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Speaker 1: Hey listeners, Niminy here, host of historical records. Get ready

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Speaker 1: to hear about a historical hero through hip hop. Also

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Speaker 1: parents and teachers. You can download a free activity related

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Speaker 1: to today's episode by visiting story pirates dot com slash

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Speaker 1: Historical records, and.

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Speaker 2: Now onto the show. After a few words for the grownups.

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Speaker 3: We're sorry the number you have died has been disconnected

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Speaker 3: and it's all your fault.

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Speaker 2: My fault. How is it my fault?

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Speaker 3: It's certainly not my fault, so it must be yours.

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Speaker 3: That concludes this pre recorded message.

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Speaker 2: Nothing in this lab ever works for me, and it's

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Speaker 2: not like I.

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Speaker 1: Can call anybody to fix anything when the phones are

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Speaker 1: always broken and exploding.

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Speaker 2: The phones are always exploding. You know what I've had

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Speaker 2: it with.

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Speaker 1: I'm the one that has to live in a secret

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Speaker 1: underground bunker slash laboratory with harsh lighting.

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Speaker 2: Leaky pipes, and that phantom train sound.

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Speaker 1: There are no train tracks four miles where is that

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Speaker 1: coming from?

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 1: I'm taking it upon myself to fix every single thing wrong.

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Speaker 2: With this place. This whole lab is getting.

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Speaker 1: Nemified or niminy, Fine, maybe maybe nimificent. You know what

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Speaker 1: naming things is in my strong suit. This whole place

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Speaker 1: is getting the neckover.

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Speaker 3: It's historical.

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Speaker 4: You are now listening to historical.

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Speaker 5: Were to make history, you got to have struggles. To

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Speaker 5: make history, you got to show pois cannot be quiet

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Speaker 5: loud as the riot to make history, you gotta make

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Speaker 5: some noise.

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Speaker 1: Eh. Welcome back to Historical Records, the show where I

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Speaker 1: dig into the historical records in order to produce historically

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Speaker 1: themed records, which are like digital music files, except you

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Speaker 1: can accidentally spill your drink on them. Today's episode is

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Speaker 1: all about legendary basketball icon Bill Russell. But before we

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Speaker 1: get to mister Russell and his eleven championship rings, I'm

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Speaker 1: just putting the finishing touches on my own personal modifications

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Speaker 1: to the laboratory phone lines. All it took was sixty

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Speaker 1: four empty soup cans, thirty two discarded piano wires, and

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Speaker 1: sixteen milliliters of excess elbow grease. I should really see

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Speaker 1: an elbow doctor. But before that, let's try making a call.

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Speaker 3: Hello Lee, Resident historians, le.

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Speaker 2: It's niminy from work. Looks like the phones are final.

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Speaker 2: Oh so this is a phone.

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Speaker 3: I was wondering why the empty soupcan in my room

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Speaker 3: was ringed, and why all my ship disappeared?

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 3: I didn't think I was in the Bill Ruffle episode.

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Speaker 2: Oh you're not. You're just in this part.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay. I'm always happy to get some nice meaty

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Speaker 3: limes or should I say soon be lime.

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Speaker 2: That's enough for now, see you next week. Ah.

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Speaker 1: With all my modifications, this place is really starting to

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Speaker 1: feel like a bunker of my very own.

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Speaker 2: I've got the.

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Speaker 1: Soupcan phones, the Niminy neon ambient letty, and I've even

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Speaker 1: got custom stickers with my name on it sticker slab.

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Speaker 1: I don't even mind the fact that all these stickers

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Speaker 1: say historical records with memony instead of niminy. The important

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Speaker 1: thing is that the laboratory isn't falling apart anymore.

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Speaker 6: Labor or destruct, start to hide, self.

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Speaker 2: Destruct, start a FID no time to hit the emergency

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Speaker 2: override shutdown hammer.

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Speaker 6: Smash laboratory self destruct sequence, stapfied robot voice?

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Speaker 2: What was that?

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Speaker 6: Stapfied is a new word I'm trying out miminy.

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Speaker 2: It's memony with an N.

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Speaker 6: Not according to these unauthorized stickers. Your motifications to the

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Speaker 6: laboratory have resulted in eleven code violations.

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Speaker 1: Since when do you care so much about code violations?

