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Speaker 2: I heard a couple of times over the years that

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Speaker 2: and three fifty last one of the year. Well, I

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Speaker 2: got to read this email that Deborah forwarded to me.

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Speaker 2: A listener named Cheryl wrote to Deborah, and this is

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Speaker 2: off our discussion about using meat beef for cosmetics, and

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Speaker 2: she writes, Hey, Deborah, I just wanted to thank you

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Speaker 2: for being such a good animal person. It really tees

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Speaker 2: me off when people you work with tease you about

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Speaker 2: being vegan. Oops, like right now one fifty seven pm,

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Speaker 2: that d head that's laughing at you for I think

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Speaker 2: vegan cosmetics. Why is it not wanting to eat animals

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Speaker 2: that have suffered then slaughtered for ten for ten minutes

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Speaker 6: Uh huh.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I had the best cheeseburger for today.

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Speaker 1: I just didn't take about ten minutes to eat it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there should be a prerequisite of having to go

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Speaker 2: to a slaughterhouse before you can purchase meat. Keep representing, girl,

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Speaker 2: So Cheryl, all right, there you go.

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Speaker 7: You go, girl, Cheryl, thank you for your lovely, lovely emails.

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Speaker 2: And I'm a d head you are, Yeah, except she

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Speaker 2: spelled the whole thing out.

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Speaker 2: She called me a word I can't use here. That's correct,

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Speaker 2: that's not fair. All right, we're gonna go to alex Stone.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: It's also about animals because the bird flu has gotten

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Speaker 2: into the milk supply, which shouldn't be a problem, except

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Speaker 2: a lot of idiots are following Robert Kennedy's recommendation and

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Speaker 2: drinking raw milk. And now cats are in trouble too

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Speaker 2: with the bird flu, and Alex has got all the

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Speaker 2: de Yeah here in La County, more cats have got it.

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Speaker 2: By the way. I was in the Tom Bradley Terminal

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Speaker 2: the TSAs and I looked up and it said via

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Speaker 2: a Gosa Pavilion. I didn't know he had that. I

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Speaker 2: didn't know that either. Yeah, big letters of the viaa

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Speaker 2: Gosa Pavilion, the name the tom Bradley Terminal. Come on,

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Speaker 2: I haven't sended. Hey, guys, I didn't know that. And

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Speaker 2: they were like, oh, yeah, this is called the Viaa

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Speaker 2: Gosa Pavilion. So he's been immortalized. Now travelers for one

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Speaker 2: hundred years are going to be anybody coming in from

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Speaker 1: That's outrageous.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, with bird flu, the warning and we got

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Speaker 2: an update from the Health Department today that they're really

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Speaker 2: pushing the stay away from the raw and pasteurized milk,

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Speaker 2: and it is all the craze right now. RFKJU and

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Speaker 2: your and others have touted it, but they're finding more

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Speaker 2: But most of the nation's cases have been here in California.

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Speaker 2: This briefing today, they said the governor's emergency declaration is

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Speaker 6: Overall risk of the public remains low. Thirty five of

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Speaker 9: Virus is severe and highly contagious in poultry. It's basically

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Speaker 2: And then when it comes to the cows, six hundred

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Speaker 2: They say they've got to learn a lot more.

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Speaker 9: The virus is less well understood in cows, given that

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Speaker 2: And they told us today so far they still haven't

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Speaker 2: is somebody critically ill with a respiratory illness. It's been

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Speaker 2: mild though for everybody else. Everybody in California it's been

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Speaker 2: they're well watching that part of it right now, that

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Speaker 6: Why we get specific sequence testing to look for any mutations,

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Speaker 2: And just one other thing, we asked about eggs and

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Speaker 2: getting it from the poultry, I guess, yeah, well originally

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Speaker 2: think as birds move, they're stopping off at these farms

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Speaker 1: So it's in dairy cattle. Yeah, so the milk can

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Speaker 2: You drink the raw milk or give it to your cat,

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Speaker 2: and then you get it or your cat gets it.

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Speaker 2: But they say they know that humans can get it

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Speaker 2: humans is low right now, unless it does begin to

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Speaker 2: go human to human. Among the cats in La County,

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Speaker 2: two have died that were confirmed with it. There are

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Speaker 2: it's pretty deadly and cats. There's zoo animals in Arizona,

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Speaker 2: but they don't know why. Very good, Alex, have a

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Speaker 2: good Christmas about it. What did that woman call you

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Speaker 2: Go into an La Times food testing tasting festival about that,

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Speaker 2: this Christmas season. All right, We've told you not to

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Speaker 2: drink moral milk because pasteurization kills the germs and milk

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Speaker 10: When you talk about the editorial board, because when you tweeted,

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Speaker 11: Again, I think it's important for us to differentiate editorial

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Speaker 10: It's interesting because the election, the voters were very clear

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Speaker 1: Out to them? They are your readers.

