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Speaker 1: I listened to the Black Guy Who Tips podcast because

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Speaker 1: Rod and Karen are hot.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Welcome to another episode of The black Out to

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Speaker 2: his podcast. I'm your host Rod, Join is always by

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Speaker 2: my co host Kieren, and we're live on a Tuesday. Okay,

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Speaker 2: it's a nice day outside, but we're inside recording a

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Speaker 2: podcast because that's what we do for a living. We

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Speaker 2: also are not alone. We have a guest, a first

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Speaker 2: time guest on our show, but I've heard I've heard

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Speaker 2: him on other podcasts, including Mike Caplan's podcast, including Keith

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Speaker 2: and the Girls. I first heard of this guy when

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Speaker 2: he was still going by the moniker MC mister Napkins.

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Speaker 2: Today's guest is comedian, writer, rapper, and game show host

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Speaker 2: of the Crosswords Show, Zach Sherwin. What's going on, man.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Rod, Hi, Karen, Thanks for having men. I had

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Speaker 3: an internal clock going as to how soon Mike Caplan's

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Speaker 4: So I'm glad we got it out of the way,

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Speaker 4: out of the gate.

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Speaker 5: Just oh, he's the best.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, I feel like the best. We have to

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Speaker 2: we have to address the elephant in the room, which

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Speaker 2: is that uh, Mike Kaplan brings all the good people together.

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Speaker 2: H in the Mike Kaplan, he really does universe, you know.

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Speaker 4: What I mean?

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Speaker 2: Like all these in the Mike Kaplan multiverse, I feel

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Speaker 2: like there's a lot of good people coming together because

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, there's like a whole multiverse that exists inside Mike's brain.

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Speaker 3: And I also like that he that you called him

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Speaker 3: like the elephant in the room because our friend, do

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Speaker 3: you know Ramin Naser? He's an incredibly talented artist, but

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Speaker 3: he does a lot of like Mike's trippy, colorful artwork

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Speaker 3: for his albums and specials and stuff. And he has

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Speaker 3: a book called Infinite Elephants that's just a bunch of

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Speaker 3: rainbow elephants with their trunks in the next elephant's tail,

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Speaker 3: like into infinity, like turtles all the way down. So

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Speaker 3: it all just is connecting together very nicely already.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how'd you meet Mike?

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Speaker 3: Mike and I met because we both went to Brand

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Speaker 3: University in the outskirts of Boston and we sort of, yeah,

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Speaker 3: we met each other there. We didn't really become close,

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Speaker 3: but then I started a comedy group with some friends

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Speaker 3: we're both vegans, and like we're into words and brand

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Speaker 3: things and a story that's like part of our friendship creation.

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Speaker 3: Myth is that we were He called me one day

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Speaker 3: out of the blue and we started talking, and at

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Speaker 3: a certain point I just realized, Oh, he just wants

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Speaker 3: But I didn't have too many like other adult male

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Speaker 2: That is weird, right, I don't know why that such.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a gender thing. It feels

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Speaker 5: Yes, I think you have too. I think you doing.

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Speaker 6: And what's so weird about me is when I call people.

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Speaker 6: A lot of times I called them and I'm like, hey,

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Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate that because I like like when people

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Speaker 4: You have to do the like quick, very staccato.

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Speaker 6: Why from from the way you smell everything is brute

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Speaker 5: Be like, what is this? This is not an odor,

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Speaker 4: This is a bird talking on the phone. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: first of all, how does a comedy group come together?

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Speaker 4: We both had the a cappella connecting.

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Speaker 3: So our college was founded because Jews were getting excluded

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Speaker 3: That was the particular choice that my group made, which

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Speaker 4: But that was where I wound up.

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Speaker 3: And I'm proud to say that while I was in

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Speaker 3: It was called Company B. And we sang that song

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Speaker 4: It was like to get the campus money, we had

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Speaker 2: So that was that was the singing group. But what

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Speaker 4: I got so excited about my story.

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Speaker 3: So in my free time, you know, I just had

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Speaker 3: Andrew Slack, and he had a show on campus called

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Speaker 3: on like the campus TV station called Late Night Snack

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Speaker 3: Late Night Players. Okay, and it was okay on campus

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Speaker 3: And so we started touring on the college entertainment circuit,

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Speaker 3: which is like a multi billion dollar nonprofit industry.

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Speaker 5: Actually, it has a lot of money to be made

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Speaker 3: Yes, barely enough to feed like four to five, you know,

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Speaker 3: as the Late Night Players. So it was a name

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Speaker 3: People think it's some sort of you know, live sex show.

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Speaker 3: But the Late Night Players.

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Speaker 5: Like if you like I'm doing three pm? You confuse people,

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Speaker 5: And it was like, that's not that's not going along

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Speaker 5: Sounds like latest We're gonna be here midnights.

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Speaker 2: Like that could have that could have been one of

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Speaker 2: the seventies groups that y'all covered in your other in

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Speaker 2: your other group, the like over the Ohio Players, the

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Speaker 2: Late Night Players, Like I could have seen it coming, man,

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Speaker 2: So what happens when you realize that you have to go,

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Speaker 2: that you're gonna go solo? Because you said this before

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Speaker 2: you went solo? Is it like every you know movie

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Speaker 2: How to go?

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Speaker 3: That's such a good question, such generous question askers. I

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Speaker 3: guess it's good because you host a podcast, but I

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Speaker 3: don't pause. Okay, So we started like like pieces started

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Speaker 3: chipping off of the group. We we actually fired one guy.

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Speaker 4: It was awful, but it just.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't really working out, not in any dramatic or interesting way.

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Speaker 4: It just was like it's it. It just was.

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Speaker 3: It was what we decided to do at the time,

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Speaker 3: and we thought it was a good decision, and in retrospect,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, we should have just let this.

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Speaker 2: Great guys, what was wrong with us. We got a

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Speaker 2: Lord of the flies, the power your head.

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Speaker 4: It did. But you know, we're still cool with that guy.

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Speaker 4: We were all at his wedding.

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Speaker 3: Wow, it was like embarrassing for us that we like,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, ladies and gentlemen, the late night players, go ahead,

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Speaker 3: Show him how funny, show them how fun show him

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't keep.

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Speaker 4: Years ahead of that. It was basically like, if.

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Speaker 3: You love Harry pot and there's so many of you

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Speaker 4: It was cool. So he wanted us to do that

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Speaker 5: If you're not into it, you're like, the fuck is happening?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if you're the kind of person that

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Speaker 2: This is the road. That's not why we got in

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Speaker 5: Comedy a bust.

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Speaker 2: This is the late night players.

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Speaker 2: You know. And the other thing I'm gonna let you

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Speaker 6: Herr, but I am still going to support like and

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Speaker 5: She's just in love with them.

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Speaker 5: I just saw the movies, y'all. Please don't shoot me.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And the Harry Potters fans is like, look, we're

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Speaker 2: Then it stops. It's like and which one of ours,

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Speaker 2: Roland's weird like what her weirdness did damage to that

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Speaker 4: No, it's can I say something about it?

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Speaker 3: Was bizarre carve out Like I still I understand that.

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Speaker 5: Don't do it. Yeah, like I said, and I started

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Speaker 6: But I know if I was to join something like that,

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Speaker 5: Whatever Hufflepuff doing. You know what we're gonna do. Hufflepuff

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Speaker 6: That's what we're gonna feed everybody. Our fundraise is gonna

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Speaker 6: be like, let's let's see who can sleep the most,

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Speaker 5: You know how to be like you.

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Speaker 6: Can run five k's and we give you, you know, so

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Speaker 5: Come on, house, huffle puff.

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Speaker 2: You know you can do.

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Speaker 5: Activism in different ways everything. I gotta be all active

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Speaker 2: So how did you start writing comedy raps? Like was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what did you say? I'm forty So I'm forty three,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how to happen, because I mean

443
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 2: power the first couple of season Powering is my ship

444
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 2: and then apparently they have thirty seven seasons.

445
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,119
Speaker 5: Now they do it in different versions and versus.

446
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I couldn't keep up. But like my brother,

447
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,200
Speaker 2: I'm sure knows all that stuff. And Pokemon. I remember

448
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,199
Speaker 2: literally telling to turn it to my brother while we

449
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 2: were watching it, and uh, it was doing that thing

450
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 2: where it's like, who's dad Pokemon and it's like a

451
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 2: silhouette and then they're supposed to name.

452
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 5: It, and I was always wrong.

453
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 2: I looked at him and I just went, this is

454
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 2: just selling toys.

455
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 6: Of course it repeats its name so that you can

456
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 6: hold the ship out of your parents.

457
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 2: But I don't know, well, I guess the joke to

458
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 2: me is like I don't know why I made that distinction.

459
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,199
Speaker 2: All of it is just selling toys. Like everything I

460
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 2: loved as a kid was literally just like Transformers by

461
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 2: the toy, g I Joe by the toy. And then

462
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 2: for some fucking reason that day I was just like,

463
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 2: this is selling us toys. We should stop.

464
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:28,200
Speaker 3: Watching this to you had the key epiphany of capitalism. Yeah, Phill,

465
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 3: I do feel like, okay, like those movie like Pirates

466
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 3: of the Caribbean, you know, a movie based on a ride,

467
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 3: like at least maybe with Power Rangers, there was some

468
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 3: like narrative ip.

469
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 2: Before the hour for sure? For sure?

470
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 4: Or is that not true? I would be.

471
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 5: Sometimes it's not true.

472
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 2: Well, well, yeah, so Power Rangers is a lot like

473
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 2: Transformers and some of the stuff we grow up with.

474
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,479
Speaker 2: Some of that stuff didn't even originate here. It's like

475
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 2: Japanese and then the English audio that we know it

476
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 2: as isn't even the original stuff they were talking about.

477
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,479
Speaker 2: So it's just like some American people were like, this

478
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 2: is also true with a lot of kung fu movies

479
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,919
Speaker 2: like some American people were like, we're gonna this is

480
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 2: cool enough to sell to these kids, I don't know,

481
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,640
Speaker 2: just fucking make them say something when their mouth moves.

482
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's why it was always off and you would

483
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 6: be like, I don't think they're speaking English.

484
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 2: And none of the shows typically line up narratively, like

485
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 2: each episode might as well just start over on a

486
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 2: new one. And I tried rewatching Transformers season one. When

487
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 2: the Blu Rays dropped, I bought the like collection. I

488
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 2: was like, I remember this, it was so good, and

489
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 2: I think I got two episodes in. It was bad

490
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 2: and not even bad in a funny way. It's just bad.

491
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 3: So but you know, can I ask a Transformers related question,

492
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 3: do you remember there was sort of like a there

493
00:23:55,280 --> 00:24:00,719
Speaker 3: was like a unif fath Transformer things like go bots.

494
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 3: There was like they were sort of like lower yeah

495
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 3: caliber Transformers, Yeah.

496
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 2: Go bou Yeah.

497
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 6: Because Roger's mama used to get him to go box.

498
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 6: Go I'm not paying the nine, nine and nine for Transformers,

499
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 6: You're gonna get these two for five go bots.

500
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, go boxes. My mom got me from family dollars

501
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 2: and ship it.

502
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 5: Was like it's the same thing, Mama. It ain't it.

503
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 2: Ain't.

504
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 6: They don't even transform Mama, No, they do. Their arms

505
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 6: don't beIN.

506
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 3: Right, by the way, there's a as Transformers is to gobots.

507
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 3: There is a Harry Potter analog named Charlie Bone. No way,

508
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 3: he's bots of I'm not Charlie Bone.

509
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 5: Holy shit, that's terrible, right, that's a horrible name.

510
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 2: They even have books like like Charlie Bone, just like

511
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 2: rip off of Harry Potter with no like No, they

512
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 2: don't have any lore or anything.

513
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 5: Right, you know what Charlie Bone sound like. He would

514
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 5: be on one of them c S I series. I'm

515
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 5: Charlie Bones. I go, so the crimes. What do you do?

516
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 5: I go dig up the bones. It's in my name,

517
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 5: trying to bone serve.

518
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 4: Okay.

519
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 3: So, but then there was something that I remember from

520
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 3: my childhood called it rock Lords, and it.

521
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 4: Was Transformers, but they turned into rocks.

522
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 2: Yes, I remember that happened.

523
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, looking back, it sort of boggles of the mind.

524
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, do you have a picture of that, baby,

525
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 2: I can pull some up.

526
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 6: Yeah.

527
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 2: But also same thing, similar thing, like no TV show

528
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 2: or anything. It's just it's just a rip off. Like

529
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 2: there was also a toy and I forget the name

530
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 2: of these toys, but they were like American guy dolls

531
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 2: or something, and they were like some American soldiers or

532
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 2: something like that. Yes, written it was so clearly a

533
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 2: rip off of GAJO. Even on the packaging on the

534
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 2: back it would say like stats and stuff.

535
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 7: Like G I.

536
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 2: Joe had and everything.

537
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 5: Oh that toy looks terrible.

538
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 4: Yes, wow, yeah, kind of blowing my mind right now.

539
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 4: It's nostalgia. I remember there was one named Nugget.

540
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 5: Nugget.

541
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 2: How many names could there possibly be?

542
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 5: For get too creative?

543
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 2: I mean with rock Lord that has to be like granted, yes, Limestone, Yeah,

544
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 2: you can't have.

545
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 6: So many names, Marble, yeah, Countertop, I mean the name

546
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 6: this doesn't make sense.

547
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 8: But yeah, and then I don't remember I can't remember

548
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 8: the the other doll, the but it was like an

549
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 8: American soldier action figure or something.

550
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 2: And it was just so pathetic. I just remember being like, Oh,

551
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 2: this this sucks. These aren't G I. Joe's and they weren't.

552
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 2: They weren't ash what do they call it where they

553
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 2: can move their arms reticulated articulate. Yeah, so they didn't

554
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 2: have as many points of articulation as the G I

555
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 2: Joe so like their arm would.

556
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 4: Move like this.

557
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 2: Joe had like a wrist thing and they and also

558
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: for some for some reason that the hole they had

559
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,360
Speaker 2: no elbows, the holes in their arms that allowed them

560
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 2: to hold weapons were just a little bit too small

561
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 2: to hold Gi Joe weapons. You could like squeeze them in,

562
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 2: but they pop out like after a few seconds.

