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Speaker 3: And Mickey tell me why there are no football players
Speaker 3: on the football field here at the Star in Frisco An.
Speaker 3: It's a heavy work day.
Speaker 5: What are we doing because the foot ball field is hot.
Speaker 5: It's hot, and they're going indoors. The heat index is
Speaker 5: supposed to get close to one hundred today.
Speaker 4: The official temperature bill is ninety seven for the high today,
Speaker 4: not right now, but for the high today.
Speaker 3: The high is ninety seven. But they're on the field now.
Speaker 3: Now there are quarterbacks in the center. I will say this,
Speaker 3: the quarterbacks and the centers did brave the elements to
Speaker 3: come outside. Quarterback getting at the beginning of the practice.
Speaker 3: But everyone else is indoors inside Ford Center.
Speaker 5: So do you realize when they practice outside that is inside.
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right, yeah, okay, yeah, But taping the
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy show an hour ago, he said, it's certainly
Speaker 3: not his idea to be practicing inside, but he's gotten
Speaker 3: or from the medical staff that it would be a
Speaker 3: good idea to take him inside because of the heat.
Speaker 4: Maybe, So what what what would be the purpose? I'll say, Oh,
Speaker 4: I practice outside?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 3: Maybe because he says it's safer, It's safer on the grass.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, okay, I thought he.
Speaker 3: Said no, But he he doesn't care whether it's cold, hot, whatever.
Speaker 3: He wants to be outside unless it's you know, like
Speaker 3: high wind or something like that where you can't get
Speaker 3: anything done.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be nice, and it's gonna be nice and
Speaker 4: cool into a Sunday today.
Speaker 3: But it's a safety thing more than anything.
Speaker 5: Today is the main practice. They're in pasts, And maybe
Speaker 5: he didn't want like fifty eyeballs watching his practice too.
Speaker 3: By the way, well he didn't say that to me.
Speaker 5: Well off the record, I said it.
Speaker 3: Didn't say it to me either, Okay, if I was
Speaker 3: he didn't want the fifty media eyeballs. No, look, no, non,
Speaker 3: not like the ones that can watch outside from wherever. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's right, yeah, the building on the other side of
Speaker 3: the practice field even, yes, okay, so that means, uh, we're.
Speaker 5: That's me.
Speaker 3: You would never practice outside, No.
Speaker 5: I certainly you wouldn't. I like secrets. Well, can you
Speaker 5: tell me what happened out at the old practice field
Speaker 5: when you're the Redskins.
Speaker 4: But it's a little different now. I mean you don't
Speaker 4: have a days in sitting behind it.
Speaker 5: The days in was only two stories. That thing's twenty story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you only had a ten foot ten whatever
Speaker 2: the hell you want to call that fence.
Speaker 4: I mean you got to watch yeah, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 4: had to stand on top of the car.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: You didn't have to stand on the hood. You could
Speaker 4: just stand on the Yeah, not the top of the car.
Speaker 4: You could just stand on the hood. You didn't have
Speaker 4: to stand on the top of the car. The hood
Speaker 4: was enough. Let's not compare that old.
Speaker 2: Anything, even though withhold dear memories.
Speaker 4: Let's not compare that place to what we're talking about
Speaker 4: right now. I mean leaps and bounds away from where
Speaker 4: we were.
Speaker 2: Just God, okay, what.
Speaker 3: Would be your preference today, if you're a player today,
Speaker 3: would you rather be out there on the field practicing
Speaker 3: in what is right now ninety degrees or would you
Speaker 3: rather be indoors at fort Center on the turf.
Speaker 2: I'd rather be indoors.
Speaker 4: Okay, turf not so great about that, but yeah, I'd
Speaker 4: definitely rather be indoors with this heat. With this heat,
Speaker 4: I recall when Tom used to kill us on that
Speaker 4: old practice field, we lifting weights outdoors with no cover
Speaker 4: in the summer.
Speaker 2: Barefoot too. Yeah.
Speaker 4: You know when you compare that to how the forty
Speaker 4: nine ers at that time nineteen eighty, their practices were
Speaker 4: just like what you're having right now. Bill Walsh did
Speaker 4: not run his players to death. I recall that because
Speaker 4: at that time they were our major rivals of the eighties.
Speaker 4: Bill Walsh's practices were just the way these are right now.
Speaker 4: He was already ahead of the game in regards to
Speaker 4: resting his players and not overworking them. And of course
Speaker 4: you see how that turned out for them. Throughout the
Speaker 4: entire eighties.
Speaker 5: It was like play practice.
Speaker 4: They barely had full I don't recall them after training
Speaker 4: camp having a full pad workout.
Speaker 2: Most of the time they had showlder pads and.
Speaker 3: Shorts regular season workout, regular season, and at that time
Speaker 3: we were training camp.
Speaker 2: It was more full pad, but still it wasn't there.
Speaker 3: And then you were playing preseason games and play and
Speaker 3: the starters actually playing playing.
Speaker 4: Well, they would still be a little stingy with it.
Speaker 4: They give us a quarter, yeah, yeah, give us a quarter.
Speaker 4: So they were smart in that regard. I mean, it
Speaker 4: was one.
Speaker 2: Hundred and twenty five degrees Texas Stadium at night.
