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Speaker 1: Welcome bird Gang on today's show, wide receivers who block

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Speaker 1: and tight ends who catch. Typically it's the reverse that

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Speaker 1: Speaking of receivers, how about DeAndre Hopkins playing the role

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Speaker 1: of mentor to defensive bats. That's right, But first phase

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Speaker 1: two of training camp. It's Cardinals Covered two, Episode four

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Speaker 1: fifty four and it starts now. Welcome to Cardinals Cover

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Speaker 1: two with Craig Griolu and Mike Jarecki. Cardinals Cover two

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Speaker 1: Slash podcasts. Going for Hopkins one handed catch in a

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Speaker 1: touchdown DeAndre Hopkins. Here's Craig Griolu and Mike Jarecki. So

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Speaker 1: week number four of training camp and a little bit

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two presented by Honday probably partner of the

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. Kind of like the regular season, just the

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Speaker 1: first twenty minutes open and available to report on. We

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Speaker 1: additional players on the field earlier on Monday, team making

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Speaker 1: back James Connor, tied end El Daniels, defensive lineman Lucky

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Speaker 1: they had ninety one players in camp because of Psychovitz,

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Speaker 1: once Andy Isabella comes back, they're gonna have to make

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Speaker 1: You gotta wonder MJ. As much as we've talked about Andre,

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Speaker 1: I mean it was Larry Fitzgerald. So we talk about, yes,

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Speaker 1: they can go four wide, you know, eleven twelve personnel,

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Speaker 1: two tight ends. You got clearly got blockers there. But

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Speaker 1: if they're gonna run like they say they are, and

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Speaker 1: they're gonna run downhill and they're gonna run some outside

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Speaker 1: zone reads, you're gonna have to have some guy's block.

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Speaker 1: And I'm wondering, who's gonna take that that baton and

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Speaker 1: be that guy. It can't be just one guy. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a couple. And again I'm not saying you

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Speaker 1: have to pancakes someone, but you have to eleven on

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Speaker 1: eleven football. If one guy's not doing his job, somebody's free.

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Speaker 1: So you got to get in front of the DV

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Speaker 1: or the safety just to give your running back an

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Speaker 1: opportunity to get three to four or five yards. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: getting the way, getting away great point, getting the way

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Speaker 1: of the defender, whether that's with your hands, whether that's

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Speaker 1: with your shoulder, your body, your hips, just to get

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Speaker 1: a little bit of room for that running back to

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Speaker 1: spring forward. DeAndre Hopkins, AJ Green veterans of the game.

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Speaker 1: Maybe not physical, but they're smart enough to know that

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Speaker 1: if it's a running play and there's a guy in

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Speaker 1: front of him, cornerbacks exactly perfect, yes, because if they're

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Speaker 1: running to the right and hops on the left side,

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Speaker 1: you can shield that guy. You know, like I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: say a decoy, but as you see him running across

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Speaker 1: the field, you kind of run a little route dig

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Speaker 1: route slant even though they know they're gonna run the ball,

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Speaker 1: so you know, again shield the guy. But like you said,

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Speaker 1: just getting the way. And I think that is something

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Speaker 1: that doesn't get talked a lot about what the Hopkins

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Speaker 1: or in AJ Green. It's always about the catches and

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Speaker 1: the one handed grabs and the catching traffic. But this

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Speaker 1: team does need to be able to run the football efficiently.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't have to be two hundred yards a game, but

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Speaker 1: make sure you keep that defense honest and Chase Epmans

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Speaker 1: and James Connor, I'll throw in. You know, Benjamin and

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Board went on the field. They've looked very good

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Speaker 1: in run situations eleven on eleven during practices that have

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Speaker 1: been open to the public. There are some holes that

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Speaker 1: these offensive linemen are opening up. But if you want

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Speaker 1: to spring it to the second level, third level, then

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's those wide receivers down the

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Speaker 1: field that have to do their job because offensive linemen

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Speaker 1: are within the first five yards of the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 1: So all right, now we want to make it a

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Speaker 1: twenty yard run, Well, that's gonna mean Hopkins Green, Christian Kirk,

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Speaker 1: Keyshawn Johnson, whoever's on the field, or Rondel Moore. How

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Speaker 1: do they handle blocking? And that's something that is worked

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Speaker 1: on in training camp because we do see wide receivers

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Speaker 1: take on linebackers. We do see them as far as

