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Speaker 1: Well, let's do this, shall we Let's do it. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk about the documentary and football and Jerry and your

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Speaker 1: experience here, America's team, the Gambler and his Cowboys on Netflix,

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Speaker 1: and our special guest, the last coach in Dallas to

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Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl with the Dallas Cowboys ninety five season.

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Speaker 1: So you're featured in the documentary. You sat down and

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Speaker 1: and perspective, and like to delve a little deeper into that.

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Speaker 1: First of all, what did you think of the documentary

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Speaker 2: Well, I was shocked. I have a beard on.

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Speaker 3: I forgot I had a beer, have a lot more

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Speaker 3: Jerry asked me to come down and do this Netflix

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Speaker 3: they said, yeah, they'll pay you. I said, okay. I

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Speaker 3: and I forgot where. No, we watched some studio Netflix

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Speaker 3: It's fun bringing back old memories. Questions they asked. I

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Speaker 2: I said, Jerry, why do you do that to make

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Speaker 1: And yeah, what was that experience like?

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Speaker 3: I found out things I did not know it happened.

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Speaker 3: I did not know about Michael's I knew about the

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Speaker 3: All these things that came out. I'm kind of shocked

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Speaker 2: I remember the experience of that.

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Speaker 3: I called we Well, never forget Jerry, and I called

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Speaker 3: and I shook my head. Michael said, coach, mister Jones,

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Speaker 3: They thought they were keeping out the private out of

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Speaker 2: But trying to do the wrong thing the right way.

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Speaker 1: Describe the first time you ever met Jerry Jones in

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Speaker 2: I saw him as a seventeen year old freshman University

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Speaker 3: And I said, this guy's wired up a little bit different.

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Speaker 3: He was always upset about that, missing out on that.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know if you're old enough to remember

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Speaker 2: There for spring.

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Speaker 3: None of us could play today and out of one

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Speaker 2: Back in that era, we had to play both ways.

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Speaker 3: I played in college football when you didn't have a

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Speaker 2: But that it was a good era.

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Speaker 1: You What did you think when you read or saw

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you exactly how it happened. I'm single. I'm

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Speaker 2: I used to go when they were over from back

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Speaker 3: And I said, yeah, I do. Why do you ask?

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Speaker 2: I promise you.

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Speaker 3: If that playing is losing as much money as they

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Speaker 1: So what was your reaction to him firing Tom Landry

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Speaker 3: You know what, Jerry tried to do the right thing.

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Speaker 3: Jerry flew down there. How many most people read it

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Speaker 3: So Jerry, Hilarry's smart and so anyway, Larry's with Jimmy

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Speaker 3: Lace Will said, it hits that table, that everything whis everywhere,

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Speaker 3: For two months, and uh, I lived with him and

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Speaker 3: I said, yeah, I want you tear it up. Oh,

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Speaker 3: And he says, I'll get my attorney. My lawyer and

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Speaker 2: My guy said Jerry, you want to wait another night. No,

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I did say that to him too, but

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Speaker 3: Back to Baxter fact and after I told the team

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Speaker 3: I said, hey, that was their problem. I don't know

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Speaker 3: your mouth shut, you don't know anything. I'm thinking about

437
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 3: what we're doing game planning, or the organization of the playbook, whatever,

438
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,399
Speaker 3: doing offensively defensively. I know what you get involved in

439
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 3: that And he said, I'm not. I just want to

440
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 3: to don't see what's going on. And he bought the

441
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 3: team he ought to be able to go anywhere wants

442
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,879
Speaker 3: in the damn place. So so after about two weeks

443
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 3: of this, cam Pasey, Dave comes to my office and

444
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 3: I love Dave. Dave, Yeah, I love Dave. Dave Campbell.

445
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 3: Dave walks into the office and says, he said, Barry,

446
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you something. Jerry's the hell of a guy.

447
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,120
Speaker 3: He says, you don't want all we all staffers knew

448
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 3: is what Jerry Jimmy told us he was. And he's

449
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 3: not anything like what Jimmy said he was. And I

450
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 3: looked at him and laughed and I said, I told

451
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 3: you so. Yeah, there's a good guy.

