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Speaker 3: Way Wait a minute, I goes mondays, Hey boo, it's

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Speaker 3: me Roz. Oh wow, Okay, this is a big deal

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Speaker 3: for me. I got to talk to the man who

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Speaker 3: is responsible for giving us celebrity ghost stories. Now, I

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Speaker 3: So yeah to get to get reached out to by

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Speaker 3: It is so inspiring to hear somebody that is just

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Speaker 3: And I made a new friend. Guys, I'm excited about that.

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Speaker 3: So this is going to be a two parter. We

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Speaker 3: cover a lot of different stuff. So let's just get

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Speaker 3: part one of me with Seth Jarrett, the creator of

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Speaker 3: Celebrity ghost Stories, on with the show Oh My God,

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Speaker 3: you guys. Let me tell you a little story real quick.

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Speaker 3: I was having a Christmas. It wasn't the best Christmas

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Speaker 3: my email ghosted by rosatgmail dot com. Maybe I don't know,

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Speaker 3: And I've gotten that kind of email many times. It's

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Speaker 3: man who created, an executive produced my favorite TV show

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Speaker 2: Hello Seth, Jared.

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Speaker 1: Hello Roz. And if I ever needed an ego boost.

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Speaker 4: That was it. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I have talked so many times. Every time people interview

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of different reasons why, but

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Speaker 1: That is so amazing to hear, and I really I

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Speaker 3: And the cheesiest thing that I frequently say, but I

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Speaker 1: Bubba Gump. Okay, okay, Forrest Gump. If if you haven't

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Speaker 1: his storytelling, and I truly believe his story, I mean

443
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: I really really do. You could just see it on

444
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 1: his face. But he also tells the story in this

445
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: now like in this magical way it pulls you in.

446
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: Anyone who has seen that remembers it. It's also one

447
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 1: of those stories where you know, we should make a

448
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: movie about that story someday, which I do feel about

449
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: a lot of these. One of my life's dreams is

450
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: to make at least one, like full length feature.

451
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 4: Celebrity ghost stories.

452
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, I just don't know.

453
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 1: I just don't know which story to pick because there's

454
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 1: so many.

455
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 3: Well, okay, I'll tell you some of my favorite ones.

456
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 3: I do love. I love Lisa Rena's lesbian ghost story.

457
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 3: I love well my Idole Cascent Peterson, who I got

458
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 3: to have on the show to go more in depth

459
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 3: about her story because she had an incredible one because

460
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 3: she just lived in this house that just had the

461
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 3: most insane history.

462
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 2: And I actually think that my.

463
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 3: My favorite one that keeps me up at night and

464
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 3: I think about all the time. Well, there's there's two

465
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 3: that I think we're really good. Laura Prepon, Yeah, however

466
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 3: you did that, Oh my god, who people would know

467
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 3: from that seventy show.

468
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 2: And Orange is a New Black.

469
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 3: She has like a crazy story about a phone call

470
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 3: or a ghost thing with a phone, but there's the

471
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 3: other one. Maybe you can help me with his name

472
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 3: because I can't remember, but I've watched it a few times.

473
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 3: This he's like a sports guy, which is why I

474
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 3: don't know who he is, but I want to say

475
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 3: he's like a sports announcer kind of person. Oh my god,

476
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 3: they go on this tour of this college, They're seeing

477
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,479
Speaker 3: all this crazy shit. They're saying ghost left and right, whatever,

478
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 3: and then I don't want to ruin it.

479
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 2: People should watch that one. I love it.

480
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 3: But so let me ask you about when you were

481
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 3: talking about Bubba Gump's story and you were saying you

482
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 3: really believed him, how did you vet these celebrities. I mean,

483
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 3: I'm sure there were celebrities that just wanted to be

484
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 3: on TV. They maybe wanted to make something up. Like

485
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 3: did you talk to them and be like, what is

486
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 3: your story here?

487
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 4: Yeah?

