Speaker 1: Lawrence for his first passion of the night. They won't
Speaker 1: get it off. The ball is now out. Ran Adlan
Speaker 1: is here to signal. They call it a fumbled Jacksonville
Speaker 1: thinks they pertained possession, but Alan says no, it's the
Speaker 1: Jets ball. Third down and goal from inside the one diving.
Speaker 1: The ball comes out, but he was over the line,
Speaker 1: so it is a touchdown block is it? Old Zeros?
Speaker 1: And that'll be picked off so that'll look good on
Speaker 1: the stat sheet. It's fourth down and two throwing taught
Speaker 1: and the call then comes out they had the first
Speaker 1: down and more and the next thing you know, it's
Speaker 1: a turnover. Mm hmmmmmm. Al Michael's with the call on Amazon.
Speaker 1: The Jacksonville Jaguars go to the meadow lands and take
Speaker 1: care of business, moving to seven and eight with a
Speaker 1: nineteen three win over the New York Jets, who are
Speaker 1: pretty much out of contention right now after their fourth
Speaker 1: consecutive loss. Dan Hans is here. It is a could
Speaker 1: be caused for a funeral here with the Jets. But
Speaker 1: let me say this before we bring in um the
Speaker 1: other half of the Hansas cast today. You could also
Speaker 1: look at it the other way. Thursday, Night Football December
Speaker 1: two could one day be viewed as a celebration for
Speaker 1: the Jets, because, let there be no mistake here, New
Speaker 1: York does are moving on at quarterback as soon as
Speaker 1: this upcoming next week of games week seventeen, and certainly
Speaker 1: in two thousand three. And with that said, yes, I
Speaker 1: am not handling the duties of this game alone. Let's
Speaker 1: bring him in. His name is Keith. He's dance dad,
Speaker 1: don't doubt about it. He's a big Jets fan. What
Speaker 1: is he called to say? Game today? What is he
Speaker 1: going to say? Game today? Now? All right, welcome Papa,
Speaker 1: my dad, Keith Hans, his lifelong Jets fan, been waiting
Speaker 1: fifty three years in counting to get back to the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. And Dad, it's not happening this year either.
Speaker 1: And tonight was felt like the nail in the coffin
Speaker 1: for Yeah, we had some hopes that that if they
Speaker 1: had some sort of winning streak at the end of
Speaker 1: the season here and maybe with a little luck, it
Speaker 1: could have happened. But uh, Zack Wilson and the entire
Speaker 1: team played very poorly tonight at home again, which they
Speaker 1: haven't played good at home most of the season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel, Papa. I feel very uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: defended you know, obviously guessing up the Jets at times
Speaker 1: this season, and I've I've got non uh the various
Speaker 1: uh providers of primetime games for not putting the Jets
Speaker 1: on in prime time. But I don't know, it's just
Speaker 1: like this is yet another primetime egg that the Jets lay.
Speaker 1: They are terrible in prime time. It's this has been
Speaker 1: going on for years now, and to to really not
Speaker 1: show up in this game, Uh, it's just depressing. And
Speaker 1: it's oppressing that it's right before Christmas and that stadium
Speaker 1: again filled with Jets fans getting rained on for four
Speaker 1: quarters and then for Zack Wilson. And this is again
Speaker 1: I agree with what you just said that it's not
Speaker 1: just Zack Wilson. This was a poor performance by the Jets.
Speaker 1: Their defense got outplayed by Trevor Lawrence. And and we're
Speaker 1: gonna get to the Jaguars. Don't worry for fans that
Speaker 1: want to hear from the team that feels relevant at
Speaker 1: this point in terms of the playoff picture. Um, but
Speaker 1: Wilson delivered a performance that I really do think ends
Speaker 1: his Jets career. The way things set up with Mike White, um,
Speaker 1: coming coming in for Zach Wilson, playing well, going down
Speaker 1: with an injury, giving Wilson another chance to start, which
Speaker 1: I'm not sure would have happened if White didn't get hurt.