563
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 5: I don't know.

564
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 2: It was just such a weird ripoff. And my mom

565
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 2: bought me those because she was like, g I Joe's cosmore, God.

566
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 6: More than I'm willing to pay for you to tear

567
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 6: up in less than ten minutes.

568
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 2: So you're so, how did the rap start? I'm sorry,

569
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 2: we we all off topic. Baby, this is what we did.

570
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 4: I know, I feel like that's it. That's the thing.

571
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 3: It's a sign of a healthy conversation, lots of digression.

572
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 3: So my first first rap tapes I got for Hanukkah

573
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,959
Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety one were not Eybody Nature's self titled

574
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 3: debut as Useful Journey by Heavy B and the Boys.

575
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 5: Let's Go Heavy.

576
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 4: Yeah lp uh So I.

577
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had been into I got into rap like

578
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 3: like untold numbers of little white Jewish kids around that time,

579
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 3: and it started being on MTV and then we were

580
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 3: all exposed to it and we got so into it.

581
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 3: And so yeah, I kind of grew up where like

582
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 3: my friends and I would like fuck around and write

583
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 3: raps as a joke when we were teenagers. It was

584
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 3: just like a you know, like a goof around thing

585
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 3: that we did together. But I remember, and I say

586
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 3: this with I am laughing, I am making fun of myself,

587
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 3: but I thought, I'm better at this than everybody else's

588
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 3: in my friend group, like little raps that I make up, Like,

589
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 3: I think they're kind of good in a way, though

590
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 3: you know, they definitely weren't great in lots and lots

591
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 3: of ways in almost all ways.

592
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 4: But I I.

593
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 3: Saw saw what I was doing, and so I kind

594
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 3: of stuck with it. I had this experience in college

595
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 3: where I went to a Naughty by Nature concert.

596
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 4: They had had Tufts in Boston.

597
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 3: They had just put out the album that had Jim

598
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 3: Beree on it, so they were touring with that song,

599
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 3: and they they were like, hey, uh, like every stop

600
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 3: we go, every show we do, we like to like.

601
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 4: Bring up local performers.

602
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 3: So like toughs, if there's anybody here who raps and

603
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 3: you want to come on stage, like, go ahead and

604
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 3: come on up. And they were like the first rap

605
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 3: group I'd ever been into, and so my friend, my

606
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 3: friend put my arm up in the air and they

607
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 3: were like, yeah, kid.

608
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 4: Rock, I remember tricks, come on up, And.

609
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 3: So I wrapped.

610
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 4: With them and it went really well.

611
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 3: When I was a sophomore in college, like KG was

612
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 3: like dropping the beats out for my punchlines and stuff,

613
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 3: and so with Land with like a big you know,

614
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 3: it was just exhilarating. I can feel my uh like

615
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 3: hormones and stuff, like, yeah, chemicals kicking in as I

616
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 3: talk about it.

617
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 4: I'm like super adrenalized. Oh so yeah. So I just

618
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 4: kind of stuck with it.

619
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 3: And then in my twenties, i'd been like doing sketch comedy,

620
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 3: which was like communicating one comedic idea and then elaborating

621
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 3: on it in a space of like two to three minutes,

622
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 3: four tops, and then you're out. And so I just

623
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 3: feel like, no intention, I didn't expect for it to happen,

624
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 3: But after a while, I was like I had sort

625
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 3: of always just kind of messed around with writing rap

626
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 3: lyrics when the idea would occur to me.

627
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 4: Eventually, I was like.

628
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 3: Oh, these two things can be merry together into because

629
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 3: that's like about the length of a song, like a

630
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 3: sketch is a non mutual comedy song, or a comedy

631
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 3: song is a musical sketch, and you're just doing the lyrics.

632
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 3: So that's the That for me is kind of like

633
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 3: the through line to like being a fan and then

634
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 3: trying to write, but not really having any scaffolding or

635
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 3: structure or platform for how the raps were gonna. It

636
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 3: was just like random assortments of couplets about what a

637
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 3: great rapper I was, and so then I started for

638
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 3: hang out like okay, I can do, and then those

639
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 3: early raps.

640
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 4: It's really I actually.

641
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 3: Find it really embarrassing to look back on, Like I'm

642
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 3: not one of those artists who's like, it's all been

643
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 3: good all along. I don't know who is Mike, right,

644
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 3: I think Mike.

645
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 5: Mike.

646
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike is probably so well balanced and not as insecure,

647
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 2: so he's able to look at it and be like,

648
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 2: even if it wasn't good, He's like, but I thought

649
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: it was good at the time, and that that is good,

650
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,959
Speaker 2: and that's what led me to be good now or something.

651
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: And now ten years from now, I might look back

652
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 2: and think this isn't as good. But because his brain

653
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 2: works like a computer, yeah, he's able to process all that.

654
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 2: I also have a secondhand embarrassment for all everything old

655
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: that I've that I've written. And I have stuff around

656
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 2: here that's old that I've.

657
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 5: Written, Yes, stuff you have written to me. I have

658
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 5: all the letters that you wrote me in college.

659
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have a bunch of like raps and

660
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 2: poems I wrote in school and stuff because for me,

661
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,719
Speaker 2: I used to write not not humble rack, but I

662
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 2: was smarter than the classes I was in. So I

663
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,239
Speaker 2: would write during the class, like just be like, oh,

664
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna write some raps and then just fill up

665
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: notebook after notebook of just you know, ramblings and verses

666
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 2: and stuff. And so I kept a lot of it.

667
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: I don't have all of it, but once I was

668
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 2: done writing it, I was done with.

669
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 9: It, like like like I look at that, sit down,

670
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 9: like Jesus Christ, these are horrible.

671
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 4: What was I What was I thinking?

672
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 2: Why did I Why did I want to do that?

673
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 6: You know?

674
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 4: Got that out of my system?

675
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I did. I tried to rap like I

676
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 2: did it for a little bit when I was like

677
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 2: twenty something, Yes, even and my brother Detroit and looked

678
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 2: at Detroit.

679
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 5: We did for people, even do the songs and stuff.

680
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, like my friends and stuff liked it, you know,

681
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: like like people like we would sell like a mixtape

682
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 2: for five dollars or something, because we weren't trying to

683
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 2: really make any money and so we were just it

684
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: was like a hobby, Like what a fun thing we're doing.

685
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 2: But I didn't care enough to want to be good

686
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 2: at it because I just thought it was so hard

687
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: for people and random for people to be good, you know,

688
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: like uh yeah. And then I had a friend who,

689
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: no offense to him, was not as good a rap

690
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 2: as me and my brother, but he did want to

691
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: make a care out of it, and he was pouring

692
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: so much money into it.

693
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 5: Oh, he spent so much money.

694
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 2: That was yeah, yeah, And that was a deterrent for

695
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: me because I was like, oh, it costs a little

696
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 2: bit of money just to record what we did, and

697
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 2: that was fine, but like to try to pay someone

698
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 2: to play it on the radio during the noon hour,

699
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: that feels a little like too.

700
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 5: Much and it sounds like it was a hustle. Like

701
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 5: they was like, oh, you got money and they was

702
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 5: just trying to hustle him out.

703
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a million ways to get hustled music wise.

704
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 2: But what's interesting though, is if it was comedy as

705
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: opposed to like cause we made like serious not that serious,

706
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: but we made like serious RAPU he would live in

707
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 2: his raps some of them, some of them were funny.

708
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 2: But I think comedy rap there's probably less of a

709
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 2: predatory nature, right because it seems like the people or

710
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 2: they really want to like screw you over are the

711
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 2: people they think have some type of wide stream appeal

712
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: in a certain lane of hip hop. I just wonder if,

713
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 2: like comedy wise, that they're like, oh he's doing jokes

714
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 2: and comedy, the super duper predators might not like come

715
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 2: in that lane. How's your experience been.

716
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,719
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Speaker 4: I mean, I have so much to say about it.

724
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 3: And also my experiences at the time were like my

725
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 3: recollections are obscured by like a fog of obliviousness, Like

726
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 3: I was just like people.

727
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 4: Like when I rap, so here I go.

728
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 3: It wasn't really like very carefully considered, like careers Withdrew,

729
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 3: like I feel super lucky that it has friked out

730
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 3: and that I continued to like introspect about my relationship

731
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 3: to what it meant to be like a guy using

732
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 3: laps to make jokes and like trying to triangulate as

733
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 3: to like where I was going to be comfortable with that.

734
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 3: But at the beginning, I was just like you know,

735
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 3: one of my early like bangers in the Cambridge alt

736
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 3: comedy scene, where like, let me say, I knew just

737
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 3: by virtue of ever having listened to rap, like I was.

738
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 4: The people I was.

739
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 3: Performing for were all like people who lived in Cambridge

740
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 3: and were coming to stand up comedy shows, so like,

741
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 3: just by virtue of having ever listened to rap, I

742
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 3: knew more about it than ninety nine percent of them,

743
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 3: and they were like willing to take my word that.

744
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 2: This was rap, right, but so like, yeah, I think

745
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 2: this is the hip hop thing the kids are doing.

746
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 3: Oh okay, this seems like an approachable, accessible way for

747
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 3: me to.

748
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 4: Listen to this, Like this doesn't seem so bad.

749
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 2: It's like the end of a back to the future

750
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 2: where I guys, Colin, uh, that's dope though.

751
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 4: God. So yeah.

752
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 3: So, like you know, a lot of the premises of

753
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 3: that early stuff was like, like the first song that

754
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 3: I felt, like, you know, people like would comment to

755
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:43,959
Speaker 3: me about was a song called the sphigmo Monometer, which

756
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 3: you probably know is the name for like the blood

757
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 3: pressure cuff that they test you with at the doctor,

758
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 3: like the velcral one that they pump up. Yeah, And

759
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 3: so the rap was just about all about it was

760
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 3: like a song about what an unlikely name that was

761
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 3: and how strange and silly it sounded.

762
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 4: And so that was like what all those raps were.

763
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 3: Just like the common thesis was like, who would ever

764
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 3: write a rap about this? But this nerdy Jewish guy

765
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 3: seems slightly better at rapping than we expected, So I

766
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 3: guess let's put it all together.

767
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 4: And that's a comedy act.

768
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: I also appreciate the charity of you saying that we

769
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 2: would know what that is, because I definitely did not

770
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 2: know the man of that.

771
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 5: Hell that's what the that's what they called an arm cuffy.

772
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 4: Yeah m hm.

773
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 3: So it was really important for the success of that

774
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 3: song that most people didn't know.

775
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 4: That that's.

776
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 2: That would be terrible if you like did that rap

777
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 2: to like a medical group or something. They were like, yeah,

778
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:42,439
Speaker 2: it was like.

779
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 9: We know, we know shit, and yeah, so that's that

780
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 9: was on my I mean, so I got to put

781
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 9: out a record with Comedy Central Records, and Spigma Monometer

782
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 9: is definitely on there.

783
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 3: It's under my it's under MC mister Napkins. So you know,

784
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 3: it's out there for people to listen to. It's good,

785
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 3: Like it's sort of embarrassing, but there's good things about it.

786
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 4: Now is a.

787
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 2: Comedy record deal? Like, is it as predatory? Do you

788
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 2: feel like, you know, signing the Sugar Night and Death

789
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 2: Row where you're like, oh God, I hope they don't

790
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 2: hold me on their balcony some shit.

791
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 4: Hope.

792
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 2: I hope I see some money from this one day.

793
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 3: Well, I think the difference between the scale at which

794
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 3: I was signing record Deals and that at which Should

795
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 3: Knight was signing people the Record Deals was like there

796
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 3: was a lot of daylight between those two, Like what part.

797
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 2: Of well, I mean you got in after the Comedy

798
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 2: East Coast West Coast BF, so you know, I think

799
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 2: you would have been all right. It was after Sam

800
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,760
Speaker 2: Knderson and Chris Farley died, so he didn't have anything

801
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 2: choice run.

802
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

803
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll say this, like I never saw like

804
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 3: it didn't you know, it didn't really change my fortunes

805
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 3: in any direction. It was nice at that point when

806
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 3: I hadn't really done anything else to be able to

807
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 3: like attach Comedy Central to my name.

808
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 4: Though also in comedy a lot.

809
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 3: Of times you get introduced when you don't have any credits, as.

810
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 4: He's been on Comedy Central, people just make it up

811
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 4: to the crowd.

812
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 2: Oh damn, it's just.

813
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 3: Like the go to like probably they'll throw they people

814
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 3: believe that they would throw this.

815
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 4: Crappy out right.

816
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 5: It was like people are going, yeah, right, right.

817
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 4: Right exactly. The Internet salutes. So that was nice.

818
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 3: But I will say like it kind of sucks, like

819
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 3: there's still administrative stuff to this day that I have

820
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 3: to like deal with because it's like, you know, an

821
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 3: eighty dollars check you It's I'm not at the point

822
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 3: where I'm not like, yeah, I mean i'd like eighty

823
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 3: dollars off of the music.

824
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, over a decade ago, yure? Why not?

825
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 2: Right?

826
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 3: So you know, it is like it's been a little

827
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 3: squirrely along the way, I will say, or it's just

828
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 3: been a hassle. And so I don't say that to

829
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 3: complain as much as like, I can imagine that if

830
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 3: you talking about real numbers and real money and these

831
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 3: kinds of like misunderstandings and lack of clarity are happening,

832
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 3: Like I could see it being the kind of thing

833
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 3: that you would sue somebody over if it were like

834
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 3: one hundred or one thousand or a million times bigger

835
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 3: than it was.

836
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just interesting because I I do understand that

837
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 2: because we've had that kind of stuff happened with the show,

838
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 2: where it's like sometimes it's good to just be associated

839
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 2: with something even if it doesn't technically make you a

840
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 2: lot of money or doing like your life's kind of

841
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: the same. But people are like, wait, HBO is doing

842
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 2: something with you, and that means a lot to them.

843
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 2: So it's like, sure, I'll do it because it means

844
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 2: a lot to y'all, But technically, I just want you

845
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 2: to know I was dope before this, and.

