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Speaker 1: Welcome back All the Smoke. Indianapolis All Star twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four Jack.
Speaker 2: It has been a solid day. We gotta, we gotta.
Speaker 2: This is a.
Speaker 3: I would say, a trendsetter episode. Yeah, what else can
Speaker 3: me say about it?
Speaker 1: I mean he's controlling the game right, kicking the door
Speaker 1: open for us, you know what I'm saying in the
Speaker 1: snake skin when it was.
Speaker 2: Locked, he kicked that motherfucker over.
Speaker 4: Definitely in snake skins. I don't think about all that stuff,
Speaker 4: but yeah, definitely. And these snakes died peacefully in their sleep. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you go, just so they weren't harm They were not harmed.
Speaker 2: We love to hear that. Man. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Pat McAfee. Yeah, excited about this man. It's our guy, Man,
Speaker 2: it's our guy. Will tell us how you and Pat
Speaker 2: initially met.
Speaker 3: So me and Pat initially met when I played it
Speaker 3: the Pacers, And the first time we met was that
Speaker 3: I don't know. It was a holiday party and men
Speaker 3: Jammin was coming because Peyton invited us. As soon as
Speaker 3: I walked in, he sent you to come greet us
Speaker 3: and bring us to the back.
Speaker 2: Soon as I got there, I'm like, hold up. Me
Speaker 2: and this guy, we just hit it off. Next thing,
Speaker 2: you know, you know, we was having drinks.
Speaker 3: We had a good time and ever since then, you know,
Speaker 3: we had the mutual respect for each other and uh,
Speaker 3: this has been a good relationship since.
Speaker 4: Stack, watching you through the years, learning about you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a legend, dude. And you see where I started.
Speaker 4: Yeah, hey, hey, listen, and you've seen where I started.
Speaker 4: So I mean here in Indianapolis those first couple of
Speaker 4: years I got I don't want to say baptized, but
Speaker 4: like I got introduced to the city by the coolest
Speaker 4: people on earth, you know, like Stack, Peyton, Joseph and Died,
Speaker 4: Clint Sessions. Then you go back to like Paul George
Speaker 4: was in the Roy Hibbert was in that, like there
Speaker 4: was Indianapolis was a great time, a great place, and uh,
Speaker 4: I was lucky to be here and you were are
Speaker 4: always kind of me, which is awesome. I appreciate.
Speaker 1: Good dude, Good dude. First of all, before we get out,
Speaker 1: I mean, we want to just congratulate you. I think
Speaker 1: your your evolution in the path you've taken, and I think,
Speaker 1: like Jack said, the doors you've kicked down and really
Speaker 1: kind of just unapologetically you. You are arguably, if not be,
Speaker 1: one of the biggest voices in sports media and it's
Speaker 1: almost this new sports media from a standpoint of a former.
Speaker 5: Player doing it. It's a real new wave.
Speaker 1: But first of all, congratulations on that, But talk to
Speaker 1: us about that journey, because I'm sure it wasn't as
Speaker 1: easy as people think.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Now we're seeing you on TV in your tank tops
Speaker 1: on ESPN and you get to cuss and you get.
Speaker 5: To do other shit. I'm like, yo, bros, really doing
Speaker 5: it his way.
Speaker 4: I have to negotiate all that in there. So there's
Speaker 4: actually there was in negotiation the words that I'd be
Speaker 4: allowed to say on ESPN. Oh really yeah, so there was,
Speaker 4: like in the contract. So I negotiate myself. So I'm
Speaker 4: my own agent too, So like I'm a hard person
Speaker 4: to represent, is what I've learned through the agent trial
Speaker 4: and the air game. So I just decided I wanted
Speaker 4: to start representing myself like five six years ago, and
Speaker 4: I want to be in the rooms. You know, I
Speaker 4: want to hear what's being said. I want to know
Speaker 4: why things are being said, and I want to know
Speaker 4: why things have been the way they are seemingly, you know,
Speaker 4: as a fan of sport, as a fan of sports media.
Speaker 4: So like going in there now and within the last
Speaker 4: year versus like five years ago, vastly different points of leverage,
Speaker 4: I would say, And to be honest, I appreciate you
Speaker 4: guys saying that because I've been watching you guys. I
Speaker 4: mean just historic. I mean, Matt, I know it probably
Speaker 4: gets brought up every single day, but like in the
Speaker 4: Gift is one of the greatest of all time, you
Speaker 4: and Kobe, that moment is like one of the most
Speaker 4: legendary moments in the history of sport. And then to
Speaker 4: watch you and Kobe talk about it on this podcast,
Speaker 4: that's like something you can't get anywhere else. So like,
Speaker 4: I'm inspired by you guys. I'm inspired by all athletes
Speaker 4: that kind of choose to tell their own story and
Speaker 4: eliminate the middleman who has always been able to pick
Speaker 4: and choose which stories matter, which stories don't matter, which
Speaker 4: voices matter, which voices don't matter. Like I'm a punter,
Speaker 4: bro okay, So like you don't have to know football
Speaker 4: that well to know that my position ain't worth a fuck.
Speaker 4: Like if we are, you know, like if we're down,
Speaker 4: if we're down twenty eight points in the second half,
Speaker 4: I'm closer to front row than a motherfucking and crowd,
Speaker 4: but we have the same exact impact on the game,
Speaker 4: you know, So like I understand that I've always been
Speaker 4: very self aware about that, but like me having the
Speaker 4: opportunity to talk to people that actually know the answers
Speaker 4: and play and oh the I have so much admiration
Speaker 4: for everybody that's doing their own things. So like, I
Speaker 4: didn't know that we're going to be able to do this.
Speaker 4: And the group of dudes I have around me are dogs.
Speaker 4: They all dogs. We all have the same mindset. We
Speaker 4: have great work ethics, you know. I think that's something
Speaker 4: like professional athletes, and my guys aren't professional athletes, but
Speaker 4: it's something that we take for granted, especially whenever you
Speaker 4: kind of mingle into the rest of the world world like,
Speaker 4: work ethic is something that not everybody has. I am
Speaker 4: very lucky that my entire team dogs. All of them
Speaker 4: work their asses off. So we've all had the same mission,
Speaker 4: we've all had the same mindset, we've all had the
Speaker 4: same goals, and we just try to get on microphones
Speaker 4: and make people's lives a little bit better, happier and
Speaker 4: do some sports talk. And yeah, it's the dumbest shit
Speaker 4: of all time that now We're on ESPN, We're also
Speaker 4: on YouTube. We got fans in like New Zealand every
Speaker 4: single day that watch our shit. Like it's just very
Speaker 4: very lucky, very very dumb, And to say it was
Speaker 4: planned would be a lie. Like and we had no
Speaker 4: idea that this was going to happen.
Speaker 1: I mean, your rise to the top, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: sure you And we talked to Dan LeBatard about this
Speaker 1: about athletes kind of coming into space and not necessarily
Speaker 1: cutting the line.
Speaker 4: But he's talks some shit on me, has he? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh get him. That's our guy. But we love to
Speaker 2: get Yeah.
Speaker 4: When I saw you signed with him, I was certainly
Speaker 4: asking some questions. This guy over here, I think and
Speaker 4: Ryan is his name is?
Speaker 2: Ryan? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought you guys could have made it the
Speaker 4: loan like I thought you guys ourselves.
Speaker 2: We partner with them to build out the fast Channel.
Speaker 4: Love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's the idea.
Speaker 4: And I like Dan. I got respect for Dan. I
Speaker 4: watched the deal that him and Skipper did with DraftKings
Speaker 4: and that greatly affected my deal with Fanduels. So I
Speaker 4: got a lot of respect. But a lot of these
Speaker 4: older sports media folks aren't the biggest fan of me.
Speaker 4: Uh and they've certainly made that known.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we've had some we've had you know why, right,
Speaker 3: because a lot of them wanted to do what you're
Speaker 3: doing now on ESPN.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they weren't allowed to, is what it wasn't allowed to.
Speaker 4: You think I was allowed to though, Like, that's the
Speaker 4: whole part of it.
Speaker 3: You had the you had I'm gonna say, bolls, you
Speaker 3: have the confidence in yourself to be able to get
Speaker 3: it done without worry about what other people gonna say.
Speaker 3: I think it didn't happen for them because they came
Speaker 3: in more like, well, I want to do this. You
Speaker 3: you said, I'm doing this, insaid I want to do this.
Speaker 3: That's that's a big difference.
Speaker 4: Hey, I'm a fucking asshole of those suits too, Like
Speaker 4: they do not like me, But you got to be
Speaker 4: It is because when I retired, I had, like I mean, stack,
Speaker 4: you knew this because you knew I existed that not
Speaker 4: a lot of people outside of Indiana did. When I retired,
Speaker 4: I had like like seven hundred and fifty thousand followers.
Speaker 4: I had done like twenty seven stand up comedy shows
Speaker 4: and theaters with like six thousand seats and I going
Speaker 4: on like a tour, had a podcast, had a merch store,
Speaker 4: had a chance to do Bob and Tom, which is
Speaker 4: here in Indianapolis. So like I got a chance to
Speaker 4: kind of understand the broadcasting waves. ESPN said we got
Speaker 4: nothing for you Fox, and we got nothing for you.
Speaker 4: CBS and we got nothing for you. We don't want
Speaker 4: to hear a punter who's been arrested that swears who's
Speaker 4: an Internet guy? That on our kind of guy. That's
Speaker 4: what these suits, though, did not say that right, So
Speaker 4: like had to go through the barstool route. But we
Speaker 4: kept our own company in Indiana. Learned a lot about
Speaker 4: the Internet through them. That was like a university of
Speaker 4: how digital works. So then as we as I kind
Speaker 4: of realized in our boys, we kind of realized, like
Speaker 4: we can do this ourselves. We don't need them. And
Speaker 4: then now we're coming back to the point where I'm
Speaker 4: negotiating with like Amazon, I'm negotiating with NBC, I'm negotiating
Speaker 4: with Apple, I'm negotiating with ESPN. It's like all those
Speaker 4: same middle management people five years ago, six years ago
Speaker 4: saying we got nothing for you, and it's like I
Speaker 4: remember that, like you know, and I'm never gonna forget that. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So it's it's I have the I think I have
Speaker 4: the right level of pettiness. Uh, there's some unintelligent ship
Speaker 4: I've said people that I shouldn't in these negotiations. But
Speaker 4: I also got the crew around me where I'm like,
Speaker 4: I have a safety none, like if a deal falls through,
Speaker 4: Like people are thinking we're gonna get kicked off ESPN
Speaker 4: this year already, Like people are already assuming that it's not
Speaker 4: gonna work, it's not gonna last, because you know, Aaron
Speaker 4: started a war with Jimmy Kimmel on our show, Jimmy Kimmel. Obviously,
Speaker 4: ABC let on the COVID stuff calling out Fauci on
Speaker 4: our show. Like there was a lot, It got real
Speaker 4: the block up, real hot for about three weeks.
