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Speaker 1: it out soon coming this fall. Welcome to Stuff you

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Speaker 1: Should Know, a production of My Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Y, Hey,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark and there's

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Speaker 1: Charles W. Chuck Bryant speaking to me today through clenched teeth.

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Speaker 1: Jerry is off um doing who knows what, but she's here,

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Speaker 1: so this is stuff you should know. That's probably right.

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Speaker 1: She's ministering to the um those in need. Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: might as well call this episode, uh, the peek into

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Speaker 1: Chuck's private life. You're gonna have a lot of personal

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Speaker 1: stories about this. Yeah, okay, Okay, well, good while I'm

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Speaker 1: looking forward to that. Yes cha, I was just about

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Speaker 1: to say, Chuck your Brooks or b r u x

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Speaker 1: least and Brooks are it's all right out loud too,

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Speaker 1: I guess. But um, I really don't think we can

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Speaker 1: how stuff works article kicked it off. Okay, okay, go ahead,

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Speaker 1: So Chuck, when we're trying to figure out what bruck

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Speaker 1: It's the complicated medical term for the simple act of

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Speaker 1: grinding your teeth in l All those wacky exercise trends,

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Speaker 1: middle of them that make you give them all your money. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: bruck is um uh, teeth grinding. I'm a tooth grinder,

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Speaker 1: so you've had like serious dental work from that, right?

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Speaker 1: And uh, did you grind? Because we should probably tell

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Speaker 1: everybody there's really two big categories of grinding teeth. One

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Speaker 1: Like that's how that's how loud it gets from how

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Speaker 1: I've got I need to get brouxy going, right. But

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Speaker 1: it um paralyzes the nerves temporarily, but for a really

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Speaker 1: But it's no there's no tooth on tooth the sexiest contact, right.

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Speaker 1: And it's one of those things where as I've gotten older,

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Speaker 1: I've realized that some of this, like old time candy,

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Speaker 1: like Nugat just plain old Nugat great, like it was perfected,

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Speaker 1: Like we've perfected candy in a lot of ways a

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Speaker 1: But saltwater, taffy, nugat, stuff like that. It's it's it really.

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Speaker 1: they introduced us to Newgat and Honeycomb candy. Yeah, why

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Speaker 1: and that's per square inch. Um. I saw up to

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Speaker 1: ten to forty times what you would exert normally when

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Speaker 1: you're chewing. And as you can imagine, like your poor

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Speaker 1: saw something like ten times faster than somebody who doesn't

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Speaker 1: have you ever got a root canal? Uh? Shockingly no,

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Speaker 1: It's just they can take the nerve out so you

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Speaker 1: to something else that's mentioned in this article, which is

420
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: allergies can kick it off. And remember they think that

421
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 1: parasitic worms has to do with either an increase in

422
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: allergies or decrease in allergies or something. But they think

423
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 1: that it's tied with allergies, So that would explain why

424
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: it kicks off. Teeth grinding. Yeah, and I don't think

425
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: we said that. You may not even realize that you're

426
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 1: a brucks are I do because of my my history,

427
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: But um, I think a lot of people don't even

428
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: lies they're gnashing their teeth in their night. You may

429
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: wake up with a sword jaw and I wonder what

430
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: was going on. Think you might have slept on your

431
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: face funny or something. But a dentist can help diagnose

432
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: that for sure, if you go in and say, hey, uh,

433
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: something's going on here. Yeah, yeahs bitz. Yeah. If you

434
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: live alone or you're not grinding your teeth enough to

435
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 1: um wake up your partner, Yeah, there's there's gonna be

436
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 1: like little signs or whatever. But if you don't start

437
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: paying attention to it, you might not notice it unless

438
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: it's a bad case. If it's a bad case. You're

439
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: gonna notice because your teeth are starting to crack and

440
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: chip and wear down. And even if you don't notice that,

441
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: your dentist is gonna be like I think you grind

442
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: your teeth, and that might be the first person to

443
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: tip you off. Yeah, swollen gums. That could also be

444
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: a little tip um. You know, mine sort of happened

445
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: all at once with the job, like I've always had

446
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: a bad bite, uh in. Two rounds of braces did

447
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: not cure it. Oh man, So I've got sort of

448
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: a it's not quite an underbite, but you know, my

449
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: my top my bottom teeth of my top teeth are

450
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: aligned instead of having an overbyte. Right. And I remember

451
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: distinctly when I started having these problems, like ten or

452
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 1: twelve years ago, and I would tell Emily and said,

453
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: it feels like my lower jaw is from someone else's

454
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: body all of a sudden, huh, Like it just doesn't

455
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:24,239
Speaker 1: fit anymore. And that's the easiest way I could describe it.

