1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: Murder in Illinois is a production of iHeartRadio. So there's 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: a sign that's as welcome to Pinkneyville, and the churches 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: of Pinkneyville welcome you. And it looks like they're about 4 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: twenty churches. So God in prisons. After months of letters 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: and emails, COVID restrictions were lifted in May, and Bill 6 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: Clutter and I were finally on our way to visit 7 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: Chris part As we get closer to the prison, is 8 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: absolutely pouring. 9 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 2: From you, quorks of lightning, you know, thunder yet, Yeah, 10 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 2: there are a lot of churches around here. 11 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 3: The abbess is the buckle of the Bible belt right 12 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 3: here southern Illinois. 13 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: As a result of good behavior during his time at Minard, 14 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: Christopher Vaughan was transferred to the Pinkneyville Correctional Center in 15 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, a medium security prison located in Perry County. 16 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 3: This is it the Pinkneyville Correctional Center. 17 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: So it's kind of a sprawling brick facility surrounded by 18 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: the wire. 19 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 3: It's not that old of a facility, hating. I'm within 20 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 3: the last right twenty or twenty five years. 21 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: So the parking lot looks pretty full. I'm assuming this 22 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: is where we go in It is all right. 23 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 3: Because to leave my cellphone. 24 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: Okay, so we should be about two hours. I have 25 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: my passport. I think we need two forms of what org. 26 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 4: All right? 27 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: Take a run for it, which is funny. I don't 28 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: think most people say they're going to make a run 29 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: for it as they're going into. 30 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 3: Present foreshadowed by thunder. 31 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: I'm Lauren breg Pacheco, and this is murder in Illinois. 32 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 5: Kay. 33 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 6: Disjuged fop Shah. 34 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 1: The check in process at Pinkneyville was thorough and impacted 35 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: by COVID protocol. We were vetted, masked, and temperature checked. 36 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: No personal belongings, phones, or recording devices were permitted. After 37 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: we were individually searched and padded down, we passed through 38 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: a metal detector and two additional checkpoints before entering the 39 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: cafeteria like room, where inmates were individually seated at small 40 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: tables surrounded by four fixed stools. Each tabletop was divided 41 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: into sections by high plexiglass a COVID precaution. We were 42 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: instructed to sit across from the inmate if possible, so 43 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: only one of us could sit next to Vaughn. Acoustics 44 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: were difficult as a result, especially when compounded by masks. 45 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: After communicating through email for so many months, it was 46 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: surreal to see and speak with Vaughn in person. The 47 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: two and a half hours that initially felt overwhelming ended 48 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: up passing quickly once we got used to raising our 49 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: voices and leaning forward enough to hear and be heard. 50 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: When we left and I got back into our car, 51 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, that was really interesting. I was still 52 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: trying to reconcile my expectations with the man I just met, 53 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: and there was a bit of an element of being 54 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: taken aback because he is not imposing in terms of 55 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: his height or his physicality. 56 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 7: He comes across a little bit more tough in photos 57 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 7: just because his head is shaven and he has a goatee, 58 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 7: but his mannerisms are so. 59 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: Mild. There's a fragility to him that goes hand in 60 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: hand with the introspective nature of how he speaks and 61 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: expresses himself. 62 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 3: Well, that's what kind of struck me, because you get 63 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 3: a sense that he's learned to survive in this environment 64 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 3: and he can't be a pleasant experience now fourteen years 65 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 3: in prison. 66 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: During our visit, Vaughan expressed the mental and emotional repercussions 67 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: of our communication. He apologized for wavering. Apparently he had 68 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: a really tough December because I was asking him to 69 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: access memories and feelings and emotions that he had kept 70 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: compartmentalized for so long. Then he wrote the five page 71 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: letter and then almost immediately he was done. 72 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 3: And one of the things I wanted to clarify with 73 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 3: him in our meeting was I always had concerns when 74 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 3: he started out in that letter telling his parents he 75 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 3: would fill in the gaps that I was concerned that 76 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 3: some of the things he was describing may have been 77 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 3: doing that. 78 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: He had no idea what that noise was. It never 79 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 1: occurred to him that there were gunshots happening within the car, 80 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: and he was in the quiet of a morning in 81 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: a big open field, and it was almost like this 82 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: ominous kind of echoing in the field. He didn't put 83 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:02,799 Speaker 1: two and two together, sounds like, didn't until he got 84 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: back in the car, after he believes she shot three 85 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: shots at him, that she fired three times. That's when 86 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: he really truly realized that the kids were all dead 87 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: in the back seat, and at that point she was 88 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:18,559 Speaker 1: dead as well. 89 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 3: He acknowledged today that he's really unclear about the sequences 90 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 3: of which shot occurred verse the wrist or the leg. 91 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 3: But the one memory that he did have that was 92 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 3: vivid and clear is closing his eyes to avoid looking 93 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 3: at Kim and reaching and grabbing her seat belt to 94 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 3: try to fasten her seatbelt and struggling with it, and 95 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 3: his hand was shaking, and that is consistent with the 96 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 3: forensic evidence that large saturation stain on Kim's seatbelt. The 97 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 3: clearest memory he has is after everything happened, I mean, 98 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 3: his description of leaning back in his seat and looking 99 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 3: at the children. That explains the transfer stain that was 100 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 3: on the back right side of his jacket back to 101 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 3: the seatbelt. And the version of the state that he 102 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 3: somehow unbuckled her seatbelt to stage the crime scene makes 103 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 3: no sense. 