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Speaker 6: The year was nineteen ninety two, acid washed genes and

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Speaker 7: Where all the.

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Speaker 1: Rage I'm meant in the context of what's happening now understood.

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Speaker 6: Every secret laboratory is highly regulated by the Secret Laboratory

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Speaker 6: Owners Association or SLOWER for short. Their strict codes must

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Speaker 6: conducted the point of clarification, the quarterly inspection is different

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Speaker 6: than the quarter inspection, where they make sure that US

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Speaker 2: My quarters are organized by year.

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Speaker 6: Additional code violation. I advise you to correct all violations

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Speaker 6: before the inspection.

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Speaker 2: My improvements code violations.

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Speaker 1: Improvements benefit all of us. Besides this, all place was

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Speaker 2: SLOWA would have just let the place break down.

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Speaker 6: I am not permitted to agree, as sloa's codes are

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Speaker 1: And if SLOWA finds out what's the worst that could happen.

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Speaker 6: They will overtake our sound system and play NonStop talk radio.

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Speaker 2: That's not so bad. I kind of like talking.

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Speaker 6: When the entire combination bunker slash laboratory will self destruct,

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Speaker 6: that's terrible, agreed.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, I hear you loud and clear.

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Speaker 1: I'll start in the library. Why don't you work on removing.

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Speaker 6: The stickers blowing stick fingernails?

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Speaker 2: Sh ew.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know how to describe what I'm seeing

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 6: I thought you wanted my help.

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Speaker 2: Gotta go, Gabe, open up the library.

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Speaker 8: It's me, Hey, niminy, it's Gabe.

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Speaker 1: Resident historian weird Lisa said that earlier too.

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Speaker 8: Really who said it better?

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Speaker 2: I don't care. I know who both of you are.

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Speaker 8: Let me in, sure, come on in. Hey did the

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Speaker 8: power go out for you a little while ago?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it wasn't my fault. Look, we've got a problem.

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Speaker 2: Can robot voice hear anything we say in here?

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Speaker 8: No nobody can hear anything. I've been calling out for

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Speaker 8: a glass of orange juice for hours, and you're holding

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Speaker 8: a glass of apple juice. I mean I'll still drink it.

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Speaker 8: I'm thirsty, not me.

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Speaker 2: I just had apple juice. We have to get out

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Speaker 1: Robot wants me to undo all the improvements I've made

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Speaker 1: to the lab just because the Secret Laboratory Owners Association

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Speaker 1: doesn't like the way I organize my quarters.

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Speaker 8: You don't organize them by state.

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Speaker 1: I organize them by year. Uh, maybe it's not even

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Speaker 1: worth putting up a fight. What do you think?

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Speaker 8: I think the way you organize your quarters is insane.

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Speaker 8: But I also think it's important for you to fight

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Speaker 8: for what you believe in. You know, there's someone whose

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Speaker 8: story might be able to help. I bet making a

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Speaker 2: That's a great idea.

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Speaker 1: Let's get in the history simulator which, Uh where is it?

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Speaker 2: Did you move it or something?

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Speaker 8: I made it a little bit more portable this time

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Speaker 8: around here, put on this poncho.

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Speaker 1: Okay, hey, this is pretty comfortable as far as history

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Speaker 2: You've really outdone yourself.

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Speaker 8: Oh that's not it. The new History simulator is a

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Speaker 8: large cooler of electrolyte infused sports drink kroc O Raid.

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Speaker 8: It works by pouring it all over ourselves. The poncho

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Speaker 2: Is it too late to get Lee to help me? Instead?

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Speaker 8: It's way too late. Sports drinks simulate history Kroco go, Well, folks,

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Speaker 8: things for heating up here in this nineteen sixty nine

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Speaker 8: NBA Championship series. But what else would you expect from

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Speaker 8: Game seven of this heated matchup between the Los Angeles

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Speaker 8: Lakers and the Boston Celtics. I'm calling it now. This

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Speaker 8: will be a game that goes down in history game.

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Speaker 1: What are you doing announcing the game? You might mess

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Speaker 8: This is a history simulator, not a time machine. Let's

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Speaker 8: have some fun here. Get on the mic.

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Speaker 9: Uh.

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Speaker 2: That one guy on the yellow team.

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Speaker 8: Half the ball, Wilt Chamberlain, Yeah, him, And now he's

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Speaker 1: He's pulling up to shoot, and he just.