Speaker 1: But how do you navigate Obviously Aaron is a good
Speaker 1: friend of yours, and but ESPN is you know who
Speaker 1: you're working with now, So how do you navigate that?
Speaker 1: What's that conversation like between you and Aaron?
Speaker 4: So so ESPN is licensing my show, so it's still
Speaker 4: like yeah, so like I talked to Shannon Sharp about
Speaker 4: this radio row because club Shayshay with Kat obviously fifty
Speaker 4: eight and a half million viewers, and there's a lot
Speaker 4: of shit set on there about a lot of people,
Speaker 4: And I thought, maybe I don't get a much bigger
Speaker 4: scale than us obviously with the Aaron stuffy and there
Speaker 4: we're on Good Morning America, the Today Show and all
Speaker 4: that type of stuff. I said, do you ever cause, like,
Speaker 4: I don't the stuff Aaron's talking about he's very passionate about,
Speaker 4: Like Aaron firmly believes that, and there's a lot of
Speaker 4: people in the world that believe that, whether people hate
Speaker 4: that or not, that is a fact of life. So
Speaker 4: like I don't know that world though, Like I'm not
Speaker 4: educated in that world. And there was a lot of
Speaker 4: times where I'm like, do I deserve to have this
Speaker 4: platform if I don't know everything about everything so that
Speaker 4: this shit can't happen, you know, and people don't end
Speaker 4: up hating us. So I asked Shannon about that. I'm like, Shannon,
Speaker 4: do you feel like whenever something's being said that you
Speaker 4: don't know if it's right or not? Like how much
Speaker 4: blame are you put on this? Because there was nights
Speaker 4: I couldn't sleep, Like I'm like, maybe I am fucking
Speaker 4: this up completely and then I got back to it.
Speaker 4: It's like we're having conversations with people, like you can
Speaker 4: disagree with them completely, but at least you learn and
Speaker 4: know where Aaron's at, Like this is a Mount Rushmore
Speaker 4: quarterback in the history of the NFL. In real time,
Speaker 4: you're learning about him completely. I feel like that's a
Speaker 4: form of journalism as well, even though people won't really
Speaker 4: talk about it. Whenever there's documentaries made about Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 4: later in life, which will happen, they're gonna use so
Speaker 4: much of our show. Is that not journalism. So it's like,
Speaker 4: although there are wars that we get into and Aaron
Speaker 4: will defend himself, he's a friend of ours. Aaron does
Speaker 4: his thing, there's I mean, I'm vaccinated, And in the
Speaker 4: middle of the I was getting swore at in like
Speaker 4: thirty different languages because Aaron was saying he wasn't vaccinated
Speaker 4: and I was the worst human on earth. And it's like,
Speaker 4: I think we're just a different style of programming, Like
Speaker 4: we're a conversationalist. We have no idea where we're headed.
Speaker 4: We don't have scheduled questions. I don't prep anybody when
Speaker 4: they're coming on. I don't have a list of questions.
Speaker 4: I'm just having a conversation with people, and boy, it
Speaker 4: has certainly got us into some ship, but it has
Speaker 4: also got us some magic, you know that, not a
Speaker 4: lot of other pet So it's a weird dynamic.
Speaker 1: How do you balance I mean, obviously it's athletes. We
Speaker 1: have to have tough skin growing up, coming in. But
Speaker 1: now we're in this new generation where everyone has a voice,
Speaker 1: whether it deserve or not. Be a social media how
Speaker 1: do you balance the negativity? Because although we can say hey,
Speaker 1: it doesn't affect us, we hear all of it, all
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 2: So how do you how do you balance that?
Speaker 1: And like you said, you've had sleepless nights, how do
Speaker 1: you flush that shit and able to still focus?
Speaker 4: Honestly, this show is called All the Smoke?
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you have a crack a course course like
Speaker 1: Blue Golden Colorado?
Speaker 4: I mean, but I smoke a lot of weed me too. Yeah.
Speaker 3: That that's why I say pumped from every time Weed
Speaker 3: is saying on All the Smoke, we.
Speaker 2: Need to clap. Okay, make that a thing. Weed is
Speaker 2: brought out wen clap.
Speaker 4: A celebratory But no, like I do, like I think
Speaker 4: that's a massive piece of it for me. Like when
Speaker 4: I was a junior in college, shouts the course shots.
Speaker 4: Of course, Hey, let's get the boys another course deal.
Speaker 4: By the way, let's let's get the next one a
Speaker 4: big yeah.
Speaker 3: When the model on the under can turns blue, that's
Speaker 3: where you know it's cold and it's time.
Speaker 2: To unwind.
Speaker 4: And maybe smoke some weed.
Speaker 2: And smoke some weed.
Speaker 4: Now I was a junior in college. I missed two
Speaker 4: kicks in the first quarter of a game. We end
Speaker 4: up losing that game by four points. It could have
Speaker 4: sent you to the national championship. So I got twenty
Speaker 4: seven death threats. Those are old school death threats too.
Speaker 4: That was before social media.
Speaker 2: But what are chippers? Did you miss chippers?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, buddy, oh yeah. Should have went in first quarter,
Speaker 4: their first quarter, which never gets talked about, had to
Speaker 4: lead a halftime, never gets talked about. Certainly, my fault
Speaker 4: at the end of certainly, Certainly my friend, certainly shit
Speaker 4: that could have happened. Certainly, But I mean I should
Speaker 4: have made those kicks, and it would have been a
Speaker 4: different life for all of us. But like I got
Speaker 4: like twenty seven old school death threats. Like people writing letters,
Speaker 4: putting them in a bottle, throwing them at my house
Speaker 4: in the middle of the night in Morgantown, West Virginia.
Speaker 4: So like, I went through something where I really wondered
Speaker 4: if like I should be around anyway likede disappearing. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know if I would ever like disappear. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Like I hopped in my jeep and I just like
Speaker 4: I'm fucking gone. I'm literally out of here. I'm not
Speaker 4: going back to school, like I'm done with this. And
Speaker 4: it's like my teammates obviously rallied around me, my friends
Speaker 4: rallied around me. They brought me back. But I think
Speaker 4: like that calloused me a little bit that moment, because
Speaker 4: whenever you like think about like life, after thinking about disappearing,
Speaker 4: like it's a whole new mindset. And then w I
Speaker 4: get arrested my second year here in Indianapolis. Coms have
Speaker 4: their story for why I got arrested. I have mine.
Speaker 4: I was walking home. They said I swam in a canal.
Speaker 2: Nonetheless, it happened potato a couple of.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, maybe some weed, next thing, next thing, you know,
Speaker 6: you allegedly, so.
Speaker 4: Then you know, when I get arrested, I get killed again.
Speaker 4: So it's like, I feel like I'm pretty calloused. Like
Speaker 4: I do feel like I'm calloused. But man, when you
Speaker 4: get a lot of people telling you that you're the
Speaker 4: worst person on earth and you're ruining things, it's hard.
Speaker 4: It's hard not to and uh yeah, so the mute
Speaker 4: buttons real, I'll mute anybody. I will block some motherfuckers too,
Speaker 4: like I am not.
Speaker 2: You talk to them first, or just block them off the.
Speaker 4: Rip if you was like they're really like got some
Speaker 4: real ill intent, you know, like, hey, what you just
Speaker 4: said there was it bothered me. You were trying to
Speaker 4: really you were trying to kill me. I'm blocking them.
Speaker 4: If it's like a good ship talk, I will and
Speaker 4: then I'll see you later. But it is crazy having
Speaker 4: to hear all this. I couldn't even imagine how teenagers
Speaker 4: are now different. I don't have a daughter and like,
Speaker 4: thinking of her nine months.
Speaker 5: Oh baby girl, Okay, congratulations.
Speaker 4: Wife, you're kicking a lot of ass right now. Didn't
Speaker 4: think I was ever going to have a kid. I
Speaker 4: was all good, she would be a great mom. So
Speaker 4: it made it happen, and boy, I love it. But
Speaker 4: I couldn't even imagine hearing all the terrible things, Like
Speaker 4: if I was a teenager, I wouldn't have been mentally
Speaker 4: tough enough for you.
Speaker 2: So it's like it's a crazy time. Even as an adult.
Speaker 2: Stuff bothers today, people say stuff. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I remember we asked Kobe that, you know, like what
Speaker 1: hurts you the most? You know, when you heard people
Speaker 1: talk bad about you? Said all of it?
Speaker 2: Like I heard all of it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And people think because we're at pro athletes.
Speaker 1: That we're superhuman. We don't feel hit ship, we don't
Speaker 1: hear ship. We're just supposed to play. And it's it's
Speaker 1: we're human at the end.
Speaker 2: Of the day.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we have eyes, ears, hearts, all.
Speaker 4: That ship emotions. Yeah, imagine that pride, empathy, humility, But
Speaker 4: everybody wants talk about ego. That's what they think. A
Speaker 4: lot more people have a lot of humility than people
Speaker 4: could ever imagine. And sometimes you know, some of the
Speaker 4: ship talkers on the internet are good, Oh yeah, some
Speaker 4: of them are really good.
Speaker 2: Oh read it.
Speaker 4: I'm like, damn, that was pretty well put together.
Speaker 2: Put together?
Speaker 4: See how you would say that I was thinking the
Speaker 4: same thing.
Speaker 2: It's been sometimes just my replies just a good one.
Speaker 2: That was a good one. That was one cheers.
Speaker 4: You should think about changing your name from Boner Garage
Speaker 4: to like your actual name. You might have some talent.
Speaker 5: About doing that.
Speaker 4: That's a good time. That's a wild place, man.
Speaker 2: It's a nice room, by the way, isn't it.
Speaker 4: I like what you guys are doing. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 4: like what you guys. I've never been here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me neither. It's beautiful. Thank you. Shout out Foxhole Fox.
Speaker 4: What are you guys doing. You're doing a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 2: I assume just this.
Speaker 1: And then we got a couple of shows tomorrow and
Speaker 1: we're done. We got to be there tonight for DraftKings
Speaker 1: up tomorrow. It's small here too. Yeah tomorrow. About the
Speaker 1: DraftKings deal, yeah, okay, exciting. I think it's good for
Speaker 1: you as a multi year deal, and what it allowed
Speaker 1: us to do was obviously create content with amazing people
Speaker 1: under our team. You know, you talked to Rachel earlier,
Speaker 1: to Marcus Cousins, Paul Pierce, Rajon Rondo it t Isaiah Thomas,
Speaker 1: talking to a few other people, and then crossing it
Speaker 1: over trying to get some people in the women's space.
Speaker 2: So a big responsibility but dope.
Speaker 1: And then also at the same time, you know, creating,
Speaker 1: having content, cross pollinating shows and then building out a
Speaker 1: studio on alban So it's.
Speaker 4: You should guys make really good ship.
