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Speaker 1: Should Know, a production of My Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Y, Hey,
Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark and there's
Speaker 1: Charles W. Chuck Bryant speaking to me today through clenched teeth.
Speaker 1: Jerry is off um doing who knows what, but she's here,
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Speaker 1: She's ministering to the um those in need. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: might as well call this episode, uh, the peek into
Speaker 1: Chuck's private life. You're gonna have a lot of personal
Speaker 1: stories about this. Yeah, okay, Okay, well, good while I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to that. Yes cha, I was just about
Speaker 1: to say, Chuck your Brooks or b r u x
Speaker 1: e er, which is a great word, um imprint at
Speaker 1: least and Brooks are it's all right out loud too,
Speaker 1: I guess. But um, I really don't think we can
Speaker 1: start this episode any other way aside from how this
Speaker 1: how stuff works article kicked it off. Okay, okay, go ahead,
Speaker 1: So Chuck, when we're trying to figure out what bruck
Speaker 1: is um is. No, it's not a strange new religion
Speaker 1: or the latest exercise crazy to come out of l A.
Speaker 1: It's the complicated medical term for the simple act of
Speaker 1: grinding your teeth in l All those wacky exercise trends,
Speaker 1: I know, strange new religions with X is in the
Speaker 1: middle of them that make you give them all your money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: bruck is um uh, teeth grinding. I'm a tooth grinder,
Speaker 1: so you've had like serious dental work from that, right?
Speaker 1: And uh, did you grind? Because we should probably tell
Speaker 1: everybody there's really two big categories of grinding teeth. One
Speaker 1: is daytime grinding and the other is nighttime grinding. And
Speaker 1: nighttime grinding is way more intense. So were you a
Speaker 1: nighttime grinder and currently both? Oh you still are? Oh yeah, okay?
Speaker 1: And then, um, do you when you're a nighttime grinder
Speaker 1: doing your grinding thing? Do you wake Emily up? Uh? No,
Speaker 1: she sleeps pretty soundly, okay, because from what I understand,
Speaker 1: it's it's not hard to actually wake the person sleeping
Speaker 1: in bed with you up from grinding your teeth that loudly,
Speaker 1: Like that's how that's how loud it gets from how
Speaker 1: much pressure you're exerting on your poor teeth, That's what
Speaker 1: I've heard. I've never recorded myself. I've thought about doing that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know they have those apps I think that are
Speaker 1: will trigger by sound or whatever to record. Sure, busy,
Speaker 1: I've got I need to get brouxy going, right. But
Speaker 1: I am one of possibly of Americans that are bruxers,
Speaker 1: they say, there's a lot of people. It was a
Speaker 1: surprising amount to me. I did not think it was
Speaker 1: going to be that high. Yeah, and I don't really
Speaker 1: know if it's I only know my experience. And you know,
Speaker 1: when I was reading through this, it was just triggering
Speaker 1: me all over the place because from grinding to nashing
Speaker 1: to clinching to t m J and TMP like I've
Speaker 1: got it all. Do you really have TMD? Because that
Speaker 1: sounds really bad. Yeah, it's just I'm a mess. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of getting botox for TMD? Now,
Speaker 1: it's so, you know botox. It's from batulin and it
Speaker 1: it um paralyzes the nerves temporarily, but for a really
Speaker 1: long time, like months. Um. You get it in your jaw,
Speaker 1: uh and it relaxes the jaw muscles. Actually interesting. I
Speaker 1: wonder while they're in there, I can get this cocoon
Speaker 1: under my eyeball taken away. You you have a cocoon
Speaker 1: under there? Yeah, it looks like a butterfly is about
Speaker 1: to sprout from this sleeping badge under my eye. I
Speaker 1: think it's as a lot of character. I don't think
Speaker 1: you should change do anything like that. No, No, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about any cosmetic things. Good good, you're
Speaker 1: looking good man, Thank you. I can't even see you,
Speaker 1: and I know you're looking good. Yeah, and well, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll I'll chat about my experience throughout this. But I
Speaker 1: do have I had been fitted for a a mouth guard,
Speaker 1: which I do not wear and I should. Yeah. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I mean that's there's a it's supposed to be kind
Speaker 1: of helpful, but I also saw that it can actually
Speaker 1: make you brocks. I guess that'd be the verb, right,
Speaker 1: it makes you brucks more sometimes. Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think the deal with the mouth guard is is it
Speaker 1: just provides a barrier between your teeth, so it doesn't
Speaker 1: stop you from grinding um or clinching or anything like that.
Speaker 1: But it's no there's no tooth on tooth the sexiest contact, right.
Speaker 1: It's almost like um giving condoms to teenagers. It's been demonstrably,
Speaker 1: irrefutably proven that it makes them have sex when they
Speaker 1: otherwise wouldn't the same thing with a mouth guard. You
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't even grind your teeth, but you put a
Speaker 1: mouth guard on and you're gonna grind, you know. We
Speaker 1: get an alarming amount of emails from people who don't
Speaker 1: understand your I don't even know what you call it.
Speaker 1: It's not sarcasm humor. Sure, we can just throw it
Speaker 1: under the well. No, I mean when you say something
Speaker 1: and you're totally kidding, but you're just being deadpanned about it.
Speaker 1: People by by that, Yeah, they catch on eventually, I think,
Speaker 1: or they don't and they think you're a monster. So
Speaker 1: let's let's get into this, okay. Because I didn't know
Speaker 1: much about teeth grinding. I do grind teeth, but not
Speaker 1: to a clinical degree. UM, So I didn't know quite
Speaker 1: a lot of this. But I I came across this
Speaker 1: article that was written by an n y U dental
Speaker 1: student named Jordan's Mashkevich. No, yeah, Mashkevich, I think I
Speaker 1: nailed it out of the park. Sounds like a dental
Speaker 1: student from n y U if I've ever done. I
Speaker 1: just came across this paper. I don't, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't remember what how I searched it, but um, anyway,
Speaker 1: it had some really interesting stuff in there. And the
Speaker 1: way that um possibly by now Dr Mashkevich put it
Speaker 1: um that as we understand brucks is um it occurs.
