1 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: Welcome back, everybody. 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 2: This is Bruce Bosi and you're listening to Table for two. 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 2: While it's hard to resist La in the spring, I'm 4 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 2: about to visit the beautiful south of France for this 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 2: year's can Film Festival, which makes my guest today super 6 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 2: cool and appropriate because not only has she walked a 7 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 2: red carpet on the Promenade de la Passett, she's attended 8 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 2: the festival premiere of her own films and in twenty 9 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 2: fifteen sat on the feature film jury. 10 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: She's a serious movie star. Oh gorgeous woman. Hi. We 11 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: just met at an oscar party and it was no joke. 12 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: Love at first sight. 13 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 2: She's a very talented actress, a climate advocate, and, as 14 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 2: she proves in extrapolations her latest show on Apple TV plus, 15 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 2: she's sometimes both things at once. What's more, she's an 16 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: incredibly fun lunch date. 17 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 3: Are you having a rose? 18 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: God? 19 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 3: How divine? 20 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 2: So grab a rose and get comfortable because we're having 21 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 2: lunch with Sienna Miller. I'm Bruce Bosi and this is 22 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 2: my podcast Table for two. 23 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: How's your morning, Ben? 24 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 3: My morning has been eventful. 25 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 4: I had to do like a climate summit chanel situation 26 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 4: at the. 27 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:36,639 Speaker 3: Pendry Hotel around the corner. 28 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 4: So then yeah, I had to do heir a makeup, 29 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 4: which is why you said I d nice, beautiful from. 30 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 3: Seven in the morning. 31 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: Look beautiful. Oh god, are you kidding me? 32 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 3: I love you? And we're having lunch every single day 33 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 3: and dinner. 34 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: Which means now we're going to be a couple. 35 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 3: Yes, you know, it is on. 36 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 4: So that was that, and then I had a meeting, 37 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 4: and then I I came here, and then I have 38 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 4: to go from here to James Corden and. 39 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: Then you get a busy day. 40 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 2: Do you feel like a pressure with being sort of 41 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 2: the voice of and sitting on the south I mean 42 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 2: it's a passion of yours. 43 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: And you were an early climate you know, a guy. Yeah, 44 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You were a pioneer in 45 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: the way of like what's happening? How did that begin? 46 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 3: I like that I am a climate pioneer. 47 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 4: I got involved with an organization called Global Cool and 48 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 4: this must have been like, I don't know, two thousand 49 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 4: and nine, okay, And we went to India and we 50 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 4: actually got legislation changed in India which needed to sort 51 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 4: of to have some action in that department. 52 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 3: But it was an interesting trip. 53 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 4: I got to meet with like all of the Indian 54 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 4: Bollywood movie stars okay, amateur batcham being like god right, 55 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 4: And it was successful and it was great, but it 56 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 4: was it was still kind of new. We we were 57 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 4: campaigning to get to be just low lower carbon basically, 58 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 4: and interesting statistics like if you turn your thermber sat 59 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 4: down two degrees, that will save a ton of carbon 60 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 4: a year, just little things that people just don't know. 61 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 4: They don't but I am, by no means an expert 62 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 4: on the climate. 63 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: You don't have to be an expert on climate. 64 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 2: You have to have an awareness and a passion because 65 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 2: the little thing of turning your thermostat down it's. 66 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 4: An interesting thing to know, I mean, and not necessarily 67 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 4: a passion. But I think at this point it's important 68 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 4: to acknowledge that it is a reality, which of course 69 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 4: some people are in complete denial of. And it's great 70 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 4: to make a show about that because I feel like 71 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 4: any show set in the future that doesn't include a 72 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 4: radically different climate is science fiction. 73 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 3: So it's kind of that's so shack, I know. 74 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 4: So making a story that is about connectivity and human 75 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 4: experience with the backdrop of a version of the future 76 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 4: that might hopefully be different, but is a potential. 77 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 3: Will connect people to what it actually is. 78 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 4: More than a graph or a documentary, as impactful as 79 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 4: they can be, but you just are sort of left 80 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 4: feeling slightly like it's abstract to you. So I think 81 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 4: Scott z Burns, who created this, he's obviously been a 82 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 4: pioneer in that field of inconvenient truth and all of 83 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 4: that he made and contagion. 84 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 3: The guy's a profit. I mean, he made that perfect truth. 85 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: I remember where I was when I saw that movie. 86 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that goes to the point is why 87 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 2: my hat's off to you, is my hats because you. 88 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 3: Have seven hats on today, ladies and gentlemen. You can't see. 89 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 2: Bruce because you know, this is like a recurring theme 90 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 2: when I have conversations with people, like the one person 91 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 2: makes a difference in the world, So like you are 92 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 2: making a difference. You're choosing work projects that reflect your beliefs, 93 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: that reflect your commitment to shaving the planet, changing the planet, 94 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 2: helping the planet, you know what I mean, all the 95 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 2: things that we all should. 96 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 3: Be saving this planet one project at a time. 97 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: You're going to be starring in a Marvel movie soon, know. 98 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 3: Everything going up. 99 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 4: No, but it's actually a perfect confluence of circumstance that 100 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 4: the things that are socially or environmentally interesting of have 101 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 4: come to me because of course, I mean, it may 102 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 4: look that way, and I suppose I am drawn to 103 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 4: things that have something to say because I find the 104 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 4: medium of storytelling really powerful for me personally. 105 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 3: Actually Algore talking. 106 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 4: I went to a talk that he gave after watching 107 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 4: an Inconvenient Truth, and that was what galvanized my wanting 108 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 4: to get involved. 109 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 3: So I think everybody really it. 110 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 4: Was the first time that that had been something that 111 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 4: we were even aware of. I mean, it was such 112 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 4: a shocking thing. And now I have a ten year 113 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 4: old who's at a progressive school and it's so part 114 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 4: of the curriculum, it's so part of her experience growing up. 115 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 3: She's so aware of things. 116 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 4: It's amazing, amazing because we were just like I was 117 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 4: at school in the nineties and you know, we were 118 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 4: just smoking, looking at rock bands. 