452
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 1: You would coach. Troy uh briefly at Oklahoma recruited him.

453
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,159
Speaker 1: Did what was his initial reaction to this whole thing.

454
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 1: I mean, he only knew one way to win in

455
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:51,159
Speaker 1: the NFL, and that was Jay's.

456
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 2: Well.

457
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,640
Speaker 3: The difference is it was the first transition he's ever

458
00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 3: had to make you know, every coach in here, it's

459
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,120
Speaker 3: a staff, and every coach does it differently, every every

460
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 3: every coach has a different way in style summer screamers

461
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 3: and hollers and uh, coach with fear and all that

462
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,880
Speaker 3: book and I'm I'm I'm a real I I coach

463
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 3: with positive influence. I I try to get to know

464
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 3: my players, spend time with them. I wanted to know

465
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 3: me more importantly, And uh, I it takes time to

466
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 3: do that. More so going out in the field and

467
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 3: acted out for a camera maybe. And I wasn't any

468
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 3: into that, never have been. And people try to mic

469
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 3: me up for games before, and I said, the hell

470
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 3: with that. I don't want nothing to do with that.

471
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 3: I want to be me when I'm on the sideline.

472
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,959
Speaker 3: Then I want to be an actor. And uh, I

473
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 3: see so many of them being an actors on stage,

474
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 3: got them mighty and you know I'm talking about you've

475
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 3: seen them.

476
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,959
Speaker 2: And I wasn't that way.

477
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 3: And I said, uh, uh, you know you always have

478
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 3: to get get had it from my way and accept

479
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 3: my way of doing it things. And it's gonna be

480
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 3: that way. I saw Troy eight but in high school.

481
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 3: I said, he's got the hit factor. I'd never seen

482
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,880
Speaker 3: a guy throw football like that in my life. And

483
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 3: I said, my god, he was something. When he we

484
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 3: signed him and brought him in. We we were going

485
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 3: to change our offense. I had Marcus dpri Now, I

486
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 3: had Keith Jackson tight end. I had two pretty good

487
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 3: receivers white outs.

488
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 2: You know. I thought we were going to do that.

489
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 2: The Marcus leaves, so we're back to the wishboat.

490
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,199
Speaker 3: We go back to the wishball and Troy breaks is like,

491
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 3: and you know what, we would have won the National

492
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 3: Championship eighty five if Troy hadn't got hurt too, and

493
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 3: Jamail would have played. Troy would have played. Both of

494
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 3: them have played. But we had a different package for

495
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 3: Troy versus what the package we had Jamail. But I

496
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 3: understood Troy needed to be at an offense where he

497
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 3: throw his football, protect him and throw the football because

498
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 3: that was his forte. He wasn't running the football. And

499
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 3: and Troy is a big, tall, physical kid. He wasn't

500
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 3: but one hundred and forty six pounds one hundred and

501
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 3: ninety six pounds when he's playing for me as a freshman,

502
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 3: and he ran a four sixty five forty believe it

503
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 3: or not. You know he ran four against Miami and Norman.

504
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 3: When we lost that one game, he ran forty eight

505
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 3: yards for a touchdown to call back on the option play.

506
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 3: So you know he had the ability to make plays

507
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 3: running the ball, but not like Jamail Holloway did.

508
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: And he was a proven quarterback in the NFL, a

509
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 1: two times Super Bowl champion.

510
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 2: Leap when you inherited, you bet you bet well, let

511
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 2: me tell you.

512
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 3: I'll tell you a story that proofs this. I'm at

513
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 3: the I'm at the Hula Bowl coaching Tony Cassius. Tony Cassius,

514
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 3: I said, well, you're the best Mexican ever played for me,

515
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 3: but you're the only Mexican ever played for mere. Tony

516
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 3: was a great football player, sac Ad player. Picking the draft.

