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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff from the Science Lab from how stuff

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Speaker 1: works dot com. Hey guys, this is Alison I don't

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Speaker 1: about the science hows to freaks dot com. And this

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Speaker 1: is Robert Lamb, science writer at how stuff works dot com.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to our spooky podcast. Yes, we are continuing to

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Speaker 1: uh get a little spooky here with our topics and

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Speaker 1: uh say, we're venturing into the graveyard. Yes, into the cemetery,

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Speaker 1: which I think for most people like, especially since we

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Speaker 1: You may be picturing like a you know, a darkly

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Speaker 1: there's a you know, it's like there's a moon in

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Speaker 1: Jackson because this is thrill. Yeah, I mean that's totally

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Speaker 1: what I picture. Vincent Pryor is cackling in the background. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think we can all instantly, you know, go there

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Speaker 1: imagining the creepy haunted cemetery. Um, but in real life,

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Speaker 1: do you ever you ever go to the cemetery. I

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Speaker 1: do sometimes I run through them. Yeah. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: that if you paid me enough, I would sleep in

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Speaker 1: one in a cemetery for then I could be persuaded

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Speaker 1: to do that. I'm not sure what the fee would be. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: would you No, I'm just thinking we should like try

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Speaker 1: the blogs. Maybe we can, we can. I think I

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Speaker 1: can do it by myself. It would be better if

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Speaker 1: I were allowed to take my dog, I think. But

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Speaker 1: it's true because dogs can sense uh yes, of course

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Speaker 1: they can't, very scientific and ghosts hate dogs, right, Oh,

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Speaker 1: but they like cats? Is that what you're getting out

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Speaker 1: of it? Well, that's that's an interesting thing because people

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Speaker 1: bring up the you know, the fact a lot that

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Speaker 1: that cats do like to hang out in cemeteries and

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Speaker 1: a lot of that, Like, realistically, it comes down to

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Speaker 1: their fewer people in a cemetery, people were less likely

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Speaker 1: to be mean to cats, and cats like lounging around

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Speaker 1: on stuff that's been warmed by the sun. You know.

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Speaker 1: So there's all that you know, and not to mention

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Speaker 1: the chipmunks. Yes, yeah, right, so you're gonna bring up

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Speaker 1: your obligatory reference of Phantasm, the movie that you try

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Speaker 1: to work into. Many podcasts have brought utast. You have

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Speaker 1: brought up fantastic People. Okay, well, A Phantasm one of

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Speaker 1: those great films that delivers the whole spooky graveyard thing.

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Speaker 1: And this is what you think of when you think

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Speaker 1: of grave. Yeah, it's hard, it's hard not to think

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Speaker 1: of the movie Phantasm. But in real life, UM, I

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Speaker 1: really like going to Oakland Cemetery here in Atlanta. Which

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Speaker 1: did you We just went, Yeah, yeah, we just went.

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Speaker 1: You know, we can weather. It's great for it right now.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it's a it's a it's an historic

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Speaker 1: check out some of the old cats buried there. I

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Speaker 1: mean inside casts, I mean here. There's not a pet

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Speaker 1: cemetery in Oakland. Oh, that is a good movie. That

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Speaker 1: I don't remember much about the movie, but the book

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Speaker 1: the scarp? Why are we so scared of cemeteries? Well,

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Speaker 1: well not it's not as whack and white as that.

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Speaker 1: But but when we start thinking about death, it's like

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Speaker 1: The study from a Chicago's Mount Sinai Hospital. This was

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Speaker 1: These patients were all the hospice. Yeah, yeah, chronic we're

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Speaker 1: bringing life into the world. It's just really interesting. I

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Speaker 1: right there for you. That's pretty cool, it's pretty ingenious. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a high tech solution to u, you know, a

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Speaker 1: very real problem. But there's one final thing we're gonna

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Speaker 1: cover that you can do with your ashes, which I'm

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Speaker 1: not surprised that you brought up because you are kind

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Speaker 1: as int like I have friends that are DJs and

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Speaker 1: they're super into vinyl. You know, friend of mine has

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Speaker 1: a basement just full of vinyl. So does death have

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Speaker 1: something to do with vinyl? Yes? It does. And there's

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Speaker 1: like and finally and vinyl, you know, and uh, and

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Speaker 1: what they'll do is pretty amazing. They will, um, they

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Speaker 1: will take your ashes and they will press them into

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Speaker 1: a vinyl record. I'm curious about the whole integration process

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Speaker 1: and how that works. Well, apparently they have to spread

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Speaker 1: the ashes have to be sprinkled onto the raw piece

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Speaker 1: a biscuit or a puck, and then they press it

