
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 1: and uh at Charlotte over at Speedway and and I

1038
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: go and do my interview and as I'm coming in

1039
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 1: to pull in the tech. My dad's standing there pointing

1040
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: me by with a very aggressive point like, and I'm like,

1041
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 1: what's up. We're supposed to pulling here. He's like, nope,

1042
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: they d qt us. They said, we don't know what

1043
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: you got, but we know you're cheating. You're dq go

1044
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: back to the haller and and it was like okay,

1045
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 1: so that we kind of knew our place there. It's like,

1046
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: if they can't beat us, they're gonna protest us and everything.

1047
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: And hey, we got caught cheating one time. That was it,

1048
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: and it was for something that was some bogus stuff.

1049
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: But hey, other than that, we won fair and square.

1050
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: I'm reading, so I guess the legends it is kind

1051
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 1: of like AAU for basketball, Like you travel you go

1052
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: around the country and the BEF team from the in

1053
00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: the age groups all over and you're with So I

1054
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 1: guess if you know, if I got a good AA

1055
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 1: you traveling basketball team and I'm winning all the tournaments,

1056
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: people are gonna naturally think I'm recruiting the players. So

1057
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: they got you got to be doing. There's no way

1058
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: Bubble could win all these races. Forty eight races he wins,

1059
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: thirty five he gotta be doing something. Let's check his Injine,

1060
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: what's he doing that We're not They they always sourced

1061
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: uh suspective, Yes, suspicious of something going on. They never

1062
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: wanted to accept the the experience or the the talent

1063
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 1: that I had. But hey, so be it. It's it's

1064
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: fun talking about those stories now looking back on all

1065
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: that stuff, seeing where we came from, where we went.

1066
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: I'm reading that your mom would the track star at

1067
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: the University of Tennessee. Talk to me about your mom

1068
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: and her influence on you and racing. Yeah, mom has

1069
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: been the backbone for my sister and for myself and

1070
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: our in our careers and and it's been it's been

1071
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: cool to see. I remember, I'll never forget it kind

1072
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: of two thousand and nine, twenty ten, when we kind

1073
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 1: of signed on with JGR and that was kind of

1074
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: their big break, you know. Two thousand and eight we

1075
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: spent a core of a million dollars for myself on

1076
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 1: to stay on the race track, and that was probably

1077
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: our best year in racing for sure, in the late models.

1078
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: But two thousand and nine, two thousand of funny story

1079
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,760
Speaker 1: about that two thousand and nine was when we signed

1080
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: on with JGR and started getting you know, a couple

1081
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: grand here you go, give you some oil, give you

1082
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: some product to help you out. That was our worst

1083
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: year ever. I quit. I quit halfway through two thousand

1084
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: and nine. I said. We were showing up to race

1085
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: tracks where we had run second, we had run top

1086
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 1: five at and we show up in two thousand and nine,

1087
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 1: we were getting lapped in the first twenty laps and

1088
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: I said, I quit. I'm done. I didn't come here

1089
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,720
Speaker 1: to run, to run this bad. And so we closed

1090
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: up shop in two thousand and nine and then luckily

1091
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,720
Speaker 1: the drive for Diversity Days coming about. But my mom

1092
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 1: was always there, supportive of everything that went on and everything.

1093
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: You grew up in a buy race your household, which

1094
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: is very difficult, especially in the South, because on one

1095
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,720
Speaker 1: side you're black, but they say you're not really black,

1096
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: and on the other side you're not. You're definitely not white.

1097
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: So you caught it on both sides. So how what

1098
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: was it like growing up in the South from a

1099
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: biracial household man? I never felt like I was just

1100
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: always that, I guess, happy go lucky kid and just

1101
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: didn't didn't necessarily notice if anybody was giving me a

1102
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: side eye or treating me different. I was just like,

1103
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:38,720
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I guess he ain't cool whatever,

1104
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: And he just kind of move on about it, and

1105
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 1: you don't think of you don't think about why. It's

1106
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: just like, well, hell, I'm gonna hang out and do

1107
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: all the fun stuff. You can sit up here and

1108
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: be mad for whatever reason you're mad about. But I

1109
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: honestly don't know of how bad I really had it.

1110
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,800
Speaker 1: And in those terms, I'm not saying everything was perfect

1111
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,399
Speaker 1: and I grew up in this, you know, wonderful. Maybe

1112
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: that's a good thing. Maybe I was just so young

1113
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 1: and naive that I was just like, hey, I'm ready

1114
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: to play Hide and go Seek with friends, let's do it,

1115
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: and not really understand why why can't why can't little

1116
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: Johnny come out and play today? Because and then the

1117
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: parents will close the door and it's just like, okay,

1118
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: you must be in trouble. And so not knowing that

1119
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: I was probably the issue. But anyways, I'm sure my

1120
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: parents got to experience a lot unfortunately, but you know,

1121
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: we didn't really have those conversations of you know, hey,

1122
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: we experienced this today, you know, this is what happened.

