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Speaker 1: for the Browns and it didn't go great from what

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Speaker 1: I recall, So I mean he moved on to the Ravens,

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Speaker 1: which is a more successful. Daddy just laughing at the

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Speaker 1: wow Sessler, really after after I've spared you from from

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Speaker 1: all of our heat. First of all, so many things

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Speaker 1: wrong with this whole thing. Okay. First of all, I

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Speaker 1: was with the Browns for two years, one of which

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Speaker 1: was a ten win season, which I don't know if

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Speaker 1: Sessler is familiar, having been a fan of that team

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Speaker 1: for a long time. Those don't come around very often.

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Speaker 1: So that was the first year. The next year four

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Speaker 1: and twelve we're gone. I came to the Browns from

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Speaker 1: the Ravens, so he's got his timeline all screwed up.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Buck, I just like I felt like he's

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Speaker 1: the most knowledgeable of the around the NFL guys. I

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Speaker 1: feel like he's the most respectable. And the sad thing is,

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Speaker 1: even as ridiculous as this is, he doesn't lose his

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Speaker 1: standing because that's just how bad the rest of the

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Speaker 1: group is. So, you know, just just disappointing all the

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Speaker 1: way around. From Sessler. Not want to let facts get

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Speaker 1: in the way a good story. Oh yeah, all right,

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Speaker 1: let's move Let's move on. If we have any other

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Speaker 1: clips from some of our more respected podcast maybe, uh,

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Speaker 1: if Panetta has something to say, let's let's run that

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Speaker 1: in the in the future. Let's just keep the around

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Speaker 1: the NFL stuff off here. This is a respectable program.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to silly it with those guys. Um okay,

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Speaker 1: let's get two Bengals Ravens Sunday Night Action. UH, low

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Speaker 1: scoring game nineteen seventeen, the Ravens hold on or get

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Speaker 1: a big game win and kicked there at the end

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Speaker 1: from Tucker to win it. Uh. I want to hit

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Speaker 1: on stand only guys, as we kind of get started here.

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Speaker 1: It was good to see Ronnie Stanley back in the

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Speaker 1: mix for the Ravens. It was in and out of

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Speaker 1: the lineup. They rotated and wanted to keep him fresh.

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Speaker 1: I think it was something like twenty two snaps watched

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Speaker 1: the thirteen past plays. But he held up fine. He

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Speaker 1: was moving well. Uh maybe one you could give him

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Speaker 1: kind of one semi pressure against Trey Hendrickson on an

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Speaker 1: inside rush, But overall I thought he looked comfortable, looked

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Speaker 1: like Ronnie Stanley. Um So, I think that's an encouraging

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Speaker 1: sign for this team to have him back on the field. Interesting.

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Speaker 1: He was emotional after the game, but going to the

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Speaker 1: tape that he played well, Buck. Yeah. When I think

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Speaker 1: about the Ravens, I think about the ability to kind

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Speaker 1: of figure out what is going on against their cover zero.

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Speaker 1: So the Beagles did a lot of cover zero, kind

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Speaker 1: of had Lamar Jackson out of sorts, but they were

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Speaker 1: able to make the plays that they needed to make.

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Speaker 1: He was able to find Mark Andrews repeatedly. He made

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Speaker 1: some plays on the ground, particularly that two minute drive.

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Speaker 1: They went back to the old power oh where they

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Speaker 1: ran the quarterback power came downhill. So those things obviously

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Speaker 1: we're good. The Ravens had to win a close game

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Speaker 1: because they lost five in a row at the house.

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Speaker 1: You can't lose games at the Crib and go to

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. They ended that. So we'll see if he

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Speaker 1: kind of leaves to a little run for the Baltimore

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Speaker 1: Ravens over the next few rooks. Yeah, and I want

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Speaker 1: to look at the two and three Bengals here a

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Speaker 1: little bit now, right, Um, this is a Bengals team

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Speaker 1: obviously that we loved from a year ago for their

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Speaker 1: explosiveness on offense, right, talked about the three headed monster

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Speaker 1: at wide receiver with Tyler Boyd and T Higgins and

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Speaker 1: you know, and obviously Jamaar Chase. And that's really the

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Speaker 1: point of what I want to get to here, because

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Speaker 1: what are the Bengals without the explosiveness in the explosive

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Speaker 1: plays of Jamaar Chase there. I mean, like I think,

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Speaker 1: just an average team offensively because in some of these games,

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Speaker 1: in particularly some of these losses, you just haven't seen

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Speaker 1: as much of the stuff that Jamar Chase showed us

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Speaker 1: a year ago where he had the deep touchdown and look,

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Speaker 1: I know you can't rely on a forty fifty yard touchdown. UM.