517
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 3: H had Bo Jackson, first defensive lineman to go in

518
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 3: the draft. And we're at the Hula Bowl in the

519
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 3: Loha Stadium High School over here. Teams alternated back and forth,

520
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 3: and I always wanted to get the guys at the

521
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 3: beach because I wanted to go beach too, So we

522
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 3: always went in early and we'll come back over to

523
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 3: the Loha stadium and other teams working out, they're doing

524
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 3: their seven on seven and uh and I walk in

525
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 3: there and.

526
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 2: All these thirty forty scouts standing.

527
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 3: Here and I walk over the middle of I know

528
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 3: you every one of them, because every one of them

529
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 3: came to the Oklahoma and I'm looking at this seven

530
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 3: on seven watching this quarterback. I said, is this guy

531
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 3: the number one pick? And they said, yeah, he's the

532
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 3: number one pick, Jeff George out of Illinois or I

533
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 3: don't know, Doue Illinois, Illinois. And I said, well, guys,

534
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 3: I got a sophomore at Overahome much better than this guy.

535
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,479
Speaker 3: They all, who are They all laughter?

536
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 2: Ass off? They laughed like hell? And you know what,

537
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 2: I said, Well, by guy, I do, I got a quarterback.

538
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 2: I know. What do you know about talents? You're a

539
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 2: wishful guy. You don't know about polk quarterbacks. I said,

540
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 2: I know talent and I know I got a back.

541
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 2: All Hey, coch coach.

542
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 3: When after two years later, all the safe scouts came

543
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 3: through Oklahoma, they all said, hey, coach, you're right.

544
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: I said, you bet your ass I was right.

545
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: How did you look at the challenge placing Jimmy inheriting

546
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: his coaches, his players.

547
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 2: And ris expectations.

548
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 3: Tough, tough job. I'm telling you it was a tough job.

549
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 3: I mean it's a tougher job. And I think any

550
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 3: coach has ever had, what coaches ever had to come

551
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 3: take on Eric, someone else's staff that's been with him

552
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 3: through college, in the pros and all.

553
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: The most of them too. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, all that.

554
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 3: And and if we don't go out there, it gets

555
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: San Francisco, and out there it'd be down twenty one

556
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 3: to nothing in the first five minutes.

557
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 2: Of the game.

558
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 3: Then we fought back twenty one to fourteen the first half.

559
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 3: We got a chance. We're back in the game now

560
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 3: to bad down twenty one to nothing the first five minutes,

561
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 3: and I did something happened. You don't know, Ernie Zampaz.

562
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 3: We just gone sco at eight, r Drivenie. We had

563
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 3: a minute twenty seconds left to go on the half,

564
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 3: and I said, Ernie, run Emmitt three times and we'll

565
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 3: punt the football and the hat's over. We're gonna go to

566
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 3: locker room. We got the momentum, and oh, Ernie begging,

567
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 3: begging me, coach, coach, we just scored.

568
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 2: Go, let's go. We can go get a field goal.

569
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 2: Come on, we got enough time. You gonna make this happen.

570
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 3: I said, Ernie, the best the thing to do is

571
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 3: run Emmitt three times and punk the damn football if

572
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 3: we don't make a first down. And I then talked

573
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 3: me into it. He throwed, we throw three incompletions, we

574
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 3: have to punt the football. They hit Jerry Rice on

575
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 3: a fingertiped catch going out of the end zone with

576
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 3: no time left on the clock.

577
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 2: You remember that, Remember that play?

578
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 3: You think I don't dog cuss myself all the way

579
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 3: to the locker room. I'm cussing myself, You stupid son

580
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 3: of them.

581
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 2: You knew what to do. What do you let someone

582
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 2: that talk you into it when you knew what to do?

583
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 2: It's my damn fault. We're were in the situation we're

584
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 2: in now.

585
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'll never forget tell of Night Newton, the

586
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 3: offensive lineman, those guys before we went back after for

587
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 3: the third kickoff defense that ain't been out there played yet.

588
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 3: We're down twenty one and nothing, and I we're taking

589
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 3: our fourth kickoff and first five minutes of the game.

