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Speaker 2: Hello, Welcome to another episode of Club Shay Shape. I

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Speaker 2: am your host, Shennon Sharp. I'm also the propriud of

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Speaker 2: Club Sha Shade. The guy that's stopping by for conversation

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Speaker 2: and a drink today.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: He's a legend, the most successful and strongest bodybuilder of

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Speaker 2: all time. He won twenty six IBIFBB professional titles. He

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Speaker 2: won the Mister Olympia eight times in a row. Richard's

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Speaker 2: a retired Lee Haines record for the most Olympia victories.

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Speaker 2: He's the first man to win the Arnold Classic and

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Speaker 2: the Olympia title in the same season.

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Speaker 3: I happen to be at that two thousand and one

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Speaker 3: Arnold Classic.

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Speaker 2: He's considered by many to be the greatest bodybuilder of

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Speaker 2: all time, A considered his his He's a member of

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Speaker 2: the International Sports Hall of Fame, he received the honor

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Speaker 2: Classic Lifetime Achievement Award and inspiration to many walk in

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Speaker 2: the world lightweight Baby yeah, buddy, the King, the icon.

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Speaker 3: Here he is Ronnie Coleman, Roddy, how you doing man.

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Speaker 2: As man in a little while, Bro, we go back

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Speaker 2: a long way because I remember when you came back

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Speaker 2: in the late nineties. Used to come back to rope

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Speaker 2: who used to train me? Rope Man guest pose at

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Speaker 2: it as it shows. So we come you. You've come

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Speaker 2: a long way. I've come a long way, Bro, I

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Speaker 2: got my own Kanye. This is my Kanye shaved by Laportier.

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Speaker 3: Oh cool.

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Speaker 2: And I want to toast your career the most unbelievable

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Speaker 2: professional bodybuilding career ever.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. That's a little bro. Growing up you're from Louisiana.

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Speaker 2: Yep, Barney raised the Louisiana So growing up, obviously you work.

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Speaker 2: You probably worked on a farm or farml like labor.

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Speaker 3: Yes, sure, I sure did. Shopping that okay. So what

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Speaker 3: did Runne Coban want to be when he was a kid.

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Speaker 4: I wanted to be a professional football player, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 4: and I played high school, junior high college, didn't make

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Speaker 2: So you grow up, so you played also, you play football,

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Speaker 2: you played basketball, You just mainly played football.

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Speaker 4: I mainly played football. I didn't play basketball. I did

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Speaker 4: a little track also, but football was my thing.

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Speaker 3: Right, Okay, so you go to so you went to Grambling. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: GSU played.

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Speaker 2: For the legendary coach rob Eddie Robinson. What was that experience?

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Speaker 3: Like? Man, it was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we had the greatest time of all had

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Speaker 4: the greatest coach of all time, Edi robb and we

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Speaker 4: lived the jayas fun life. And it was real hectic

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Speaker 4: rob especially when he broke that record.

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Speaker 4: But it was probably the greatest time of my life,

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Speaker 4: greatest experience of my life, for sure. I often want

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Speaker 4: to go back to those days, but you know how

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Speaker 4: that is. But that was the greatest time of my

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Speaker 3: So you you.

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Speaker 2: Mentioned like growing up you wanted to play professional football.

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Speaker 2: You got a college scholarship to go GSU. But I

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Speaker 2: heard you injured your neck. Was that probably the main

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Speaker 3: Or was it ability? Well?

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Speaker 4: I had a lot of injuries, but first of all,

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Speaker 4: But I initially I hurt my back real bad, real bad.

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Speaker 4: Nobody could find out anything wrong. But the chiropractor said, uh,

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Speaker 4: I mean it it never went away, and uh, when

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Speaker 4: real heavy. In two thousand and one, I there lifted

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Speaker 2: Do you think about what could have been had you

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Speaker 3: Like, could you believe you could have.

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Speaker 2: Squatted excess of nine hundred one thousand pounds, had left

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Speaker 3: Have those thoughts ever gone through your mind?

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Speaker 2: Like, Man, if I'd never had these injuries, I only

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Speaker 3: Yeah, every single day.

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Speaker 4: I still regret not deadlifted that eight hundred more than

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Speaker 3: It was just that light.

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Speaker 4: So all so I'm like, I'm not gonna tempt fade again.

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Speaker 4: I'll just load up the leg press and try to

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Speaker 4: I litted up with twenty three hundred pounds.

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Speaker 3: Well, you couldn't put it the more weight on it, right,

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Speaker 2: But you were power You also were a power You

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Speaker 2: started out as a powerlift.

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Speaker 4: I started powerlifting in high school and we would go

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Speaker 4: I said, I did pretty good. When I came out

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Speaker 3: Got to college. And got to college.

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Speaker 2: Right, So were you Did you lift a lot in college?

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Speaker 2: I mean, what was your weight program?

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Speaker 3: Was weightlifted always one of your passions?