488
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 1: We we had we had a couple of people on

489
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: our team, and it was very small team, very small

490
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 1: until we got to some of the later seasons when

491
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: A and E Networks was like, you know, do forty

492
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: in the next form. You know, in the beginning was

493
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: very like it was like a five or six person

494
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: team doing the show, which you know, in TV terms,

495
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: is pretty small. But we had a couple of people,

496
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: I mean we called them casting people, but they were

497
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: in charge of of going out there, researching the stories,

498
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: figuring out who was going to be on the show.

499
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: But no one could come on the show until they

500
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: did a pre interview with someone from our team. And

501
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's a tricky balance because you want to

502
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: be respectful and you don't ever want to tell a

503
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: celebrity or their rep.

504
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 4: Hey, we don't we don't believe you, you.

505
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: Know, you know, I mean we you know, we wouldn't

506
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: be able to book a lot of people if word

507
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: got out that we were being rude. But I would

508
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: say there were some times, I mean, we took it

509
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: very seriously because what's the one criticism of that could

510
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: possibly come from the shows? You know, except for a

511
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: couple we had a few bad wig experiences and the

512
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: recreations that's something my favorite.

513
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, But but besides wigs, the only.

514
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: Thing that someone could really say is, well, they're making

515
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: up this story, right, I mean, and we know, look

516
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: that's going to naturally happen, but we didn't want that

517
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: to become you know, like the overall sort of you know,

518
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: theme of the show. So we took it very seriously.

519
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: And I would say there were prob I couldn't tell

520
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: you who it was, but there were probably a few

521
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: celebrities where the team would come back to me and

522
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: we would talk and they would say kind of feels

523
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: like they're you know, they're they're making up some of

524
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: the details, and and we would you know, and we

525
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: would get out of the interview by you know, just

526
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: by saying, oh, we're not come in LA that week,

527
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: or we have enough for the season.

528
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 4: Or whatever it is.

529
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: Because again, we took it seriously, and but you could

530
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: also you know, when you do so many when you

531
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: do like I said, I mean we did close to

532
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: four hundred. I did probably close to one hundred and fifty.

533
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: You know, I could say, you know, you know, thirty

534
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: seconds in like why they're there. And I have to

535
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: say that ninety five percent of the time the people

536
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: who sat down with us, who took especially in the beginning,

537
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: it still felt like a risk to sit down and

538
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: tell your ghost story on TV. You know, it may

539
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: be a little different now. The world is more accepting.

540
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,719
Speaker 1: People you know, just are taking roles for you know,

541
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: for money and jobs and reality shows and all that stuff.

542
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: But in two thousand and nine, twenty ten, it was

543
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: still early in the genre that if people were sitting

544
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: down and they knew that a lot of people were

545
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: going to see the show, they took it pretty seriously.

546
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I imagine that because of the show. That's

547
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 3: probably why so many celebrities every once in a while

548
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 3: you'll hear will tell a story in an interview or whatever.

549
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 3: They you made them feel more comfortable, because I know

550
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 3: that even to this day, and I think celebrities they're

551
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 3: just you know, they're people like everyone else, and and

552
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 3: people have all different kinds of stigmas or fears or

553
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 3: whatever for what whatever reason. But I know a few

554
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 3: very very famous people that I am friends with personally

555
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 3: that won't come on because they're afraid of what people

556
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 3: will say, they'll get judged.

557
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: It's it's a vulnerable thing.

558
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 3: And I've encountered that as well with people that haven't

559
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 3: told their stories before that are just like, I don't

560
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 3: know if I should say this, Are people gonna like

561
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 3: call me crazy or they gonna say I'm lying all

562
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 3: of that.

563
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 4: So I get it.

564
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 3: When you have a public image and you know they're

565
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 3: used to thinking about that.

566
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, and and you know, and we we always

567
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: wanted the show to be, you know, a safe place

568
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: for you know, for people who wanted to tell their

569
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: goal because we realized early on obviously, if we can't

570
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: book celebrities for the show, the show's going away, right,

571
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: We're just not going to be able to do it,

572
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:52,959
Speaker 1: And so we want it.

573
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 3: You know.