1123
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: It was. I'm sure they kept that to themselves, but

1124
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: once we got into the racing world, we were able

1125
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: to talk about a little bit more. When Dale Scott,

1126
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: he's the only other black driver to ray full time

1127
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: on NASCAR, What was it like meeting him and what

1128
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: does that mean to carry the legacy because they haven't

1129
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: been very many and they haven't had the longevity that

1130
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: you seem to be had. I think, yeah, yeah, I am,

1131
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: you know, being able to know his family and and

1132
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: I'll never forget meeting Windell Scott Jr. And hearing the

1133
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: stories about you know, their dad and what he went through,

1134
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: and and and then being a part of Petty and

1135
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: knowing that how big of an influence that Petty was

1136
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: to to Windell Scott and giving them basically hand me

1137
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: down parts and pieces to to help him, you know,

1138
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: stay on the racetrack and compete the following weeks. And

1139
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 1: so I just, you know, you know, live for all

1140
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: those stories and knowing how much of a pioneer he

1141
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,919
Speaker 1: really was, and you know, he I felt like, I'm

1142
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: kind of like him. He's just there to race. He's

1143
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: not there for any of the other bulls bull stuff

1144
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: that that's going on. To to you know, to the

1145
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: media side of things. It's just like, hey, man, I

1146
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: might look different, but hey, we all still driving, you know,

1147
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 1: sixty laps here, Let's give it our all and and

1148
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: then you know, shake hands after. But it wasn't that

1149
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: easy for him as it is today. But knowing that

1150
00:58:58,240 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: he just wanted to show up and drive, that's all

1151
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: I wanted. But the bagine, I mean, you drive cars.

1152
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: Let me atch your question. If something goes on with

1153
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: your car, could you fix it? To an extent, it's

1154
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: so it's so engineer based now, it's so engineer based.

1155
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: Now that's gonna be my excuse. There's so much intricate

1156
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: stuff that I wouldn't know what to do. But to

1157
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: an extent, I could put some air in the tires

1158
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: and fuel and the tank. We could be going. Now

1159
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about your race car. I'm talking about

1160
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: the car if you drive every single day, if something

1161
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: goes over with that, I will see now now, and

1162
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: those they're so intricate, Hey, your your your blinkers not working.

1163
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 1: That that affects every something in the fuel line, and

1164
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 1: that affects something and it's like, jeez, just give me

1165
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: the old school stuff. I'll be good. I read the

1166
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: story about Window Scott and how he would deny a

1167
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: trophy in a windows check he won, He won a

1168
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: race by two laps, but he would denied the trophy

1169
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: and the check. Yeah, that's when uh NASCAR was trying

1170
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: to find their way. I'll say that because this was

1171
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: an obviously different time and society and in our history

1172
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 1: to where you know, colors weren't accepted and so him

1173
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: showing up on the scene, you know, he wasn't accepted

1174
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: from the sanctioning body. And obviously things have changed tenfold now,

1175
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: you know with me and all the African Americans that

1176
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: are part of our sport are welcome with open arms,

1177
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: and so you know, seeing that, it's like, man, just

1178
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: it just makes you appreciate the history and see how

1179
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: far things have come and still how far things have

1180
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: to go. And then I read that they denied him,

1181
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 1: but once the fans left the track, they gave him

1182
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: the check. They gave him enough money to cover his

1183
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 1: gas expense, and handed him to trophy to get back

1184
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: to where he came from. So basically it wasn't about

1185
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: they knew he had won, but they couldn't give this

1186
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 1: man the winner's check and the and the presentation in

1187
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 1: front of the fans, and they said it was a

1188
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: miss scoring. Yeah they oh we had this miscorre here.

1189
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: So yeah. So it's just it's just crazy to think that,

1190
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, look at the technology and the people that

1191
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 1: were in place, and how much of its wint to technology.

1192
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: And you know, back then they were people. My mom

1193
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 1: had to do this one time, had to write down

1194
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: a hash mark for two hundred and fifty laps. It's like,

1195
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: if we knew the system, hey give me an extra

1196
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: lap so I'm ahead of the field by lab. It

1197
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 1: was that's how people used to time and score with people.