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Speaker 2: And now all of a sudden, you can start to

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Speaker 2: see you get muscle definition, you start to get peaks

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Speaker 2: on the bicep yep, and now all of a sudden

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Speaker 3: You were from that point on, You was hooked from

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you were talking, we were talking early off set

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Speaker 2: that you had some odd jobs. I think you said

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: So I'm like, you know what, this thing with the

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Speaker 4: I always got some bad crooks out there, uh, trying

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Speaker 2: Delivering pizzas. Did you deliver more than you ate? Or

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Speaker 4: But I ate pizza every single day, sometimes twice a day.

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Speaker 4: And and now do you like peapa?

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Speaker 4: So there was a Kentucky Fried Chicken chicken door than them,

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Speaker 2: So okay, So now you move to Arlington. You're a

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Speaker 3: Still? Nope?

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Speaker 4: In the academen, well, when I graduated and my first

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Speaker 3: We were on a call together. He's like, man, where

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Speaker 3: No waiting. Now He's like, well, once you come to

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Speaker 4: So the next day I go to met Flec Gym

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Speaker 3: You know. I had twenty two in charms, so I

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Speaker 4: He's like, I teach you how to train as a bodybuilder.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know I'm going backwards, same thing I said. Damn,

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Speaker 4: But if you could pass the drug test, you could

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Speaker 4: Well, when we got there, they brought everybody in a room,

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Speaker 2: The one thing that I noticed about powerlifters is that

465
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 2: they have very dense muscles. They're normally very from the

466
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 2: back when you look at their traps, their run boys,

467
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 2: their spinal directors, their.

468
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 3: Glue, their hams, their legs.

469
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 2: Because you got a squat yep, and you pull a

470
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 2: lot of weight that dead lift, there's nothing better for

471
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 2: the chain muscles than deadlan.

472
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, that's true.

473
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,919
Speaker 2: So did you know going in that the work that

474
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: you had done in high school and a little bit

475
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 2: after college, that that was gonna be such a big

476
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 2: help to you and your bodybuilding careers.

477
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 4: Not at the time, I never even thought about bodybuilding

478
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 4: because one from nobody bodybuilding correct.

479
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 3: I didn't even know what bodybuilding was about.

480
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 4: When Brian told me I could win Misster Olympiu, I'm like,

481
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 4: what's that?

482
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 2: That's the big He saw that, Ronnie, you go into

483
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 2: the gym, he sees that much potentially you, that you

484
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 2: can be through days from day one, from day one,

485
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 2: he told me that.

486
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 3: And you all natural, all natural.

487
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 4: So remember I had twenty two inches, so I still

488
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 4: look pretty good.

489
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 2: So I remember because I remember the photo or you

490
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 2: had the box fade and you had to police utter pormo. Yeah,

491
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 2: so what year did you take that photo? That was

492
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 2: ninety seven? Ninety seven, Yeah, yeah, ninety seven. So you

493
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 2: qualified for the Olympia. But you want a couple of

494
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 2: pro shows. Didn't you win the Canadian Pro Show? My

495
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 2: first pro show.

496
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 4: Was Canada in Toronto. I won my first show in

497
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety five, right, and when we won my second

498
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 4: proot show Canada again nineteen ninety six, and the whole time,

499
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 4: you know, I'm trying my best to get to the Olympia,

500
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 4: and I got to Olympia by qualifying and winning.

501
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 3: Those pro shows. Yes, my first Olympia.

502
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,199
Speaker 4: Nineteen ninety two, I didn't get a call out. I

503
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 4: stood up there on stage and had, you know, the

504
00:25:59,320 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 4: best seat in the house.

505
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 3: They totally overlooked me.

506
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 4: They overlooked me so bad they ain't called me for

507
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 4: no comparison. Nineteen ninety three, I didn't even qualify for

508
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 4: the Olympic because I didn't place it in the top

509
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 4: three in any pro show I did.

510
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 3: I got like six seven somewhere down there. Nineteen ninety four.

511
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 4: I finally qualified for the Miss Olympia in nineteen ninety four,

512
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 4: still drug free, and I go in and I do

513
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 4: Miss Olympia and I get fifteenth place.

514
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 3: So I'm moving up. Things are getting good for me.

515
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 4: Nineteen ninety six, I qualified for winning the Canada Cup.

516
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 4: I go in and I get eleventh places, so I'm

517
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 4: steady moving over soldol nineteen ninety seven, I qualified, but

518
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 4: I went into Canada cover again. They loved me in Canada.

519
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 4: They loved me and I love them. So that year,

520
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 4: you know, I kind of fall back and Shannon nineteen

521
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 4: ninety seven was a hard year for me, my first

522
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 4: shorter year. I go in Iron Man, I never did

523
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 4: these springs, these fall shows before, and I get third

524
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 4: place and the guy who beat me was a guy

525
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 4: about this tall, weighed about one hundred and ninety pounds,

526
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 4: soaking wet, and here I am two hundred and almost

527
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 4: forty pounds and he beat me. And I'm like, wait

528
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 4: a minute, the thing's supposed to happen, right, I said,

529
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 4: I can a guy that shortened and that you know,

530
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 4: that's small, that small beat me. You know, I'm five eleven,

531
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 4: all of I'm gonna like, I say, almost two hundred

532
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 4: and forty pounds. And the next week was an Ano Classic. Okay,

533
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 4: I go into Orno Classic and Lee Priest's beat me again.