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Speaker 11: Well? In fact, if you look at the twenty twenty

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Speaker 11: I think that's exactly what the press needs to understand.

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Speaker 1: It's shocking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but the balance is there's some people on this

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Speaker 7: Okay, so then somebody that's not on your side would

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Speaker 2: When we come back, Daniel Gus, the independent online journalist here.

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Speaker 2: About the LA Time Soon situation because he gets a

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Speaker 2: will talk about that. Brian Williams is his name, Brian K. Williams,

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Speaker 3: You're listening to John Cobel's on demand from KFI.

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Speaker 2: A six forty on every day from one until four

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Speaker 1: Up after Deever's three o'clock news.

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Speaker 2: Tom McClintock the congressman from northern California, and he was

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Speaker 2: to be taking action once Trump is inaugurated and what

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Speaker 2: Uh so life, life is getting better. Let's go now

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Speaker 2: to Daniel Gus.

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Speaker 8: Uh.

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Speaker 2: He's a journalist based here in LA Online and we've

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Speaker 8: Uh yeah, on substack. Johnny's Danielgus dot substack dot com.

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Speaker 2: All right, No, people should should read your stuff because

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Speaker 2: you're about the only journalist digging around LA politics anymore.

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Speaker 8: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Certainly you don't get much out of the La Times,

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Speaker 2: which is why one of the reasons I wanted you

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Speaker 2: on what do you think of this?

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Speaker 4: Did?

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Speaker 2: We just played four minutes of uh Patrick soon shiong

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Speaker 2: on on Fox. Uh, and it looks like he's remaking

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Speaker 2: the entire philosophy of the paper, including the editorial section.

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Speaker 1: I mean including the news gathering section.

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Speaker 8: Well, he has a lot of work to do on both.

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Speaker 8: I don't think he's acknowledged in the dishonest news reporting

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Speaker 8: at the La Times as much as he has come

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Speaker 8: to the conclusion that it's needed at the editorial board.

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Speaker 8: But just so you know, John, I wholehearted the endorse

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Speaker 8: Patrick sun Scheung adding you to the La Times editorial board.

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Speaker 8: But if you do take that gig, avoid the raw

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Speaker 8: oysters and milk at the Times Commissary.

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Speaker 1: It wouldn't be a great.

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Speaker 8: Way to send the herd over there, though, it wouldn't it.

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Speaker 3: Huh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I'm thinking there's a lot of there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of La Times journalists now standing at the window

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Speaker 2: ledge after listening what su Hiang was saying, because it

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Speaker 2: looks like looks like the ride on Wolk World is over.

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Speaker 2: I mean that really is a.

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Speaker 8: Yeah. I noticed something in recent posts on the La

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Speaker 8: Times report, in particular on their social media feeds, where

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Speaker 8: they refer to his financing and ownership of The Times

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Speaker 8: as his underwriting their brand of journalism. No, it's a

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Speaker 8: for profit business. It's a struggling business, and it's like,

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Speaker 8: as I wrote a few days ago, it's their Glen

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Speaker 8: Garry Glen Ross moment. You either get in line and

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Speaker 8: produce what the owner wants or listen. Nobody's keeping you there.

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Speaker 8: You need to start telling us the truth, and you don't.

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Speaker 8: The LA Times reporters several of whom I know, and

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Speaker 8: they're good people, but their version of journalism, what it's

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Speaker 8: supposed to be, is not reflective of reality time and

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Speaker 8: time again. And you could look at this chaos going

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Speaker 8: over at least to the Hole now and everything else

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Speaker 8: that's going there. It's almost as if there's a house

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Speaker 8: of cards between the LA media, which relies heavily not

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Speaker 8: talking about KFI, but relies heavily on whatever the LA

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Speaker 8: Time says, yeah, and LA City Hall and the county supervisors.

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Speaker 8: And like a game of Djenga, you pull out one

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Speaker 8: piece and all of a sudden, these epiphanies are happening

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Speaker 8: every day, and it's not even twenty twenty five yet.