119 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 2: I was, I'm a decade ahead, so the eighties this 120 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 2: was not discussed. 121 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: Then I saw, like you Inconvenient Truth and thought, oh wow. 122 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: And now all I say is this is what he said. 123 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 2: The Monsoon's happening the well, as he said, there's going 124 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 2: to be weather patterns that we never saw in regions 125 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:05,239 Speaker 2: of the world that we've never seen. 126 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: And it's truly. 127 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 2: There and always was like it's coming, we can get 128 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 2: ahead of it. We're not ahead of it, and we're 129 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 2: not getting ahead of it. 130 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 3: No, and it's time. 131 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 4: Like it's all very well, being hopeful and having faith 132 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 4: in people, and there is a way to greatly and 133 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 4: drastically impact the way that it goes. 134 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 3: But like it's we're there, we're living it, and. 135 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 4: We can slow it down exponentially, but it takes radical 136 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 4: change and a government obviously that believes that it is 137 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 4: a real thing, and people to be really conscious of 138 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 4: the fact that it's not about what your experience on 139 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 4: the planet is, but what is left for the others 140 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 4: that we bring into this world. 141 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, So extrapolation is it's a massive cast with like 142 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 2: incredible people. 143 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: How was it, What is it like to work with 144 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: all the people? 145 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 4: Or well, I didn't actually because because everybody does different episodes. 146 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 4: So mine was one and two and then I popped 147 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 4: up in a later one which was a last minute decision, 148 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 4: but mine was predominantly with well, I'm just going to 149 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 4: drop a name here because why wouldn't you Meryl Street 150 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 4: who played my mother, So I am now going to 151 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 4: like Mike drop, leave you in the street. And I've 152 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 4: ticked everybody. I mean, I've looked into Meryl Streep's eyes 153 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 4: and soul and we both cried, So where else can 154 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 4: I go from here? And Taharahim who is brilliant, and 155 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 4: Jel Paola, this gorgeous boy who played my son. 156 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 3: But it was a small, intimate set and cast. 157 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 4: But then of course, and we were the first two, 158 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 4: so they hadn't added the multitudes of incredible style power 159 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 4: that it ended up being. But I mean, so many 160 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 4: people are in this, which is which is fantastic, And 161 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 4: I think with the intention of being a part of 162 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 4: something that can narratively explain, you know, a potential, well 163 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 4: extrapolate on what the future might well. 164 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 2: I think like with all the stories, because it's all 165 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 2: about storytelling. It's all about it, you know, people feeling something. 166 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 2: These are like the projects to do, and they're scary 167 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: because at one point they were science fiction to us 168 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 2: and now they're not said so it's like okay, like 169 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 2: that's crazy. But you're like super busy because my mother's 170 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 2: wedding which you shot working Johansson working titled We Love 171 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 2: Christin Scott Thomas directed and starred first movie that that's 172 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 2: a big deal. Yes, so, and we do love where. 173 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 4: We Honestly, I went to make a movie and I 174 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 4: made a best friend. She's I know she's talked to 175 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 4: you on this show. I've known her for years. She's 176 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 4: one of the most spectacular women I've ever met in 177 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 4: my life. 178 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 2: Well, you know what she reminds me of you, because 179 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 2: you're both like down to earth, absolutely like focus, you 180 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 2: know who you are, both stunningly beautiful. That's you know, 181 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: inside and out. I'd say really as extremely incredible. You 182 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 2: also have The Anatomy of Scandal on Netflix. Yes, you 183 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 2: live in New York. 184 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: I live in New York and you're moving to London. 185 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 3: I'm moving back to London in the summer. 186 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 2: And we both agree that New York for children's a 187 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 2: little intense. Yeah, So, like, what's what's driving you back home? 188 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 4: Honestly, I after the pandemic, so many people that I 189 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 4: loved left the city and went back home. And I 190 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 4: think I was in New York for the pandemic and 191 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 4: being far away from my family was rough with no 192 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 4: opportunity to get back, and I think we all kind 193 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 4: of re evaluated our priorities, mind being to be close 194 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 4: to the people that I know and have loved for many, 195 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 4: many years. I was so in love with New York, 196 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 4: like a lover, like I've since I was eighteen years old. 197 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 3: I would land and be like, oh, and it was, 198 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 3: it was an entity. 199 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: It is. 200 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 3: It's like a powerful place. But I just recently just 201 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 3: kind of fell out of love with it. I'll tell 202 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 3: you what happened. 203 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 4: I have rented for years, as you do in New York, 204 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 4: and then you know, added up what I would have 205 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 4: been able to afford had I not been rented a 206 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 4: few years and whipping myself because it's just it's what 207 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 4: people do in New York. But it's and you know, 208 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 4: my poor kid has sort of moved from place to 209 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 4: place to place and it's nomadic and that's what it 210 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 4: is to be an actor. And she's very well adjusted 211 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 4: and adaptable because of it. But I was like, no, 212 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 4: New York is home. We went back to London for 213 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 4: a year over the pandemic. She did school there. We 214 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 4: went back. We were like, no, we're going to live 215 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 4: in New York. So I bought a place in the 216 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 4: West Village and a week after moving in, I opened 217 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 4: the front door. 218 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 3: This is not really lunchtime, chat to. 219 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 4: Take my daor to school, and there was a human 220 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 4: shit on my doorset and I just hoisted her over 221 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 4: the human shit and took her to the bars, and 222 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 4: it was, you. 223 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 3: Know, it was hysterical. 224 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 4: I also realized, like, the only person that can pick 225 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:48,719 Speaker 4: this up and deal with it is me, because I 226 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 4: can't be that much of an assholes. 227 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 3: And you can never unfeel the weight of a human shit. 228 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 4: And then, obviously I grew up in England where there 229 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 4: is a national Health Service, so people who are clearly 230 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 4: in need of help and medical attention can't get it there. 