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Speaker 1: You know in a couple of you know, deep route,

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Speaker 1: explosive play scores every game, But the majority of the

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Speaker 1: time Jamar chases in the ball on a quick screen

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Speaker 1: in this game at five quick screen throws from Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 1: and well, I like the creativity, I like the idea

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Speaker 1: of getting the ball in his hands quickly. You've gotta

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Speaker 1: be able to execute. You stop for no gain or

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Speaker 1: a loss of yards on a number of those quick screens.

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Speaker 1: They'll end u up in the backfield. One time he

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Speaker 1: gets knocked off the route by a defensive end a

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Speaker 1: dafe o A UM. He didn't have any targets in

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Speaker 1: the second quarter, UM and then ended up with a

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Speaker 1: a couple of nights. Look, he had a couple of

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Speaker 1: nice connections from Burrow at a slant at a deep

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Speaker 1: but deep dig that he was running. Joe Burrow just

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Speaker 1: threw right into double coverage on So it's not like

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Speaker 1: they're not trying to force him the football at times.

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Speaker 1: It's just like this offense really goes when he's out

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Speaker 1: there making those explosive plays, those chunk splash tight plays,

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Speaker 1: and the most part of this season, just felt like

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Speaker 1: you haven't seen him, So how do you generate that? Right,

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Speaker 1: that's on Zach Taylor, that's the play caller, that's on

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Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator, that's that's on him to figure this

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Speaker 1: thing out. But until they do, it feels like defenses

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Speaker 1: can figure this Bengals offense out when he's not out

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Speaker 1: there just winning with his athletic ability and his ability

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Speaker 1: to get down field. And they ran for a hundred

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Speaker 1: yards guys hundred one yards, but long tron was twelve yards.

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Speaker 1: So they're not getting the explosives on the ground either.

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Speaker 1: With teams respecting their deep ball so much and playing

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Speaker 1: high coverage, they're not able to capitalize that out with

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Speaker 1: with some explosive run. So that's the other side of it. Um,

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Speaker 1: all right, let's let's take a quick break here, and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna come back and look at our big eight

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Speaker 1: takeaways here from week number five. We'll do that right

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Speaker 1: after this. NFL Plus is the league's new exclusive video

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Speaker 1: for the Elite Eight. We do this each and every week.

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Speaker 1: We're looking at the eight storylines to come out of

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Speaker 1: Week five. Van I'll start us off here with the

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Speaker 1: first one, and that is the Pittsburgh Steelers. And this

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Speaker 1: sounds weird to say, I think they might have the

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Speaker 1: first pick in the draft next year. That's that's what

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Speaker 1: this team looks like when you watch them right now.

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Speaker 1: They are, especially without t. J. Watt, not a good

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Speaker 1: ball club. The Buffalo Bills ran them out of the gym.

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Speaker 1: So for Steeler fans, instead of going through that game,

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Speaker 1: which would probably be pretty depressing, let's look towards the

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Speaker 1: future a little bit of what can be. Kenny Pickett,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough this year with the offensive line

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Speaker 1: they have in front of him. They can solve that

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Speaker 1: a little bit in free agency next year. But can

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Speaker 1: you imagine next year you line up a healthy T. J.

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Speaker 1: Watt on one side and with the first or second

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Speaker 1: pick wherever you're picking up there high you could somehow

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Speaker 1: come away with Alabama's Will Anderson, who's one of the

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Speaker 1: best edge rushers we've seen in a very long time

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Speaker 1: coming out of the college game. Now this starts to

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Speaker 1: feel like the Pittsburgh Steelers again. Now you're gonna see

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Speaker 1: those t J. Watt jerseys next to the Will Anderson

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Speaker 1: jerseys in the stands. You're gonna have Mica Fitzpatrick in

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Speaker 1: the back end to clean it all up after they

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Speaker 1: create all that chaos. I don't know, Buck, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know you've been disappointed as a Steeler fan. Mike

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Speaker 1: Tomlin doesn't know what it's like to have a losing season,

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Speaker 1: But that would be a nice reward for having the

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Speaker 1: worst year they've had in a very long time. Yeah, Yeah, Terry,

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Speaker 1: to get Williamson, You're right. It brings them all the

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Speaker 1: way back to being able to play the style of

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Speaker 1: defense that they want. They have a quarterback and place

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Speaker 1: in Kenny Pickett. You now get another edge rush to

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Speaker 1: go with t J. Y. You're able to dominate like

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Speaker 1: you want. But let's go on the other side because

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Speaker 1: in that game, I was on the Buffalo Bills, and

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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills are a big play machine, meaning when

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Speaker 1: you look at them play, they are throwing the ball

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Speaker 1: all over the yard and they're producing chunk plays. In

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Speaker 1: this game alone, they had eight explosive plays. We started

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Speaker 1: from the third play of the game gave Davis throwing

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Speaker 1: over the top, big play gave Davis again over the top.