Speaker 2: Thank you. It's our team, man, thank you, our team
Speaker 2: right there, our team. Yeah, and any and any advice
Speaker 2: a game you can give was you know, we always.
Speaker 4: Man, I only know works for me, Like this is
Speaker 4: the thing, like a million dollars worth of games and
Speaker 4: how I mean, what an absolute stallion, you know, And
Speaker 4: I watch their stuff. I get inspired by them as well.
Speaker 4: I mean some of the clips that just come to
Speaker 4: my mind from their show or just will live on
Speaker 4: for eternity. And it's like I very much appreciate how
Speaker 4: kind people are to me and my guys, and they're like, hey,
Speaker 4: what did you do? How'd you do it? It's like
Speaker 4: we fucked up so much, Like we made so many
Speaker 4: mistakes business critical airs, decisions, content airs, and like what
Speaker 4: works for us isn't necessarily going to work for other people,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, like everybody. And I think
Speaker 4: this is like marketing agency speak. I think it started
Speaker 4: happening a few years ago where they're like this client
Speaker 4: was wondering if you could make three viral videos for them.
Speaker 4: It's like, we don't fucking know, no, no, nobody knows,
Speaker 4: like nobody has a clue what's going to be good.
Speaker 4: So it's like I appreciate whenever people are like, what
Speaker 4: do you think, and it's like I don't have the
Speaker 4: answers like you guys clearly do, though, Like look at
Speaker 4: this setup. I was honored and pumped to get the
Speaker 4: ass to come onto this show, you know, like I
Speaker 4: am a big fan, so I can't wait to see
Speaker 4: what you guys do and keep going and shout out
Speaker 4: to meadow Lark for seeing what everybody else is seeing
Speaker 4: and giving you guys some real like a safety net
Speaker 4: to go get it.
Speaker 5: It's awesome.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you deserve it. You guys deserve it. All.
Speaker 4: With that being said, I think you were tank tops.
Speaker 4: I think you start, you know, coming over.
Speaker 2: I said he had his drug dealer outfit on with
Speaker 2: some snake skins.
Speaker 4: Just yeah, I mean, Stag looks hilarious. I mean, you're
Speaker 4: looking phenomenal right now, and this is great. You said
Speaker 4: it's Nike.
Speaker 2: Nike. Nobody can't believe that.
Speaker 4: So I've been very lucky to go to a lot
Speaker 4: of events where you know NBA folks are and if
Speaker 4: you are just a basic as human, you need to
Speaker 4: find something that has got two to three inches on
Speaker 4: the hill. Yeah, you know, because the small one on
Speaker 4: TV NBA guy is six ' five. Yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 4: I need to add a little hype. Yeah there's who's
Speaker 4: that tall? Who's uh yeah, Jesus Christ walked in here,
Speaker 4: seven foot seven footer, eight footer going to the bathroom,
Speaker 4: three foot dumps and you guys, this place is awesome.
Speaker 2: Y inser? Inser? What does that mean to you? Pittsburgh?
Speaker 4: Okay, So a yinser is like a white trash person
Speaker 4: from Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: Yinser.
Speaker 4: Okay, Like that's what the in is because you know
Speaker 4: in the South they say y'all, y'all yeah, and I
Speaker 4: think like eastern Pennsylvania and over there they say you
Speaker 4: ins Pittsburgh, it says yeens. So it's like high End's
Speaker 4: doing is like Pittsburgh talk don instead of down. So
Speaker 4: it's like a yinser accent. But basically it means is
Speaker 4: like white trash from Pittsburgh. So like I happened to
Speaker 4: be one of the most uh in my I got
Speaker 4: two guys that one grew up on my street. One
Speaker 4: once to my same high school. I've been friends with
Speaker 4: them since then. We we are the most insurer fucked,
Speaker 4: you know. So we we take a lot of pride
Speaker 4: in representing that city. And uh, A lot of people
Speaker 4: get out of Pittsburgh and they change the way they
Speaker 4: speak because the Insier accent is so ridiculous you could
Speaker 4: barely make out most of the words. We still like,
Speaker 4: one of our shows is called hammer Don because that
Speaker 4: is Pittsburgh the inser for down. So we take a
Speaker 4: lot of pride in that. But yeah, like, uh, that's
Speaker 4: basically what it means, just like a super Pittsburgh fuck,
Speaker 4: which is what he is, which we're lucky to be. Yeah,
Speaker 4: stupid city.
Speaker 2: You didn't really consider yourself a football player? Why would
Speaker 2: you say that at one point?
Speaker 4: I mean, compare the people that didn't play in the NFL. Okay,
Speaker 4: like I would beat their asset everything football. Okay, I
Speaker 4: could probably throw football better than them. I can tackle
Speaker 4: better than them, I can catch better than them, I
Speaker 4: can kick better than them. I can probably read a
Speaker 4: defense better than them. But when you talk about like
Speaker 4: NFL guys or like high college football, guys like what
Speaker 4: they have to do in the game versus what I
Speaker 4: have to do. Oh my god, the day to day
Speaker 4: my life is so much better than their, you know,
Speaker 4: like the film study, the soreness, the banging the client like,
Speaker 4: and then I'm literally getting better at corn hole, you know,
Speaker 4: while they are the way.
Speaker 2: I got good? Are you? I I'm playing probably a
Speaker 2: couple times a year, but I love it.
Speaker 4: But you got to think, like these guys, just you
Speaker 4: hear the legendary stories are of the NFL sky watch
Speaker 4: more filmmainbody else. This guy's fucking in the meeting room,
Speaker 4: you know, watching film while they were doing that, I
Speaker 4: was in the locker room throwing corn hole. So like
Speaker 4: all these legendary tales, this guy watched five hours of
Speaker 4: film a day in between practice and workouts. Those five
Speaker 4: hours I was throwing the bags. So I'm a fucking
Speaker 4: grinder and everything. Yeah, it did not help. My profession
Speaker 4: did not help the team do not do anything. But
Speaker 4: it's hard for me to really, you know, like say
Speaker 4: that we were anywhere near what every other position is
Speaker 4: very much understand. I think every specialist understands it. But
Speaker 4: it was my way of making a lot of money
Speaker 4: in America. Like I had a very strong leg. I
Speaker 4: was a good soccer player. I had ten x the
Speaker 4: amount of scholarship for soccer than I did for football.
Speaker 4: I played overseas whenever I was a teenager, Like there
Speaker 4: had to be a real conversation between my dad and I.
Speaker 4: Like to be rich at the time, and that's all
Speaker 4: I wanted to be was rich. Which is why I
Speaker 4: wanted to be a professional wrestler. Because I turned on
Speaker 4: TV on Monday. Those motherfuckers rich. Yep, exactly, professional sports,
Speaker 4: those motherfuckers look rich. Comedians those motherfuckers look rich. Show hosts,
Speaker 4: those motherfuckers look rich. So like everything I'm doing right
Speaker 4: now is only because I wanted to be rich. So like,
Speaker 4: what do you want to be when you grow up?
Speaker 4: I was asked rich? And all these teachers hated it.
Speaker 4: They hated it. Kid next to me, I want to
Speaker 4: be a teacher. He's a hero, right to this teacher.
Speaker 4: This kid over here wants to be a firefighter like noble.
Speaker 4: I appreciate that. Pat, What do you want to be rich?
Speaker 2: That is all?
Speaker 4: That is, asshole, that is literally, Bengo, I'm the worst
Speaker 4: kid of all time. That is you know, so like,
Speaker 4: that's kind of how this is all kind of worked out. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that is that is my entire life?
Speaker 1: Is it an urban legend about you want some money
Speaker 1: and took yourself to a kicking contest and kind of
Speaker 1: was able to establish us.
Speaker 4: So I graduate high school two thousand and five. I
Speaker 4: don't know what year you both damn look at your skin,
Speaker 4: look at mine.
Speaker 2: You know what they say that we don't count. Bro,
Speaker 2: he don't count. Though, he don't count, he don't account.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying it, but there's something about you guys
Speaker 4: aging a lot better than me. So two thousand and five,
Speaker 4: in that time, World Series of Poker was huge. It
Speaker 4: was on ESPN. We all watched it. There was a
Speaker 4: dude named Chris Moneymaker who was just this basic ass
Speaker 4: white who I think like blue collar from Middle America
Speaker 4: where he became a millionaire overnight. So pretty much every
Speaker 4: community that was like mine. From what I've learned from
Speaker 4: growing up, we all started playing poker because we thought
Speaker 4: that was gonna be a way for us to make
Speaker 4: money and get rich. I became a good poker player.
Speaker 4: I'd be playing in my friend's houses. Obviously, It's like
Speaker 4: twenty five fifty cent blinds, very small and he's and
Speaker 4: everything like that. We all thought we were going to
Speaker 4: be the next World Series of Poker Champions. But it
Speaker 4: was a good way for us to make money to
Speaker 4: spend for lunch extras things like that. I got a
Speaker 4: call like a month before signing day that there was
Speaker 4: a kicking camp happening down in Miami, Florida by a
Speaker 4: guy named Mike McCabe, one on one kicking. I was
Speaker 4: in physics class when the call happened. The guy's number
Speaker 4: I still remember to this day because I was so
Speaker 4: pumped to receive the call. He called me and basically
Speaker 4: said he's putting on a kicking contest in Florida for
Speaker 4: all guys that got scholarships. At that point, I was
Speaker 4: offered a scholarship to Kent State to be a field
Speaker 4: goal kicker because he wanted guys to come compete against
Speaker 4: his guys that he coached out in Florida. It was
Speaker 4: gonna be a college showcase. It was happening like the
Speaker 4: next weekend or something like that. I was pumped to
Speaker 4: get invited. I felt like it was a big deal.
Speaker 4: He sends over the information it was gonna end up
Speaker 4: costing like fifteen hundred bucks. My dad, truck driver went
Speaker 4: into working in a warehouse mom secretary, Like, fifteen hundred
Speaker 4: bucks in like a four day period is not just
Speaker 4: like a feasible thing. Dad, I think told me to
Speaker 4: actually go fuck myself, Like, okay, already have a scholarship
Speaker 4: to Kent State at the time too. So it's like,
Speaker 4: so let me get this straight. I need to come
Speaker 4: up with fifteen hundred bucks for you to go to
Speaker 4: Miami to kick to potentially get a scholarship when you
Speaker 4: already have a fucking scholarship to Kent State. That's not
Speaker 4: gonna happen. So I am somebody I think would prove
Speaker 4: to be the case throughout the rest of my life. Like,
Speaker 4: let me see if I can make this happen or not.
Speaker 4: There is a big game happening that I heard about
Speaker 4: from one of my friend's dads in the basement of
Speaker 4: an Italian restaurant that in a town that we grew
Speaker 4: up in was happening on like a Thursday night or
Speaker 4: something like that, and had bigger blinds, bigger annies, bigger pots.