534
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 4: I'm going by to call out yeah, and I look.

535
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 4: I get back to my room. I look at my girlfriend,

536
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 4: Vicki Gates. She was a pro bodybuild at the time.

537
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 3: I just bump into her. She worked with Franklin on

538
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 3: the tour.

539
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, saw Kelly Yeah, And I like, Vicki,

540
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 4: you know what, I don't need this bodybuilding thing. I

541
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 4: got a job with the police department with benefits and everything.

542
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 4: I was like, this is my last show. And she

543
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,479
Speaker 4: looked at me and she's that boy shut up. And

544
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 4: I thought to myself, you know what, I can't quit

545
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 4: bodybuilding because if I quit bodybuilding, I lose my free

546
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 4: membership to the gym. All you were thinking about a

547
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 4: free membership, free membership to the gym, because I said,

548
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 4: I worked off for that free membership.

549
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:47,959
Speaker 3: I wasn't about to give it up.

550
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 4: Well, actually I ended up beating the previous okay, so

551
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 4: I felt pretty good. Then I went to the all

552
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 4: of I mean, went went to the Olympia and uh,

553
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 4: the year before ninety or six, I placed seventh, but

554
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 4: they moved me up to six, I think because nasal

555
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 4: failed the drug test. The drug test and back then

556
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 4: right for diuretics. So in nineteen ninety seven, I'm like, man,

557
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 4: if I can just make the tough five, I'll be

558
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 4: all good.

559
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 3: Well I got eleventh, I mean, I got nice.

560
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh man, I already did this pity

561
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 4: party thing, so that.

562
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 3: Ain't gonna work. I ain't gonna quit, So I continue on.

563
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 4: And nineteen ninety eight comes around and I qualified Miss

564
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 4: Olympia again and went into Canada.

565
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 3: So you tell me go back to Canada.

566
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 4: I gep going back to Canada every year, so I

567
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 4: know I got a real good chance to win it.

568
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 4: I don't want to like four years in the row.

569
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, i gotta go back to Canada again.

570
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 2: So not to cut you off, right, So you said

571
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,959
Speaker 2: I got fifteenth place, I've got eleventh place. I've got

572
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 2: ninth place. I've got seventh place in the Olympia, and

573
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: I'm totally drug free.

574
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 4: Well, in nineteen ninety five, Flex Wheeler was winning all

575
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 4: the shows he went to.

576
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 3: Actually was nineteen ninety four.

577
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 4: He was winning. He won on the Classics. Yep, he

578
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 4: was on the tour. He was winning all the shows

579
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 4: on the tour. And I remember when I was in college,

580
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 4: I was always the mortest guy in my class in

581
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 4: the county, and but if I wasn't this morning I

582
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 4: would go study with this morning guy to you know,

583
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:36,959
Speaker 4: increase my grade.

584
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 3: Okay.

585
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 4: So I'm like, I'm gonna take that same valosity with

586
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 4: with Flex. So I went to Flex's room. It was

587
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 4: real kind of late that night, and I'm like, Flex,

588
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 4: uh man, I'm tired of getting my butt whooped all

589
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 4: these shows.

590
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 3: And I hear you guys, are you know, taking the juice?

591
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 4: You know, I had say something and he's like, yeah, man,

592
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 4: if you want to get up there with the big dogs,

593
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 4: you got to do what the big dog do.

594
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 3: Okay. So I'm like, well, what do you do? Well?

595
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 4: Flex named out a whole bunch of you know, steroids

596
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 4: drugs that they take, and he said, I got a

597
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 4: budget that can get everything for you.

598
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 3: So I'm like okay.

599
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 4: So my first time ever having anything to do with

600
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 4: drugs was nineteen ninety five and that's when I won

601
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 4: my first pro show, Canada Cup. Canada Yeah, Canada Cup,

602
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 4: and I'm like, okay, I guess Flex was done. Yeah.

603
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 4: So after that, I'm like, you know what, I'm tired

604
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 4: of getting my budet. I'm I'm just gonna do what

605
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 4: these guys do. But we ran into a little problem

606
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 4: along the way and DA came in and you know,

607
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 4: they like.

608
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 3: Uh, well you gots doing. What are you taking? So

609
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, this is pretty much what I'm doing.

610
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 4: He's like, well, we're gonna have to confiscate, confiscate gad

611
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 4: and you know, and take everything from you.

612
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 3: I'm like okay. So I went out and it.

613
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 4: Had the clinics that you can go to and get

614
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 4: you know, there was legally right. The only thing you

615
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 4: had to take these blood blood work like you had

616
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 4: to get the blood done.

617
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

618
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 4: So I went to one of those clinics and start

619
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 4: doing everything legally. But I had to, you know, take

620
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 4: these blood tests and everything came out pretty much normal.

621
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 3: So I was okay. So I was all right.

622
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 4: Now you know I could do everything legally. I ain't

623
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 4: got to worry about, you know, getting in trouble from

624
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 4: doing what I was doing. And from from from that

625
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 4: point on, my career just took off. In nineteen ninety eight,

626
00:32:55,320 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 4: when I went to the Olympia, Flex was the successor.