846
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like, no, they made you roy.

847
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 2: I appreciate y'all recognizing that I was dope, But that's

848
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 2: how this thing works is that they normally don't message

849
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,959
Speaker 2: you until after you've already kind of established that you're good.

850
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: So then with with with the like comedy rap? Is

851
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 2: there any such thing as like the comedy wrap beef?

852
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 2: Or is there comedy rap like behind the scenes stuff

853
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: and like it is in.

854
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 4: The rap gay? I wish.

855
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 3: I mean, you could go through a list of comedy rappers.

856
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 3: You know, we can all spew some names.

857
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 2: Out, but we don't want to get you in no trouble, Okay,

858
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 2: I know weird ou likes to like come after people.

859
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 3: You do not believe the way he always seems nice at

860
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 3: every possible. That guy is a monster. He's a sociophith

861
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 3: I never had anything like rap beef with people. It

862
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 3: just I think I was like it would be most

863
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 3: appropriate to think of me as like a stand up

864
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 3: comic who had a weird act. I just I felt

865
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 3: so much like I was part of the comedy scene.

866
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 2: And do you ever feel like people do you ever

867
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 2: feel like people are poses? Though, because there's also people

868
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 2: that like make one comedy rep you know what I mean,

869
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 2: or they like they do it for like, you know,

870
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 2: like a week, and then they're out of the game.

871
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, that's not that's not You're not really

872
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: one of us.

873
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 4: Mm hmm yep.

874
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 3: Or I would do I like this, let's get in there,

875
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 3: let's name man, I know, but would musical comedy shows

876
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 3: which who I don't know Who's like, yeah, I need

877
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 3: a I need a whole show of all musical comedy.

878
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 3: But they they apparently exist because I've done those shows

879
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 3: to not empty houses, And man, you would definitely see

880
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 3: people who are like, I want to try my hand

881
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 3: at this rap, at this comedy rap stuff, and man

882
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 3: it is it's hard.

883
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 4: It's hard to sit through.

884
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 3: And plus there are some basic rules that you like,

885
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 3: if someone said to me, like, how do I get

886
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 3: started in comedy music? I would say, like, if you

887
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 3: you need to have this vision so clearly that you

888
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 3: don't need to ask me any questions, because my advice

889
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 3: to you is find a different path.

890
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 4: One rule is you can't repeat your choruses.

891
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 3: In a comedy song, you have to change that chorus

892
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,959
Speaker 3: every time it comes around. And so by the time

893
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 3: the third time you sit through a chorus about like

894
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 3: just change the lyric that it ends on or something

895
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 3: to keep people interested. But you know, the third time

896
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 3: you sit through the same chorus about like somebody's camelto

897
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 3: or something, it's just you question all your.

898
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 2: Life and then like the thing too. Is a lot

899
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 2: of times with the comedy music route, it does seem

900
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: to help the people that have like a background in music,

901
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I don't think it's necessary,

902
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 2: but like there's like an extra level, like so you

903
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 2: can be on beat, Like when I watch Bo Burnham's

904
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 2: special on Netflix and you're just like this motherfucker could

905
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 2: have been a musician musician, right, he just went into

906
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: this other lane of I want to make it. I

907
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 2: want to make fun point and stuff. Same thing where

908
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 2: where you're like you listen to somebody like this person

909
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 2: could have just wrapped yes. But but on the top

910
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 2: of that, like I think that's like as a floor,

911
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 2: it needs to be like you could have just done

912
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 2: this thing as opposed to like listen, I'm bad at this,

913
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 2: but I'm funny. It's like, well I don't want to

914
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 2: see that, right, No, no, I have.

915
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 3: I had one idea that could be a rap and

916
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 3: expressed it as a rap.

917
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 4: Yeah that's not like me.

918
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:34,919
Speaker 6: No, I'm not good at it and I don't even

919
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 6: pretend to try.

920
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 5: I am horrible, Like.

921
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 3: I won't lie. I would feel really it would feel

922
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 3: great to me when people would be like after shows

923
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 3: they would be like, hey, like you're you can ramp.

924
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 3: I mean, like the compliment would feel fantastic. But I

925
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 3: really think that for me, it was like rapping was

926
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 3: the way I was going to do comedy because I

927
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 3: wasn't as stand up and I had these ideas and

928
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 3: I didn't want to do sketch. So like, I don't

929
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 3: know specifically that it was rap. That was just the

930
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 3: music that I listened to. As it turned out, I like,

931
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 3: I really like lyrics. It just is like a I

932
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 3: don't know, it has proved I'm not exactly sure why,

933
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 3: but it has proved to be like a really fruitful

934
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 3: way for me to get ideas out.

935
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I guess what I mean is more

936
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 2: like some people think the joke is being bad at

937
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 2: it and it's like yes, it's like that that that

938
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 2: has a very short shelf, like like.

939
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, because the requirement is going to go up there,

940
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 6: gonna like you eventually you need to actually be good.

941
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:35,919
Speaker 5: Yeah.

942
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,959
Speaker 2: After after a while, I'm just listening to bad rap.

943
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: So most people that's not a thing they want to do.

944
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 2: So there has to be a baseline of like, yeah,

945
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 2: like you said, it's a compliment, but it's also like

946
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 2: kind of like to me, the underlying skill of it,

947
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 2: which is, oh no, you can rap, and then you

948
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 2: say interesting, funny shit I want to hear, which is

949
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 2: just basically what rap is, right, well, good rap. So

950
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 2: you have you're you're you're wrapping uh by yourself. You've

951
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 2: gone solo, you left the late night players behind. How

952
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 2: do you get into the epic rap battle? Uh comedy sphere?

953
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay. So I moved to LA

954
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 3: to pursue show business dreams. Oh yeah, I was wrapping

955
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 3: out here and it was going okay. I was meeting

956
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 3: people that was good, Doing spots was good.

957
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 2: And where'd you come to? Where'd you come from before

958
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 2: Boston to l A?

959
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 4: Yeah?

960
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 3: I lived in Boston, Okay, New York, Oh okay, Okay.

961
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 2: I didn't get wich scene was better for the comedy

962
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 2: rap game. It's a very specific game.

963
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 5: I know about these streets.

964
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 4: Oh my god, No, it's a discomfort sweat again.

965
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 2: I just.

966
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 4: It's so like.

967
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 3: Whatever I felt Boston, I was like, Okay, I'm like

968
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 3: outgrowing my aquarium. It's time for me to move to

969
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 3: like a bigger place. And then I got to La

970
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 3: and I was like, whoa, it's way bigger here than

971
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 3: I thought.

972
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 4: It was going to be.

973
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 3: So but you know, I was finding my way. I

974
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 3: was meeting people and being in the places that you

975
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 3: should be. And then I had met Lloyd Alquist, who's

976
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 3: one of the two creators of epic rap Battles of History, which,

977
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 3: if people don't know, is like in Its in Its Lane,

978
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,720
Speaker 3: a massively popular YouTube series.

979
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, like if no one's like they they also have

980
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: the albums and stuff on like yeah Spotify stuff. I've

981
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 2: watched the videos and it is so dope, like I

982
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 2: like honestly his like it was one of the first

983
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 2: things that I remember like nerding out on on the

984
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 2: internet where I was like, oh man, this internet's got

985
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 2: something to it. Because I've been on the YouTube. I

986
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 2: got some good stuff over there.

987
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 4: I think this is going to really thrive.

988
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 5: Yes, I think one day this is gonna be really big. Guy,

989
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 5: listen to me.

990
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

991
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 3: So Lloyd and I, you know, when I came to

992
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 3: LA and was like reaching out for friends, to anyone

993
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 3: i'd ever met who I knew lived out here, Lloyd

994
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 3: was really you know, he's a very his name sounds

995
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 3: like the word loyal. Yeah, Like to my ear, that's like,

996
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 3: you know, there's some meaning there.

997
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 4: He's like loyal Lloyd.

998
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 3: So he was like, yeah, come around, do spots at

999
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 3: the theater I'm managing. And so then we were just

1000
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 3: in each other's lives again, after like meeting maybe ten

1001
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 3: years earlier at some comedy festival on the East Coast,

1002
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 3: we just kind of stayed in touch over the years

1003
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 3: we toured on the college circuit. He also was like

1004
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 3: active there with his group, his improv group, so we

1005
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 3: had like some we stayed in touch.

1006
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 4: So then I moved to LA. He was kind of.

1007
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 3: Like, hey, we're starting this thing. We might have some

1008
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 3: sort of writer position available. And then I feel like

1009
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 3: between that conversation and when I actually came on, the

1010
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 3: series sort of took off. They had a they did

1011
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 3: Darth Vader versus Adolf Hitler really when like it got

1012
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 3: banned in Europe, which is always a great sign, and.

1013
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 4: Yeah that's right, so you know. Yeah, so then they

1014
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 4: were like, Okay, we got to start making a lot

1015
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 4: of these videos. We're gonna need writers, and so do.

1016
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 2: You know that was in do you know why it

1017
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 2: got banned in Europe?

1018
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 3: I think Adolf Hitler and Holocaust material is like pretty

1019
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 3: still sensitive as it, which.

1020
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 4: I don't just be. I mean, I'm just trying to

1021
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 4: think warranted.

1022
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to think of like how vicious the

1023
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 2: bars had to be for them to be like yo,

1024
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 2: too much, like this is too much like Hitler's fitting

1025
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 2: too much sauce right now, going too hard. This mofucker

1026
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 2: about to bring the movement back with these jokes. There

1027
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 2: was too many, too many skinheads on the train being

1028
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 2: like what you listenst.

1029
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 7: Listen to that hot fire that no Hitler, Like, no, sir,

1030
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:12,240
Speaker 7: no Hitler, Heitler, new ship, new ship.

1031
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 2: Remember when like DJ used to lead their phone numbers

1032
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 2: on the mixtape, Yes, five five five seven, like you know,

1033
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 2: oh no, yeah Hitler Rappid is bad. You do have

1034
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 2: to ban it?

1035
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I would agree, but.

1036
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 2: But I do. That was the first ever battle that

1037
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 2: I saw, and that was the one that that did

1038
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 2: make me be like, this is great, Like these people

1039
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 2: are really good at rappid And I did not want

1040
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: to join any causes. I didn't join the Dark Darth

1041
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 2: Vader in the siss and I didn't join Hitler in

1042
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 2: the Nazis. But I just thought that the concept was

1043
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 2: so dope, you know.

1044
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and I think they were trying to do

1045
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 3: like what we were sort of speaking to earlier, where

1046
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 3: it was like, it's going to be well produced, the

1047
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 3: it's actually going to be historically accurate, it's gonna be

1048
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,439
Speaker 3: funny and like outlandish and then sneakily like we're also

1049
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 3: gonna try and rap, like we actually are going to

1050
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 3: bring some craft to like the yeahs of it. And

1051
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 3: so I think that was kind of their formula.

1052
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:20,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so you start writing for them, So does

1053
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 2: that mean when you so, how's the writing process? Forday?

1054
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 2: Like I've written now for one TV show? Okay, cool,

1055
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 2: So I know what it's like, Okay, but what's the

1056
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 2: writing process for like rap? You know what I'm saying,

1057
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 2: because you know, is it a collaborative thing. Are they

1058
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 2: just assigning something to you or are they like people

1059
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 2: that portray the character have to write the rap, Like

1060
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 2: how does that work well?

1061
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 4: As you might imagine.

1062
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 3: So now it's been like twelve, I mean my twelfth

1063
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 3: year of still writing for the series, and it's been

1064
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 3: you know, there have been peaks and ebbs and flows

1065
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 3: and how much was coming out, but it's it's stayed

1066
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,720
Speaker 3: relatively consistent. Like I bet, every year of my career

1067
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 3: since twenty eleven, I've like done paid work for ERB SO.

1068
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 4: And so.

1069
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 3: As you also might imagine, the process has changed a

1070
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 3: lot over time, and depending on what's going on, it

1071
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 3: can look different.

1072
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 4: But I would say the classic answer to your.

1073
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 3: Question is that they would give us the you know,

1074
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 3: they they hand down the matchups. Sometimes I'm brought into

1075
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 3: those discussions, but when they're like mapping out a season,

1076
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 3: they'll be like, Okay, you know.

1077
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 4: We're gonna end with this big event.

1078
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 3: We're going to do this along the way, We're going

1079
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 3: to do this, So they hand out the matchups and

1080
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 3: then it's like, okay, now we're writing on you know,

1081
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 3: whatever it is. And so then I'll send in a

1082
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 3: script full of lyrics. Just sometimes even just like a

1083
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 3: Google doc or I'll like throw together like a super

1084
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 3: quick demo over some beat that they send, just so

1085
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 3: they can hear where I'm hearing the jokes landing and

1086
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 3: stuff like that, and then they'll kind of take they'll

1087
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 3: cannibalize that and take the stuff that they want and

1088
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 3: chop it up and rearrange it and rewrite it and

1089
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 3: and then. But so that's one way it can go,

1090
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 3: Like if I'm touring or something and they need some

1091
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 3: scripts and like that's how submit remotely. But the best

1092
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 3: way it goes is when it's the slowest way. But

1093
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 3: it's so fun to be like all three of us

1094
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 3: in the room and someone will throw out a thing

1095
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 3: and then it just like gets like thrown in the middle,

1096
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 3: and like everybody like spins it around like pizza dough

1097
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 3: and we're tossing it to each other and like, so

1098
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 3: that's really fun. That's the kind of like group collaborative mind.

1099
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 4: That you know, it's like the best version of it.

1100
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, that's interesting because rap like there's a

1101
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 2: cadus to it. I mean, there's a cadus to our

1102
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 2: humor anyway, right, And I know when we were right stuff.

1103
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 2: There's a way it happens in your head, there's a

1104
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 2: way it happens in the room, and it is a

1105
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 2: way it happens with an audience.

1106
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 3: And yes they're not all the same, right, I agree

1107
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 3: with that so strongly, but I've never articulated it or

1108
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 3: heard it articulated before.