Speaker 4: And I thought to myself, maybe I'll be able to
Speaker 4: go in there and really do this dumb thought, blindly optimistic,
Speaker 4: pretty narcissistic as well, now that I think about it.
Speaker 4: But I got a one hundred bucks from one of
Speaker 4: my friends that has money. I went in there and
Speaker 4: I turned it into fourteen hundred bucks. I left at
Speaker 4: like three point thirty four am, and I met my
Speaker 4: dad when he was getting up, like he was waking up,
Speaker 4: and he was like, where the fuck have you been?
Speaker 4: And I was like, gave him the money, told him
Speaker 4: I kneed one hundred bucks, went down to the camp,
Speaker 4: ended up winning the camp, got a scholarship to West
Speaker 4: Virginia the next morning in school.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so then I end up going to West Virginia. Yeah, stupid,
Speaker 4: dumbest life of all time. It was Jack's Full of
Speaker 4: Nines was the full house that I won the pot on,
Speaker 4: and I actually had to hold on to my money
Speaker 4: for the night. I was up to like eighteen hundred,
Speaker 4: but I was by far the youngest person there, and
Speaker 4: I didn't want to just get up and bail because
Speaker 4: that's not etiquette or smart, you know, in that particular thing.
Speaker 4: So I just kind of held on, ended up with
Speaker 4: fourteen hundred, and the rest is kind of history. But
Speaker 4: like You're talking about one of the dumbest situations of
Speaker 4: all time. And if that doesn't happen, do I go
Speaker 4: to West Virginia, Do I end up in the NFL?
Speaker 4: Probably not? Probably not, which means I'm the luckiest fuck
Speaker 4: of all time?
Speaker 1: Right, I mean yeah, I'm about to say I mean
Speaker 1: you say dumb, I say dope. I mean fact that
Speaker 1: you know that story, in the fact, you win it,
Speaker 1: you get a scholarship the next day, you end up,
Speaker 1: you know, going to West Virginia.
Speaker 5: Pat White teams right, Oh yeah, he was a monster monster.
Speaker 4: Cool dude too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Cool Major Harris was before me. Major Harris, great dude,
Speaker 4: always around, good times. Major Harris is good times. If
Speaker 4: you're in a room with Major Harris, you're gonna be
Speaker 4: having a good time. And that's that's the vibes that
Speaker 4: our West Virginia team had, though, like Pat, Pat White,
Speaker 4: Steve Slayton, then Noel Devine came later. We had a
Speaker 4: really tight group, like and Pat White was like the
Speaker 4: perfect leader.
Speaker 2: Penny Pitchers, Penny Pitchers of beer.
Speaker 4: Come on, man, back in the day, do you know
Speaker 4: you know chasers, you know, Chasers and Dreams. That was
Speaker 4: the name of the bar club Z is another place
Speaker 4: I used to frequent. There was a place called Lazy Lizard.
Speaker 4: I got out loans when I was in college. I
Speaker 4: was on full scholarship, which is absurd to kick a
Speaker 4: football the So my parents we've talked about this. Not
Speaker 4: a lot of money and there's no nil back in
Speaker 4: the day, not that I would have got in it anyways,
Speaker 4: but like there was nothing. So you get that per
Speaker 4: diem or whatever. It was like eight hundred bucks for
Speaker 4: the month.
Speaker 1: But made you feel good though he was supposed to
Speaker 1: stretch it out, but that shit was going on like
Speaker 1: three or four.
Speaker 4: Days, and rent is happening. What are we even doing?
Speaker 4: So I got out these loans at like twenty two
Speaker 4: percent interesting forty thousand dollars and loans just to have
Speaker 4: a good time, and I just to have a good time.
Speaker 4: And I did and I did, and I should have
Speaker 4: focused more on kicking balls in Morgantown. But boy, I
Speaker 4: had life blast there.
Speaker 1: I think college. I mean Jack didn't get a chance
Speaker 1: to go to college. I felt like college. I had
Speaker 1: a blast in the NBA, but college was a fucking blast,
Speaker 1: great time. Loved it so much, fun, loved it. Passing
Speaker 1: out drunk in Westwood and going getting free drinks at
Speaker 1: bars and just having the run of the little college.
Speaker 2: It was dope.
Speaker 4: I didn't know you were living like that.
Speaker 2: It went hard, smoking.
Speaker 1: Weed, passing out, having pulled Jirwan out of gutters, and
Speaker 1: we play Syracuse the number one team in the country
Speaker 1: on ABC the next morning.
Speaker 2: Like unbelievable.
Speaker 4: Tell you he said, hell, yeah, that was the old days.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right before cameras, Like, no, you know, it was
Speaker 5: just if you're there, you saw it.
Speaker 2: It's not It's an urban legend.
Speaker 4: Everything else is. Remember, I've heard a lot of stories
Speaker 4: about me, and I'm like, I don't know if that's
Speaker 4: how that went, but if that's how you remember it, sweet,
Speaker 4: probably that is. But that was I just thought to myself,
Speaker 4: if I don't make it to the NFL, I'll be
Speaker 4: in debt like all these other motherfuckers in college. And
Speaker 4: if I do make to the NFL, hopefully I'll be
Speaker 4: able to pay this off. And uh, yeah, it was
Speaker 4: money well spent. I think money.
Speaker 1: Well when did when did the NFL be you know,
Speaker 1: really start thinking like I can I can do this
Speaker 1: for a living.
Speaker 4: First time I kicked the football, I kicked sixty five
Speaker 4: year field goal.
Speaker 2: Oh ship, Yeah, really kicked what.
Speaker 4: I've had a cannon? This thing actual that leg? Yeah,
Speaker 4: because I didn't play. I think a big part of
Speaker 4: a lot of things, like the reason why I'm friends
Speaker 4: with Stack and the reason why I know a lot
Speaker 4: of people is because I was so fucking horrendous at
Speaker 4: video games. So like, I'm a terrible video game player.
Speaker 4: My brother got all the talent, like I am so bad.
Speaker 4: So I would go out, like, hey, do you want
Speaker 4: to go do this? Yeah, like where other guys might
Speaker 4: stay home and play video games. Hey, you want to
Speaker 4: go to Sunset?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do want to go to Sunset. Do you
Speaker 4: want to go to Cloud nine?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 4: I do want to go to Cloud nine? Yeah? Like
Speaker 4: do you want to go to all these places? Yes?
Speaker 4: Because I didn't play video games. So when I was
Speaker 4: growing up, I didn't play video games. I have add
Speaker 4: So I literally would either be out and about with
Speaker 4: everybody else or I would just kick a soccer ball
Speaker 4: against the side of my house for like hours and
Speaker 4: hours and hours. And I was infatuating with having the
Speaker 4: strongest leg. So when I was a kid, I actually
Speaker 4: kicked a soccer ball broke a goalie's fucking arm, and
Speaker 4: I thought that was the coolest thing of all time. Like,
Speaker 4: I thought that was really cool. And then I saw
Speaker 4: David Beckham in the World Cup. I think he kicked
Speaker 4: the ball like ninety some miles an hour. They talked
Speaker 4: about and I was like, that's sweet. Like I want
Speaker 4: to be able to kick the ball as hard as
Speaker 4: I can, So I literally just would kick the ball
Speaker 4: against the side of my house hours hours, hours, thump thump, thump, thumph,
Speaker 4: break a fucking window. Tim McAfee's pissed, Sally mcfee's man,
Speaker 4: let's fix the window. Let's kick the ball again, you know,
Speaker 4: like that is that is literally what I did. But
Speaker 4: like soccer was supposed to be the thing. Soccer was
Speaker 4: supposed to be a thing. So then whenever I like
Speaker 4: I won the punt passing kick, Yeah, and I murdered
Speaker 4: this ball. I just murdered it. So then I went
Speaker 4: to a football field. We had soccer practice and there
Speaker 4: was a kicking camp happening. And I grew up in
Speaker 4: an NFL town in Pittsburgh, and anybody that's fan of
Speaker 4: football and those kickers are nerds, you know, So like
Speaker 4: at that time, I go give me one of those balls, Nerd,
Speaker 4: like actually send it to the kickers that they were there,
Speaker 4: and I just my swing was just a natural swing
Speaker 4: for it, and I kicked like sixty yarder. I think
Speaker 4: the first time I kicked the ball, and it was
Speaker 4: at that moment everybody was like there might be some
Speaker 4: business in this one here, and that really changed everything. So,
Speaker 4: like I literally the first time I kicked the ball
Speaker 4: was when I was like, hey, we could probably make
Speaker 4: a little money off. This had to get real lucky.
Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot of luck goes into it. Everything, a
Speaker 5: lot of luck goes into it.
Speaker 1: Right, seventh round draft pick, but you go to an
Speaker 1: amazing Colts team, Peyton Manning, Reggy, Wayne Joseph Died, Dwight Freemy.
Speaker 1: What are your what's your first NFL memory?
Speaker 4: So I know I did have a punt when I
Speaker 4: got drafted to punt.
Speaker 2: You got that's right, Yeah, So I got.
Speaker 4: Drafted to punt. In college. We did this like Azsie
Speaker 4: punt where you would run. I would run to the
Speaker 4: right and then I would like just hit it and
Speaker 4: then it would roll on the ground. So it was
Speaker 4: like cheating pretty much. You know, they wouldn't be able
Speaker 4: to return it, you just kind of stole it. NFL
Speaker 4: punting is you have to like punt it ship in
Speaker 4: the air, right, So I think the first memory I
Speaker 4: had was I had to learn how to punt, right.
Speaker 4: I just got drafted in the NFL to do this.
Speaker 4: I got to learn that. And then as soon as
Speaker 4: I got in the locker room, I just like how
Speaker 4: cool everybody was, Like you listed off all those dudes
Speaker 4: right there, legends, those are all absolute legends. And literally
Speaker 4: from day one, all those people were cool with me
Speaker 4: and nice to me. And I'm a punter and I
Speaker 4: was not good like and they saw me in like
Speaker 4: training camp, in a rookie camp. I was not good
Speaker 4: at punting balls. And Hunter Smith was the punter here
Speaker 4: and he was here for like eleven years, be loved
Speaker 4: by the city, be loved by the locker room, and
Speaker 4: they cut him for me, so and I didn't know
Speaker 4: how to punt. He's super religious, he's in a like
Speaker 4: a Christian music band, like sounds like Jack exactly exactly
Speaker 4: like him. We're talking polar opposite human of me pretty much.
Speaker 4: And everybody was cool. So I just think my first
Speaker 4: memory was walking in the locker room thinking I was
Speaker 4: going to be scared to death and everybody being cool.
Speaker 4: I think that's probably it.
Speaker 2: Peyton Manning off the field obviously kind of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jack was telling me stories back in the day
Speaker 1: about paying I was like, Peyton Manning.
Speaker 2: He's like, you ever go to.
