WEBVTT - 11. Reconstruction 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:04.640 Murder in Illinois is a production of iHeartRadio. So there's 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:08.119 a sign that's as welcome to Pinkneyville, and the churches 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:10.080 of Pinkneyville welcome you. And it looks like they're about 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:16.680 twenty churches. So God in prisons. After months of letters 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:20.400 and emails, COVID restrictions were lifted in May, and Bill 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:22.560 Clutter and I were finally on our way to visit 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:27.800 Chris part As we get closer to the prison, is 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:29.400 absolutely pouring. 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:41.559 From you, quorks of lightning, you know, thunder yet, Yeah, 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:43.280 there are a lot of churches around here. 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:48.159 The abbess is the buckle of the Bible belt right 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:49.720 here southern Illinois. 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:56.240 As a result of good behavior during his time at Minard, 0:00:56.680 --> 0:01:00.240 Christopher Vaughan was transferred to the Pinkneyville Correctional Center in 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:04.360 twenty nineteen, a medium security prison located in Perry County. 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:08.119 This is it the Pinkneyville Correctional Center. 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:18.200 So it's kind of a sprawling brick facility surrounded by 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:19.319 the wire. 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:24.640 It's not that old of a facility, hating. I'm within 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:29.000 the last right twenty or twenty five years. 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:35.720 So the parking lot looks pretty full. I'm assuming this 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:39.320 is where we go in It is all right. 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:46.080 Because to leave my cellphone. 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:49.360 Okay, so we should be about two hours. I have 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:54.200 my passport. I think we need two forms of what org. 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:56.480 All right? 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:59.840 Take a run for it, which is funny. I don't 0:01:59.840 --> 0:02:01.480 think most people say they're going to make a run 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:03.080 for it as they're going into. 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:08.280 Present foreshadowed by thunder. 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:14.440 I'm Lauren breg Pacheco, and this is murder in Illinois. 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:17.840 Kay. 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:29.600 Disjuged fop Shah. 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:46.519 The check in process at Pinkneyville was thorough and impacted 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:50.560 by COVID protocol. We were vetted, masked, and temperature checked. 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:55.280 No personal belongings, phones, or recording devices were permitted. After 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:58.880 we were individually searched and padded down, we passed through 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:02.720 a metal detector and two additional checkpoints before entering the 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:06.960 cafeteria like room, where inmates were individually seated at small 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:12.400 tables surrounded by four fixed stools. Each tabletop was divided 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:16.720 into sections by high plexiglass a COVID precaution. We were 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:19.880 instructed to sit across from the inmate if possible, so 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:23.160 only one of us could sit next to Vaughn. Acoustics 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:26.720 were difficult as a result, especially when compounded by masks. 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.760 After communicating through email for so many months, it was 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:34.320 surreal to see and speak with Vaughn in person. The 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:37.600 two and a half hours that initially felt overwhelming ended 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:39.960 up passing quickly once we got used to raising our 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:43.440 voices and leaning forward enough to hear and be heard. 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:46.880 When we left and I got back into our car, 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:55.400 oh my gosh, that was really interesting. I was still 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:59.720 trying to reconcile my expectations with the man I just met, 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:06.040 and there was a bit of an element of being 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:09.880 taken aback because he is not imposing in terms of 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:11.640 his height or his physicality. 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:16.760 He comes across a little bit more tough in photos 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:21.200 just because his head is shaven and he has a goatee, 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:23.880 but his mannerisms are so. 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:31.760 Mild. There's a fragility to him that goes hand in 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:36.640 hand with the introspective nature of how he speaks and 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:37.880 expresses himself. 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:41.400 Well, that's what kind of struck me, because you get 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:45.279 a sense that he's learned to survive in this environment 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:51.360 and he can't be a pleasant experience now fourteen years 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:51.800 in prison. 