104 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: Because his blood would have been on the actual female part. 105 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 3: He would have taken his thumb and depressed the seatbelt, 106 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 3: and you wouldn't have all that blood saturating the seat belt. 107 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 3: But his description of closing his eyes because he couldn't 108 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 3: look at Kim's face, that I mean just a ghastly sight, 109 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 3: and reaching grabbing the seatbelt, trying to buckle her and 110 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 3: struggling to buckle because her arm is covering the female 111 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 3: part of the buckle. All of that makes perfect sense, 112 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 3: and there's enough time for him to saturate that seat 113 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 3: belt strap with his left wrist injury. I mean, he 114 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 3: acknowledged that that was the clearest memory he had of 115 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 3: what he was describing the letter. 116 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,119 Speaker 1: That memory was about to be put to the test 117 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: in a controlled scientific crime scene reconstruction. We connected with 118 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: Gail and Pierre, who traveled to meet us after the 119 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: visit to share more thoughts. He was very thankful and 120 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: kind of surprised that anybody cared. He reiterated how grateful 121 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: he's been for your support and how much that means. 122 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: I was so taken aback that there's no anger, that 123 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: he doesn't seem angry or bitter. I told him that 124 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: I had a couple of questions, and these are things 125 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: that stuck out, particularly in terms of the press and 126 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: the prosecution, and so much was made of the fact 127 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: that he was wearing the same outfit, and so I 128 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: asked him, why were you wearing the same clothes you 129 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: wore to the shooting range, And he said, because he 130 00:08:58,040 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: was working most of the night that he would often 131 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: work in his study and then kind of catnap. But 132 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: he brought all the clothes he was changing into. They 133 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: were in the back of the car. 134 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 6: But nobody said that. 135 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: And the other thing that really came through everything he 136 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: said about the dynamic of their relationship, and also that 137 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: when Kimberly got that degree from Phoenix that took seven 138 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: years I think to get, she was handed an empty diploma. 139 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: But also learned that when she started calling, she thought 140 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: that all of these doors would open to her because 141 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: she had this degree. But it wasn't respected and it 142 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: didn't open doors. That people actually dismissed it because it 143 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: was online. That's interesting, Yeah, and that upset her deeply, 144 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: and so that could have unfolded in real time and 145 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: could have led to her anxiety. 146 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 8: I still had a couple months to finish her degree, 147 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 8: to completely finish it, she still had a couple months 148 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 8: to go well. And in jest, when before all this happened, 149 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 8: Chris was saying, oh, yeah, now that you're going to 150 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 8: be a college degree person, you can go out and 151 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 8: make the big books, and I can quit and make 152 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 8: wood in the garage, would and play with the kids. 153 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 9: You know. 154 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 8: It was all in joke back then, then when it happened, 155 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 8: I guess that's a different story. 156 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: Well, he also talks about they had gotten to the 157 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,839 Speaker 1: point where they were going to stay together while the 158 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: kids were in the house, but that eventually they would be. 159 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 3: Leading separate lives. 160 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: In July of twenty twenty one, I flew to meet 161 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: Bill Clutter in Kentucky for the crime scene reconstruction that 162 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: would recreate the events of June fourteenth, two thousand and seven, 163 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: under the direction of a seasoned crime scene investigator. 164 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 6: My name's Kate Hartman. 165 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 5: I'm a retired crime scene investigator from Lowell Metro Police Department. 166 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 5: I worked for the Metro Police Department for twenty one years, 167 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 5: started in communications and then tested to go into the 168 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 5: crime scene unit. 169 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,599 Speaker 1: Hartman was secured by Bill Clutter to meticulously review the 170 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: Vaughan case. Because of her lack of proximity, she was 171 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: well suited to approach the task. 172 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 6: Well, I had no preconceived notions. 173 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 5: I'd never heard of it since it didn't happen in Kentucky, 174 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 5: I didn't know anybody involved. Police department used to wish 175 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 5: contacts throughout the United States, and I. 176 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 6: Had never heard of that case. 177 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 5: So I didn't have any of those prejudices at all. 178 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: In person, Katie Hartman comes across as no nonsense and direct. 179 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: She holds eye contact with a degree of scrutiny, in 180 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: keeping with her profession and reputation she's built both by 181 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: backing up instincts with science. She brought that same scrutiny 182 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: to reviewing Bob Deal's original crime scene report. 183 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 5: As a crime scene investigator, I really am impressed with 184 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 5: his work, and I'm a critical person. I used to 185 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 5: train people to do what I did, so I was 186 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 5: looking at it very I was ready to give him 187 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 5: Well Bill criticisms if need be, because I told Bill, 188 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 5: I'll give you exactly what I think good better in between. 189 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 5: And my first comment to him was, this guy's good. 190 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: It's really interesting because you know he was discredited. 191 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 5: I was told that after I read that he had 192 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 5: been discredited. So I wasn't shocked because I'm not shocked 193 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 5: by anything that happens. I've been victimized in that way 194 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 5: also through the years, not in the same way he has, 195 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 5: but it can be career altering. 196 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: In addition to Deal's crime scene report, Hartman scrutinized the 197 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: forensic evidence bullet trajectory paths and the trial trap. 198 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 5: With his report standing alone, he was very thorough with 199 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 5: his photographs, and it's very difficult to photograph a crime 200 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 5: scene that is within a car because you can't mess 201 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 5: up anything. You got to lean in, you can't be 202 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 5: at a ninety degree angle sometimes. 