Speaker 4: Ten roof with him? You ever been in ten roof
Speaker 4: with him?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 4: Not ten roof? What's this place done?
Speaker 2: Here?
Speaker 4: Slipper noodle? No? I mean he just like, I don't
Speaker 4: think he knows he's Peyton man That was the.
Speaker 2: Problem the story I told him. That's why. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: does not walk around like he's Payton.
Speaker 4: In And since he's like six or seven years old,
Speaker 4: they've been telling him he's gonna be an NFL guy.
Speaker 4: You know. They have like a rebook commercial from when
Speaker 4: him and Eli were kids basically say like these are
Speaker 4: the next guys. Somehow he's just remained a human. I
Speaker 4: don't know how he's remained a human. Now in the building,
Speaker 4: he's quarterback, GM owner, coach if he wants to be,
Speaker 4: and there will be times where he will exercise his
Speaker 4: right to do all of those things if he thinks
Speaker 4: it's in the best interest of the team. But like
Speaker 4: off the field, as a teammate. He took a lot
Speaker 4: of pride in being a human, you know, like he
Speaker 4: invited me to a lot of things. When we're talking
Speaker 4: about like drinking beers with the boys, like he was
Speaker 4: about that, like and it was. He took care of me.
Speaker 4: He helped me out a lot business wise. He's helped
Speaker 4: me out a lot. He's given me a lot of
Speaker 4: opportunities too, So like I am forever and then yeah,
Speaker 4: shut up, massive fucking head though, like that, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean?
Speaker 2: Five huge g Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4: He has no idea who he is. That is the
Speaker 4: that's cool though, Yeah great. I went on a golfing
Speaker 4: trip with him like two years and I like to
Speaker 4: think that I run my own business. And obviously he
Speaker 4: has like ten businesses. You know, he's got some whiskey,
Speaker 4: he's got omaha, he's coaching his kids games, he's doing
Speaker 4: all these things. We went on a golf trip and
Speaker 4: he invited me on, which is really cool. And you
Speaker 4: weren't allowed to use your phone at this particular place
Speaker 4: where you're golfing at Okay, So as soon as we
Speaker 4: got to like the afterwards, when you have your phone,
Speaker 4: he had like sixty emails or whatever. And for me,
Speaker 4: I had like probably foty emails as well for business stuff,
Speaker 4: and I scrolled through him, I'm like, God, they really
Speaker 4: want something that will email me again, you know, like
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna mark these as red. I'm out of here.
Speaker 4: He responded to every fucking email. You're talking about being
Speaker 4: diligent in every company that he has. We're talking hands on,
Speaker 4: thinking about everything, like he is just a robot. He's
Speaker 4: an alien. He might not be from here, and very
Speaker 4: very lucky that.
Speaker 2: I got to be honest. Yeah, absolutely, how did wrestling
Speaker 2: come about?
Speaker 4: It's awesome, isn't it. Oh man, there's a bunch of
Speaker 4: marks over here. I think I saw brought a couple
Speaker 4: uh wrestling marks. I'm wrestling mark. Yeah. I hate those
Speaker 4: people because they play on like our fans too, you know, yeah,
Speaker 4: because I don't like to charge my fans for anything.
Speaker 4: Like I try to make sure my show. My show
Speaker 4: is free. Like we haven't even sold tickets since COVID
Speaker 4: for people, because we don't want people to feel obligated
Speaker 4: to spend money. I don't promote our merch store ever,
Speaker 4: because I don't want people to feel obligated to spend
Speaker 4: money like just their time and their uh like thought
Speaker 4: that they'll support us by watching is enough for me.
Speaker 4: So like these autograph hounds, like because I don't sign
Speaker 4: a lot of stuff, like they'll charge the shit out
Speaker 4: of my fans. My fans are buying, I'm thinking that
Speaker 4: it's good. Like so I feel bad, I feel torn,
Speaker 4: like I appreciate these people, but also like they're working
Speaker 4: in this whole thing. The wrestling world has the most
Speaker 4: amount of of like hustlers, I'll say around it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm a wrestling Mark grew up as a wrestling fan.
Speaker 4: We talked about Monday Night Ros, the Monday Night Wars
Speaker 4: like it was everything that I liked. I liked talking shit,
Speaker 4: I liked I liked athleticism, I liked the drama. I
Speaker 4: liked the comedy. I also grew up in the Attitude
Speaker 4: era with Stone Cold and The Rock. The Rock being
Speaker 4: back right now is awesome, absolutely awesome. I drank beers
Speaker 4: with Stone Cold last year in Dallas. Shout out to Texas,
Speaker 4: like I had a I've been living a dream. But
Speaker 4: it literally just all comes from me watching as a kid,
Speaker 4: being a diehard fan and continue to watch for my
Speaker 4: whole life. So anytime I get to do anything with him,
Speaker 4: I'm pumped my move. I punt, I punp people. I
Speaker 4: punt people, pump the soul out of it. I punt
Speaker 4: the soul out.
Speaker 2: Any chance we'll see you in WrestleMania in Philly. I
Speaker 2: don't know, dude.
Speaker 4: So I got a lot of science pumping through me
Speaker 4: right now. You know, when you retire, I said, hey,
Speaker 4: I want that rich guy stuff. You know, what are
Speaker 4: these rich guys taking that I see on Instagram? That
Speaker 4: are all? You know? Don't get fat? Like, I don't
Speaker 4: know how it works because with my particular build, if
Speaker 4: I eat pizza four times, fat ass gay fat ass
Speaker 4: in the football season is long and every year I've
Speaker 4: gained like fifty to sixty pounds since retiring. So this
Speaker 4: year I'm like, I'm gonna get on the rich guy
Speaker 4: stuff that cheats and keeps me thin, not as full
Speaker 4: as the Ozempic move. But I'm not against it.
Speaker 2: I will.
Speaker 4: I will head to that route in a couple of
Speaker 4: years if I If so, I'm on a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 2: Is it long term? Anything? Long term? Do you understand?
Speaker 2: Like the outcome of that.
Speaker 4: Not a clue?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 4: Like, am I gonna die.
Speaker 2: Who knows?
Speaker 4: Probably, they say everybody is. But is this one gonna
Speaker 4: take years off my life? Maybe? But what's that gonna
Speaker 4: happen anyways? We don't know. You know, I've always said
Speaker 4: two if I have something that's going to kill me,
Speaker 4: that we might be able to have a cure for someday.
Speaker 4: I would like to be frozen until we find the cure.
Speaker 4: Bring my ass back twenty one, twenty twenty years in there.
Speaker 4: Think about me getting dropped in that society. I'll be
Speaker 4: fucking pumped up about it. Well, that being said, I
Speaker 4: don't think I could pass any drum tests for a
Speaker 4: WrestleMania Yeah, because of drum test people. So that's real good.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah yeah, And I'm on everything I think they're
Speaker 4: testing for.
Speaker 2: They tested about it, everything but the right shit. Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh man?
Speaker 1: Uh ultimate goal in this media space, I mean you
Speaker 1: pretty much have it, you know, doing what you want
Speaker 1: to do, and you brought your people along, which we
Speaker 1: always love and respect.
Speaker 2: But what's your ultimate goal in the space? You don't
Speaker 2: know yet. Enjoin it as it goes, I'll enjoin it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. I have no idea. Like every
Speaker 4: step that we've hit is cool, you know, like the
Speaker 4: next step is cool, Like I mean I negotiated a
Speaker 4: one hundred and some million dollar contracts, right, that was cool?
Speaker 4: That was really cool. Yeah, we get to clap, but
Speaker 4: that was like a cool moment that I could have
Speaker 4: never fathomed in my entire life. And then you talk
Speaker 4: about the boys like I gave them backpacks with like
Speaker 4: two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a me like that's
Speaker 4: a that's cool. That's a cool thing that I could
Speaker 4: have never Yeah, and we're running like a fifteen thank you,
Speaker 4: thank you, we we we we we wait. But like
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, I have no idea, because who
Speaker 4: knows what the media space looks like a year from now?
Speaker 4: Who knows what our show looks like a year from now.
Speaker 4: Everybody talks about being a chess player, chess player, chess player,
Speaker 4: Like I'm checkers, man, I'm just trying to get over
Speaker 4: you get to the next one and then king me
Speaker 4: bitch right at the end, and I'm coming back.
Speaker 3: But but but perhaps to you, you are helping dictate
Speaker 3: what is going to be in the future. You're a
Speaker 3: big part of what is going to be, so you
Speaker 3: help you helping dictate what this space is going to be.
Speaker 1: You think you ever realized that in the moment, You know,
Speaker 1: we don't, you know, you guys don't realize it. We
Speaker 1: don't realize it that we're shaping what's next. Yes, you are,
Speaker 1: you too, I should not be, but you are.
Speaker 3: But you are, and and all bullshit aside. He just
Speaker 3: said you and you know you are. You shanning out
Speaker 3: the biggest faces in this right now. So you need
Speaker 3: to accept that, bro, because your hard work puts you
Speaker 3: and so and we when we giving your props because
Speaker 3: we in the space too, but we've seen what you've
Speaker 3: done and what you're doing.
Speaker 4: Of course, I really really genuinely appreciate that. Now. Granted,
Speaker 4: do you just put like, I don't know what, a
Speaker 4: lot of pressure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can have it. You can handle it,
Speaker 2: you can handle it.
Speaker 4: No, I appreciate that, and I do think every decision
Speaker 4: that I make, and I'm not saying I'm making decisions
Speaker 4: for anybody else, I am making decisions for our company
Speaker 4: to continue to survive and hopefully other companies that are
Speaker 4: like ours in the future to be able to do it.
Speaker 4: You know, That's what the decisions are happening. But I
Speaker 4: also think like there's a lot of things that if
Speaker 4: anybody else was in my spot, they would be doing
Speaker 4: the exact same thing. Like there's a lot of common
Speaker 4: sense shit that just doesn't make any sense that is
Speaker 4: happening in the sports meeking bullshit.
Speaker 3: Common sense. That's my way. They know, that's my word.
Speaker 3: I'm first team all common sense. The world has lost that,
Speaker 3: but go ahead, Well, not just.
Speaker 4: The world, people that are in positions of power in
Speaker 4: a lot of businesses, more specifically for this particular conversation,
Speaker 4: the sports media world, there's a lot of idiots that
Speaker 4: are making a lot of decisions. And those idiots made
Speaker 4: a lot of money for a long time doing something
Speaker 4: in one particular fashion, so they're going to hang.
Speaker 2: On to that for as long as they possibly can.
Speaker 4: And there is other stuff happening very quickly, and tomorrow
Speaker 4: is meeting today at a rate that I think we
Speaker 4: all are expecting. But I think there's a relationship between
Speaker 4: what used to be in the future that can still coexist.