231 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 3: That becomes increasingly sad. 232 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: Wow. 233 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 3: And then and then lockdown drills at school, you know, 234 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 3: and I grew up. 235 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 4: With guns, and it's a total it's a real adjustment 236 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 4: to get to a place where if you even have 237 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 4: that intrusive thought for a split second, which you have 238 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 4: to if you live in America, it's reality. 239 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 3: All of those things. 240 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 4: And I was just like, oh, I got appendicitis in November, 241 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 4: and mercifully I had a friend saying, but if I didn't, 242 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 4: I didn't have anyone to be with my kid. 243 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 3: And I suddenly realized I have no infrastructure. 244 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 4: A dad was filming, and so yes, I just. 245 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:42,719 Speaker 3: I listed some real doomsdays. 246 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: You know what. It's the truth. 247 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 2: I always say, like the conversations that my daughter is 248 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 2: listening to now, I'm like, this is heartbreaking, like like 249 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 2: these kids have to deal with major catastrophes or conversations 250 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 2: that we just didn't. 251 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 3: Fault to have those people. But it's the world. 252 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: But it's their world. 253 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 2: I mean, I would say, really, post nine to eleven, 254 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 2: everything changed for them. Yes, Like where we were growing 255 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 2: up in the nineties or the eighties, it was like, yeah, 256 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 2: there was some real shit going on in the eighties 257 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 2: and stuff, but it was like where are. 258 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: We going tonight? Yes, what party are we going to? 259 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 3: I don't go out anymore, So what's the point of 260 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 3: living in New York? I mean, I love the THEA 261 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 3: true and I love that, but I don't really. I also, 262 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 3: I sound like such a dinosaur because I kind of am. 263 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 3: I don't. 264 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 4: I'm not on social media. I'm just I find that 265 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 4: I feel a bit like. 266 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 2: I get a bit quieter, right, I think the most 267 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 2: important thing you said to me is the support and 268 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 2: having family and raising a family and being with and 269 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 2: being able to know, because without that, I mean, what 270 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 2: is there? 271 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it really and we all kind of understood it 272 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:48,439 Speaker 3: in a way. 273 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 4: I was very happy to be off doing my own 274 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,319 Speaker 4: things until a global pandemic when you're like, actually, it's 275 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 4: such a huge part of your DNA the people that 276 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 4: you know and love and are accessible, and it became insool. 277 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: What did you love? 278 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 2: Because we can both step back into the other world, 279 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 2: because I think the world's changed. 280 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: What did you love? In there? 281 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 2: I always say, like the eighties and the nineties. It's 282 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 2: like I say that you just didn't grow up? What 283 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 2: and you being you? You know this like incredible, beautiful, 284 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 2: like charismatic, like you you are a grabber of life. 285 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: What did you love? 286 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 3: Blushing? I'm blushing. You can't see it. 287 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 2: Well. 288 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 4: I was born in the eighties, So the eighties I 289 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 4: remember being very very little and walking down the King's 290 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 4: Road with my mum and seeing punks like I do 291 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 4: have memories of the eighties, but they're cloudy, right, But 292 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 4: I remember that being fantastic, right, because that was where 293 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,719 Speaker 4: the punks hung out and so culturally that was that 294 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 4: was influential because it was exciting and vivid as a 295 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 4: kid to remember like the fashion and the and then 296 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 4: the nineties I was, I was at school and I 297 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 4: was sort of watching it from afar that everybody in 298 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 4: England behaved apporningly in the nineties and it was absolutely acceptable. 299 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 3: I remember like sexy. 300 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 4: It was sexy, and it was irreverent, and it was 301 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 4: funny and it was and no one was trying to 302 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 4: please anybody, and it was very honest and very authentic. 303 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 4: Like the Britain Awards in nineteen ninety six. I remember 304 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 4: watching it. Jervis Cocker like did something with Michael Jackson 305 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 4: and then the Gallaghers and Oasis were just outrageous and 306 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 4: people were just crazy. 307 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 3: And it was it looked so fun. 308 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 4: I was, of course, like stuck in an all girls 309 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 4: boarding school wanting to be having fun. 310 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 3: So I really emerged in the early two thousands. 311 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 2: I mean in the world, but don't you think, like 312 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 2: London always sort of sort of set the It's kind 313 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 2: of set a bar. It kind of was the influence 314 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 2: of the punk scene. Punk scene coming to the States, 315 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 2: rock and roll, trashion, it just and seemingly today it's 316 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 2: I think it was like the number one city to 317 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 2: be in, like was it? 318 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, from America it was. 319 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 4: It was a wild It's weird when you think about 320 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 4: England as this tiny little island that has had well 321 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 4: through often appalling behavior, but big influence. 322 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 3: In terms of music and fashion. 323 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 4: And yeah, I think the whole world is sort of 324 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 4: one thing now in many ways because of the connectivity 325 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 4: of what social media has done. 326 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 2: But I mean, were you acting then you why did 327 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 2: you start to You were modeling. 328 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: Then you were. 329 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 4: I was like the shortest model that ever lived, but 330 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 4: people liked me, so I sort of get booked on 331 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 4: jobs and not fit the closes all right, because I'd 332 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 4: be funny and let the other proper models, you know, 333 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 4: get out of their shells. But the kind of character photographers, 334 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 4: I know he isn't working anymore. But Bruce Webber was 335 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 4: a huge part of my early career in that. 336 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: I love Bruce Webber the most beautiful. 337 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 4: And his sets were like there was an elephant I 338 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 4: used to do sort of. I did like the odd 339 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 4: commercial thing, like a Wrigley's advert and a German Coca 340 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 4: Cola advert, and I was like commercial, you know, it 341 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 4: was like not chic, but whatever. And then I met 342 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 4: Bruce and he just we just got along, and so 343 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 4: he cast me in an Abercrombie and Fitch thing and 344 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 4: then the Pirelli calendar, so I just knew an ice 345 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 4: cream and I was in heaven. So that but that 346 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 4: wasn't a very long it was. It wasn't a very 347 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 4: long career because my goal was always to act. There 348 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 4: was so set on doing this as a career that 349 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 4: I was probably just way too extra. But I remember 350 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 4: we did Joseph at school and they I was Potiphar's helper. 