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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Crime Round Up, the first.

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Speaker 2: Rodeo of twenty twenty five. Welcome Miss Nancy Gray Well.

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Speaker 3: Hello Cherl, Happy New Year. You know what. You may

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Speaker 3: have taken a vacation, but crime didn't, did it?

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Speaker 1: It did not.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you, My grandmama used to tell us

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Speaker 2: what you lord, here we go.

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Speaker 1: What you do New Year's Day is what you do

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Speaker 1: all year.

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Speaker 2: So let me tell you. I didn't do nothing but things.

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Speaker 2: I enjoyed. Walk and I traveled, We played in the snow,

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Speaker 2: We played with the dog. The kids were home. We

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Speaker 2: have just had the greatest time. But you, ma'am, have

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Speaker 2: been so busy. So whereas I took not just New

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Speaker 2: Year's Day, but I wanted to take the first twenty

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Speaker 2: four days to set my year off right.

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Speaker 1: You have just been all over the place. You have

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Speaker 1: been busy, busy, Yes I have. I have.

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. We had so much fun. We went

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Speaker 3: skating at Woolman Rink in Central Park. We went for

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Speaker 3: a carriage ride in Central Park. Lucy and I set

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Speaker 3: out on a trick and it ended up being an

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Speaker 3: hour walk each way, trying to find Cleopatra's needle in

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Speaker 3: Central Park, which I'll I before I had the twins,

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Speaker 3: I had gone jogging one day, all right, and I

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Speaker 3: live on the east side and staris I had all

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Speaker 3: the way across town to get to the park, and

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Speaker 3: then I was just jogging randomly in the park. I

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Speaker 3: really didn't know where I was. It's really big. And

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Speaker 3: I came upon this giant obelisk and I had never

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Speaker 3: seen anything like it before. So I quit running and

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Speaker 3: walked up to it. And it was covered in hieroglyphics.

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Speaker 3: It was something called Cleopatra's needle, and it was an

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Speaker 3: obelusk made thousands of years BC to raw the sun God. Okay,

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Speaker 3: that's its own story. At first, I thought I must

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Speaker 3: have gone in a bad place because the first thing

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Speaker 3: that didn't go down very well right there. But that said,

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Speaker 3: I found Cleipatra's needle. So all these years past I

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Speaker 3: could never find it again, Like, where is it? And

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Speaker 3: I walked through the park, jogged through the park, never

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Speaker 3: saw it again. Well, we set out on a trick

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Speaker 3: to find it. John, David and David of course were

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Speaker 3: sacked out somewhere watching people walk by. We found it

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Speaker 3: in the rain and it was amazing. And let's see

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Speaker 3: what else do we do? Oh my goodness. We stayed

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Speaker 3: like a whole almost a whole day, I would say

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Speaker 3: about four over four hours in the Metropolitan Museum of Art,

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Speaker 3: and it was so incredible. It's one of my favorite

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Speaker 3: places in the whole world. Let's see, oh, Aunt Sheryl.

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Speaker 3: We saw a Broadway plenty, we saw Hamilton. Everybody else

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Speaker 3: worth that. It was hilarious. Oh my goodness. If you

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Speaker 3: had seen the depiction of King George, he.

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Speaker 1: Steals the show, doesn't he totally?

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Speaker 3: Him and Jefferson hilarious. And I thought, oh, I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: fall asleep. It's gonna be three hours. It just flew by.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe it was over when it finished. We

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Speaker 3: had a great time and it was wonderful. We go

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Speaker 3: skating up there every year after after Christmas and it

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Speaker 3: was so great. But you know, justice didn't take a break.

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Speaker 3: Crime didn't take a break. Hey, I know we're talking

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Speaker 3: about Burger today, but are you familiar with the Alexander

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Speaker 3: real estate brothers. I'm calling them the New Didties.