590
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 3: And I turned all those guys and I said, you

591
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 3: know what's great about being down fifty five, been down

592
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 3: twenty one and nothing but fifty five minutes to go

593
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 3: in the game.

594
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: You know what's great about this?

595
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 3: That's And they all looked at me like it's crazy,

596
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 3: And I said, because you've got fifty five minutes to

597
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 3: get back in this sort of them, And we did.

598
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 3: If he'd been fifty twenty one to nothing but five

599
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 3: minutes to go in the game, we didn't just get

600
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 3: on the bus go home. But no, we have chants

601
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 3: and because because the build in talent of the team.

602
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: But Detroit describes it as one of the games he's

603
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: most proud of. I lost in an NFC championship game.

604
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: That's one of things because of the heart.

605
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 3: Everybody shows down twenty one and nothing come back. Make

606
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 3: it twenty one, fourteen to eighty yard drives in a

607
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 3: row with them. Hey, close the gap. Hey, I'll tell

608
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 3: you what San Francisco said. Hey, they're coming back. But

609
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 3: on Hank at the rebound fumble, you know, one at

610
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 3: the end zone, Eric Williams fumbles in front of the

611
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 3: gold line. First played the game, we throw an interception. Ah,

612
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 3: he's it was a nightmare. I could not believe what

613
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 3: I was looking at out there. The worst performance we

614
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 3: played all years in the day, most important game anybody's

615
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 3: gonna beat San Diego for Super Bowl?

616
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: And what are your critics have to say about what

617
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: you just described?

618
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: Well, I won't give it. You know. I knew what

619
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 2: happened and what the coaching got to do with turning

620
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 2: fumbles over throwing the interceptions.

621
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: Oh boy, I tell you, how hard did you take

622
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: that loss?

623
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 3: I took it hard because we could have won the

624
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 3: Super Bowl, and we had a chance against a great team.

625
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 3: San Francisco was a great football team man and Steve

626
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 3: Young and that bunch was really good, and they were talented,

627
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 3: do good on defense. But the next year we got

628
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 3: it done. And I was so happy for Jerry, I

629
00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 3: really was.

630
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: I was more.

631
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 3: Relieved than anything winning it for Jerry Jones, because he,

632
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 3: you know, stuck his neck out there and did what

633
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 3: all you media guys beat him up on and all.

634
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 2: And I was just relieved and happy for him. And

635
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 2: and I knew.

636
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 3: When we lost Novicheck and we lost Haley Acid the

637
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 3: ars pointing down, and I came in the league that

638
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 3: as free agency, just starting players were being siphed all.

639
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 3: It wasn't the same team, and and and UH players

640
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 3: were being siphoned off.

641
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: We were having to replace him, probably not as good

642
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 2: players as we were losing. And UH when.

643
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 3: Novicheck, who's the best third and one third and two

644
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 3: past receiver in the league. Because Troy le play action

645
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 3: Moon that novcheck up in the air anywhere he wants

646
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 3: to go, catch up ball him and Troy worked on

647
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 3: that so much. It was automatic first down, moved the ball.

648
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 3: And the philossoph here of our offense was the same.

649
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 3: It wasn't for me at Oklahoma. Run the football, run

650
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 3: the football, run the football, running Emmitt Smith and uh

651
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 3: hammer them and hammer them, control the ball through control

652
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 3: of the clock and get two or three touchdowns and

653
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 3: played great defense like we were.

654
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 2: And we were in the ball game.

655
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: You had a difficult end of that regular season. You

656
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: guys lost a lot of games. There were the allegations

657
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: that came out against Troy. How do you in retrospect,

658
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: how do you think you handled that situation with Troy?

659
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I don't, I don't know. I'm worried

660
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 3: about it. I hated it, but I always regretted. Uh,

661
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 3: I'm don't worry about today. If Troy and I I'm

662
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 3: gonna read you.

663
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 2: I won't read you.

664
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 3: I don't think Troy reminds me doing this. I want

665
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 3: to read you the text Toy sent me. But I

666
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 3: want to tell you that the biggest regret I had.

667
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: Was my relationship with Troy was cowboy.