351 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 3: She's just like the ship as well. 352 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 4: First of all, it's like not even in the script, 353 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 4: and second of all, like I just sat there at 354 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 4: pot of his feet with a with a palm leaf, 355 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 4: fanning Potiphar. And of course in my mind it was like, 356 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 4: you know, I constructed this whole backstory to the helper 357 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 4: and where you know he'd come from, and and. 358 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 3: Doing it very very seriously with this leaf. But I 359 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 3: was not seen. I was on to rated. 360 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,239 Speaker 1: Okay, when would you say, so, now, what was like 361 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: the moment. 362 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 2: That you thought you got cast and something that you 363 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 2: were like, oh, Okay, now I'm I'm in this game. 364 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 1: I'm in this game. 365 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 4: My first film was layer Cake, which was a British 366 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 4: sort of gangster film. 367 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 3: Daniel Craig was the lead. 368 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 2: And you know, I love Daniel gay bar. 369 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: He loves a gay bar all over the place. It 370 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 1: was like a whole scandal. But we had the best 371 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: that was me, inquirer. 372 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 2: We went out, Oh my God was in London and 373 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 2: I was taking care of Daniel, like okay. It was 374 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 2: a fantastic night. And the poor man will never live 375 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 2: it down. You know, I'm sorry, but I mean his 376 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 2: mother called not sorry, literally he said, my mother called 377 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 2: me and said, daniel't you have something you want to 378 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 2: tell me? 379 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 3: And he was blame it on Bruce. 380 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 4: The next podcast, Yeah, blame it on Bruce is the 381 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 4: next one. Come on everything that you've got everybody into 382 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 4: trouble for doing, because you can coax mischief out of 383 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 4: people takes one to. 384 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: No one, Yes, it does. We have that thing. So okay, 385 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: So your first film was with Daniel Craig, and. 386 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 4: Then pretty much simultaneously I shot Alfie and Alfie felt 387 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 4: like a big thing. 388 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 3: I mean, lak it was. Daniel wasn't Bond. 389 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 4: He was a very respected actor, did a lot of theater, 390 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 4: and then there was an amazing cast of like British actors. 391 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 3: That dude at the time me too. Jude Law was 392 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 3: a big old star at that point. That felt like 393 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 3: a big moment because Susan Sarandon was in it and. 394 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 4: It was Charles Shire directed it, and it was a 395 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 4: studio and it was like an ordeal to get. I 396 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 4: sort of like met Matthew Vaughn and they offered me 397 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 4: the part. So I didn't really understand he'd been a producer. 398 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 4: It was the first movie he directed. It wasn't it 399 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 4: was exciting, but in retrospect it's very exciting. 400 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 3: Right paramount a studio. 401 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 4: I was like, Wow, I'm into screen test and go 402 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 4: through all the rigmarole of getting apart. That was a 403 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 4: moment where I was like, I think I'm doing this, 404 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 4: but I didn't. I had total imposter syndrome. 405 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: It's very normal. 406 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 4: It's so boringly common amongst people in this industry. 407 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 3: Like you're on a movie set. I hadn't been on 408 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 3: a movie set. 409 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 4: I was there's a set and there's a crew and 410 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 4: they say action, which was just like it was also 411 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 4: new and it was on quite a large scale. 412 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 2: Welcome back to table for two, where we're having lunch 413 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 2: with incredible Sienna Miller. She's been in more than thirty films, 414 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 2: nominated for both a Bafka and a Golden Globe. But 415 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 2: Sianna started out as a model, No big surprise, And 416 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 2: I'm wondering, how did it feel to make that transition 417 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 2: into acting? 418 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 1: How does it feel when they say especially then? I 419 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: mean I did one commercial. I did a couple of 420 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: commercials in my early years. Yeah, I was a horrible actor. 421 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: I tried for. 422 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 3: Seconds, did you for how long is a second? To 423 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 3: twenty years? 424 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:31,959 Speaker 1: I just gave it up. 425 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 2: And I remember that for it was a regional commercial 426 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 2: for Merwin's department store, and I didn't know what the 427 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 2: hell I was doing. And I was sitting there and 428 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 2: I was with this woman playing a young married couple 429 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 2: like gonna. 430 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: Have a pillow fight. 431 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 2: But I just all of a sudden, they were like 432 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 2: and action though, oh my god, no, like I actually 433 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 2: actually now do something that all these like fifty people 434 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 2: were here to do their jobs are waiting for yeah 435 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 2: to do Like, I don't know how to do this, 436 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 2: So I mean, I'm much lesser scale. I think I 437 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 2: understand when you ask and you find yourself. How did 438 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 2: that feel? 439 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 3: It's like a klapperboard was like a novelty. 440 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 4: I was excited to see that, Like I had a 441 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 4: toy one at Hope. 442 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 2: You know. 443 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 3: It was just I was very, very green. 444 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 2: When did you start to feel like, oh, I'm in 445 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 2: the room and I got it. 446 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 3: No, I don't know that. 447 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 4: I well, no, the first time that I actually was like, Okay, 448 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 4: maybe I do know what I'm because I didn't really know. 449 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 4: It's very technical making a film and I didn't understand, 450 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 4: you know. I remember my first ever seen in Alfie 451 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 4: was a steady camp shot and I didn't understand that 452 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 4: I had to get the whole tape right, that it 453 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 4: was an uneditable thing right right. 454 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 3: So I was like, why are they why are we 455 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 3: doing this twenty time? Like what? 456 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 4: Like that bit was good and that you know, I'd 457 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 4: sort of like read the book on how you can 458 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 4: edit a film, and it was a problem because it 459 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 4: was a dance move and it had to be perfect 460 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 4: from start to finish, and I just didn't really understand. 461 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 4: Then I did a movie called Factory Girl, which was 462 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 4: which was an amazing character Edie Sedgwick, Yeah, and I 463 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 4: remember working Guy Peers played Warhole and I was like, 464 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 4: I'm just gonna jump into this because a like who 465 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 4: doesn't want to be d Sedgwick for you know, a 466 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 4: moment in their life and be what a world to explore? 