Speaker 3: But that's part of what we're dealing with when we're
Speaker 3: talking about September football. This is an extension of training
Speaker 3: camp basically, and because the starters aren't doing anything in
Speaker 3: you know, as far as tackling or anything.
Speaker 4: In the eighties, it was extended and we were still
Speaker 4: in full pads in full practice. It was still over
Speaker 4: one hundred degrees in September and we were still outdoors.
Speaker 4: Well we had no choice actually, because that's the only
Speaker 4: feel we had. And once again, the teams, like the Niners,
Speaker 4: who had coaches that were a little bit more sensical,
Speaker 4: they were they were happy to protect their players from themselves.
Speaker 3: They probably gave them water too, They probably.
Speaker 5: Not two ice tubes like we got in high.
Speaker 2: School or no one at all in high school.
Speaker 5: Right, wrestling practice that the coach would stand and we
Speaker 5: didn't have to run indoors. Right, it was cold, so
Speaker 5: we ran in the hallways and he would hide into
Speaker 5: I've done that done.
Speaker 3: There's a YouTube video of Vicky at wrestling practice.
Speaker 5: He would hide in doorways to the classrooms that were
Speaker 5: next to the outdoor the hallway fountains to make sure
Speaker 5: no one stopped to get any water. Wow, what are
Speaker 5: you talking about.
Speaker 3: No, I'm just I'm just picturing you. Just picturing you
Speaker 3: in high school at wrestling practice at.
Speaker 5: One hundred and twelve pounds. I bet I could take
Speaker 5: you down.
Speaker 2: I'll be good to angry child.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, don't you know it?
Speaker 5: With our little headsets on, so keep from califlowers.
Speaker 3: So yeah, you are those same helmets on the football
Speaker 3: field as there.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah there, No, that was level Oh man, that
Speaker 5: was leather. All right.
Speaker 3: Well, Mike McCarthy just had a press conference and we
Speaker 3: need to get to the news of what's going on here.
Speaker 5: So I got a bunch of guys and.
Speaker 3: What happened to ever since yesterday is Jordan Phillips went
Speaker 3: on injured reserve and they signed Carlos Watkins off the
Speaker 3: Washington practice squad to help shore up this.
Speaker 5: With a wrist injury. He's saying, I'm okay.
Speaker 2: So who's got the wrist injury?
Speaker 5: Phillips?
Speaker 2: Is that is that all it is?
Speaker 3: He's got a risk. Yeah, John's reserved with a wrist injury.
Speaker 3: He had a fractured wrist at the end of last year.
Speaker 3: I believe that surgery the same.
Speaker 5: And so, yeah, you gotta be careful when you're getting
Speaker 5: pushed backwards.
Speaker 4: Why do you keep blaming your defensive lineman for this
Speaker 4: this last fiasco.
Speaker 5: Because they were playing five yards beyond the line of
Speaker 5: scrimmage instead of over.
Speaker 4: I have to have to admit I saw some isolations
Speaker 4: the other day. I saw people getting driven back. It
Speaker 4: was embarrassing. I didn't even I was so mad about
Speaker 4: the secondary. Some big fellas getting driven back. It's like
Speaker 4: they just quit, they just quit doing the play. It
Speaker 4: was wow.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 4: I was very surprised, and I see where your disappointment
Speaker 4: came from from two days ago when we were talking
Speaker 4: about of course I knew the origin of our problems,
Speaker 4: but I was just trying to uh mitigate a little
Speaker 4: bit more right, just a little bit more.
Speaker 2: That's all.
Speaker 5: So, Uh, they've got a bunch of guys on the
Speaker 5: injury port. But he kind of downplayed Digs and CD
Speaker 5: uh not practicing. He felt like there was not of
Speaker 5: high concern.
Speaker 3: And what do they have.
Speaker 5: So Diggs has a foot and CD has an ankle, So.
Speaker 4: The foot on the same on the same leg. That's
Speaker 4: that's Digs Digs, same foot, same.
Speaker 5: Doesn't say left or right. But he said it was
Speaker 5: not of high concern. So I think they were just
Speaker 5: being cautious. Uh, And they had a bunch of other
Speaker 5: guys that were just getting rest that they normally get.
Speaker 5: That they were listed as limited. It was a step
Speaker 5: in the right direction that Jake Ferguson was limited and
Speaker 5: he said he should be good to go. They're good
Speaker 5: about that.
Speaker 3: But look at the defensive line.
Speaker 2: You're gonna have two ends in the game.
Speaker 5: But then there's Mazzie Smith who started to practice. But
Speaker 5: my understanding when everybody was watching, he left.
Speaker 3: He's was listed as d n P right now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so he didn't really do anything. Uh, it's a
Speaker 5: back issue and they were going to continue to check
Speaker 5: it out today and see where he's at. So so
Speaker 5: if you don't have Phillips.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's look at that depth chart on the defense,
Speaker 3: you don't.
Speaker 5: Have Mazzie Smith. One of the reason I would imagine
Speaker 5: they signed Carlos Watkins off of Washington's practice squad is
Speaker 5: he's been at least practicing.
Speaker 3: He did get elevated last week. He had three snaps
Speaker 3: in last week's game for Washington.
Speaker 5: Yeah, somebody said he didn't play, and I thought I
Speaker 5: saw on his little playing reference bio that he played.