Speaker 1: It's cyclical, so it starts out and it follows a
Speaker 1: distinct pattern, and then it kind of crests intensifies, and
Speaker 1: then it wanes, it goes away, and then the cycle
Speaker 1: eventually starts up again. And so that these these cycles
Speaker 1: can happen in clusters. So your actual like attack of
Speaker 1: brucks is um might only last somewhere in the neighborhood
Speaker 1: of like four to fifteen seconds. I think that's on
Speaker 1: the low end. But when you have a bunch of them,
Speaker 1: these different attacks, these cyclical attacks, and a cluster, it
Speaker 1: can add up to quite a bit over the course
Speaker 1: of your your sleepy time. Yeah. I mean, if you're
Speaker 1: grinding for fifteen seconds and then taking off six or
Speaker 1: eight seconds and then grinding again, I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know what the distinction is. You just take a little
Speaker 1: little break, a little break. Yeah, your brain is like
Speaker 1: this is too much even for me, because to me,
Speaker 1: that's constantly grinding, right, So no, apparently that it doesn't.
Speaker 1: It's like there's an increase in it and then it's
Speaker 1: like gets really really bad and then it stops and
Speaker 1: then it starts to slowly to to build again. I
Speaker 1: think what makes it cyclical and building is that it's
Speaker 1: also associated with an increase in heart rate and brain waves. Um,
Speaker 1: and you're so you're grinding your teeth, your heart is
Speaker 1: going faster, and your your brain is working over time,
Speaker 1: and then I guess it all just kind of crests
Speaker 1: and goes away for a little while. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: don't think we said the I mean, we'll talk about
Speaker 1: all the reasons this can be pretty bad. But you're
Speaker 1: exerting a lot of force, up to two d pounds
Speaker 1: of pressure per square inch, and that is not like
Speaker 1: even when you're chewing something super tough, for like saltwater
Speaker 1: taffy or something, it's like ten times the force that
Speaker 1: you use to chew food. Dude, saltwater taffy is so great.
Speaker 1: You're a big fan. I really am a big fan.
Speaker 1: And it's one of those things where as I've gotten older,
Speaker 1: I've realized that some of this, like old time candy,
Speaker 1: like Nugat just plain old Nugat great, like it was perfected,
Speaker 1: Like we've perfected candy in a lot of ways a
Speaker 1: long time ago, and you overlook it now just because
Speaker 1: it's been around for so long in favor of like
Speaker 1: you know, a watching McCall it or some kind of
Speaker 1: go go candy bar today. But there and there's nothing
Speaker 1: wrong with watching McCall it's probably my favorite modern candy bar.
Speaker 1: But saltwater, taffy, nugat, stuff like that. It's it's it really.
Speaker 1: It's been around for this long for a reason, I guess. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you love the candies that you can get for a
Speaker 1: nickel by reaching your hand into it. Well you can't
Speaker 1: do that kind of thing anymore, but by reaching your
Speaker 1: hand into a big germ bucket right full of discarded
Speaker 1: candies from children. Sure, but but they're individually wrapped, so
Speaker 1: I'm safe. You know, when a Little Bit Sweets used
Speaker 1: to love us, They used to send us that Newgat.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, now that I think about it,
Speaker 1: they're the people who introduced me to Newgat. Straight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was one of those care packages of theirs. They
Speaker 1: they introduced us to Newgat and Honeycomb candy. Yeah, why
Speaker 1: don't they like us anymore? I don't know. I have
Speaker 1: to get in touch with the Liz and be like,
Speaker 1: what's up. Yeah, hint hint, Yeah, well we just did.
Speaker 1: So you were saying two hundred pounds of pressure. I saw,
Speaker 1: and that's per square inch. Um. I saw up to
Speaker 1: two fifty pounds of pressure per square inch. That's about
Speaker 1: ten to forty times what you would exert normally when
Speaker 1: you're chewing. And as you can imagine, like your poor
Speaker 1: teeth can only take so much. And it's not just
Speaker 1: the pressure, it's the pressure combined with the grinding motion,
Speaker 1: right that can really wear down the old enamel. I
Speaker 1: saw something like ten times faster than somebody who doesn't
Speaker 1: grind their teeth while they sleep. Yeah, So I mean
Speaker 1: that introduces yet another problem. So not only will it
Speaker 1: make your teeth, you know, wigglier and uh and just
Speaker 1: they can crack, they can fracture, you can wear them
Speaker 1: down to stumps. You get rid of that enamel, like
Speaker 1: you said, and then you're you know, just ready to
Speaker 1: get a cavity. Plus your nerves can be exposed. Oh god,
Speaker 1: have you ever got a root canal? Uh? Shockingly no,
Speaker 1: I have three fake teeth, but I've never had a
Speaker 1: root canal. They are not fun. Yeah, and I still
Speaker 1: don't even quite know what it is, to be honest,
Speaker 1: I got So they go in and they actually remove
Speaker 1: the nerve at the at the base of the tooth like.
Speaker 1: It's just they can take the nerve out so you
Speaker 1: don't have any sensation right there anymore, which is good
Speaker 1: because by the time you need a root canal, you
Speaker 1: don't want to ever feel anything ever of any kind.
Speaker 1: And I got one once by this guy over in Brookhaven,
Speaker 1: and he apparently is a master at root canals, because
Speaker 1: every den I've been to since then, this is years ago,
Speaker 1: has commented on like, what an amazing canal that guy did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can tell years later, I guess so, yeah, because
Speaker 1: I still get comments on it. Whenever I go to
Speaker 1: a new dentist and they take X rays, they're like, Wow,
Speaker 1: that's a really great root canal. It's not like the
Speaker 1: guy in the grocery store parking lot that fixes your
Speaker 1: dent when you shop. Not really, he doesn't do that
Speaker 1: good of a job. I think the words root canal,
Speaker 1: just the combination of those two words is probably a
Speaker 1: top tenor for just most loathed combinations of words. That moist,
Speaker 1: well that's just one word. Oh combination of words um,
Speaker 1: moist anything, yeah, moist, underline, moist size, how about that?