467 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 4: And I've always been interested in people like and characters 468 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 4: and she was definitely both. So we lived in the 469 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 4: Chelsea Hotel and Guy was going all method and I 470 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 4: was like, I'm just gonna like get lost in this 471 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 4: a little bit. 472 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 3: And so we would only call each other Dy Andy. 473 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 4: We'd have phone conversations like they used to do, and 474 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 4: we'd go out at night and it just kind of 475 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 4: consumed I think that both of us. Then we moved 476 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 4: to Shreveport, Louisiana, where we shot the movie, which was 477 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 4: not the same backdrop as New York. 478 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 3: You know, but you know what, we made it work. 479 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 4: And I and I kind of got quite alarmingly, not 480 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 4: not in the ways that Edie you know, derailed, but 481 00:22:54,600 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 4: I but I psychologically felt very much her and I 482 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 4: was like, maybe this is the right profession and maybe 483 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 4: I am able to do it. And being surprised by 484 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 4: an emotional reaction that wasn't planned or constructed or you know, 485 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 4: just living something because it was fun and hanging out 486 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:16,360 Speaker 4: with the people who used to be in the factory 487 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 4: and hearing those stories and like Bridget Berlin and all 488 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 4: of these crazy characters. 489 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: Being able to put yourself in someone else's shoes for 490 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 1: that and. 491 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 4: Like letting yourself go into it, which was it's quite 492 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 4: scary because then the movie ended and I was like, 493 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 4: I didn't know who I was. I just couldn't take 494 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 4: the pants and the tights off. I literally wore that 495 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 4: for the next eight weeks. 496 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 2: Wow. 497 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 4: It was just a bit like, Okay, there is there's 498 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 4: got to be a boundary here, otherwise you're just. 499 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 3: A nut job. 500 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 2: What is the most challenging thing about being a mom? 501 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 2: And what do you worry about? Because I always find 502 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 2: it like when I was a kid, I was all 503 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 2: over the place and never worrying, and I never I 504 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 2: don't think. 505 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: My parents worried, no bow. But now I go, okay, 506 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: are there things. 507 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 2: From your life that you pull from and just life 508 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 2: that you go okay? 509 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 3: I don't know. 510 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 4: I think parenting is so influenced by the culture and 511 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 4: the moment, and there's like I say that is the 512 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 4: state of the world when you have kids. So, you know, 513 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 4: looking back to my childhood, which was wonderful and eccentric 514 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 4: and probably neglectful in a way that made me very 515 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 4: self sufficient. My generation of parents were very involved, and 516 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 4: we're very you know, it's very dead. 517 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: There's your generation of parents were very involved. 518 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 4: You're saying in my contemporary parents my parents. No, I 519 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 4: wasn't a baby monitor. I'm sure I was screaming in 520 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 4: the cop for hours, whatever happened. I'm able to handle 521 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 4: shit and kind of manage myself with you know, probably 522 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 4: a little broken child somewhere inside the very strong, but 523 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 4: my child. I think what's hardest is I mean, you 524 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 4: get it wrong. No matter what you do, they fuck 525 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 4: you up. Your mom and dad. 526 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 3: They don't mean to, but they do. Yes. 527 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 4: But I I guess the navigation between the freedom she wants, 528 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 4: the it's it's it's just a constant dialogue of Look. Actually, 529 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 4: the hardest thing for me is trying to protect my 530 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 4: child from the influence of what is happening online in 531 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 4: the world and and what social media and phones have 532 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 4: done to our brains. 533 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 3: And we grew up without. 534 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: Them, and you don't use it. You don't do it. 535 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I creep occasionally. 536 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 4: I mean I And the reason I don't do it 537 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 4: is because it's so absorbing. And how do you deal 538 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 4: with a young mind that is growing, that is being 539 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 4: you know, that their attention is being so sucked into 540 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 4: a world and COVID meant that they were all on screens. 541 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 3: All the time. 542 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 4: So to detox from that those two years of schooling 543 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 4: and the only way to communicate with friends, and you know, 544 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 4: I have an only child, so to try to kind 545 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 4: of protect her whilst understanding that that's probably where the 546 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 4: world is going to be anyway, and curate. 547 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 3: A curious person. 548 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 4: You know, we're in uncharted waters as to where this 549 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 4: is all going. I don't know what a job is 550 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 4: going to be when my daughter is eighteen, I don't 551 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 4: know what it's going to be. 552 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: You know, university will look like if it's going to 553 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 1: be anything. 554 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 4: I want her to read books desperately. It's really hard 555 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 4: for kids to focus enough to do that. But I 556 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 4: know that if you have that, you will never be 557 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 4: lonely in life because. 558 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 2: You and how did you become you know, because I'm 559 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 2: sure there's a strong influence on your daughter, because you 560 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 2: have to see your parent reading. 561 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 1: How did you become a reader? And did you see 562 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: that in her? 563 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 4: She loves she loves stories, she loves like making films. 564 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 4: She's sort of endlessly filming and editing things, which makes 565 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 4: me happy. But of course that involves the screen, not 566 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 4: you know, a VHS whatever it was when. 567 00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 3: We were right. 568 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 4: I am re reading one hundred Years of Solitude because 569 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 4: I found it in a library of a place that 570 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 4: I was at and I loved it. 571 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: I just read The Young mongo. 572 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 4: Oh I've heard that's incredible and it's so sad but 573 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 4: incredible and not disman. 574 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 3: It's a chuggy Maine. 575 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: Is that right? 576 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 3: Yes? Which I just read. 577 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: So that's my next up. 578 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 4: But I don't don't back to back then if it's 579 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 4: that you need a little do some David Cidaris in 580 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 4: the in between, which. 581 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 3: I just obsessed. Has he had lunch with Bru? 582 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: Now he is not love David, and. 583 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 3: Maybe both of them would. 584 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: Be like a sibling lunch. 