574
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: It's that fine line between that balance between getting getting

575
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: great stories making sure that they get really intimate and

576
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: open and get vulnerable. You know. It's a lot of

577
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: people cried on the show. A lot of people just

578
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: like let it all out. So we wanted to make

579
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: it a place where people could get that vulnerable, but

580
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: also that people walked away from the show and had

581
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: a good experience so that you know, they would recommend

582
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: it to their friends. And it's funny I think about

583
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: there were a few celebrities who were on the show

584
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: that had such great experiences that they literally called all

585
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: their celebrity friends.

586
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: What a dream?

587
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you, I know, right, you know, for

588
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: the show you do, right, I mean, that's like that

589
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,959
Speaker 1: is the dream. And I can tell you just off

590
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: the top of my head, the two celebrities that probably

591
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: booked the most. Other celebrities was Ileana Douglas, Yeah, it's

592
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: love her and Rebecca de Mornay.

593
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

594
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 3: So they would just they would call, they would have

595
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 3: your their friends reach out to you guys.

596
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: No, it was literally like because they would they were

597
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: in touch with our casting person, right, so they had

598
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 1: a phone number and then my casting person would call

599
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: me the next day or a week later and say,

600
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: this celeb, this celeb, this celeb just called said they

601
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: want to do the show because Rebecca de Morny told

602
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: them it's really fun to do the show. Wow, And

603
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: it was that's when we knew that some you know

604
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: that it was working right. And the first season you

605
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: have no idea, right because you're making all these and

606
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: you're doing it and you're hoping it's good. You have

607
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: no idea. But by the end of the second season

608
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: and then the third season, when celebrities were asking to

609
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: be on the show, well dream was that was incredible.

610
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 4: It really really was.

611
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like when the guy that created celebrity ghost

612
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 3: stories reaches out to you, that's when you're like, Okay,

613
00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 3: I'm doing something right here exactly. You get it so

614
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 3: you do this pilot, you got Gina Gershan.

615
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 2: Who else did you get?

616
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 4: Okay, so we had four guests. It was Gina, Belinda.

617
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: Carlisle obsessed, ye go gos.

618
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 4: Yeah.

619
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: I mean, I you know, I was a teenager in

620
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: the eighties, so of course, you know that was huge

621
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: for me actually the whole pie, you know it. I mean,

622
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: Gina was great because I had worked with Gina and

623
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: so we trusted her and she's a great storyteller. But

624
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: what was great for me personally is that the three

625
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: other guests were all people that I grew up with.

626
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: So it was Belinda Carlisle, it was Ernie Hudson, one

627
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: of the original Ghostbusters, and Sammy Hagar from Vollen And

628
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: I mean like it was like my childhood sort of

629
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: coming to life in the in this pilot. And you know,

630
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: they were all they were all great, and they all

631
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: just told very different stories. So it was just one

632
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: of those things like and you know it happens sometimes

633
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: like it all just falls into place right, and it

634
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: just it was all magical. They were all great, the

635
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: stories were great. The recreations were really hard to do

636
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: because we were just like, what do we like, what

637
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: are we doing, and like I said, we sort of

638
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: made the decision and we were going to treat them

639
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: like these little short horror films, but of course we

640
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: didn't have the budget to do that. So we're you know,

641
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: it's like thirty eight hour days and just everybody's pouring

642
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: their soul into it because you just feel like it's

643
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: going to be special. And then it aired and it

644
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: did really really well, and they greenlit. I think our

645
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: first season was nine or ten episodes.

646
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 4: Wow. Well.

647
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 3: And you know another thing with booking too, when when

648
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 3: I have phoned once you have like some celebrities on

649
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 3: that have done it, then you can then you can

650
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 3: also tell other people like because what you know, you

651
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 3: they they've never heard of your show, and they're like,

652
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 3: what is this? And then you can be like like, well,

653
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 3: Belinda Carlisle did it and Gina Gershan did it, and

654
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, okay, then it must be pretty good.

655
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 4: No, no, absolutely.

656
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: And what was great is that fairly early on in

657
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: the first season we were able to get a lot

658
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 1: of different types of celebrities right like we'd we'd have

659
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: Joan Rivers and Carnie Wilson like all, you know, we

660
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: just it was such a g and Lisa Reno was

661
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: one of the first people that we interviewed, and so

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Speaker 1: it was a nice variety.

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Speaker 4: And then things started to get really.