Speaker 1: And for Wilson to be highly erratic against the Lions
Speaker 1: and then just lay an egg. That makes you think
Speaker 1: of those Patriots games earlier this season get booed out
Speaker 1: of the building, which always felt like a possibility. Dad,
Speaker 1: This feels like, um, the end for Wilson. How could
Speaker 1: the Jets ever turn back to him after tonight? I
Speaker 1: don't see it, I really I think it was it
Speaker 1: was just he was just lucky that he got like
Speaker 1: you said, he got reinserted into the lineup only due
Speaker 1: to the injury too. You know, Um, I can't take
Speaker 1: his name, Mike White. Yeah, Mike White. Mike White just
Speaker 1: just just slipped there. But yeah, it's if it wasn't
Speaker 1: for that, I don't think we would have seen him.
Speaker 1: I think Solid kept on saying over and over, oh
Speaker 1: that we you haven't seen the last of Wilson this
Speaker 1: year and all this, But I think that was all bologny.
Speaker 1: This guy, like you said, you got a chance to
Speaker 1: come in here today, and you know when they had
Speaker 1: that fumble recovery and once again they came out lame,
Speaker 1: they only got three points. And then after that, you know,
Speaker 1: the defense was just pathetic, both rushing and passing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, he had his opportunity here and
Speaker 1: he was just I think, and this is where you
Speaker 1: can with Wilson. You can get too far in on
Speaker 1: burying him. Although as a number two overall pick, he
Speaker 1: is as bad as any Jet quarterback of of high
Speaker 1: draft regard has ever been. But I really do think
Speaker 1: he affects both sides of the ball with this particular team.
Speaker 1: And you could say that's a bad look for the Jets, um,
Speaker 1: but I do think the defense, Um, you feed off
Speaker 1: that that negative energy around what's happening with the offense.
Speaker 1: And and this was kind of like v Zach Wilson
Speaker 1: showcase game of everything that's wrong with him, missing open throws,
Speaker 1: not running when he can run, cutting the ball loose, uh,
Speaker 1: and just throwing it up for grabs even though there
Speaker 1: was no reason to do so. Um. You know, this
Speaker 1: is just the type of stuff that you know, not
Speaker 1: reading certain plays like the the blitzer on that first
Speaker 1: drive after the Quentin Williams sack and fumble. Um, this
Speaker 1: is it was all laid out there and laid out
Speaker 1: there bare and Chris Traveler comes in, uh and replaces
Speaker 1: Zack Wilson. And and we were talking about it if
Speaker 1: you follow on Instagram. Uh, me and my dad got
Speaker 1: on at halftime and said, there's no reason Zack Wilson
Speaker 1: should even um return to this game. He's got to
Speaker 1: be benched. But I think some of it and he
Speaker 1: eventually was bench of course, midway through the third quarter,
Speaker 1: but some of it that I think was Sala painted
Speaker 1: himself into a corner. Uh. And this is where you
Speaker 1: can get into trouble defending a guy publicly that you
Speaker 1: don't believe in. And he said, you know, everybody, this
Speaker 1: is an instant coffee world, and everybody wants this kid
Speaker 1: to you know, he's gonna be a good quarterback. And
Speaker 1: then he delivers that first half performance and it makes
Speaker 1: the coach look bad and it and you could tell
Speaker 1: the deflating nature it has on the whole team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can definitely see that. But and what in particular
Speaker 1: what you see is you know how the teammates, the
Speaker 1: Jet teammates are so excited when White is in their quarterbacking,
Speaker 1: you know they you know, they're it's a whole different look.
Speaker 1: The team is, you know, much shopper. He reads the
Speaker 1: defense very quickly. He's got and he's got a lot
Speaker 1: of guts the way he plays, and he really won
Speaker 1: that team over. And you know, Wilson had it was
Speaker 1: in a really badly bad position after that, but you know,
Speaker 1: given a second chance, and the way this all went down,
Speaker 1: I know the weather was bad, but you know, Lawrence
Speaker 1: didn't have any trouble throwing a ball. So that's the key.
Speaker 1: And that's like, you know, that's the other part and
Speaker 1: this stuff, I'm I was telling it to you yesterday, Dad.