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Speaker 1: working in the physicality with a corner or a safety,

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Speaker 1: but it is not something that is highlighted a lot

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Speaker 1: when it comes to wide receivers because what we do

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Speaker 1: see is a wide receiver pancake or become physical. But

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Speaker 1: I don't know if there is that wide receiver. As

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Speaker 1: I look at the wide receiver list on the Arizona Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: is there that physical wide receiver? Maybe someone surprises us

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Speaker 1: and we do have that guy that was quote unquote

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Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald for so many years. Well, Hopkins has got

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Speaker 1: a little bit different body type than AJ Green. AJ

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Speaker 1: Green's huge, Okay, he's got long legs, He's you know,

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Speaker 1: you could see his hips and his thighs are thick.

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Speaker 1: So he to me, he should be able to block

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Speaker 1: like that because he's gonna be on the outside. So

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Speaker 1: once again, just getting the way. And then you take

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Speaker 1: a look at Rondel Moore. He's probably gonna get the

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Speaker 1: ball a lot, So I don't know how much blocking

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Speaker 1: he can do. It's again, you just got to engage

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Speaker 1: on the guy. But that's something that people don't talk about.

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Speaker 1: And if this team's gonna run these outside run plays,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have the block. And again it's just engaging.

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Speaker 1: And to me, Green has the body type where he

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Speaker 1: could be that guy. Yeah, he's built a little bit

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Speaker 1: bigger than a DeAndre Hopkins six foot four two ten,

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Speaker 1: Hopkins six to one to twelve. But I do think

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Speaker 1: at that point of their careers, it's something times it's

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Speaker 1: not the most talented guy, but because of the experience,

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Speaker 1: it's the smarts, the little tricks of the trade, and

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, maybe you don't have to engage

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Speaker 1: the physicality or be rough with the guy. But as

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Speaker 1: you said, just get in the way shield, do that

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Speaker 1: little thing that sometimes that the guy that you're blocking,

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Speaker 1: whether it's a corner or a safety is not ready for,

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Speaker 1: especially if it's a younger player on defense. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: when Larry knew he wasn't getting the ball, he would

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Speaker 1: come and seal the edge and he never wanted to

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Speaker 1: knock anybody out. Obviously to hit on Sherman, he actually

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Speaker 1: helped him up. But that's just sealing the edge there

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Speaker 1: where he again, it's all you gotta do is get

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Speaker 1: in front of a guy and he can't go around you.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna try to go through you. And that's where

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Speaker 1: Larry did a really good job just kind of sealing

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Speaker 1: the edge, allowing those backs to to get to the

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Speaker 1: outside and get a five yard game and make it

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Speaker 1: a ten yard game. By the way, it's really unfortunate

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Speaker 1: we don't have a video camera recording and capturing this edition.

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Speaker 1: In this episode of Cardinals Cover too, MG very animated

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Speaker 1: with the arms, the legs and just the the shoulders

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Speaker 1: and getting really up in this chair like he's about

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Speaker 1: to explode on someone. You can be the example for

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Speaker 1: those wide receivers and show them how it's done. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm just yeah, I know we're doing a podcast, but

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Speaker 1: you're right, there should be some little GoPro over here

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Speaker 1: and like just showing me acting like an idiot so

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Speaker 1: to speak, because I'm showing Craig what I want the

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Speaker 1: ride receivers to do. That's what I was doing. So

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Speaker 1: good good on your part that you notice that. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: we'll see some of that come Friday when the Kansas

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Speaker 1: City Chiefs are in town. You like what you hear

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Speaker 1: all right, the other aspects of the offense, the tight

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Speaker 1: end position, and yeah, it's always about the blocker and

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Speaker 1: the sixth guy on the line of scrimmage, and sometimes

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Speaker 1: that happens. But I'll say this, and I mentioned it earlier,

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Speaker 1: Max Williams standing up in the slots on Friday night,

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Speaker 1: how much do we see the tight end? Yes, they're

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Speaker 1: to tight end, so it's eleven personnel or twelve personnel.