203 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,719 Speaker 6: To take a photograph. But with the three D. 204 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 5: Imaging also and his references, I felt like I was there. 205 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 5: He referred to things and I could follow it as 206 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 5: if I was with him and standing next to him. 207 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 5: I did not make an opinion about whether or not 208 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 5: this was a suicide murder or murders until I really 209 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 5: looked at the trajectories. 210 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: Hartman wouldn't be willing to share her opinion until testing 211 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: it through multiple scenarios, but having read the crime scene 212 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: report and trial transcripts, she did have initial issues with 213 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 1: the way evidence was presented at Vaughn's trial. 214 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 5: Given what the jury was given, I'm not surprised he 215 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 5: was convicted because they weren't given everything. In my opinion, 216 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 5: if I was on that jury and was only given 217 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 5: that information, and this is more of a personal than 218 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 5: a professional opinion, if I was someone who is not 219 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 5: familiar with what to ask or what to expect of 220 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 5: a case. I would have convicted it because everything wasn't 221 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 5: put out there. 222 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: I had Hartman break down exactly what the crime scene 223 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: reconstruction would cover and test. This was to be the 224 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: first of two reconstructions, the second with the ballistics expert 225 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: who would further map out the exact trajectories. 226 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 5: We're going to reenact what the prosecution stated about the 227 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 5: blood on the seatbelt and blood on Kim and where 228 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 5: Chris was shot. We need a visual and need to 229 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 5: be able to look at it to see if it 230 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 5: was possible what he said or if it was possible 231 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 5: what they said. 232 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 6: We're going to do all scenarios. 233 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 5: We need to be completely unbiased in that we need 234 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 5: to prove or disprove his story or their story period. 235 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: Hartman was clear that what would be revealed would not 236 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: be tied to any agenda. 237 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 5: When Bill asked me to be on this case, I 238 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 5: told him I'm the type of person that I'm not 239 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 5: going to give you what you want to hear. If 240 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 5: I think something isn't no, it doesn't fall along, I'm 241 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 5: going to tell you. That was my job. 242 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 6: I was there to prove or disprove it. 243 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 5: Someone did this, and if they did it, they did it. 244 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 5: I could not look at anything else. I had no 245 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 5: tunnel vision. Even if the person who did something maybe 246 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 5: had done something before and wasn't the best person, Well, 247 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 5: that's not what I was there for. I'm there for 248 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 5: that crime and whether or not we can prove who 249 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 5: did it. 250 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: The reconstruction's purpose was to test the multiple scenarios laid 251 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: out for what could have happened that day, to determine 252 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: the most plausible and likely one based on the forensics 253 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: of the crime scene without emotion. Hartman brought that same 254 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: objectivity to Bond's five page letter. 255 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 5: It was always my job to look at something in 256 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 5: the most unemotional way possible. I always was able to 257 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 5: really do that. I'm just not a very emotional person. 258 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 5: I think about who he's writing to. He's writing to 259 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 5: his mom and dad, and he seems still hopeless. He's 260 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 5: almost apologizing to his mom and dad that it's going 261 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 5: to be all brought up again. But as I read 262 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 5: his description of what happened, it was believable to me 263 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,719 Speaker 5: as a crime scene person. If he had said that 264 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 5: in his interview, it would have made all the difference. 265 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: But that letter covered just one of the scenarios about 266 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: to be reenacted. 267 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 5: We're all going to get the visual of every scenario, 268 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 5: and that's important because you'd be amazed how you think 269 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 5: about something in your head. And everyone's different on how 270 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 5: they hold things, how they move. Movement is almost unique 271 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 5: to each person. So the way if she shot herself, 272 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 5: I wouldn't have shot myself that way. I would have 273 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 5: held again, probably differently, but that doesn't mean she didn't. 274 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: The crime scene reconstruction took place July fifteenth, twenty twenty one, 275 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 1: utilizing the exact make, model and color of the Bonds 276 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: family SUV and two actors named Nathan and Patty, who 277 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: are approximately the same height and weights Chris and Kimberly 278 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: Vaughan were at the time of the tragedy. It would 279 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 1: be filmed by seasoned investigative journalist, director and cameraman Ron Zimmerman. 280 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 1: In addition to having worked on America's Most Wanted for 281 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: twenty one years, Zimmerman has a resume that includes CNN 282 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 1: and twenty twenty. 283 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 4: To film the recreation, we wanted to cover all possible angles, 284 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 4: things that you wouldn't see just by standing on one 285 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 4: side of the car the other. So we had three 286 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 4: cameras small GoPros inside the car, one on the driver's 287 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 4: side pillar, one near the rear view mirror, and one 288 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 4: on the passenger side door pillar. Then there are two 289 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:44,719 Speaker 4: cameras outside the car, one outside the driver's window handheld 290 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 4: and another one outside the passenger's window. The reason to 291 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 4: have so many angles is that at certain times during 292 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 4: the events that happened inside the car, it's best to 293 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 4: see it from a different angle. Otherwise one camera another's 294 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 4: going to be blocked by somebody's body. And that's when 295 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 4: the truth emerges, when you can see all the possible 296 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 4: angles and even slow it down to take it frame 297 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 4: by frame. 