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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I am so excited

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Speaker 1: today we have doctor Marty McCarey. He's a professor at

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Speaker 1: Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and the author of

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Speaker 1: blind Spots, When Medicine Gets It Wrong and what it

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Speaker 1: means for our health. Doctor McCarey, thank you for so

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Speaker 1: much for coming on.

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Speaker 2: Great to be with you. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: So I just have to first point out that I

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Speaker 1: am also a McCarey, and that's part of the reason

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Speaker 1: that I am so excited about having you on. I

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Speaker 1: grew up as a McCarey, so that's my maiden name.

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Speaker 3: Cool, awesome, it's always good to reconnect with the McCarey

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Speaker 3: in the world.

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Speaker 1: Yes, there's not that many, so it is kind of fun.

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Speaker 1: But I also, as I mentioned, I also was a

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Speaker 1: patient of Johns Hopkins University. I went through breast cancer

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Speaker 1: there and my experience. I went to multiple different hospitals

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Speaker 1: before I found the doctors at Johns Hopkins. They were

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Speaker 1: so amazing. The care I got was so incredible. In fact,

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Speaker 1: after three years after my surgery for breast cancer, the

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Speaker 1: doctor called me back and said, I have a woman

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Speaker 1: who is just a little younger than you were when

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Speaker 1: you had cancer, and she's very scared. Would you talk

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Speaker 1: her through this? And I thought the number of people

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Speaker 1: think about calling me. That's truly someone who cares.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, we talk about cases all the time. Everybody's different,

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Speaker 4: and so that's kind of the best part about being

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Speaker 4: a doctor is actually the collegiality. So we're always talking

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Speaker 4: about patients, what we could do differently, and so, well,

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Speaker 4: I'm glad to hear you had a good experience.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was incredible, and I've followed you since then.

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Speaker 1: When you came out on the scene, I actually talked

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Speaker 1: to my doctors about you and I was like, this

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Speaker 1: is incredible. I'm so excited to see someone who is

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Speaker 1: not afraid to speak out. And you've been speaking out

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Speaker 1: about I guess I would say big medicine and just

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Speaker 1: what's happening and kind of this degradation of our health

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Speaker 1: over time. And I've seen this with young kids. It's

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Speaker 1: something you've talked a lot about, and it's something that

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Speaker 1: I haven't been able to graciously put into words. But

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Speaker 1: as I've seen my girls go through school, I've seen this,

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Speaker 1: I would say an epidemic of obesity, and I keep saying,

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Speaker 1: it's not like we're eating that differently. There's something else

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Speaker 1: going wrong, and I feel like you would agree with that.

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Speaker 4: First of all, thank you for the kind words. I

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Speaker 4: Christmas card this year, but I'm glad I did speak out.

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Speaker 4: You know, COVID was a little peek into a broader

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Speaker 4: medical establishment where a small group of doctors at the

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Speaker 4: top increasingly have the power. We have sort of central

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Speaker 4: planners now, if you will, in medicine, and the group

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Speaker 4: think is powerful and they sometimes shut out different opinions.

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Speaker 4: But if you look at the track record of American

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Speaker 4: healthcare over the last fifty years, we're good at taking

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Speaker 4: care of emergencies, but we have failed in making the

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Speaker 4: population healthier. About half of kids now are overweight or obese.

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Speaker 4: Is it that kids are more lazy or disobedient than

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Speaker 4: kids in Japan, where that rate is three percent? Or

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Speaker 4: have we poisoned the food supply? Have we given people

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Speaker 4: the wrong information about what's healthy and what's not healthy.

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Speaker 3: We have a.

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Speaker 4: Chronic disease epidemic. A pediatrician may have rarely seen a

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Speaker 4: case of type two diabetes just one generation ago. Now

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Speaker 4: it's one in three children will go on to have

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Speaker 4: pancreatic cancer, rates have doubled in twenty years. What's going on?

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Speaker 4: Who's asking the big questions? And we have this healthcare

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Speaker 4: system so focused on billing and coding, and we've done

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Speaker 4: a terrible thing to doctors. We give them these short

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Speaker 4: them the time or resources to actually ask the big questions.

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Speaker 4: Maybe we shouldn't be medicating everybody. Maybe we need to

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Speaker 4: about school lunch programs, not just putting every kid on ozempic.