Speaker 1: That's pretty bag Uh. They did a little survey with
Speaker 1: the Chicago Dental Society, which is a real swinging club,
Speaker 1: and they found six of those dentists said that they
Speaker 1: are hearing about all clenching being sort of an increasing thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know when this was written, but um, apparently
Speaker 1: it's bruxism is on the rise, as is stress. Right,
Speaker 1: that's what they're saying. That they correlate it to stress
Speaker 1: and adults, and they think that it's basically as simple
Speaker 1: as that. There's a lot of other things that can
Speaker 1: cause bruxism, as we'll see, but stress seems to be
Speaker 1: the number one driver of teeth grinding in grown ups.
Speaker 1: And as stress increases in our modern watchuma call it
Speaker 1: type world. Um, bruxism is increasing as well, which is sad.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's also like, okay, well
Speaker 1: then there's real hope for this. It's not like you
Speaker 1: have some biological short circuit in your brain that you'd
Speaker 1: have to go get like mot of surgery to cure,
Speaker 1: to correct or cure. You're just riddled with anxiety, right exactly. Uh,
Speaker 1: And I don't think we've officially pointed out or maybe
Speaker 1: you did, that grinding is that back and forth motion
Speaker 1: and clinching is just sort of just locking your teeth
Speaker 1: together and you know, as if you're biting on ah
Speaker 1: irresistible saltwater taffy, so with clinching too. That seems to
Speaker 1: be more associated with daytime bruxism than nighttime bruxism. And
Speaker 1: the other thing about daytime bruxism, so bruxism is considered
Speaker 1: a para functional habit is what it's called, like um,
Speaker 1: chewing on pen caps or biting your fingernails or something
Speaker 1: like that. It's like it doesn't serve a good purpose
Speaker 1: for like you're you're not breathing or eating or drinking,
Speaker 1: so you're doing other stuff with your mouth. That makes
Speaker 1: it a para functional habit. But the thing about it
Speaker 1: is during the daytime, it's unconscious whether you're you're doing
Speaker 1: nighttime bruxism or daytime bruxism. But in the day you
Speaker 1: can stop and be like, oh, I'm clenching my teeth
Speaker 1: and stop yourself from doing it, so it's involuntary, but
Speaker 1: it's also unconscious. When you're asleep, you're probably not going
Speaker 1: to wake yourself up, so you're going full bore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you know, I try and catch myself during the
Speaker 1: day when I clinch, and I find it happens a lot.
Speaker 1: What I've started doing. I don't know if it was
Speaker 1: a conscious effort or not, but I've started widening my
Speaker 1: tongue between my teeth. Kind of not at all times,
Speaker 1: but a lot of the time if my mouth is shut,
Speaker 1: I have my my tongue in between my teeth. I
Speaker 1: got to prevent that, like in the front or on
Speaker 1: the side, kind of all over. Man, So you're just
Speaker 1: kind of constantly moving it. No, I just you know,
Speaker 1: you fatten that tongue out and it are you doing it?
Speaker 1: That's quite a talent. No, I can't do it. I'm
Speaker 1: impressed really with your tongue. Look, oh yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: I can't. I can, And I should point out to that.
Speaker 1: You know, the history of my fake teeth are well
Speaker 1: chronicled on the show, and I've talked about why. But
Speaker 1: it's not just from grinding like I've always been in
Speaker 1: my fingernails and that pressure forward you know, on the
Speaker 1: front of your teeth is no good. And I've got
Speaker 1: shallow roots and sort of a host of things that
Speaker 1: kind of led to those those teeth not working out
Speaker 1: for me. Let me let me ask you this Um,
Speaker 1: where either of your parents bruxers? I don't know, and
Speaker 1: and I just I don't know. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: care to ask at this point. I couldn't want to
Speaker 1: bring it up. I mean, maybe I could, but it's
Speaker 1: not like that would satisfy me in any way. Well,
Speaker 1: the thing is they think that it's an inherited trait
Speaker 1: because apparently your chances of broux ing are way higher
Speaker 1: if your parents are bruxers. But like, do I need
Speaker 1: one more thing to blame on my parents? Right? Exactly? Old,
Speaker 1: that's right, So just just chalk it up to the
Speaker 1: fact that you're a young woman who smokes. That's where
Speaker 1: you got it from. Because women are three times more
Speaker 1: likely to Brooks, and smokers are five times more likely
Speaker 1: to Brooks. Right, Smokers people who drink heavily UM, and
Speaker 1: a lot of that they attribute to dehydration. And here's
Speaker 1: the thing. This one is what reveals the weirdness of
Speaker 1: all this to me. So your body becomes dehydrated um
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, and when you're dehydrated, a whole cascade
Speaker 1: of stressors just kind of take place in your body. Right. Um.
Speaker 1: It can trigger allergies and can trigger inflammation. It's just
Speaker 1: not a good jam for your body to be dehydrated.
Speaker 1: The thing is is what your body does in response
Speaker 1: is make you grind your teeth, like they've shown, like
Speaker 1: you grind your teeth more when you're dehydrated. But like
Speaker 1: I was saying, that raises the big basic question that
Speaker 1: I've never seen anybody answer. Um, like why why? Why
Speaker 1: would you grind your teeth? What kind of a weird
Speaker 1: physiological response is that two things like stress, whether emotional
Speaker 1: stress or physical stress. It's a very bizarre thing for
Speaker 1: your body to be like, oh, que the cue the
Speaker 1: teeth grinding, let's get rid of some of the stress. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I think you could file
Speaker 1: all of the things I'm about to say under that
Speaker 1: same weird category of why. But the same reason you
Speaker 1: might tap your foot when you're nervous, or the same
Speaker 1: reason you might clench your fist if you have anxiety. Um,
Speaker 1: I think they're just your body's responses to anxiety. They
Speaker 1: come out in these little weird physical ticks. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: and then that makes sense. But to me, they're still
Speaker 1: like you can still keep walking back to you know,
Speaker 1: why teeth grinding? Why why clenched fits? Like, what do
Speaker 1: we get from it? The closest I've seen to an
Speaker 1: explanation is it's a stress reliever. And I get that.