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Speaker 1: But that tight end is either split wide as a receiver,

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Speaker 1: which Max Williams has done, or split as a slot

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Speaker 1: wide receiver. How much do you think that is part

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Speaker 1: of this offense? You got your tight end on the

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Speaker 1: field to where hey, maybe they are that blocking wide receiver,

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Speaker 1: but it's a tight end because they're a little bit

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Speaker 1: bigger and they're a little bit more physical. But the

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Speaker 1: wide receiver the tight end, I should say, as a

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Speaker 1: wide receiver in this offense. And one other thing that

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Speaker 1: you and I were talking about as we were watching

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Speaker 1: the open portion or practice today was Kyler Murray eleven

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Speaker 1: to nineteen yards. I mean to me again, you get

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Speaker 1: that U shape, Give Kyler a second or two and

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Speaker 1: he can make that throw to MAXI Williams down the scene.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean that's almost ten personnel if you're

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Speaker 1: lining him up as a wide receiver versus the next

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Speaker 1: to Beacham or DJ Humphries. So all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: he's and you know how I feel the league has changed.

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Speaker 1: It's about running backs and tight ends who are now

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Speaker 1: matched up with linebackers and safeties. And that's the league now.

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Speaker 1: That and Cardinals feel like they get that matchup with

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Speaker 1: dan Ardold last year. But Max Williams he catches. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't drop a lot of balls. I know he

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Speaker 1: had to fumble in the game, but when you watch

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Speaker 1: him run his route, he's a big target out there.

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Speaker 1: So again, eleven to nineteen yards, that's where Kylo has

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Speaker 1: to show improvement. But I'm seeing him throw the ball

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Speaker 1: to the middle will feel more than we have maybe

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Speaker 1: in previous training camps. It's amazing and maybe it's a

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Speaker 1: point of phasis in training camp for this season as

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Speaker 1: far as how much we see that wide receiver, excuse me,

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Speaker 1: we see that tied end run down the middle of

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Speaker 1: the field in between the hash marks because everyone's focused

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Speaker 1: on Hopkins on one side, Greening on the other, and

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Speaker 1: where's Rondel Moore, Christian Kirk coming across the middle and

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden you lose sight of the tie

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Speaker 1: it end. Whether they're in a three point stance chipping

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Speaker 1: and then flaring out, or they're just standing as a

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Speaker 1: wide receiver and going down field. It's what we've seen

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Speaker 1: teams do against the Cardinals for a number of years.

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Speaker 1: It would be nice to be on the other end

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Speaker 1: of that seeing tie it ends. And it doesn't have

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Speaker 1: to be eighty ninety yards a game, but an effective

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Speaker 1: forty forty five, fifty fifty five yards in key moments

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Speaker 1: third and seven, maybe it's a touchdown or you catch

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Speaker 1: a defense off guard. But the amount of times that

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Speaker 1: we've seen the tight end catch passes down the seam

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Speaker 1: in training camp is something that's I'm not alone and

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Speaker 1: we're not alone, MJ. And noticing that because I do think,

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Speaker 1: if all things are are equal, that that becomes part

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Speaker 1: of this offense that we haven't seen a lot of

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Speaker 1: in years past. Yeah, and bringing in Demetrius Harris, I mean,

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Speaker 1: this guy catches the football. He may not be the

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Speaker 1: biggest guy, he catches the ball in traffic. He's willing

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Speaker 1: to die for the past and you know, and practice

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Speaker 1: and so he could be I know Max is more

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Speaker 1: of a blocker, but he also, as you said, he

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Speaker 1: can release and he's really besides dropping a ball in

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Speaker 1: the sun, he catches the ball. Harris to me, you

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Speaker 1: can also make the case that if they want to

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Speaker 1: go three wide and one tight, Harris can line up

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Speaker 1: as a wide receiver and now again linebacker safety. I'll

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Speaker 1: take my chances with Harris against that secondary. That might

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Speaker 1: just be semantics. But when you do have a tight

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Speaker 1: end line up as a wide receiver, is it officially

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Speaker 1: considered eleven personnel or is that because it's a tight

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Speaker 1: end in name that it's still I don't I mean,

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Speaker 1: when you're at the end of the season stats, Hey,

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Speaker 1: you know the Cardinals were the big it's the biggest

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Speaker 1: team to run ten personnel, But you know how many

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Speaker 1: of those ten personnels was it a tight end? Order

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Speaker 1: the account for the fact that it was a tight end,

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Speaker 1: So it becomes eleven personnel. But the tight end is

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Speaker 1: a wide receiver. Yeah, based on the NFL statistics and

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Speaker 1: stats on personnel groupings, if you have three wide receivers

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Speaker 1: in a tight end and a running back, that's eleven personnel.