456
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 1: And it just kind of happened like suddenly, or you

457
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: noticed it like in a short time started noticing it

458
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: over a shortish span ten or twelve years ago. I

459
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: remember one time I was singing in the band for

460
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: band night one time, and I had my mouth open,

461
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: singing like, you know, if I might say so pretty powerfully,

462
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: and something popped like I felt something almost like come unhinged.

463
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: And it got worse after that. So I don't know

464
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,719
Speaker 1: what that was all about. Was that during your famous

465
00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:01,360
Speaker 1: cover of Maria, Yes it was or oh Holy night?

466
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: Uh we didn't change those for our closer so um.

467
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: Another sign that you might have bruck is um is

468
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: if you wake up and you like the inside of

469
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: your cheeks hurt because there have been rubbed draw off

470
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 1: from the getting caught up in the bruck s ng

471
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: uh huh. Yeah, that's that's when it will be particularly bad.

472
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: You might also wake up with um bite marks from it,

473
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: you know, not like you can see it, but you

474
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: can definitely feel those. I went through a little period

475
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: where I was biting, like where my canines are? You know,

476
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,479
Speaker 1: I have like vampire canines, And I don't know. It

477
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: was almost like what you were just describing, like all

478
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: of a sudden, my my bite or my jaw or

479
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 1: something just changed. And for like a month or two,

480
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: I was biting this one part of my lip oor

481
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: right corner and um, it was happening a lot and

482
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: then finally it went away. No idea what happened, but

483
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: I'm just glad it it cleared up. Yeah. I'm a

484
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: side sleeper sort of side slash chest sleeper, and I

485
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: will tuck a pillow up under my arm and face

486
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: as well as the one I'm laying on with my head,

487
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 1: and I think that has contributed to sort of misaligning

488
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: my jaw. And I looked online and sure enough, there

489
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: are t MJ pillows I think to help thwart that.

490
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 1: Have you seen like some of like the I think

491
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: Casper makes one, there's one by Avocado. Um, they're they're

492
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: basically like anti snoring pillows. M I don't know. It

493
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: lifts your head up so that your head's not going downward,

494
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: which helps you, um helps it like keeps your your

495
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: airway from being obstructed and hence snoring less. I can.

496
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: It actually works really well. I'm a bit of a

497
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: snorer and they they've cured it. I know you do.

498
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: Were like the three stooges, uh and on. Since we're

499
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: on the pillow front to the other thing that I

500
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: do is I sleep with my arm kind of under

501
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: my head. You know and under my pillow Like I don't.

502
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: I never know what to do with my arms as

503
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: a side sleeper, and that has you know, sometimes I

504
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: wake up in my arm will be numb from just

505
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: being in a weird position. But they have these pillows

506
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,719
Speaker 1: now that that lift you up a little bit and

507
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,479
Speaker 1: have a little a little hatch there where your arm

508
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: fits through. What. I haven't gotten one of those yet,

509
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: but I'm looking into it. Wow, it's amazing. The sleep

510
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: product industry, and I'm not talking about mattresses is just

511
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: ridiculously dents, you know, dents like memory phone. Yeah, I

512
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: love a good memory phone. So so talking about you're

513
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: talking about TMJ and t MD. From what I saw,

514
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: TMJ is the name of the joint and TMD is

515
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: the name of the disorder of the stuff hanging around

516
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: that joint. Is that correct? Well, I've always heard it

517
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: called a t MJ disorder. They may have just shortened

518
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: that to t MD. Okay, Yeah, I've always heard t

519
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: MJ two I've I've I haven't even heard it called

520
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: t MJ disorder, just t MJ. But from what I

521
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: can tell is everybody's been getting wrong all these years

522
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: that t MJ is the joint not the disorder. Yeah,

523
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: Like if you say I have t MJ, They're like, yeah,

524
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: everyone's got a temporo mandibular joint jerk, right, big whoop.

525
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, t MJ disorder. I think it's just become

526
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: one of those things that's shorthand. But yeah, I think

527
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: t m D is inflammation of that joint. Uh. And

528
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: you know that that can affect kind of your whole face.