Speaker 3: He was He was not signed in the off season,
Speaker 3: and he's thirty one years old now, but he was
Speaker 3: with Arizona last year second game of the year. Last
Speaker 3: year he tours biceps and had biceps surgery, so he
Speaker 3: was coming off of that, and that's why he did
Speaker 3: not sign in the spring and wasn't signed until training
Speaker 3: camp in Washington, and why he's on the practice squad
Speaker 3: to start the season. So maybe there is hope there
Speaker 3: that he is fully healed and recovered.
Speaker 5: And should be ready to go.
Speaker 3: And he was here for a couple of years and
Speaker 3: twenty one time too, I remember.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but go ahead with your depth chart. Yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 5: So if you're including him, and you're including Lynnville Joseph Osa.
Speaker 5: We know he's playing, But the nose tackle dude, much
Speaker 5: not there, not much there?
Speaker 2: Who's the beat righting for the cowboy? He might get
Speaker 2: it right, I don't know. The nose tackle dude.
Speaker 3: Well, the nose tackled dude would be Lynnville Joseph right now, right.
Speaker 5: And then look at the practice squad. Phil Hoskins, yeah,
Speaker 5: big boy, and Denzel Dexon right.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Denzel Dexon.
Speaker 5: So if you're looking for big bodies, that's where you
Speaker 5: would have to go. But Watkins not small.
Speaker 3: He's three.
Speaker 5: I think they listed them at three point fifteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's not small.
Speaker 5: So about the size of Baltimore's.
Speaker 3: Fullback, that's right, four time Pro Bowl fullback Patrick Ricard.
Speaker 5: God, he's like five hundred pounds.
Speaker 3: He's three hundred. He's listed at three hundred, and that's
Speaker 3: about what he is. He looks like that's what he is.
Speaker 2: Did you say five hundred pounds?
Speaker 5: I was joking to exaggerate. How he's sixty three three hundred, yeah,
Speaker 5: thirty years old. So we're talking a grown man there, yep.
Speaker 3: Who was a defensive lineman in college and then they
Speaker 3: converted him into a fullback and he's he's like lining
Speaker 3: up another offensive lineman in the backfield in front of
Speaker 3: a two hundred and fifty pound running back Derrick Henry.
Speaker 3: So about their jumbo package, man, I mean, and their
Speaker 3: jumbo package they run at every play.
Speaker 4: I'd love to hear I know, I love to hear
Speaker 4: Nate's take on the offensive line and the splits and
Speaker 4: how the Cowboys are going to try and effectively handle
Speaker 4: mm hmm.
Speaker 3: That I'll tell you what I was. All Right, do
Speaker 3: you have anything more? Do you want to say on
Speaker 3: the injury eight on stuff? And then we get into this.
Speaker 5: No, but they've got they've got a couple.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 5: Kyle Hamilton, they're starting safety, did not practice with a back.
Speaker 3: The guy that I'm interested in is Nate Wiggins, who
Speaker 3: is their top draft pick at cornerback. Didn't play last week.
Speaker 3: He had a concussion and missed last week. And I
Speaker 3: think when you look at them and their secondary, they're
Speaker 3: playing Kyle Hamilton as a slot corner and he's a
Speaker 3: taller guy, six or four guy playing the slot whatever.
Speaker 3: And so ideally the way the makeup of their secondary
Speaker 3: is they want Nate Wiggins, who is he ran a
Speaker 3: four two eight and he's a play he's a baller
Speaker 3: and Clemson and he and he was he played the
Speaker 3: first game and got knocked out and literally had a concussion.
Speaker 3: And so they're playing Brandon Stevens at one corner at
Speaker 3: s m U DeVante Adams had some catches against Tim
Speaker 3: last week and at the Marlon Humphrey their other corner.
Speaker 3: And if you've got Wiggins, then Humphrey can go can
Speaker 3: go inside and play the slot. And they've got a
Speaker 3: couple of other safeties. Eddie Jackson is a guy that
Speaker 3: they signed. You know, they led the league in takeaways
Speaker 3: last year, and they led the league in sacks last
Speaker 3: year also, and they led the league in run defense.
Speaker 3: That's how their defensive coordinator got that Seattle job, Mike McDonald. So,
Speaker 3: do you know who their defensive coordinator out of DeSoto, Texas,
Speaker 3: Zach Orr. Do you know remember you remember Terry Orr?
Speaker 2: Yes? I do remember his son, Way That's amazing.
Speaker 3: Terry Orr, who out of Abilene, who was running back
Speaker 3: in high school and went to Texas as a running
Speaker 3: back and then he played tight end for Washington in
Speaker 3: the NFL during your back in your day, I think
Speaker 3: four kids maybe three or four who played college football,
Speaker 3: and Zach Orr was one of them. And Zack played
Speaker 3: at North Texas and then he didn't get recruited to
Speaker 3: a larger school, probably because of his height. He's only
Speaker 3: five to eleven and seven eighths or.
Speaker 2: Something like that, Toxas.
Speaker 3: But anyway, and so then he went to the Ravens
Speaker 3: out of college and was starting for the Ravens in
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen at middle linebacker and had and led them
Speaker 3: in tackles that year. And then was discovered going into
Speaker 3: twenty seventeen that he had a spine spinal condition, congenital defect,
Speaker 3: and he had to retire from.
Speaker 5: Football, and so then he startarted coaching.