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Speaker 1: Stefon Dix headed forty yard game. Josh Allen was doing

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Speaker 1: whatever he wanted to do against the Steelers defense. And

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Speaker 1: because this team is prolific, they're explosive and dj When

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Speaker 1: you look at the point differential between the Buffalo Bills

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Speaker 1: and their opponents, they are us one. So when you

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Speaker 1: think about winning and winning big in the postseason, when

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Speaker 1: you can put points on the board, you're going to

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Speaker 1: win a lot of games. The Buffalo Bills are in

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Speaker 1: the mix of the Super Bowl contender because they are

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Speaker 1: prolific offensive attack. Yeah, and Brian Dable, who used to

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Speaker 1: run that offense is now sitting in New York and

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Speaker 1: sitting pretty at four and one trail and only the

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles the top that division there. And so the

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Speaker 1: NFC East is, by the way, shaping up to be

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Speaker 1: a pretty intriguing division this year. But look, I think

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Speaker 1: Brian Dable deserves a lot of credit Joe Shane as well,

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Speaker 1: coming over from the Bills to help reshape the Giants franchise,

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Speaker 1: and I just I feel like the work that Brian

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Speaker 1: Dable has done, especially considering how limited they've been in

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Speaker 1: the wide receiver room this year from the tight end

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Speaker 1: group this year. Obviously, getting se Kwan going is probably

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Speaker 1: out of sa Quan, the most out of that offensive line,

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Speaker 1: and then, as I mentioned at the top of the

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Speaker 1: of Daniel Jones in a pivotal year for him as

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Speaker 1: a quarterback in this league and as a potential corner

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Speaker 1: stone for this franchise moving forward stables pressing all the

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Speaker 1: right buttons, and then obviously hiring Wink Martindale to run

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Speaker 1: And as a first time head coach, man Uh, he

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Speaker 1: I mean, like Dave, they've done a really good job

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Speaker 1: taking his roster and taking to the next level. I

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Speaker 1: think since we're talking about the NFC, e's DJ you

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Speaker 1: go up because you've got some thoughts on the NFC's Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll keep it there. I'm gonna go Cowboys Eagles collision course.

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Speaker 1: It's coming up Monday night. I believe Monday night football

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Speaker 1: is at Monday night or Sunday it's prime time. It's

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Speaker 1: coming up this next week, Sunday night. Get the Sunday night,

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Speaker 1: Sunday night, Sunday night. There you go, Sunday Night. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna get a big time match up. Heeriod And to me,

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Speaker 1: there's so many ways and layers to this game. But

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Speaker 1: you look at the way they're both running the football

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Speaker 1: right now. Um, you look at the physicality that they're

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Speaker 1: playing with upfront. On the defensive side of the ball,

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Speaker 1: Mica Parsons might be the defensive player of the year,

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Speaker 1: but he's gonna get a chance to go up against

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Speaker 1: the best offensive line in football and the Philadelphia Eagles.

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Speaker 1: This is all of a sudden, the best division football.

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Speaker 1: We talked all offseason about the a f C West,

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Speaker 1: a f C West, a f C West, and boy,

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Speaker 1: the TV executives have got to be happy because it's

645
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Speaker 1: actually the NFC East, all the all the teams that

646
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 1: pulling the big ratings. It's a it's the best division

647
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: of football right now. And that is going to be

648
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Speaker 1: a massive collision. Course. I know we're a football podcast,

649
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: We're not a ratings podcast, Buck, but I guarantee you

650
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: the numbers for that game on Sunday night are gonna

651
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: be otherworldly in terms of the viewers tuning in for

652
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Speaker 1: that one. Oh absolutely. I me gonna talk about two

653
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: Markey franchise. The two teams that are playing great. Uh,

654
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Speaker 1: you have the Cowboys who've kind of owned a division

655
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Speaker 1: of late, particularly Dak Prescott has played. But now you've

656
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: got the new Gun and Jalen Hurst. You can't wait

657
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: to see that. But you're talking about the NFC East

658
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: and the way they played football, well, it kind of

659
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: reminds me of the way the Tennessee Titans play physical,

660
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: big boy football. And in their game against the Washington

661
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: Commanders on Sunday, man to since the Titans showed championship

662
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: level grit. I mean, it wasn't pretty for them. They

663
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: had a tough time controlling Carson Wentz and the Commander's

664
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Speaker 1: passing game. But at the end of the day, when

665
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: they need to make a play, they made a play.