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Speaker 4: Our current medical leaders have failed us, and so many

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Speaker 2: Directly to the public.

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Speaker 3: And that's why I wrote this book blind spots.

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Speaker 1: I think that's been one of the biggest shocks is

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Speaker 1: completely changed. She said, I have kids that come in

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look, we've had these issues that we've ignored, and

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Speaker 4: it turns out what's going on. Increasingly as new research

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Speaker 4: not an acute inflammatory response. It's a low grade chronic

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Speaker 4: and we've just been medicating these folks. There's been a

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Speaker 4: lot of powerful group think in medicine. If you look

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Speaker 4: at our track record, we've ignored the food supply. We've

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Speaker 4: ignored the role of pesticides. If these pesticides are killing pests,

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Speaker 4: allowed big pharma, big food, and big egg to control

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Speaker 4: the narrative. And so we've got to start talking about health.

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Speaker 4: And there's a lot of things that everyday folks should

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Speaker 1: It's really hard as a parent because you hear this

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Speaker 1: So first, how do I choose? How do I make

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Speaker 2: Yes, there is.

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Speaker 4: So there's a couple important principles that I go through

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Speaker 4: in blind spots. In summary, you want to avoid pesticides

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Speaker 4: if you're eating a watermelon, it may not matter nearly

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Speaker 4: A strawberry has been sprayed with on average seven point

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Speaker 4: with these so called seed oils, the canola oil, vegetable oil,

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Speaker 4: soybean oil. They're not healthy. They sound healthy, but they

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Speaker 4: natural oils, avocado oil, coconut oil, extra virgin olive oil.

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Speaker 4: So avoid unnecessary antibiotics. Sixty percent of antibiotics are unnecessary.

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Speaker 4: How many times have we heard the dogma it won't help,

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Speaker 2: Bombing your microbiome.

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Speaker 4: And avoid unnecessary c sections that changes the microbiome. It's

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Speaker 4: important to breastfeed. That's politically incorrect to say. Now, of

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Speaker 4: course some women cannot they're physically unable to, but that

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Speaker 4: alters the microbiome. So all of these important topics we

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Speaker 4: and they've been in a giant blind spot of modern medicine.

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Speaker 4: And yet the research is overwhelming. Kids that take antibiotics

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Speaker 4: kids who don't have a different microbiome, they have higher

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Speaker 4: and new research is also showing that antibiotics in childhood

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Speaker 4: So I go through all this research, but these are

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Speaker 1: You know, I've never heard the thing about c sections before.

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Speaker 1: And you are really pressured into choosing when you're going

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Speaker 1: options for sea sections. And it was interesting because I was.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we have these nudges in medicine.

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Speaker 4: If you tell a woman in labor anywhere in the

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Speaker 4: even though it's it's that may not be the good

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Speaker 4: Now, sea sections save lives, they're necessary ten to twenty

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Speaker 4: percent of all deliveries, but they're also massively overused. Forty

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Speaker 4: percent are unnecessary. And where does the microbiome come from?

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Speaker 4: That lining of the gut that's of bacteria that's involved

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Speaker 4: when you're in utero a baby and the mother is sterile,

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Speaker 4: there's no bacteri in the gut. The microbiome is formed

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Speaker 4: from the baby passing through the birth canal, and those

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Speaker 4: bacteria seed the baby's microbiome. But when you're born by

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Speaker 4: operative field, and what may seed that baby's microbiome are

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Speaker 1: Well, I think this is the time, though, for the

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Speaker 1: program going forward. It's called blind Spots when medicine gets

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Speaker 2: So, thanks so much, Tutor.

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Speaker 3: It's available wherever books are sold.

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Speaker 4: I learned so much doing the research for this book

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Speaker 1: who cares enough to talk through with you what you're

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Speaker 1: gonna do and then follows up with you years afterward.

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Speaker 1: I think that you come from an amazing program and

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Speaker 1: I'm very proud of it.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Tutor, And I'll have to let him know

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Speaker 4: when I see him.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And thank you all for listening to the Tutor

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Speaker 1: Dixon Podcasts. For this episode and others. Go to Tutor

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Speaker 1: dixonpodcast dot com, iHeartRadio or Apple Podcasts or wherever you

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Speaker 1: get your podcasts, and join us next time. Have a

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Speaker 1: blessed day,