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:58.160 During our visit, Vaughan expressed the mental and emotional repercussions 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:02.400 of our communication. He apologized for wavering. Apparently he had 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:07.280 a really tough December because I was asking him to 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:12.200 access memories and feelings and emotions that he had kept 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:16.680 compartmentalized for so long. Then he wrote the five page 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:20.640 letter and then almost immediately he was done. 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:23.000 And one of the things I wanted to clarify with 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:27.720 him in our meeting was I always had concerns when 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:31.240 he started out in that letter telling his parents he 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:34.120 would fill in the gaps that I was concerned that 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:38.719 some of the things he was describing may have been 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:39.280 doing that. 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:42.880 He had no idea what that noise was. It never 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:47.040 occurred to him that there were gunshots happening within the car, 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:48.760 and he was in the quiet of a morning in 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:51.760 a big open field, and it was almost like this 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:57.000 ominous kind of echoing in the field. He didn't put 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:02.799 two and two together, sounds like, didn't until he got 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:08.440 back in the car, after he believes she shot three 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:12.400 shots at him, that she fired three times. That's when 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:15.120 he really truly realized that the kids were all dead 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:17.840 in the back seat, and at that point she was 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:18.559 dead as well. 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:23.919 He acknowledged today that he's really unclear about the sequences 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:27.200 of which shot occurred verse the wrist or the leg. 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.919 But the one memory that he did have that was 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:35.159 vivid and clear is closing his eyes to avoid looking 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:39.599 at Kim and reaching and grabbing her seat belt to 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:42.400 try to fasten her seatbelt and struggling with it, and 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:46.240 his hand was shaking, and that is consistent with the 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:53.000 forensic evidence that large saturation stain on Kim's seatbelt. The 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:56.880 clearest memory he has is after everything happened, I mean, 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:01.599 his description of leaning back in his seat and looking 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:06.320 at the children. That explains the transfer stain that was 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:09.400 on the back right side of his jacket back to 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:12.200 the seatbelt. And the version of the state that he 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:16.200 somehow unbuckled her seatbelt to stage the crime scene makes 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:17.240 no sense. 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:22.200 Because his blood would have been on the actual female part. 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:25.720 He would have taken his thumb and depressed the seatbelt, 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:29.640 and you wouldn't have all that blood saturating the seat belt. 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:34.160 But his description of closing his eyes because he couldn't 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:38.560 look at Kim's face, that I mean just a ghastly sight, 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:43.360 and reaching grabbing the seatbelt, trying to buckle her and 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:47.880 struggling to buckle because her arm is covering the female 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:52.240 part of the buckle. All of that makes perfect sense, 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:57.280 and there's enough time for him to saturate that seat 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:00.240 belt strap with his left wrist injury. I mean, he 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:03.560 acknowledged that that was the clearest memory he had of 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:04.960 what he was describing the letter. 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:08.119 That memory was about to be put to the test 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:12.720 in a controlled scientific crime scene reconstruction. We connected with 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:15.200 Gail and Pierre, who traveled to meet us after the 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:20.320 visit to share more thoughts. He was very thankful and 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:26.600 kind of surprised that anybody cared. He reiterated how grateful 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:30.360 he's been for your support and how much that means. 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:34.960 I was so taken aback that there's no anger, that 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:38.480 he doesn't seem angry or bitter. I told him that 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:40.400 I had a couple of questions, and these are things 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:45.400 that stuck out, particularly in terms of the press and 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:48.280 the prosecution, and so much was made of the fact 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:51.400 that he was wearing the same outfit, and so I 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:54.280 asked him, why were you wearing the same clothes you 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:57.960 wore to the shooting range, And he said, because he 0:08:58.040 --> 0:08:59.960 was working most of the night that he would often 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:03.960 work in his study and then kind of catnap. But 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:06.240 he brought all the clothes he was changing into. They 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:07.600 were in the back of the car. 