666
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: David Long Junor stepping in front, picking off a pass,

667
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: selling to deal with six seconds left. This is a

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Speaker 1: kind of play that the Tennessee Titans must have to

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Speaker 1: win the division because, let's be honest, the a f

670
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Speaker 1: C South, the division is all of influx, and so

671
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Speaker 1: the way that the Titans have to win it, they

672
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: gotta bully everybody. They gotta beat everybody up on both

673
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: sides of the ball. We saw that with King Henry,

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00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: saw that with the defense. If they continue to play

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Speaker 1: like this, they're gonna have a chance. They're gonna have

676
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: a chance to do it all over again, go to

677
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Speaker 1: the playoffs and make some noise. Yeah. Look, and and

678
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Speaker 1: you I think you never count out right a Mike

679
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: vable coach team, just with the their brand of football,

680
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: is always gonna allow them the opportunity to find their

681
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: groove to get things back going in the right direction

682
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: because they cant out physical teams on both sides, of

683
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Speaker 1: the ball. So I'm gonna move to another team who

684
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Speaker 1: did it maybe a little bit more physically than then

685
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: We're used to sing in the Tampa Bay Bucks. Here

686
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: buck um and a win over the Falcons. I mean,

687
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: it's like we talked, remember when Leonard Fournette joined the Bucks.

688
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: It was like, all right, it's uh, it's playoff Lenny,

689
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: It's Lombardi Lenny. You know, like we were coming up

690
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: with all the different Well, Week five, Lenny showed up

691
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Speaker 1: in a big way for the Tampa Bay Bucks in

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Speaker 1: this game. I mean, Todd Bowls came out in his

693
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Speaker 1: news conference was talking about it. They don't win that

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Speaker 1: game without Leonard Fournett, who at twenty four touches hundred

695
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: thirty nine yards from scrimmage of their touches and thirty

696
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Speaker 1: three percent of their yards from scrimmage in this game,

697
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Speaker 1: which doubles his usual output in both of those categories

698
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Speaker 1: if you go all the way back to last year.

699
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Speaker 1: But if you study a little bit more closely, they've

700
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: been steadily using four net more and more this season

701
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: because they've had to. I think you look at the

702
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Speaker 1: the the lack of continuity along the offensive line, the

703
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: injuries that they've dealt with up there in fact that

704
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: some guys are just no longer there um, and you

705
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: got to go back to some thing that can kind

706
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: of give you a little bit of of consistency, and

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Speaker 1: that's been the ground game that's been using Lenny in

708
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: the past game. I was a big part of the

709
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: Buck's effort here from Tom Brady in this win over

710
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Speaker 1: the Falcons. And I know people are up in arms

711
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Speaker 1: about the Grady Jarrett roughing the passer and how you

712
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: know that that that should be given there is another

713
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: chance to go down to win the game. It was

714
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: a bad like it was a bad call. It was

715
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: a call that did not get the explanation from Jerome

716
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Speaker 1: boger Um. But I think the explanation behind what the

717
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: Bucks are doing on offense is kind of similar to

718
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Speaker 1: what we've been talking about with the Packers and and

719
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Speaker 1: the way that when they're running the football better this

720
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: year might give them a better shot to move forward

721
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: in the playoffs more than they have. I think this

722
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: is something that could help the Bucks down the stretch

723
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Speaker 1: in the postseason as well if they need to rely

724
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Speaker 1: on that. Yeah, that's interesting. Um. You know, I think

725
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: we we've kind of seen what the formula looks like

726
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: once you get to the postseason. I think you seem

727
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: to try and get themselves in that type of mode. Here.