Speaker 3: He started coaching, and in seven years he's he's at
Speaker 3: age thirty two. He's a defensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: Yeahssed.
Speaker 5: So they also have a guy that's out with a
Speaker 5: non injury personal reason. H la oh lou. I'll let
Speaker 5: you do the first two names.
Speaker 3: Where is he? Let me see, la olu.
Speaker 2: I got to work this one out.
Speaker 3: Malayas salah oh mave lo. There you go, man, he's
Speaker 3: an offensive guard.
Speaker 2: Did you start all over? So there?
Speaker 4: Well, you know one thing about that It's good to
Speaker 4: see some other teams having problems in some key positions
Speaker 4: because that secondary can be exploited obviously.
Speaker 2: Well, and then they're gonna have to do a lot
Speaker 2: to overcome and try to come up with.
Speaker 3: These guys are the three safeties that are playing for
Speaker 3: them when they're in their nickel. It's Kyle Hamilton's playing
Speaker 3: the slot, and then Marcus Williams and Eddie Jackson. Nate.
Speaker 3: Nate first, go what's he up to?
Speaker 5: Trying to call and see if my phone?
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Speaker 5: I know how to turn You couldn't figure it out?
Speaker 2: How days ago?
Speaker 5: I was trying to hurry and turn the volume.
Speaker 3: Down, okay, and you couldn't figure it out.
Speaker 2: No, No, he just tried.
Speaker 3: Now you figured it out.
Speaker 5: Continue and let it vibrate.
Speaker 2: Right all right?
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Speaker 3: much confidence about this game until I look deeper into
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Speaker 5: I love it. So it was the question yesterday about
Speaker 5: the emotional outbursts that you didn't like.
Speaker 3: What was it about the emotional outburst? It's like this
Speaker 3: question at McCarthy's press conference yesterday. Yeah, And Mickey was
Speaker 3: saying that if he had to field some of these questions,
Speaker 3: he would be Greg Popovich.
Speaker 5: And I understand. It wasn't any relationship to the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: It was just like, in general, how do you handle
Speaker 3: like a.
Speaker 5: Player and gets real emotional and you have a little
Speaker 5: outburst on the sideline. Do you like that or do
Speaker 5: you rather no emotion on the sideline? And I think
Speaker 5: Mike said, who wants the sidelines pretty sacred and usually
Speaker 5: what happens on the sideline stays on the side. Something
Speaker 5: people would be astounded what they would hear what goes
Speaker 5: on on the headsets between the coaches during the game,
Speaker 5: they would just shocked. And it ain't like NASCAR, right
Speaker 5: because NASCAR will play that during the races. You don't
Speaker 5: want to hear what the coaches.
Speaker 2: Have to say.
Speaker 4: Well, sometimes when they isolated on them on like Thursday night,
Speaker 4: Monday night whatever, football, and they isolated on the defensive
Speaker 4: offensive coordinator who's.
Speaker 2: In the booth, you can read their lips when they're
Speaker 2: pissed off. You can read their lips.
Speaker 4: I mean this, You can pretty much imagine what's going on,
Speaker 4: and you wouldn't be as shocked as what you just saw.
Speaker 2: I mean I could. They had one guy on Monday
Speaker 2: night football.
Speaker 4: I forgot what happened, and they messed up to play
Speaker 4: and here, Okay, I'll never forget.
Speaker 3: It doesn't happen normal workplaces.
Speaker 5: Well I thought it did because it happened in the newspapers.
Speaker 5: I guarantee in the newsroom.
Speaker 2: It's happened here, Mickey on your show. That's what I'm
Speaker 2: talking about. That's what I'm talking about. We won't go
Speaker 2: over that. I just love talking about. Thank God for that.
Speaker 2: I'm here now, so I got amen. I remember.
Speaker 5: For some reason. The Cowboys were playing at the Giants,
Speaker 5: by the way, and we're in the press pots, and
Speaker 5: all of a sudden we could hear the headset from
Speaker 5: it was Norv Turner and it was coming through the
Speaker 5: ventilation right and and the Cowboys had the ball. Troy's
Speaker 5: taking a snap right, and he just got the snap,
Speaker 5: and Norv is screaming, throll.
Speaker 3: You such and such a throw it, throw it right,
Speaker 3: and it's like, well, let him hit his back you
Speaker 3: can see it up.
Speaker 5: Here, right, And he finally hit his back foot and
Speaker 5: throws the Michael that it was.
Speaker 2: Looking at.
Speaker 5: One kid was screaming like Troy, Troy, could hear him right?
Speaker 5: Or or the time where the Cowboys gave up the
Speaker 5: lead against the Vikings and it was going to go
Speaker 5: into overtime and Campo said something about the coin toss, like, oh,
Speaker 5: by aching you can fill in the blank, we gotta
Speaker 5: win the toss.
Speaker 2: I can hear.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, Well, what kind of questions you said? You
Speaker 4: want to repeat the question that you said?
Speaker 3: Okay, no, he don't remember.
Speaker 5: He wanted to dive into Baldemar, but he was just
Speaker 5: another question that asked later and maybe one I didn't
Speaker 5: like put the.
Speaker 3: Little Yeah, there wasn't one that you would take notes about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was like, oh.
Speaker 4: Just so you know, instead of being like Papa Bis,
Speaker 4: just be like Belichick man.