1198
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 1: You'd mark, you cross, the start, finished on, you'd mark

1199
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: a lab, you'd mark another lab. I would fall asleep

1200
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: if I was doing that. And so seeing how that

1201
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: has gone from people to now technology we have timing

1202
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: and scoring, we have transponders and whatever. It's just like

1203
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 1: man's crazy but still not acceptable. One are some of

1204
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: the other Window Scott probably the most famous of the black,

1205
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: but you got Bill Lefter, Willy t Rives, the Lives Buoy,

1206
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 1: Mark Davis. There's so many that obviously didn't get the

1207
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: fanfare that Window Scott Gotten. Now you with social media

1208
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,040
Speaker 1: and television and marketing the way it is. Now, what

1209
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: are some of the other guys the influenced African American

1210
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: driver the influence Bubba Wallace. Yeah, I remember showing up

1211
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: when I was in the Legend Car days and actually

1212
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: seeing Mark Davis racing and getting to know him, become

1213
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: friends with him, and watch him come up through the ranks.

1214
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:17,919
Speaker 1: And I remember sitting there at Hickory Motor Speedway when

1215
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 1: and my dad would be like, you know, watch watch

1216
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: how Mark's racing here, because he was fast, he was

1217
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: really good, and you know, trying to learn from him,

1218
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 1: understanding the history and seeing that Bill Lester was in

1219
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: the sport. And I remember playing some old NASCAR games

1220
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 1: and Bill Lester being, you know, one of the drivers

1221
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: you can pick from, and I would pick him, and

1222
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: I'm kind of thinking, like what my mindset was back

1223
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 1: then when I was ten eleven years old, was it

1224
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: was I picking him because he was a black driver,

1225
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: or I think it was because I was like, this

1226
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 1: is pretty cool, so I'm gonna use him because he

1227
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,439
Speaker 1: looks like me. And it's like, okay, I'm gonna pick

1228
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 1: Bill here. And now actually I had a great conversation

1229
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: with with with Bill Lester last week on how we

1230
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:05,479
Speaker 1: can make this better sport for minorities coming up through

1231
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: UH and just and motorsports in general better for minorities.

1232
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: So it's it's pretty cool to see how everything come

1233
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: full circles. Well, but when you really look at it,

1234
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 1: there are certain sports that are kind of cost prohibitive,

1235
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 1: especially from minoritiest. You look at golf, you've got green thieves,

1236
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 1: you've got clubs. Uh. You look at tennis, you need

1237
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 1: normal to be a club. They're not a whole lot

1238
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 1: of public tennis courses. And racing cars, gold cars even

1239
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: at every level of gas is expensive, parts is expensive.

1240
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 1: How do we get it so my more minorities can

1241
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 1: get and get involved because it's right. It might be

1242
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: a little cost prohibitive for a lot of minorities. It is.

1243
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: And that's the guy's honest truth. And and you know

1244
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: those are the phone calls that we've we've constantly from

1245
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: not even minorities. This is coach s Gibs, this is

1246
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: gonna be Denny Hamlet, Michael Jordan calling up now and

1247
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 1: being like this is way too expensive. Lower the price

1248
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: on this stuff. So it's all of us coming together

1249
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 1: as a collaborative group to figure out how we can

1250
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 1: be more cost efficient from all aspects on the race car.

1251
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 1: I mean, every every part in piece is X amount

1252
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: of dollars. That adds up to a multimillion dollars bill

1253
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 1: and you know, even getting into the lower ranks. You know,

1254
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 1: for me, I got back into the go car stuff

1255
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 1: about four or five years ago, and I was dropping

1256
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 1: thirty five hundred bucks to five grand just to get

1257
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 1: in the go car stuff and then spending eighteen hundred

1258
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 1: bucks on tires every week, Like people don't have that,

1259
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 1: and so it's like, man, how do we how do

1260
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 1: we you know, cut the costs down a lot? And

1261
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: the supply and demand is crazy right now. When you

1262
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 1: go to a race track and you see people that

1263
01:04:52,080 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 1: look like Bubba Wallace, what are you feeling? H out

1264
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:03,919
Speaker 1: for sure? Because you know some I've seen though don't

1265
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 1: even know who I am, and that's totally fine. They

1266
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 1: got on some other gear and I'm like, hmm, what

1267
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 1: if they know that there's after American out there? You know,

1268
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 1: I need to be like yo, look here, But I

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01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 1: think it's it's super cool. There's been a lot of

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01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: people coming up through the ranks, Uh, from drivers to

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01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 1: just fans that are minorities from after American background, from

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01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 1: all backgrounds really that that want to be a part

1273
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: of the sport or are tuning into the sports. So

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01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: it's super cool, uh and incredibly grateful for the opportunities

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01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 1: that I've had and looking to further that, looking to

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01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 1: further those relationships and just make my name more of

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01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 1: a household name on the race track. I remember you

1278
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 1: showing up to the track and you're driving the all

1279
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 1: black Black Lives Matter car. I can't breathe t shirt.

1280
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 1: There's there's just something about Look, you're they're difficult. You

1281
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: can have a yellow car, you can have a green car,

1282
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 1: but there's something about a black car, just something about black.