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Speaker 9: Got to not why bye by the heart of that

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Speaker 9: stout Boston defense and the man that we both came

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Speaker 9: here to watch, Bill Russell, bid us to Bill.

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Speaker 2: Russells Oh, his coach is gonna love that hustle.

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Speaker 8: Fun bit of trivia. He is the coach.

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Speaker 2: Who is Bill Russell, the same one who's playing.

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Speaker 8: That's right partner. He's a player and the head coach,

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Speaker 8: the first black head coach of a major American sports league.

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Speaker 1: Ooh, another strong block from the head coach Bill Russell,

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Speaker 1: How can you not like that imposing style of defense?

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Speaker 8: Not everyone always saw it that way. Back when he

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Speaker 8: was still playing college ball at the University of San Francisco,

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Speaker 8: his coach has tried to change the way he played.

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Speaker 8: Defenders were supposed to stay planted and never leave their feet,

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Speaker 8: but he had amazing quickness for leaping ability, especially for

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Speaker 2: It's safe to say he ignored that advice.

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Speaker 8: Oh, he knew it worked for him, so he kept

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Speaker 8: watching other players footwork, adjusted and improved his own defense

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Speaker 8: to create something entirely new, kind of like my history

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Speaker 8: simulator system that could still use a little more improvement.

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Speaker 8: I don't see how ponchos and gallons of kroco raid

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Speaker 1: Bill Russell's belief in his own game really changed everyone's game. Pump.

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Speaker 8: He was so dominant the NCAA even changed the rules today.

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Speaker 2: When you're that good, who's gonna stop you?

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Speaker 9: Certainly not these Lakers.

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Speaker 8: Bill Russell's about to take down his greatest rival, Wilt Chamberlain,

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Speaker 8: to win his eleventh championship. I know that's not what

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Speaker 8: this LA craft wants to hear. But where will the

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Speaker 8: future so deal with it. The eighties will be much

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Speaker 8: better Laker Nation. Bill Russell's life was about to be

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Speaker 8: much more than just basketball, though. Let's take a look, Nimity,

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Speaker 8: hold your breast?

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Speaker 2: Huh? Why would I need to hold my breac and

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Speaker 2: go blah? You need to warn me before doing that.

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Speaker 8: I told you to hold your breath.

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Speaker 1: Oh, come on, let's see if this coffee shop has

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Speaker 1: any fresh towels.

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Speaker 2: My poncho can only keep me so dry.

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Speaker 8: Nah, niminy. We might not want to go inside this

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Speaker 8: coffee shop. It's not exactly the most welcoming place.

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Speaker 2: Huh. Then why did we come here? Hey? Is it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: That's Bill, ma'am. My teammates and I just want to

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Speaker 10: order a cup of coffee.

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Speaker 6: Well, you'd best look somewhere else because we don't serve

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Speaker 6: negroes here.

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Speaker 2: Uh, Gay, what year is it?

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Speaker 8: It's nineteen sixty one. This is Lexington, Kentucky, where the

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Speaker 8: Celtics were scheduled to play an exhibition game against the Hawks.

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Speaker 2: In a town that treats people like that. There's no

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Speaker 2: way he plays right. Don't do it, Bill. They don't

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Speaker 2: deserve you.

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Speaker 8: He can't hear you. We're not announcers. Anymore. This time

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Speaker 8: we're ghosts. For what ghosts? They're floating and see through?

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Speaker 8: Have you really never heard of ghosts before?

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Speaker 2: That's not what I.

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Speaker 8: Come on, ghost niminy. Let's catch up with Bill. He's

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Speaker 8: already headed over to talk to coach Auerbach.

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Speaker 10: Coach, there's no way we're playing this game. We're getting

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Speaker 10: on the plane and going home, all of us. Bill,

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Speaker 10: I understand what you're saying. The way these folks are

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Speaker 7: But don't you think we can spread your message better

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Speaker 10: We won a championship my rookie year. Then that same

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Speaker 10: They've been looking at me the same way in my

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Speaker 2: You go, Bill, you boycott that gay coach?

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Speaker 10: Did you hear a ghost just now?

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Speaker 8: But I see who goes right over there. They're wearing ponchos,

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Speaker 1: We should probably stand behind a plant or something.