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Speaker 8: I think it's very healthy and it's very cleansing. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I noticed that when I first came out here many

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Speaker 2: years ago, that I'd watch the TV reports, listen to

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Speaker 2: radio reports, and they were mimicking the exact story selection

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Speaker 2: and tone and an angle that The Times had that morning,

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Speaker 2: and I realized, oh my god, all these assignment editors,

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Speaker 2: that all these media outlets in town were just regurgitating

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Speaker 2: whatever The Times decided to do.

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Speaker 8: Right, right, exactly, and it's still there. There is like

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Speaker 8: almost a defiance if you read the social media posts

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Speaker 8: of the La Times Guild, the union representing the content creators,

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Speaker 8: or most of them, there is a defiance about this

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Speaker 8: bubble that they've been living in. Let me give you

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Speaker 8: a perfect example. And before we get into that whole

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Speaker 8: LA's City Hall thing with the deputy mayor of Karen Vass.

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Speaker 8: So they have these updates about this deputy mayor whose

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Speaker 8: home was raided in Pasadena the other day, you know,

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Speaker 8: all sorts of glowing endorsements, and he was a nineteen

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Speaker 8: you know, eighties graduate of UCLA law. And there seems

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Speaker 8: to be an obsessive focus on how well dressed Brian K.

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Speaker 8: Williams is. And in an article published earlier today by

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Speaker 8: Liberal Janney, they say, oh, people talked about what a

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Speaker 8: sharp dresser he was. And then for some reason later

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Speaker 8: in the article they described what he was wearing at

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Speaker 8: the swearing inn of Nathan Hakman a few days ago,

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Speaker 8: with like a well pressed suit with a bow tie.

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Speaker 8: Is that virtue signaling or is that news reporting? Why

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Speaker 8: is the fact that this alleged, alleged person who called

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Speaker 8: in this fake bomb threat? Why is the fact that

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Speaker 8: it's a well pressed suit with a bow tie relevant

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Speaker 8: to the news store.

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Speaker 2: That's the subtle way they want to shape your opinion

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Speaker 2: of him. He seems to be a very well dressed,

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Speaker 2: intelligent professional man. Obviously a guy like that couldn't possibly

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Speaker 2: call in a fake bomb threat. That's the kind of

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Speaker 2: subtle bias that you know at first glance, you don't

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Speaker 2: quite notice it, but you have to have a sharp

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Speaker 2: critical lie. And then I noticed the same thing you did,

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Speaker 2: because you and I have sharp critical lies, and we

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Speaker 2: know what the LA Times is up to.

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Speaker 1: That's not an accident.

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Speaker 2: They're suddenly getting into fashion journalism for a deputy mayor.

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Speaker 8: Right, And I'm looking at the press release issued by

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Speaker 8: Karen Bass's office, which you can discount at least by

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Speaker 8: two thirds in its veracity, and which they say they

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Speaker 8: released this press release on December eighteenth, a couple of

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Speaker 8: days ago, and said that we were notified that the

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Speaker 8: LA that the FBI searched the home of Deputy Mayor

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Speaker 8: Brian Williams yesterday part of an investigation of an alleged

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Speaker 8: bomb threat that took place, I believe last October. So

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Speaker 8: what is that? What can we glean from that?

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Speaker 5: John?

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Speaker 8: We can glean that the FBI has been investigating this

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Speaker 8: and didn't tell the mayor's office until just when this happened.

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Speaker 8: At least according to their press release, the FBI kept

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Speaker 8: this away from Karen Vass's office. And that's probably because

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Speaker 8: my conclusion is, when you see the FBI doing a

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Speaker 8: home a rate of a politicians right hand person, it

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Speaker 8: goes to a different level. If it was the LAPP

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Speaker 8: doing it, I wouldn't trust it. I do not trust listen.

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Speaker 8: I'm in favor of of the good cops who are

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Speaker 8: doing hard work dealing with really difficult situations, and by

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Speaker 8: the way, a good number of them are not trustworthy.

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Speaker 8: But if the La Times the LAPD were to put

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Speaker 8: this out, I would look at it very suspiciously. But

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Speaker 8: the fact that it's the FEDS and they apparently kept

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Speaker 8: this information away from Karen Bass's office, it tells me

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Speaker 8: there's a lot more to this than meets the eye,

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Speaker 8: and By the way, an earlier statement I believe by

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Speaker 8: the LAPD said that they believe that Williams is the

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Speaker 8: quote unquote likely perpetrator of this.

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Speaker 2: So and you know, Deputy mayor in charge of public safety,

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Speaker 2: he oversaw the police department and the fire department and

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Speaker 2: other law enforcement agencies in.