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Speaker 1: Exciting in the like season two when when people like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, what's his name? What's oh Michael Michael Imperioli,

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Speaker 1: who was on Sopranos, who was just on White Lotus.

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Speaker 2: His Chelsea Hotel story, Right, so I've seen.

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Speaker 1: It's like the greatest day of my life. But you know,

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Speaker 1: when we started to book people like like these legit actors,

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Speaker 1: like now it wasn't just and no offense to anyone

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Speaker 1: who was on the show, because I just I love

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Speaker 1: them and you know, but like but now all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, like you know, like actual like you know,

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Speaker 1: actors in these huge shows and Sopranos and all these

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Speaker 1: now they're coming on the show.

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Speaker 4: It just it really felt like.

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Speaker 1: We had hit just a cool, you know, sort of

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Speaker 1: credible moment, and that was exciting.

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Speaker 4: And then eventually having people.

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Speaker 1: Like Kesha and like like you know, just real stars

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Speaker 1: from all these different genres.

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Speaker 4: It was it was so fulfilling, It really was.

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Speaker 3: I remember see I thought that the pilot was Joan Rivers.

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Speaker 2: I thought she was.

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Speaker 1: She was celebrity one of episode one of season one,

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Speaker 1: but not the pilot. The pilot, the pilot air. It

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Speaker 1: was like a one off special because they because you know,

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Speaker 1: the network doesn't I don't know if it's going to

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Speaker 1: be a success, They don't know if they want to

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Speaker 1: pour their money into you know, ten episodes, so that

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Speaker 1: we did it as this one time special which aired

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Speaker 1: right around Halloween two thousand and eight, and then it

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Speaker 1: did well and then they.

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Speaker 4: Green let the ten episode.

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Speaker 1: So Joan was I don't know if she was the

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Speaker 1: first interview that we did, but she was. She was

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Speaker 1: like the biggest star of you know, to lead off

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Speaker 1: season one. So she was number one on episode one.

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Speaker 1: I think that first episode, Oh.

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Speaker 4: My god, who I can't remember.

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Speaker 3: And she was so serious, very like she was not

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Speaker 3: joking about the Missus Spencer apartment.

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Speaker 1: Missus Spence Spencer, Yeah, in her twenty five million dollar apartment.

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Speaker 1: It was like a like a four floor apartment on

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Speaker 1: Fifth Avenue in Manhattan. And and no, and that was

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Speaker 1: the thing again, another very fulfilling thing for me. And

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Speaker 1: people would never think this, but some of most of

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Speaker 1: my favorite interviewees on the show were actually comedians, because

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Speaker 1: if you could get a comedian to open up and

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Speaker 1: get intimate and get emotional, you know, it's real, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I think about Joan I mean

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Speaker 1: she cried. I think about you know, Jeffrey Ross, who

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Speaker 1: is the big roast master now like you know, just

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Speaker 1: the you know, like his whole you know, it's just

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Speaker 1: all it's it's insults in comedy, like that's his thing,

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Speaker 1: and he's super popular and and but he was he

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Speaker 1: was dead serious when he when he came on. And

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Speaker 1: so those were Tom Arnold. I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: remember his story about the pipe organ in his house.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I remember growing up.

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Speaker 4: And he got super emotional and his story was you know,

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Speaker 4: that's one of those stories that was half ghost but

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Speaker 4: also half about childhood trauma.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 3: Louie Anderson rest in peace. I remember him having a

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Speaker 3: touching one. Yeah, because because there's a lot of people

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Speaker 3: that so I've reached out to so many people that

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Speaker 3: I have seen on celebrity ghost stories, and I've probably

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Speaker 3: over the years, I've probably had like maybe twenty or so,

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure, but there's well, yeah, I mean, considering

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Speaker 3: how many are still alive.

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Speaker 4: Kind of havell Off.

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Speaker 2: So I am, uh, what was I gonna say about that?

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm I want to be your booker. Can my god,

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Speaker 1: what a dream? Oh.