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:09.760 But nobody said that. 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:15.080 And the other thing that really came through everything he 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:19.640 said about the dynamic of their relationship, and also that 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:25.640 when Kimberly got that degree from Phoenix that took seven 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:30.240 years I think to get, she was handed an empty diploma. 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:35.480 But also learned that when she started calling, she thought 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:37.960 that all of these doors would open to her because 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:43.600 she had this degree. But it wasn't respected and it 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:46.920 didn't open doors. That people actually dismissed it because it 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:53.040 was online. That's interesting, Yeah, and that upset her deeply, 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:57.200 and so that could have unfolded in real time and 0:09:57.280 --> 0:09:59.520 could have led to her anxiety. 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:03.640 I still had a couple months to finish her degree, 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:08.040 to completely finish it, she still had a couple months 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:14.160 to go well. And in jest, when before all this happened, 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:16.920 Chris was saying, oh, yeah, now that you're going to 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:20.480 be a college degree person, you can go out and 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:23.360 make the big books, and I can quit and make 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:25.600 wood in the garage, would and play with the kids. 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:26.320 You know. 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:30.640 It was all in joke back then, then when it happened, 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:32.600 I guess that's a different story. 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:35.240 Well, he also talks about they had gotten to the 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:37.839 point where they were going to stay together while the 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:41.040 kids were in the house, but that eventually they would be. 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:42.080 Leading separate lives. 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:45.480 In July of twenty twenty one, I flew to meet 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:48.800 Bill Clutter in Kentucky for the crime scene reconstruction that 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:52.480 would recreate the events of June fourteenth, two thousand and seven, 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:56.360 under the direction of a seasoned crime scene investigator. 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:00.480 My name's Kate Hartman. 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:05.600 I'm a retired crime scene investigator from Lowell Metro Police Department. 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:11.120 I worked for the Metro Police Department for twenty one years, 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:15.240 started in communications and then tested to go into the 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:16.080 crime scene unit. 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:20.599 Hartman was secured by Bill Clutter to meticulously review the 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:24.000 Vaughan case. Because of her lack of proximity, she was 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:25.880 well suited to approach the task. 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:28.160 Well, I had no preconceived notions. 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:30.559 I'd never heard of it since it didn't happen in Kentucky, 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:34.120 I didn't know anybody involved. Police department used to wish 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:37.000 contacts throughout the United States, and I. 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:37.920 Had never heard of that case. 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:41.800 So I didn't have any of those prejudices at all. 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:46.200 In person, Katie Hartman comes across as no nonsense and direct. 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:49.480 She holds eye contact with a degree of scrutiny, in 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:53.280 keeping with her profession and reputation she's built both by 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:57.360 backing up instincts with science. She brought that same scrutiny 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:00.320 to reviewing Bob Deal's original crime scene report. 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:04.880 As a crime scene investigator, I really am impressed with 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:09.120 his work, and I'm a critical person. I used to 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:12.000 train people to do what I did, so I was 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:16.120 looking at it very I was ready to give him 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:20.800 Well Bill criticisms if need be, because I told Bill, 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:24.520 I'll give you exactly what I think good better in between. 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:29.080 And my first comment to him was, this guy's good. 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:34.320 It's really interesting because you know he was discredited. 