Speaker 5: And say nothing and yeah, he's just got this. Nobody's
Speaker 5: shocked how good he is on he was on the
Speaker 5: Manning cast, and how how good he was talking about
Speaker 5: what was going on in the game. It's all by design.
Speaker 4: Well, now, of course people in the game they know, yeah,
Speaker 4: how articulately he is.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, for those yeah, those fans, they don't know.
Speaker 3: Okay, when you think of Cowboys versus Ravens, what do
Speaker 3: you think of the history of the series.
Speaker 5: How well the Ravens have run the ball against the
Speaker 5: Cowboys and they've dominated him on the ground.
Speaker 3: What is there anything in any moment in particular that
Speaker 3: you recall that sticks out in your mind more than
Speaker 3: any other. Just in fact, the Cowboys, by the way,
Speaker 3: are one in five versus the Ravens. The last twenty
Speaker 3: four years since the Ravens came into existence.
Speaker 5: Was it was it when they ran for three hundred
Speaker 5: yards against the Cowboys?
Speaker 3: Well, that was the last meeting in two hundred and
Speaker 3: ninety four yards. No, I was three hundred and six yards.
Speaker 3: That was the twenty twenty season.
Speaker 5: Last game was Texas Stadium.
Speaker 3: No okay, no okay. So that's what, right, that's what
Speaker 3: it sticks out in my mind. Yes, it wasn't their
Speaker 3: total number of rushing yards, but it's the last game
Speaker 3: ever played at Texas Stadium. It's a celebration moment for
Speaker 3: this organization. And it came down to the fourth quarter
Speaker 3: and with I don't have the details in front of me,
Speaker 3: but with three minutes left in the game, Willis McGahee
Speaker 3: goes seventy seven yards for a touchdown and then with
Speaker 3: a minute eighteen left in the game. It was a
Speaker 3: tight game, one score game, and believe it was Larn
Speaker 3: McLain went eighty two yards for a touchdown. Back to
Speaker 3: back series for the Ravens. They went at a seven
Speaker 3: seven yard touchdown run in an eighty two yard touchdown run.
Speaker 2: I was at that game.
Speaker 4: I was too my daughter, and after the game they
Speaker 4: had the celebration right right, and they invited the guys
Speaker 4: up there.
Speaker 2: At the time.
Speaker 3: I was at the game in my role at that
Speaker 3: game actually was on the public address system. I was
Speaker 3: down on the sideline and during timeouts I would interview
Speaker 3: at Everson Walls or former Cowboy players that were on
Speaker 3: the sideline. That was how celebratory the moment was. And
Speaker 3: the Ravens just made it a.
Speaker 5: So I recall and beat him were thirty three twenty four.
Speaker 4: That's okay, I recall, if I'm not mistaken, we could
Speaker 4: not get the ball to Too.
Speaker 2: We could not get the I'm.
Speaker 3: Gonna think he had one touchdown in that game we had.
Speaker 2: We kept going deep, we kept going deep to.
Speaker 4: Him, and we won the sideline and you could just
Speaker 4: see the frustration between Romo and Too, and I don't
Speaker 4: think that did well for their relationship at all.
Speaker 5: Maybe that's because Romo and Witten were drawn up play
Speaker 5: in the dirt, leaving him out of the secret.
Speaker 2: The secret drawing.
Speaker 5: She's the things that comes up around this team. It's believable.
Speaker 3: Okay. So, So the one time the Cowboys did beat
Speaker 3: the Ravens was in twenty sixteen DA's rookie season. Now,
Speaker 3: the Ravens were down that year. They had finished with
Speaker 3: a five hundred record, and they were coming.
Speaker 2: Off was this pre Jackson?
Speaker 3: It was Flacco? Yeah, but okay, so and coming off
Speaker 3: the only losing record, John right. I think they went
Speaker 3: five and eleven, maybe the year before twenty fifteen, and
Speaker 3: and then Lamar Jackson came after that and the rest they
Speaker 3: say is history. So here it is Lamar Jackson's playing
Speaker 3: his first game at at and T Stadium.
Speaker 5: Oh very good.
Speaker 3: And so I'm thinking this is this seems like such
Speaker 3: a bad matchup for the Cowboys just because of what
Speaker 3: the Ravens do. The Ravens known for their rush offense.
Speaker 5: And regardless of what happened to the Cowboys against the
Speaker 5: Saints running the right, the Ravens knew in June what
Speaker 5: they were going to write.
Speaker 3: And and and you know they signed Derrick Henry in
Speaker 3: the off season. And okay, so this is no one.
Speaker 3: And in fact, when the schedule came out, this is
Speaker 3: of the first four games, this is the one that
Speaker 3: I had most concerned about, even though it was at home,
Speaker 3: just because of the matchup the Ravens. Having said all that,
Speaker 3: then last night I go and look at the Ravens
Speaker 3: game against the Raiders last week, and I'm going, hmmm,
Speaker 3: I think I came out of that thinking the Cowboys
Speaker 3: have a good chance of winning this.
Speaker 5: Game because because they're let mean, guess their defense.