Speaker 1: But again, like, maybe my question is where along the
Speaker 1: way in our evolutionary history did teeth grinding become the
Speaker 1: response rather than like, you know, blinking um in an
Speaker 1: alternating sequence really fast? You know, like why teeth grinding?
Speaker 1: Because ultimately grinding your teeth produces more tension and more
Speaker 1: stress concentrated in your jaw. It doesn't get rid of it,
Speaker 1: It just basically concentrates it into one painful area. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, one might say that one reason is because
Speaker 1: it's a silent form of releasing that anxiety. It's something
Speaker 1: you can do in a business meeting, something you can
Speaker 1: do in church or wherever you might feel really stressed out.
Speaker 1: You can't do primal screen therapy in the middle of
Speaker 1: a tense meeting. Um. But I know what you mean.
Speaker 1: You're a man of science. You want to know the
Speaker 1: pathways of satisfaction that are that are happening there. I
Speaker 1: think yes, because that is the pathway to my satisfaction understanding.
Speaker 1: Should we take a break? Yes? All right? I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go grind for thirty seconds and we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: Oh how you feeling now? That was great? So it
Speaker 1: was a stress reliever for you. I'm not stressed right now.
Speaker 1: Well except for everything in my life that's super stressful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got a lot going on, lot going on. We
Speaker 1: have a book that we're working on. Yeah, that's has
Speaker 1: at times been stressful. It has, but it also has
Speaker 1: been fun. Like I'm really proud of how it's coming together. No,
Speaker 1: it's great, it's fun, but it's uh, it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: you're all working from home now with a five year old,
Speaker 1: so you have half as much time and twice as
Speaker 1: much work. Enjoy it. This will be a fun process.
Speaker 1: But no, we're coming up on the The finish line
Speaker 1: is in sight. Yeah, for sure. And it's been more
Speaker 1: fun lately for me, which is good. Good. I'm glad.
Speaker 1: And what's that book called? Oh oh are we plugging in? Um?
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Speaker 1: So we were talking about some of the things that
Speaker 1: cause bruck is um that they've definitely shown, and again,
Speaker 1: no one has ever explained why bruck is um, just
Speaker 1: how bruxism I guess, yeah, Like any kind of sleep
Speaker 1: disturbance can do it. I mean there's you know, we
Speaker 1: already talked about anxiety and stress, that's sort of that
Speaker 1: seems to be the go to for doctors. But any
Speaker 1: kind of sleep disturbance, if you are on some weird
Speaker 1: bed in a hotel that is uncomfortable to you, that
Speaker 1: might cause you to to clench up during your sleep.
Speaker 1: Weird things like that. Yeah, if your bite doesn't form
Speaker 1: um symmetrically, I guess is the word to you? You actually,
Speaker 1: So that's called malclusion. And there's all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 1: I didn't really as this, but there's all sorts of
Speaker 1: stuff to correct it, including shortening your jaw, which I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we don't have hover cars, but we have surgery that
Speaker 1: can shorten somebody's jaw. I'm impressed. Right, Um, did you
Speaker 1: get that done? No? I considered having surgery at one
Speaker 1: point where they break your jaw and realign it and
Speaker 1: then wire it shut. Um, but there was never a
Speaker 1: great time to do it because I have a job
Speaker 1: where I run my mouth for a living, right uh,
Speaker 1: And it just I don't know, it got to the
Speaker 1: point where I got to a certain age Ross like
Speaker 1: you know what, I just don't think I want that surgery.
Speaker 1: I'll live with my misaligned jaw and my t MJ
Speaker 1: and my TMD. Man. I hope you get the last
Speaker 1: part worked out. Thanks, so um, maybe it'll just magically
Speaker 1: clear up when we're not podcasting any longer. Well, you
Speaker 1: never know, so uh, I remember you talking about getting
Speaker 1: a surgery, and that kind of jogged my memory. I
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't know you ever got it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you probably couldn't wire your jaws shut, just fling just
Speaker 1: then you'd see you go. Should we talk work? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it would be kind of weird. Now people don't want
Speaker 1: to hear that for like sixty eight weeks or whatever
Speaker 1: it is, right, man, the soup though. Yeah, it probably
Speaker 1: dropped the good wait, drink it to a straw. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean there's there's some good soup out there.
Speaker 1: Grinded a cheeseburger, yeah, you could into soup. God. So
Speaker 1: I saw another thing, thanks to presumably doctor um Mashkevich's article,
Speaker 1: that they have connected teeth grinding to parasitic worm infections.
Speaker 1: Oh really yeah, And I was like that, I that
Speaker 1: doesn't sound right at all. I went and looked, and yeah,
Speaker 1: there's there's a definite like um, like a bunch of
Speaker 1: papers dating back to the seventies where they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it seems like if you have pin worms or hookworms,
Speaker 1: they directly cause teeth grinding. Weird. I know that certain
Speaker 1: psychiatric meta since can and antidepressants and stuff could cause it.
Speaker 1: This is one of the side effects sometimes could be
Speaker 1: co morbid with sleep apnea, which I've had people right
Speaker 1: in and say, hey, Chuck, check about sleep apnea because
Speaker 1: you have dreams about breathing water. That doesn't sound fun.
Speaker 1: Uh No, I don't think I have sleep apnea though, um,
Speaker 1: and maybe I'll get tested for that one day too. Yeah. Um.