668
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 3: If I had met hired before Jimmy, I wouldn't have

669
00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 3: brought a damn none drafted some of the woman National

670
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 3: championship from Miami in here. Yeah, Steve Balston tried to

671
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 3: bet Troy out and play me from it. You think

672
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 3: Troy didn't swollow up over that, damn right?

673
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: He did? And here Troy the number one best best quarterback.

674
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 2: I told Troy, I said, you know, he was the

675
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 2: best quarterback throwing.

676
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 3: The football, mechanics, everything, the ball come out perfectly accurate,

677
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 3: spinning the velocity he had John Elway velocity. I remember

678
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 3: timing him at Oklahoma. I put the speed gun on him.

679
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 3: He threw fifty seven, fifty eight, fifty nine balls of

680
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 3: velocity at twenty five yard of pearls. And I'm telling

681
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 3: you that is a ball humming and he's coming at you,

682
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 3: you know. And of course his accuracy when when I

683
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 3: tried to get Troy when he wanted to transferred all

684
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 3: that I called. I called, I said, get three, He said,

685
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 3: get three schools. I told him. I called. He said

686
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 3: Arizona State. So I called John Cooper, andone in the

687
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 3: state who had been at Tulsa, who knew.

688
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 2: What he was like at Henteressy. He said, damn right,

689
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 2: I want him. Well.

690
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 3: I called Jack l Away at the Stanford. Jack hadn't

691
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 3: called me back yet. So I called Terry Darnay, who

692
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 3: I knew. Terry didn't like to hang out every about

693
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 3: anybody else's dirty wash, and he didn't want transfers and

694
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 3: all that. And said Jerry, I mean, Terry, you better

695
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 3: take this kid. He'll be drafting the first round.

696
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 2: I didn't know he gonna be the first player pick,

697
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: but he'll be a first round pick, and you better

698
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 2: come get this kid.

699
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 3: You don't understand the reasons. He's not a disciplinary problem,

700
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 3: out an academic problem. He doesn't fit the scheme we're

701
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 3: doing now, and you need to get take this kid.

702
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 3: And after a hell worse, he took him. He called me,

703
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 3: I'll take any transfer you want to send me. I

704
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 3: won't question him. But he said someone to work him out,

705
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 3: which is in NCA rules, and we worked him out,

706
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 3: and they worked him out and hell yeah. The guy

707
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 3: called back said, damn right, we want him.

708
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: But you were talking about the hardest time in your relationship.

709
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: Was the end of that reason that you concluded by

710
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: winning a Super Bowl. And not to be personal, but

711
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: you created an expectation about a text message. If you

712
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: still want to share, you still want to share it,

713
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 1: that's fine.

714
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I forgot.

715
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 3: If I get to go rattling one way or another,

716
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 3: I don't. I hope Troy didn't mind me doing this,

717
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 3: but it really meant something to me, and it meant

718
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 3: something for him. But obviously to send this message, but

719
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 3: I just watched the Cowboy documentary.

720
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 2: I had just finished washing it, and and and.

721
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 3: I happened to get a text boom pops up and

722
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 3: and it says from Troy, watching this documentary brings back

723
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 3: a lot of emotions. I don't want to relive the past,

724
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 3: but I want you to know I love you, I

725
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 3: wrote him back. I said, Troy, I understand publicly stated

726
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 3: and my biggest regret is not having a relationship with

727
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 3: you when with the Cowboys. I know I told you

728
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 3: the same that what that documentary showed to me that

729
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 3: it was a physical beating you took in your career.

730
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 3: I only got to see it over four years. I

731
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 3: told I told those post scouts you were the best

732
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 3: and uh and uh which I told Troy about the

733
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 3: bit the hubo.

734
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: Uh.

735
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 3: So he he sent me that text and I thought

736
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 3: it said a lot. And I've been with Troy a

737
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 3: lot since then. I did I did event. There's me

738
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 3: and Troy and mmet of the event we did together

739
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 3: after a bit out of football and all. But uh, no,

740
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 3: Ty was the best and uh. I think I feel

741
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 3: pretty good about my relationship with Troy now.