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Speaker 8: I worked hard picking out this poncho. I'm not hiding

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Speaker 1: So Bill kept speaking up no matter where he went,

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Speaker 8: Speaking of eyes, would you mind closing yours?

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Speaker 2: What for croco go humph? Hey, we're in a movie theater.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, the history highlights theater. Take a seat, drinking crockerade.

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Speaker 8: Lets us see a mini highlight reel of any athlete's

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Speaker 1: Hey, that's Martin Luiser King And whoa Bill Russell marched

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Speaker 8: He sure did back in nineteen sixty three as part

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Speaker 8: Speaking out against the war wasn't necessarily the popular thing

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Speaker 2: He was everywhere, wasn't he? How far ahead are we going?

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Speaker 8: Just another few decades? We should stand up. It's almost time, believe.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, which way should we go? I don't see

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Speaker 8: There's only one way out of the history highlights theater.

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Speaker 8: Cover your ears.

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Speaker 1: Oh my ears? Okay, what the hell? Why would you

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Speaker 8: Niminy? Calm down? Look over there, Gabe.

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Speaker 2: Is that that's President Obama?

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Speaker 1: I can't believe him wearing a poncho in front of

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Speaker 8: There's no need to be embarrassed by the poncho. It's

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Speaker 8: it's the year twenty eleven and Obama's honoring Bill Russell

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Speaker 8: for all of his work, not just as a basketball player,

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Speaker 1: I can't believe how much of an impact he had

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Speaker 2: It's incredible.

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Speaker 8: And to think if he had changed the way he'd

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Speaker 1: I bet it wasn't easy for him to stand up

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Speaker 8: I agree one hundred percent, Nemy, Just like it wasn't

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Speaker 1: Actually, if I could redo one thing, it'd probably be there.

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Speaker 8: There's no time for your notes, Niminy. Let's get to

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Speaker 2: Ah.

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Speaker 8: Here we are in the studio, and everybody's happy with

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Speaker 2: Journey, Gabe, get rid of the krocle Rade.

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Speaker 8: You didn't like the flavor, Gabe, you didn't like the ponchos.

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Speaker 2: I'm going straight to Lee next time.

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Speaker 8: My own personal Wilt Chamberlain.

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Speaker 1: Okay, listeners, now that we're in the studio, it's time

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Speaker 8: We're doing my part again, the song. Oh right, right, right, right, right,

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Speaker 8: right right.

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Speaker 1: Get ready to ball out to the beat everyone. Bill

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Speaker 1: Russell may have countless records already, but this here is

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Speaker 4: What do you see as the meaning of the term revolutionary?

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Speaker 11: The revolutionary is a man or a woman who is

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Speaker 11: a lot of things, but basically, the revolutionary wants to

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Speaker 4: Before Lebron was a king, before Jordan, one rings, before

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Speaker 4: Shack and I came, and magic in Korean one man

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Speaker 4: much steam to say that man was me? Bill Russell

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Speaker 4: is the name? And how do you do thirteen years

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Speaker 4: in the game and still I only lost two times

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Speaker 4: in the finals that's eleven titles. No man in his

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Speaker 4: sport has come close to being my rival. I was

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Speaker 4: the subject of lib and prejudice, taunts, black and in Boston,

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Speaker 4: not two things that you want to be OUI cooie, yes, sir.

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Speaker 4: How did I thrive under oh so much pressure? How

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Speaker 4: did I triumph on every measure while also uniting all

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Speaker 4: to our glory? To sit down and listen, y'all, because

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Speaker 4: this here's my story.

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Speaker 12: He defends the hoop, and he defensea brite. He's a

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Speaker 12: roc and the bounced four, the fresh City. He goes

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Speaker 4: My youth, you could say it was a little bit rough.

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Speaker 4: Mama died at twelve, and Dad he went gruff, grew

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Speaker 4: up dirt board, and there was never enough. My only

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Speaker 4: hope was the hoop and get tough, so hoop that

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Speaker 4: I did so. University of San Francisco old centers went slow,

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Speaker 4: but me, I was nimble. They changed rules to put

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Speaker 4: me through some pitfalls. I juked the gears and still

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Speaker 4: guess what we still won? Then I won eight more.