Speaker 1: In fact, like I'm sick of talking about the Jets
Speaker 1: is a sad sack organization that you know, let's go
Speaker 1: over the list of all the terrible things that have
Speaker 1: happened to the Jets and all the things that have
Speaker 1: gone wrong and all the low lights, like you could
Speaker 1: get kind of caught up in that and almost celebrated
Speaker 1: as Jets fan. I'm over that. I just want to
Speaker 1: see this team big, good again. But it just seems
Speaker 1: it's funny how the the way things work with this organization.
Speaker 1: That again, I think Zack Wilson the clock struck midnight,
Speaker 1: if you want to call his Cinderella story anything other
Speaker 1: than actually a horror story. The fact that it happened
Speaker 1: with Trevor Lawrence the number one pick in when he
Speaker 1: was the number two pick on the field, and Lawrence
Speaker 1: just looks like a star. I mean, just we we've
Speaker 1: been talking about this for weeks on a t N now,
Speaker 1: uh that he just looks like he's a guy that
Speaker 1: is ready to take the league by storm. And and
Speaker 1: at one point when he was, you know, putting the
Speaker 1: Jets away with a second half drive in this game, um,
Speaker 1: I was thinking about, like, when's the last time you
Speaker 1: saw a young quarterback that just looks so naturally in command?
Speaker 1: And it made me think of Andrew Luck in his
Speaker 1: early Colts days. And it's like, oh, yeah, Andrew Luck,
Speaker 1: who everyone compared Trevor Lawrence to come out of college,
Speaker 1: is the can't miss prospect. He is a can't miss guy, dad,
Speaker 1: And it's just such a bummer that Wilson was picked
Speaker 1: right behind the Jets because have one loss or an
Speaker 1: upset win, I should say, over the Rams, things could
Speaker 1: have been totally different. It's it's tough to live with that, dad,
Speaker 1: when you know that he could have been yours. And
Speaker 1: not to mention Justin Fields has taken after Zack Wilson
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, I mean, you know, it just seems
Speaker 1: like although last year the Jets drafted pretty well, excellent
Speaker 1: with everything every position except the QB, you know, and
Speaker 1: if they only would have got that right, and you know,
Speaker 1: you can see what you know, winning seven or this
Speaker 1: year was nobody even expected that, but we all got
Speaker 1: so high with them. Uh, the way the Jets were
Speaker 1: playing and the three tough losses before this one, we're
Speaker 1: really you know, I think what most Jet fans were
Speaker 1: still hanging in there to say, hey, look we have
Speaker 1: a chance, even going down to stretch here and even
Speaker 1: Solid kept saying that it and his interviews that hey,
Speaker 1: look this team can still do it. But unfortunately, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, the clock did strike midnight. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: think and now to defend Wilson just a little bit.
Speaker 1: Part of the reason why the Jets have went from
Speaker 1: seven and four and seven and eight is the offensive line,
Speaker 1: which is really not good. That's something they need to
Speaker 1: attack aggressively, uh, to shore that up. They also obviously
Speaker 1: need to get healthy. That would help. The running game
Speaker 1: has not been the same since Breeze Hall went out.
Speaker 1: I thought Bam Knight gave them a little bit of
Speaker 1: a jump start initially when he hit the scene, but
Speaker 1: he's been very quiet the last couple of weeks. And
Speaker 1: you know, when they do make the move to to
Speaker 1: put in a new quarterback, they put in Chris strievel Er.
Speaker 1: Straveler and I I don't even know what the guy
Speaker 1: looked like. I didn't even you know, we're hardcore Jets fans, like,
Speaker 1: who is this guy? He actually looked like a guy
Speaker 1: who had just busted out of the state penitentiary in Trent,
Speaker 1: and he had a little bit edge to me, had
Speaker 1: arm arm, sleeves of tattoos, and you could see he
Speaker 1: brought some edge to the offense, moved them in the
Speaker 1: first drive that ended up stalling in the in the
Speaker 1: red zone more yards than Wilson did in seven drives,
Speaker 1: which you know, let's spin over to the Jaguars nowadab
Speaker 1: just because Straveler did not get them in the end zone.