728
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: You gotta make the tournament first, though, so you gotta

729
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: do what you gotta do to get there, and then

730
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: things can change a little bit in the postseason. Let's

731
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Speaker 1: go to Brady's former team. He talked about his current

732
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Speaker 1: team with the Bucks go to the Hatriots and a

733
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Speaker 1: dominant defensive performance pitching a shutout against one of the

734
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Speaker 1: best offenses in the NFL. This Ye don't know if

735
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: we all saw it coming, but that's what the Lions

736
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: have been. This defense. Guys to me, watching their rush plan,

737
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: I don't know that he saw the same thing twice

738
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: in terms of four or five six man pressures, running

739
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: different stunts, picking guys with their inside linebacker Bentley, who's

740
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: a monster. He is enormous, and he just ran right

741
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: through their backs. They were able to get him schemed

742
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: up on backs and he just would run right over him.

743
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,719
Speaker 1: Matt judean Is is tied for the league leading sacks.

744
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: He picked up two more in this game. He was

745
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: all over the place and Jared Golf once that started

746
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: happening early in the game, and there was so much

747
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: color flashing in front of him with the stuff they

748
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: were doing. He was done. He was out of sorts.

749
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: He could not find a rhythm. Even when he did

750
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: get a Cleanish pocket, he was looking to get the

751
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: ball out or get out of there. So they made

752
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: him very uncomfortable. Kind of a vintage Patriots defense. Uh,

753
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: in that performance, they're just confusing people and and really

754
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: dominating that game against the Lions team that had been

755
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: pretty explode us fret nothing on my man, Bailey Zappy

756
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: come on, and his first start as a rookie fourth,

757
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: I figure you were going there later? Are you gonna

758
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: hit Zappy? Like I'm not, But you know, I figured, um,

759
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: you know, like let's give some credit to another guy

760
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: here who's making an impact and his first start as

761
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: a rookie. Um. But yeah, Like it was about the defense.

762
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: They were dominant in this game. They put you were

763
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: contractually obligated for anybody that graduated from QB Country that

764
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: rhet was the only one that's allowed to talk about

765
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: them on the move the state unless it's blatantly obvious

766
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: how how they were. They were trained in a way

767
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: that allowed him an opportunity to go out and succeed

768
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: in his first start. But like I thought, again, defense

769
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: run game certainly aided Zappy in this first start. I

770
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: mean the fans at Foxborow were channing Zappy like after

771
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: they were leaving the game so as as it was over.

772
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: So that like a pretty good deal, pretty cool experience

773
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: for that being his first game. I'll move on here

774
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: to one um that was about on the opposite end

775
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: of the spectrum for the Los Angeles Rams, who felt

776
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: like they were dominated from the jump in this game,

777
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: particularly on the offensive side of the ball. When you

778
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: look at what the Cowboys did from the jump, Dorance

779
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: Armstrong on the Cowboy on the Rams first offensive possession,

780
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: gets free, striped sack recovered return for a touchdown by

781
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence, and you're like, oh boy, this is gonna

782
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: be a long day now. Look, I know that the

783
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: Cowboys have done this that just about every team that

784
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: they have played this year in terms of providing pressure

785
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: and and getting in the face of the quarterback and

786
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: causing those mistakes. But for the Rams, it's not just

787
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: about this game. With the Cowboys. I mean they have

788
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: allowed uh a pressure percentage of thirty six, so more

789
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: than one in every three dropbacks for Matthew Stafford, he

790
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: is seeing pressure in his face. It's the fourth highest

791
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Speaker 1: in the NFL. And then you go back to what

792
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: they were a year ago when they were so successful

793
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 1: in the offensive side of the ball. Just of those

794
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: past attempts generated pressure on the quarterback, which was the

795
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: fifth lowest in the league. So obviously Whitworth is gone.

796
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: They've had some some parts they've had to change around

797
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 1: in the interior of the offensive line. Right now, it's

798
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: not working. So the one thing I can say for

799
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: sure is that I trust Sean McVeigh and and the

800
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: offensive staff in in l A to figure this thing

801
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: out one way or another. Um. But just right now,

802
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: it's not working. The formula that they have with the

803
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: guys up front, it's unsustainable. UM let's see if they

804
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: can figure it out and get themselves back in contention here. Yeah,

805
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: I honestly, I was just thinking about I don't even

806
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: know who owns their first round pick next year. I

807
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: know they don't have first round pick next It's hard

808
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: to keep tracking where they're located. I gotta go back

809
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: through and look that up and find out where those

810
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: are uh. Speaking of rookies, guys, we're gonna take a

811
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Speaker 1: quick little break and we come back. We're gonna talk

812
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: about some standout rookies and also gonna hit our favorite

813
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: performances from week five. All Right, we're always looking at

814
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: standout rookies on a weekly basis here, so let's go

815
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 1: ahead and rip through a couple of guys that stood

816
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: out here in week number five. I'll start us off

817
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: here with a couple of Jets. We're gonna be talking

818
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: about the Jets rookies pretty much every week on here

819
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: because there's a ton of them. They're playing so many

820
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: they're playing really well. Oh my gosh. How about this

821
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: one though, with Brief Hall and Sauce Gardner. I thought

822
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: both of them that was their best game as pros.