627
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,239
Speaker 4: Everybody said Flex was gonna win because right because there

628
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,719
Speaker 4: was a stretch there. Lee had taken over. Lee had

629
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 4: won eight straight. Lee retired, No, no, no, Dorian Yate, Yeah

630
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 4: come in sixth straight. Oh that's fourteen years. They've only

631
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 4: had two guys to win the O. Lee Haney, he

632
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 4: retires after eight. Dorian Yate ext win six. He retires.

633
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 4: Now Flex is the natural. Everybody's like, hey, it's all

634
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 4: flecks Flex showly lose, okay, And uh I wasn't nowhere

635
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 4: in there because I hadn't got ain't nowhere in the

636
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 4: top five, right, So it was Flex, NASA, Sean Kevin

637
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 4: so in the nine ed Olympia, that's what they was

638
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 4: calling out. And I'm like, oh man, here we go again.

639
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 4: And I got ninth the year before, and I'm like,

640
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 4: if I could only make the top five, man, I'll

641
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 4: be happy and satisfied because I'm really just doing this

642
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 4: for free membership to the gym.

643
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 3: I ain't really thinking about winning the Olympia.

644
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 4: And that never even occurred to me because I said, well,

645
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 4: I'm from nobody did body building. We didn't know anything

646
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 4: about it. Brian taught me everything I knew about body building. Well,

647
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 4: the only thing was Flex was winning all the shows.

648
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 4: And you know they were had those guys, you know,

649
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 4: picked to when you'll be the successor. Well, Flex call

650
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 4: me on the phone one day and like, man, who

651
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 4: you working with. I'm like, dude, I'm doing my own thing.

652
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 4: He's like, oh man, I got this guy chatted Nick

653
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 4: because he he could, you know, make it make it here,

654
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 4: even down here, and make a difference in your physique.

655
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 4: So I called Chad. Chad didn't call me back, so

656
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 4: I called flex again.

657
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 3: I ain't flex. This guy's not calling me back. Man.

658
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 4: You told me to come the guy and he was

659
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 4: gonna help me out. And he called me back. He's like, no,

660
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 4: just keep calling he'll call you back. So I called

661
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 4: him again. Well, this time he called me back, you know,

662
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 4: and I hook up with him. He changed everything I

663
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 4: was doing. He changed my diet. You know, I went

664
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 4: from eating five meals a day to eating six meals

665
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 4: a day.

666
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 3: Okay.

667
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 4: I went from ten ounces to twelve ounces of protein

668
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 4: with each meal to sixteen ounces.

669
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 3: You eat a powder protein a meal.

670
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 4: The pound of protein of meal. And I'm trying everything.

671
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 4: My powders stuffed this food and it ain't working. So

672
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 4: I'm like, man, he said, I gotta I gotta eat

673
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,240
Speaker 4: this food to get big. So I just kept eating

674
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 4: and eating. My body finally adjusted to it. I was

675
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 4: finally able. It took me about three four months, wow,

676
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 4: for my body to adjust one hundred grams of protein

677
00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 4: with each meal. We talked about one hundred grams of chicken, steak, turkey.

678
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 4: You know you eat fish back then, No, I didn't

679
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 4: eat fish. Uh, Chad didn't have me on fishing, and

680
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 4: I didn't really too much care for fishing either, because

681
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 4: I eat fish and I be.

682
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 3: You had a lot of fiber in your system, boy,

683
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 3: you will be back.

684
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 4: He had me on all kinds of fibers uplements, and

685
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 4: I was going to the bathroom after each minute five

686
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 4: times yep and uh.

687
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 3: And another thing was I couldn't need five meals.

688
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 4: Uh. You know, I've worked full time police department. I'm working, uh,

689
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 4: working out every day. I'm doing cardio. That's another thing

690
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 4: Chad did. He increased my cardio from one hour a

691
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 4: day to two hours a day. And I'm like, oh, man,

692
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 4: you really doing a number on me here. And you know,

693
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 4: I made it work. And you know, like I said,

694
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 4: I was finally able to eat that eat. There was

695
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 4: one hundred grams of protein. The only thing was I

696
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 4: couldn't get the six meals in. So Chad was like, well,

697
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 4: you need to eat this food if you want to

698
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 4: get big, she said, try and waking up in the

699
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 4: middle of the night, eating me and going back to bed.

700
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 4: So that's what I did. I went to bed every

701
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 4: night about four o'clock and I will wake up.

702
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: Four o'clock afternoon, No, no, four o'clock in the morning

703
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 2: because you work in the police.

704
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm working proment.

705
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,439
Speaker 4: So I would get up at seven, eat a meal,

706
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 4: go back to bed at eight, a whole hour. Well,

707
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 4: it worked out pretty good, and they caught on and

708
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 4: I was able to do an hour in the morning

709
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 4: on on treadmill I had right by my bed. You know,

710
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 4: I get out of bed, jump right on the treadmill.