1109
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 2: So, like with music, how instrumental are you in? Because

1110
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 2: it like with Caveen and stuff, right, like you can

1111
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 2: send bar to somebody and they can be like, we're

1112
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 2: going to accomplish it. But but if your bar is

1113
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 2: in a different type of rhythm or a different type

1114
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 2: of vibe, are there? You know? Is this stuff where

1115
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 2: they didn't manipulate it to get it in or they

1116
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 2: send it back to you or just mash it. Didn't

1117
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 2: make it this time?

1118
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 6: Oh well you know do you punch up to sometimes

1119
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 6: like they'll be like make this funnier?

1120
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:23,479
Speaker 4: Yes, Oh my god.

1121
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 3: I want to reiterate what I said before about generous

1122
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 3: questions you ask them. So, for example, I would be

1123
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 3: totally comfortable saying this in front of Lloyd.

1124
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 4: I have like a very pack in.

1125
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 3: As many syllables as you can squeeze in the internal

1126
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 3: rhymes whenever possible like make this, make it for syllable nerds.

1127
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 3: That that feels to me like where I want to

1128
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 3: go with raps, right, Lloyd one of the two guys

1129
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 3: in the series, he's like a blue collar rapper. He's like,

1130
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 3: just like, let's just bang the jokes in like as

1131
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 3: steadily as we can and really like land big body blows.

1132
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 3: And I just feel like over the years we've been

1133
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 3: like I will write lyrics that are to my specs

1134
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 3: and then he'll take it and just be like, well,

1135
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 3: this is I see the concept, I see the words

1136
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 3: that need to rhyme, I get what the essential joke is,

1137
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 3: and I'm throwing out a lot or all or maybe

1138
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 3: just some of the like flippity dippity ornamentation that you

1139
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 3: put on here, and like that's fine, that's a totally

1140
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 3: fine wayfort to go.

1141
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 2: But it does always feel like aw, even though it's

1142
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 2: probably just a little bit, it always does feel like

1143
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 2: all would they send it back, like, yeah, well so

1144
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 2: the version we decided to go and you're like, oh,

1145
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 2: so what you're trying to say?

1146
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 4: Like totally, And then when you do get it in,

1147
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 4: I always feel like I got away with a caper.

1148
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 2: Same same I'm stel like, there's this one joke that, uh,

1149
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 2: there's a couple of jokes we had for a Game Theory,

1150
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 2: which is the show that I write for and it's

1151
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 2: like a sports show. But there's this one joke IF

1152
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 2: pitched that was so bad. That was how I was

1153
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 2: funny and I knew it when I pitched it, and

1154
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 2: the room like grown laughed and I was like, so

1155
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 2: all right, I just had to get that outside everyone

1156
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 2: they were like and bomani the house was like, no,

1157
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 2: we should do that. I think I can sell that.

1158
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 2: We should and I'm like, like it really felt like

1159
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 2: shoplifting or something like like I just want to like

1160
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 2: exit the room, like my job is done here by

1161
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,280
Speaker 2: everybody because and it made the show.

1162
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,439
Speaker 3: I wrote some songs for the TV show Crazy Ex

1163
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 3: a Girlfriend, which had so much music in it and

1164
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 3: it was so cool, and one song I wrote was

1165
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 3: it was about like a rap battle of niceness, and

1166
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 3: so it was two characters, like, you know, one up

1167
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 3: in each other for who could be nicer, but it

1168
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 3: was actually very aggressive that a lot of there was

1169
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,439
Speaker 3: like confrontation behind the niceness, so they were like trying

1170
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 3: to top each other's compliment. And so I wrote this

1171
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 3: lyric lyric for it, and I said, I was looking

1172
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 3: up synonyms for rap battle on pesaurus dot com one

1173
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 3: of the lyric writers great friends along with rhyme zone

1174
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 3: dot com, and uh, it was like scrimmage was one

1175
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 3: of the synonyms for a battle, and so I wrote

1176
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 3: a lyric that was like this is so it's a

1177
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 3: compliment battle. And so I was like, this is a

1178
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 3: cheer scrimmage, like cheering ye a cheer scrimmage like a.

1179
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 4: Rap battle, but the mirror image. And I submitted it

1180
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 4: and I was like, there's never.

1181
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 5: A fly.

1182
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 2: And then I was like, oh no, somebody should we

1183
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 2: called it. We call it a heat We call it

1184
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 2: a heat check at our job, where it's like like

1185
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 2: and sometimes they catch them and they're like, all right,

1186
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 2: that's a good joke for a Friday, because like we

1187
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 2: got two more days and we can't say what you

1188
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 2: just wrote because it's too something. But everyone saw you

1189
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 2: do you do a heat check and it makes it

1190
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 2: through and it kills and you're like, all right, we

1191
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 2: got we're cooking with something and yeah, so and uh.

1192
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 2: Also the other thing I say is like your job

1193
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 2: is to shoot, you know, you're you're there like the

1194
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 2: shooting guard on basketball team. Your job isn't to make

1195
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 2: the decisions. Just if we give you the ball, shoot

1196
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 2: So if they if you wrote something and they'll go, yeah,

1197
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 2: that's good, we can make that work. That's that's how

1198
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 2: your job was. You know, even if you got it

1199
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 2: wasn't the best one.

1200
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 4: That's right.

1201
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 3: You played at the top of your skill and you

1202
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 3: have to you know, battle through imposter syndrome and say

1203
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 3: I'm here because they wanted me and my brain came

1204
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 3: up with this, so let's go.

1205
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, they caught me off the bench, so it's time

1206
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 6: to get out hand performed.

1207
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 2: That's huge, it's huge, But that is so it's so true.

1208
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 6: Man.

1209
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:47,439
Speaker 2: So all right, when do you get comfortable in that

1210
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 2: role as a writer and at what time do you

1211
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 2: start like performing because you're also you portrayed several characters

1212
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 2: in the epic rap Battles. Is it all at the

1213
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 2: same time, like you just come on and you're already

1214
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 2: like boom, I'm ready to do this or is it

1215
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 2: like you had to get comfortable doing it?

1216
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1217
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 3: Well for maybe, I mean I perhaps the two of

1218
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 3: you can relate to this, But my every like pursuit

1219
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 3: or endeavor that I've pursued. There's like a period of

1220
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,959
Speaker 3: complete and utter where you're like, I think this would

1221
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 3: be good to try. I'm probably okay at it, and

1222
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 3: you're like clueless about your skill level, your self awaitness

1223
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 3: is nil because of your experience. And then some time

1224
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 3: goes by and you have that thing maybe it's called

1225
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 3: the Dunning Krueger effect where you like start to realize

1226
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 3: how little you know about the thing you no longer yeah,

1227
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 3: you like know just enough to know that you don't

1228
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 3: know shit. Yeah, And then it starts to get to

1229
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 3: a point where you're like, you know, somewhere on the

1230
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 3: spectrum of like I mastered this is maybe like I

1231
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 3: don't know if I've gotten there with anything yet, but

1232
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 3: like some amounts of like, okay, I'm avoiding some of

1233
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 3: the big mistakes. I'm able to do some of the

1234
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 3: things that I would like to be doing. I can

1235
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 3: make choices now. Now it's like a little more informed.

1236
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 3: So with performing with Epic Grab Battles, they asked me

1237
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 3: to be The first role that I ever played was

1238
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,439
Speaker 3: Albert Einstein battling Stephen.

1239
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 2: Hockey, who your college was almost named after. That's right, wow, Rodart,

1240
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 2: damn hard hitting facts.

1241
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 3: They asked him to be the president and he was like, no,

1242
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 3: I'm a science guy, not the science guy.

1243
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 4: Yeah that would be.

1244
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 2: Later, that would be so yeah.

1245
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 3: So yeah, I did Einstein, and you know, I think

1246
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 3: it was probably the first acting I'd like ever done,

1247
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 3: and I just turned everything up as far as I

1248
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 3: could and screamed at the camera and that was that.

1249
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 3: And so I just did my eleventh battle I think

1250
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 3: for the series. I played John Wick and that was fun.

1251
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 3: I like watched all the movies and like spent a

1252
01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 3: lot of time trying to talk like him.

1253
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 4: And immit him.

1254
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 3: And it's not a perfect impression, but definitely it's the

1255
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 3: most I've ever like brought to a character in the series.

1256
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 4: So you know, you just start, how long does enough times?

1257
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 2: How long does it take? How long does the process

1258
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 2: take for you to cause like you've been there for

1259
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 2: almost eleven years and done eleven battles. Is it a

1260
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 2: long process to do a battle like the Is it

1261
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 2: a year long that you have to get it to

1262
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 2: these characters?

1263
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 3: No, it's always And because I'm only one part of

1264
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 3: the production machines, so like I'm just at the writing phase.

1265
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 3: So there's all this there's like a whole music phase

1266
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 3: where they make the songs, and then there's the whole

1267
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 3: shooting phase, and then there's the whole post phase. So

1268
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 3: it's really like a big it's a big machine. But

1269
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 3: you know, today, like we shot John Wick, I was

1270
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 3: in out in one day in a maximize efficiency on set.

1271
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 4: And then.

1272
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 3: I mean it's probably from starting to write a battle.

1273
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm sorry, I don't have a more.

1274
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 5: I want.

1275
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 4: You can take weeks, it can take months.

1276
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 5: What is your rap stance?

1277
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 6: Like do you have like a position that you stand

1278
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 6: in or was like do you kind of embody whoever

1279
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 6: you're performing?

1280
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 5: Like, you know, how does that go?

1281
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 2: How much Zach is in Einstein and John Wick?

1282
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1283
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah?

1284
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,919
Speaker 3: I was like, I think Karen's asking me, like how

1285
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 3: I stand when I rap?

1286
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 4: That? Am I understanding question? You know?

1287
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 5: Rap stance?

1288
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 6: Because you know how sometimes where people come they have

1289
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 6: like they have an order or like a presentation of themselves.

1290
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 5: So do you come on like swing your arms? So

1291
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 5: do you come on like embodying a character?

1292
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 4: Right?

1293
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 3: I remember one seeing someone imitate most Deaths rap hands

1294
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 3: like that, and I was like, oh, yeah, everybody's got

1295
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:53,439
Speaker 3: their own style.

1296
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1297
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 3: Uh, that's a good question. It's making me think I

1298
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 3: should think more about my body language. When I'm on stage,

1299
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 3: I just sort of show up and try and stamp

1300
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 3: like I think the character would. But in terms of

1301
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 3: when I myself rep maybe that's something I should watch

1302
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 3: some some.

1303
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 2: Yes, they like Drake got a different thing he do

1304
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 2: his hand every time.

1305
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 6: People have like their thing almost like their signature move

1306
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 6: like to kind of womb up and like that's the thing.

1307
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 6: Uh So, I guess the stance and a warm up

1308
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 6: would kind of be two different things.

1309
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 5: But how do you warm up? How do you prepare?

1310
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 4: Do you?

1311
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 5: You know?

1312
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 6: Some people say I have to be quiet, some people

1313
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 6: zone out, some people listen to music, Like how do

1314
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 6: you get your mind prepared to be like I'm gonna

1315
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 6: kill this shit?

1316
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 2: Mm hm.

1317
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 3: I find that pre showtime, like the half hour forty

1318
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 3: five minutes before a show is excruciating, So I really

1319
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 3: like to have something to do.

1320
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 4: I don't.

1321
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 3: The thought of just like sitting there quietly sounds like Actually,

1322
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 3: it's making me think that I should like lean into

1323
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 3: the discomfort and like try meditating quietly for ten minutes

1324
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 3: before show, but I like to be like busy and distracted.

1325
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, so uh yeah, I'll do anythingoul tidy.

1326
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 3: I like to tidy, so I'll like clean up a

1327
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 3: backstage and make sure my stuff is all nice and

1328
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 3: orderly for after a show.

1329
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 2: Do you talk? Do you talk to people? Are? Are

1330
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 2: you like? No, I'm just sit in my grave room

1331
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 2: or whatever by yourself because.

1332
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 3: That sounds better. Sitting alone in the green room sounds better.

1333
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 3: I bet I'm pretty bad company. Just leave me alone

1334
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 3: and let me meet in the room.

1335
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you have the audition for the care Like?

1336
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 2: Is it like here's our list of people we want

1337
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 2: to do this year. Do they already have y'all in

1338
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 2: mind where they're like, oh, that should be this guy?

1339
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 2: Or is it like maybe three people want to be

1340
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:42,439
Speaker 2: John Wick and they have to say who has the best,

1341
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 2: who do need to be best?

1342
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 3: Okay, So my answers there were about my personal performances,

1343
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 3: about being nervous and needing to tidy in that kind

1344
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 3: of thing. In terms of shooting erb Man, I don't know,

1345
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 3: like I find it very unstressful. It's a really supportive environment,

1346
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 3: and I don't identify hard as an actor, so I'm like,

1347
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 3: I just I don't have that much I can do here.

1348
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 4: Let me just give him what I got. I really am.

1349
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 3: There's no world in which I am a master here,

1350
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 3: so hopefully I'll be like right by accident. But uh no,

1351
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 3: Usually when I play a role, they like have it

1352
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 3: in mind, and sometimes I played a lot of times

1353
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 3: they give me like bookish nerds. So I've played like

1354
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 3: Albert Einstein, I've played Stephen King, I played Egon Spangler

1355
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 3: from The Ghostbusters. I played I played Doc Brown from

1356
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 3: Back to the Future, who is like an Albert Einstein takeoffs.

1357
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm so type that.

1358
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 2: You keep this up, You're going to get to play

1359
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 2: Rake from Rick and Morty.

1360
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 4: Let's go, I should pitch it and see.

1361
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my Albert Einstein Doc Brown Rick. That's that's like,

1362
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 2: that's your life trilogy.

1363
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 3: So and even John Wick I got cast because I

1364
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 3: have the beard.

1365
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 4: Oh that's what Keanu Rees' beard looks like.

1366
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 3: But so the only time they've gone against type, there's

1367
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 3: an erb where I play. I play Wayne Gretzky.

1368
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 2: Now, are you a sports guy that you know about

1369
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 2: stuff about Wayne Gretzky or is it just like listen,

1370
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 2: these are the bars Day wrote, it is my job, says.

1371
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 4: The Wikipedia p yes.