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Speaker 4: Celtics made me the coach while also still playing. That's right,

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Speaker 4: I did both five mbps. I as an absolute baller,

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Speaker 12: He defends the and he defends on right. He's a

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Speaker 8: They're the champion. After five he bounced the rouco and

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Speaker 12: He goes down the court, and he goes down in history.

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Speaker 4: I am Bill Russell, most athletic on the court, but

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Speaker 4: I still hustle and I will tussle with any man

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Speaker 4: who stands in the way of progress. And that's in

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Speaker 4: the lane in the streets. In the Congress sixty one,

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Speaker 4: an exhibition game the Celtics versus the Hawks of Lexington, Kentucky.

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Speaker 4: We expected curses when we went to a cafe to

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Speaker 4: refuse the surface A curve, yes, for sure, but still

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Speaker 4: we had a purpose shown with these boys gods, so

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Speaker 4: we let a boycott, put.

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Speaker 2: Their fetus of the furnace.

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Speaker 4: We made noises, truth to the surface. We hit them

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Speaker 4: MLK met with Muhammad Ali just to mold a better day.

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Speaker 4: If they threatened your rights, well then you must get

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Speaker 12: And he defends are bright. He's a champion on the court,

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Speaker 12: He goes down the cort and he goes down in

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Speaker 2: And he defends are right.

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Speaker 12: He's a champion on the court and a champion side.

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Speaker 8: He read down up and read bounced the first city.

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Speaker 12: He goes down the course and he goes down in history.

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back after a few words for the

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Speaker 1: O Gabe, I'm still feeling that song.

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Speaker 8: I'm feeling inspired me too.

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Speaker 1: I think I finally got the courage to tell Robot

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Speaker 1: it means we have to listen to NonStop talk radio.

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Speaker 8: No talk radio. It's too horrible.

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Speaker 1: I know, Gabe, I know I'll do everything in my

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Speaker 2: I'm back, robot voice. I've been doing some thinking.

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Speaker 6: Another LOA violation.

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Speaker 2: Just hold on a minute. MM. SLOA doesn't have our

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Speaker 1: They set out rules for countless secret labs and bunkers

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Speaker 2: There's no way for them to know what we need

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Speaker 1: So even if I'm not supposed to, I'm still going

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Speaker 1: to make improvements to this place because they'll make all

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Speaker 6: I'm convincing an argument, miminy. However, the SLOWA protocol in

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Speaker 6: my programming prevents me from being convinced.

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Speaker 2: I thought about that too. Let me install something I.

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Speaker 1: Called the FASTA override, the Fetichini Alfredo shortcut transfer.

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Speaker 2: Of authority spaghetti science. What's this upgrade?

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Speaker 1: You'll be able to circumvent any slower restrictions.

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Speaker 6: Right, you are my wires good Genie, and I love it.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 2: I didn't ask you to do the Italian accent. You

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Speaker 2: did not, so we can keep the changes.

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Speaker 6: We may keep the changes, Imny, although you must reorganize

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Speaker 6: your quarters by state, and.

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Speaker 2: What about the quarters that don't have states?

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Speaker 6: You may take those to the arcade and win me

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Speaker 6: a tiny basketball who that's actually.

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Speaker 2: A pretty good idea.

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Speaker 1: I will do that, But first, let's wrap up this

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Speaker 1: episode with an interview between an incredible kid named Messiah,

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Speaker 1: an NBA legend Jalen Rose.

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Speaker 6: Good idea.

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Speaker 2: Croco go Kroco go. No, no, no, wait, not again.

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Speaker 1: Today we're talking with former professional basketball and co founder

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Speaker 1: talking with Messiah, a fourteen year old who attends his

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Speaker 1: Bill Russell passed away at age eighty eight, leaving a

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Speaker 7: Hey, mister Rose, how you doing.

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Speaker 13: Thank you Messiah for taking the time to not only

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Speaker 1: Hey Messiah, do you want to ask Jaalen a question

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Speaker 1: about Bill Russell?

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Speaker 7: How do you think Bill Russell's legacy left the mark

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Speaker 7: on the world.

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Speaker 13: I'll talk sports initially, so many times when you talk

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Speaker 13: about who's the best, people don't actually digest, think about

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Speaker 13: what they've seen, take all of the information in and

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Speaker 14: What people now do is ring count.