711
00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 4: Was it fast the cardio? Yeah, fast cardio. So I

712
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 4: did that and when I finished that, I would eat

713
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 4: my first meal, go to the gym. I got there

714
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 4: about twelve thirty, almost one. I only worked out an

715
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 4: hour each day, one hour maybe hour fifteen minutes at

716
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 4: the motor. I would get home about two fifteen somewhere there.

717
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 4: I would get take a shower, get dressed, go to work.

718
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 4: I had to be there at three. I got there

719
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 4: at three, and I would eat my next meal at

720
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 4: three and we get a forty five minute lunch break.

721
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 4: So I'd eat my next meal at that lunch break,

722
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 4: and I got off at eleven o'clock every night. So

723
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 4: I would come home, eat another meal, take a shower

724
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 4: and everything, and sit around do some me meal and

725
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 4: I would eat my last meal, which was a protein

726
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 4: shape I just just drank one hundred grand protein and

727
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 4: I'd go to bed, like I said, around about four o'clock.

728
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 3: And that was the whole day. And that was that

729
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 3: was my camp. You know.

730
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 4: I didn't go no strip clubs. I didn't go out

731
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 4: to no clubs.

732
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 3: I didn't go. You ain't had no time. I had

733
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 3: no time there you go.

734
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 4: But come to find out, Flex told me, man I

735
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 4: went to the strip club every day when I got

736
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 4: my workout.

737
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 3: They had already told me I was gonna win in Olympia.

738
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 3: What you did? What?

739
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, yeah, guess what I did. I'm like, dude,

740
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 4: I didn't go to no strip club. I didn't go nowhere.

741
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 4: You know, it was job worked a gym back home.

742
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 4: So basically you're eating around, you're eating. You're eating like

743
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 4: every three hours, every two and a half hours.

744
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 3: Exactly every three hours. I'm eating a meal every three hours.

745
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 3: You're eating a meal. Yep.

746
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 4: And it's working out pretty good if the thing's going

747
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 4: according to plan. And so nineteen ninety eight Olympica rolls around,

748
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 4: everybody's saying Flex go in, you know, and we get

749
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 4: to show. They calling out the Flex NASA Kevin Sean

750
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh man.

751
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 3: Here we go again.

752
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 4: All I want to do is make the top five

753
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 4: and I'll be okay. Well, somewhere along the line they

754
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 4: started calling me out. Okay, I'm like, okay, thanks, looking up,

755
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 4: I might have a chance to make the top five.

756
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 3: Well.

757
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 4: I can remember, like it was yesterday. I'm like, you know,

758
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 4: they could be standing there, all six of us on stage,

759
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 4: and I'm like, you know, I don't want to be

760
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 4: called six. I mean, I don't like God, please don't

761
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 4: let me because six. They called out sixth places and

762
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 4: it wasn't mean. And I'm like, thank you, geesu. And

763
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, I got fifth. You know, I've accomplished

764
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:53,959
Speaker 4: my dream, did what I always wanted to do, make

765
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 4: the top five. Fifth place call it wasn't me. I'm like,

766
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 4: wait a minute now, oh something one on here, fourth

767
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 4: place called wasn't me. I'm like, oh man, every time

768
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 4: it came time for a name to be called, I'm

769
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 4: expecting to hear my name all the way up to.

770
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 3: Me and Flex standing on stage.

771
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 4: I remember like yesterday, and uh, I knew in my

772
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 4: heart that I was gonna get second place because they

773
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 4: already said Flex was gonna win. So I'm thinking the

774
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 4: whole time, they're gonna call flex name for first. And

775
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 4: I can remember, like yesterday they called our flex name

776
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 4: for a second, and I'm like, they called.

777
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 3: Me out for first. I'm like, oh man, they made

778
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 3: a mistake.

779
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 4: And I'm like, wait a minute, no, they wouldn't make

780
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 4: mistake that big and that I hit the floor yep,

781
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 4: and I was out pretty much out cold. I fainted

782
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 4: just like that. And uh. The only thing I remember

783
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 4: was Vicky coming on stage and helping me get off

784
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 4: off that floor.

785
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 3: And I didn't know. I didn't know what had happened.

786
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 4: I didn't know I was down on the floor that

787
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 4: long until I watched this tape. Flex came over and

788
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 4: said something to me. Chris came over and said something

789
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 4: to me. I don't I ain't heard it. I don't

790
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 4: remember none of that. I don't remember none of that.

791
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 4: And when I got up, I'm like, oh man, I

792
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 4: don't know. I don't want the Olympia other this is

793
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 4: the best thing that ever happened in my life. I

794
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 4: never in a million years thought I went in Olympia.

795
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 4: I never even dreamed the wind in the Olympia because

796
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 4: I didn't think it was possible.

797
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 2: But Ronnie, as you're prepping for the show, like you said, okay,

798
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 2: we know Dorian retired. Yeah boom, okay, flex great cemetery,

799
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 2: those round belly muscles, everything. Please when you look at

800
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 2: the sand down statue, that's flex, seem like it fle

801
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 2: see like flex wheeler.

802
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 3: And so how'd your prep are?