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Speaker 3: What I was going to say was watching Sometimes I

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Speaker 3: would watch someone and I'm like, I love that person,

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Speaker 3: but that story. I don't want to put them through

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Speaker 3: that again. On my silly podcast where I'm laughing and

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Speaker 3: having like some like Jack, Hey, Harry, I love so much,

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Speaker 3: hers was like really like traumatic, and I was just like,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to ask her.

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Speaker 1: You know, no, I understand, but you know, at the

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Speaker 1: same time, I think some of these people find telling

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Speaker 1: the story therapeutic. Now, maybe they don't want to keep

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Speaker 1: telling it over and over and they I've.

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Speaker 3: Had people say that I want to say to me,

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Speaker 3: I told it on Celebrity Ghost Stories, like I'm good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what?

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Speaker 1: And again, kind of going back to something I was

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Speaker 1: saying before, I think some of the celebrities came to

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Speaker 1: the show in their head it's kind of a reality show,

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Speaker 1: and they just They're going to tell the story and

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Speaker 1: move on, and we're going to do a cute little

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Speaker 1: recree and then we sit down and we dig in

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Speaker 1: for like two and a half three hours sometimes, because

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Speaker 1: that's sometimes sometimes it takes an hour before someone really

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Speaker 1: is ready to open up, you know. And and so

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Speaker 1: it gets much much deeper than some people think. And

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Speaker 1: some people know what they're doing and they're fine with it,

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Speaker 1: and other people are afterwards so surprised, even someone like

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Speaker 1: Carrie Fisher.

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Speaker 4: I don't do you remember.

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Speaker 1: Her her story? I mean, she she had someone, her

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Speaker 1: best friend died in her bed.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, and she tried to revive him, and

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Speaker 4: then he came back.

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Speaker 1: And she she bowled her eyes out for forty five

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Speaker 1: minutes straight. I mean, I never imagined it was going

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Speaker 1: to go there. And and at the end she said,

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Speaker 1: I never imagined that that is where it was going.

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Speaker 1: But I'm just I'm so happy that I got it out.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's far from the end of that conversation. Don't

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Speaker 3: you worry, baby. We'll be back next week with more

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Speaker 3: Seth talking to him all about Celebrity ghost Stories and

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Speaker 3: the future of celebrity ghost stories and oh, I don't

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Speaker 3: want to ruin it. Just just you know, make sure

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00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 3: you're subscribed to the show, tell your friends about it.

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Speaker 3: Watch Celebrity ghost Stories. It's streaming so many places you

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Speaker 3: have no reason not to watch it. I mean there's

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Speaker 3: so many different episodes as they just start from the beginning,

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Speaker 3: not that you have to watch them in order, but

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Speaker 3: that Joan Rivers one Chef's Kiss. Yeah, you know, rate

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Speaker 3: the show five stars. This show Ghosted Yeah, and Celebrity

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Speaker 3: ghost Stories of course, but Ghosted by ros Hernandez.

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Speaker 2: Rate it five stars.

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Speaker 3: Wherever you can Spotify Apple podcasts, leave a nice review,

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Speaker 3: leave a ghost story and a five star review for

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Speaker 3: me to read on the show.

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Speaker 2: I'd love to have you on.

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Speaker 3: A I almost called it a celebt ghost story on

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Speaker 3: a listener episode, which is basically my version of Celebrity

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Speaker 3: ghost Stories here on the show.

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Speaker 2: It kind of oh my god.

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Speaker 3: It kind of is because usually on Celebrity Ghostories they

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Speaker 3: would have like four people telling ghost stories every episode. Okay,

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Speaker 3: come on a listener episode, just you know. Send me

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Speaker 3: an email at Ghosted by ros at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 3: Subject line listener episode, give me some bullet points a

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Speaker 3: sentence or two of all your different ghost stories and

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Speaker 3: I'm oh my Patreon. The link is in the description

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00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 3: of the show. I'm not posting currently on there, but

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Speaker 3: there's a ton of stuff for you to enjoy. And

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Speaker 3: I'm on Instagram at roz Hernandez TikTok and Twitter at

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Speaker 3: It's roz Hernandez. Okay, that's enough. I'll talk to you

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Speaker 3: next week more with Seth. I love you all, both

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Speaker 3: living and dead. But if I didn't ask you to

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Speaker 3: haunt me, don't haunt me.

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