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Speaker 1: I mean, whether regardless of whether they like even a

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Speaker 1: running back flex that as a as a wide receiver, right, okay, okay.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing is, we know Cliff has the

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Speaker 1: wide receivers. When they're all on the field, they can

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Speaker 1: go four wide. And then you got Chase Edmonds, he

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Speaker 1: can go in motion. He could be your fifth guy.

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Speaker 1: And that's ten personnel, four wide, one back. But don't

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Speaker 1: be surprised if you see Chase Edmonds go out there.

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Speaker 1: Now you've got five guys all running different routes, and

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Speaker 1: I can I'm pictionaring this because what was the other

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Speaker 1: thing that everyone talked about this offseason was the pre

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Speaker 1: the lowest amount of percentage of pre snap motion. I

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Speaker 1: believe the forty nine ers were the highest or second highest.

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Speaker 1: All Right, So if you're running back in the backfield

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Speaker 1: to tie up tight end in a three point stance,

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Speaker 1: and you two and your three wide receivers, well, and

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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, there's pre snap motion. The

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Speaker 1: tight end comes across and lines up in the slot,

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Speaker 1: and then the running back moves out of the backfield

646
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Speaker 1: and lines up in the slot, and all of a sudden. Whoa,

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Speaker 1: that's five wide. No, it was eleven personnel that turned

648
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Speaker 1: into five wide pre snap motion getting the defense to

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Speaker 1: react to what you want to do. And that's that

650
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Speaker 1: cat and mouse game that offensive coordinators play with defensive coordinators.

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Speaker 1: So I would like to see more of that aspect

652
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Speaker 1: of this game. If you want to really air it out,

653
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Speaker 1: but you're showing a more traditional offense and then all

654
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're breaking it and go Wait, all

655
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, Kyle Murray has got five different options.

656
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Speaker 1: He can look two on one side, three on another.

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Speaker 1: You know, I can't remember if it was the first

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Speaker 1: weekend training camp. It must have been because Connor was

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00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: obviously on the field and Chase and they had both

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Speaker 1: backs in the backfield and one winten motion. So now

661
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're taking the safety or the linebacker.

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Speaker 1: You're taking them out of the play because they got

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Speaker 1: to go out to the outside and cover or running back.

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Speaker 1: Saw a lot of two back sets on Friday against

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys as well. Now not a lot of motion

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Speaker 1: out of the backfield, but just two running backs flanking

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Speaker 1: the quarterback out of the shotgun or in the backfield

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Speaker 1: with the quarterback under center, so we're seeing different things now.

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Speaker 1: We need to make sure we see it come to

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Speaker 1: the regular season because it's that predictability and not being

671
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Speaker 1: creative enough and everything that we heard at the end

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Speaker 1: of the regular season a year ago. You know, I

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Speaker 1: do hope that self scouting came into a factor and

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Speaker 1: say we just need to show a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's maybe it's the exact same offense, but you're

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Speaker 1: giving its new dressing, if you will. It's a fresh

677
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,919
Speaker 1: coat of paint on this offense based off what you're

678
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Speaker 1: really showing before the ball is hyped again. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: Brigregim for running the ten personnel because I know they

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Speaker 1: have the players to do it. But I'm an eleven

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Speaker 1: and twelve personnel guy. I mean, I get these two

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Speaker 1: tight downs out now. Darrell Daniels, there are times he's

683
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Speaker 1: been inconsistent, but he's known as a blocker. I mean, yes,

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Speaker 1: if I think he's wide open that Kyler will throw

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Speaker 1: it to him. But twelve personnel, you can go now

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Speaker 1: with Harris and Max Williams, where maybe Harris goes out

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Speaker 1: for a pass. Usually if Darrell Daniels and Max in there,

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00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: You're probably gonna run out of that formation, but I

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Speaker 1: think it gives us some flexibility though. One more notes

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Speaker 1: on the wide receiver position. But first things first, need

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Speaker 1: to let everyone know very excited about this coming up

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Speaker 1: next month. In fact, September eighth, Folk Tales something that

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Speaker 1: a lot of people have been working a lot of

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Speaker 1: hours on this summer as far as the story behind

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Speaker 1: the story, what we know of and then what goes

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Speaker 1: on behind the scenes. And Episode one, Legendary Locker premiers