803
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 2: You looking at yourself every couple of weeks like you

804
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 2: look like a damn I'm getting a little bigger, I'm

805
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 2: getting a little leaner, as big as I am, as

806
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 2: lean as I am, because you all, he's gonna be

807
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 2: the bigger man on stage. Basical only guy during that

808
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 2: time that could challenge you for size.

809
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,720
Speaker 3: Was natal and natural exactly.

810
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 2: He was the only one. Everybody else was gonna have

811
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 2: to beat you with lines. He conditioned it because when

812
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: it came to size, nobody could touch you.

813
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 3: Nobody had that.

814
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 2: But you had to be looking at yourself like, well, okay,

815
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 2: you start to see the Christmas tree start to come in,

816
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 2: You start to see the last when you do the

817
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 2: real last.

818
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 3: Yes, everything was coming in.

819
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 4: The only thing was I was working with Chad Nicholas

820
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 4: and the night before the show he had me eat

821
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 4: so many cars. I mean I was eating a thousand

822
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 4: metograms for cars a day and that you're carving up.

823
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

824
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 4: And he started that like on Wednesday or Thursday, I

825
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 4: forget whatever the day it was. And I was stuffing

826
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 4: myself with food and I felt pretty good, you know,

827
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 4: because when I was prepping for the contest, I could

828
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 4: only eat one hundred in twenty five one hundred and

829
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 4: fifty rams of carbs a day a day, and that's

830
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 4: like two meals three at the most. And when he

831
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 4: put me on those thousands, man, I felt like I

832
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 4: was in heaven, right. I mean, it was the greatest

833
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 4: feeling ever. Thousand milligrams were carved every single day. And

834
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 4: by the time I got the Friday, I was so stuffed.

835
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 4: I was so full. I lost my conditioning. I'm like,

836
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 4: oh man, I'm messed up again. I rule my chance

837
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 4: to make the top five and everything. So I'm like

838
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 4: call Chad, like, Chad, Man, I done messed up.

839
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 3: Man.

840
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 4: The bigger mistake stake ever. He's I like, all my

841
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 4: conditioning has gone gone. He's like, man, don't worry about that.

842
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 3: I got you.

843
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 4: So he come out of the room, give me some

844
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 4: kind of powder and put some water in and drink that. Okay, well, okay, man,

845
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 4: I'm gonna stay up all night going to the bathroom.

846
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 4: I woke up the next morning. I'm so nervous. I

847
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 4: ain't looking at a mirror. I don't even see myself.

848
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 4: And every time I got close to a mirror, I

849
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,919
Speaker 4: would look away. I'm in backstage. I'm like, I don't

850
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 4: want to see how I look, because I know I

851
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 4: look pretty bad after seeing myself last night. So I

852
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 4: avoided all mirrors that whole entire morning, the whole entire day. Actually,

853
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 4: I didn't know how I looked intil the pictures came

854
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 4: out in the magazine.

855
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, back then we didn't have camera phone. Oh,

856
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 3: you didn't have cameraphone.

857
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 2: But Ronnie, you know being backstage, and I've been backstage

858
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: and seeing you guys at the Olympia and the arnol

859
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 2: uh and and but guys know like, damn.

860
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 3: Good, you see I'm big and bull running. Look man,

861
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 3: you see Dacer So well, they're not whispered going on

862
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 3: because I didn't hear anything.

863
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,919
Speaker 4: I was so you know, focused on me and trying

864
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 4: to make the top five. That I mean when Joe

865
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 4: Wheeler even came back there. He never said anything to me.

866
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 4: He's like, man, I need you on my team. And

867
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 4: he's like, I can get you guest hoods all around

868
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,439
Speaker 4: the world. All got to do is drain my team.

869
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 4: I'm like, you want me on your team?

870
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 3: Like, ain't Joe. I'm look pretty good? Like heah, you

871
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 3: look real good.

872
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, whatever, just just just gassing me up.

873
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,439
Speaker 3: He ain't really serious about that.

874
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: Uh.

875
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 3: Come to find out, he was serious about it, and Uh,

876
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 3: I still didn't get it.

877
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 4: I still didn't know how good I looked because I

878
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 4: avoided every mirror that I came by sold. Like I said,

879
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 4: when they called me for first I lost it. I

880
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 4: mean I was in complete shock.

881
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 2: Other than working with Chad, he changing your diet, everything,

882
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 2: I was doing your weight, your weight.

883
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 3: Scheme, the sets that you did.

884
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 2: Uh. Back then, there was no such thing as time

885
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 2: but attention. It seemed to be the way to go.

886
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 2: Now that you bring the rate down, it's a three

887
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 2: three tempo down, whole three tempo up running.

888
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 3: You lifted weights.

889
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 2: But I noticed when I look at your physique back then,

890
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: and I look at the guys now, they don't seem

891
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 2: as grainy you.

892
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 3: Used a lot of bar bell. You wasn't a whole

893
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 3: You wasn't a machine guy. You did that bitch.

894
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 2: You did heavy dumb bells. You did show the press exactly,

895
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 2: did t bar you did bar bell roll, you did

896
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,479
Speaker 2: iron iron. Everything was pretty much free weight, Yes, yes,

897
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 2: I didn't.

898
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 4: I probably did maybe one or two machines, right, And

899
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 4: uh everything was heavy, yes, yes.