585 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us today on Table for two. Sienna 586 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 2: has been telling me all about her career and how 587 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 2: she's deliberately chosen weightier roles in recent years. But I'm 588 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 2: curious where does she draw her inspiration from. Who were 589 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 2: influences as far as a child a child or yeah. 590 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 3: Who were in terms of reading or just life, just 591 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 3: in life. 592 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 4: I mean obviously sort of like May West, and I 593 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 4: loved like Lucille Ball and I loved all of that, 594 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 4: and like Vaudeville kind of comedy in twenties films and 595 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 4: the Glamour of the Thirteen. 596 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 3: And then Marin Monroe. 597 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 4: I just thought it was just extraordinary and like such 598 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 4: a great actress. And then Vivian Lei and you know 599 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 4: Guilder and all of this, you know, those those movies. 600 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 3: And I watched a lot of films. My mother took 601 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 3: us to the theater. 602 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 4: A lot, so I was But but then as I 603 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 4: got older, I loved movies like True Romance and those 604 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 4: are like the Seminal when I was really influential in 605 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 4: reality bites. 606 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 3: And right the nineties nineties, and. 607 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 4: All the great characters of women were kind of raucous 608 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 4: and badly behaved, yes, because that was the only way 609 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 4: that you could get a great and the men were 610 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 4: sort of idealistic and perfect. And so I think I 611 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 4: probably like inherited some characteristics that are just a little 612 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 4: bit outrageous from admiring women who were portrayed like the 613 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 4: interesting people were up to no good. 614 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 2: You know, one of the things. And I didn't realize this. 615 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 2: So you were in a movie and you played to 616 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 2: be Hedron. Yeah, and I watched it last weekend. Oh, 617 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 2: and you're amazing in it. And it's I mean, it 618 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 2: really is. It's a movie to see. 619 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: The girl the girl. 620 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 2: And the things that really kind of blew me away 621 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 2: were like when you were doing the scenes with you know, 622 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 2: when the character goes into the attic and his obsession 623 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 2: with to be Hedron and she's alive and she is 624 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 2: and I didn't quite ever know that he was that 625 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 2: kind of lecherous of a man. 626 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: Talented and you know, genius genius. 627 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and like all these sort of like it's complexity. 628 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: How did it feel to portray her? You do it? 629 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 3: Thank you? 630 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 4: I mean I met I met her, and I heard 631 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 4: the stories and this was pre me too being a 632 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 4: conversation or times up being a conversation. 633 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 3: It was still rampantly a part of our industry. 634 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 4: But understanding the cruelty that went into and the lack 635 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 4: of control she had over her career, which by the way, would. 636 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 3: Have been stratisferic. 637 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 4: I mean, she was headed for Between the Birds and Marnie, 638 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 4: but he kept her under contract and just watched her 639 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 4: get older and older in a time when you know. 640 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 3: Past forty or even thirty five, you were kind. 641 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: Of That's why that was her last movie. 642 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 4: She was she was offered movies by Goddard and true 643 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 4: for everybody wanted to work with her, and he just 644 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 4: said no. But he didn't work with her himself, so 645 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 4: he just let her get older and older and older 646 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 4: till she become obsolete. So it's it's a tragedy, yes, 647 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 4: and devastating because she she just wouldn't comply and she 648 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 4: didn't have the kind of grace. Kelly kind of laughed off, 649 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 4: which which it does take. She's just she's stoic and 650 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 4: she's serious and she's you know, wonderful. But it was very, 651 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 4: very tortuous. There's actually an amazing play by John Logan 652 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 4: called Double Feature where and it's it's it's fiction, but 653 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 4: it's kind of not in terms of understanding what happened 654 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 4: between Tippy and Hitchcock. It's a very it's very worth reading, 655 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 4: but I mean it's difficult. It's so difficult to legislate 656 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 4: on any of this because when we're artists, well behaved people, 657 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 4: it's so complicated. 658 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 3: They're awful. 659 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 4: But is Hitchcock an absolute genius of cinema? Yes, yes, 660 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 4: I don't know. 661 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 3: I don't know where I kind of fall and any 662 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 3: of this. It's devastating to people. 663 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 4: Her career was destroyed by a completely lecherous, manipulative, horrible 664 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 4: man who made brilliant work. 665 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 3: You know, it's a tough time. 666 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 2: Very interesting, and we find ourselves, like you said in 667 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 2: the post, the me too and post all that separating 668 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 2: our from the artists and the behavior and who and how, 669 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 2: and it's like a nightmare. 670 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: It's a nightmare. 671 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 2: And that seemingly because that was really the first time 672 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 2: I'd kind of heard of it. Watching your movie was like, oh, 673 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 2: I didn't realize that because if this was you know now. 674 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: Yes, his career is done. Yeah, and just how horrible. 675 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, you had no, she had no power, had no. 676 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 4: And also they made you sign contracts with studios, so 677 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 4: she had signed this thing. Of course, because it was 678 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 4: her first film. She was plucked out of obscurity. She's 679 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 4: been in a commercial. You know, he'd seen her and 680 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 4: really molded her into being what he wanted her to be, 681 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 4: and she wouldn't participate in the rest of it. Not 682 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,959 Speaker 4: that necessarily anybody else did either, but could manage it 683 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 4: in a way that she just wasn't able to. And he, yeah, 684 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 4: absolutely destroyed her. 685 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: And there was no advocate. 686 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 2: It feels like there was no for someone like her 687 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 2: to say, hey, get me out of that contract and 688 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 2: let me start to work, you know, And there was 689 00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 2: no listening or. 690 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 4: Studios and those contracts and you belong to the studio. 691 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 4: It's a very different world. 692 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 2: You've been a real also advocate, And I had a 693 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 2: conversation recently with Sharen Stone, who was. 694 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: A real advocate for it just equal pay. 695 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 2: Like you know, you've talked about job, a job that 696 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 2: you didn't get after you got it because you said, well, 697 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 2: he's making acts I should be making Why And basically 698 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 2: the answer was by have we made progress? 699 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 4: Definitely, definitely in terms of being in terms of if 700 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 4: anything else, people's men's awareness of that problem and there 701 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 4: being a spotlight on it from the rest of the world. 702 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 4: In an industry where we're all paid stupid amounts of 703 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 4: money to have fun and be creative and so comparatively. 