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Speaker 1: into the plates. So it's you know, it's it's in there,

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Speaker 1: just pressed, you know, into it. So it's not just

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Speaker 1: the ashes being made into a record. And uh, and

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Speaker 1: it's you can actually play this, um, you know, on

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Speaker 1: a record player. They say that each one will be

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Speaker 1: like a twenty four minute track and for about two

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Speaker 1: thousand pounds, you know, you can get artwork and everything

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Speaker 1: and up to thirty discs with your ashes inside them. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so here's the thing. What song? Oh yeah, is this

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Speaker 1: a curious question. Actually, when I first found the story,

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Speaker 1: I threw it out on Twitter and ask a few people,

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Speaker 1: the blogs, and he said that he would go with

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Speaker 1: the end by the doors. That was really so it's

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Speaker 1: that's a that's a tough one to top. I would

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Speaker 1: probably personally go with something really beautiful and serene off

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Speaker 1: of one of one of the boards of Canada albums.

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Speaker 1: But that's just because you know, I like the serenity

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Speaker 1: of the sound, you know. But I think also people

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Speaker 1: would often do like some the ideas that you would do,

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Speaker 1: like a personal message on these see but I would

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Speaker 1: rather do the music I can well. And so I've

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Speaker 1: thought about my death mix. Have you not? Have you here?

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Speaker 1: Have you done this exercise? You know? People like to

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Speaker 1: imagine who's going to be at their funeral or service

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Speaker 1: or what have you. Um, sometimes I've thought about what

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Speaker 1: music I want to play at my funeral. I haven't

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Speaker 1: put together an actual set list, contemplated some songs that

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Speaker 1: I want, um a set list, and there's some by

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Speaker 1: Peter gay Real, but I cannot think of the song

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Speaker 1: by Peter Gabriel. The one that definitely comes to mind

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Speaker 1: is digging in the Dirt. But oh that's a good one. Um,

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Speaker 1: oh wait, I know a lot of Gabriel tints. Or

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Speaker 1: maybe you're thinking of Mercy Street. I love Mercy Street. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Peter Gabriel, fine, fine man. Especially perhaps do you have

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Speaker 1: on Era your final album? Yeah? I would probably just

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Speaker 1: my my funeral. So I think that's all we have

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Speaker 1: for death in Cemeteries. I'm sure we've cheered you up

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Speaker 1: immensely today, but you know, we gotta get you guys

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Speaker 1: in the mood for Halloween. What do you what are

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Speaker 1: you hearing out there? Robert, You've got some We got

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Speaker 1: some really cool listener mail from Jeremy and uh. And

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Speaker 1: he sent us a lot of stuff and I don't

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Speaker 1: have time to go over a lot of it um here,

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Speaker 1: but he sent us like a really cool how dangerous

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Speaker 1: a Zombie um poster to kind of inform you. He

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Speaker 1: was responding to our Science Versus Monsters podcast, which was

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Speaker 1: the the other Halloween when we did well it have

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Speaker 1: been too back from from now along with the mad scientists,

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Speaker 1: right and uh and so he shared some thoughts on

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Speaker 1: monsters and all that tells. Here'll share something he said

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Speaker 1: about vampires, m vampires and the quote where the mathematician

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Speaker 1: talked about turning the population into vampires and dying out

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Speaker 1: in three years. Well, I'm a vampire buff love movies

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Speaker 1: and Laura, I watch about every movie that comes out

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Speaker 1: just to see the director, writer's take on vampires. I

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Speaker 1: even watched the horrible Twilight movies because of this and

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Speaker 1: everything that I've reached. And that's why you watched him.

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Speaker 1: It was that dude's hair. That's why I watched it. Um,

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Speaker 1: that's amazing anyway, that that was me, he says, Um,

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Speaker 1: vampires do not change someone just by biting them. There's

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Speaker 1: always more work involved. The reason being is that vampiresm

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Speaker 1: is not a disease, unlike lecanthropy, where wolves shape shifters.

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Speaker 1: I can see the point that the mathematician is trying

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Speaker 1: a very limited scope if any of the vampire legends.

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Speaker 1: I know you guys mentioned this after the fact, but

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Speaker 1: I wanted to reiterate this. Um. So that's cool. He's

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Speaker 1: you know, he's standing up for the vampire myths and

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Speaker 1: you know, pointing out that that study indeed, Um sort

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Speaker 1: of sort of tongue in cheek, but yeah, but they

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Speaker 1: still picked and shows exactly what version of the mythos

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Speaker 1: they were going to go with for that study, which

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Speaker 1: isn't very scientific very scientific. So if you guys want

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