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Speaker 1: Oh new Didties. That's a good one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the new Didties and that's sending YouTube today. These

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Speaker 3: three guys, they're born like Luigi Minioni. They are born

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Speaker 3: into incredible wealth, you know, and they leach off that

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Speaker 3: what their parents, their grandparents, their great grandparents have done,

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Speaker 3: and they have these wild parties. They're like Sean comes

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Speaker 3: Is so called white parties, so everybody had to wear

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Speaker 3: white and it ended up, according to federal prosecutors, as

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Speaker 3: a way for him to send sex troulls out to

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Speaker 3: get rape victims. Then give them I guess it'll be

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Speaker 3: GHB gemma hydroxypedy rate and they wake up with intense

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Speaker 3: pain in their vagina and okay, so they're raped on

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Speaker 3: video idiots video. I mean, why do people keep trophies?

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Speaker 3: But these guys, these brothers, there's a set of twins

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Speaker 3: and one other brother. Real estate locals. I'm talking about

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Speaker 3: big time Cheryl. One of them sold the single most

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Speaker 3: expensive condo. I think it's two hundred and thirty eight

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Speaker 3: million dollars. It must be the one. This cab driver's

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Speaker 3: showing it to Lucy and me. It's at the top

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Speaker 3: of one of the high rises like those pencil fan

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Speaker 3: high rises in New York. It's like the top three

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Speaker 3: that singal and many many others. They're rolling in millions

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Speaker 3: of dollars, Cheryl, millions. And apparently the rapes go all

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Speaker 3: the way back to when they were in high school.

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Speaker 3: High school. They had like a big van slash bus.

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Speaker 3: They'd park out in front of their house and bring

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Speaker 3: girls in there. And what were the parents doing? Did

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Speaker 3: they not go knock on the door of the thing

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Speaker 3: is say, what's going on in there? Right? Anyway, it's

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Speaker 3: the new Ditties, three of them.

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Speaker 2: The first time I heard just even what they did

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Speaker 2: access to empty homes. They have masters, They can get

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Speaker 3: Okay, Cheryl, you're right. And a lot of these model

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Speaker 3: homes that already have fourishings, beautiful fourishings in there, and

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Speaker 3: I ate bedrooms. I was thinking about that and I

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Speaker 3: found this out. You know there's that photo. You gotta watch.

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Speaker 3: You gotta watch Crafts Stories tonight. It'll hit YouTube after

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Speaker 3: six o'clock, at six o'clock. But you remember how the

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Speaker 3: evidence shows that Diddy, who's presumed in a s until

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Speaker 3: proven guilty. Of course. What's there are these lavish parties

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Speaker 3: and then there would be this ultra exclusive party after

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Speaker 3: and that is when the rapes and sodomies would occur. Here.

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Speaker 3: These lavish parties are so there's like an eerie echo

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Speaker 3: of Shawn Combs. There is one instance, it's this exclusive

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Speaker 3: you know, I don't know why they called that. It

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Speaker 3: was to go to this kind of party anyway, where

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Speaker 3: when people come in the door and there's a naked

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Speaker 3: that sink in for a moment. I'm gonna turn around

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Speaker 3: and get out of there so fast. But it reminds

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Speaker 3: me of Shawn Combs's parties where he would have naked

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Speaker 3: ladies like lying on tables and people will be eting

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Speaker 3: sushy off of them. Now, I don't know, they didn't

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Speaker 3: do anything like that in rural Bev County. So maybe

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Speaker 3: I'm just, you know, not with the times.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, you know, Nancy what talk about did it?

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Speaker 2: And now the you know, the real estate rapist and

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Speaker 2: they're all in MDC.

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Speaker 3: Having a good old time messed Bosson's attentions.

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Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna say.

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Speaker 2: They're all there now, so I would whatever kind of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're having Beanie Weenie tonight for dinner. Enjoy.