Speaker 3: It because of their offensive line. Oh okay, they're replacing
Speaker 3: guys in their offensive line. There's a reason that they're
Speaker 3: owing too now. They almost beat Kansas City. They were
Speaker 3: a toe tap away from in a two point conversion
Speaker 3: away from beating Kansas City. But they shouldn't be losing
Speaker 3: to the We saw those Raiders starters through a quarter
Speaker 3: and a half in the preseason with Gardner Minshew at quarterback.
Speaker 3: They should not be losing at home to the Raiders
Speaker 3: unless they got some issues going on. And I think
Speaker 3: they've got some issues going on well.
Speaker 2: In order to.
Speaker 4: Stay with the Ravens. Of course, you have to handle
Speaker 4: the offensive line and winning game, as you talked about,
Speaker 4: and I did notice both games they didn't really run
Speaker 4: Derrick Henry as much as I thought they.
Speaker 3: Would well, especially the first half of that game. Yeah,
Speaker 3: first half of the and the end of the game.
Speaker 3: First half of the game, he had I wrote it
Speaker 3: down somewhere, he had this was the Ravens rush offense.
Speaker 3: The first half. It was a nine to six game.
Speaker 3: At halftime, Ravens were ahead, and in the first half
Speaker 3: Henry had seven carries for five yards, and Justice Hill,
Speaker 3: their backup, had two carries for three yards and Lamar
Speaker 3: had one carry for three yards.
Speaker 2: And I was wondering as I watched the game, where
Speaker 2: is this.
Speaker 3: So the first half of that game rushing, they had
Speaker 3: ten carries for eleven yards. Now in the second half,
Speaker 3: Henry had seventy nine yards on eleven carries, Justice Hill
Speaker 3: had nineteen yards on two carries, and Lamar had forty
Speaker 3: two yards on face kept him in the game, and
Speaker 3: so they wound up going in the second half seventeen
Speaker 3: carries one hundred and forty yards. They became the Ravens again.
Speaker 3: But then they had a ten point lead with ten
Speaker 3: minutes left in the game, and for some reason they
Speaker 3: didn't hand off the ball to Derrek Henry. It was
Speaker 3: basically a third quarter deal.
Speaker 2: Where the Top did last week.
Speaker 3: This past week against the Raiders.
Speaker 4: The first game was worse. Okay, the first game was worse.
Speaker 4: He had even less productivity in the first game. And
Speaker 4: I was very surprised about that because I.
Speaker 3: Had thirteen carries for forty six yards in a touchdown
Speaker 3: against the Chief.
Speaker 5: Says here, he's had thirty one for the season in
Speaker 5: two games.
Speaker 4: I don't understand because they are It's not like they
Speaker 4: haven't been in the games. They've always been close. So
Speaker 4: that's the moment that you use someone.
Speaker 3: Like that, especially when you got a ten point lead
Speaker 3: against the Raiders at home, you get the ball back
Speaker 3: with eight minutes left in the game. That's where you
Speaker 3: are running the heck out of it.
Speaker 2: Is this some thing with Jackson numbers. I don't understand it.
Speaker 2: I don't not make any sense to that.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Blessing with hallball. That's his style, that's what he does, yep.
Speaker 3: And that's how they got that lead on him in
Speaker 3: the third quarter of the game. The other day is
Speaker 3: they started using Henry Maybe the learned their lesson. But
Speaker 3: on their offensive line now, their centers good Tyler Linderbaum
Speaker 3: first round pick. Their left tackle Ronnie Stanley is a
Speaker 3: first round pick. They've got a seventh rounder playing it
Speaker 3: left guard, and they've got at right guard Daniel Falalle
Speaker 3: three hundred and eighty pounds now.
Speaker 5: We weigh yes, yes.
Speaker 3: He's three hundred eighty pounds. He was a fourth round
Speaker 3: draft pick, was a tackle I think in college, and
Speaker 3: they moved him inside now to guard. And but at
Speaker 3: right tackle they've got Patrick mckerry, who is a kind
Speaker 3: of a jack of all trades on the offensive line,
Speaker 3: who is a college free agent coming out of cal
Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen. He's starting at right tackle, and he's smaller.
Speaker 3: He is a bridge before for their rookie Roger Rosengarten,
Speaker 3: who was their second round draft pick, number sixty two
Speaker 3: overall pick so to out of Washington. He is projected
Speaker 3: to be their starting right tackle, and he is playing snaps,
Speaker 3: but he's it's playing. He's playing like every third series,
Speaker 3: and so mcarry is the guy that's playing right now.
Speaker 3: At some point they're going to turn it over to Rosengarten,
Speaker 3: but he's not ready apparently yet.
Speaker 4: So you've got a look at their defense as well,
Speaker 4: because they really haven't been able to stop those teams
Speaker 4: when they need to. They've controlled them the game, but
Speaker 4: the offense has put so much pressure on them. Sometimes
Speaker 4: you can see that defense get a little exhausted, and
Speaker 4: they have been kind of in achilles heel, especially at
Speaker 4: the end of the game.
Speaker 2: You let Minshew.
Speaker 4: Drive the ball down the field on you when you
Speaker 4: got to have it. That doesn't sound that they were going.
Speaker 3: He was going to Adams and Adams and at times
Speaker 3: wasn't really open against Brandon Stevens, but minshe was putting
Speaker 3: it on him, and of course Tay Adams is doing
Speaker 3: what he does, you know, and made some great catches
Speaker 3: and they were able and in fact, on the touchdown
Speaker 3: that tied the game at twenty three, it was a playfake.