900
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 2: Yes, But even even like the last couple of weeks,

901
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 2: when guys are normally tapering off as far as weight,

902
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 2: you were still lifting because I think you were probably

903
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 2: like a month out when you squad eight.

904
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 3: Hundred a dead lift.

905
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 4: Now I was a month's out when I dead lifted

906
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 4: at eight hundred, right, But when I squatted it, I

907
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 4: was probably three months.

908
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 3: But I was I was.

909
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 4: I was a whole lot heavier too, right, So that

910
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 4: that's why I did eight hundred was so light to me,

911
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 4: I was full of cars. I wasn't diying, right, and

912
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 4: uh it was super light. I mean I couldn't believe

913
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 4: how light it was.

914
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 2: So you win that Olympia in ninety eight, you gotta

915
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 2: be on top of the world. You're like, man, is

916
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 2: it everything that you thought it would be? If you

917
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 2: were it could be because you didn't even vision yourself

918
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 2: winning it.

919
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 3: Exactly.

920
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 2: You win that when you get back to your room

921
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 2: and you order that piece of honey and you and

922
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 2: Vicky talk what's going through your mind?

923
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,760
Speaker 4: Righting, I'm I'm still in short, I still can't believe

924
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 4: I won. It still hadn't hit me yet. But you know,

925
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 4: I'm I'm so overjoyed. I'm like in another world pretty much,

926
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,240
Speaker 4: because I can't believe I just won the Miss Olympia,

927
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 4: the biggest body building test in the world, something that I, like,

928
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 4: I said, I didn't even dream of it.

929
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 3: I never even thought I had a chance.

930
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 4: But I put in the work. You know how disciplined

931
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 4: football players are got to be. And I stuck to

932
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 4: my routine. I never ever cheated on my diet. I

933
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 4: didn't go out and party. I didn't do anything but

934
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 4: work on my body and and uh went to work

935
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 4: every day.

936
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 3: That was all I did.

937
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 4: And uh that happened every single contest. You know, I'm

938
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 4: always gonna you know how we are, We always gonna

939
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 4: challenge ourselves.

940
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, to be the best.

941
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 4: You know, even though we are not the best, We're

942
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 4: gonna challenge ourselves to be the bed and Like I said,

943
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 4: I had so much passion for it. It was the

944
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 4: easiest thing in the world for me to go to

945
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 4: the gym each and every single day. And then I

946
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 4: fell in love with working for the police department also,

947
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 4: so I had two things that I look forward to

948
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 4: doing each and every single day. Going to the gym

949
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 4: and going to work. I mean, I love working for

950
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 4: the police department. It was so much fun and it

951
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 4: gave me a chance to escape being a bodybuilding right.

952
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 4: You know, when I'm at work, I'm just Ronnie Coleman,

953
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 4: police officer, not Ronnie Coleman the bodybuilding. And that's all

954
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 4: I'm thinking about because people like that trying to kill you. Yeah,

955
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 4: so I'm thinking about, you know, making all my life. Yeah,

956
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 4: I'm thinking about making it home each and every single night.

957
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 4: But at the same time, I'm enjoying what I'm doing.

958
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 4: I'm loving what I'm doing because every single day it

959
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 4: was something different. It was never the same day every

960
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 4: single day, and that's what I look forward to, doing

961
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 4: something different every single day. And I had so much

962
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 4: passion for work for the police Department. I would do

963
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 4: it for freedom and then actuality. That's what happened in

964
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 4: two thousand and one when they told me I could

965
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 4: no longer work for the police department. Why you can

966
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 4: work for because I was taking off too much. I

967
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 4: would take off for like three months for the Olympia.

968
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 4: Every show I would do, I would take about almost

969
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 4: maybe two months to a month sometimes, but the regular

970
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:27,439
Speaker 4: SHO show, there wasn't that much time.

971
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 3: The runner.

972
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 2: You wouldn't really do it for one show. I can

973
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,959
Speaker 2: only recall you do it maybe a handful of times.

974
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 2: You did two shows of the Cason, you did the

975
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 2: arland O one, which and you did the r did

976
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 2: you did the it O one. But for the most part,

977
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 2: you didn't do it for one show. One show every year.

978
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 4: But you know that one show was the most important thing,

979
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 4: for sure in the world to me.

980
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 3: And I also did the European two after Yeah, you

981
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 3: did it too.

982
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, every every single year, so miss Olympia and then

983
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 4: the tour. And on the tour we had like sometimes

984
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 4: seven shows, right, and I would do seven shows in

985
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 4: eleven days, And you know that's a grind.

986
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 2: It is, I mean, because traveling you go to hole

987
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 2: water exactly as hard as.

988
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 4: I remember this one show. There's one tour I was

989
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 4: doing everything in my power to get rid of water.

990
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 4: No matter what I did, it wouldn't come off. I'm

991
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 4: getting fifth place, sixth place. Everybody's beating me, and Kevin

992
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 4: is winning every show. So I'm like, man, I usually

993
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 4: winning all these shows. I used to keep it this conditioning.