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Speaker 8: The city right and the fire department in Los Angeles world,

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Speaker 8: there was he is Karen Bass's eyes and ears to

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Speaker 8: these agencies. And this is the second biggest city in

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Speaker 8: in on major things where we have the Olympics coming up,

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Speaker 8: and this is what's going on. I'm going to tell

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Speaker 8: you something, John Taren Bass's office does not vet a

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Speaker 8: lot of the people that has hiring and acting on

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Speaker 8: her behalf at this level and at lower levels, and

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Speaker 8: city Council just rougher stamps them and they process them through.

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Speaker 8: They need a top down approach to vetting all of

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Speaker 8: these people from an outside source not paid by city hall.

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Speaker 2: Now, he has been various government positions for over twenty years.

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Speaker 2: I mean he was a deputy in the James Haunt

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Speaker 2: administration twenty years ago. So this is he's not an

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Speaker 2: unknown quantity. They didn't pick him up off the street

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Speaker 2: I'm just wondering, was there a hidden screw loose or

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Speaker 2: is this connected to some larger story, like he wanted

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Speaker 2: to disrupt city Hall that day? Was there a reason

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Speaker 2: it wasn't just you know, he went out of a

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Speaker 2: vendor and called them a bomb threat. Was there like

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Speaker 2: a purpose to the bomb threat, not just some strange

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Speaker 2: impulsive act.

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Speaker 8: You know, it's entirely possible, perfect imperfect analogy is what happened,

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Speaker 8: I believe earlier this year when a Congressman, Jabal Bowman

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Speaker 8: Jamal Bowman, a former school principal, pulled the fire alarm,

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Speaker 8: removed fire alarm warning signs as Congress was going to

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Speaker 8: vote on a big bill. Denied it. Well guess what

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Speaker 8: they centered him and he ended up losing his shower.

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Speaker 8: He should be in jail as if a sixteen year

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Speaker 8: old kid did it. And so whatever's going on here,

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Speaker 8: I don't know. But here's a little something from mister

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Speaker 8: mister William's LinkedIn page which says that he is the

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Speaker 8: present owner owner of a law firm in Pasadena. But

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Speaker 8: there's no active website for it. It has an active email,

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Speaker 8: it has an active phone number, So that is that

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Speaker 8: an issue? So he's a deputy mayor to a deputy

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Speaker 8: mayor to Karen Bass. But he has a law firm

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Speaker 8: but no website. There's all sorts of things like this,

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Speaker 8: and it just I don't know yet, but we will

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Speaker 8: know soon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I get the sense there's a lot more to

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Speaker 2: this story. Daniel, thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 8: Anytime. John, thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: Daniel Gus.

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Speaker 3: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from.

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Speaker 4: KFI A six.

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Speaker 2: We're on the air from one until four and then

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Speaker 2: after four o'clock John Cobelt's show on demand.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh.

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Speaker 2: Tom McClintock right after Denbra's news at three o'clock. And

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Speaker 2: McClintock the congressman up in northern California.

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Speaker 1: He's on.

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Speaker 2: A immigration committee, it's called the House Border Security Caucus,

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Speaker 2: and he was speaking yesterday laying out what Trump and

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Speaker 2: Tom Homan are going to do. This is real, They're

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Speaker 2: really going to do it on day one and we'll

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Speaker 2: get to that coming up. I want to play this

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Speaker 2: clip while we have a minute. There is a San

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Speaker 2: Francisco apparently has money in the budget. They hired a

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Speaker 2: weight czar, a considerably overweight woman. Let's say, she's very

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Speaker 2: well fed, overfed, and she is going to try to

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Speaker 2: shape the public perception of what you should think and

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Speaker 2: say about heavy people. And we have a little clip

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Speaker 2: of her and her philosophy. She was on the All

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Speaker 2: to Beauty podcast that was hosted by a celebrity hairstylist

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Speaker 2: named David Lopez. San Francisco taxpayers are now paying for

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Speaker 2: this woman's salary.

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Speaker 1: Virgie Tovar, listen to this. What is your definition of health? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's really complicated.

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Speaker 12: I think I want to sort of I want to

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Speaker 12: talk about that question, and I want to start by

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Speaker 12: saying that, you know, no one has to be healthy,

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Speaker 12: you know, right, Like I mean, it's like no, like

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Speaker 12: there is no governing body that's like out there putting

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Speaker 12: you know what I mean, No one owes anybody that

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Speaker 12: in either the traditional sense of the word or any

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Speaker 12: other more innovative or you know, more politicized maybe even

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Speaker 12: version of that words. I think it's important to say.