Speaker 3: They finally did run the They weren't able to run
Speaker 3: the ball at all against the Ravens throughout the game,
Speaker 3: and finally fourth quarter they were able to get some
Speaker 3: positive places. It's right, Ravens, that's right. And part of
Speaker 3: that is because the offense wasn't wasn't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's that's team game. That's what you love football.
Speaker 4: It's a team game.
Speaker 5: Last year they finished with fifty eight sacks on defense.
Speaker 5: They've got seven right now, and.
Speaker 3: Five of them came in that game, in the Raider.
Speaker 5: Game, the Raider game, right, So they didn't do much
Speaker 5: against Kansas City. And in the Raider game, see if
Speaker 5: I can say it, right, Odaffy Away, their outside linebacker
Speaker 5: in his fourth year, had two and a half sacks.
Speaker 5: This is the first time he had multiple sacks in
Speaker 5: a game. So they were like, oh, he's.
Speaker 3: He had a sack on the first play of the
Speaker 3: game and on about the eighth player the right. He
Speaker 3: had two of those sacks in the first quarter.
Speaker 5: And van Ney has two sacks. He had nine last year.
Speaker 5: And then nom the mad BK.
Speaker 3: How about that out McKinny North High School in Texas,
Speaker 3: A and m we had thirteen thirteen sacks last year. Yeah,
Speaker 3: yeah he was last year he was justin half a sack.
Speaker 3: Now last year he was justin madobee k and now
Speaker 3: he's nom de mattabe K. So I haven't looked.
Speaker 5: Up cult, but see, and a lot of a bunch
Speaker 5: of their sacks last year were with David Clowney and.
Speaker 3: Yeah he's got he had nine and a half sacks
Speaker 3: last year and Vanoi had a career high nine sacks
Speaker 3: last year.
Speaker 5: So they were pretty good. But the first couple of
Speaker 5: games they've kind of struggled putting pressure on opposing quarterbacks.
Speaker 5: So I saw that, and you know, and then they're
Speaker 5: like number one stopping to run. But they're thirty second
Speaker 5: against the past, and I'm wondering, so if you can't
Speaker 5: run at them, then everybody just resorts throwing the ball.
Speaker 5: They get a bunch of yarns, but who knows.
Speaker 2: They may well and once again he did in the secondary. Right,
Speaker 2: you just talked and talk about the entries in there.
Speaker 3: They've got Nate Wiggins is hurt. Yeah, they're rookie corner,
Speaker 3: first round pick.
Speaker 2: Well we'll check out their depth, see how good it is.
Speaker 3: That's right, and uh, because what made me notice it
Speaker 3: one of the corners had to leave and they brought
Speaker 3: in Jalen armor Davis fourth round pick from a couple
Speaker 3: of years ago for a player or two against the Raiders.
Speaker 2: So that's what they're probably doing the last drive.
Speaker 5: Jay Light armored Davis and he didn't practice yesterday for
Speaker 5: personal reasons. Okay, and Wiggins is out with the concussion
Speaker 5: at this point.
Speaker 3: So so anyway, I think after looking at the Raider
Speaker 3: at the Ravens, I have renewed hope that the Cowboys
Speaker 3: might be able to do something on Sunday.
Speaker 5: Just just tell the committee to go sit down and
Speaker 5: throw the football four wide receivers. Did you see they
Speaker 5: used four wide receivers.
Speaker 3: Uh? Well they did because Schoonmaker only had twenty eight snaps. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, he's your starting tight end and he was
Speaker 3: the guy that And in fact, I was preparing to
Speaker 3: interview the coach for the Coaches Show, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna ask about Schoonmaker because you know, he got
Speaker 3: the full load. And then I looked up the snaps.
Speaker 3: I waited, he only had twenty eight snaps.
Speaker 5: And you know what, And and I thought I saw
Speaker 5: loop Key out there a lot. Yeah, I think he
Speaker 5: only had ten.
Speaker 3: I think he had ten.
Speaker 5: Ye, maybe it was early. And then they got behind,
Speaker 5: and it was like.
Speaker 4: Once you get behind your game plan, the usually down
Speaker 4: by two scores, it goes out the window.
Speaker 3: But even with that, when when you got three wide
Speaker 3: receivers on the field, you usually have a tight end. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but not if it's not Jake Ferguson. You want to
Speaker 3: They went with four whiteouts because you want your best
Speaker 3: receiving targets and Schoomaker's which, by the way, we'll get
Speaker 3: into that when we come back here in a moment
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Speaker 3: Can you run down those teams again and then tell
Speaker 3: me w's and l's.
Speaker 4: Eagles W, Giants, W, Commanders, W. Ravens. I'm gonna skip that,
Speaker 4: Lions W. Texans, Man, Bengals man, and Bucks.
Speaker 2: That's gonna be a grudge game there.
Speaker 3: Well the Bucks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Baker making Baker, Yeah, Baker wants to.
Speaker 3: Its just Baker want was every everybody he plays.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he's always he's got he owes them something.
Speaker 3: It's so far, he's so so good for him first
Speaker 3: well of the year.