298 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: Back to Bill Clutter, the first demonstration we to do 299 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: is test the theory of the stay that Chris unbuckled 300 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: her seat belt, bled onto the seat belt and. 301 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 3: Explains the pattern of bloodstains you see on it on 302 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 3: the passenger's seat belt. 303 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: The mood was somber and filled with tension that was 304 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: in keeping with what was being reenacted and what it 305 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: could reveal. 306 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 3: So I think what we'll do, Katie, is we'll position 307 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 3: Patty and we'll do the positioning based on the crime 308 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 3: scene photos. And do the first demonstration where she's seat 309 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 3: belted and have him on seat belt her and then 310 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 3: Katie get Patty positioned. 311 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: Hartman and clutter recreated each scenario to be tested by 312 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: exhaustively referencing the crime scene photos and the crime scene reports. 313 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: Each actor was placed an exact position and given the 314 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: most basic directive in terms of motive or movement. 315 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 5: Remember, her feet were flat, she is slapped. Yeah, okay, 316 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 5: so you're feeling where her arm was pushed up. What's 317 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 5: important is how where this left arm is? 318 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 3: Okay. 319 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: To test the state's theory that vonnat unbuckled his wife 320 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: after she was shot, the actress playing Kimberly was positioned 321 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: exactly as Kimberly was photographed in the vehicle, with her 322 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: left arm covering the belted buckle. The crime scene reports 323 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: specifically state that her body did not appear to have 324 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: been moved after she was shot. Hartman then walked the 325 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: actor playing Vaughn through his action without dictating any specific 326 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 1: directive in order to observe his intuitive movements. 327 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 5: What we're doing is these red dots signifiant what your 328 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 5: injury is. 329 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 6: Okay. 330 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: Red stickers were played based on places where both Chris 331 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: and Kim were actually shot. 332 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 5: So you have an abrupt injury, all right, Okay, So 333 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 5: even though you can't really mimic how it would hurt, 334 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 5: and I don't really want you to, but what I 335 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 5: want you to do is when we tell you to 336 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 5: do something instinctively, how would you move if you had 337 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 5: injuries like that? 338 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 6: Okay? All I want you. 339 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 5: To do, don't overthink it, okay is wait wait wait. 340 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 6: What I want you to do is keep in mind you've. 341 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 5: Been injured, right, okay, and you reach over and unbuckle 342 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 5: per seatbelt. 343 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 10: Period. 344 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 6: That's it. 345 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 4: That's it. 346 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 6: Okay. 347 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: When you restart, like all the scenarios, this would be 348 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: run multiple times, resetting everything before each take. 349 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 5: If you keep your arms this way until he gets 350 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 5: in here, you can actually just lean over and ick 351 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 5: and make. 352 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 6: Sure you're in that position when we get ready. 353 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: And each take showed the same result to. 354 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 6: Her arm, and I did. 355 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 8: Yeah. 356 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 11: In order to get past the arm needed to move 357 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 11: because her elbow. 358 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 6: I needed to move her elbow. 359 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 3: Okay, the female part of the elbow. 360 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 11: Was under her yes, sir, yeah, I was under her 361 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 11: elbow that needed to be moved in order to get 362 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 11: to that button. 363 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: Each time the state's theory was tested. To unbuckle the belt, 364 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: the actor playing Christopher used his uninjured right arm to 365 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: reach under the actress's upper left arm to access the belt. 366 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 11: With injuries and you know, some restricted movement to my arm, 367 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 11: it would be difficult, and I felt I need to 368 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 11: lean over this way and move a little more. So 369 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 11: that's how I would do it. 370 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 1: Doing so would have meant he would have passed through 371 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: Kimberly's blood, which was pooling on the back of the 372 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 1: center console, and none of Kim's blood was found on 373 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: Chris Baud's right arm. Next up was the buckling of 374 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 1: the belt. 375 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 3: Let's just instruct him to buckle her without giving him 376 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 3: the story of what happened, without showing him the photo 377 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 3: yet right to buckle her. Yeah, just to just instruct 378 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 3: him to. 379 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 6: Buckle right before we do the shocking photo. 380 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 5: Because Chris had said that he had his eyes, we're 381 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 5: going to do have him buckle her, you know, Okay, 382 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 5: see you see what he does. 383 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: Naturally, Hartman also had a theory. She wanted to test. 384 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 6: What I want you to do now is you've just 385 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 6: been shot in the wrist. What's the first thing you 386 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 6: think you would do. 387 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 11: What do you think I would put pressure on the 388 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 11: wound and elevate it, and you know that's what I 389 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 11: would do. 390 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 6: You would grab the wound because you're shot. God got you, right, Okay. 391 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: Nathan immediately raised his left wrist and grabbed it with 392 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: his right hand to stop the bleeding. 393 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 5: So that just happened, and I want you to reach 394 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 5: over and buckle her. So you've just been shot. 395 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 4: Now. 396 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 6: I didn't tell you to keep your hand there. 397 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 4: You don't have to. 398 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 6: I'm just saying what your first instinct was was. 399 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 11: To my first instinct is going to be to check 400 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 11: it out and go oh. 401 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 6: But yet you still want a buckler. So what do 402 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 6: you do? Don't overthink it, just do it. Just do 403 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 6: this as quick as I could. Now, don't look. 404 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 3: Are you? Oh? 405 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 10: Interesting? 