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Speaker 2: Before we get into coburger, I do want to say

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Speaker 2: one thing. Last weekend, I was sworn in as a

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Speaker 2: deputy coroner in Lancaster, South Carolina by Coroner Carladice and

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Speaker 2: her first ever mounted Patrols Search and Rescue unit.

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Speaker 3: Wow, okay, I want to hear about that.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be amazing.

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Speaker 2: There's never been a mounted unit with a coroner's office

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Speaker 2: ever in history. Let me tell you you, of all

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Speaker 2: people would love this because these animals are so extraordinary.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they are sweet, but they.

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Speaker 2: Are workhorses, like they know, you know, they can get

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Speaker 2: down this terrain that people cannot traverse by themselves. You know,

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Speaker 2: they are doing this training where they are going to

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Speaker 2: be comfortable with fire and water and crowds and noises.

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Speaker 2: They're just I mean, I can't even say enough about

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Speaker 2: these horses. But you know, Carla said, here's what we

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Speaker 2: need to do. We need to make sure we've got

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Speaker 2: a way to get you know, evidence out and make it,

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Speaker 2: letting me do a lot of the training and getting

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Speaker 2: not just the folks ready, but how do we utilize

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Speaker 2: these horses and getting evidence out. So it's going to

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Speaker 2: be a tremendous thing. It's an unbelievable team with just

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Speaker 2: extraordinary people. But I just knew you would love that

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Speaker 2: because you and animals. You know, it's a great way

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Speaker 3: You know what, just as long as she's not letting

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Speaker 3: you perform in the autops I feel really good about this.

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Speaker 1: I will not be honeyed, trust me.

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Speaker 2: But I also want to mention one thing because I

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Speaker 2: saw something on your social media and I know you

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Speaker 2: have been loving and caring for your mama for a

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Speaker 2: long long time. And when that sweet little lady was

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Speaker 2: playing that piano in her room and knocking out that

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Speaker 2: hymn with no sheet music, Nancy, that touched me because

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Speaker 2: I know she's been, you know, not feeling great lately,

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Speaker 2: to tell you that set.

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Speaker 1: My New Year off in the right way.

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Speaker 3: You know, I really appreciate you saying that. She ended

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Speaker 3: up in the hospital and it was hard. It was

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Speaker 3: really hard. It reminded me of when she had COVID,

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Speaker 3: which she gave to me, by the way, because that

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Speaker 3: got her in the hospital, jumped in the car, and

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Speaker 3: Uh and they hadn't actually walked into school yet. So wait,

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Speaker 3: how did that work? I got them out of school.

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Speaker 3: I can't remember all the details, and got them home

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Speaker 3: which I said it wouldn't fit, but guess what it does.

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Speaker 3: It's like right beside her bed, like you have a

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Speaker 3: bedside table. There's a baby grand ring there. Anyways, this

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Speaker 3: is what she had. She had a distant nasty cousin

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Speaker 3: was just really really bad chest infection. For her. She

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Speaker 3: went in the hospital for four nights, five days. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's hell getting out of the hospital. They never want

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about Coburger because now they're talking

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Speaker 1: And some people are saying yes, some people are saying no. Way.

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Speaker 1: You know, But you and I, you know, from the

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Speaker 2: I guess friendship slash word relationship, we've always thought, in

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Speaker 1: Well, the way I look at Coburger, even what.

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Speaker 2: We know in Idaho allegedly you know he was stalking

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Speaker 1: He was trespassing.

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Speaker 2: I think he burglarized either that home or other homes

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Speaker 2: I think he had been in that home before.

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Speaker 3: Can I tell you what I've learned about the prior

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Speaker 4: QUASERI for murders of the University Idaho students. It was

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Speaker 3: The woman sleeping in the basement was like, I can't

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Speaker 3: King Road. You know where Dylan Mortenson was downstairs and

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Speaker 3: he let her live. He didn't come in that way.