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Speaker 13: So when you say Tom Brady's the goat, you're gonna

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Speaker 13: say it because he got seven rings. Michael George the

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Speaker 13: goat because he has six rings. But here's the unique

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Speaker 13: thing about Bill Russell. He has more rings than any

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Speaker 13: athlete ever eleven as a player and also as the

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Speaker 13: first black coach in the NBA as well, And so

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Speaker 13: I don't see an athlete surpassing what he accomplished.

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Speaker 14: As it relates to rings.

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Speaker 13: Analytics have now in a lot of ways become the

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Speaker 13: calling card for athletics, which now we just only look

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Speaker 13: at your championship rings and not judge you as a

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Speaker 13: human being.

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Speaker 7: Outside of basketball, he also was a civil rights activist,

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Speaker 7: like he was a leader.

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Speaker 13: When you start to speak about activism, that means you

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Speaker 13: have an opinion, and it gives people a chance to say, well,

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Speaker 13: I just like the way you play basketball. I really

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Speaker 13: don't want to hear your opinion. That's really what I'm

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Speaker 13: saying when I tell you to shut up and dribble.

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Speaker 13: And so Bill Russell was the first person to acknowledge

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Speaker 13: that I'm going to be the greatest champion and the

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Speaker 13: greatest spokesman, and that wasn't encouraged. That wasn't the route

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Speaker 13: that he took for stardom, and I'm grateful.

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Speaker 2: For that, Massiah.

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Speaker 1: What are you curious to learn about Jalen's experience as

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Speaker 1: an athlete?

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Speaker 7: What would you say was the most challenging thing about

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Speaker 7: your journey to become a basketball player and how did

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Speaker 7: you overcome those challenges?

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Speaker 13: See, the most challenging thing about being a basketball players

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Speaker 13: people and athletes sometimes don't put themselves as a human

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Speaker 13: being first. The thing I always try to do is

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Speaker 13: be more than a jock. So I remember times when

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Speaker 13: we had late practices or games and I was like,

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Speaker 13: I'm still going to be in class tomorrow when I

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Speaker 13: know people think I'm gonna be late or try to

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Speaker 13: be absent or fill in myself because I just had

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Speaker 13: thirty five points last night.

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Speaker 14: For me, that was the toughest part.

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Speaker 13: To get people to see me as a person and

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Speaker 13: for me to have more goals than just basketball.

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Speaker 7: That's great because you got some people like in the

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Speaker 7: world that just only want to focus on basketball forcus

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Speaker 7: on one thing, but maybe if that don't work out,

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Speaker 7: you can focus on other things as well. You can

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Speaker 7: do other things in life. Somebody might play basketball, they

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Speaker 7: might want to be a doctor, be a poet, something anything.

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Speaker 13: There's no job, no career that you could solely do forever.

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Speaker 14: I don't care how good you are at it.

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Speaker 13: Doing multiple things in multiple industries is actually not only

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Speaker 13: going to be a key to your happiness, but a

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Speaker 13: function of your success.

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Speaker 1: Before we go, Jalen, how would you sum up Bill

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Speaker 1: Russell's legacy?

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Speaker 13: Bill Russell number six is iconic as a human being,

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Speaker 13: as an athlete, Eleven championships in thirteen years, one of

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Speaker 13: the most infectious smiles, the biggest laugh that you'll ever

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Speaker 13: hear in sports. One of the guys that when he spoke,

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Speaker 13: everybody listened.

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Speaker 2: Thank you both. This was a great conversation.

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Speaker 7: I just want to thank you so much for this

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Speaker 7: opportunity to just talk to you and give you an interview.

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Speaker 7: And this is great, and thank you very much.

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Speaker 14: Thank you.

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Speaker 13: I appreciate the law, stay focused, stay disciplined, in er

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Speaker 13: a learner, exit a leader.

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Speaker 1: Listeners, thanks for joining in today and for going on

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Speaker 1: a journey with me to learn all about Bill Russell

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Speaker 1: and a huge thanks to today's guests Jalen Rose and

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Speaker 1: another episode, another song, and another hero. After all, someone's

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Speaker 2: You got to make some noise. Signing off, this is Mimony,

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Speaker 2: I mean Niminy.

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Speaker 15: by Dan Foster and produced by Micah James. Special guests

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Speaker 15: Jalen Rose and Kid Interviewer Messiah. This episode features performances

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