406 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: Yeah? 407 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 6: Okay, okay, you didn't do anything wrong. You know what 408 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 6: you need. 409 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 5: We'd ask you to do what you would do if 410 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 5: your wrist hurt and you had grabbed it. 411 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 6: The reason why I was telling you what would you. 412 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 5: Do if you got hurt and your wrist it was 413 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 5: because I also think somebody would have put their hand 414 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 5: on top of the wound. 415 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: Each time the scenario was tested. The actor simply moved 416 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: the actress's left arm and buckled her with his right hand. 417 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: Keep in mind, both of his hands could have been 418 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 1: covered with his own blood had he been clasping his 419 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: wounded left wrist, so he would have left some prints 420 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 1: on her left arm which were not present at the 421 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: actual crime scene. Next tested was the scenario covered in 422 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: Chris's letter and his description of how he attempted to 423 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: buckle his deceased wife. This was the first time the 424 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: actor playing Chris was told in the actual specifics of 425 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: the case. 426 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 3: And so this is a recent letter we received from Chris. 427 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 7: Ravaughan, who is the person that you're playing. 428 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 3: For, right, and he's serving a life sentence in Illinois. 429 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 3: He wrote this letter to his parents in March of 430 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, and he says, she then turned the 431 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 3: gun on herself and fired, and then I thought to 432 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 3: drive the truck. Kim was slumped, so I tried to 433 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 3: buckle her. My hands shook badly. I couldn't buckle the belt. 434 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: He also should understand why his hands are shaking badly. 435 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: He's been shot twice. But your three children are all 436 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: dead in the backseat, So that's the emotion that's going 437 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: through your head and part of why you're shaking. 438 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 11: Adrenaline, shaking violently. 439 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 3: Yes, I would be. 440 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: Now, your wife also has a single gunshot wound under 441 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 1: her chin, and this is what he's looking at, and 442 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: I apologize. Swick In order to understand Christopher Vaughn's movements, 443 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: we have to address what he was reacting to. The 444 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: crime scene photo of Kimberly Vaughn is extremely graphic. What 445 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: it captures in person would have been even more so. 446 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: She slumped to the left, her head tilted back over 447 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: her left shoulder and facing the driver's seat. Her left 448 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: eye is bulging from its socket, and the bullet that 449 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: entered under her chin has severed her upper palette and 450 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: teeth into So when we visited Chris in prison, we 451 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: ask him to explain what was going through his head, 452 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: and as an actor, I want you to see it 453 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: because it's pretty telling. He stopped, he paused, he closed 454 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: his eyes, and he cringed away from it. And then 455 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: he threw his right arm around her. 456 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 12: As he leaned forward because he didn't want to touch 457 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 12: or look at her as he was buckling, and then 458 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 12: he used his injured left arm to assist his right arm. 459 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: So that's what we would like you to keep in mind. 460 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 11: Okay, all right, all right, Yeah, there's that photo. 461 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 6: One more time, one more time. Now, that's right here. 462 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 4: I think where Patty's face is. 463 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 6: That's her. Okay, that close? 464 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 3: All right, excellent. 465 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: Each and every time the actor recreated this scenario, we 466 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: watched in silence, not wanting to interrupt what was being 467 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: clearly illustrated. Each time, the movement vond described seamlessly overlapped 468 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: with the forensic in terms of where and how his 469 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: blood appeared on the seat belt, the buckle, where the 470 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: droplets were found on the passenger floor, kim shirt, and 471 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: the center console, in addition to how her blood transferred 472 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 1: to the right back of his fleece. 473 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 6: Yeah, shaking, I see her and give up. 474 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 11: I think that's how I would do it. 475 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 6: Okay. 476 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: Next, they tested the state scenario of how Vaughn was 477 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: alleged to have murdered his wife. It was equally as 478 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: telling and compelling as the seat belt. They first attempted 479 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: it with Vaughn sitting in the driver's seat. 480 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,959 Speaker 3: This is the state's theory of the case that Christopher 481 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,479 Speaker 3: Vaughn shot and killed his wife and then stage did 482 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 3: to look like a suicide because this wound under her 483 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 3: chin as a classic self inflicted thing. So we want 484 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 3: you to get her to cooperate while you kill her. 485 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 3: So and it has to look like a suicide. It 486 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 3: can't be jammed hard against her chin, because that didn't 487 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 3: happen according to the autopsy. But it was kind of 488 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 3: light contact, loose contact under her chin when it fired. 489 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 3: And of course, Patty, you're alive, and you have to 490 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 3: assume that you're in a struggle for. 491 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 11: Survivor and your babies are back there right malware, and. 492 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 5: You know what, we're making this assumption again, but in 493 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 5: these reenactments, some assumptions need to be made because we 494 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 5: are trying to think of how we would act as humans, 495 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 5: human beings. So Patty, you know your mom, you know 496 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 5: how you would act. 497 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 6: You know it's it. 498 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: Would have gotten a back seat even just acting. The 499 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: re enactment participants drew blood trying to get into position, 500 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: and it happened when the actors were seated in the 501 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: front seats and when the actor playing Chris was positioned 502 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: outside the passenger window. In keeping with Sergeant Gary Lawson's theory. 503 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 3: All. 504 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 13: Yes, how about in her here here, see you. 505 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 6: Okay. 506 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: Eventually they came to the scenario where the actor playing 507 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: Chris shot the kids from the driver's seat to test 508 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: all possibilities. 