Speaker 1: In fact, man, he has a wide, wide, wide open
Speaker 1: uh tie was it? C j Uzamau on a broken
Speaker 1: play and if he just hits Usama and stride or
Speaker 1: just you know, hits him upright, he goes into the
Speaker 1: end zone and it's sixteen ten with eight minutes to
Speaker 1: go or whatever, and the stadium is alive again ten
Speaker 1: minutes ago. Maybe just wasn't meant to be. So the
Speaker 1: Jack's catch a break there. But in general with the Jaguars,
Speaker 1: we know Lawrence is the real deal. Now, um, we
Speaker 1: know Travis Atien is a real deal running back, you
Speaker 1: see that. We know that they have guys that can
Speaker 1: make plays in the passing game at wide receivers A
Speaker 1: Jones and Marvin Jones, Um, Christian kirk Evan Ingram, Now
Speaker 1: Dad has really stepped up. And he was a Giant's
Speaker 1: first round pick who never lived up to expectations. He
Speaker 1: shredded them in this game seven catches on eight targets
Speaker 1: for a hundred and thirteen yards. Every time they needed
Speaker 1: a big play, it seemed like Ingram was there wide open.
Speaker 1: It appeared most of the time. Whatever. You know, the
Speaker 1: Jaguars did a very good job of coaching and figuring
Speaker 1: out how to go attack the Jets defense. Because the
Speaker 1: Jet defense, which has been playing so well, they seemed
Speaker 1: to know exactly what to do. They were sticking with
Speaker 1: the run, but when they did pass or when Lawrence ran,
Speaker 1: it was like easy right. I mean, it was like
Speaker 1: no sweat. There's just a lot of talent on the
Speaker 1: team and it started out very shaky in terms of
Speaker 1: offensive line play. On that first possession, the Jets get
Speaker 1: immediate pressure on Lawrence. Like I said, Quentin Williams gets
Speaker 1: the sack fumble. UM. But the Jacks defense, uh theme
Speaker 1: all night, stands up and they go three and out
Speaker 1: the Jets. Uh. And then that was it. They gave
Speaker 1: up a field goal based on a short field turnover
Speaker 1: by the offense, the only in the game by the Jaguars.
Speaker 1: Jaguars didn't really have any penalties in this game. Uh.
Speaker 1: Playing in rain conditions and wet conditions. Um, the ball
Speaker 1: got loose a couple of times, but it was just
Speaker 1: that one turnover. This is a team that's playing very
Speaker 1: sound football, a team that obviously now believes and man,
Speaker 1: I would believe too, because on the night now that
Speaker 1: they beat the Jets and moved to seven and eight,
Speaker 1: and that is their third straight win in four out
Speaker 1: of five. Uh. For the Jags, we learned on the
Speaker 1: same day that Ryan Tannehill is out for the year
Speaker 1: for the Titans, so that team is now laid pretty
Speaker 1: much bear without their veteran quarterback. Um. And now you
Speaker 1: have the Jaguars getting the Texans next week, and we
Speaker 1: don't need to book things, but we will book this one. Um.
Speaker 1: I feel like you're gonna see them take care of
Speaker 1: business in that game on New Year's Day and they're
Speaker 1: gonna get uh to eight and eight. And then they
Speaker 1: have the Titans on the last week of the season.