Speaker 4: And I think from my standpoint, I have tried to
Speaker 4: extend an olive branch to the olds, you know, to
Speaker 4: say like, hey, this is what we've seen to be success,
Speaker 4: but what they have done in return is like not
Speaker 4: the case. So whenever we do break through on something,
Speaker 4: I do take a lot of pride in the fact that, like, Okay,
Speaker 4: somebody else is probably going to be able to say
Speaker 4: that this is how it should be because now there's
Speaker 4: a precedent. But I'm not saying I'm the only one
Speaker 4: that's done this. Like obviously, like Joe Rogan's deal with
Speaker 4: Spotify huge, like that was fantastic. You know, even like
Speaker 4: Mike Florio with Pro Football Talk, he sold his company
Speaker 4: like two different times, both the ESPN and then the NBC.
Speaker 4: Like there's a lot Barstool Sports. What they've been able
Speaker 4: to do in the business that they've been able to run.
Speaker 4: It's like there's a lot of people before me. So
Speaker 4: whenever people are like, hey, you're doing this, you're doing that,
Speaker 4: it's like I appreciate that, and I do feel like
Speaker 4: I've made some gains in some places that needed it,
Speaker 4: But like it's inevitable. It is inevitable, and we're lucky
Speaker 4: to be here at the time that it is.
Speaker 1: Us through the journey quickly, you know, Barstool Fan duel
Speaker 1: and then eventually to where you're at with ESPN now
Speaker 1: because like I said, you went places but were able
Speaker 1: to keep it yours and we're able to get up
Speaker 1: and move and.
Speaker 2: Get other deals in the process. But talk to us
Speaker 2: about the journey of those three companies.
Speaker 4: So whenever I was playing, I followed along with barstool
Speaker 4: because I was a fan of Big Cat obviously followed
Speaker 4: Caleb and Dave and Hank, and I don't think PFT
Speaker 4: had joined there yet, but I had known a PFT
Speaker 4: and his big brain. And you know, if you're an
Speaker 4: internet like I had a merch store or podcast, I
Speaker 4: was doing that. I was a digital company. So I
Speaker 4: was watching what they were doing. And whenever I retired
Speaker 4: or was going to retire, none of those networks wanted me.
Speaker 4: So like Dave was the first one to really reach
Speaker 4: out and be like, hey, we just got an investment
Speaker 4: from the Churning Group.
Speaker 2: We have some money.
Speaker 4: When you retire, we'd love to talk, and we kind
Speaker 4: of chit chatted. I didn't want to move to New York.
Speaker 4: I wanted to stay in Indianapolis because I thought I
Speaker 4: had a good connection here or good network here. I
Speaker 4: loved living here. I don't like I don't want to
Speaker 4: live in a big city, Like I really wanted to
Speaker 4: stay here. So we had like a satellite company almost,
Speaker 4: and I got to learn and watch while still running
Speaker 4: our own thing. And then whenever we broke off, it
Speaker 4: was like all right, here we go. And I'd been
Speaker 4: running my own company and my own show, and Fandor
Speaker 4: just became our exclusive sports book. So they didn't own
Speaker 4: my company, they didn't own the show. They were just
Speaker 4: our sports book. Just like if COR's Laute was our beer,
Speaker 4: they would be our exclusive beer. Fanda was our exclusive
Speaker 4: sports book. But with that relationship, because of the people
Speaker 4: we knew over there, we're able to create promos and
Speaker 4: do things and kind of learn about that world and
Speaker 4: learn about marketing and and I just got to the
Speaker 4: point where I wanted my life to be easier. Like
Speaker 4: we're booking, we're selling the ads, we're creating. If we
Speaker 4: want to do a live show like this, we would
Speaker 4: have to be the ones that would book the local
Speaker 4: camera people, the local hands to build it. Like I
Speaker 4: just kind of got it to a point where I
Speaker 4: was I think we all were sick of doing all
Speaker 4: of the bullshit. They wanted a little bit of help,
Speaker 4: so decided I'm going to take the show to a
Speaker 4: network and ended up getting a deal done with Jimmy
Speaker 4: Pataro and Bob Iger and uh, you know, licensees show
Speaker 4: to them, and they've helped out immensely. I mean the
Speaker 4: access in the production, Like we were alive in ten
Speaker 4: different college towns. That would have cost me, I don't know,
Speaker 4: maybe forty hours of fucking work, but ESPN just kind
Speaker 4: of took care of it. It's like they've made my
Speaker 4: life easier. They've made our access a lot easier. And yeah,
Speaker 4: I still retain one hundred percent rights and creative freedom
Speaker 4: and ownership on my show, but like they're an incredible
Speaker 4: partner and I'm lucky to be there. There's a lot
Speaker 4: of middle management there though that well, I mean, I
Speaker 4: mean not love us.
Speaker 2: We don't have to even speak names.
Speaker 1: But you spoke a name and called out someone a
Speaker 1: suit that you felt like was kind of yeah for
Speaker 1: real we yeah, I mean the courage to do that,
Speaker 1: and you got a lot of you already had respect,
Speaker 1: but even more respect for doing that. Has there been
Speaker 1: any backlash, any conversation, like, because like you said, there
Speaker 1: is a give and take, and it's given and a
Speaker 1: tug between what people hung their hats on for years
Speaker 1: and made a lot of money, and what is coming
Speaker 1: and what it's going to be.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know if there was any conversations that happened
Speaker 4: behind uh obviously, So you know, like I thought that
Speaker 4: was a warning shot to that guy. You know, I
Speaker 4: didn't even think that was yeah, because I'm the I'm
Speaker 4: the executive producer of my show. I report directly to
Speaker 4: Jimmy and Bob, So I'm not really viewing anybody as
Speaker 4: I I say everybody, like pat calls out his boss,
Speaker 4: I don't got a motherfucking boss. What do we know?
Speaker 4: Like what do we Jim Pear, we talk to Jimmy
Speaker 4: Patarro or Bob Iger, Like, is that who we're talking about?
Speaker 4: Because those are people that could technically be described as
Speaker 4: my boss, and like Burke Magnus as well, and have
Speaker 4: a great relationship with him. I think even Burke would
Speaker 4: say like, yeah, like we have a good relate, like
Speaker 4: we are talking like this as opposed to like this,
Speaker 4: And so that was just a warning shot to I
Speaker 4: thought a person that was you know at the same
Speaker 4: which is hilarious because he's the former president of the
Speaker 4: place I guess a lot of people were had a
Speaker 4: lot of fear of them. I did not, like, I
Speaker 4: do not have I that guy. That guy left me
Speaker 4: sitting in his office for forty five minutes. No showed
Speaker 4: me when I was supposed to have a meeting with him,
Speaker 4: right when five years ago, six years ago whatever show,
Speaker 4: No showed Yeah, wow, yeah, so you remember that, what's that?
Speaker 4: And you remember that it's things a fucking elephant Brandy? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I got everybody's yeah. He also he also banned all
Speaker 4: my friends from coming on my show, so there was, uh,
Speaker 4: there was a ban of ESPN talent on my show
Speaker 4: on YouTube that came directly from him, which so much
Speaker 4: show that I started a hashtag ESPN stinks. The day
Speaker 4: that everybody got banned from show, you know, only trended
Speaker 4: for like eight nine hours or something like that. And
Speaker 4: then that's the next day is when I met Jimmy Patarro.
Speaker 4: Jimmy Patarro called me and said like, hey, how do
Speaker 4: we you know, what's the deal? And I told him
Speaker 4: about you guys are banning my friends from coming on
Speaker 4: my show. Matt Hasselback, who worked at ESPN, Jeff Pass
Speaker 4: and worked at the ESPN. Dan Orlovski worked at ESPN.
Speaker 4: All these people that I've known since before they got
Speaker 4: into ESPN, Like they're not even allowed to come on
Speaker 4: my podcast or whatever or my YouTube show. You guys
Speaker 4: banned it. So like that guy was not a fan
Speaker 4: of me or our operation for a long time. So
Speaker 4: then whenever ESPN signs us and he runs sports Center
Speaker 4: and our show is now in place of sports Center
Speaker 4: at noon. I'm a fan of sports Center. We all
Speaker 4: watched Sports Center I grew up on. But there became
Speaker 4: like a war almost from behind scenes from like sports
Speaker 4: Center people and like people that have been in ESPN
Speaker 4: a long time against us coming in and take in
Speaker 4: their jobs and all this other shit. And I didn't
Speaker 4: see it like that. We were like pumped that we
Speaker 4: made it to the big leagues, Like hey, I'm pumped,
Speaker 4: We're on the Worldwide Leap, Like that's how I viewed it.
Speaker 4: And this is what I'm talking about, playing a checkers player,
Speaker 4: like get the ESPN deal done. I'm like, this is awesome,
Speaker 4: Like we joined the ESPN team, so lucky to be here.
Speaker 4: We get access, and then immediately it's like this guy sucks.
Speaker 4: This guy's ruining ESPN and it's not coming from people
Speaker 4: outside of ESPN. It was coming from people within ESPN,
Speaker 4: and I did not expect that at all. So I
Speaker 4: immediately like, okay, I'm in war, Like that's what if
Speaker 4: that's what we're doing. We're in war. And then once
Speaker 4: you start learning about how shit's going behind scenes, things
Speaker 4: that are being said to people, things that are being leaked,
Speaker 4: the timing in which they're being leaked, it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: they're trying to kill me, Like they're trying to They're
Speaker 4: trying to make our show impossible to advertise with, They're
Speaker 4: trying to make sure people don't watch our show. So like,
Speaker 4: as I started learning that, I'm like, all right, well
Speaker 4: that's not gonna I don't know how this has gone
Speaker 4: in the past with other people, but yeah, this particular
Speaker 4: white trash kid from Pittsburgh, like, hey, suits, this ain't
Speaker 4: this is not how this is going to go. So
Speaker 4: that was just a warning shot I did that wasn't
Speaker 4: even like supposed to be U And then obviously it
Speaker 4: goes big and I heard from this is no lie,
Speaker 4: no less than like forty people that have worked at
Speaker 4: ESPN or used to work at ESPN, and they were like,
Speaker 4: thank you for saying what you said, and I was like, well,
Speaker 4: if I really crafted a statement about that, I mean,
Speaker 4: I could have said something much better. But I also
Speaker 4: did not appreciate the thing I didn't think about once again,
Speaker 4: Checkers player. I did not expect the backlash afterwards. Like
Speaker 4: Burke Magnus just became the president of Content at ESPN.
Speaker 4: I think he has a great vision for what the
Speaker 4: future of sports media should look like. He was a
Speaker 4: big part of us joining ESPN. People were attacking Burke
Speaker 4: because it made him look sloppy because it's inside the building.
Speaker 4: People are attacking Jimmy because it looked sloppy. And that
Speaker 4: was something that I did not think about. I was
Speaker 4: very apologetic about, like I didn't mean to take down
Speaker 4: my allies or make allies look bad in the whole thing.