823
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 1: Breese Hall catches a ball seventy nine yards, gets tackled

824
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: at the one, catches another one twenty one yards, gets

825
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: tackled at the one. Could have had two receiving touchdowns

826
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Speaker 1: two yards away from that, And then on the ground,

827
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: darn Near had a hundred yards on the ground as well,

828
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Speaker 1: ninety seven rushing yards. You see the combination of the

829
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 1: speed and the power. I think He's got a chance,

830
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 1: guys to end up being the best back in the league.

831
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Speaker 1: I truly believe that. I think he's that that type

832
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: of potential in terms of what he can do running

833
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: the ball and catching the ball out of the backfield.

834
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 1: And then Sauce Gardner when guys you watch him, they're

835
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: used in a lot of different coverages. You see him

836
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: jamming guys and trailing you see him and cover two,

837
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: you see him playing off and cover three. He's got

838
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: phenomenal football intelligence. The instincts that he has are outstanding.

839
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: I think sometimes Buck, we look at these guys and

840
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: we're evaluating them, and yes, he had all the physical

841
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: stuff to height, the length, the speed, the athleticism, the fluidity,

842
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: But this dude is football smart and I think that's

843
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: a combination of some natural instincts that he has. But

844
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: you can tell this guy's putting in a lot of

845
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: work as well, putting in a lot of work, and

846
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: I love the instincts. I actually love what the Jets

847
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: have been able to do with their rookies. We talked

848
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: about Breese Hall. To me, he reminded me of a

849
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: young Levyan Bill. When Levian was in shape prior to

850
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: coming to the Jets, Breese all can do all those

851
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 1: things a little RB one wide receiver two. We saw

852
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: that in his game and then we saw scaring and

853
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 1: making plays. Loved it. I had a chance to see

854
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: the Houston Texans running back Damian Pierce absolutely punished the

855
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: Jaguars running between the tackles. This is a guy that

856
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: is a physical runner downhill, hard nose, finishes with very

857
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: with with violence, the kind of violence that you like

858
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 1: when it comes to setting the tone. Look yards on scar.

859
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: So it's not a spectacular performance, but what it was

860
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: was a rock solid, uh statement performance from a guy

861
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 1: who was this off his nails. He set the tone

862
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: for the Texas is one of the reasons why they

863
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: would get their first win on the road down in Jacksonville. Yeah. Wait,

864
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: hold on a second, hold on, okay, okay, No, I

865
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: was sorry. Was just trying to make sure I got

866
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: the exact amount of tackles he broke on that eleven

867
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: yard run down inside the twenty, which felt like it

868
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: was each It's like each and every one of the

869
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: eleven Jaguars defenders had multiple shots on him on that run,

870
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: which I'm sure we'll see again and again. This week.

871
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: But he's bowling the China shop type of dude, and

872
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: that's one of those things that Nikissario and the the

873
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: Texans scouting staff can hang their hat on. They found

874
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: a good one there in Damien Pierce, and they've hit

875
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: on a couple of young players as well. So I

876
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 1: think there's there's better things in store for that Texans

877
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: offense down the stretch when you get to another rookie

878
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: here for the Buffalo Bills and kyer Elam, the first

879
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: round traft pick, the corner out of Florida. But I

880
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: think we all kind of liked Um for his ability,

881
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: his potential once he got into the league, and the

882
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: in the Bills kind of slow played him a little bit,

883
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: even knowing that they were gonna be without um tred

884
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: Avious White to start this season. And we still haven't

885
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: seen uh turn Avious White yet. So I think kyer

886
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: Elam has really done a nice job kind of ramping

887
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: up his impact in his production for this Bill's defense.

888
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: Ted tackles, he gotta pick in this game, got his

889
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: hands on another football. I think that once turn Avius

890
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: gets back rolling in there, you line him up there

891
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: with kyre Elam and you're gonna have a real nice

892
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: cornerback tandem kind of like you know, you go back

893
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: uh to gosh it. I mean, I'm starting to think

894
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: of who was out who was there opposite of Stefan

895
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: Gilmour a few years ago, but um, like they've got

896
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: some potential there and it was White. Yeah, I was

897
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: I was starting to think it was both of them.