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Speaker 1: September eighth on the Arizona Cardinals official YouTube channel YouTube

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Speaker 1: dot com slash Arizona Cardinals and Legendary Locker deals with

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Speaker 1: Pat Tillman. We know his story, but the locker that

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Speaker 1: was saved by aided by our executive producer, Jim I'm

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00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 1: a hundred and now has become a focal point downstairs

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00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 1: just outside the Cardinals locker room. But being able to

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00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: save that locker that Pat Tilman used and now all

704
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Speaker 1: of a sudden it is a major point to be

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Speaker 1: shown to new teams or new players, I should say

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Speaker 1: that walked through that facility. So Legendary Locker Episode one

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Speaker 1: of Folk Tales September eighth, and of course, much more

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Speaker 1: on this in the days and weeks to come, and

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Speaker 1: you are part of the project and I'm looking forward

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Speaker 1: to seeing everything. It's it's it's great uh animation. There's

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Speaker 1: been a lot of work behind the scenes on it,

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Speaker 1: so it's gonna be fascinating and it's going to bring

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Speaker 1: back some great memories for those that have covered or

714
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: those that have watched and followed the Cardinals for years.

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Covered two presented by Honday, proud partner of the

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. The past couple of days, we have a

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Speaker 1: chance to hear from the young cornerbacks, Marco Wilson and

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Speaker 1: Tay Gowen. And interesting and we had known this about

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Speaker 1: Marco Wilson because he was a guest on a recent

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Speaker 1: episode of The Red Sea Report, which we host along

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Speaker 1: with Kyle Vannenbosch and Wilson. At that point let us

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Speaker 1: in that he was getting some tips some advice from

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins. While Marco Wilson brought that up again on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: Tay Gowen mentioned it earlier on Monday. Here you have

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Speaker 1: a veteran wide receiver who is focused on doing his

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Speaker 1: job and helping the offense. He also has found the

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Speaker 1: time to put his arm around Marco Wilson and Tay Gowan,

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Speaker 1: two young cornerbacks, not asked to do it, but he

729
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 1: feels it's his way of paying it forward, helping out

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Speaker 1: two young players that maybe he believes in could be

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Speaker 1: bright stars in this league in future corners, corner and

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Speaker 1: impact players with the Arizona Cardinals. But just little tricks,

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Speaker 1: little tips. Yes, he's a wide receiver, but you know

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Speaker 1: that relationship, especially in practice and training camp, A wide

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Speaker 1: receiver can certainly help out a cornerback, and a cornerback

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Speaker 1: can help out a wide receiver, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: And I give Hopkins credit because both guys, Marco Wilson

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Speaker 1: and Tay gown had now told us that Hopkins before

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Speaker 1: the game game a little pep talk, you know, just

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Speaker 1: go out there and do what you do. Don't overthink things.

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Speaker 1: And we know that Tay Gowen was targeted at least

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Speaker 1: five times. I thought Marco Wilson should have had an interception.

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Speaker 1: But here Hopkins is in street clothes and he's willing

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Speaker 1: to talk to these guys before the game, and you

745
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: know he didn't have to do that, and he wanted

746
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Speaker 1: to let him know about some of the other receivers. Now, granted,

747
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: Noam Mary Cooper, City Lamb was a little bit, and

748
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: then he had Michael Gallop and those are probably Dallas

749
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: has a lot of speed. All those guys can do

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Speaker 1: something different. And the fact that he was telling even

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Speaker 1: though some of those guys didn't play a ton of snap,

752
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Speaker 1: to me, that speaks volumes of hop I know. Maybe

753
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: the perception is he's about himself. That's not true though. Yeah,

754
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Speaker 1: he is the consummate professional and a great teammates. Gowen,

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Speaker 1: not knowing too much about Hopkins, did admit that he

756
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Speaker 1: wasn't ready for that, wasn't expecting it. And I think

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Speaker 1: if I was in his position, I probably would not

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Speaker 1: have expected a superstar like a DeAndre Hopkins to pull

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Speaker 1: me aside. Heck, you know, we're not even in the

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Speaker 1: same position room and I play a different position. I'm

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Speaker 1: on the other side of the football for a goodness six.