Speaker 1: And I just think anybody that's following both of these
Speaker 1: teams right now, the Titans and the Jags, you know
Speaker 1: exactly where this appears to be heading. Where the Jags
Speaker 1: are most likely gonna win out here, and they're gonna
Speaker 1: if they do that, they will hit the playoffs in
Speaker 1: a five game winning streak, playing a home game with
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence a ending in a second year. So all
Speaker 1: is well in jacks Land, in jets Land. That I
Speaker 1: gotta say, you know, you know, you come to California
Speaker 1: with Mom and it's a great time. We're having a
Speaker 1: wonderful time as a family. Um. We watched The Godfather,
Speaker 1: uh last night, we watched some Christmas movies. Um Mom
Speaker 1: made her or you know, iconic spaghetti and meatballs tonight,
Speaker 1: So we had that in the third quarter. So things
Speaker 1: aren't all bad. We got a new puppy that showed
Speaker 1: up on the scene, the Captain or cap or Cappy
Speaker 1: for short. Uh, name that because we picked him up
Speaker 1: from um the shelter the foster Mom. On the same day,
Speaker 1: Iron Judge was named Captain. So as bad as the
Speaker 1: Jets are, Papa, I think there are a lot of
Speaker 1: reasons to be happy as well during this holiday season. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like like I said, you know, I think most Jet
Speaker 1: fans were all disappointed what has happened. But you know what,
Speaker 1: it's been a pretty good season, uh in terms of
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of progressive progress with a lot
Speaker 1: of new players that look really good. Uh. And other
Speaker 1: than a quarterback position which has been disappointing, you know.
Speaker 1: And I gotta take my hat off to the Jaguars
Speaker 1: again because you know, the Jaguars. Anytime any NFL team
Speaker 1: has to go on the road and it's bad weather,
Speaker 1: and you know what, they had it all together and
Speaker 1: you've got to give them a lot of credit. Foot
Speaker 1: away they played and I though there are a lot
Speaker 1: of good UH candidates that for a Coach of the Year.
Speaker 1: But Doug Peterson, the guy who won his Super Bowl
Speaker 1: with the Eagles kind of got run out of town there.
Speaker 1: That what he's been able to do to kind of
Speaker 1: provide them with stability, he makes sense to me, especially
Speaker 1: if they end up taking this division. And I know
Speaker 1: Justin's producing right now, and we don't need to bring
Speaker 1: him on Mike because he's he sees the freight train
Speaker 1: coming right now, and I'm just gonna give him a
Speaker 1: little distance to understand that because he knows this is
Speaker 1: this seems like it's the Jags time in this division,
Speaker 1: which is bad news for the Around the NFL podcast
Speaker 1: because we had forked they were one of the teams
Speaker 1: that we forked, Dad, like, when we picked teams about
Speaker 1: midway through the season that have in our minds no
Speaker 1: chance of making the playoffs, and the Jaguars are one
Speaker 1: of those teams. And and then the Titans stopped winning
Speaker 1: and the Jaguars mostly have stopped losing. So here we
Speaker 1: are trying to figure out the exactly Uh, Doug. So
Speaker 1: that's it, Dad. I'm trying to spend positive that life
Speaker 1: is good in general. Being a Jets fan in December.
Speaker 1: This year is bad, as it's been for many Decembers,
Speaker 1: but in recent years it's been all the months, not
Speaker 1: just this December. And I think as bad as I said,
Speaker 1: to kind of put a bow on it, what I
Speaker 1: said at the top of the show, Wilson, there was
Speaker 1: a scenario here where Mike White stays in the line
Speaker 1: up to the end of the season and gives them
Speaker 1: some up and down play, more up than down, but
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, the bottom of the league's starter
Speaker 1: or really good backup level play. And then they go
Speaker 1: into the offseason not quite sure what to do. Mike
Speaker 1: White's a free agent, Zach Wilson under contract, and maybe
Speaker 1: they go band aid rap band aid route and go
Speaker 1: get a Andy Dalton type guy and have we're gonna compete.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have Andy Dalton. Just using him as a
Speaker 1: random example, but you know what I'm saying, We're gonna
Speaker 1: have Andy Dalton compete with Zack Wilson in Zack's third year,
Speaker 1: and we feel like he has a chance to make
Speaker 1: big strides. We've really liked what we've seen from him
Speaker 1: in the UH summer program. No, I don't think any
Speaker 1: of that's happening with Zach Wilson. And I think tonight
Speaker 1: will be remembered as the night the organization turned the
Speaker 1: page on Zack Wilson. And when they do that, they're
Speaker 1: gonna go get a quarterback, a veteran quarterback, in the
Speaker 1: off season, and we're gonna take this team and we're
Speaker 1: gonna bring back Resall and we're gonna bring back this
Speaker 1: defense with a quarterback that's a professional and look out, Papa.