1283
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe because Dale Earnhardt and being timber data, maybe

1284
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 1: he made it cache and he had the guy going

1285
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 1: glasses all and you know he would bump you and

1286
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 1: he he pitch you and to win. Maybe that's what

1287
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 1: it is. But there's something about a black car. When

1288
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 1: you showed up in that car and what was going

1289
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 1: through your mind, what made you decide to say, Okay,

1290
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 1: today is the day that I'm gonna do this, well,

1291
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 1: listen to the irony that you say. Man, black is

1292
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 1: so sharp, Black cars are so sharp, Black people are

1293
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 1: so sharp too. Yeah. Yeah, people don't want to accept that.

1294
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 1: But that day that, I think it was like a

1295
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: week and a half before that, that race I was

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01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 1: it was brought to me like, hey, this is race

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01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 1: is unsponsored. This was right around the Blackout Tuesday, when

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01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 1: that movement was going through, and I thought my Instagram

1299
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 1: feed was broken because it was just a bunch of

1300
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 1: black squares. I'm like, what's going on right now? And

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01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 1: then I finally understood what it was. It was that

1302
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 1: day it's like, hey, what about a blackout car for Martinsville.

1303
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 1: And I'm like, that'd be pretty bad ass. That's cool,

1304
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 1: let's do it, you know, all black car, no sponsors.

1305
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 1: And then we got to toss arounds ideas it's like, well,

1306
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: instead of a black car, let's let's figure out an

1307
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 1: organization or something to kind of give back and show

1308
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: yeah cause to uh to give to and and and

1309
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 1: make it that and I'm like okay. And so it

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01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 1: took me about ten minutes and I was like, hey,

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01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 1: let's just put hashtag black Lives matter. Just put that

1312
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 1: on there. I don't have to call directly to somebody

1313
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 1: and ask for permission, just put that on there. And

1314
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 1: so that was that was that, that was it. And

1315
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 1: then Richard Petty was like, well, let's put the peace

1316
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 1: symbol here, Let's put some something on the hood. And

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01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, let's make this a love, compassion and

1318
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 1: understanding car that you know everybody can rally behind. Well,

1319
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 1: obviously you put that hashtag on the car than you

1320
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 1: are ever Oh yeah, it's like, oh you you stand

1321
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 1: for this, you stand for that, and out of this

1322
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 1: and that, I'm like, man, dang, I should have put

1323
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter two on the race card t oo,

1324
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 1: just to be like, hey, my black my black lives matters,

1325
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 1: you know, just as much as yours does. Like, hey,

1326
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 1: I just want to put that out there. But now

1327
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 1: it was. It was a very controversial deal but ended

1328
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:19,719
Speaker 1: up being one of the best races of my career

1329
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 1: for sure. A ton of fun that night at Martinsville,

1330
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:27,639
Speaker 1: and just just an incredible moment for sport, for the nation,

1331
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 1: for the world. Really, you mentioned about your encounter with

1332
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 1: the police, you got pulled over. Talk about what happened

1333
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 1: and what was going through your mind, because you know

1334
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 1: how sometimes encountered with police officers and African Americans doesn't

1335
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 1: always end with a friendly outcome. Yeah, now for sure.

1336
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 1: I was going to my friend's house in Virginia on

1337
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 1: the first occasion and got pulled over for not using

1338
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 1: my turn signal and going down seventy seven there, and

1339
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, my bat and comes back hands me.

1340
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 1: I think I got a ticket for that, and he

1341
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 1: does the old here's your license and registration back. Wait

1342
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:15,679
Speaker 1: a minute, Yes, it's a nice car. You got guns,

1343
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:18,600
Speaker 1: drugs and weapons in here. I was like no, I

1344
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 1: sure don't. And he was like, well, mind if I

1345
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:25,799
Speaker 1: searched a vehicle and I was like no, go ahead,

1346
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 1: And I was just like not really understanding the moment

1347
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:33,280
Speaker 1: there until I talked to my family after and and

1348
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 1: I was once I realized, I quickly realized. They asked

1349
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 1: me to get out of the vehicle. I stood about

1350
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 1: twenty thirty yards away, had three other cop show and

1351
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,559
Speaker 1: went through my whole car. Didn't find anything. I had

1352
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:47,800
Speaker 1: just got my car cleaned that morning before I left,

1353
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 1: so it was spotless. And and so that was they

1354
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: were like, well we didn't find anything. Have a good day,

1355
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: and it was like, yeah, I told you that before

1356
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: this thirty minute or deal, and so went upon my way.

1357
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:02,680
Speaker 1: I was pissed. I was frustrated, called my mom and

1358
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 1: then went to This was fast forward. That was twenty ten.