1372
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 2: Oh Man shout out to pro stars. Speaking of nineteen

1373
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 2: eighties nostalgics, I remember that cartoon cartoon with Wayne Gretzy

1374
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 2: bo Jackson. I think Michael Jordan's.

1375
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember that. I used to watch that.

1376
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 2: The thing I'd like to think of now is what

1377
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:48,439
Speaker 2: what the who would the pro stars be now? Right?

1378
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 2: Because that was the eighties, right, it was hockey, baseball,

1379
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 2: and basketball.

1380
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 6: It'd be Tom Brady, Lebron James.

1381
01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 2: And I want to go off the board to say

1382
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 2: Serena Williams or someone like us. I actually think you

1383
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 2: go yeah. I like because because I'm on the same

1384
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 2: page with you, I think that the iconic people now,

1385
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 2: the living legends, are those three.

1386
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 6: Like yeah yeah, like the top on the top of

1387
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 6: their sports.

1388
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 2: Yes, who does your makeup for?

1389
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 4: Cause you you put that to that. I'm not going

1390
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 4: to have anything to add here, just watched you execute perfectly.

1391
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1392
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 2: My all The guess is that they probably have to

1393
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 2: expand it to more than three, But if it had

1394
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 2: to be three, I think those are the three who

1395
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 2: who does costume and makeup for? Like when you're John

1396
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 2: Wick or Einstein. Are you responsible for that or they

1397
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 2: have like people come in and do it.

1398
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 3: Albert Einstein is unmade up. Oh no, that's not true.

1399
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 3: There was a different makeup person at the time. It's

1400
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 3: been a succession of people over the years. And here's

1401
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:54,919
Speaker 3: what I have to say about this that is more

1402
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 3: interesting than who the makeup person is, except to say

1403
01:07:57,160 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 3: that they have really qualified, like really really good people

1404
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 3: they work with. When I did play Doc Brown, there

1405
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 3: was like a multi hour bald cap process and it

1406
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 3: was really like.

1407
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 4: You hear stories about actors like needing.

1408
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 3: To get there at three am to get in the

1409
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 3: makeup before they shoot, you know, for like an alien roll. Yeah,

1410
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,679
Speaker 3: that was serious and there were two days of shooting

1411
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:23,599
Speaker 3: and gross detailed trigger warning for those of you who

1412
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 3: aren't into bodily fluids, though not the worst one at

1413
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 3: the end of the day when they would take it

1414
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 3: off because it's hot and it was so glued on

1415
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 3: that like an actual like quantity of sweat would like

1416
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:37,639
Speaker 3: slop out of it.

1417
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 4: Like it was really really.

1418
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 6: Serious, okay, because just the heat, there's there's no there's

1419
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 6: nothing for it to escape.

1420
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 3: It can't evaporate, it's just see cap for like eight

1421
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 3: hours as disgusting.

1422
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 2: After you do that, Like you can never watch Star Wars, say,

1423
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 2: way like when these when they're like Kristen uh Haydeson,

1424
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 2: I think, but he's coming back to play Darth Vader

1425
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 2: and you see the first side of him as him

1426
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 2: in the tube and he's got the horrible scars and

1427
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 2: just figuring me, and you're like, that must have just

1428
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 2: been like ten hours of sitting in a chair for

1429
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 2: that four seconds of screen time.

1430
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:23,800
Speaker 3: Man, Like contrast, when I played Egun Spangler.

1431
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 4: Another spectacled jew, they really just put a pair of

1432
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 4: prop classes on. You're good to go.

1433
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 2: You got him til uh. It was like that. It

1434
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 2: was like the Bobby Brown song. They put a proton

1435
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 2: pack on your back and they switch it's easy.

1436
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 3: We're gonna go work on the Staypuff marshmallow Man for

1437
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:47,719
Speaker 3: seven hours.

1438
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 4: So you just hang out and.

1439
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 2: So right in for TV. Because you say you wrote

1440
01:09:54,080 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 2: for my crazy ex girlfriend. Do they come to you

1441
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 2: specivically for the songs or have you also written like

1442
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 2: narrative stuff or would you or is that something you

1443
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 2: wouldn't even want to be interested? Is like I would

1444
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 2: like to just do a song and y'all call me

1445
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 2: when you need a song.

1446
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, for crazy ex girlfriend, I would Rachel Bloom, the

1447
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 3: creator and star, and I were friends from like the

1448
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 3: musical comedy scene in LA and she's you know, I

1449
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 3: have infinite compliments for Rachel and what she accomplished.

1450
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:26,719
Speaker 4: She's awesome.

1451
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:30,760
Speaker 3: So she was like, I remember when she got the show,

1452
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 3: she was just I said, congrats on your show, dude.

1453
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 3: The next time I saw her out and before it

1454
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 3: had started, and she was like, I'm going to bring

1455
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 3: you in when we need raps.

1456
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 4: And she was really true to her word.

1457
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 3: And so they would just I was not a staff writer,

1458
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 3: and I wasn't writing scripts narrative stuff. I would just

1459
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 3: they'd come to me with a song concept, and you know,

1460
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 3: I think they were so under the gun and they

1461
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 3: were being so ambitious with how many songs they were

1462
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 3: putting in per episode that they were just like, as

1463
01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 3: much as you can try and give us finished stuff,

1464
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 3: like we're not it's not going to be us sitting

1465
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 3: with you and like working on it, Like, please please

1466
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 3: deliver finished product as.

1467
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 4: Much as possible.

1468
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 3: So, yeah, she would come to me with a concept,

1469
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 3: a few key jokes that needed to go in, and then.

1470
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:14,640
Speaker 4: I would like fill in the rest of it. That

1471
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 4: was awesome.

1472
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 3: That was so I don't know, I'm like, I know,

1473
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 3: it's like the internet and old fashioned TV is like

1474
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 3: passe and a different time. But like seeing that stuff

1475
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:28,679
Speaker 3: get turned into TV was thrilling, awesome, Like I.

1476
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 6: Like old fashioned TV and truth be told on the load.

1477
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 6: People are forcing people to go back to old fashion TV.

1478
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 6: I know a lot of people get angry, but this

1479
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 6: is why people drop them episodically now versus here's everything

1480
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 6: all at once, because it's like one of those things

1481
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 6: for them. Okay, we spent a year and a half,

1482
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 6: we blew our load on it. Here's everything, you fly

1483
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 6: through it and then nobody else talks about it.

1484
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 5: But if people realize.

1485
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 6: Things that trend are the things that are weakly and

1486
01:11:57,479 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 6: and also the things that are short.

1487
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so is narrative something you would want to do

1488
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 2: or or not sure?

1489
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 3: I would be interested in doing it. It would be

1490
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 3: another new thing to start doing and trying, and like

1491
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:20,519
Speaker 3: it's not something I'm specifically pursuing, and those jobs are

1492
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:25,640
Speaker 3: so coveted that like if one ever comes to me automatically,

1493
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 3: of course I would be interested in trying it.

1494
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 4: And doing it.

1495
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting too, because like your rap influence

1496
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 2: is naughty by nature and heavy dat stuff. I heard

1497
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 2: you kind of talk about them. Do you have comedic

1498
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:42,600
Speaker 2: rap influence or comedic music influences as well, or is

1499
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 2: it just rap?

1500
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:48,600
Speaker 3: Well, of course weird al of course, of course, of

1501
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 3: course he's so influential and just teaches you. So he's

1502
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 3: like listening to his music is like learning a lot

1503
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:59,640
Speaker 3: about how other people see things and what funniness can be.

1504
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,599
Speaker 4: Is just like, yeah, look, this is funny. This is funny.

1505
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:04,559
Speaker 4: Here's my list of ten things that are funny.

1506
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 3: Even the fact that like lasagna is like burping is

1507
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 3: like lint. You're like, oh yeah, these are all of

1508
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 3: a piece, Like thank you for showing me this concept.

1509
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 3: We're now that you can have like a set of

1510
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 3: key of like yeah, key images, but so are concepts.

1511
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 3: And then I think more than comedic rap influences, which

1512
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 3: not really over the years, I only and this is

1513
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:30,560
Speaker 3: still true the rappers that I really like and the

1514
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 3: rap that I listened to a lot of it was

1515
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 3: people who had like.

1516
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 4: A mischievousness to them and like also.

1517
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 3: Were super verbal because that works like jokes, so like

1518
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:41,680
Speaker 3: you know, I didn't discover MF.

1519
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 4: Doom until I was an adult.

1520
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:45,840
Speaker 3: But like I'm one of the people who's like, yeah,

1521
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 3: that guy you know, in many ways was the best ever.

1522
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 4: To do it and just hyper verbal, like I loved, like.

1523
01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 3: You know, like for instance that just I'm thinking of

1524
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 3: how punchliney Little is, like it's constant, it might as

1525
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 3: well be comedy, you know, like he's making jokes non

1526
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:09,760
Speaker 3: stop and puns and wordplay stuff. So he's I was

1527
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 3: like older by the time I got to him, and

1528
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 3: I wasn't in that key formative like adolescent like you

1529
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:16,680
Speaker 3: really like it becomes part of your DNA phase by

1530
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 3: the time I got into low Wayne. But like he

1531
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 3: comes to mind in terms of like the sort of

1532
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 3: it is in some ways comedy rap, even though he's

1533
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:25,680
Speaker 3: not doing it to be a comedy rap.

1534
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 4: It feels like me, it's well.

1535
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 2: Tom and Tom and and comedy and rap are very similar,

1536
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:33,600
Speaker 2: like uh, and some of my favorite rappers happen to

1537
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 2: also be so clever and clever and funny are so

1538
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 2: closely correlated.

1539
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 4: Yes, this is the better.

1540
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 3: This is better put than I'm like.

1541
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 2: For me, I know, eminem, I like just to me

1542
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 2: one of the greatest all times. I know it's of

1543
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:54,639
Speaker 2: a time and all that stuff, but like the other

1544
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 2: day I saw also want to put up a mount

1545
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:59,759
Speaker 2: rushmore of like the greatest rappers of the two thousand

1546
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 2: or something, and it was Lil Wayne, jay Z, Kanye

1547
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:08,839
Speaker 2: and Eminem and people were trying to argue about Eminem.

1548
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:13,639
Speaker 2: I was like, y'all are fucking mind that's in twenty ten. Nah,

1549
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:18,720
Speaker 2: he was running shit like everything that motherfucker did was

1550
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 2: like gold at the top. He was rapping about pop

1551
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 2: stars and making distracks to pop stars and people were

1552
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 2: like that, I love this, Like he was on another level.

1553
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 2: But common who when he used to go about common

1554
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 2: sense was another one that super clever, very a whole

1555
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 2: lot of punchlines and funny. And then there was a

1556
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 2: time where like Raucous Records was coming up and they

1557
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:48,360
Speaker 2: and this when I was in like college area age,

1558
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 2: and they just had a they had lyricist lounge and

1559
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 2: they had like a TV show based off of it.

1560
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 2: But it was all really clever rappers. Most death was

1561
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 2: with them was at them. Punchline and words worth. All

1562
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 2: these people were there that were like, oh they're they're

1563
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:08,559
Speaker 2: good they're really good rappers, but they're also so clever

1564
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 2: and funny. Yeah, but it's just and then for just

1565
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 2: comedy music people. Uh. Once again, they came later, they

1566
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 2: would be later than your formative years. But Flight of

1567
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 2: the Concords that's my That was just like they were

1568
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:26,719
Speaker 2: next level.

1569
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 6: Yes, me and Roger we pick at each other all

1570
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 6: the time.

1571
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 5: We quote the songs, you know. I always go it's

1572
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 5: business time.

1573
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we Yeah, I listened to music unironically, like right,

1574
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:45,759
Speaker 2: it's about it's so good. Yeah, it's so good.

1575
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, beautiful music.

1576
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 3: I like that song if that's what you're into, Yeah,

1577
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 3: constantly it's so yes, yeah.

1578
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 2: Yeah that's my jam. I like that. Uh. I mean,

1579
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:03,679
Speaker 2: first of all, I love them. I really love every song,

1580
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 2: but there's one that was like stuck out to me

1581
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 2: as like, oh these guys are good. Was uh the

1582
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 2: one about yourself beautiful you could be a waitress, like

1583
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 2: you're the most beautiful girl in the room. Like it

1584
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 2: was just like, oh, these guys are really good.

1585
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 5: They're like yes, part time model.

1586
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, part time model. Yeah, that's my ship.

1587
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 3: They're like they're they're on, like they're ratio or like

1588
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 3: the density of like everything. Every one of those songs

1589
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 3: is just like the word on that topic dropped the mic,

1590
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 3: You said what needed to be said, You covered it.

1591
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 2: And they do that thing that you brought up earlier

1592
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 2: where they don't really repeat the chorus, like each chorus

1593
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 2: is slightly different than than the first chorus. Like I

1594
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 2: never even noticed that till you brought it up. So

1595
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 2: what kind of nerd stuff are you into? Just in life?

1596
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 2: Are you into any of that stuff? Are you like

1597
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 2: when you portrayed Darth Vrader? Is it like because I

1598
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 2: also like Star Wars? Are you like that's I'm not

1599
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:05,680
Speaker 2: into that ship. I don't fuck with the theory of relativity.

1600
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:07,559
Speaker 2: That that's got none to do with this.

1601
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 4: Fuck the theory of real.

1602
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 3: I believe we were created fifty five hundred years ago

1603
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:16,679
Speaker 3: by an old white guy with a beard.

1604
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 10: Yeah, I I think the way that my my nerdery

1605
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:28,759
Speaker 10: has manifested as an adult is like in word stuff.

1606
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:34,720
Speaker 4: And so I'm about I'm like going on for I'm like.

1607
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 3: Three and a half years into this crossword show project

1608
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 3: that I've been working on lately, and so I was

1609
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 3: not a crossword puzzle nerd and actually still don't think

1610
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:45,240
Speaker 3: I am I really think I'm like a lyrics and

1611
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 3: word nerd.

1612
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:50,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you go to college for words? I wrote

1613
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 2: that down because I didn't know a better way to

1614
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 2: phrase that question, but I figured, you know what I meant,

1615
01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 2: I should have.

1616
01:18:57,920 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 4: I didn't, I should have.