529
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: It can spread around to the other muscle and tissue

530
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,479
Speaker 1: pain swelling. We talked about swelling a lot, inflammation swelling.

531
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: That's sort of the key to good health is keeping

532
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: that down. That seems to be like what science is

533
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: starting to figure out first all about inflammation, isn't it.

534
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: It seems like it seems like, um, there's also clicking

535
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: and popping that comes along with it too, which is

536
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: not fun either, not necessarily because it hurts. It's just

537
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: distressing psychologically, like you get worried, like, oh man, is

538
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: this next time you gonna is my jaws is gonna

539
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: stay open? Yeah? Because isn't lockjaw like a potential outcome

540
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: of TMD? I don't know, I don't know anything about lockjaw.

541
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: Is that maybe it's like a fleet circus is just

542
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: one of those things that was made up, but everybody

543
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: started to think it was I thought lockjaw came around

544
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: because uh uh tetanus or whatever. Oh, yeah, you're right,

545
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: you're right, you're right. It's like an infection. I forgot

546
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: about that. And I think it's just it's not your

547
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: jaw locking up. It's just a weird name for it. Oh.

548
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: I thought, like your jaw like stayed open. Well, I

549
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: think it can, cause it can cause muscle contractions in

550
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: your jaw. So maybe that is where the name comes from.

551
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: But I think it's from like and I'm speaking out

552
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: of my butt right now, but I think it's from

553
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: like a bacterial infection and this is why you get

554
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: TETNA shots. Yes, but that's weird that it would focus

555
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: on your jaw muscles, you know, pretty specific. It is

556
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: a mystery. Um, you want to take a second break

557
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: and then come back and talk about kids and getting

558
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: rid of this stuff too. Okay everyone, we'll be right back.

559
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: Wh Okay. So everybody knows adults are super angry. Not

560
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: to be looked squarely in the eye easily set off

561
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, and that that explains teeth grinding

562
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: and adults mostly um that a M d M A.

563
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: With kids, it's a totally different story depending on the age.

564
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: And actually kids tend to grind their teeth um almost

565
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: as a matter of course. They found that of babies

566
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: grind their teeth, but they do it typically when they're teething,

567
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: which makes a lot more sense. Although grinding like your

568
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: gums as the teeth are just breaking through is like

569
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: it's like nails down a chalkboard to me, like that, yeah, yeah,

570
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: like moist. I mean, I gotta say, there is something

571
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: very creepy about a baby locking down on your pinkie

572
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: before the teeth are in, but those teeth are right behind.

573
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: That's that gum skin, right, It's very weird. It's very creepy.

574
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: It's nothing cute about it. Uh. If your baby, you

575
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: might also grind your teeth because your top and bottoms

576
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: aren't aligned as of yet, or like allergies like you

577
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 1: were talking about, if they're congested. Um, the same and

578
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: with adults it could be a sign of allergies or something. Yeah. Again,

579
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: allergies produce inflammation, which produces teeth grinding, which is the

580
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: key to the existence of life in the universe. I

581
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: think if you are lot older and you're not like

582
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: a toddler, then it may be stress. It maybe um,

583
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: just that kid anxiety which is super sad. Yeah, you might.

584
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 1: You might have like a trouble at school or um,

585
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: if your family just moved or something like that. It

586
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: might produce teeth grinding. It might also make you eat

587
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: entire ten packs of twigs in one sitting after school. Um,

588
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: one of the two outcomes. Yeah, not speaking from experience

589
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: or anything, just speaking in generality. By the time, I

590
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 1: think they say not to worry about it too much.

591
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 1: If your kid is grinding their teeth before they're seven

592
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 1: or eight years old, um, after between seven and eight

593
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: and twelve is usually when it'll go away, once they

594
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: get those big, weird looking adult teeth that are still

595
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: in that kid's head. Yeah, and a big old attitude

596
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: to accompany. Yeah, no kidding. But if you're kid is

597
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: like over seven or eight years old and they're still

598
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: grinding their teeth, you might want to go see a dentist.