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Speaker 3: He chose another way to come in. It was in

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Speaker 3: the middle of the night, the early morning hours. The

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Speaker 3: here to help you. Structures were only about ten minutes apart.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what's the likelihood you have a white male

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Speaker 3: it's a fingerprint crime. Here's the problem for the state.

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Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to be able to definitively

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Speaker 3: will not come into evidence as a similar transaction. Although

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Speaker 3: I believe it was Coburger until you show me you

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Speaker 2: And my question is are they doing anything with his

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Speaker 1: Did it pain? There?

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Speaker 2: Are there any ring cameras that will show his car again?

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Speaker 2: Are they doing any backtrack it in that regard? Because

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Speaker 2: I would be doing that. Can I put him in

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Speaker 2: got some traffic tickets and one of them was like

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Speaker 2: you and I talked about that and I said to me,

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Speaker 2: engage it. I believe what he was doing then after

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Speaker 2: to hit, like having that window open, but the cobwebs

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Speaker 2: doing that to plan ahead. I know that wind is open,

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Speaker 2: so whenever I want to go back, if they haven't

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Speaker 2: seen it, it's unlocked.

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Speaker 1: I can gain entry anytime.

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Speaker 3: You mean doing ricon.

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Speaker 1: Of course they all do.

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Speaker 2: And that's why I'm saying when people say, well he

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Speaker 2: hadn't committed any crimes before the murders, Yes he has.

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Speaker 2: The stalking, the traffic tickets, the trespassing, the burglary. He's

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Speaker 2: been committing crimes all along.

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Speaker 1: We didn't know.

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Speaker 2: And so a lot of these things, even when you're

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Speaker 1: So has Coburger. And I saved this a lot.

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Speaker 2: Just to remind people, Coburger has not had one teacher,

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Speaker 2: one coach, one classmate, one coworker, nobody has come forward

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Speaker 2: in his defense and.

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Speaker 1: Said there's no way he could have done it.

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Speaker 3: No, they all say, yeah, he was creepy. I think

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Speaker 3: he did it.

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Speaker 1: That's right now.

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Speaker 3: Is that admisserable an evidence? No? But it means something

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Speaker 3: to me, after having investigated and tried and covered I

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Speaker 3: don't even know how many cases for Pete's sake, it

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Speaker 3: means something. It means something. Can I get into evidence, No,

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Speaker 3: and I wouldn't try because that care ruin my case

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Speaker 3: in chief and could get me reversal.

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Speaker 1: But it does mean something, one hundred percent something and

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Speaker 1: going to court.

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Speaker 2: But for the detectives, that lets them know, hey, probably

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Speaker 2: on the right track here with this guy. Because nobody

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Speaker 2: able to put up any character witnesses, just like we.

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Speaker 1: Saw in Delphi.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you've got this guy on trial

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Speaker 2: for committing murder of these two girls, and nobody, not

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Speaker 2: a preacher, not a neighbor, not even his wife would

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Speaker 2: testify on his behalf of who.

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Speaker 1: He really is. Well, that tells you a lot to me.

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Speaker 3: And again, none of that's dimissediul into evidence. And can

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Speaker 3: I just speak to you very quickly about this prior

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Speaker 3: let's just call it the prior home invasion. Even if

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Speaker 3: we are convinced it's co Burger, even if a judge

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Speaker 3: should come into evidence. I'll tell you why. Because an

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Speaker 3: to show motive, course of conduct, scheme, frame of mind

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Speaker 3: you must be able to prove identity. You can't bring

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Speaker 5: There has to be a conviction, an actual fingerprint, actual

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Speaker 3: So if you let this similar transaction prior home invasion

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Speaker 3: you and I think it's him come into evidence, you

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Speaker 3: in chief.