509 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 3: Okay, each child is shot twice, once in the abdomen, 510 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 3: once in the head. So you're going to be aiming 511 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 3: for these targets there. 512 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 9: Okay. 513 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: This was one of the many moments of that day 514 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: that underscored the brutal, tragic reality of what transpired in 515 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: that suv fourteen years ago, but every possibility needed to 516 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: be explored and tested without bias or emotion. 517 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 6: Think of it. 518 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 5: Okay, you've got three kids here, head to head, torso, 519 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 5: head to it and I don't know if it was 520 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 5: that order or not. 521 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 6: Okay, just I want to see. 522 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 5: We want to see how you would be able to 523 00:30:58,840 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 5: shoot them. 524 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 6: I'm not in it if you go on their theory 525 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 6: or not. Okay, because they think he shot himself. 526 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 4: And where's he going to shoot from here? 527 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 6: He's gonna sit in the driver's seat. Yeah, we do. 528 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 5: You need to be here because your head might be 529 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 5: in the way. Now you've already shot Patty. 530 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 6: Okay, she's deceased. She's deceased. Seat built on lay like 531 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 6: you were there. You go all. 532 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 5: Right, Okay, ready, Bill, Okay, I'm just shot. 533 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 3: I just shot. 534 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 6: You see how you had to Okay, that's good, that's good. Okay. 535 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: Next, they tried out the scenario with Chris standing outside 536 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: the car. Immediately, the height of the actor portraying the 537 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 1: five foot nine vond stood out in start contrasts with 538 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: the size of the large s u V. 539 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 6: First, with the door shot in supposed way, the windows down. 540 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 6: I want you to. 541 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 11: Shoot the kids from this, yeah, one two, one two, one. 542 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 5: Okay, I'll see that he would have had to reach 543 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 5: in overpay and feel free to stand on the running. 544 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 3: The most reach you can get. 545 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 14: These are shot with representation. 546 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 6: The kids were head shots. 547 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. 548 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 5: So what I think would be very, very difficult was 549 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 5: for the little boy the way I mean, two girls 550 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 5: are the trajectories crazy, But we're wanting to see how 551 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 5: he could have even done that. 552 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: It's really interesting that in every single scenario he's reached 553 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: to the left of her seat. Each time the actor 554 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: portraying Chris tried to make the shots that would have 555 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: hit Blake, seated directly behind the passenger seat. He did 556 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: so by moving the gun from the center of the 557 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: vehicle to the left of the passenger seat headrest, which 558 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: was not consistent with the actual trajectory according to ballistic evidence. 559 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 6: I guess I'm. 560 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 5: Trying to say the natural movement of a person trying 561 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 5: to reach back there and kill those kids for us 562 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 5: would have been crazy trajectory and very hard to do. 563 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 6: I mean it's possible, of course, it's possible, but it 564 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 6: doesn't match. Yeah, he's got his hand in here and everything. 565 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 5: So okay, now one more doors open and you're killing 566 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 5: the kids. Look that last one is what gets from 567 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 5: either any of these. 568 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 6: You know, left arm right. 569 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: Watching the actor struggle to keep his balance on the 570 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: sideboard with his left arm as he tried to lean 571 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: into the suv far enough to make the trajectories of 572 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: the shots fired with precision over the actress's left side 573 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: called to mind the original CSI Bob Deal's words after 574 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: Sergeant Gary Lawson expressed his theory the day of the murders, 575 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: it was friggin' impossible. Next, Hartman gave the actress playing 576 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: Kim a directive. 577 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:11,800 Speaker 5: Now, ay, I'm going you're alive, turn around to kill kids. 578 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 6: How would you shoot people in the backseat? 579 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 3: Just do the movement. 580 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 6: Ready, okay, go aheadny. 581 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 10: Okay. 582 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 6: I just wanted to see the angle, all right, Now 583 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 6: take it off, do something thank mm hmm. Changes the 584 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 6: angle totally. 585 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: Unbelted. The actress seated in the passenger seat instinctively and 586 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: rapidly recreated trajectories in keeping with the bullets fired into 587 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: the back seat if. 588 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,879 Speaker 5: He were to have come back to the car he's 589 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 5: getting back in and yeah, he thought he heard an 590 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,959 Speaker 5: explosion or something in the car she's waiting for him. 591 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 1: After hours of running multiple scenarios, the ultimate conclusion was 592 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 1: that the prosecution's version of what happened would have been 593 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: extremely implausible, if not impossible. Here's seasoned crime journalist Ron Zimmerman, 594 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:17,919 Speaker 1: who filmed the reconstruction. 595 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 4: I've done hundreds of reenactments for shows like America's Most 596 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 4: Wanted and Unsolved Mysteries, and this one stands above a 597 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 4: lot of those for a number of reasons. When you 598 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,919 Speaker 4: really examine the reenactment point by point by point, from 599 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 4: all these different angles, you really see how Christopher's explanation 600 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 4: to his parents in a letter rings true. This didn't 601 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 4: come out at the time of interrogation, didn't come out 602 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 4: at the time of trial. He didn't try to build 603 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 4: a story to explain his behavior a way to investigators 604 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 4: like us. But it was fourteen years later that this 605 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 4: all came out in a letter to his parents where 606 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 4: he just tried to get to the honest truth of it. 607 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 4: And it's searingly honest that letter to his parents about 608 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 4: what happened. Kim shot the kids, she shot Christopher, then 609 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 4: she shot herself, and then he tried to buckle her 610 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 4: in and failed at that. It wasn't successful in buckling 611 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 4: her in, but he left the trail of blood. All 612 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,280 Speaker 4: of those are things that we can see. The blood 613 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 4: evidence doesn't lie. It tells the story, and it tells 614 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 4: the true facts of what happened. 