Speaker 2: I do like him. I must admit I like his
Speaker 2: uh moxy gumption.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what. I like that he stood up
Speaker 5: for Bryce Young came I didn't see that. He came
Speaker 5: out and said, you know, sometimes the quarterback has to
Speaker 5: be not only get the right opportunity, but in the
Speaker 5: right situation.
Speaker 3: Well, he's been there before, He's been at Carolina.
Speaker 5: And that's what and that's what he was pointing out.
Speaker 3: And the off and the head coach was his offensive coordinator.
Speaker 5: And Alys was at where did he go after Baker?
Speaker 3: Baker started went to Cleveland first, the first pick, and
Speaker 3: then he went to Carolina and then he went to
Speaker 3: the Rams, and he showed up on Tuesday in one
Speaker 3: game on Thursday, and that got him the opportunity at
Speaker 3: Tampa Bay and now.
Speaker 5: He's got a three year and he was saying, sometimes
Speaker 5: a young quarterback just needs to take a break and
Speaker 5: look at it. You know, not everybody's born ready just
Speaker 5: because you're the first picking and.
Speaker 2: Something if you're on a bad.
Speaker 5: Team, and he pointed it out the reason he was
Speaker 5: the first pick in the draft by them was because
Speaker 5: they were.
Speaker 11: Bad and they still good for him to and by
Speaker 11: the way, they also gave up future picks in order
Speaker 11: to move up to take him, and so they're not
Speaker 11: adding to the team either.
Speaker 3: So all right. Uh September Football September coach talked about
Speaker 3: this as it relates to practice and what's this is
Speaker 3: sort of an extension of training camp for the team
Speaker 3: out on the practice field this month and you take
Speaker 3: the mistakes that you make on Sunday and you tried
Speaker 3: to lay a foundation for the rest of the season
Speaker 3: that you hope will turn into future wins by correcting
Speaker 3: those mistakes and taking the time. And one of the
Speaker 3: points of emphasis yesterday at practice, the coach said was
Speaker 3: route running. And I would assume that was on the
Speaker 3: heels of the Jalen Brooks slip and the interception.
Speaker 2: And then the and the c.
Speaker 5: Who I think CD was just talking to guys. And
Speaker 5: then you don't know that he meant to get quoted
Speaker 5: by it. Somebody used it that he was saying he
Speaker 5: made the wrong move on the past that dacked through
Speaker 5: and the it was on him. It was yeah, but
Speaker 5: but you're right. And so I've already sort of written
Speaker 5: this for my column for tomorrow. But I was saying,
Speaker 5: you know, because Mike kept talking about September football, and
Speaker 5: my point was, well, it's because you don't play football
Speaker 5: in May and June, and you don't play football in August,
Speaker 5: so now you get September, and there's a lot of
Speaker 5: kind of football unknown, right, And and I said it
Speaker 5: on the podcast and it's like, yeah, it's like that
Speaker 5: song what does it see you in September? Something like that,
Speaker 5: And I looked it up. It was the Happenings that
Speaker 5: that it said the lyrics go but it was it
Speaker 5: was not I'm not, I'm not, it was it was
Speaker 5: it was talking about being alone and not being being
Speaker 5: by yourself, and we'll see you in September. It's a
Speaker 5: love song, right right, And it made me think of college. Right,
Speaker 5: you go home and then it's like, you come back
Speaker 5: to college and I'll see you in September.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: But anyway, so football sees you in September.
Speaker 3: Real football, real, and that's why you have in September
Speaker 3: the surprises too. You have a weekend where the Niners, Lions, Cowboys, Eagles,
Speaker 3: what other nfcroll and those are.
Speaker 5: All of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, my thing is, we talk about it, it's a
Speaker 4: long season. These two games, they are not nearly indicative
Speaker 4: of what we're going to see at the end of
Speaker 4: the season. This may be it won't even be indicative
Speaker 4: of what we see at the midpoint of the season.
Speaker 4: Everything's going to be different by the time we get there.
Speaker 4: And my thing is, you have to coach in that manner,
Speaker 4: in other words, when you know that you have got
Speaker 4: a deficit. Of course, ours is the running game and
Speaker 4: consistent scoring. Offensively, we need to make sure get the
Speaker 4: routes run, run correctly, get on the same page with
Speaker 4: the QB and make sure that we have better recognition
Speaker 4: when it comes to the run. We just have to
Speaker 4: improve on that. Otherwise this season is going to be
Speaker 4: a long season. You have to coach and believe that
Speaker 4: you will get better as the season goes on. And
Speaker 4: if you don't, then what the hell was the entire
Speaker 4: offseason training camp for.
Speaker 5: Well, and and think about the number of young players
Speaker 5: they're counting on. You would hope just what you said
Speaker 5: you get better. Right, But as I said yesterday, when
Speaker 5: you you said about the W and L's, if you
Speaker 5: did that when the schedule came out, what do you
Speaker 5: think you had the Cowboys W and L's at after
Speaker 5: three games? Probably one and two, right, gonna lose the
Speaker 5: Cleveland gonna lose the ball. Hey, and everybody's worried about
Speaker 5: getting off to a fast start. Well, you're one and
Speaker 5: one man.
Speaker 3: You better take care of business this coming week because
Speaker 3: there's two games in a span of five days starting Sunday.
Speaker 3: By a week from tomorrow, we're gonna know a heck
Speaker 3: of a lot more about this team and they better
Speaker 3: not be one and three a week from tomorrow.
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