1617
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:00,880
Speaker 2: What did you a schoolboard?

1618
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:03,639
Speaker 4: The political science degree, which is.

1619
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 2: Kind of is kind of a school it's kind of words.

1620
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I've seen I've seen these politicians. It's a

1621
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 2: lot of work.

1622
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, it's an important although it's less important to

1623
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 3: be able to Yeah, the gift of I think than

1624
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 3: it used to be.

1625
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:20,559
Speaker 2: But that is true. One side is really really good words,

1626
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 2: and another side is like we're good because we're bad

1627
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 2: at words.

1628
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:31,760
Speaker 4: Don't trust don't trust people. Word Yeah.

1629
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 3: Well so, so I was just tweeting wordplay stuff and

1630
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:39,600
Speaker 3: a crossword puzzle maker named will Netteger, who is like

1631
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 3: it turns out a prominent crossword dude, reached.

1632
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:45,240
Speaker 4: Out and was like, let's you know.

1633
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 3: I write crossword puzzles, you tweet wordplay stuff all the time.

1634
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:50,800
Speaker 3: Let's figure out a way to collaborate.

1635
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:52,799
Speaker 4: And I was like, okay.

1636
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 3: I viewed it with annoyance at first, which I like

1637
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:59,640
Speaker 3: to think was my gut sensing deep down that I

1638
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 3: was like a to undertake, like a big new project

1639
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 3: and it was gonna be a lot of work. But

1640
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:07,240
Speaker 3: I wrote back to Will and was like, Okay, sure,

1641
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 3: I've never had anyone suggest anything this to me like this.

1642
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:10,519
Speaker 4: To me before.

1643
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:13,920
Speaker 3: What if you make a crossword grid and I'll write

1644
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 3: the clues, but we'll make them rhyme and so they'll

1645
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:18,720
Speaker 3: work like rap lyrics and we could like make a

1646
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:20,599
Speaker 3: song of it or something like that, and it would

1647
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:22,160
Speaker 3: be like a crossword puzzle that has a song.

1648
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 4: And he was like, Yeah, actually, that sounds like a

1649
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:26,400
Speaker 4: good idea. Let's try it.

1650
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:29,400
Speaker 3: And so we wrote a puzzle and from there it

1651
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 3: kind of took off, and I realized that it could

1652
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:34,880
Speaker 3: be a comedy show if we did comedy about each

1653
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:38,599
Speaker 3: of the words that went into the grid, and if

1654
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 3: it was like comedians solving it, like a panel of

1655
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 3: guest comedians solving it.

1656
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 4: So that's how the show works.

1657
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 3: So, like you know, I like, I just was working

1658
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:48,880
Speaker 3: on something in one of our puzzles that happens to

1659
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:51,719
Speaker 3: have the word statin in the grid, like Staten Island,

1660
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 3: and so I do some comedy about the Wu Tang

1661
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:56,600
Speaker 3: clan who are from Staten Island. So that's kind of

1662
01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:00,240
Speaker 3: how the show works, and that has proved to be

1663
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 3: like where the word dorkery. That's like where my nerd

1664
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 3: ship comes out. I really am into wordplay and learning

1665
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 3: more about the ways people can go deep with it.

1666
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 3: There's a whole community as you won't be surprised to

1667
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 3: learn of like crossword people and word people, and it's

1668
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 3: it's satisfying to me.

1669
01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 6: I know they have a field day because it's one

1670
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 6: of those things where you can get as nerdy as

1671
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 6: you want to and you can also be as casual

1672
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:30,920
Speaker 6: as you want to, and nobody actually feels left out,

1673
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:33,680
Speaker 6: like it's gonna be kind of enjoyment for everybody.

1674
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:36,559
Speaker 5: And so that's kind of a fun thing about that.

1675
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a cute, cute joke. Trigger warning shout

1676
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 2: out to Mike Kaplan. I bet there's not a lot

1677
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 2: of cross words in the cross words comany This would

1678
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 2: be Mike's favorite episode now I was room.

1679
01:21:56,920 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 5: He's always going to go and show up.

1680
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 3: It's funny because it's funny because Mike is like diminutive.

1681
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:08,679
Speaker 3: He's not a big guy, but he does like bring

1682
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:10,800
Speaker 3: a lot of presence to any room he's in. So

1683
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:12,920
Speaker 3: it's like a funny way to be an elephant, like

1684
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:13,679
Speaker 3: a small person.

1685
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:16,120
Speaker 2: This is a very elephant.

1686
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 4: He's a tiny elephant. So a couple of things.

1687
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 3: One, everybody who I've met in the crossword world is

1688
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:31,080
Speaker 3: like really smart and and sensitive and engaged and like

1689
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 3: cares about stuff and like is on the right side

1690
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:38,599
Speaker 3: of things as far as I'm concerned. And like, there's

1691
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 3: been a lot of criticism lately of the fact that

1692
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 3: like the New York Times, which is like the most

1693
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:46,640
Speaker 3: prominent crossword puzzle in the United States and maybe the

1694
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 3: world is like was for a while run exclusively by

1695
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:52,440
Speaker 3: like older white guys.

1696
01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 4: And so that has changed to some extent.

1697
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 3: And like at the at the USA Today puzzle, which

1698
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 3: used to be like not a particularly exciting or well

1699
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 3: run puzzle, they replaced the editorship, and now it's this

1700
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 3: guy named Eric Agard who's like universally viewed in the

1701
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 3: crossword world as like one of its superstars. And he's

1702
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:14,559
Speaker 3: doing like so much cool progressive shit in the puzzle

1703
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 3: over there like USA Today, Like he includes as many

1704
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:21,320
Speaker 3: just you know, there's like a lot of representation of

1705
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 3: tons of different people in the puzzle. It's not just like, uh,

1706
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:26,960
Speaker 3: you know, a lot of the times these puzzles are

1707
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 3: pitched towards older white men by older white men, and

1708
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 3: Eric is really like doing cool stuff against that. And

1709
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 3: it's just a boom for word puzzles, like with the

1710
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:37,599
Speaker 3: spelling b game at the New York Times and wordle

1711
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 3: Now the New York Times is buying all.

1712
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:39,720
Speaker 4: Of it up.

1713
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 3: But there's also like a super cool indie crossword scene

1714
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:44,599
Speaker 3: that you can get as deep into as you want.

1715
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 3: There's a there's some queer crosswords. There's something called the

1716
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 3: ink Ubator that's all puzzles written by women, CIS women, trains, women,

1717
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 3: women aligned constructors. So yeah, there's just a ton a

1718
01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 3: ton of cool shit out there.

1719
01:23:57,320 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 2: It's a wow. I had no idea, And there's no

1720
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:02,960
Speaker 2: beef between anybody, and there's.

1721
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:05,200
Speaker 4: Beef about there. There there has been.

1722
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:11,560
Speaker 3: There's word beef, like Will Schwartz, who I know and

1723
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:15,679
Speaker 3: am friends with and have worked with. He's a good guy,

1724
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,200
Speaker 3: and there has been like there was a there was

1725
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 3: an incident a couple of years ago with like a

1726
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:24,519
Speaker 3: word that was published in the paper that was not

1727
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:28,480
Speaker 3: intended to be a racial slur and was clued alternately,

1728
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 3: but also happened to be that why does that word

1729
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:34,519
Speaker 3: need to be in your puzzle? And it came out

1730
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 3: that like it had been brought to his attention and

1731
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 3: he kind of ran it anyway. So this is not

1732
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:41,559
Speaker 3: I'm not spilling tea or like you know, telling tales

1733
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 3: out of school. This is amply documented on the internet.

1734
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:46,280
Speaker 3: But so that kind of stuff is where the controversies

1735
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 3: come in. Like birds that start in there anymore that

1736
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:51,439
Speaker 3: make it through.

1737
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:56,679
Speaker 6: And I wonder, uh, the puzzles that have a tendency

1738
01:24:56,720 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 6: to be more diverse, and we and you say more diverse,

1739
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:02,720
Speaker 6: you mean like some of the words may be like

1740
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 6: words that would would kind of cater more towards these

1741
01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 6: are words, and more black people would know what these

1742
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 6: are words than more Native Americans, when more kind of

1743
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:13,800
Speaker 6: in their history. And I wonder when they when they

1744
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:15,880
Speaker 6: make these change, do they get pushed back because you know,

1745
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 6: a lot of their fan base is probably predominantly white,

1746
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:21,559
Speaker 6: predominantly male, and then they can't solve it. So I

1747
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:24,559
Speaker 6: could see the pushback going, well, I don't know those words,

1748
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 6: those words, I can't you know, like if I would

1749
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:29,880
Speaker 6: have to go to the slang version to find it.

1750
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 6: You know, the slang dot com thesaurus is not gonna

1751
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:35,120
Speaker 6: be in my webs the dictionary.

1752
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably people crossing saws over across words.

1753
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:42,839
Speaker 4: That's it alerts.

1754
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 3: You know, I don't think you ended the previous cute

1755
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:47,639
Speaker 3: joke alert, so I will assume it you have still

1756
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:48,640
Speaker 3: been in a fact.

1757
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 4: Crosswords.

1758
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:54,559
Speaker 1: Uh.

1759
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:59,559
Speaker 3: I think Karen, your question is super insightful, and I

1760
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 3: think that there are I think they do get pushback

1761
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:05,120
Speaker 3: where you know, people are like, hey, I'm trying to relax.

1762
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:06,719
Speaker 3: I don't want to have to know who a rapper

1763
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 3: is or like a black athlete or.

1764
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:10,599
Speaker 4: You know, whatever it is.

1765
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:15,599
Speaker 3: So yeah, I do think that pushback exists, unfortunately, and

1766
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:18,760
Speaker 3: I think it's great that, like you know, over at

1767
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 3: USA today now they're like, yeah, this is what we're

1768
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:23,240
Speaker 3: doing with the puzzle, Like we stand by our editor

1769
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:26,360
Speaker 3: and the editorial choices he's making. And you know, there

1770
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 3: there's also like a real effort to hire constructors crossword

1771
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 3: makers who.

1772
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:32,719
Speaker 4: Are more diverse.

1773
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:37,519
Speaker 3: Okay, so the statistics were pretty dismal until pretty recently,

1774
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:38,559
Speaker 3: and they're still not great.

1775
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:40,599
Speaker 5: I wouldn't even thought about that.

1776
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:42,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, like you need somebody there and the Okay, we

1777
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:44,639
Speaker 6: got the people that can toss the words, but now

1778
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 6: we need the people that can actually put them where

1779
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:48,439
Speaker 6: they make sense in the puzzle to the reader.

1780
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 5: Right.

1781
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:52,519
Speaker 6: I didn't even think that there has to be somebody's jobs, like, Okay,

1782
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:54,880
Speaker 6: we got this great word, now how do we phrase

1783
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 6: it with?

1784
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 5: Somebody can figure it out?

1785
01:26:56,800 --> 01:27:00,559
Speaker 2: So right now you're working on what the you're doing

1786
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 2: the Crosswaars show as the host? What do you do

1787
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 2: when you have dumb comedians like you? How do you

1788
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 2: know when they're not.

1789
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:12,240
Speaker 5: Somebody like me? I would probably bomb?

1790
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:16,960
Speaker 2: I mean, look, it's we all have had those days

1791
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 2: where you're just like, man, I'm not getting the cross

1792
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 2: Wars today. I think I'm or this is gonna take

1793
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 2: five hours, and I don't know if everybody the crowd

1794
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 2: has time for five hours of me googling stuff on

1795
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 2: my phone.

1796
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:31,640
Speaker 4: I just had a conversation with a friend. Do you

1797
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 4: know Chris Duffy.

1798
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:36,800
Speaker 3: He has a show called You're the Expert. Anyways, he's great.

1799
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 3: It's a similar like kind of guests are doing an

1800
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:42,439
Speaker 3: activity that you put them up to show, and we

1801
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:47,120
Speaker 3: were talking recently about he was like, there's five I'm not.

1802
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 4: I hope I can remember what they are.

1803
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 3: But he was like, there's like five buckets you can

1804
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 3: put guests into, and the worst one is doesn't say anything,

1805
01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:58,639
Speaker 3: and the best one is says stuff all the time

1806
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 3: and isn't pushy about like getting their jokes in, like

1807
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:03,120
Speaker 3: lets you talk and waits for the right moments and

1808
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:07,880
Speaker 3: drops the bangers. But that bottom category, that's real, Like

1809
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:11,840
Speaker 3: there's no way. It's so funny when comedians are like,

1810
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 3: because it's such an extreme thing to be asked to do,

1811
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 3: to be on stage in front of a crowd solving

1812
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:19,960
Speaker 3: a crossword puzzle. It's like almost hostile that I'm asking

1813
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:22,160
Speaker 3: people to do this, And so I feel like my

1814
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:25,400
Speaker 3: job as the host is to be like the puzzle

1815
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:28,519
Speaker 3: part doesn't matter. We're gonna solve it every time, Like

1816
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:29,599
Speaker 3: you're not gonna be.

1817
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:30,640
Speaker 4: Set up to fail.

1818
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 5: Here, okay, And so.

1819
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:37,240
Speaker 3: Right, comedians feel like they can lean into like I'm

1820
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:39,680
Speaker 3: an idiot. There's no way I'm gonna be able to

1821
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:42,320
Speaker 3: do this. I'm like a I'm a fool, and the

1822
01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:45,240
Speaker 3: crowd it's such a funny choice, like to play that character,

1823
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 3: and crowds always reward comics who are able to like

1824
01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:51,920
Speaker 3: get themselves in there because that's what it should be.

1825
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:55,240
Speaker 3: It's like such an improbable thing to be expected to

1826
01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:55,800
Speaker 3: be able to do.

1827
01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 4: But yes, the.

1828
01:28:57,680 --> 01:29:00,160
Speaker 3: Times that it's like not so great is when people

1829
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 3: are like actually intimidated by it or just don't feel comfortable,

1830
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 3: which is to some extent and probably a large extent

1831
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 3: on me. But when people clam up and all sort

1832
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:12,759
Speaker 3: of like look over at that side of the stage

1833
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:15,400
Speaker 3: to invite a comment and people are just like that

1834
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:17,680
Speaker 3: is That's why I'm kind of like all right, and

1835
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 3: I guess I'll be shouldering a.