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Speaker 1: But it does I think indicates the team aspect of

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins. He's reached a point in his career where

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Speaker 1: he wants to win. He's got all these personal accolades,

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Speaker 1: all these individual statistics, but he wants to win. Neither

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Speaker 1: Wilson or Gowen were specific as far as what Hopkins

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Speaker 1: was telling them. But I'm just trying to figure out,

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Speaker 1: you know, is it footwork, is it where your eyes

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Speaker 1: should be? You know you always say look at the

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Speaker 1: receiver's hips and that is the indication of which direction

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Speaker 1: they're gonna go. Or is it more you know, the physicality,

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Speaker 1: the leverage? Hey, you know what, do this? Don't do

773
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Speaker 1: that because officials are more likely to call X but

774
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Speaker 1: not call Z. Just little things that I would love

775
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Speaker 1: to know, and maybe we'll never find out because that's

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Speaker 1: part of the secrecy of inside the locker room. No

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Speaker 1: one likes to give away trade secrets. And I'm sure

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Speaker 1: it's nothing that big a deal, but just little details

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Speaker 1: that I think certainly has helped Marco Wilson because I

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Speaker 1: think he has made a tremendous progress from where he

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Speaker 1: was at the start of training camp to now to

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Speaker 1: where we both believe he is firmly planted at the

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Speaker 1: number four cornerback and going into week one, Marco Wilson

784
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Speaker 1: will be active. He will be playing on special teams

785
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Speaker 1: and if something happens, he's gonna have to, you know,

786
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Speaker 1: be out there. But you got a J. Brown. You

787
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Speaker 1: got Julio Jones. Hop knows these guys, he knows their routes,

788
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Speaker 1: and so you know, Malcolm Butler obviously played in Tennessee,

789
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Speaker 1: but he didn't play with Julio Jones, and he knows

790
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Speaker 1: a J. Brown and how effective he can be, you know,

791
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Speaker 1: with the deep ball. So it's just the fact that

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Speaker 1: you know, if they're thrown into the mix and galling

793
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Speaker 1: to me, is behind Marco Wilson, even though he's starting

794
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,439
Speaker 1: to flash a little bit. And one of the things

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Speaker 1: that he told us is Hopkins gave him his phone number.

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Speaker 1: So again, they don't have to do this kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: I know their teammates, but one they don't spend a

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Speaker 1: lot of time in meetings together. You have a team

799
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Speaker 1: meeting in the morning and then everyone goes to their

800
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Speaker 1: different meeting rooms, and you know, defensive backs aren't hanging

801
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: out with wide receivers now maybe off the field. So

802
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Speaker 1: like I said, Hopkins, you know, last year I thought

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Speaker 1: he should be practicing. Now you know, now I see

804
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Speaker 1: what's going on. But he's he's he's a really good teammate.

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Speaker 1: And I think what you said is right. He wants

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Speaker 1: to win, Okay, because he's he'll he'll have Hall of

807
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Speaker 1: Fame numbers just like Larry And then he didn't win

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Speaker 1: a championship. Well, he played with X amount of quarterbacks

809
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Speaker 1: in Houston. He's now he's got Colin Murray. So yes,

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Speaker 1: they all want to get paid and they all want

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Speaker 1: to play, but when you get older, you want to win.

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Speaker 1: There's a certain point in your career where it's not

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Speaker 1: so much about how much is in your bank account.

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Speaker 1: It's how much fun are you having on Sundays? Are

815
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Speaker 1: you walking off the field with your head held high

816
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Speaker 1: because you just gotta win? And now all of a sudden,

817
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Speaker 1: it's double digit victories, You're in the postseason, you're making

818
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Speaker 1: a long playoff run. Your season didn't end in Week

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Speaker 1: eighteen this year in twenty twenty one with the expanded

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Speaker 1: regular season to seventeen games. So I like hearing these

821
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Speaker 1: kinds of stories because otherwise it's something that is buried,

822
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Speaker 1: It never gets out of the locker room. And then

823
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, guys earned reputations, and that you know,

824
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Speaker 1: there was a certain reputation for Deandro Hopkins. You brought

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Speaker 1: it up. It's you know, it's about him, and that's

826
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Speaker 1: certainly furthest from the case here with the Arizona Cardinals

827
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Speaker 1: and Craig. I don't know if we would have got

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Speaker 1: this information on zoom because now the media that can

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Speaker 1: ask questions, there's follow up questions in zoom you have

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Speaker 1: to raise your hand and then at some point, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, let's say somebody outside of the media,

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Speaker 1: they make it two or three questions in here. Now