704 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 4: It's ridiculous to talk about it from the sort of 705 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 4: Hollywood perspective, but it was, as it is in every industry, 706 00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 4: glaringly obvious that there is a huge disparity, not fairly so, 707 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 4: because women are relied heavily upon to market and sell 708 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 4: that you should be compensated for. If you're not as 709 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 4: big of a staff, fine, but you're going to be 710 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 4: really the person that is going to front that publicity 711 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 4: campaign exactly. 712 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 713 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 4: I just had had a few experiences where I was 714 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 4: so grateful to be a part of something that then 715 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,479 Speaker 4: went on to make exponential amounts of money of which 716 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 4: I really wasn't paid even, you know, and a hundredth 717 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,760 Speaker 4: of somebody that I was acting opposite and relied heavily 718 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 4: upon to sell the thing. When a Super Bowl commercial 719 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 4: costs like quadruple what you were paid to make a 720 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,879 Speaker 4: film where your name is above the title, it's kind 721 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 4: of hard to digest. 722 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 3: And I think what was most difficult was that I 723 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 3: was just still so grateful for. 724 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 4: Of course those scraps occasionally, because I was so happy 725 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,320 Speaker 4: to be there, because I'd honestly do it all for 726 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 4: free anyway, because I love it's what I love to do, 727 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 4: but trying to re educate the ability to self advocate. 728 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 3: It's a lot of actives. 729 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 4: I love it, and actually having to be quite bullish 730 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,439 Speaker 4: to get myself to galvanize myself into a place where 731 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 4: I can say what I actually feel. And so uncomfortable 732 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 4: for me to be anything other than loving and kind 733 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 4: and grateful to everybody, because that's annoying my trus but 734 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 4: to try to say, like, actually I'm going to put 735 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 4: my foot down, it's really hard, but really important. 736 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 3: Otherwise you're a doormat. 737 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 4: So I think in reflection, I'd seen multiple instances of 738 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 4: just being given something and accepting it and not even 739 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 4: being aware. 740 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 3: Of how unfair it was. 741 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 4: And then with the movement of what started happening in 742 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 4: our world, kind of understanding that actually, maybe that's not 743 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 4: fair and speaking to other actresses who have been braver, right, 744 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,399 Speaker 4: and yeah, and just about it's about fairness and it's 745 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 4: about there is a hugely kind of patriarchal element, like 746 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 4: people were happy for me, yes, who are of the 747 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 4: opposite sex, for what I was getting, and I'm so 748 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 4: proud of you for this, you deserve this, And it 749 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 4: was honestly like then I found out what they call it. 750 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 2: But I think, you know, the reality is when the 751 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 2: executive level changes this landscape, when you have women like 752 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 2: Donnad Langley, who is like in this incredible like power 753 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 2: house at Universal who you know, you have women like 754 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 2: Amy Pascal, who's incredible, you know, you know, who've been 755 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 2: in the game now and have our true advocates for like, 756 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 2: oh okay, we're hiring, we're running running studios. 757 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 1: You know. 758 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 2: I sat with Sherry Lansing who and her time at 759 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,799 Speaker 2: Paramount was wonderful, but she also was in that and no, 760 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 2: I think her film's just amazing, credible, just landed them. 761 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 3: But it was the structure of the world, which nobody questioned. 762 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: Because it's the way structure right exactly. 763 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 4: Also being in an industry where where you're dealing with 764 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 4: us with something that's cost a huge amount of money, 765 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 4: which if it's what you know, I like to do 766 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 4: independent films, it doesn't apply to me. But but on 767 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 4: the occasionhere I have done your films are knowing what 768 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 4: they're spending on this, that and the other, and knowing 769 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 4: that you're an integral part of that story. 770 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 3: It's more about. 771 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 4: Understanding actually what you're worth and that's not been an 772 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 4: easy thing to get to. But now I'm sort of 773 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,840 Speaker 4: by throwing myself out of the plane. And initially I 774 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 4: have this great lawyer, Gretchen Rush, who has really helped 775 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 4: and my agents, but really helped re educate a negotiation 776 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 4: process which initially I had to go in and be like, 777 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 4: just think of yourself as a man, what would you 778 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 4: do if you were you know? And now I'm just like, actually, no, 779 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:34,800 Speaker 4: I won't do it, and fuck. 780 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: You well, you know. I hate for our lunch to 781 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:43,319 Speaker 1: come to an end. 782 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 2: I mean, I really don't want Sienna to leave this table, 783 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 2: and if possible, I'd like to fly back to New 784 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,399 Speaker 2: York with her, but she didn't invite me. I've loved 785 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 2: hearing about Sienna's life, her daughter Marlowe, and the diversity 786 00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:58,800 Speaker 2: of her roles on screen. 787 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 1: But I'm super curious what's next for this lady. What 788 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: do you want the future to be for you in 789 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 1: regard to your war? I mean moving back home, which 790 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,919 Speaker 1: I think is fantastic in your way from a. 791 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 2: Work standpoint, do you are there are parts that you've 792 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 2: wanted to play, anything that you would like to remake. 793 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,359 Speaker 1: I think you're doing something on the West End. 794 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:21,879 Speaker 2: No. 795 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 4: Oh, eventually, I'm going to be doing a play next summer. 796 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 4: I think I'm doing four movies that Kevin Costner has director. 797 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 1: Oh right, that. 798 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 4: We've done one and a half for them, and then 799 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 4: we have like whatever, I can't do math now I've 800 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,400 Speaker 4: had two plus fordy two and a half left. Okay, 801 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,799 Speaker 4: does that make foul? Yes, thank you, I'm not my 802 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 4: air of remembering nights. And that's been incredible. He's an 803 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 4: absolute dream. And this is a project he's been writing 804 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 4: for twenty years and it's about fifteen years of how 805 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 4: the West was one. 806 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,359 Speaker 3: So I've been in moab Utah. 807 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 4: Making these films in a corset and I mean just 808 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 4: extraordinary sort of dances with wolves without the dancing and 809 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 4: wolves but actually some dancing, but that period of history 810 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,360 Speaker 4: that he really is the master of and the most fantastic, 811 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 4: elegant smart man. So I have that to do for 812 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,840 Speaker 4: the rest of the year, and then this play I 813 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 4: think next summer, and maybe this other thing before and 814 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:20,799 Speaker 4: maybe this other movie before, and. 815 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 3: I've got lots for once. 816 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,359 Speaker 4: I've got lots lined up that I suppose what I'd 817 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:31,279 Speaker 4: hope would change would be. There's this narrative that you're 818 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:36,400 Speaker 4: stuck with often, and I'm very tired of being referred 819 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 4: to as underrated. It's sort of and I think I 820 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:44,879 Speaker 4: started working in a moment where women were not respected and. 821 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 3: I was the famous. 