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:39.200 I was told that after I read that he had 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:42.760 been discredited. So I wasn't shocked because I'm not shocked 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:46.320 by anything that happens. I've been victimized in that way 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:49.360 also through the years, not in the same way he has, 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:51.920 but it can be career altering. 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:56.080 In addition to Deal's crime scene report, Hartman scrutinized the 0:12:56.120 --> 0:13:00.360 forensic evidence bullet trajectory paths and the trial trap. 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:09.160 With his report standing alone, he was very thorough with 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:13.560 his photographs, and it's very difficult to photograph a crime 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:16.480 scene that is within a car because you can't mess 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:19.120 up anything. You got to lean in, you can't be 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:21.559 at a ninety degree angle sometimes. 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.719 To take a photograph. But with the three D. 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:30.040 Imaging also and his references, I felt like I was there. 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:34.000 He referred to things and I could follow it as 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:36.640 if I was with him and standing next to him. 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:41.520 I did not make an opinion about whether or not 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:47.000 this was a suicide murder or murders until I really 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:48.400 looked at the trajectories. 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:53.000 Hartman wouldn't be willing to share her opinion until testing 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:56.800 it through multiple scenarios, but having read the crime scene 0:13:56.880 --> 0:14:00.880 report and trial transcripts, she did have initial issues with 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:03.440 the way evidence was presented at Vaughn's trial. 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:06.880 Given what the jury was given, I'm not surprised he 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:11.320 was convicted because they weren't given everything. In my opinion, 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:14.360 if I was on that jury and was only given 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:20.000 that information, and this is more of a personal than 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:24.000 a professional opinion, if I was someone who is not 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:29.000 familiar with what to ask or what to expect of 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:32.960 a case. I would have convicted it because everything wasn't 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:33.680 put out there. 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.960 I had Hartman break down exactly what the crime scene 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:45.080 reconstruction would cover and test. This was to be the 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:48.720 first of two reconstructions, the second with the ballistics expert 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:51.600 who would further map out the exact trajectories. 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:57.040 We're going to reenact what the prosecution stated about the 0:14:57.080 --> 0:15:03.600 blood on the seatbelt and blood on Kim and where 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:07.960 Chris was shot. We need a visual and need to 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:11.200 be able to look at it to see if it 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:13.600 was possible what he said or if it was possible 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:14.160 what they said. 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:16.560 We're going to do all scenarios. 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:22.280 We need to be completely unbiased in that we need 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:27.440 to prove or disprove his story or their story period. 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:31.720 Hartman was clear that what would be revealed would not 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:33.520 be tied to any agenda. 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:36.600 When Bill asked me to be on this case, I 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:38.920 told him I'm the type of person that I'm not 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:41.600 going to give you what you want to hear. If 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:45.080 I think something isn't no, it doesn't fall along, I'm 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:47.280 going to tell you. That was my job. 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:48.960 I was there to prove or disprove it. 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:52.680 Someone did this, and if they did it, they did it. 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:55.840 I could not look at anything else. I had no 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:59.680 tunnel vision. Even if the person who did something maybe 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:02.760 had done something before and wasn't the best person, Well, 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:05.800 that's not what I was there for. I'm there for 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:11.560 that crime and whether or not we can prove who 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:12.320 did it. 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:18.840 The reconstruction's purpose was to test the multiple scenarios laid 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:22.120 out for what could have happened that day, to determine 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:25.760 the most plausible and likely one based on the forensics 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:29.680 of the crime scene without emotion. Hartman brought that same 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:32.040 objectivity to Bond's five page letter. 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:37.520 It was always my job to look at something in 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:41.960 the most unemotional way possible. I always was able to 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:46.120 really do that. I'm just not a very emotional person. 