1359
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 1: Fast forward to about twenty seventeen, twenty sixteen. I'm going

1360
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 1: to the golf course, I believe, and and I'm going

1361
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 1: down Highway three here right here in Cannapolis, and a

1362
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 1: car pulls out right in front of me, and so

1363
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 1: race car mentality, you pull out right in front of me,

1364
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:30,840
Speaker 1: You got you got a couple of seconds before I

1365
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 1: I want to hit you, but I'm not going to

1366
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 1: hit you because then it's obviously insurance and stuff. But

1367
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:37,599
Speaker 1: I'll get I'll get this close. And if my girlfriend's

1368
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 1: riding with Michee, she hates that, she freaks out. I'm like, chill,

1369
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:42,599
Speaker 1: I know what I'm doing. But I got right up

1370
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 1: on the bumper of this car, and I'm like, what

1371
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:48,559
Speaker 1: the hell go? So I slammed on my horn to

1372
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 1: go because I was going it was it was fifty five,

1373
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 1: so I was going probably sixteen and fifty five and

1374
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 1: this car pulls out going twenty and so I slam

1375
01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 1: on brakes and everything, so honk on the horn, throw

1376
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 1: on their hazards. So I'm like, okay, obviously this person

1377
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 1: is struggling with something. That car is beat. It was

1378
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 1: an old beat too, So I look, nobody coming, double

1379
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 1: dalow lines, hazards on. So I go around them, pull

1380
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 1: up to the stoplight. Three cops get out, guns out

1381
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 1: of their holsters, not pointed at me, not pointed at me.

1382
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 1: They're like, pull over here in this parking lot. And

1383
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, undercover car. And then they were

1384
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:29,599
Speaker 1: like some bounty hunter type people, and so I'm like, okay,

1385
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 1: so I'll pull over here. And I'm like piste off

1386
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 1: at the whole situation, Like it's like, you guys pulled

1387
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 1: out in front of me, and it was like, will

1388
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 1: you pass us on a double all line? Well you

1389
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 1: pulled out in front of me, Well you pass us

1390
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 1: on it. It's like all right, I ain't gonna win

1391
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 1: this argument. And so they come over and it's like

1392
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 1: I'm driving Alexis at this time, and and he walks

1393
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:52,760
Speaker 1: over and he was like, man, this is a nice car.

1394
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 1: Can you afford it? What do you do? And I'm like,

1395
01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 1: what kind of would you have me? There? Yeah, and

1396
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 1: I said, doesn't matter what I do, and yes, I

1397
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 1: can afford it, and I was like yeah, yeah, and

1398
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:06,680
Speaker 1: I just because I wanted to say, yeah, I can

1399
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 1: have you one here tomorrow two big boy, but because then,

1400
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 1: because then that would have been another hashtag. So that's

1401
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:15,599
Speaker 1: that's you know what I hate. I hate when they

1402
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,759
Speaker 1: do that. When you pulled me over and you get looked.

1403
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 1: You can either write me a ticket and tell me

1404
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:23,799
Speaker 1: to slow down. But I'm not gonna let you lecture

1405
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 1: me and give me a ticket. Now you're gonna be

1406
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 1: able to do one or the other. And whatever you do,

1407
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 1: don't patronize me. Man, it's a really nice car. Ruh.

1408
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 1: Just go ahead and write the ticket and let me

1409
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 1: be on your way because I ain't got a whole

1410
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 1: lot of conversation for you. I ain't got anything. I

1411
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 1: just want to get on my way. Yeah, but you

1412
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 1: did you. I'm reading that you had a cousin that

1413
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 1: lost his life at the hands of the police. Yep, yep.

1414
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:52,679
Speaker 1: I was eight years old. I believe whatever, however old

1415
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 1: you are, in fourth grade, I remember fourth grade, and

1416
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 1: we were in somewhere. We may have been here. I

1417
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 1: want to say we were in or something out a

1418
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:05,639
Speaker 1: basketball tournament for my sister, and I remember running through.

1419
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:08,639
Speaker 1: I remember eating one of those big remember those big

1420
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:10,759
Speaker 1: fat pig you still get them, the big fat pickles

1421
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 1: in the packages, the spicy Yeah, I don't. I don't

1422
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 1: me with pickles. No, okay, all right, Well I remember

1423
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:17,559
Speaker 1: having one of those and running around the gym or whatever.

1424
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 1: And I will never forget this day. We were in

1425
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:21,759
Speaker 1: the parking lot and I just hear the most terrifying

1426
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 1: scream from my mom, and I'm like eating my pickle, Like,

1427
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 1: what's going on? What happened? And it was our cousin

1428
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 1: Sean was shot and killed the night before and or

1429
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 1: maybe early that morning. I think it was early that morning,

1430
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 1: two or three am that morning. But they said they

1431
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 1: said that they were at the gas station there in Knoxville,

1432
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 1: at a Wiggles there in Knoxville, and they were playing

1433
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 1: loud music like a little little block party at the

1434
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:56,680
Speaker 1: gas station, and they said the clerk got scared of

1435
01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 1: all the black people. They were called the cops, and

1436
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 1: and they said that there was one officer on the

1437
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 1: side of the car, there's one officer at the back.