1836
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:19,600
Speaker 4: Lot of this.

1837
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:21,719
Speaker 2: That's like the kind of thing you have a recurrent

1838
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:25,040
Speaker 2: nightmare about before the show. You know. It's like, you know,

1839
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:27,400
Speaker 2: I was on stage and no one would say anything

1840
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:28,160
Speaker 2: and I was naked.

1841
01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:29,960
Speaker 5: You know, yeah, people.

1842
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:30,240
Speaker 2: Don't do that.

1843
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:33,200
Speaker 6: And we've been on stage, but you know we gonna talk.

1844
01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 6: Well I'm gonna talk so we don't never have to

1845
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:38,960
Speaker 6: worry about anybody staring at each other in that sall I.

1846
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:42,000
Speaker 2: Mean, that was what Zach said, like as the host,

1847
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:45,839
Speaker 2: Like the same thing for me is like I feel

1848
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:49,080
Speaker 2: like it's my job to get them to do their thing,

1849
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:51,599
Speaker 2: to put them in a position to succeed. Yes, so

1850
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:55,479
Speaker 2: you know, because we've had live shows before work Karen

1851
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:57,840
Speaker 2: or Justin whoever. The guests will be like, oh man,

1852
01:29:57,880 --> 01:29:59,640
Speaker 2: I don't know and feel nervous. I don't know, we're

1853
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:02,160
Speaker 2: gonna be did this And that's when I'm like, oh no,

1854
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 2: we got this. Don't want to worry about that. Ship. No,

1855
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:06,559
Speaker 2: we're gonna have fun time. I'm not gonna let you fail.

1856
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:09,679
Speaker 2: The crowd's gonna love you. Then you're gonna start loving.

1857
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 2: About five minutes in, I'm gonna be like, Wow, she's

1858
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:14,600
Speaker 2: just talking through over everything, and that's that's gonna be

1859
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:15,120
Speaker 2: a good thing.

1860
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:16,960
Speaker 5: Yeah. I just yeah, I just come through it.

1861
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 6: I'm like, you know what, we're gonna talk about me,

1862
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:21,680
Speaker 6: but baby, we got to move on time.

1863
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 2: Have you had anyone who was too good yet where

1864
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:27,559
Speaker 2: you're like, oh man, this person's solving too much shit?

1865
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:30,840
Speaker 4: Oh like from the solving thing.

1866
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:34,880
Speaker 3: Yes, we have had people who are like really regular

1867
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:39,679
Speaker 3: crossword solvers and were like voice objections to my cluing convention.

1868
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:46,240
Speaker 3: That's not like, that's that doesn't match, that wouldn't pass editorial.

1869
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:49,280
Speaker 4: I actually really talk by the.

1870
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:52,880
Speaker 3: Crossword rules and like run clues by people for like

1871
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:56,040
Speaker 3: this is all on point, right, But I have been

1872
01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 3: called out on stage and I've also been like, yeah,

1873
01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:02,960
Speaker 3: you know, it's like I've had times when people were

1874
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:06,240
Speaker 3: too about the gameplay and I'm trying to do the

1875
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:09,400
Speaker 3: comedy piece and like give them opportunities to riff and

1876
01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:11,960
Speaker 3: banter and they're like looking at the next word and

1877
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:15,280
Speaker 3: being like twelve across is a cent.

1878
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:20,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, but no, old no, we haven't got that yet.

1879
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:25,200
Speaker 5: There's like, oh uh, can I buy row Gang wro Gang?

1880
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 2: Were rebuilding the wrap one bar at a time? What

1881
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:29,960
Speaker 2: are you knowing?

1882
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:38,080
Speaker 3: Like, it's so funny like to see I love live

1883
01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:41,479
Speaker 3: performance because people just show who they are when they're

1884
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:43,639
Speaker 3: being asked to perform, but they're not doing their act,

1885
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:47,400
Speaker 3: and so like it's really funny to watch people who

1886
01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:50,400
Speaker 3: can control the them that they are like do that,

1887
01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 3: and then it's also really funny to watch people who

1888
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:55,960
Speaker 3: are a little bit not in control of it. So again,

1889
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:58,400
Speaker 3: I really feel like the only time it's a problem

1890
01:31:58,439 --> 01:32:01,120
Speaker 3: is when people just close is the talk and don't

1891
01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:03,400
Speaker 3: give anything. But as long as you're doing something, it's

1892
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:04,320
Speaker 3: gonna be something to work with.

1893
01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:07,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a competitive competitiveness can take over sometimes for

1894
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:09,519
Speaker 2: people too, and have you Yes, that's right.

1895
01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:10,599
Speaker 5: I can see that too.

1896
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:13,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not wanting to and like wanting to show

1897
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:15,800
Speaker 3: that you're smart and good.

1898
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:16,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I have that in me.

1899
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:19,600
Speaker 2: We're like, even if I want, I wouldn't fuck up

1900
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:21,080
Speaker 2: a show to do it. Like I wouldn't be like

1901
01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:24,160
Speaker 2: seven across is a sin, but I would when you

1902
01:32:24,240 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 2: got to seven across and you were like it's a sin,

1903
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:27,920
Speaker 2: I'd be like I need that five minutes ago. But

1904
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 2: I didn't want to show, which everybody would.

1905
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:38,439
Speaker 6: Have you had anyone get angry on stage, like flat

1906
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:41,400
Speaker 6: out just enraged because they got.

1907
01:32:41,200 --> 01:32:44,000
Speaker 5: It wrong or they missed it or something like that.

1908
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:51,640
Speaker 3: Mm I have had people get uh frustrated with themselves

1909
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:54,120
Speaker 3: for not being able to solve better. Like I said,

1910
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 3: I have been called out a couple of times, and

1911
01:32:57,720 --> 01:33:00,559
Speaker 3: I have to fight my own Like Rod, you're just saying,

1912
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:03,879
Speaker 3: like I have to fight my own desire to be like, no, actually,

1913
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:05,040
Speaker 3: this is a good clue.

1914
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:07,840
Speaker 4: Like it according to the rules of how clues have

1915
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:10,240
Speaker 4: to work. It's not my job to. I have to

1916
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:12,519
Speaker 4: just be like the customer is always right.

1917
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:14,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have.

1918
01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:15,280
Speaker 4: To roll with it.

1919
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:16,840
Speaker 3: So you know, that's a little bit of a thing.

1920
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:19,719
Speaker 3: And then I did have I've had one solver ever,

1921
01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:23,160
Speaker 3: who I thought was like kind of hostile, like they

1922
01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:26,200
Speaker 3: were calling me out a lot for jokes that I

1923
01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:31,479
Speaker 3: was making and sort of being like, oh, you know whatever,

1924
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:34,719
Speaker 3: So that that was like an interesting thing to tangle.

1925
01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 2: I wonder what would be better. I wonder what we

1926
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:40,480
Speaker 2: have it if someone got like really enraged but with themselves,

1927
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:44,240
Speaker 2: you know, and like after everyone are just like fucking idiot.

1928
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:49,880
Speaker 2: God is the thing everyone's looking at you.

1929
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 4: Now. That's when I go into therapist mood.

1930
01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:56,840
Speaker 5: And they are.

1931
01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:59,839
Speaker 2: For even saying yes to the show invitation. They depend

1932
01:34:00,200 --> 01:34:03,080
Speaker 2: may change any of your plans with like live shows

1933
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:06,000
Speaker 2: and touring and all that stuff. Did you have to

1934
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:07,800
Speaker 2: put anything on hold? Or is it just all the

1935
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 2: time is working out the word? The world is opening

1936
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:12,240
Speaker 2: back up, and it's time to get out.

1937
01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:16,040
Speaker 3: There for a show that perhaps one day we'll take

1938
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:18,479
Speaker 3: a different recorded form, but for now is one hundred

1939
01:34:18,479 --> 01:34:19,360
Speaker 3: percent of live show.

1940
01:34:20,320 --> 01:34:22,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Pandemic was a bit of a take on

1941
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:23,160
Speaker 4: the pants.

1942
01:34:23,320 --> 01:34:29,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, we pivoted and made like, uh

1943
01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:32,920
Speaker 3: I think close to twenty like little bite sized bits

1944
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:36,120
Speaker 3: of crossword show branded content that are we called them

1945
01:34:36,160 --> 01:34:39,360
Speaker 3: solos because they stand on their own and also we

1946
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:41,320
Speaker 3: were all alone in our houses. And also solos is

1947
01:34:41,320 --> 01:34:43,680
Speaker 3: a palindrome spelled the same forwards and backwards.

1948
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:47,320
Speaker 4: But sorry, I don't mean to perform at no.

1949
01:34:47,320 --> 01:34:50,360
Speaker 2: No, listen, you're a word nerd and that's why you're

1950
01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:52,759
Speaker 2: hear okay, don't don't fight it, don't.

1951
01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:55,719
Speaker 4: Fight, don't hide. My light brought me on knowing full well,

1952
01:34:55,880 --> 01:34:59,519
Speaker 4: come on, I mean into it. So we made some solos.

1953
01:34:59,600 --> 01:34:59,840
Speaker 4: That was.

1954
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 3: And I spent the pandemic like writing for epic rad

1955
01:35:04,439 --> 01:35:08,639
Speaker 3: battles to keep you know, to keep myself solvent, and

1956
01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:12,640
Speaker 3: working on a show. And so the show that I

1957
01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:16,000
Speaker 3: wrote during the pandemic is in part about the experience

1958
01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:18,920
Speaker 3: of writing a show and not knowing when or really

1959
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:22,200
Speaker 3: even if you're going to get to perform it. And

1960
01:35:22,240 --> 01:35:24,560
Speaker 3: so that's what I'm touring in July, will be on

1961
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:26,559
Speaker 3: the East Coast for a bunch of dates, and that's

1962
01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:30,200
Speaker 3: the show about, like just the very fact that we're

1963
01:35:30,240 --> 01:35:33,320
Speaker 3: here watching a show means like things improved at least

1964
01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:34,720
Speaker 3: enough to the point that we could go out to

1965
01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:37,240
Speaker 3: a theater even if it keeps going up and down

1966
01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:38,680
Speaker 3: for how comfortable we all are with that.

1967
01:35:38,840 --> 01:35:42,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's been wild too. I've done some shows back.

1968
01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:42,599
Speaker 5: And.

1969
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:46,880
Speaker 4: It's just weird to perform. I mean, it's just weird.

1970
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:48,480
Speaker 4: It's not everything.

1971
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:53,000
Speaker 2: Everything's weird now everything, because like the other thing you

1972
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:56,479
Speaker 2: can't take away from a pandemic is just the knowledge

1973
01:35:56,840 --> 01:35:59,840
Speaker 2: of what it's like to live in a pandemic, right,

1974
01:36:00,360 --> 01:36:04,360
Speaker 2: And so even things you used to take for granted,

1975
01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:08,200
Speaker 2: your brain is now like a line to at least

1976
01:36:08,240 --> 01:36:12,280
Speaker 2: notice them. So I remember watching TV shows and being

1977
01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:14,200
Speaker 2: and it could be filmed before the pandemic, and I

1978
01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:16,960
Speaker 2: would forget for a second and I'd be like, oh god,

1979
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:20,120
Speaker 2: they're just really gonna kiss you know. Oh yeah, yeah,

1980
01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:23,160
Speaker 2: because two years ago, we didn't even know that was

1981
01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:26,280
Speaker 2: dangerous't We didn't even know there was like a thing

1982
01:36:26,360 --> 01:36:30,160
Speaker 2: that could happen between two strangers meeting and kissing. Now

1983
01:36:30,160 --> 01:36:32,800
Speaker 2: we're like, everyone, where's your mask?

1984
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:33,000
Speaker 5: You know?

1985
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:36,880
Speaker 2: You go to the story now and like a month

1986
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:40,080
Speaker 2: ago everyone had a mask. Today I have a mask,

1987
01:36:40,240 --> 01:36:42,479
Speaker 2: you know, Like it's it's just stuff to get used to,

1988
01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:44,240
Speaker 2: and there's still a lot of ways to be safe

1989
01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:47,519
Speaker 2: and do stuff. But I think different places just have

1990
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:50,920
Speaker 2: to pay attention. Like, you know, the mask seemed to

1991
01:36:50,920 --> 01:36:56,240
Speaker 2: be a pretty effective thing. Shout out to out there.

1992
01:36:57,520 --> 01:36:59,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, like the mask thing to be effective. When

1993
01:36:59,880 --> 01:37:06,080
Speaker 2: we did our live show last year, uh no, two

1994
01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:09,040
Speaker 2: years ago, right because before vaccines that we did it

1995
01:37:09,120 --> 01:37:11,240
Speaker 2: last year. Okay, so it was last year. So we

1996
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:14,439
Speaker 2: did our live show last year and all the backstage

1997
01:37:14,439 --> 01:37:17,439
Speaker 2: people everyone had to be masked up. You know, the

1998
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:20,559
Speaker 2: audience was masked up. They were social distance and all

1999
01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:24,000
Speaker 2: that stuff. So there's ways to do stuff. It's just

2000
01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:26,519
Speaker 2: how do you want to do it. And I think

2001
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:29,840
Speaker 2: when you have a smart fan base, which I would

2002
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:33,680
Speaker 2: imagine Crossword the Crossword show, you have to it's not

2003
01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:39,120
Speaker 2: gonna between dumb people that like it. They're aware and

2004
01:37:39,160 --> 01:37:42,519
Speaker 2: paying attention to stuff like this. So a lot of times,

2005
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:45,639
Speaker 2: like when we didn't even have a mask mandate when

2006
01:37:45,680 --> 01:37:48,200
Speaker 2: we did ours, I don't believe, but we knew our

2007
01:37:48,240 --> 01:37:51,200
Speaker 2: audience would wear masks and social distance. So we like

2008
01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:53,280
Speaker 2: when we sold the tickets, we like we were telling

2009
01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:55,200
Speaker 2: the venue like listen, y'all are gonna sell a lot

2010
01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:58,479
Speaker 2: of virtual tickets and then the people that do show

2011
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:00,960
Speaker 2: up are probably gonna need to spread out. They're not

2012
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:03,760
Speaker 2: gonna want to be all upon each other, and as

2013
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:05,600
Speaker 2: long as y'all a coul with that, they will do

2014
01:38:05,640 --> 01:38:08,519
Speaker 2: the show. And they were with that, so it's definitely possible.