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Speaker 12: And I want to back up and bring an intersectionality

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Speaker 12: and say, like, great, like, look at the disabled community,

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Speaker 12: right like, I think people with disabilities have an activist

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Speaker 12: within that space have consistently been saying like I'm never

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Speaker 12: going to be your notion of healthy. That doesn't mean

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Speaker 12: I don't get to be a full human. You get

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Speaker 12: to treat me some kind of way, right, And so

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Speaker 12: I think I love taking that principle within disability rights too,

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Speaker 12: fat activism and two understandings of fatness.

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Speaker 1: So I want to.

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Speaker 12: Start there right like, no matter what size you are,

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Speaker 12: you don't owe anybody else your health. But I mean

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Speaker 12: for me, like in an ideal world, where like in

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Speaker 12: an ideal world, there wouldn't be health based gatekeeping at all.

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Speaker 2: Of course she got a government job. She is the

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Speaker 2: hell with the weight stigma Zar. She's written a book,

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Speaker 2: You Have the Right to Be Fat, and she also

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Speaker 2: describes herself as a DEI professional. On Instagram, she wrote,

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Speaker 2: I'm unbelievably proud to serve the city I've called home

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Speaker 2: for almost twenty years. This consultancy is an absolute dream

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Speaker 2: come true, and it's my biggest hope and belief that

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Speaker 2: weight neutrality will be the future of public health.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's just scientific fact. You can be as fat

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Speaker 1: as you want.

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Speaker 2: But all I'm all I know is if you go

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Speaker 2: to a nursing home, there's no fat people in a

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Speaker 2: nursing home.

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Speaker 1: You walk in there and it's.

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Speaker 2: All people in their seventies and eighties, not one fat person.

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Speaker 2: The fat people are all underground now, they're all eating dirt.

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Speaker 2: Tovars describes herself as a leading expert on weight based

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Speaker 2: discrimination and body positivity. Oo, man, do all these phrases

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Speaker 2: have to be retired? She also details her diversity, equity

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Speaker 2: and inclusion work. Virgie's corporate trainings focus on creating a

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Speaker 2: non judgmental environment where professionals can build awareness, will cat abulary,

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Speaker 2: and best practices at decreasing occupational weight based discrimination. Oh

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Speaker 2: if they bring in this lady for some mandated corporate seminar,

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Speaker 2: I'm not going.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get a weight stigma lecture. Geez, is

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Speaker 1: that how she said it?

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Speaker 8: Eric?

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Speaker 7: Was that close?

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Speaker 8: What?

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Speaker 2: Hmm?

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Speaker 1: I think she makes that sound a lot.

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Speaker 7: Yes, John, that was rude and that's not what I

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Speaker 7: was saying.

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Speaker 2: In fact, in this story, she explains why asking for

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Speaker 2: a small cake slice is fat phobic and anti feminist.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, She says examples of fat liberation are

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Speaker 2: putting as much butter as she wants in her toast,

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Speaker 2: and she wears a bikini to the beach.

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Speaker 7: All right, Well, she's allowed to do what she wants.

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Speaker 1: I know, but have you seen that?

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Speaker 7: Have you seen that sort of I have, but I'm

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Speaker 7: not going to be judgment.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well it ruins my day. You don't have

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Speaker 2: to look well, sometimes you can't help.

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Speaker 7: You can look away.

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Speaker 2: It covers so much territory on the horizon, she says. Inevitably,

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Speaker 2: there's always someone at the party who has to decover

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Speaker 2: publicly that there's slice is too large, and that the

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Speaker 2: person who's cutting the cake, almost invariably woman, must do

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Speaker 2: some disproportionate amount of labor to fill their need to

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Speaker 2: feel superior. I don't even follow all that. It's just

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Speaker 2: somebody wants a small slice of cake. That's all a

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Speaker 2: cake related fat phobic incident. It's called CRFI. Is that

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Speaker 2: moment when it's time to eat delicious cake and it's

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Speaker 2: interrupted by a moralizing impulse.

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Speaker 1: Wow?

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Speaker 2: Is this the same crowd that promotes food insecurity? Yes?

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Speaker 2: And the reason there's some people suffering from food insecurity

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Speaker 2: is this crowd is eating too much.

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Speaker 4: They ought to tell you, guys are mean.

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Speaker 1: All right, more coming up.

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Speaker 7: I can go on, I know you can.

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Speaker 2: But Tom Mcclicktock's going to be here next Debor Mark

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Speaker 2: live in the CAFI twenty for our newsroom. Hey, you've

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Speaker 2: been listening to The John Cobalt Show podcast. You can

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