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Speaker 1: Screw it. Hell No, I mean yes, do I think

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Speaker 1: it's him?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think it's him until they tell me we

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Speaker 3: know who it is it's some other dude, until they

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Speaker 3: tell me that in my mind it's him. But it's

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Speaker 3: not worth screwing up, screwing up a conviction on your

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Speaker 3: case in chief. No way, amen, correct, But does it

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Speaker 3: just burn you up knowing that he had all this time?

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Speaker 3: And it also shows me another window into his mind

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Speaker 3: in that he, if this is him, had been scouting

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Speaker 3: just the similarities are overwhelming.

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Speaker 2: Yes, a knife in his hand, wearing gloves, wearing the mask,

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Speaker 2: the multi tiered home, all of it.

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Speaker 3: And again I can't emphasize how important it is that

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Speaker 3: he remained silent throughout, because you know, some perms are

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Speaker 3: say all kind of scary stuff to them. I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: kill you, I'm gonna rape him, I'm gonna tie you up. Uh,

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Speaker 3: they have any emo to it here? This same entering

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Speaker 3: through I think you came in through a door, just

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Speaker 2: And with the knife already in his hand, it's clear

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Speaker 2: he wasn't there for the TV.

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Speaker 3: What will happen with it? Probably nothing less it can

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Speaker 3: definitively be proven that that was him. But we know,

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Speaker 3: and that would always just bring me up that I

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Speaker 3: that the jury could never know. And I just want

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Speaker 3: so much for them to know the whole truth. But

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Speaker 3: can't risk your case in chief. Can not do it,

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Speaker 3: no matter how tempting it may be.

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Speaker 5: And I mean, you might be able to convince a

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Speaker 3: You're shitting yourself in the foot. It's a long game.

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Speaker 3: The long game is a true eth. This speaks the

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Speaker 2: It's not worth it, and you're right, it's the long game.

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Speaker 2: You've got to be patient and sometimes even though it

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Speaker 2: you understand, you can't.

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Speaker 1: Because here's the deal. We know he went to that

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Speaker 2: That's significant, and nobody else has been arrested for a

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Speaker 2: similar crime. And since he has been in jail, there

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Speaker 3: No, there has not. Oh man, those poor women, I mean,

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Speaker 3: they're thinking how close they came to getting murdered. Cheryl.

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Speaker 3: You know, this reminds me of the red rapist, The

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Speaker 3: red rapist I tried, Oh gosh, I remember what year

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Speaker 3: it was. He started striking in a heat wave in Atlanta,

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Speaker 3: that's a whole other can of worms. I need to

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Speaker 3: But there have been other women he broke in on

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Speaker 3: and did not affect the rape for whatever reason. She

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Speaker 3: the rest of my life thinking I came that close.

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Speaker 3: And then how the rape victims live the rest of

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Speaker 3: their life. Their lives messed up just in so many

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Speaker 3: ways I don't want to go into. But what about

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Speaker 3: these women to think Brian Coburger was in your bedroom,

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Speaker 2: You know that one kick and he running away tells

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Speaker 2: don't realize these rapists are punks. That's the reason they

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Speaker 2: pray on who they pray on, that's the reason they

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Speaker 1: It gets you when you're.

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Speaker 2: In a vulnerable position, whether you're in the child or

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Speaker 2: to scream and he runs, or you kick him in

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Speaker 2: the stomach and he runs, this is what I see

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Speaker 2: when I see Coburger. He you know, he has this

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Speaker 2: whole thing. They don't want to confront men. They don't

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Speaker 2: want to fight men. Prince tell kennon Ak whipping exactly exactly.

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Speaker 3: I have to pick on someone that is weaker or

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Speaker 3: I'm let me ask you a question about working. Okay,

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Speaker 3: your mom worked, right. Have you read all those studies

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Speaker 3: your children as a family, the less likely they are

435
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 3: to do drugs and alcohol. We had supper together every

436
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 3: night growing up, every night. Well, we didn't have any money.

437
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 3: We couldn't go out, so applies very like twenty five

438
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 3: minutes away from the closest McDonald's. For Pete says, you

439
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 3: know anyway, that said, there's all these studies saying that.