742
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: So let's just talk about winning that Super Bowl. You

743
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: talked about how important it was from your perspective to

744
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: win it for Jerry, But what about for you?

745
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 2: What?

746
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: How did it validate you as an NFL coach? You

747
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: you were, you were on the field getting the trophy,

748
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: hugging Jerry and so and we did it our way.

749
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: We did it our way, baby.

750
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 3: People don't understand that, okay, because did it our way.

751
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 3: It wasn't Jimmy in his way. It was nine and

752
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 3: Jerry's way. Because I let Jerry be a part of

753
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 3: the team. I let him be there. I didn't give it.

754
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 3: He was staying on the sidelines beside. I mean, what

755
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 3: the hell I've seen another owners stand that. What the

756
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 3: hell difference make. He's not going to the game and play.

757
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 3: He's not going out there call him play. I don't

758
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 3: pay attention to them. I got cheerleaders on sidelines. I

759
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 3: don't pay attention to them. I don't pay attention to

760
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 3: Jerry what he's doing.

761
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: Credibility for you and the methodology as a coach that

762
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: you have.

763
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 2: What we did is our way. Wait.

764
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 3: Wait, it was a far cry from what Jimmy did.

765
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 3: We did it our way. We did didn't do it

766
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 3: Jimmy's away. We did it our way and got it done.

767
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 3: Coaches win a lot of different ways. You know, there

768
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 3: ain't no patent. There ain't no patent. You went football games.

769
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 3: I promise it out there.

770
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 1: You told me once describing your approach to the whole

771
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 1: to the job as I just didn't want to screw

772
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 1: it up. And you got to give me that much credit.

773
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: I didn't screw it up. Other guys you went it

774
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: might have hired, might have screwed it up. I didn't

775
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: screw it up.

776
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: You know, I came down here. You know, like I

777
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:12,919
Speaker 2: told you, I knew.

778
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 3: I coached at Oklahoma for twenty something years, twenty three years,

779
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 3: and every time I came south of Red River. You

780
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 3: think those newspapers said anything posited about the first of Oklahoma.

781
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 3: They wore our ass out every year. Oh, spy, spy, spy.

782
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 3: You know all that Daryl Rold and all that. I

783
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 3: never lost to Daryl Roll. You know, when I went

784
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 3: to Oklahoma in nineteen sixty six, Oklahoma hadn't beaten Texas

785
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 3: in eight years, eight years, had never beaten Texas. First

786
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 3: year we took same players to kick their ass the

787
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 3: next year. It's played from the neck up. The game

788
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 3: is played from the neck up. You know you're you're

789
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 3: wearing a super Bowl Yeah, yeah, National Yeah, we won

790
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 3: a Nasals champion ship ball three coach three.

791
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

792
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 3: We just celebrated eighty fifth, eighty five national trip shipters

793
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 3: past week. I celebrated being eighty eight. That wasn't much fun.

794
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: Do you have any regrets about coaching beyond the Super

795
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: Bowl winning season?

796
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 2: No? No, not at all. No.

797
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 3: The error was point Like I said, the era was

798
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 3: pointing down for the Cowboys. It was when when Charles.

799
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 3: You lose Charles Haley, and you lose Nuba Check on offense,

800
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 3: Charles Haley on defense, your best pass rusher. Uh, you're

801
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 3: not gonna be as good, not gonna be as good.

802
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 3: And uh I told Jerry I'm gonna heading back and

803
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 3: north of the Red. And he says, you want to

804
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 3: be a part of this press conference. You resigned? Why

805
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 3: and the hell would I subject myself to that and

806
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 3: go in there and let these beat up on me anymore.

807
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna do that. Call you. I'm being north

808
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 2: of the Red.

809
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 3: When I hear about me residing now, Jerry, I think

810
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 3: you can have this and he did. Uh No, Jerry

811
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 3: was good to me. He was I had people. I

812
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 3: defended him all the time. People say negative things about

813
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 3: now doctor Jerry Jones. I know, and Jerry was a

814
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 3: great guy to me. And you know, just take for example.