Speaker 4: But I, Jenny only did not expect it to get
Speaker 4: as big as it did, because I didn't think I
Speaker 4: said anything that was like that crazy or like I'm
Speaker 4: a pretty good talker, you know, I'm a pretty good
Speaker 4: promo cutter. Like if I really wanted to sew motherfucker
Speaker 4: down like I thought, I could have done it in
Speaker 4: a much bigger way. And I did not. So I
Speaker 4: was actually pretty proud of myself. I was like, look
Speaker 4: at me, I'm an adult. And then it got loud.
Speaker 4: I'm an ad I'm an adult. It got real loud,
Speaker 4: got real loud. But yeah, that'll be me forever, and
Speaker 4: it'll be a gift in a curse.
Speaker 1: We appreciate and respect it. Right here, quick hitters, finishing
Speaker 1: up the show. First thing to come to mind. Top
Speaker 1: five special team players in NFL history.
Speaker 4: Top five.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I got to have my guy on here.
Speaker 4: We got Adam Vinitari on there. Okay, we'll have Justin
Speaker 4: Tucker on there, Brandon Slater on there from the Patriots,
Speaker 4: Devin Hester.
Speaker 2: Chicago, be on there.
Speaker 4: Who's yours? Who's your guy?
Speaker 2: Let you go. I'm gonna let you go. Five Dante Hall,
Speaker 2: Bill Bates.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, Bill Bates talking. But I will put Bill
Speaker 4: I do not, but he's on my list.
Speaker 2: He was the animal specialist, the cowboy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agreed. Bill Bates. Was that dog putting Bill
Speaker 4: Bates at five? Yeah, Bill Bates. Now he's a monster.
Speaker 4: Bill Bates is a monster. That guy when he was
Speaker 4: on the field, man, he was the guy. But then
Speaker 4: like Shane Leckler's in there as well because he was
Speaker 4: so good. Mike Ciphers, Yeah, there's a bunch. There's a
Speaker 4: bunch of men. Hell yeah, congrats of the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Julius Peppers made as well.
Speaker 4: Yes, Freenie made it all. Reggie needs make it next year. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Vinnie's up next year. First time.
Speaker 2: Yes, agreed, dream interview our guest on your show that
Speaker 2: you would like to have.
Speaker 4: M So Roger Goodell is scared to come on the show, Okay,
Speaker 4: but yeah he has never said he's scared. But that's
Speaker 4: just my whole angle. Hopefully I'll be able to bait
Speaker 4: him into coming on the show.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: I had to start openly calling him out saying he
Speaker 4: was scared because he was doing a lot of interviews.
Speaker 4: He's going on a lot of shows. We put a
Speaker 4: request in like every week for the last like five
Speaker 4: years to have him on the show. And Brian McCarthy,
Speaker 4: I think, is the nfl PR guy. He knows of us,
Speaker 4: you know. So Roger Goodell coming on the show would
Speaker 4: be good. But that's going to be in person, you know,
Speaker 4: because you know, we have some questions. But Roger Goodell
Speaker 4: is like the greatest speaker of all time, which is
Speaker 4: always my thing to him, like, hey, don't be scared,
Speaker 4: rog don't be scared. You're a guy that can dance.
Speaker 4: But I have great admiration for the work that he's
Speaker 4: done as a businessman for the NFL and what he's
Speaker 4: been able to guide the NFL through. So I think
Speaker 4: the conversation with Roger Gadell would be dope and elon musk. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean that would be because I think he's an
Speaker 4: actual alien. That's a whole other conversation, definitely is that
Speaker 4: motherfucker's not from here. He even builds his own rocket
Speaker 4: ships to go to space. He's doing it right in
Speaker 4: front of us, our face. He's doing it right in
Speaker 4: front of our face.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was wondering if we could do that, guad and
Speaker 4: plug a chip in your fucking brain.
Speaker 2: No, no, you can't.
Speaker 4: And he's like, well, I got these rocket ships to
Speaker 4: go to space. It's like okay. And then he's digging
Speaker 4: tunnels better than anybody in history, right, better than anybody
Speaker 4: in his making.
Speaker 5: The Mexican drug cartels look like child's play.
Speaker 4: Hey, what's his face getting out of that jail hopping
Speaker 4: on a motors? They said, he hopped on a motorcycle
Speaker 4: with lighting down the entire tunnel.
Speaker 2: As they passed the light, they bust them so nobody
Speaker 2: couldn't follow them. Somebody could follow, You're right.
Speaker 4: I mean there's some great tunnel builders out there, Childhood Crush,
Speaker 4: you know, Kelly Kapowski. They probably saved by the door.
Speaker 4: I think I watched saved by the bell's see. I
Speaker 4: think that's yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that would probably be Tiffany Everythis that's her name, right, see,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, she say by the back and
Speaker 1: then she went to Beverly Hills nine or two.
Speaker 4: And no, see, I didn't make the transition.
Speaker 2: I'm not ashamed. It wanted to be one. I didn't.
Speaker 2: He tried out for you know what.
Speaker 4: Screech made transition into slinging dick that rest in peace
Speaker 4: to the screechsts, very dead, very dead dick resting piece
Speaker 4: he did though, That was his thing.
Speaker 8: Great transition, not like Drake, but a different, you know,
Speaker 8: different level. She scores like, dude, oh goodness, what's your
Speaker 8: guilty pleasure?
Speaker 2: Pat watching people slang dick? Yeah?
Speaker 4: That was that Drake thing was messed up, wasn't it.
Speaker 2: I didn't see it I'm yes, you did.
Speaker 4: It was in everybody's algorithm like that.
Speaker 5: By the time I saw it was blurred out, So
Speaker 5: I'm glad I missed the beginning to well.
Speaker 4: It was a massive blur, is what we're That's what
Speaker 4: we're talking about, Dick, that your algorithm is taking care
Speaker 4: of you, because I want to let you know. I
Speaker 4: woke up to take my morning ship, just basic morning ship.
Speaker 4: That's all I'm doing. It's going on the internet, you know,
Speaker 4: open it up. Well, I guess I don't think he
Speaker 4: did well after watching a video. I mean he probably did.
Speaker 2: I mean that was that's just to strategic.
Speaker 4: Anyways, the internet's wild right now, guilty pleasure. I don't honestly,
Speaker 4: I I uh, I work. I don't know that kind
Speaker 4: of it's kind of bumming me out now now I'm
Speaker 4: thinking about my hobbies and ship. I don't really have
Speaker 4: any I should pick them up. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Just work, man, what's the grind? What's your work week? Like,
Speaker 1: what's a what's an average Monday through Friday? How many
Speaker 1: hours you putting in a week?
Speaker 4: I don't know. And calling it work as a joke too,
Speaker 4: by the way, but you get it, like showing up
Speaker 4: and trying to profit off of stuff. The I'll wake up.
Speaker 4: You know, got a baby, so wake up when she's
Speaker 4: up like six thirty ish, see baby for forty five
Speaker 4: minutes or so, hang out, let her know I exist,
Speaker 4: then head into Thunderdome, get a workout in. Then I
Speaker 4: probably have like three zoom calls in the morning, depending
Speaker 4: upon future ad deals, maybe scheming with companies that were
Speaker 4: already with and everything like that. Then we're planning show,
Speaker 4: and the show plan is just like group text pretty much.
Speaker 4: We don't have a bloc, B block, C block. It's
Speaker 4: a three hour promo. We're just three hours of shit
Speaker 4: talking and anything that shows up in our group text
Speaker 4: could come up on the show. So like the boys
Speaker 4: just kind of have to know like to be on
Speaker 4: our show, and it's why I'm so thankful for our guys.
Speaker 4: Like anything that shows up in the group text, which
Speaker 4: is active all day all night, like could come up
Speaker 4: like if I just in my head, oh wait, didn't
Speaker 4: I see something, and then boom, We're right into a
Speaker 4: conversation about it. So that's like probably the last two
Speaker 4: hours before we go live at noon noon to three,
Speaker 4: three thirty four. We got the show, probably a couple
Speaker 4: of meetings afterwards, and I'm out of there like six,
Speaker 4: six thirty seven. Then the game days on Saturday during
Speaker 4: the football season, and then Monday Night raw Is on
Speaker 4: Monday nights. After the show, I'll fly to wherever Monday
Speaker 4: Night raw Is, fly back to Indie for show Tuesday morning,
Speaker 4: and then kind of put that on repeat.
Speaker 2: You know, his home here is homew Yeah, okay, everything's
Speaker 2: based out here. I love it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't you know. I drove down here. We're
Speaker 4: supposed to take twenty seven minutes. It took like an
Speaker 4: hour because the snowstorm.
Speaker 2: Change a little bit. Yeah, we appreciate you making time.
Speaker 4: No, but like this is when this happens, you think
Speaker 4: to yourself, why do I live in Indianapolis?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 4: Lake Lake, Lake Lake Lake, Like easy, by Jesus, want
Speaker 4: my fucking address?
Speaker 2: Stack in the city is huge.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not in Carnmeble. A lot of suits at
Speaker 4: Carmel definitely one offense, beautiful place.
Speaker 5: One thing you wish you were better at.
Speaker 4: M as crazy as it sounds like communication, So like
Speaker 4: I mighta show him good business, good you know, but
Speaker 4: I think my wife would tell me that I could
Speaker 4: be better.
Speaker 1: I think, like I tell the same thing about I
Speaker 1: get paid to talk all day, and I need to
Speaker 1: learn how to communicate better with her.
Speaker 2: It's funny you said that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like her and like, you know, like there's
Speaker 4: so many different chapters and eras of my life. It's
Speaker 4: like if I see people from my past, it'll be
Speaker 4: like we never missed a day. But like I'm not
Speaker 4: good at like keeping up with people, you know, like
Speaker 4: I get so wrapped up in work, in what I'm doing.
Speaker 4: I'm not good at like keeping in touch with people
Speaker 4: that I genuinely care about, you know, like people that
Speaker 4: I don't really see often and aren't in my sphere
Speaker 4: on a regular basis. Like I'm not good at sending
Speaker 4: like hey, what's up? You know, like I like posts
Speaker 4: on the internet, and like in my eyes, i'll like
Speaker 4: be like see like I'm paying I want them to know,
Speaker 4: like I still appreciate them. But I think I could
Speaker 4: be a much better, like personal communicator in my life.
Speaker 4: And I think enjoying life a little bit more, Like
Speaker 4: I enjoy my work, but like I'm always on my
Speaker 4: phone when I'm home, Like I try my best to
Speaker 4: be present, like I do but like all that shit,
Speaker 4: like being a human a little bit better.
Speaker 5: I think I would like to get dot on our
Speaker 5: hands wheels and get going.
Speaker 4: It's crazy, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, we're talking about any counseling. It's a
Speaker 2: session right here. But for real, it's funny saying.
Speaker 4: Okay, so you go to counseling. I'm scared to go
Speaker 4: because it's all working for me. I don't want to change.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's about what's not working. It's just
Speaker 1: working and finding the tools to be able to make
Speaker 1: what you're looking for work.