898
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: But Elam now gives them some real, real chance to

899
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: have a real nice one to punch there at the

900
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: cornerback spot. And for an already dominant team to get

901
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 1: a guy like Tardevious White back here in a little

902
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: bit pretty good. Yeah, I think you can see they

903
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: knew they had an offense that was gonna be pretty

904
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: dynamic a couple of years ago, and you've seen the

905
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: last couple years pass rushers in corners. You're gonna be

906
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: playing with the lead. That's all you need on the

907
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball, and they have loaded up there.

908
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: Brandon Bean's done a nice job. Alright. Favorite performances from

909
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: Week five, Let's rip through these quickly. I'm gonna go

910
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: Austin Ekeler being at that game calling that game for

911
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: the Chargers broadcast. One of the best games of his

912
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: career sixteen for Bucks, seventy three on the ground, maybe

913
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: my favorite rushing touchdown that he's had in the five

914
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: years I've been calling their games. I mean his ability

915
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: to step in and out of the hole. He has

916
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,720
Speaker 1: a face mask, he spins off that then carries somebody

917
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: into the end zone. Right here's the face mask and

918
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: you'll see he gets contacted about the five yard line.

919
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 1: He's gonna drag him into the end zone. Gots delp

920
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: it about four yards into the end zone. So an

921
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: incredible play. Also had this one handed catch on the

922
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: be able to ability to make people miss, set up

923
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: blocks and getting the end zone as a receiver. So

924
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: just a phenomenal performance there from Austin Ekeler, who the

925
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: last two weeks has really found his groove. Yeah, he

926
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: has found his groove and is one that uh things

927
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: that we've been waiting for the Charges running and get

928
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: on track. The other thing we've been waiting on Minnesota,

929
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: how they go feature Justin Jefferson Kevinal Well, he has

930
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 1: found a way to unlock Justin Jefferson. Justin Jefferson had

931
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: twelve catches on thirteen targets over a hundred and fifty

932
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: yards open, early, open, often open. Whenever they wanted to

933
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: throw to him, he was always available. I love it, man,

934
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: you're talking about that kind of catch rate. DJ. You

935
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: know I played basketball in high school. It kind of

936
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: matched my free throw percentage. When you go to the line,

937
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,919
Speaker 1: you know you don't knock them down. And every Kevin

938
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: O'Connor calls and played for Justin Jefferson, it is going

939
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: to be completed to the number eighteen. He did a

940
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 1: great job of find a way to get it done. Yeah,

941
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it truly is one of those get

942
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: your popcorn ready type of situations whenever you haven't have

943
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: the chance to sit and watch Justin Jefferson. I mean,

944
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: it's a it's a work of art, and it's it's

945
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing to see the way that they are

946
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 1: using them. For sure. Speaking of usage, um, Tevin Coleman

947
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: needs to build a house right next to Kyle Shanahans

948
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: because we talked about fit right, we talked about the

949
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: ability to find a groove and a niche in a system.

950
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: Keevin Coleman's best years as a pro my Indiana Whosier

951
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: Tevin Coleman have come with Kyle Shanahan as the offensive

952
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: play caller and in that system. Whether it was in

953
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: Atlanta where he was slashing in that run game, or

954
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: now in a reunion with the forty Niners coming back,

955
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: he was one of the most productive receivers in this game.

956
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: He had the first receiving touchdown to open the scoring

957
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: for San Francisco from Jimmy Garoppolo. He caught a contested,

958
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: a contested catch when he climbed the ladder to go

959
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: up over a dB and catch up all that. Jimmy

960
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: Garoppolo was essentially thrown up for grabs um towards the

961
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: end of the first half there and then ends up

962
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: with a rushing touchdown as well to kind of cap

963
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: things off for the forty Niners. So I had to

964
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: give a little love to my guy right there. But

965
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: Tevin Coleman, man, when when featured in the right way

966
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 1: and in the right system, he is very difficult to stop.

967
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: He's got a decision which one of three options of

968
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: two touchdowns two touchdowns of the game. Come on, man,

969
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 1: all right, on that note, we're gonna take a little break.

970
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,479
Speaker 1: We're gonna come back and talk about the Saints, another

971
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: team that rhet followed growing up, so I'm sure he'll

972
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: have some flowery things to say about them as well.