822 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 4: I was going out with somebody very famous, and it 823 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 4: was very tabloid, and it was really painful and it 824 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,800 Speaker 4: was really public, and. 825 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,240 Speaker 3: I just sort of got labeled. 826 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 4: I got saddled with these labels that really never fit myself. 827 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 4: And therefore it was surprising when my work it became 828 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 4: serious and was able to be taken seriously. But this 829 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 4: oft underrated tag, I'm really ready to shed and just 830 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,359 Speaker 4: But the best thing about being the age that I 831 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 4: know I am is that I truly I don't really. 832 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 3: Care about any of it. I don't need to be 833 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:17,799 Speaker 3: the biggest movie, so. 834 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,799 Speaker 4: I don't need to be the I don't have like 835 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 4: a burning ambition. I love my job, I love my life, 836 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:23,360 Speaker 4: I love. 837 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 5: My friends, I love you, I love wine, And I 838 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 5: mean I don't really care enough to be focused singularly 839 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 5: or myopically on a career. 840 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,320 Speaker 3: I am frustrated. That would be my one frustration. 841 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,839 Speaker 4: I'm just understandable, and I think it's it's surprising if 842 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 4: I am good in something still and I'm like. 843 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 1: God realoring, Well, I mean you mean surprising from. 844 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,320 Speaker 4: A journalistic I feel within a room in our industry 845 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 4: at the weekend. I mean I feel like great friends. 846 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 4: We've all known each other for years at this point. 847 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I get that. 848 00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 2: I get Also when you know, things happen in your life, 849 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 2: if at certain decades in your life and all of 850 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,359 Speaker 2: a sudden they define you, and you're like, well, wait, 851 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 2: how did that define me? 852 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,279 Speaker 3: I wasn't really any of it. 853 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, this was not you know, and and you know, 854 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 2: and now we have so much twenty twenty in the 855 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,560 Speaker 2: hindsight of everything that was going on in regard to 856 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 2: you know, you fall in love with who you fall 857 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:17,719 Speaker 2: in love with, and then all of a sudden that 858 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 2: becomes something and that. 859 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 1: Sort of sort of defines you and you're like, what 860 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 1: the hell? And then everything that's sort of come up. 861 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 2: And yesterday I had this is crazy and it's I 862 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 2: had this crazy thing pop up on my computer which 863 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 2: was about like you're being hacked. 864 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,280 Speaker 3: I believed, Oh did it say that you've been watching porn? 865 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 3: And I'm gonna fight? 866 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 2: And I spoke to this man from India and he 867 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 2: was like, yes, I have you. 868 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,240 Speaker 1: Know, you're on child. I was horrible. 869 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 2: And then I started to talk to him and then 870 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 2: I was like okay, and then it starts a dawn 871 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:52,319 Speaker 2: on me and I was like oh. 872 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 1: So then I pushed back and go He's like, well, 873 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,759 Speaker 1: and what are your bank? Like who do you bank with? 874 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,320 Speaker 2: But I didn't give anything specific, but it was very upsetting, 875 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 2: like you know, you're like, well, what And then I 876 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 2: started to say, well, who did you just speak to? 877 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,000 Speaker 2: And so eventually he hung up. I was like, okay, 878 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,440 Speaker 2: like there are people trying to like, oh, it's when 879 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 2: I called my bank and I told Sheila. 880 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 1: She was like, this is Sheila. 881 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:20,520 Speaker 2: And so this just happens to me and he says 882 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 2: I'm watching this and doing that. 883 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:23,800 Speaker 3: You know you're not doing no. 884 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,319 Speaker 1: I'm like, she's like, you're being fished. And I was like, 885 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 1: oh my god. 886 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,000 Speaker 3: I love right. 887 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:31,160 Speaker 1: Like Sheila was so real. 888 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,880 Speaker 2: She was I mean like a representative of like a 889 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,840 Speaker 2: big bank, you know, And I was like, thanks, Sheila. 890 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,800 Speaker 1: I mean, my kid is in the car and my 891 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:40,680 Speaker 1: kids listening to this. 892 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 4: I'm like and by the way, those emails are horrific. 893 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 4: So I got one of others like, we know you've 894 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:46,239 Speaker 4: been watching. 895 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,080 Speaker 3: Porn and we have a video of you. Yeah, yeah, 896 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 3: and we're going to send it to your contact. And 897 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:51,800 Speaker 3: I was just like, do it. 898 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 1: Right, true? Right? No. 899 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,840 Speaker 2: I got one of those and I called it my 900 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,160 Speaker 2: friend Andy Cohen and said is this true? 901 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,320 Speaker 3: And he was like I get all the time exactly. 902 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 1: He's like absolutely not disregarded. And I was like, well, 903 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:05,919 Speaker 1: this is great. 904 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:06,880 Speaker 3: I really get people. 905 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,279 Speaker 2: Was like, yeah right, It's like it's very different than 906 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 2: me taking Daniel to a gay bar. 907 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,400 Speaker 3: And then I hits the National that was amazing and 908 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 3: I did see it. 909 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,000 Speaker 2: I want to congratulate you on extrapolations. I want to 910 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,759 Speaker 2: congratulate you on all your projects. I got to say, 911 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 2: if you haven't seen Cianna Miller's movies, which I can't imagine. 912 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,759 Speaker 1: You guys seven people have for you and you are 913 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,440 Speaker 1: like a joy and literally you it's this has been 914 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:36,520 Speaker 1: a pleasure. Thank you. 915 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,080 Speaker 3: I would have lunch with you every day. 916 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,520 Speaker 1: For joining on the table for two. 917 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 3: Just spilt it all over. 918 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,120 Speaker 2: That's okay, now, seriously, thank you so much. 919 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:49,759 Speaker 3: Thank you. 920 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,320 Speaker 1: It's I adore you. 921 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:53,720 Speaker 3: From from the offset. 922 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,719 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, thank you for pulling up a chair today, 923 00:43:58,080 --> 00:43:59,799 Speaker 2: Thank you for thank You, me. 924 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:01,160 Speaker 3: You, Sandwich Comer. 925 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:03,520 Speaker 1: All Right. 926 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,120 Speaker 2: Table for two with Bruce Bosi is produced by iHeart 927 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 2: Radio seven three seven Park and Air Maryland. 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