440
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 3: So I feel like a failure if I don't cook

441
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 3: dinner every night.

442
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: I get that. But I'll tell you here's the thing.

443
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 2: You know, there were seven of us, you know, growing up,

444
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 2: and I don't know how my mama got home from

445
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 2: work and made dinner for seven people every night. And

446
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 2: you know I don't cook a big old meal every

447
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 2: single night. But I will tell you the four of us.

448
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 2: You know, Charlene is right next door, My sister lives

449
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 2: next door. You know, we try to get together even

450
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: as a big group, as often as we can. And

451
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 2: I know one thing I have not been a perfect

452
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 2: parent by any stretch of imagination. But one thing I

453
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 2: know without a doubt that I have done right is

454
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 2: letting Huck and Caroline be exposed to my sisters at

455
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 2: the level that they have. They have stayed with them,

456
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 2: they have you know, been educated by them, and they've

457
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,959
Speaker 2: had access to them in ways that have shown them

458
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 2: Because my sisters.

459
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: Are better people than me.

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Speaker 3: We all agree your sisters are better people than you,

461
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 3: but they are. I know what you're doing. You're trying

462
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 3: to get focused off the fact that you didn't cook.

463
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 3: Separate kind of roping your sisters into your explanation.

464
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 2: Listen, I'll just go ahead and tell y'all Walt is

465
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: a better cook.

466
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: Walt can throw down in the kitchen. Let me tell y'all.

467
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 3: Something like what give me an example.

468
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: He can make anything you want. He made trips Campy

469
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 2: not long ago.

470
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 3: I am so jealous. I want that recipe.

471
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 2: Anything you want he can make it. He can make barbecue.

472
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: He smokes chicken for twenty four hours before he serves it.

473
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 2: I mean, it's one of those just gifts. Like my

474
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,239
Speaker 2: sisters leave and tell me you don't even know what

475
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 2: it's like to be married. He'll tell me that because

476
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 2: I don't have to get in the kitchen and rattle

477
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 2: pots of bands.

478
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: Because Walt loves to do it. He's fabulous at it.

479
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 2: He cooked so well sometimes when he throws stuff on

480
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 2: a grill.

481
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: When Sheila lived in the same neighborhood.

482
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 2: As us, she could smell it and she'd say, I'm

483
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 2: putting on some rice.

484
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: I'm coming over. I won't mind coming over.

485
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, no, wait a minute, guess what I made

486
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 3: over the holiday. Of course, it goes without saying that.

487
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 3: On New Year's Day we had collared greens, black eyed peas,

488
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 3: and a fried chicken. I got some crawfish from Louisiana.

489
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 3: Do not get it from anywhere else, ryl. Don't just

490
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 3: order it. And then you get some fish from China

491
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 3: or something like that. What is that and where what? No?

492
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 3: Uh huh. I got it from this place. I think

493
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 3: it was called Acadia. And I may crawfish at FA

494
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 3: the old fashioned way. I have to say, I'm no

495
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 3: great Cajun cook by any stretch. It was so good,

496
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 3: but now they want me to make it all the time.

497
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 3: And it took a lot. It took a lot of effort,

498
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 3: slicing the onions into tiny pieces, slicing the celery into

499
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 3: tiny pieces, getting all that different kind of spices. And

500
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 3: I found something cold better than bullyon lobster base. Oh

501
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 3: it was so good. I'm telling you, we pretty big time.

502
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 3: Oh and we do the same thing. What you do

503
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 3: New Year's Day, you do the rest of the year.