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:48.600 I think about who he's writing to. He's writing to 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:55.160 his mom and dad, and he seems still hopeless. He's 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:58.240 almost apologizing to his mom and dad that it's going 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:02.360 to be all brought up again. But as I read 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:07.879 his description of what happened, it was believable to me 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:10.719 as a crime scene person. If he had said that 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:13.800 in his interview, it would have made all the difference. 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:17.879 But that letter covered just one of the scenarios about 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:18.720 to be reenacted. 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:23.960 We're all going to get the visual of every scenario, 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:27.560 and that's important because you'd be amazed how you think 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:30.160 about something in your head. And everyone's different on how 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:34.119 they hold things, how they move. Movement is almost unique 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:38.359 to each person. So the way if she shot herself, 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:41.720 I wouldn't have shot myself that way. I would have 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:46.080 held again, probably differently, but that doesn't mean she didn't. 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:50.160 The crime scene reconstruction took place July fifteenth, twenty twenty one, 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:53.679 utilizing the exact make, model and color of the Bonds 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:57.639 family SUV and two actors named Nathan and Patty, who 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:01.080 are approximately the same height and weights Chris and Kimberly 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:03.720 Vaughan were at the time of the tragedy. It would 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:08.880 be filmed by seasoned investigative journalist, director and cameraman Ron Zimmerman. 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:11.919 In addition to having worked on America's Most Wanted for 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:15.480 twenty one years, Zimmerman has a resume that includes CNN 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:16.439 and twenty twenty. 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:20.400 To film the recreation, we wanted to cover all possible angles, 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:23.880 things that you wouldn't see just by standing on one 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:26.879 side of the car the other. So we had three 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:32.400 cameras small GoPros inside the car, one on the driver's 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:36.440 side pillar, one near the rear view mirror, and one 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:40.160 on the passenger side door pillar. Then there are two 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:44.719 cameras outside the car, one outside the driver's window handheld 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:49.439 and another one outside the passenger's window. The reason to 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:52.639 have so many angles is that at certain times during 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:56.080 the events that happened inside the car, it's best to 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:59.440 see it from a different angle. Otherwise one camera another's 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:02.240 going to be blocked by somebody's body. And that's when 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:04.400 the truth emerges, when you can see all the possible 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:07.200 angles and even slow it down to take it frame 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:07.760 by frame. 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:11.399 Back to Bill Clutter, the first demonstration we to do 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:15.200 is test the theory of the stay that Chris unbuckled 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:18.359 her seat belt, bled onto the seat belt and. 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:22.840 Explains the pattern of bloodstains you see on it on 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:23.879 the passenger's seat belt. 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:27.119 The mood was somber and filled with tension that was 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:30.600 in keeping with what was being reenacted and what it 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:31.280 could reveal. 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:35.560 So I think what we'll do, Katie, is we'll position 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:39.920 Patty and we'll do the positioning based on the crime 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:44.359 scene photos. And do the first demonstration where she's seat 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:47.720 belted and have him on seat belt her and then 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:49.760 Katie get Patty positioned. 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:54.440 Hartman and clutter recreated each scenario to be tested by 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:58.680 exhaustively referencing the crime scene photos and the crime scene reports. 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:02.399 Each actor was placed an exact position and given the 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:05.439 most basic directive in terms of motive or movement. 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:13.760 Remember, her feet were flat, she is slapped. Yeah, okay, 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:18.520 so you're feeling where her arm was pushed up. What's 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:20.399 important is how where this left arm is? 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:20.760 Okay. 