994
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 4: So I put a flexwet on him. I went by

995
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 4: his room like it was almost midnight. When I got there,

996
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 4: he had his room. He was still up.

997
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, what are you doing to win all

998
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 3: these shows? Now? You keeping your conditioning.

999
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 4: He goes over to his coffee maker, pulled out his

1000
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 4: coffin maker, pulled me up a cup of coffee, and

1001
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 4: then he pulled out a bottle of vodka and poured

1002
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 4: that in the coffee.

1003
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 3: I'm like, what dad, they gonna do with that? He's

1004
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 3: like here go. I'm like, dude, I don't drink no vodka.

1005
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 4: Man, I can do the coff bus nothing, not the vodka.

1006
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 4: He's like, you wanted to know what I was doing.

1007
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 4: This is what I'm doing to win the show. I'm

1008
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 4: like okay and say, okay, I drank that coffor. I

1009
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,959
Speaker 4: was like, man, stain't too bad. Give me another cup,

1010
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 4: but you all night though, I'm up peing all night again,

1011
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 4: and I go to the show the next day, and man,

1012
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 4: I win. I beat Kevin in nineth This was in

1013
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety seven, so that's a pretty big deal for me.

1014
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 4: I never in my life be killing my whole time.

1015
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 4: Kevin won the ninety one men National. That's when he

1016
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 4: turned pro as right, and he got second in the

1017
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 4: Olympia the next year.

1018
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,439
Speaker 3: So I'm thinking, hey, you know.

1019
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 4: Things looking up for me. I got a chance to

1020
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 4: do something in this word now. So I put that

1021
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 4: all behind me and I never did that coffee and

1022
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 4: vodka think again.

1023
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 3: Plus I hooked up with Chad. He had some better

1024
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:21,760
Speaker 3: than that. He had some kind of powder.

1025
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 4: He would pull it and he put it in the

1026
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 4: glass and put some water in it.

1027
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 3: Drink did I'm like okay, And it.

1028
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 4: Would help me going to the bathroom for like two

1029
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 4: hours straight every twenty minutes, just dropping all his water.

1030
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 3: And it worked pretty good.

1031
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 2: But don't you worry about Ronnie when you when you

1032
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 2: do that or flattening out, because a lot of times

1033
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 2: the water was in the muscle. It gives you that

1034
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 2: full look and sometimes you could flatten. Now, you see, guys,

1035
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 2: so good the day before the show and then get

1036
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 2: on the show like, bro, what did you do?

1037
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 4: That's why I was eating a thousand milligrams RBS every

1038
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 4: single day so I wouldn't flat now and I never

1039
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:05,959
Speaker 4: did them.

1040
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 3: Car orbs really did a number on me. Did the trick.

1041
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,439
Speaker 2: Because it's onto something because you cut your water yep,

1042
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 2: and now you put the car there to pull the

1043
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,439
Speaker 2: water that to put the muscle the water back into

1044
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 2: the monks exactly, and uh we it's like a science project,

1045
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 2: really is.

1046
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 3: And another kick I ain't never told nobody it is.

1047
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 4: We We would use insulin to uh make it go faster,

1048
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 4: and some would push it in the muscle real quick,

1049
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 4: real fast. Well you know if you try it without it,

1050
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 4: it wouldn't work.

1051
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 3: Its good and all of that. It worked to a tea.

1052
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 3: I know.

1053
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 4: I was I was big on stage. I was ripped,

1054
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 4: I was full, you know, and that's how I beat

1055
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:55,479
Speaker 4: those guys.

1056
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:56,720
Speaker 3: Wow.

1057
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 2: So I'm trying to figure out, Okay, so what was

1058
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 2: your rep in set scheme?

1059
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 3: Yep?

1060
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 4: He had me doing like twenty reps you know to

1061
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 4: start out weight.

1062
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, this is a one.

1063
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:15,720
Speaker 2: Up okay, And I'm peering Medden up every every since.

1064
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 2: So I was started out at like one, one thirty

1065
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 2: five on the bench, twenty reps. Put another plate on there,

1066
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 2: fifteen reps, put another plate on.

1067
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 4: There, like twelve, twelve reps. And my last ridge, would

1068
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 4: you know with another plate would be ten reps. None

1069
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 4: under ten, yeah, none under ten. And if you watch

1070
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 4: me work out, I'm never locking out. No, And the

1071
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 4: reason for that is I'm trying to keep the tension

1072
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 4: on the muscles the whole time. And when you lock out,

1073
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 4: you hurt your joints. You get a lot of joint pain.

1074
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 4: And I stayed as far away from that as possible.

1075
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 4: And people thought I was doing half reps. I'm like, no,

1076
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 4: I ain't doing no rep. I'm doing a.

1077
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 2: Full rep on the muscle right, I ain't using my

1078
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,760
Speaker 2: joints at all, And I never had any joint problem

1079
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 2: even to this day, I'm still doing twenty reps with everything.

1080
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,439
Speaker 2: This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two

1081
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 2: is also posted and you can access it to whichever

1082
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 2: podcast platform you just listen to part one on. Just

1083
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 2: simply go back to Club Shashay profile and I'll see

1084
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 2: you there.