973
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: We'll do that right after this. Let's go to New

974
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: Orleans guys and uh and Taysom Hill on his usage

975
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: in this game against the who are they playing? And

976
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: Seattle see Hawk's correct nine carries a buck twelve, three

977
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: touchdowns on the ground, had one through the air. Um.

978
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: I give you my quick takeaway and then I'll get

979
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: to you on this one buck the long I watched

980
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: all the runs this morning, kind of watched the breakdown

981
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: of that, and it's all the stuff that we've come

982
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: accustomed to seeing with Taysom Hill back there. Uh. Cool

983
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: quarterback draw mixed in there as well, which I love seeing.

984
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: I saw some QB power, um, some zone read. But

985
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: the interesting takeaway to me is this long one right here.

986
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: That is uh, that's Quandri Digs who at five ninety

987
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: seven pounds, Taysom Hill just swatted away like like one

988
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: of those midges, like one those bugs that I saw

989
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: in Cleveland by the thousands on on Sunday. It was.

990
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: It was another reminder is what we've talked about on

991
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: the on the pod for quite some time, which is man,

992
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: if you have a smaller dB, you're gonna get put

993
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: into the run game and they're gonna have a tough

994
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: time getting guys like this on the ground. This is

995
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: basically a four or four fullback is what Taysom Hill

996
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: is buck Yeah, he's a four four fullback. And I'm

997
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: gonna say personally, I loved it. I love seeing Taysom

998
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: Hill utilized in this role. This is the role that

999
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: I would envision for him. It allows the New Orleans

1000
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: Saints to get back to what they really are, which

1001
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: is a ground dapal team, going all the way back

1002
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: to the days when Sean Payton was a head coach

1003
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: and they were winning. Yes, they threw it around, but

1004
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: when it got down to it, they can run the football.

1005
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill going over a hundred yards to go with

1006
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamar going over a hundred yards. I believe the

1007
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: Saints might have found an identity. I think they can

1008
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: run the football at people and impose their will. It

1009
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: protects their defense, shorts the game, and allows them to

1010
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: play big boy football. And when you look at the

1011
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: way the league is shaping up, particularly in the NFC,

1012
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: all the teams at the top and run the football.

1013
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: So you better be able to run the football and

1014
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: stop the run to be able to have a chance.

1015
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: The Saints were able to do that because of the

1016
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: stout and employer Tasom Hill. Yeah, and I was just

1017
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 1: got sitting back watching that performance, just marveling at my

1018
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: fantasy football managerial skills. I mean that was I mean,

1019
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: I got to toot my own horn. I was the

1020
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 1: biggest um. That was the the biggest and best same

1021
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: day transaction pick up of a player after Logan Thomas

1022
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: and Dawson Knox were both rolled out at tight end.

1023
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: The fact that I got to play Taston Mill of

1024
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: tight end man um but no buts. But on on

1025
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: the serious note, where was like where has this been? Like?

1026
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: We spent so long trying to pump Taysom Hill up

1027
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 1: as a potential quarterback in the league when everyone is known,

1028
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: like this is where he is at his best, when

1029
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 1: he is another option in the offensive playbook, not like

1030
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,479
Speaker 1: the guy that is in charge of everything and trying

1031
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: to run the show. Let him do what he does

1032
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: best like we I mean, like three years ago, Tayston

1033
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: Hill was on stoppable in these types of roles and

1034
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: it just felt like the last two years. I know

1035
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: he's banged up a lot um as well in the

1036
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: last couple of years, but just like, why are we

1037
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: overthinking it? Like this is where he's at his best.

1038
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: Put him in in the best spot to make plays.

1039
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: And clearly Pete Carmichael did that for the Saints this

1040
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: week and it paid off and div it like in

1041
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: a big way for total touchdowns. Now, now can they

1042
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: replicate it? Right? Can they find that consistency when Jamis

1043
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: Winston comes back? Can you still find ways to use

1044
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill like that? So that's something I'll be watching for. Yeah, No,

1045
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: we'll see what they do going forward. But that's sure

1046
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: was a dominant performance from Taysom Hill on that Saint's offense.

1047
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: Pretty dynamic with him in that role. Al Right, guys,

1048
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for today. This has been a

1049
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: fun one lot of ground to cover again, the surprise

1050
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: firing mid season and Matt Rule. What do the Carolina

1051
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: Panthers do. We'll talk about that a little bit later

1052
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: on in the week, what their next moves might look like.

1053
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys hanging with us, Appreciate you watching move

1054
00:46:53,520 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: the sticks thought to move stout hat to love st