Speaker 1: So maybe brighter times ahead. And we needed this loss
Speaker 1: to spin forward as an organization and a fan base.
Speaker 1: How about that for a spin? Dad? I like that.
Speaker 1: I like that a lot. Alright, Dad, let's uh, what
Speaker 1: are we watching tonight? What are we gonna do? We're gonna, uh,
Speaker 1: we have so many options. Now we watch The Godfather.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll watch that the offer that show on Paramount Plus.
Speaker 1: That's about the making of The Godfather. That's right, that's
Speaker 1: sort of why we watched The Godfather, which I've seen
Speaker 1: so many times that as you know, when knew those
Speaker 1: lines back and forth, it seems I was gonna I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, that's that's one of your most well
Speaker 1: known traits. Within the family, not just our family, but
Speaker 1: the extended family. Your love of the Godfather, which I
Speaker 1: think in some ways, uh is why the lock Father
Speaker 1: has come into exist existence on around the NFL. What
Speaker 1: is it that about the Godfather? Because I feel like
Speaker 1: you sometimes even use it as a compass in life, uh,
Speaker 1: in terms of how to deal with people in business.
Speaker 1: Is there an element to that that that's why you
Speaker 1: like the Godfather so much? Well, you know it has
Speaker 1: it has the family aspect of it. But you know
Speaker 1: the biggest thing is you know that you know the
Speaker 1: lines and everything that are any actors in it make
Speaker 1: it so special the way it's done. But those lines
Speaker 1: that everyone knows, all those short ones that you can
Speaker 1: fit into situations of I don't care what job you have,
Speaker 1: that will fit And that's what makes it always special,
Speaker 1: I think, and that's why a lot of people use
Speaker 1: those things. And what is the line that he says
Speaker 1: to Fraido that I feel like you've said many times
Speaker 1: through the year, is about you know who you should
Speaker 1: be loyal to? What does he say about the Uh? Well,
Speaker 1: the loyal but you know what that's well, what fraid
Speaker 1: but you should always be you know, you always got
Speaker 1: to be loyal to the family. But when everyone's family,
Speaker 1: you never go against what. Don't ever speak up against
Speaker 1: the family again. You're my older brother and I love you,
Speaker 1: but don't ever take sides with anyone against the family again.
Speaker 1: But you know one of the you know, the the
Speaker 1: there's so many funny lines in that that I just
Speaker 1: I can't even think of all the ones that have
Speaker 1: gone right now. But yeah, that the way it rolls.
Speaker 1: I think anybody that has watched that movie that they'll
Speaker 1: say exactly what I'm saying just minutes ago. Alright, beautiful, alright, Dad,
Speaker 1: thank you for joining joining me tonight. Dad, thank you
Speaker 1: to everyone for listening to the hashtag Kansas Cast recapping
Speaker 1: another very disappointing Jets loss. But in the big picture,
Speaker 1: maybe it's a win. And for the Jaguars, there's no
Speaker 1: big picture picture needed. This is a team that's rolling.
Speaker 1: We will be back as a podcast on Saturday, Christmas Eve.
Speaker 1: We will be doing a um rundown of the afternoon games,
Speaker 1: the early and late games. Uh Saturday Christmas Eve, you
Speaker 1: will get a full episode of Around the NFL Dark
Speaker 1: on Sunday. We'll be watching the games on Christmas Day
Speaker 1: and then we'll be back with another mini recap of
Speaker 1: the Christmas Eve night game and then the three Christmas
Speaker 1: Day games Monday morning. So a lot of content come
Speaker 1: in your way. Make sure you check it out, all right,
Speaker 1: that's it, alright, Yeah, it was excellent, Dad. I wish
Speaker 1: it was under better circumstances, but we've come to expect
Speaker 1: these things on someone. Yeah, it seems alright, everybody, until
Speaker 1: next time. You know what you gotta do, Heat the call.