1438
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 1: And they said, my cousin wants to go reach for

1439
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:13,600
Speaker 1: a gun, but there wasn't. There was a gun, but

1440
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:17,600
Speaker 1: it wasn't on his side of the car, and that

1441
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 1: was that was that he was shot in the back. Wow. Yeah,

1442
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 1: So that that had a lot to do with your

1443
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:30,679
Speaker 1: perception of how the the unfair treatment and how sometimes

1444
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:35,639
Speaker 1: and how police look at black motorists as a poll

1445
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:39,599
Speaker 1: to how they look at our counterparts. Then eight years old,

1446
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 1: I was just like, no, not then, but now, oh yeah, now, yes,

1447
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:47,599
Speaker 1: for sure, for sure, I got a total different understanding.

1448
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 1: When I was about fourteen, I was like, oh, I

1449
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 1: see why he was killed now, you know. Uh. Then

1450
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 1: I was just like, wow, we just lost our cousin,

1451
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:01,639
Speaker 1: you know, and that was that My parents, everybody else knew.

1452
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 1: But when you're that young, you don't think about you

1453
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 1: just you just think about a loss in the family.

1454
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:07,559
Speaker 1: And my family still greaze over that to this day.

1455
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 1: You know, I just passed your Knoxville for our Christmas

1456
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:16,720
Speaker 1: break and you see Wigels and all you can think

1457
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 1: of is is that moment and uh and so yeah,

1458
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 1: we've lost We've lost family to that. You know what,

1459
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to know this because I go back

1460
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 1: and forth and I hear a lot of race car

1461
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:32,520
Speaker 1: drivers say they are athletes. What type of physical conditioning,

1462
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 1: what type of shape? I know, you got to be

1463
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:39,559
Speaker 1: in mental shape because you can't have enough. Moment you

1464
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 1: go in one hundred and eighty miles an hour and

1465
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 1: you're two inches away from another car, a car or

1466
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:46,600
Speaker 1: the wall. So I get, I get the mental but

1467
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 1: what type of physical shape do you need to be

1468
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 1: in to be in a race card five hundred miles

1469
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 1: or fix six hundred miles? Yeah? So back when, obviously

1470
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Speaker 1: pre COVID, you know, I'll tell you my little secret

1471
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:04,040
Speaker 1: what I was doing. I was sitting my happy ass

1472
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 1: on the couch every day not doing a dang thing.

1473
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 1: I wasn't working out. I hate working out. It's just

1474
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 1: I get so just sidetracked and unmotivated. And then and so,

1475
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 1: but pre COVID, we were there from Thursday to Sunday

1476
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 1: every weekend, and you were getting your workout from driving

1477
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:23,680
Speaker 1: the cars. They're not the easiest thing to drive, and

1478
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:27,799
Speaker 1: so there's no power steering. Yeah, there there's power steering,

1479
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 1: but you got power stearing in those cars. Yeah yeah,

1480
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 1: we got power steering. Yeah, I thought you. I mean

1481
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 1: any car, any car, does not have power steering. Okay, okay, yeah, yeah,

1482
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about Formula one, but we have power steering,

1483
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:41,960
Speaker 1: but it's not it's not uncommon for a power steering

1484
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:43,599
Speaker 1: a lining to blow off and then next thing, you know,

1485
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:45,760
Speaker 1: you that's when we need muscles like you to get

1486
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:49,640
Speaker 1: around the race track. And so knock on wood. That

1487
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 1: hasn't happened to me, so hopefully it doesn't. But now

1488
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 1: this year, like I said, my mentality changed after watching

1489
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 1: The Last Dance and watching if you haven't seen it,

1490
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 1: the F one doc mentory, I think Drive Your Survive

1491
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:05,440
Speaker 1: or something like that. Yeah, watch that and seeing their mentality.

1492
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 1: Those guys are obviously you've got to be very lean

1493
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:10,640
Speaker 1: and fit to be in those cars. Yeah, you fit

1494
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 1: in those cars, yes, and you get slim all every

1495
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:17,040
Speaker 1: I think every driver is super slim and tall either

1496
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 1: small and skinny or tall and skinny. But you know,

1497
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 1: it kind of changed my mentality. It's like, Okay, I

1498
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 1: can't sit here and just be lazy the whole time.

1499
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:27,160
Speaker 1: I actually got to get up and work out and

1500
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 1: so years prior it was probably the first three races

1501
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 1: I was sore and whatnot. But then you get into

1502
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 1: a rhythm and you kind of start getting that workout

1503
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 1: back in. Well, when COVID hit whoa, there's no more practice.