Speaker 1: One other thing though about parasitic worms is actually correlates
Speaker 1: to something else that's mentioned in this article, which is
Speaker 1: allergies can kick it off. And remember they think that
Speaker 1: parasitic worms has to do with either an increase in
Speaker 1: allergies or decrease in allergies or something. But they think
Speaker 1: that it's tied with allergies, So that would explain why
Speaker 1: it kicks off. Teeth grinding. Yeah, and I don't think
Speaker 1: we said that. You may not even realize that you're
Speaker 1: a brucks are I do because of my my history,
Speaker 1: But um, I think a lot of people don't even
Speaker 1: lies they're gnashing their teeth in their night. You may
Speaker 1: wake up with a sword jaw and I wonder what
Speaker 1: was going on. Think you might have slept on your
Speaker 1: face funny or something. But a dentist can help diagnose
Speaker 1: that for sure, if you go in and say, hey, uh,
Speaker 1: something's going on here. Yeah, yeahs bitz. Yeah. If you
Speaker 1: live alone or you're not grinding your teeth enough to
Speaker 1: um wake up your partner, Yeah, there's there's gonna be
Speaker 1: like little signs or whatever. But if you don't start
Speaker 1: paying attention to it, you might not notice it unless
Speaker 1: it's a bad case. If it's a bad case. You're
Speaker 1: gonna notice because your teeth are starting to crack and
Speaker 1: chip and wear down. And even if you don't notice that,
Speaker 1: your dentist is gonna be like I think you grind
Speaker 1: your teeth, and that might be the first person to
Speaker 1: tip you off. Yeah, swollen gums. That could also be
Speaker 1: a little tip um. You know, mine sort of happened
Speaker 1: all at once with the job, like I've always had
Speaker 1: a bad bite, uh in. Two rounds of braces did
Speaker 1: not cure it. Oh man, So I've got sort of
Speaker 1: a it's not quite an underbite, but you know, my
Speaker 1: my top my bottom teeth of my top teeth are
Speaker 1: aligned instead of having an overbyte. Right. And I remember
Speaker 1: distinctly when I started having these problems, like ten or
Speaker 1: twelve years ago, and I would tell Emily and said,
Speaker 1: it feels like my lower jaw is from someone else's
Speaker 1: body all of a sudden, huh, Like it just doesn't
Speaker 1: fit anymore. And that's the easiest way I could describe it.
Speaker 1: And it just kind of happened like suddenly, or you
Speaker 1: noticed it like in a short time started noticing it
Speaker 1: over a shortish span ten or twelve years ago. I
Speaker 1: remember one time I was singing in the band for
Speaker 1: band night one time, and I had my mouth open,
Speaker 1: singing like, you know, if I might say so pretty powerfully,
Speaker 1: and something popped like I felt something almost like come unhinged.
Speaker 1: And it got worse after that. So I don't know
Speaker 1: what that was all about. Was that during your famous
Speaker 1: cover of Maria, Yes it was or oh Holy night?
Speaker 1: Uh we didn't change those for our closer so um.
Speaker 1: Another sign that you might have bruck is um is
Speaker 1: if you wake up and you like the inside of
Speaker 1: your cheeks hurt because there have been rubbed draw off
Speaker 1: from the getting caught up in the bruck s ng
Speaker 1: uh huh. Yeah, that's that's when it will be particularly bad.
Speaker 1: You might also wake up with um bite marks from it,
Speaker 1: you know, not like you can see it, but you
Speaker 1: can definitely feel those. I went through a little period
Speaker 1: where I was biting, like where my canines are? You know,
Speaker 1: I have like vampire canines, And I don't know. It
Speaker 1: was almost like what you were just describing, like all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, my my bite or my jaw or
Speaker 1: something just changed. And for like a month or two,
Speaker 1: I was biting this one part of my lip oor
Speaker 1: right corner and um, it was happening a lot and
Speaker 1: then finally it went away. No idea what happened, but
Speaker 1: I'm just glad it it cleared up. Yeah. I'm a
Speaker 1: side sleeper sort of side slash chest sleeper, and I
Speaker 1: will tuck a pillow up under my arm and face
Speaker 1: as well as the one I'm laying on with my head,
Speaker 1: and I think that has contributed to sort of misaligning
Speaker 1: my jaw. And I looked online and sure enough, there
Speaker 1: are t MJ pillows I think to help thwart that.
Speaker 1: Have you seen like some of like the I think
Speaker 1: Casper makes one, there's one by Avocado. Um, they're they're
Speaker 1: basically like anti snoring pillows. M I don't know. It
Speaker 1: lifts your head up so that your head's not going downward,
Speaker 1: which helps you, um helps it like keeps your your
Speaker 1: airway from being obstructed and hence snoring less. I can.
Speaker 1: It actually works really well. I'm a bit of a
Speaker 1: snorer and they they've cured it. I know you do.
Speaker 1: Were like the three stooges, uh and on. Since we're
Speaker 1: on the pillow front to the other thing that I
Speaker 1: do is I sleep with my arm kind of under
Speaker 1: my head. You know and under my pillow Like I don't.
Speaker 1: I never know what to do with my arms as
Speaker 1: a side sleeper, and that has you know, sometimes I
Speaker 1: wake up in my arm will be numb from just
Speaker 1: being in a weird position. But they have these pillows
Speaker 1: now that that lift you up a little bit and
Speaker 1: have a little a little hatch there where your arm
Speaker 1: fits through. What. I haven't gotten one of those yet,
Speaker 1: but I'm looking into it. Wow, it's amazing. The sleep
Speaker 1: product industry, and I'm not talking about mattresses is just
Speaker 1: ridiculously dents, you know, dents like memory phone. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: love a good memory phone. So so talking about you're
Speaker 1: talking about TMJ and t MD. From what I saw,
Speaker 1: TMJ is the name of the joint and TMD is
Speaker 1: the name of the disorder of the stuff hanging around
Speaker 1: that joint. Is that correct? Well, I've always heard it
Speaker 1: called a t MJ disorder. They may have just shortened
Speaker 1: that to t MD. Okay, Yeah, I've always heard t
Speaker 1: MJ two I've I've I haven't even heard it called
Speaker 1: t MJ disorder, just t MJ. But from what I
Speaker 1: can tell is everybody's been getting wrong all these years
Speaker 1: that t MJ is the joint not the disorder. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like if you say I have t MJ, They're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: everyone's got a temporo mandibular joint jerk, right, big whoop.
Speaker 1: But yeah, t MJ disorder. I think it's just become
Speaker 1: one of those things that's shorthand. But yeah, I think
Speaker 1: t m D is inflammation of that joint. Uh. And
Speaker 1: you know that that can affect kind of your whole face.
Speaker 1: It can spread around to the other muscle and tissue
Speaker 1: pain swelling. We talked about swelling a lot, inflammation swelling.
Speaker 1: That's sort of the key to good health is keeping
Speaker 1: that down. That seems to be like what science is
Speaker 1: starting to figure out first all about inflammation, isn't it.