599
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: And they might say, go see a therapist. Yeah, why not, Frank,

600
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: I mean, or whatever their name might be. That's right,

601
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: Frank the chair therapist. So, Um, the because it's so

602
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: prevalent and because it clears up on its own, you're

603
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: not going to treat your kids bruck is um, like

604
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: you were saying, if it is pretty bad, though, your

605
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: doctor might be like, let's get a mouth guard, and

606
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,439
Speaker 1: the mouth guard might help, probably will help. It won't

607
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: keep him from doing it. But um, one of the

608
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: other things that I saw, like, if your baby does

609
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: grind his or her teeth, Um, one of the problems

610
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: that can have, which is probably why you would want

611
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: to treat it, is that it can keep them awake

612
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: at night, which makes them cranky during the day. So

613
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: I could see wanting to treat teeth grinding, especially if

614
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: it starts to become even remotely an issue. Although you're

615
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: not you don't have to. I could see treating it

616
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: if it starts affecting my quality of daytime life exactly.

617
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: But this article is so adorable. Um. It says, you know,

618
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: there's some things you can do if you're your young

619
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: your young child is grinding his or her teeth, you

620
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 1: can draw him a warm bath before bed, to read

621
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: him a story. That is just like that's the most

622
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,919
Speaker 1: heartwarming treatment for any condition. I've ever heard try reading

623
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: a story to your kid before bed. That's novel, right,

624
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: Don't try to read him a novel though, Uh let

625
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: me see. I think they also recommend, um, if you're

626
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: an adult, something topical like an analgesic like tiger bomb

627
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: below the ears, like sort of right there outside the jaw. UM.

628
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. I could give that a try,

629
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: but I don't know if that'll keep me from grinding.

630
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: Might just provide some relief. Have you tried warm baths

631
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: for yourself before bed? Get those thighs moist? Uh. It

632
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: says here to keep your tongue in the roof of

633
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: your mouth some that's sort of a version of what

634
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: I'm doing. But I don't see how the roof of

635
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: your mouth helps so much. I think it cuts down

636
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: on um like the chance you might bite your tongue,

637
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 1: but it's also keeping your mind focused on what your

638
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: mouth is doing at any given time. That's what I

639
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: would guess. UM. And of course, like there's a lot

640
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: that you could do as far as like just relaxing

641
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: is concerned, Like meditation helps with absolutely everything. Um, not

642
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: drinking as much, cutting down on caffeine, not smoking all

643
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 1: those things are linked to it, um not chewing gum.

644
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: So basically, you know how I think I've said recently

645
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: where if you have like a sleep disorder that you

646
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: like your bed, Who's I telling this to do you remember?

647
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: M H, I don't remember either, but UM, that your

648
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: bed should be just for sleeping, like go to bed

649
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: to sleep, like no TV, no reading, no nothing. And

650
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: then you know, over the course of time, you'll train

651
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: yourself to associate bed with sleep and you'll just be

652
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,439
Speaker 1: able to sleep better. Um. The same thing goes with

653
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: these other um pair of functional habits like chewing on pencaps,

654
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: chewing gum, chewing your fingernails, like you have to make

655
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: sure you're not doing those because your mouth is just

656
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: for eating and drinking and talking and breathing and that's it,

657
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: not for chewing or any grinding your teeth. And you

658
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: can kind of train yourself And that really kind of

659
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: gets to the heart of this whole thing, that it's

660
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: a an unconscious habit that your that your body has

661
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: said this is what we're going with for stress relief.

662
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: So you're clearly stressed out, but you've developed a habit

663
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: and you need to break the habit and there's some

664
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: other techniques that seem to work fairly well that are

665
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: aimed at breaking this habit of grinding your teeth. Yeah,

666
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 1: I mean I I chewed. I've always been in my nails,

667
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: and I used to massacre pens and pencils in school

668
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: when I was like elementary school in high school. I

669
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: don't do that anymore because I literally stopped myself from

670
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: doing it because I know how bad that is for

671
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: my teeth. But um, you know, that's when I was

672
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: a kid. I didn't have the you know, the smoothest

673
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: childhood and home life. So maybe that was that stuff

674
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 1: coming out. I don't know. I wasn't stressed about like

675
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: work and adult relationships and stuff. I guess, you know,

676
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: maybe I always just had anxiety and never dealt with

677
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: in a in a healthy way. I tend to think

678
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: puberty is a pretty stressful event too, So going through

679
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: that will make you go through a few pain caps.

680
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, what's happening down there, doc stressing me out?