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:24.840 To test the state's theory that vonnat unbuckled his wife 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:28.639 after she was shot, the actress playing Kimberly was positioned 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:32.000 exactly as Kimberly was photographed in the vehicle, with her 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:36.080 left arm covering the belted buckle. The crime scene reports 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:38.760 specifically state that her body did not appear to have 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:42.280 been moved after she was shot. Hartman then walked the 0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:46.680 actor playing Vaughn through his action without dictating any specific 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:49.879 directive in order to observe his intuitive movements. 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:56.480 What we're doing is these red dots signifiant what your 0:20:56.520 --> 0:20:57.119 injury is. 0:20:57.200 --> 0:20:57.520 Okay. 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:02.040 Red stickers were played based on places where both Chris 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:04.040 and Kim were actually shot. 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:09.240 So you have an abrupt injury, all right, Okay, So 0:21:09.480 --> 0:21:11.560 even though you can't really mimic how it would hurt, 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:13.040 and I don't really want you to, but what I 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:15.040 want you to do is when we tell you to 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:19.520 do something instinctively, how would you move if you had 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:20.359 injuries like that? 0:21:21.880 --> 0:21:24.520 Okay? All I want you. 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:28.200 To do, don't overthink it, okay is wait wait wait. 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:30.639 What I want you to do is keep in mind you've. 0:21:30.480 --> 0:21:34.640 Been injured, right, okay, and you reach over and unbuckle 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:35.440 per seatbelt. 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:35.919 Period. 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:36.400 That's it. 0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:36.800 That's it. 0:21:37.000 --> 0:21:37.280 Okay. 0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:42.399 When you restart, like all the scenarios, this would be 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:46.560 run multiple times, resetting everything before each take. 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:50.920 If you keep your arms this way until he gets 0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:52.800 in here, you can actually just lean over and ick 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:53.520 and make. 0:21:53.400 --> 0:21:55.439 Sure you're in that position when we get ready. 0:21:55.920 --> 0:21:59.720 And each take showed the same result to. 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:02.080 Her arm, and I did. 0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:02.400 Yeah. 0:22:02.440 --> 0:22:05.280 In order to get past the arm needed to move 0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:07.840 because her elbow. 0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:10.119 I needed to move her elbow. 0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:17.400 Okay, the female part of the elbow. 0:22:18.680 --> 0:22:21.000 Was under her yes, sir, yeah, I was under her 0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:23.359 elbow that needed to be moved in order to get 0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:25.040 to that button. 0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:29.639 Each time the state's theory was tested. To unbuckle the belt, 0:22:30.119 --> 0:22:34.520 the actor playing Christopher used his uninjured right arm to 0:22:34.640 --> 0:22:38.760 reach under the actress's upper left arm to access the belt. 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:43.440 With injuries and you know, some restricted movement to my arm, 0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:45.040 it would be difficult, and I felt I need to 0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:48.280 lean over this way and move a little more. So 0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:49.400 that's how I would do it. 0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:52.640 Doing so would have meant he would have passed through 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:56.320 Kimberly's blood, which was pooling on the back of the 0:22:56.320 --> 0:22:59.879 center console, and none of Kim's blood was found on 0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:03.280 Chris Baud's right arm. Next up was the buckling of 0:23:03.320 --> 0:23:04.200 the belt. 0:23:05.160 --> 0:23:08.480 Let's just instruct him to buckle her without giving him 0:23:08.480 --> 0:23:13.120 the story of what happened, without showing him the photo 0:23:13.280 --> 0:23:17.159 yet right to buckle her. Yeah, just to just instruct 0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:17.480 him to. 0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:20.280 Buckle right before we do the shocking photo. 0:23:20.720 --> 0:23:25.240 Because Chris had said that he had his eyes, we're 0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:28.280 going to do have him buckle her, you know, Okay, 0:23:28.720 --> 0:23:29.560 see you see what he does. 0:23:29.680 --> 0:23:33.280 Naturally, Hartman also had a theory. She wanted to test. 0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:35.760 What I want you to do now is you've just 0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:37.840 been shot in the wrist. What's the first thing you 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:38.480 think you would do. 0:23:39.160 --> 0:23:42.920 What do you think I would put pressure on the 0:23:42.960 --> 0:23:45.200 wound and elevate it, and you know that's what I 0:23:45.240 --> 0:23:45.600 would do. 0:23:45.760 --> 0:23:48.960 You would grab the wound because you're shot. God got you, right, Okay. 0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:54.040 Nathan immediately raised his left wrist and grabbed it with 0:23:54.080 --> 0:23:56.240 his right hand to stop the bleeding. 0:23:56.720 --> 0:23:59.240 So that just happened, and I want you to reach 0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:03.399 over and buckle her. So you've just been shot. 0:24:03.760 --> 0:24:03.920 Now. 0:24:04.040 --> 0:24:05.359 I didn't tell you to keep your hand there. 0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:05.960 You don't have to. 0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:08.240 I'm just saying what your first instinct was was. 0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:10.360 To my first instinct is going to be to check 0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:11.800 it out and go oh. 0:24:11.760 --> 0:24:13.639