Speaker 1: It seems like it seems like, um, there's also clicking
Speaker 1: and popping that comes along with it too, which is
Speaker 1: not fun either, not necessarily because it hurts. It's just
Speaker 1: distressing psychologically, like you get worried, like, oh man, is
Speaker 1: this next time you gonna is my jaws is gonna
Speaker 1: stay open? Yeah? Because isn't lockjaw like a potential outcome
Speaker 1: of TMD? I don't know, I don't know anything about lockjaw.
Speaker 1: Is that maybe it's like a fleet circus is just
Speaker 1: one of those things that was made up, but everybody
Speaker 1: started to think it was I thought lockjaw came around
Speaker 1: because uh uh tetanus or whatever. Oh, yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: you're right, you're right. It's like an infection. I forgot
Speaker 1: about that. And I think it's just it's not your
Speaker 1: jaw locking up. It's just a weird name for it. Oh.
Speaker 1: I thought, like your jaw like stayed open. Well, I
Speaker 1: think it can, cause it can cause muscle contractions in
Speaker 1: your jaw. So maybe that is where the name comes from.
Speaker 1: But I think it's from like and I'm speaking out
Speaker 1: of my butt right now, but I think it's from
Speaker 1: like a bacterial infection and this is why you get
Speaker 1: TETNA shots. Yes, but that's weird that it would focus
Speaker 1: on your jaw muscles, you know, pretty specific. It is
Speaker 1: a mystery. Um, you want to take a second break
Speaker 1: and then come back and talk about kids and getting
Speaker 1: rid of this stuff too. Okay everyone, we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: Wh Okay. So everybody knows adults are super angry. Not
Speaker 1: to be looked squarely in the eye easily set off
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, and that that explains teeth grinding
Speaker 1: and adults mostly um that a M d M A.
Speaker 1: With kids, it's a totally different story depending on the age.
Speaker 1: And actually kids tend to grind their teeth um almost
Speaker 1: as a matter of course. They found that of babies
Speaker 1: grind their teeth, but they do it typically when they're teething,
Speaker 1: which makes a lot more sense. Although grinding like your
Speaker 1: gums as the teeth are just breaking through is like
Speaker 1: it's like nails down a chalkboard to me, like that, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: like moist. I mean, I gotta say, there is something
Speaker 1: very creepy about a baby locking down on your pinkie
Speaker 1: before the teeth are in, but those teeth are right behind.
Speaker 1: That's that gum skin, right, It's very weird. It's very creepy.
Speaker 1: It's nothing cute about it. Uh. If your baby, you
Speaker 1: might also grind your teeth because your top and bottoms
Speaker 1: aren't aligned as of yet, or like allergies like you
Speaker 1: were talking about, if they're congested. Um, the same and
Speaker 1: with adults it could be a sign of allergies or something. Yeah. Again,
Speaker 1: allergies produce inflammation, which produces teeth grinding, which is the
Speaker 1: key to the existence of life in the universe. I
Speaker 1: think if you are lot older and you're not like
Speaker 1: a toddler, then it may be stress. It maybe um,
Speaker 1: just that kid anxiety which is super sad. Yeah, you might.
Speaker 1: You might have like a trouble at school or um,
Speaker 1: if your family just moved or something like that. It
Speaker 1: might produce teeth grinding. It might also make you eat
Speaker 1: entire ten packs of twigs in one sitting after school. Um,
Speaker 1: one of the two outcomes. Yeah, not speaking from experience
Speaker 1: or anything, just speaking in generality. By the time, I
Speaker 1: think they say not to worry about it too much.
Speaker 1: If your kid is grinding their teeth before they're seven
Speaker 1: or eight years old, um, after between seven and eight
Speaker 1: and twelve is usually when it'll go away, once they
Speaker 1: get those big, weird looking adult teeth that are still
Speaker 1: in that kid's head. Yeah, and a big old attitude
Speaker 1: to accompany. Yeah, no kidding. But if you're kid is
Speaker 1: like over seven or eight years old and they're still
Speaker 1: grinding their teeth, you might want to go see a dentist.
Speaker 1: And they might say, go see a therapist. Yeah, why not, Frank,
Speaker 1: I mean, or whatever their name might be. That's right,
Speaker 1: Frank the chair therapist. So, Um, the because it's so
Speaker 1: prevalent and because it clears up on its own, you're
Speaker 1: not going to treat your kids bruck is um, like
Speaker 1: you were saying, if it is pretty bad, though, your
Speaker 1: doctor might be like, let's get a mouth guard, and
Speaker 1: the mouth guard might help, probably will help. It won't
Speaker 1: keep him from doing it. But um, one of the
Speaker 1: other things that I saw, like, if your baby does
Speaker 1: grind his or her teeth, Um, one of the problems
Speaker 1: that can have, which is probably why you would want
Speaker 1: to treat it, is that it can keep them awake
Speaker 1: at night, which makes them cranky during the day. So
Speaker 1: I could see wanting to treat teeth grinding, especially if
Speaker 1: it starts to become even remotely an issue. Although you're
Speaker 1: not you don't have to. I could see treating it
Speaker 1: if it starts affecting my quality of daytime life exactly.
Speaker 1: But this article is so adorable. Um. It says, you know,
Speaker 1: there's some things you can do if you're your young
Speaker 1: your young child is grinding his or her teeth, you
Speaker 1: can draw him a warm bath before bed, to read
Speaker 1: him a story. That is just like that's the most
Speaker 1: heartwarming treatment for any condition. I've ever heard try reading
Speaker 1: a story to your kid before bed. That's novel, right,
Speaker 1: Don't try to read him a novel though, Uh let
Speaker 1: me see. I think they also recommend, um, if you're
Speaker 1: an adult, something topical like an analgesic like tiger bomb
Speaker 1: below the ears, like sort of right there outside the jaw. UM.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. I could give that a try,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if that'll keep me from grinding.