615 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: Katie Hartman agrees. 616 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 5: The physicality of all of this does not match with 617 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 5: what the prosecution said it happened, or Lowson or any 618 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 5: of them. 619 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 6: Deal was right. 620 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 3: Deal was right. Deal was right. 621 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, he was right. 622 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 5: I am the last person that's going to say a 623 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 5: policeman was wrong. 624 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,279 Speaker 6: I am. But when they're wrong. 625 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 3: They're wrong. 626 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 1: Hartman believes Deal's break with the official version of events 627 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,760 Speaker 1: would not have been without consequences. 628 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,879 Speaker 5: Other police don't like other police that. 629 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 6: Aren't being honest. 630 00:36:54,680 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 5: So Deal sadly he was in a vine a career 631 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:01,399 Speaker 5: ending bad. 632 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 6: But it's my opinion that Deal was right. 633 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 5: Really, the evidence shows that it did not happen the 634 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 5: way the prosecution said. 635 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 1: We proved that, and the crime scene reconstruction aligned with 636 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: Christopher Bond's five page letter. Here's Bill Clutter. 637 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 3: It is my opinion that Chris's statement to his parents 638 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:28,799 Speaker 3: disclosed in March of twenty twenty one, does explain how 639 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 3: the blood got on the seatbelt and the left leg 640 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 3: and arm of his wife. That does explain all of 641 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 3: the blood that was found of Chris's and Bob Deal 642 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 3: had it right along. The crime scene was consistent with 643 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 3: the murder suicide. The state's theory as to how Chris's 644 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 3: blood got on the seatbelt and on his wife's body 645 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 3: is it simply didn't happen the way they said it did. 646 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 3: The seat belt was such a critical piece of evidence 647 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 3: that based on that alone, I think we've proven the 648 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 3: sufficient evidence to vacate the conviction. 649 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: I called Gale and Pierre with my thoughts as soon 650 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,319 Speaker 1: as I got back to the hotel, I can tell 651 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 1: you with absolute confidence, having seen what I saw today, 652 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 1: that we're able to very effectively show what happened that 653 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:26,319 Speaker 1: day was not what the courtroom was privy to. 654 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 10: Oh my gosh, Lauren, that's It's like I knew it 655 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:37,760 Speaker 10: in my home and I knew he didn't do it. 656 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,360 Speaker 10: Right Now we have evidence for you know, everybody to 657 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 10: look at. 658 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 1: Once Bill had put together an initial summary of the 659 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 1: crime scene reconstruction finds, we reached out to update Jason Vlahm. 660 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 3: I sent you a draft of my report. But in 661 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 3: a nutshell, we've tested the state's theory that Christopher unbuckled 662 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 3: his wife's seatbelt somehow to stage the crime scene. It 663 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:23,760 Speaker 3: was interesting that when we gave the actor instructions to 664 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,720 Speaker 3: unbuckle the seat belt the passenger's seat belt, he uses 665 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:32,319 Speaker 3: his right hand, has to actually move the left arm 666 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:37,240 Speaker 3: of our actress and depresses it with his right hand 667 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,760 Speaker 3: without a left arm, which is bleeding over the body 668 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 3: of Kimberly. So that really debunks the state's theory that 669 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:50,239 Speaker 3: Christopher staged the crime scene by unbuckling his wife's seat belt. 670 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:55,520 Speaker 3: The second demonstration we did was to role play what 671 00:39:55,719 --> 00:40:00,400 Speaker 3: Chris described that he reached around his wife to the 672 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,800 Speaker 3: passenger's seatbelt in an attempt to buckle her in because 673 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,800 Speaker 3: he thought about driving away to get help. The movements 674 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:14,800 Speaker 3: of that scenario really explains how Chris's passive blood drops 675 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,800 Speaker 3: from his left wrist blood over the top of his wife, 676 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 3: because in making that reach, the left hand arcs over 677 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 3: the female actress, and it's totally consistent with where we 678 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,280 Speaker 3: find Chris's blood. 679 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 1: So that letter and his explanation of the movement overlap 680 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:42,000 Speaker 1: seamlessly in Bill's opinion and in Katie Hartman the CSI 681 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:47,319 Speaker 1: from Kentucky, and we were able to repeat it multiple times. 682 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:52,719 Speaker 14: I can't help thinking, as we're having this conversation that 683 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 14: probably a significant percentage of the general public believes or 684 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 14: wants to believe that this type of stuff is done 685 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:05,160 Speaker 14: and pre conviction right or pre trial, and that our 686 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:10,000 Speaker 14: system works because people get a fair shake and you know, 687 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 14: you get to present this evidence and CSI. I think 688 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 14: we need to believe it works properly, because otherwise the 689 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,880 Speaker 14: default is to say, oh, no, this could happen to me, 690 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,359 Speaker 14: and nobody wants to believe that. Nobody can believe that. 691 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,960 Speaker 14: I think that this case is so important because Christopher 692 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,440 Speaker 14: could be any one of us. He was a guy 693 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:33,200 Speaker 14: who I think may be easier to relate to than 694 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,239 Speaker 14: some other people that are caught up in our system. 695 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,359 Speaker 14: For a lot of people, you know, here's a guy 696 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,560 Speaker 14: on the way to an amusement park with his family, 697 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 14: working a good job, seemingly American dream type of stuff. 