681
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 1: My thighs are all moist. Oh no, so grind care. Um,

682
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: this thing I thought was amazing. I looked it up

683
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: and I'm like, here you go, this is what cures

684
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: teeth grinding. Yeah. I went to buy one today, but

685
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: I don't live in Germany, Denmark or Sweden. That's the

686
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: only place you can get them. Still, that's what it

687
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: said on the website. Huh. So grind Care is a

688
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: it's a headband. They describe as a headband, but really

689
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 1: it's these little modules that you put on either side

690
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: of your temple basically, and it's a monitor that censors

691
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: whether you are about to clench your jaw or not

692
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: grind your teeth, and it shoots out a little pulsive

693
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: electricity says no, I don't think so, and it relaxes

694
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: your jaw. I mean, as soon as I saw this,

695
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: I was like, that's it. That's the answer. Man. Well, hey,

696
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: like listeners in Denmark, Germany or where, give me one

697
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: of these things? Sweden? Yeah, hook choke up. Yeah, it's

698
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: it's amazing that it's not available outside those three countries. Uh,

699
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: it really is, because it sounds like it works. They

700
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: say that it reduces grinding by in the first three weeks,

701
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: between weeks six and eight. Yeah, I mean I was sold.

702
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: Maybe I can get my hands on one through the

703
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: maybe dark web. We found out, so we had this

704
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 1: this portrait made of Momo, and the artist was featured

705
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: in Harper's Bizarre Netherlands, and she had the portrait of

706
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: Momo in the magazine. So yeah, but try to get

707
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: your hands on a Harper's Bizarre Netherlands edition. You can't

708
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: do it. I bet you could get one. You me

709
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I'll bet the stuff. You

710
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: should know, Army could help. So she went onto the

711
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 1: s y s K Facebook Army page, was like, just

712
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,919
Speaker 1: asked for help and got a bunch of people who

713
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: have offered, which is super nice. I am happy to report.

714
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: I believe we're getting a few copies. It's fantastic. Yeah.

715
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: It was either that or flying to the Netherlands in

716
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: the middle of a pandemic. Well, in any other time

717
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: that might be a fun little adventure. It could be.

718
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: But it was cool because everybody was just so happy

719
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: to help to you know, Yeah, we have the best

720
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: listeners on the planet. I drove to Vegas one time

721
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: with my friend, you know, Johnny Pindell to get a

722
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: T shirt and the drove back. Wow. What was the

723
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: T shirt? If I remember correctly, Johnny wanted a heart

724
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: New York. No, I think it was a was it

725
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: a Crispy Cream Vegas or some sort of larger brand

726
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: with the Vegas specific specificity hard rock? I don't think

727
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: it was. And this was, you know, prey, like you

728
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 1: could buy anything on the internet at all times. So

729
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, you want to drive to Vegas. I

730
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: want to get this shirt, and I was like, sure,

731
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: let's do it. How long did it take you? I

732
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: mean it's from l A. It's not far. Oh, I

733
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: was thinking from Atlanta. Good lord. Now it's like, wow,

734
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: must have been one hell of a shirt, even from

735
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: l A. That's pretty pretty impressive. Yeah, it's a common

736
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: Did you guys engage in a huge drug collections free first? Oh? Sure,

737
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 1: and start seeing bats and then blew it all on

738
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: amal nitrate and blackjack. That's right. There was one other

739
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: thing we should mention, though. There is a um apparently

740
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: something you can put in your mouth. It's got a

741
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: nasty tasting liquid. I guess it's like a gel pack

742
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 1: or something that you put between your teeth and when

743
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: you bite into it when you're asleep, that thing is

744
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: punctured and that you get that nastiness in your mouth.

745
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: But I don't know that that would work. On me

746
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: because I used to paint my fingernails with deterrent when

747
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: it was an elementary school my mom. It was just

748
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: super bitter, like the most bitter thing you could ever imagine,

749
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 1: and I just chewed right through it. That's greatly didn't

750
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,959
Speaker 1: stop me. This was so from from what I could tell,

751
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: it was just a patent somebody has. It looks like

752
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 1: a um a retainer. But then in the back where

753
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: the molars are those packets and they suggested seawater or

754
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: hot sauce, and I was like, jeezus, seems like it

755
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: will wake you up. Apparently that's the point. Like, I

756
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: guess you just annoy yourself into not grinding your teeth

757
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: any longer because you just want to get some sleep.

758
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 1: So what do you think, Chuck, did this cure you?