Speaker 1: Might just provide some relief. Have you tried warm baths
Speaker 1: for yourself before bed? Get those thighs moist? Uh. It
Speaker 1: says here to keep your tongue in the roof of
Speaker 1: your mouth some that's sort of a version of what
Speaker 1: I'm doing. But I don't see how the roof of
Speaker 1: your mouth helps so much. I think it cuts down
Speaker 1: on um like the chance you might bite your tongue,
Speaker 1: but it's also keeping your mind focused on what your
Speaker 1: mouth is doing at any given time. That's what I
Speaker 1: would guess. UM. And of course, like there's a lot
Speaker 1: that you could do as far as like just relaxing
Speaker 1: is concerned, Like meditation helps with absolutely everything. Um, not
Speaker 1: drinking as much, cutting down on caffeine, not smoking all
Speaker 1: those things are linked to it, um not chewing gum.
Speaker 1: So basically, you know how I think I've said recently
Speaker 1: where if you have like a sleep disorder that you
Speaker 1: like your bed, Who's I telling this to do you remember?
Speaker 1: M H, I don't remember either, but UM, that your
Speaker 1: bed should be just for sleeping, like go to bed
Speaker 1: to sleep, like no TV, no reading, no nothing. And
Speaker 1: then you know, over the course of time, you'll train
Speaker 1: yourself to associate bed with sleep and you'll just be
Speaker 1: able to sleep better. Um. The same thing goes with
Speaker 1: these other um pair of functional habits like chewing on pencaps,
Speaker 1: chewing gum, chewing your fingernails, like you have to make
Speaker 1: sure you're not doing those because your mouth is just
Speaker 1: for eating and drinking and talking and breathing and that's it,
Speaker 1: not for chewing or any grinding your teeth. And you
Speaker 1: can kind of train yourself And that really kind of
Speaker 1: gets to the heart of this whole thing, that it's
Speaker 1: a an unconscious habit that your that your body has
Speaker 1: said this is what we're going with for stress relief.
Speaker 1: So you're clearly stressed out, but you've developed a habit
Speaker 1: and you need to break the habit and there's some
Speaker 1: other techniques that seem to work fairly well that are
Speaker 1: aimed at breaking this habit of grinding your teeth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I I chewed. I've always been in my nails,
Speaker 1: and I used to massacre pens and pencils in school
Speaker 1: when I was like elementary school in high school. I
Speaker 1: don't do that anymore because I literally stopped myself from
Speaker 1: doing it because I know how bad that is for
Speaker 1: my teeth. But um, you know, that's when I was
Speaker 1: a kid. I didn't have the you know, the smoothest
Speaker 1: childhood and home life. So maybe that was that stuff
Speaker 1: coming out. I don't know. I wasn't stressed about like
Speaker 1: work and adult relationships and stuff. I guess, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe I always just had anxiety and never dealt with
Speaker 1: in a in a healthy way. I tend to think
Speaker 1: puberty is a pretty stressful event too, So going through
Speaker 1: that will make you go through a few pain caps.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, what's happening down there, doc stressing me out?
Speaker 1: My thighs are all moist. Oh no, so grind care. Um,
Speaker 1: this thing I thought was amazing. I looked it up
Speaker 1: and I'm like, here you go, this is what cures
Speaker 1: teeth grinding. Yeah. I went to buy one today, but
Speaker 1: I don't live in Germany, Denmark or Sweden. That's the
Speaker 1: only place you can get them. Still, that's what it
Speaker 1: said on the website. Huh. So grind Care is a
Speaker 1: it's a headband. They describe as a headband, but really
Speaker 1: it's these little modules that you put on either side
Speaker 1: of your temple basically, and it's a monitor that censors
Speaker 1: whether you are about to clench your jaw or not
Speaker 1: grind your teeth, and it shoots out a little pulsive
Speaker 1: electricity says no, I don't think so, and it relaxes
Speaker 1: your jaw. I mean, as soon as I saw this,
Speaker 1: I was like, that's it. That's the answer. Man. Well, hey,
Speaker 1: like listeners in Denmark, Germany or where, give me one
Speaker 1: of these things? Sweden? Yeah, hook choke up. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's amazing that it's not available outside those three countries. Uh,
Speaker 1: it really is, because it sounds like it works. They
Speaker 1: say that it reduces grinding by in the first three weeks,
Speaker 1: between weeks six and eight. Yeah, I mean I was sold.
Speaker 1: Maybe I can get my hands on one through the
Speaker 1: maybe dark web. We found out, so we had this
Speaker 1: this portrait made of Momo, and the artist was featured
Speaker 1: in Harper's Bizarre Netherlands, and she had the portrait of
Speaker 1: Momo in the magazine. So yeah, but try to get
Speaker 1: your hands on a Harper's Bizarre Netherlands edition. You can't
Speaker 1: do it. I bet you could get one. You me
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I'll bet the stuff. You
Speaker 1: should know, Army could help. So she went onto the
Speaker 1: s y s K Facebook Army page, was like, just
Speaker 1: asked for help and got a bunch of people who
Speaker 1: have offered, which is super nice. I am happy to report.
Speaker 1: I believe we're getting a few copies. It's fantastic. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was either that or flying to the Netherlands in
Speaker 1: the middle of a pandemic. Well, in any other time
Speaker 1: that might be a fun little adventure. It could be.
Speaker 1: But it was cool because everybody was just so happy
Speaker 1: to help to you know, Yeah, we have the best
Speaker 1: listeners on the planet. I drove to Vegas one time
Speaker 1: with my friend, you know, Johnny Pindell to get a
Speaker 1: T shirt and the drove back. Wow. What was the
Speaker 1: T shirt? If I remember correctly, Johnny wanted a heart
Speaker 1: New York. No, I think it was a was it
Speaker 1: a Crispy Cream Vegas or some sort of larger brand
Speaker 1: with the Vegas specific specificity hard rock? I don't think
Speaker 1: it was. And this was, you know, prey, like you
Speaker 1: could buy anything on the internet at all times. So
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, you want to drive to Vegas. I
Speaker 1: want to get this shirt, and I was like, sure,
Speaker 1: let's do it. How long did it take you? I
Speaker 1: mean it's from l A. It's not far. Oh, I
Speaker 1: was thinking from Atlanta. Good lord. Now it's like, wow,
Speaker 1: must have been one hell of a shirt, even from
Speaker 1: l A. That's pretty pretty impressive. Yeah, it's a common
Speaker 1: Did you guys engage in a huge drug collections free first? Oh? Sure,
Speaker 1: and start seeing bats and then blew it all on
Speaker 1: amal nitrate and blackjack. That's right. There was one other
Speaker 1: thing we should mention, though. There is a um apparently
Speaker 1: something you can put in your mouth. It's got a
Speaker 1: nasty tasting liquid. I guess it's like a gel pack
Speaker 1: or something that you put between your teeth and when
Speaker 1: you bite into it when you're asleep, that thing is
Speaker 1: punctured and that you get that nastiness in your mouth.