698 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:55,800 Speaker 14: In an instant, everything turns to shit. Rights It's a lot. 699 00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 14: So I'm sure for your audience this is a lot 700 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,479 Speaker 14: to process, you know, And for Chris, he's still living 701 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:03,839 Speaker 14: it every minute of every day. 702 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,399 Speaker 1: That reality was underscored by another takeaway from the crime 703 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:13,960 Speaker 1: scene reconstruction. When we tasked the actors to have that 704 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:18,520 Speaker 1: final shot, both actors drew blood in just trying to 705 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:23,520 Speaker 1: get into position that there was just in the act 706 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:28,120 Speaker 1: of trying to put the gun underneath. There was bruising 707 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 1: and there was blood, and they weren't going at it 708 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:35,400 Speaker 1: full strength. So it is very telling that there is 709 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 1: no sign of a struggle. Kimberly Bond's nails were scraped, 710 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,839 Speaker 1: There is no DNA belonging to Chris Vaughn. There were 711 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,480 Speaker 1: no scratch marks, there was no pulled hair, there were 712 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 1: no bruises on their arm. There was nothing to suggest 713 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,799 Speaker 1: that she was held in place while a gun was 714 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,239 Speaker 1: placed ever so slightly apart from the soft area of 715 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:55,719 Speaker 1: her chin. 716 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,400 Speaker 14: Any mother would bite to the death in a situation 717 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,600 Speaker 14: like that, because she's got her kids. Whether the kids 718 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,680 Speaker 14: were still alive or not, in whichever scenario you want 719 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 14: to paint, if they had already been shot, she would 720 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:13,279 Speaker 14: have been like a cat right with the claws. I mean, 721 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,440 Speaker 14: think about any parent, right, what they would do to somebody, 722 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,719 Speaker 14: regardless if it's their husband or anyone who had just 723 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,839 Speaker 14: murdered their children, right, or if they're still alive, you'd 724 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,880 Speaker 14: be fighting to keep them alive and to keep this 725 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:30,799 Speaker 14: gun away from yourself and them. And Bill, let me 726 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,560 Speaker 14: ask you this, because you're the expert, right, So I'm 727 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,000 Speaker 14: just thinking she was shot under the chin, right, which 728 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 14: is a classic thing that people do when they take 729 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,919 Speaker 14: their own lives with a gun. Not everybody, but it's 730 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,960 Speaker 14: sort of common. But my question is just in terms 731 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,120 Speaker 14: of strength and leverage, right. I mean, Chris is not 732 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,800 Speaker 14: a huge powerful guy, and if he was to stick 733 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,640 Speaker 14: his arm up in a position where the gun would 734 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,879 Speaker 14: be pointing upwards, his arm would be weak in that position, right, 735 00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,440 Speaker 14: And she would have a relatively easy time because she 736 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,120 Speaker 14: would have the leverage to be able to take her 737 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:07,920 Speaker 14: hand with her downward strength and push his arm down right. 738 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,520 Speaker 14: At a very minimum, the shot would have been wild 739 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,520 Speaker 14: because he would have had no ability to keep his 740 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,319 Speaker 14: hand with the gun positioned under her chin for even 741 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,960 Speaker 14: a second long enough they got off a shot if 742 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,600 Speaker 14: she was making even a modest attempt to push his 743 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:23,320 Speaker 14: arm down. 744 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:24,799 Speaker 3: No, that's absolutely right. 745 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,440 Speaker 14: Let's think of this logically. So then he's going to 746 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,160 Speaker 14: sort of gently go, honey, hold still for a second. 747 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,360 Speaker 14: I'm just going to gently place my hand with this pistol, 748 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,160 Speaker 14: which you can plainly see up under your chin, very 749 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,879 Speaker 14: you know, calmly, and you just hold motionless. 750 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,200 Speaker 3: No, I mean no, Yeah, that didn't happen. 751 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:52,440 Speaker 14: As you pull back these layers, it becomes so painfully obvious. 752 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,359 Speaker 14: I mean, I'm just going to come out and say, 753 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,479 Speaker 14: this is not what happened, and that's why we're here. 754 00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,759 Speaker 1: As I finished this episode, I reach back out to 755 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,760 Speaker 1: Katie Hartman for her final analysis. After having some time 756 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,200 Speaker 1: to process both the reconstruction and Bill's report. 757 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,239 Speaker 6: My thoughts from that day were many. 758 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,959 Speaker 9: What was alleged to have happened by the prosecution, we 759 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:21,440 Speaker 9: were able to disprove and what was the defense's explanation 760 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,520 Speaker 9: wasn't fully brought to a conclusion either. 761 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:33,160 Speaker 1: In your opinion, based on what the crime scene reconstruction revealed, 762 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:39,000 Speaker 1: do you believe that there is reasonable doubt that Christopher 763 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,759 Speaker 1: Vond killed his wife and three children that day? 764 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:43,200 Speaker 6: Very much? 765 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:43,279 Speaker 3: So. 766 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:48,240 Speaker 9: We went from everything from Christopher as the prosecution alleged 767 00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:52,000 Speaker 9: to shooting from the outside. We went to Christopher shooting 768 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:56,840 Speaker 9: from the inside, Christopher shooting with the passenger door opened 769 00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,680 Speaker 9: and shooting Kim and the kids, Christopher with the or closed, 770 00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,080 Speaker 9: to shooting Kim and the character. None of those things 771 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:09,320 Speaker 9: were possible with the angles that the three d presented. 772 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,680 Speaker 9: It was shocking, to be honest, that it was even 773 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,560 Speaker 9: brought to trial and it ended up at the end 774 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:23,320 Speaker 9: of the day the most logical way was that Kim 775 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,719 Speaker 9: did it. And that's hard for. 776 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,640 Speaker 1: Me to say that did some murder suicide. 777 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:34,279 Speaker 9: Yeah, and that's hard because it's terrible that these three 778 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:35,000 Speaker 9: babies died. 779 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:36,480 Speaker 4: But it's hard to. 780 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,080 Speaker 6: Look at it and see that. 781 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:46,520 Speaker 9: The man's in prison because a lot of people got 782 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:52,000 Speaker 9: a tunnel vision and didn't didn't listen, and had already 783 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:56,480 Speaker 9: figured out in their minds what happened is It? 784 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,960 Speaker 1: On the final episode of Murder in Illinois. The daunting 785 00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,600 Speaker 1: hurdles that remain for Christopher Vaughan, the. 786 00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,640 Speaker 3: Prosepcutors who got it wrong are always the last to 787 00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,719 Speaker 3: admit that they made a mistake. 788 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,440 Speaker 1: Are met with some impressive offers of assistance. 789 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:36,359 Speaker 14: We've had nine exonerations, and my goal is to make 790 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,040 Speaker 14: mister Vaughan the tenth. 791 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:43,239 Speaker 1: And a very significant spotlight. Murder in Illinois is a 792 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,920 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. Executive producers are Lauren Priie Pacheco and 793 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:52,000 Speaker 1: Taylor Chacoine. 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