Speaker 2: You know, how do you balance that? How do you
Speaker 2: communicate that? How do you how are you present in
Speaker 2: the moment?
Speaker 4: Because I'm good, like at work right now, very like
Speaker 4: I'm great, I'm having.
Speaker 2: The best We literally just had this in our counseling.
Speaker 1: Like I get paid a lot of money to talk
Speaker 1: to the world, but have issues talking to the people
Speaker 1: I love the most.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like I always feel like I'm gonna interrupt them,
Speaker 4: like I don't want to, you know, like that whole thing.
Speaker 4: So okay, So I should think about maybe talking to somebody.
Speaker 4: How about this ayahuasca?
Speaker 2: Like that I talk to somebody's who they talking to
Speaker 2: with day problems. That's why somebody with problems.
Speaker 4: And are they taking? Hey are they taking? And my
Speaker 4: problems really just lay away with that person. They're taking
Speaker 4: it to somebody else and then they're bringing it back
Speaker 4: about over raty. But I in Waska, I'm scared to death.
Speaker 2: I want to try that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but like reset your brain. I'm like, I'm in
Speaker 4: a good spot. Like my brain, I don't need to
Speaker 4: reset stack. You do not look cool. You look cool.
Speaker 1: You look I'm gonna get your paragator booths.
Speaker 5: I need to get your number after this, padle me
Speaker 5: get Jackson case cases.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yeah yeah Texas right out of here.
Speaker 2: I got that out of the.
Speaker 4: What's that place to go?
Speaker 7: Down there?
Speaker 2: And the boot barn?
Speaker 4: Come on, man, pull it, pull it put.
Speaker 2: Stockyards stock Okay, you is the spot though, I'm telling you.
Speaker 4: I was a couple of barns down there. I don't
Speaker 4: know which one was the boot. There's a lot of
Speaker 4: barn there's a lot of barns down there. I got
Speaker 4: a cowboy hat, I got a belt buckle, I got
Speaker 4: these fucking boots. I mean I was yeah, I was
Speaker 4: really in there.
Speaker 2: I was really in there one guess you would like
Speaker 2: to see on All the Smoke, but you have to
Speaker 2: help us get your answer on the show.
Speaker 1: Oh so booking for you guys just one time basically,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like it's not like you're it's
Speaker 1: not it's not like.
Speaker 7: You're busy booking your own ship. But yeah, one time
Speaker 7: for us. Hey, not a bad, Hey, not a bad,
Speaker 7: A bad little quick hitter. Hey, who you're booking on
Speaker 7: our show?
Speaker 4: I think Aaron would love your show. Has he been
Speaker 4: on from North cal He hasn't yet. I think you Yeah,
Speaker 4: I will drop the work right. I think Peyton would be.
Speaker 2: Good on this be the one because I definitely want
Speaker 2: to talk to about the I.
Speaker 4: Was, Hey, he's got the answer.
Speaker 2: He's in there and they got that, they got told,
Speaker 2: they got some. I want to try the.
Speaker 4: Back of the toad.
Speaker 2: Have you talked to Mike Tyson?
Speaker 4: Never?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's I think you guys would vibe Okay. I
Speaker 2: don't want to shoot on myself, so yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: want to do that. I don't want to get high
Speaker 2: and shipp on myself.
Speaker 4: You're talking about the told told, I heard it's coming
Speaker 4: basement and ada know, I'm cool I'm cool.
Speaker 2: I just put it. I think you and Mike you're
Speaker 2: trying to hit this.
Speaker 4: I think the I don't know which dimension you're trying
Speaker 4: to get to. But boy, I heard once you bust
Speaker 4: through four, you know, because we're in the third one, right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: once you bust through four. From what I've been told,
Speaker 4: you're really living up there. From what I've been told,
Speaker 4: seventhethh dimension.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to go that high.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 4: No, Yeah, you're fucking yeah Cloud ten. They said, maybe
Speaker 4: you mentioned ten. You're up there Mike Tyson though, Yeah,
Speaker 4: so obviously you know Mike Tyson's fucking Mike Tyson. So like,
Speaker 4: I know who Mike Tyson is, and I think everything
Speaker 4: that he has done to kind of like bounce I
Speaker 4: don't say bounce back, but like, yeah, is so fantastic
Speaker 4: inspiring Austin. Like when he starts talking, I love listening
Speaker 4: because I think what a lot of people forget is
Speaker 4: like there's not a lot of Mike Tyson's in like Kobe's.
Speaker 4: There's only a few ones that have ever existed, you know,
Speaker 4: you talk about like MJ. Kobe, those people. Mike Tyson's
Speaker 4: up in there, Serena Williams is up in like up
Speaker 4: in those levels. So when that person speaking, I am
Speaker 4: going to be listening, like that is Tom Brady, Peyton Manning,
Speaker 4: like those fuckers that are up there. Like so Mike
Speaker 4: in the way he's been so transparent and authentic and
Speaker 4: everything he's done. Obviously I have become a massive fan
Speaker 4: of his. So when I do the SPI's. That happened
Speaker 4: like two days beforehand. It was decided that I was
Speaker 4: going to do the SP's because they didn't have a
Speaker 4: host because there was a writer's strike going on everything
Speaker 4: like that. So Jimmy Pittar and I were talking and
Speaker 4: it came up and he basically said, like I forget
Speaker 4: how it came up, but it was announced moments before.
Speaker 4: I talked to Jimmy Pataro that there was gonna be
Speaker 4: no host for the SP's like literally moments before. So
Speaker 4: I brought it up and he was like, yeah, we don't,
Speaker 4: And I said that'd be easy work. I said to Jimmy,
Speaker 4: that'd be easy work. You know, it's like stand up
Speaker 4: for ten minutes in the SP's Like that's easy. It's
Speaker 4: like two days from now though, he said, like it's
Speaker 4: like in two days or whatever. I'm like, easy work,
Speaker 4: no problem at all. I was like, if you guys
Speaker 4: want me to do it, I would love to do it.
Speaker 4: I'd be honored to do it. And Jimmy goes, okay,
Speaker 4: let's do it. I was like deal. So they tell
Speaker 4: the person running the SPI's his name's Connorshell. Used to
Speaker 4: work at ESPN. Connorshell now he left ESPN and he
Speaker 4: has a production company that does the SP's and NFL honors.
Speaker 4: He was not necessarily as pumped that I was going to. Okah,
Speaker 4: he was not necessarily as pumped as I was to
Speaker 4: get to do the opportunity. So they wanted me to
Speaker 4: send over what my open was going to be, you know,
Speaker 4: so they could punch it up, put some jokes in
Speaker 4: and everything like make it better. So no fucking chance
Speaker 4: am I sending over what I'm actually going to say
Speaker 4: to these people. So I type up a big fake speech.
Speaker 4: I type up a fake speech. Took me seventy five
Speaker 4: minutes to type up this fake speech. But in the
Speaker 4: fake speech had all the beats because I knew, like
Speaker 4: camera people would want to know potentially who we could shoot.
Speaker 4: So like tomar obviously I'm gonna talk about tomorrow. I
Speaker 4: want to talk about these people. So I make fake
Speaker 4: speech but put the people that wouldn't even be like.
Speaker 4: I felt very proud of what I did. I was like,
Speaker 4: it's good. I'm I'm doing it. Boys. You know, the
Speaker 4: boys were helping me.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: It was it was a pretty cool thing. So that
Speaker 4: whole story behind the scenes of the sb's is a
Speaker 4: that is awesome. That is awesome. It involves me saying
Speaker 4: I don't care what you say, Like I'm gonna go
Speaker 4: out there and do my thing and you're either gonna
Speaker 4: hate it or love it. But there's nothing new or
Speaker 4: I could do at this point, you know, because Jimmy
Speaker 4: told him.
Speaker 5: It's above me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's above you too. So everybody so like,
Speaker 4: this is how it's gonna go. So there was a
Speaker 4: little tension. I think Connor, good guy by the way,
Speaker 4: got a chance to chat with him before, during, and after,
Speaker 4: great relationship. I think he would say the same. But
Speaker 4: as I walk on the stage, Mike Tyson's front fucking row,
Speaker 4: like right here, and it was at that moment I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm at the SV like Mike Tyson is right here.
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelsey were right here. I think Jamal
Speaker 4: was over here. I think there was like all the
Speaker 4: big names. Lindsay Vaughan I think was sitting right here,
Speaker 4: and I was like, damn. Like Mike Tyson though. As
Speaker 4: I turned the corner, He's the first person I see,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, fuck, I'm at the SP's so I
Speaker 4: start talking nothing. I see Mike's space. This fucker is
Speaker 4: not budgeting, and I'm like, Okay, Mike's not about my bullshit.
Speaker 4: You know, Mike does not know I exist. About four
Speaker 4: minutes in, I got Mike to pop and I saw
Speaker 4: him laugh and I was like, so, Paul, I was like,
Speaker 4: I got, I got Mike Tyson And in the middle
Speaker 4: of it, I almost stopped and was like, Mike exactly.
Speaker 4: I was so pumped a by it. So I love Mike.
Speaker 4: So if you guys are booking Mike Tyson on.
Speaker 2: My show, well we'll do across.
Speaker 5: See what we can do.
Speaker 4: Who do you want you want? All right, I'll send
Speaker 4: a text.
Speaker 1: I got no power over this motherfucker, and we have
Speaker 1: no power of Mike, but we have his old person
Speaker 1: needs to run the show that works for us, So
Speaker 1: we're good.
Speaker 4: He's micro dosing and ship out of mushrooms.
Speaker 2: Right, And I heard see was eating the Ears Ears.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, hey Mike, I'm a supporter, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah I saw that in his pocket. Yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: They're pretty good too. They're strong. Yeah, they're fantastic.
Speaker 4: One. I was just out of Vegas playing thirteen the Issues.
Speaker 4: I put in my back pocket and I run hot.
Speaker 4: So we got two to three sticking together, right now.
Speaker 5: Come come in your way, coming hot, come in your way.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, we're just in Vegas for cheers. Yeah, here's I'll
Speaker 4: take the one and a half.
Speaker 2: Just give me the one. Cheers.
Speaker 4: Hey, cheers you CB the only, yeah, CB, the only,
Speaker 4: obviously the only.
Speaker 2: Oh those are those are warmed. I was butt all
Speaker 2: over that.
Speaker 4: You guys. You guys got a little ass Ears.
Speaker 2: Hey. We want to thank you man again. Uh thank you.
Speaker 5: You know the trail you've blazed being able to do
Speaker 5: it your way on the biggest scale.
Speaker 2: We admired that.
Speaker 5: We respected Ears and keep doing your thing, man, Thanks
Speaker 5: for your time giving up.
Speaker 2: Pat mcabee, look you brother, appreciate you guys.
Speaker 4: Love it