Speaker 1: But I don't know that that would work. On me
Speaker 1: because I used to paint my fingernails with deterrent when
Speaker 1: it was an elementary school my mom. It was just
Speaker 1: super bitter, like the most bitter thing you could ever imagine,
Speaker 1: and I just chewed right through it. That's greatly didn't
Speaker 1: stop me. This was so from from what I could tell,
Speaker 1: it was just a patent somebody has. It looks like
Speaker 1: a um a retainer. But then in the back where
Speaker 1: the molars are those packets and they suggested seawater or
Speaker 1: hot sauce, and I was like, jeezus, seems like it
Speaker 1: will wake you up. Apparently that's the point. Like, I
Speaker 1: guess you just annoy yourself into not grinding your teeth
Speaker 1: any longer because you just want to get some sleep.
Speaker 1: So what do you think, Chuck, did this cure you?
Speaker 1: What's it gonna take? I don't know. I'm not having
Speaker 1: that surgery. And I don't like we're in the mouth
Speaker 1: guard I've worn. I wear the mouth guards sometimes when
Speaker 1: I know that I'm no for sure I'm going through
Speaker 1: a particularly stressful period UM but it's just it's not comfortable.
Speaker 1: You know, no one wants to wear those things. Well,
Speaker 1: if you are listening to us, in Germany, Denmark or Sweden.
Speaker 1: Hit chuck ups so he can get a grind care
Speaker 1: from you. That's right. Uh. And in the meantime, if
Speaker 1: you want to know more about teeth grinding, go check
Speaker 1: out the article written by Jordan's Mashkevich called I can't
Speaker 1: remember what it's called, but anyway, just up Jordan Moshkovitch.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's more than one of them running around.
Speaker 1: Um uh. And there's other stuff all over the internet too.
Speaker 1: And since I said that, it's time for listener mail.
Speaker 1: By the way, I bet you there are at least
Speaker 1: ten dentists in New York City named Dr Jordan Moskovitch.
Speaker 1: Do you think so? Sure? Okay, it just sounds like
Speaker 1: a dental name. You know. My first innis name was
Speaker 1: Dr Tuggle. Uh. That is a really great name in general. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Dr Tuggle. That's a great name for like a cat too, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Dr Tuggle, Dr Tuggle. One time I was in the airport.
Speaker 1: This is when we had our dog Buckley and we
Speaker 1: called him Buckles a lot. And Uh, I was in
Speaker 1: the airport and Delta was paging someone at the little
Speaker 1: uh where you check in there, and they said paging
Speaker 1: Mr Buckles, Mr Buckles, can you come to the amazing
Speaker 1: just killed me? I immediately called himly. I was like
Speaker 1: paging Mr Buckles, all right, I'm gonna call this something
Speaker 1: that we got wrong, sort of you got wrong on
Speaker 1: the Heroin podcast, and we heard from enough people about
Speaker 1: this that I thought it bore an email or a read. Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: As a former opiate addict now almost ten years clean,
Speaker 1: with lots of education and experience in this area, I'd
Speaker 1: like to gently suggest that a correction be noted. On
Speaker 1: your recent very good episode on Heroin and discussing the
Speaker 1: withdrawal detox period, Josh stated that an addict order to
Speaker 1: get through that miserable week of suffering, than he or
Speaker 1: she would be essentially over the addiction. While it's true
Speaker 1: the acute phase of heroin withdrawal last about a week,
Speaker 1: addiction as a disorder far more complex and insidious and
Speaker 1: long term than physical dependency, which is only one aspect
Speaker 1: that a week's worth of detox can cure. A secondary
Speaker 1: kind of withdrawal can occur, known as post acute withdrawal
Speaker 1: syndrome pause, in which the brain has to sort of
Speaker 1: recalibrate and heal from protracted dopamine and balances. Pause can
Speaker 1: trigger episodes of anxiety and profound depression, which can even
Speaker 1: lead a recovering addict right back into active addiction. Moreover,
Speaker 1: addiction rarely happens in a vacuum. Most addicts need long
Speaker 1: term support, therapy and coaching. You weren't suggesting that's not
Speaker 1: the case, by the way, to redevelop or develop coping
Speaker 1: skills that will enable him or her to live a
Speaker 1: drug free life. But recovery from addiction is absolutely achievable.
Speaker 1: It's not short or simple as a few days of nausea, aches,
Speaker 1: and diarrhea. Thanks for all you do. That is from
Speaker 1: Jason and sant in tone nice Thanks a lot, Jason,
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely chuck. Thank you for bailing me out on that.
Speaker 1: That's not what I meant. But I definitely should have
Speaker 1: been a lot clearer than I was. Well, we should
Speaker 1: have talked about pause, because that's a big deal. We
Speaker 1: heard from a bunch of people talking about pause, but boy,
Speaker 1: we heard from a lot of people that were current
Speaker 1: informer addicts. It was more so than our other drug podcast.
Speaker 1: It was really pretty enlightening and heartening and disheartening all
Speaker 1: at once. Yeah, I mean it really kind of got across,
Speaker 1: like just how widespread the opioid crisis is. You know. Well,
Speaker 1: thanks to everybody who wrote in uh and hang in there,
Speaker 1: to everybody who's still struggling with addiction of any kind. Um,
Speaker 1: and thanks a lot Jason from Santa Fe or sant
Speaker 1: Intone san Intone. Um. If you want to get in
Speaker 1: touch with this, like Jason did, you can send us
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