504
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 3: And you have to eat poor, so you'll eat rich

505
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 3: the rest of the year. Now here's our big New

506
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 3: Year's Eve night. Get ready. When the ball drops, we

507
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 3: run right at eleven fifty five. We run out on

508
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 3: the front porch and we banged pots and pans really

509
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 3: loudly to scare away the owning year, and we throw

510
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 3: out penies and quarters and dimes to welcome babing in

511
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 3: year perfection. That's the big time at our And then

512
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 3: this year we spiced it up with some fireworks because

513
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 3: at age seventeen, I thought they were able to light

514
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 3: a sparklerd Finally that's what they were supposed to do.

515
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, there's these ball rockets

516
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 3: going off with the front yard. And I looked at

517
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 3: David and I'm like, David Lynch, you're behind this.

518
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: That is awesome.

519
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 3: Okay, Now what are we gonna do about coburger?

520
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 2: Sheryls Here's what I think we're gonna do. I think

521
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 2: we're gonna stay on it. I know that they're headed

522
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 2: up there to you know, have the day.

523
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, I always choked him my tie. Did

524
00:30:54,560 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 3: you hear the defense attorney Ann Taylor? She just argue

525
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 3: to the judge that the death penalty is inhumane because

526
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 3: I know who has to figured it out which mode

527
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 3: of execution they're going to use, and the judge. So

528
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 3: wait a minute, we have lethal injection, and if that

529
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 3: is not chosen, there's a firing squad. And so I'm like,

530
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 3: wait a minute. She actually argued that him waiting on

531
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 3: death row. Uh, guess who's here?

532
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: Shut up?

533
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 3: David Cheryl's husband smoked chicken for twenty hours before he

534
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 3: serves it. Shame, shame, shame. His green egg is his

535
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 3: pride and joy. Okay, wait a minute, she argued. She

536
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 3: argued that him having to wait on death row to

537
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 3: find out how he was going to be executed is

538
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 3: inhumane treatment, and therefore the death penalty must be off

539
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 3: the table. I'm like, hey, why don't you just say, okay,

540
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 3: we'll go ahead, executehim right now, no waiting necessary. Would

541
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 3: that make her happy?

542
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: Would that make her happy?

543
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 2: My favorite is when Coburger said his DNA was private.

544
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 3: You know, the day before yesterday he would not come

545
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 3: out of his cell. He's stayed in his cell and salt.

546
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 3: But then the next day he graced us with his oh,

547
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 3: his appearance. I just want to tell you one more

548
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 3: thing about Kyburger. Did you know there's something called Brian Nation.

549
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 3: Brian Nation. They're all the supporters of Brian Kyburger. Brian Nation. Okay,

550
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 3: I'll leave you with that thought.

551
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,959
Speaker 1: Well, that's a good way to end that. Hey, just

552
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: one more thing.

553
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 3: I want to find out his shrimps campy recipe. Oh yeah,

554
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 3: I also want to find out why he has to

555
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 3: smoke a single chicken for twenty hours.

556
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: I will give it to you, all of it. You

557
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 2: will love it. And let me just leave you with

558
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 2: one other trick. About thirty years ago, as a birthday present,

559
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 2: I gave him cooking lessons in New Orleans.

560
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: He loved it.

561
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 2: That cooking school was the most fabulous thing you've ever seen. Really,

562
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 2: And what he had to do as a final exam,

563
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 2: he had to throw a dinner party.

564
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: People are still talking about that dinner party.

565
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 2: And when I say people, I mean my brother in

566
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 2: laws and my sisters.

567
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 3: I would love to hear all about that.

568
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: Wow, I'm telling you, I'm will send it to you

569
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: because it's the best gift I ever gave him.

570
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 3: The best gift I ever gave Davy was that green egg.

571
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: Yet That's what I'm saying, girl, we got it panned out.

572
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: People need to listen to us.

573
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 3: Best thing ever and I guess the best thing he's

574
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 3: ever given me was a crock pot. I know it

575
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 3: doesn't sound romantic, now I can get Sometimes I get

576
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 3: three crock pots going at once. The whole house meeks

577
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 3: so good.

578
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 2: Absolutely okay, bye bye