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Speaker 1: if you if I asked somebody a question, you can

834
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Speaker 1: follow up and then another question. So I don't know

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Speaker 1: if we would have got this in zoom. It's just

836
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Speaker 1: an observation that I thought about today. It's a good

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Speaker 1: point because I think guys standing at a podium a

838
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Speaker 1: little bit more relaxed, and it's a little bit more

839
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Speaker 1: personal because to see you, yeah, as opposed to seeing

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Speaker 1: you know, a computer screen in a bunch of just

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Speaker 1: faces and yeah, it's it's much better. Not perfect, but

842
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: certainly making the best of a bad situation. With regards

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Speaker 1: to COVID nineteen, the last point on the cornerback you

844
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Speaker 1: talk about, you know number four Marco Wilson now Darka

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Speaker 1: as Denard hasn't been on the practice field a lot.

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Speaker 1: Darryl Worley kind of not seeing too much time as

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Speaker 1: far as reps. And then if you're gonna keep six

848
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Speaker 1: or excuse me, you keep five cornerbacks, you got take Gallan, Picasso, Nelson,

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Speaker 1: and Ja's Whittaker, Worley and Denard. So that might be

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Speaker 1: a situation to where, Okay, you're playing the numbers game,

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Speaker 1: can you slide someone onto the practice squad or are

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Speaker 1: you concerned if you put that player through the waivers

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Speaker 1: that they'll get picked up by another team? Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean I I don't Again, take Gown hasn't shown enough

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Speaker 1: to where somebody's gonna claim him. And now again, it's

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Speaker 1: notund like he was your second round pick and you're

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Speaker 1: exposing him to the waiver wire. That would never happen.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I gotta think that they'll continue to look

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Speaker 1: for another veteran guy just for insurance. You know, they

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Speaker 1: like their for top four guys. But we know that

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Speaker 1: position based on Robert Alford's history and he looks good,

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Speaker 1: and Malcolm Butler we know how physical he can play,

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Speaker 1: and Byron Murphy. So I would think you'd still look

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Speaker 1: at another veteran player there and hopefully take Owen continue

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Speaker 1: to make progress and then try to slide him on

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Speaker 1: the practice squad. But I like the top four owners,

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Speaker 1: and the thing is Chase Whittaker, he finds a way

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Speaker 1: to get around the ball. I think, I think he

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Speaker 1: understands a defense. They don't put too much on his plate.

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Speaker 1: But the thing is, now, if the nar is not

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Speaker 1: able to practice. So you've got Marco Wilson, who can

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Speaker 1: play inside and outside, and then you got Chase whitter

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Speaker 1: who can play inside and outside, and then you got

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Speaker 1: Byron Murphy. So curious to see that because if the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals line up and a team's playing two tight ends

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Speaker 1: two wide receivers, it's going to be Byron Murphy and

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Speaker 1: possibly Malcolm Butler. So Alford would be the odd man

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Speaker 1: out there. And keep in mind when you talk about

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Speaker 1: those two young corners Wilson six feet tall, Gawins six

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Speaker 1: foot one. You like to see some hype in that

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Speaker 1: cornerback room on the football field to better defend some

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Speaker 1: of these taller wide receivers. And I think both of

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Speaker 1: those guys got long arms, and if so, if you

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Speaker 1: can get tight coverage, you may not get the pick,

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Speaker 1: but you're able to get your arm out there and

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Speaker 1: deflect the ball in a pass breakup. We watch Murphy

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Speaker 1: in week one line net year in another game that

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Speaker 1: those can change the game where a team is trying

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Speaker 1: to get a touchdown they have to kick a field goal.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff. MJ. You got a little workout in during

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Speaker 1: this episode of Cardinals coverins sweating or nothing. And I'm

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Speaker 1: just I don't know. I always I usually talk with

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Speaker 1: my hands, but today I just want I wish you

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Speaker 1: had a go pro in here, because I want to

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Speaker 1: show these receivers what they have to do. They know,

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Speaker 1: but I'm just trying to, you know, poke the bear

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Speaker 1: a little bit. Awesome, awesome stuff. Appreciate it. On that note,

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Speaker 1: let's put a lid on this edition of Cardinals Cover two,

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Speaker 1: special thanks to our executive producer Jim I'm Ahindro or

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Speaker 1: Mike DRECKI I Craig Riel Loup. We'll talk to you

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