1504
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 1: You're jumping straight into the race for four hours, four

1505
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 1: hundred laps, whatever it is, It's like, damn, I need

1506
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 1: to start working out. So, uh, signing on with Toyota

1507
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 1: this year brand that relationship back. I was like, Hey,

1508
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 1: I need to get in the gym and be a

1509
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 1: part of the TRD you know, organization and facility that

1510
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 1: we have here in North Carolina. So it's it's been good.

1511
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 1: I've been in the gym a couple of times a

1512
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 1: few times a week, which is way more than I

1513
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:06,080
Speaker 1: have been in the gym uh in the last three years.

1514
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 1: So I will say that, Well, I know Carl Edwards.

1515
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,719
Speaker 1: I've seen him workout, and I've seen him in Men's health,

1516
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 1: and I think Jimmy Johnson is a big a big

1517
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 1: workout for that. He's triathlon, yeah, he's running the Iron

1518
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 1: Man's and stuff. Yet other than that, all of us

1519
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 1: are kind of like, hey, I'm doing some workouts. Yeah yeah,

1520
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:25,639
Speaker 1: It's it's more it's more of this kind of working

1521
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:30,720
Speaker 1: out exactly, Doctor Peppers. I got a drink so what

1522
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 1: is it like that. I mean, obviously you have all

1523
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 1: this equipment, you're strapped in, the doors are well to shut.

1524
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 1: But to hit a wall going one hundred and fifty

1525
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:41,679
Speaker 1: plus miles an hour, it's not It's not the fun

1526
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:45,479
Speaker 1: most fun thing that you can do. You know. I've

1527
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:48,719
Speaker 1: had my fair shares of hitting the wall. Our brakes

1528
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 1: went out there Pocono, and I thought I was I

1529
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 1: thought I was dead, just the way the angle and

1530
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 1: I was gonna hit at and luckily at the last

1531
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 1: second it turned a different way and was able to

1532
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 1: walk away from and I'm back in the following week.

1533
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 1: But it hurts. It hurts for sure, the initial impact.

1534
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 1: You brace for impact and that's it. But you know,

1535
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 1: it's it's inevitable, what's gonna happen. Just have to be

1536
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 1: able mentally when you're younger. No, if you hit the wall,

1537
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 1: it's like everything's gonna be all right. You just gotta

1538
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:19,599
Speaker 1: get back in and keep doing it. What's Bubble Wallace?

1539
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 1: Personal car? Personal car? Right now? I got I got

1540
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:26,800
Speaker 1: my new twenty twenty one twe a four runner on

1541
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 1: the way, so right now I'm in a loaner four

1542
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 1: runner right now? What's your favorite car of all time.

1543
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:34,599
Speaker 1: But all the cars that Bubba Wallace is own, what's

1544
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:42,799
Speaker 1: his favorite? Mhm. My dream car has been an Audi

1545
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 1: R eight, Okay, and I may not have treated myself

1546
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:52,720
Speaker 1: to my dream car in the recent weeks. If if

1547
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 1: you could have any if you could have any car,

1548
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 1: old school new, if you could have any car, I

1549
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:04,599
Speaker 1: mean from a sixty eight Mustang or you know, whatever

1550
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 1: it may be, two fifty GT Ferrari, whatever it could be.

1551
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 1: If Bubba Walla could have you get one car what

1552
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:17,679
Speaker 1: you're taking nineteen nineteen sixties Porsche three fifty six eight

1553
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 1: little Speedster. Yeah, those things are going for about two

1554
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 1: hundred three hundred thousand, So I gotta win a couple

1555
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 1: of races for that. But that's that's my next car.

1556
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 1: Fifth you you you're a race car. I'm affuming most

1557
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 1: of you guys have lead feet and you have a

1558
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 1: problem with speeding. Does Bubba Wallas have a problem with

1559
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 1: speeding from time to time? If you take the old

1560
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:48,799
Speaker 1: Audi out, you know it's yeah for sure. But honestly,

1561
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:53,719
Speaker 1: I look at it from a standpoint of the safety

1562
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:56,680
Speaker 1: of the race cars is right way better than a

1563
01:20:56,680 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 1: street car. Oh, I can get out I can get

1564
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 1: out after hitting the wall at two hundred miles an hour.

1565
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 1: I ain't getting out if I hit the barrier or

1566
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 1: a tree at two hundred miles an hour in a

1567
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 1: street car. So I know my limits and I'm good. Obviously.

1568
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 1: In North Carolina, you drive brand Jordan. Now do you

1569
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 1: get an opportunity to go to get the very menial

1570
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:19,679
Speaker 1: Hornets game? And what do you think about LaMelo ball?