759
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: What's it gonna take? I don't know. I'm not having

760
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: that surgery. And I don't like we're in the mouth

761
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: guard I've worn. I wear the mouth guards sometimes when

762
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: I know that I'm no for sure I'm going through

763
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: a particularly stressful period UM but it's just it's not comfortable.

764
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: You know, no one wants to wear those things. Well,

765
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: if you are listening to us, in Germany, Denmark or Sweden.

766
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: Hit chuck ups so he can get a grind care

767
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: from you. That's right. Uh. And in the meantime, if

768
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 1: you want to know more about teeth grinding, go check

769
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 1: out the article written by Jordan's Mashkevich called I can't

770
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: remember what it's called, but anyway, just up Jordan Moshkovitch.

771
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 1: I don't think there's more than one of them running around.

772
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: Um uh. And there's other stuff all over the internet too.

773
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: And since I said that, it's time for listener mail.

774
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: By the way, I bet you there are at least

775
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: ten dentists in New York City named Dr Jordan Moskovitch.

776
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: Do you think so? Sure? Okay, it just sounds like

777
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: a dental name. You know. My first innis name was

778
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: Dr Tuggle. Uh. That is a really great name in general. Yeah,

779
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 1: Dr Tuggle. That's a great name for like a cat too, Yeah,

780
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: Dr Tuggle, Dr Tuggle. One time I was in the airport.

781
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: This is when we had our dog Buckley and we

782
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: called him Buckles a lot. And Uh, I was in

783
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: the airport and Delta was paging someone at the little

784
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 1: uh where you check in there, and they said paging

785
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: Mr Buckles, Mr Buckles, can you come to the amazing

786
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: just killed me? I immediately called himly. I was like

787
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: paging Mr Buckles, all right, I'm gonna call this something

788
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: that we got wrong, sort of you got wrong on

789
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,720
Speaker 1: the Heroin podcast, and we heard from enough people about

790
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 1: this that I thought it bore an email or a read. Hey, guys,

791
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: As a former opiate addict now almost ten years clean,

792
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: with lots of education and experience in this area, I'd

793
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: like to gently suggest that a correction be noted. On

794
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: your recent very good episode on Heroin and discussing the

795
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: withdrawal detox period, Josh stated that an addict order to

796
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: get through that miserable week of suffering, than he or

797
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: she would be essentially over the addiction. While it's true

798
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: the acute phase of heroin withdrawal last about a week,

799
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: addiction as a disorder far more complex and insidious and

800
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: long term than physical dependency, which is only one aspect

801
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: that a week's worth of detox can cure. A secondary

802
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: kind of withdrawal can occur, known as post acute withdrawal

803
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: syndrome pause, in which the brain has to sort of

804
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: recalibrate and heal from protracted dopamine and balances. Pause can

805
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: trigger episodes of anxiety and profound depression, which can even

806
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: lead a recovering addict right back into active addiction. Moreover,

807
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: addiction rarely happens in a vacuum. Most addicts need long

808
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: term support, therapy and coaching. You weren't suggesting that's not

809
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 1: the case, by the way, to redevelop or develop coping

810
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 1: skills that will enable him or her to live a

811
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: drug free life. But recovery from addiction is absolutely achievable.

812
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: It's not short or simple as a few days of nausea, aches,

813
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: and diarrhea. Thanks for all you do. That is from

814
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 1: Jason and sant in tone nice Thanks a lot, Jason,

815
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely chuck. Thank you for bailing me out on that.

816
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: That's not what I meant. But I definitely should have

817
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: been a lot clearer than I was. Well, we should

818
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: have talked about pause, because that's a big deal. We

819
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: heard from a bunch of people talking about pause, but boy,

820
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 1: we heard from a lot of people that were current

821
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: informer addicts. It was more so than our other drug podcast.

822
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: It was really pretty enlightening and heartening and disheartening all

823
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: at once. Yeah, I mean it really kind of got across,

824
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: like just how widespread the opioid crisis is. You know. Well,

825
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: thanks to everybody who wrote in uh and hang in there,

826
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: to everybody who's still struggling with addiction of any kind. Um,

827
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: and thanks a lot Jason from Santa Fe or sant

828
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: Intone san Intone. Um. If you want to get in

829
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: touch with this, like Jason did, you can send us

830
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: an email, wrap it up, spank it on the bottom,

831
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,720
Speaker 1: and send it off to Stuff Podcasts at iHeart radio

832
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: dot com. Stuff you Should Know is a production of

833
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,080
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