815
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get you another example, Jerry Jones. Jerry Jones.

816
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 3: I was living in an apartment Jerry was paying for.

817
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 3: And you're probably gonna cut half this crap.

818
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 2: Out here in Dallas.

819
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, in Dallas, you know, don't cut you this damn

820
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 3: crap out I'll never be back here. A, yeah, do

821
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 3: anything with you Longhorn And uh, we're in the Longhorn

822
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 3: in Jersey.

823
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 2: Over for me. Yeah, but anyway, uh is it?

824
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 3: I came down here and uh and uh, I got an apartment. Oh,

825
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 3: carr Coff Steve care Coff picked up my apartment before

826
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 3: I called him my office. I said, Carry, I said,

827
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 3: I want you to go find me an apartment. I

828
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 3: want you to think you're the head coach of the

829
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboy. I want you to go buy me an

830
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,439
Speaker 3: apartment somewhere where a head coach would live. He said,

831
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 3: I can handle that, coach. Two weeks later, he comes

832
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 3: back and says, I've got the place, coach. He takes

833
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:03,439
Speaker 3: me this new apartment will Cool Springs is right straight down. Yeah,

834
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 3: cool river, cool River, and on down to the golf

835
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 3: Forset and oh yeah, yeah it's brand new.

836
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 2: It was brand new then it's brand new apartment complex.

837
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 3: I went down the top four down the last room

838
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 3: overlooked the swimming pool. But Jerry's picking up a tab

839
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 3: on that I wasn't paying for anywhere to live. Well,

840
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 3: Jerry asked me, well, build a home, would you please

841
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 3: build a home, and and chow these people you're making

842
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 3: a commitment to be with the Dallas Cowboys.

843
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 2: Jerry, for you, I'll do it.

844
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 3: So I'm giving up a free domicile here apartment, oh yeah,

845
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,760
Speaker 3: and to go over here to the north of Valley

846
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 3: Rants here.

847
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 2: It's really a gated community. Nice that nice area. And

848
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 2: I went in there.

849
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 3: Charlie North, Charlie, Charlie what was a singer, Arlie Charlie

850
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 3: Pride's sister lived two houses. Now, he was there all

851
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 3: the time. I used to have after ball games, I

852
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 3: get off the subject. I used to have Hank Snow

853
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 3: a bunch of will these guys come over and they

854
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 3: all afternoon games. They played till two o'clock in the morning,

855
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 3: and Charlie Pride would come over.

856
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 2: We'd have that. Damn this time most fun. But after

857
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 2: I built the home. But I'll go build a home.

858
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 2: And I'm building a home because Jerry wanted me to.

859
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 2: But he said.

860
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 3: One day we were at camp in Austin and I'm

861
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 3: talking to some players and pay it to particular player

862
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 3: and I hung up and Jerry said, you know what

863
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 3: You're always I say, hear you talking to your players

864
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 3: all the time. You're always helping them. He said, I'm

865
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 3: gonna help you. I said, how's that, Jerry? He says

866
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 3: that home I asked you to build. I want you

867
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 3: to get someone to furnish and send all the bills

868
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 3: to me.

869
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 2: I said, you want me send you all the build

870
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 2: my friend?

871
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Speaker 3: I hired a girl here, but yeah I did. I

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Speaker 3: turned her loose. She oh, she built out. I was

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Speaker 3: built ran it. They put a piece in the dolls

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Speaker 3: observer or whatever. Yeah, they'll had about four pay.

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Speaker 2: Feel bad about that.

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Speaker 1: Jerry could afford it.

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Speaker 2: The value franchise thirteen billion dollars. But I I'll tell

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Speaker 2: you what. He bought every piece of furniture in my.

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Speaker 1: Home relationship and you the high you have.

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Speaker 2: It was all about our relationship. Yeah, what an hour?

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Speaker 2: That was an hour.

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Speaker 1: An hour with Barry Switzer is unlike any other hour

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Speaker 1: you can never spend with an NFL coach. Right, that

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Speaker 1: was awesome. Th