2015
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:11,120
Speaker 2: Do y'all sell like a virtual thing too for people

2016
01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:13,360
Speaker 2: to watch it online? Or is it just all in

2017
01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:14,120
Speaker 2: person for now?

2018
01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:15,360
Speaker 4: Man?

2019
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:18,160
Speaker 3: Even you asking me that makes me feel like, God,

2020
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:20,280
Speaker 3: we really should have figured out how to do it virtually.

2021
01:38:20,479 --> 01:38:23,160
Speaker 3: But I think for our show's format, I just never

2022
01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:26,519
Speaker 3: felt like it just I never felt like it was

2023
01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:29,040
Speaker 3: gonna translate, and I was like, we're just gonna wait.

2024
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:33,080
Speaker 3: So no, we don't have a virtual version of the show,

2025
01:38:33,120 --> 01:38:35,120
Speaker 3: and we didn't tape them and make them available. We

2026
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:36,720
Speaker 3: just decided let's just wait till we can do it

2027
01:38:36,720 --> 01:38:38,719
Speaker 3: the way it's supposed to be. Okay, I'm actually writing

2028
01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:40,519
Speaker 3: a show now that I think will be much more

2029
01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:44,720
Speaker 3: like it could potentially be consumable as a virtual thing.

2030
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:47,640
Speaker 3: But the ones that I've written are like, I don't know,

2031
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:49,479
Speaker 3: it's just you gotta be there.

2032
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:49,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2033
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:53,599
Speaker 2: It's also like a cost and time to that part too,

2034
01:38:53,880 --> 01:38:56,280
Speaker 2: because it's like another muscle you have to have to

2035
01:38:56,360 --> 01:38:58,320
Speaker 2: be Like, all right, so, how are we gonna film

2036
01:38:58,360 --> 01:39:01,559
Speaker 2: this is so I'm gonna have am on me. It's

2037
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:04,280
Speaker 2: gonna be multiple cameras. It's just like it is a.

2038
01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:09,400
Speaker 6: Multiple it's a big thing for cameras, and like it's

2039
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:11,400
Speaker 6: a whole crew and like this is their thing.

2040
01:39:11,479 --> 01:39:13,680
Speaker 5: Their whole thing is to record everything.

2041
01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:19,360
Speaker 6: And I know that it's extra, but I think a

2042
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:22,160
Speaker 6: lot of money is left on the table for a

2043
01:39:22,160 --> 01:39:24,519
Speaker 6: lot of people when they don't do that, and I

2044
01:39:24,520 --> 01:39:27,599
Speaker 6: think more venues are starting to offer it because they go, well,

2045
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:29,840
Speaker 6: no matter what we do, you're gonna have some people going,

2046
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:31,400
Speaker 6: I'm not never going out to know where.

2047
01:39:33,320 --> 01:39:36,040
Speaker 2: The best thing about the pandemic, if there has to

2048
01:39:36,040 --> 01:39:39,360
Speaker 2: be a best thing, is definitely the use of technology

2049
01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:44,439
Speaker 2: to connect people. Like even just doing this, there are

2050
01:39:44,439 --> 01:39:46,600
Speaker 2: a lot of comedians we couldn't even have on the

2051
01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:48,439
Speaker 2: show before because they'd be like, I don't have a

2052
01:39:48,479 --> 01:39:52,120
Speaker 2: laptop or can I do this through a Cassio keyboard?

2053
01:39:52,160 --> 01:39:56,280
Speaker 2: And you're like what, But now it's like zoom happening.

2054
01:39:56,360 --> 01:40:00,280
Speaker 2: Now everyone has ability to to just get on their webcam.

2055
01:40:00,360 --> 01:40:01,960
Speaker 2: Before we get out of here, I do want to

2056
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:05,840
Speaker 2: ask you, and I definitely want you to plug the

2057
01:40:06,200 --> 01:40:08,559
Speaker 2: Crossword Show and where everybody can gotta get taken the stuff.

2058
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:13,519
Speaker 2: But can you tell everybody about the new word craze.

2059
01:40:13,720 --> 01:40:17,800
Speaker 2: I was listening to you on dork Forest, and uh,

2060
01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:23,200
Speaker 2: there's a new type of word that you're really interested in. Okay,

2061
01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:25,280
Speaker 2: can you tell everybody what it is?

2062
01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:26,559
Speaker 4: Yes?

2063
01:40:26,720 --> 01:40:30,160
Speaker 3: And your research game is strong. I just did dork

2064
01:40:30,200 --> 01:40:31,960
Speaker 3: Forest like that's very fresh.

2065
01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:35,400
Speaker 2: It came out today.

2066
01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:37,679
Speaker 4: Wow. Uh yeah.

2067
01:40:37,720 --> 01:40:42,000
Speaker 3: So on dork Forest I talked about words and wordplay,

2068
01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:46,800
Speaker 3: and specifically this very very kind of boutique kind of

2069
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:49,599
Speaker 3: wordplay called so. The name for this kind of word

2070
01:40:49,680 --> 01:40:54,040
Speaker 3: is super vocalis. So in the wordplay world, vocalic means

2071
01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:58,200
Speaker 3: related to vowels, and a super vocalic word is one.

2072
01:40:58,760 --> 01:41:01,840
Speaker 3: So the conditions are really specific, but I'll give you

2073
01:41:01,880 --> 01:41:05,879
Speaker 3: a ton of examples. It contains all five of the vowels,

2074
01:41:06,240 --> 01:41:10,640
Speaker 3: but only one time each, so it has to have

2075
01:41:10,720 --> 01:41:12,880
Speaker 3: one A, one E, one I, one O on one U.

2076
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:14,760
Speaker 3: So a really good example that actually came to my

2077
01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:18,960
Speaker 3: attention today is the movie title top Gun Maverick. There's

2078
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:21,160
Speaker 3: an O in top a U n gun an e,

2079
01:41:21,240 --> 01:41:24,400
Speaker 3: and I in Maverick, and there's only one of them.

2080
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:27,759
Speaker 3: So so they're kind of rare, and then there's another

2081
01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:30,200
Speaker 3: there's like a sub variant that has a y in it.

2082
01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:33,040
Speaker 4: But so some other examples of super.

2083
01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:38,120
Speaker 3: Vocalics besides top Gun Maverick are like Austin Powers is

2084
01:41:38,160 --> 01:41:41,640
Speaker 3: a good example. On dork Forest, I talked about the

2085
01:41:41,720 --> 01:41:45,200
Speaker 3: rapper ski Mask the slump God. He is a he

2086
01:41:45,240 --> 01:41:50,120
Speaker 3: has a a super vocalic name and the word super vocalic.

2087
01:41:50,240 --> 01:41:53,440
Speaker 3: It's not an accident, but it is itself super vocalic.

2088
01:41:53,479 --> 01:41:57,040
Speaker 3: It has one of each of the vowels in its name.

2089
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:02,960
Speaker 2: So here's what's wanna blow everyone's mind right now. Yeah,

2090
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:06,320
Speaker 2: I didn't notice till just now, but I think the

2091
01:42:06,320 --> 01:42:08,439
Speaker 2: black guy who tips is super vocalic.

2092
01:42:09,880 --> 01:42:13,920
Speaker 3: Let me tell you something, right, it is, it is,

2093
01:42:14,840 --> 01:42:19,679
Speaker 3: It is super vocalic, and it's almost it's almost, Oh

2094
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:24,519
Speaker 3: the why, the why doesn't ruin anything. So that's the

2095
01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:26,800
Speaker 3: next level. That's the next level.

2096
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:27,120
Speaker 7: Yep.

2097
01:42:27,360 --> 01:42:30,639
Speaker 3: But there's a thing called a perfect five where it's

2098
01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:33,360
Speaker 3: five words and each one has one of the vowels,

2099
01:42:33,400 --> 01:42:35,280
Speaker 3: and it's so close to a perfect five.

2100
01:42:35,720 --> 01:42:40,479
Speaker 4: It's not, but it is absolutely super vocalic. Holy shit, dude.

2101
01:42:40,600 --> 01:42:43,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't even realize it until literally I just

2102
01:42:43,439 --> 01:42:46,080
Speaker 2: typed it on my word thing to be like, wait

2103
01:42:46,120 --> 01:42:51,719
Speaker 2: a minute, I think I resemble this. That's amazing boom

2104
01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:54,000
Speaker 2: because I got a new vocabulary word.

2105
01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:56,280
Speaker 6: Because I'm not gonna lie. I've never heard of nobody

2106
01:42:56,400 --> 01:42:57,160
Speaker 6: super vocalic.

2107
01:42:57,479 --> 01:42:59,120
Speaker 4: Well that's pretty obscure.

2108
01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:02,160
Speaker 2: Well listen, Karen Caroen loves nothing more to say what

2109
01:43:02,280 --> 01:43:02,760
Speaker 2: she don't know.

2110
01:43:05,200 --> 01:43:07,360
Speaker 5: I want people to know I don't know.

2111
01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:10,360
Speaker 6: Don't have any high expectations because I don't know it.

2112
01:43:11,240 --> 01:43:11,960
Speaker 4: That's a big thing.

2113
01:43:12,720 --> 01:43:17,760
Speaker 2: That's our dork. That's our dork. Though. Tell everybody where

2114
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:19,000
Speaker 2: to go to get takes and how.

2115
01:43:18,920 --> 01:43:20,759
Speaker 4: To see Yeah, for sure.

2116
01:43:20,920 --> 01:43:23,200
Speaker 3: So the Crossword Show, we toured a lot on the

2117
01:43:23,200 --> 01:43:25,320
Speaker 3: West coast, but we're coming back to the East coast

2118
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:28,400
Speaker 3: for the first time since March twenty twenty. Don't know

2119
01:43:28,439 --> 01:43:33,559
Speaker 3: if you remember what happened, but yes, there we'll be.

2120
01:43:33,800 --> 01:43:37,400
Speaker 3: We're doing eight shows on the East Coast in July

2121
01:43:38,200 --> 01:43:40,839
Speaker 3: in New England, like some random parts of New England

2122
01:43:40,840 --> 01:43:42,839
Speaker 3: to tune up, and then we're going to be in Boston.

2123
01:43:43,400 --> 01:43:45,160
Speaker 3: We're going to be in New York City for two

2124
01:43:45,200 --> 01:43:49,960
Speaker 3: shows at Caveat in Manhattan, an amazing venue, and then

2125
01:43:50,040 --> 01:43:52,879
Speaker 3: we'll be in DC, So if you're in New England

2126
01:43:53,040 --> 01:43:56,680
Speaker 3: or any of those major Eastern Seaboard type cities, the

2127
01:43:56,720 --> 01:44:03,080
Speaker 3: Crossword Show has rap, comedy, wordplay, trivia, and hosting, which

2128
01:44:03,080 --> 01:44:06,920
Speaker 3: are my like personal comedy, you know, the parts where

2129
01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:08,640
Speaker 3: I've inhabited entertainment.

2130
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:10,760
Speaker 4: So it's kind of like the ven diagram of.

2131
01:44:10,760 --> 01:44:15,200
Speaker 3: All those things. And I love it so much, and yeah,

2132
01:44:15,280 --> 01:44:16,240
Speaker 3: I hope people see it.

2133
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:18,880
Speaker 5: Where can I find you online? Like you better?

2134
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:22,280
Speaker 4: That's a really important piece. Clearly, marketing is not one

2135
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:22,599
Speaker 4: of my.

2136
01:44:26,439 --> 01:44:30,080
Speaker 3: All of our ticket links are up at Crosswordshow dot com,

2137
01:44:30,200 --> 01:44:32,160
Speaker 3: or as a joke that I sometimes make in the

2138
01:44:32,200 --> 01:44:33,840
Speaker 3: show when we put up a slide with our U

2139
01:44:33,960 --> 01:44:39,200
Speaker 3: r L, I say, check out our website crosswords how

2140
01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:43,960
Speaker 3: at a crosswordshow dot com is the is where it's all.

2141
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:45,760
Speaker 2: At, so make sure you check them out. And then

2142
01:44:45,800 --> 01:44:49,160
Speaker 2: also on social media, Zach Sherwin everywhere that you get

2143
01:44:49,160 --> 01:44:52,240
Speaker 2: your social media. Zach, it was so great to virtually

2144
01:44:52,320 --> 01:44:54,280
Speaker 2: meet you on the show and stuff.

2145
01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:57,360
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. It's so interesting

2146
01:44:57,400 --> 01:44:59,439
Speaker 3: to talk to you. You're both so smart and so

2147
01:44:59,560 --> 01:45:03,280
Speaker 3: warm and so interested and Rod, I can't what a

2148
01:45:03,400 --> 01:45:06,240
Speaker 3: perfect ending to see the super vocalic in the black

2149
01:45:06,240 --> 01:45:06,960
Speaker 3: guy who tips.

2150
01:45:07,080 --> 01:45:09,480
Speaker 2: Yes, that is crazy.

2151
01:45:10,120 --> 01:45:13,080
Speaker 4: I'm gonna share it with the super vocalic nerd community.

2152
01:45:13,200 --> 01:45:17,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's too good. There's like some serendipity there. All right, y'all,

2153
01:45:17,080 --> 01:45:19,760
Speaker 2: that's it for us. Tomorrow will be back. We have

2154
01:45:20,360 --> 01:45:24,000
Speaker 2: our friend nick Ju from What's the Tea Podcast, so

2155
01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:24,920
Speaker 2: we'll be hanging out.

2156
01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:26,679
Speaker 5: With her, and I can't wait to have you on again.

2157
01:45:26,720 --> 01:45:28,559
Speaker 5: We'll play games next time. That should be fun.

2158
01:45:28,760 --> 01:45:31,720
Speaker 2: There you go, until next time, I love you.

2159
01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:32,400
Speaker 4: Wah