1571
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:23,479
Speaker 1: Duff bar So, I've been to a few in my

1572
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:27,280
Speaker 1: uh in my lifetime, I say, I'm not really I'm

1573
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 1: more of a collegiate football I'm Tennessee fan obviously, and

1574
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 1: uh and so hold on, t about You're born in Alabama,

1575
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 1: you up in North Carolina. How to it took you

1576
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 1: that long to ask that question? Yes, for sure? And

1577
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 1: all I know is is Tennessee or my mom's from

1578
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 1: obviously Knoxville, my dad's from Nashville. My family's big ut fans.

1579
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 1: So I was kind of just thrown into it. But

1580
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:55,160
Speaker 1: I am Alabama over Auburn, I will say that. But yeah,

1581
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:58,800
Speaker 1: I think you know, obviously, my Charlotte Hornet's days will

1582
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:02,839
Speaker 1: go up a little bit more. And then I'm watching

1583
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:06,720
Speaker 1: what LaMelo ball is doing, and it's good. I've seen

1584
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 1: some of his stats today actually for the rookie stats,

1585
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 1: so that's pretty cool to see. And I think there's

1586
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 1: a I think there was talks about a little crossover

1587
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 1: happening with with him and myself, so we'll see. What's

1588
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:24,760
Speaker 1: your favorite your favorite team for your favorite team, favorite team, sport? Professional? Yes,

1589
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:30,040
Speaker 1: I mean Charlotte doesn't have too good a reputation of

1590
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:34,479
Speaker 1: professionals because I already know you have. You have Tennessee football, yeah,

1591
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 1: Tennessee football fan, oh man, professional. I kind of just

1592
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 1: have certain people that I've I've got to meet and

1593
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 1: respect and grow fum. Right now, I will say, right now,

1594
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 1: I'm pulling for the Saints because of Alvin Kamara. And

1595
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 1: he was he was from Tennessee, badass running back, he

1596
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:56,080
Speaker 1: is going. He's originally from Georgia. He went to Alabama also,

1597
01:22:56,200 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 1: So I just thought we're all just messed up. Is

1598
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:03,160
Speaker 1: in that somewhere, We're all that stuff. So I'm I'm

1599
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:07,599
Speaker 1: pulling for them. Other than your boss, Michael Jordan, your

1600
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 1: favorite your favorite basketball player, man, I was always mj fan.

1601
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 1: Right now, that's tough. I'm a big lebron fan, so

1602
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 1: I know that's right up there with you. So yeah, yeah, yeah,

1603
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:30,600
Speaker 1: you know, I'm you know what I'm reading here that

1604
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 1: you're a big Drake. You know, Drake is your favorite artist.

1605
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 1: Anybody ever call you Drake? Do you? Guys? You've gotten

1606
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 1: out a lot, a lot. I'm like, man, I've gotten

1607
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 1: Drake and Russell Wilson. So it's just I guess it's

1608
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 1: the hair. I don't know. We got to So so

1609
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:49,639
Speaker 1: what before a race? What are you listening to? Are

1610
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 1: you listening something to get you up? Are you listening

1611
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:55,679
Speaker 1: to something to kill Sean Day, Jail Scott, something mellow.

1612
01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 1: I like some Jill Scott. I like some Anthony Hamilton's Smilitias, Yes,

1613
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 1: stuff like that. You know. But I am a metal head.

1614
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 1: I am the heavy metal, scream oh death metal, metal

1615
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 1: core that's me, and as crazy and loud and screaming

1616
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:14,599
Speaker 1: that is, that's what calms me down. If I'm listening

1617
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 1: to some to some Anthony Hamilton or some I am

1618
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 1: jam and I am pumped up. I am just in

1619
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:23,639
Speaker 1: a total different And as to where it's the metal stuff,

1620
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, let's mellow out here, let's enjoy this,

1621
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 1: let's let's get ready, but but thankf for the time, Bro,

1622
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Good luck this year we need

1623
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 1: about we need a least we need a least four

1624
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 1: wins we get. I'll tell you what win day TOLDA,

1625
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 1: and I don't care what you do after that. I said,

1626
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:44,720
Speaker 1: two years, two wins. This year we'll start there. We'll

1627
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:48,920
Speaker 1: start one day. TOLDA. We're good. We're good. That's right, yes, sir,

1628
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:51,439
Speaker 1: Thank you, brother, thank you, thanks for coming over with me, Bro.

1629
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 1: Good luck you, thank you brother. All my life, running

1630
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:59,719
Speaker 1: all my life, sack fights, hustle, back price one slice,

1631
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 1: one got the rolling dice that swap all my life.

1632
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 1: I've been running all my life, all my life, been

1633
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 1: running all my life, sacrifice, clustle, bay, the prices. One

1634
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:12,559
Speaker 1: of the slice, got the rolling dice that sway all

1635
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:16,559
Speaker 1: my life. I've been running all my life