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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Fuck Sexton Show podcast. Make sure

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. BLM two point zero The

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Speaker 1: Summer of riots in twenty twenty Kenosha and Kyle Rittenhouse

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Speaker 1: defending himself with lethal force against a mob of maniacs

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Speaker 1: January sixth, and all of the mayhem and the police,

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Speaker 1: pepper spray and people getting attacked at all kinds of stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's not every day you talk to somebody who has

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Speaker 1: been at all of these things, and yet here we

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Speaker 1: are with our friend Richie McGuinness to talk about that.

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Speaker 1: His new book is here is Riot Diet. One Man's

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Speaker 1: radical ride through America and Chaos Richie McGuinness. And Richie's

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Speaker 1: an independent journalist. He's known by a lot of people

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Speaker 1: on the right for his fearlessness. I mean, let's just start.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with this question, shall we. What was in

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Speaker 1: your mind? It's just the most surreal, crazy thing in

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Speaker 1: the summer of twenty twenty when those BLM riots were

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Speaker 1: just roiling the country. Well, I was Kenosha the craziest

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Speaker 1: night of that whole thing. For you, what was the

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Speaker 1: craziest single night when the country seemed to have been

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Speaker 1: gripped by this madness.

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Speaker 2: I'd say Kenosha was definitely the craziest as far as

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Speaker 2: the level of destruction, just to you know, the amount

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Speaker 2: of buildings that were burning, the amount of personal property that.

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Speaker 3: Was getting lit on fire.

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Speaker 2: Probably the most surreal, though, was Portland, and that was

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Speaker 2: like one hundred consecutive nights of rioting, and that was

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Speaker 2: basically the same story of all these other protest zones.

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Speaker 1: You had to take take me into this, like what

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Speaker 1: what when did the rioting start? What were they complaining about?

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Speaker 1: I mean, one thing yourself was fascinating. If I remember

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Speaker 1: during the BLM riots in Portland, you have all these

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Speaker 1: like anti fault white guys freaking out about George Floyd. Right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, what, well, yes, take us take us back

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Speaker 1: into this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I go through that in the book as well.

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Speaker 2: It's you know, like three percent percent black city that

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Speaker 2: was historically racist. They had laws all the way through

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Speaker 2: the seventies that banned black people from living within the

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Speaker 2: city limits. And after George Floyd was killed, there were

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Speaker 2: protests that every single night followed the same formula. They'd

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Speaker 2: be a protest around sundown and there'd be speakers, there'd

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Speaker 2: be five thousand people out there, overwhelming majority of those

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Speaker 2: people out there with good intentions, and then a smaller

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Speaker 2: group that's stuck around. And by midnight you have five

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Speaker 2: hundred people, eight hundred people who were just smashing into

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Speaker 2: the fence with the express intention of instigating the police

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Speaker 2: and bringing them out from inside the courthouse. You know,

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Speaker 2: they'd be lighting garbage fires in the plaza, they'd be

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Speaker 2: doing whatever they could, firing fireworks into the plaza to

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Speaker 2: bring the police out, and you know, they were geared

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Speaker 3: And that chapter is called the Battle of.

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Speaker 2: The leaf Blowers because they use leaf blowers to blow

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Speaker 2: the tear gas away from the protests. Professors, rioters get

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Speaker 2: safe to call them, right, these ones rioters. The DHS

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Speaker 2: actually got their own leaf flowers because it was so effective.

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Speaker 2: So there were federal agents who were using leaf flowers

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Speaker 2: to blow the smoke towards the protest, and then the

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Speaker 2: protesters were using their own leaf flowers to blow it back.

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Speaker 2: So that was the most surreal moment of just seeing like,

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Speaker 2: are you know, basically law enforcement officers using leaf flowers.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, there's photos. I have some of

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Speaker 1: your footage and we want to share it with the audience.

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Speaker 1: I mean, stuff like this guy at some of these events,

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Speaker 1: some of these protests, who's dressed up in like an

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Speaker 1: medieval nights and jousts and stuff, literally full full.

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Speaker 2: Nights, get up like authentic you'd see at medieval times.

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Speaker 2: And that really gets into the aspect of you know,

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Speaker 2: how much of this is genuine protest and how much

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Speaker 2: of it is like costplaying knowing that the cameras are

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this because there's so much here

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Speaker 1: and I want to get into it. And also we

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Speaker 1: the chazz issue. Right at the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone,

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Speaker 1: which was Seattle, right, which how where the city of

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Speaker 1: Seattle people that think just want to forget they want

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Speaker 1: So I want you to tell us about that in

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Speaker 1: a moment. But first up. I mean, as I look

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Speaker 1: assaults on police officers? Did you see assaults on police

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Speaker 1: shove or throw something at a cop? And did they

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Speaker 2: No, they did not, And oftentimes you'd see those same

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Speaker 2: people come out literally the next night. And there's certainly

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Speaker 2: the same level of violence against police that I saw

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Speaker 2: there was major clashes with police as they broke that up.

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Speaker 1: Were you in Portland when they had the federal officers

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Speaker 1: who were there who were a problem that came up?

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Speaker 1: I remember reading about this, so I'm wondering if you

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Speaker 1: were like when they were trying to blind them with

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Speaker 1: the lasers. This became a new thing. They were shooting

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Speaker 1: lasers in the eyes of people, hoping to burn their

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they had lasers.

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Speaker 2: And I was there right when the first Molotov cocktails

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Speaker 2: Afar and saw this fire bomb explode and later on

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Speaker 2: the night one exploded in a massive fireball right in

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Speaker 3: And to my.

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Speaker 2: on that night, there was nothing.

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Speaker 1: So and so just to be clear, there were you saw,

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Speaker 1: you witnessed times where a Molotov cocktail, which anybody who

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Speaker 1: counter assault against the Russian invasion of Finland, and they

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Speaker 1: called it a Molotov cocktail because of the Foreign Minister

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Speaker 1: Molotov of Russia at the time. And they threw them

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Speaker 1: at the cops though, or they just threw them in

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Speaker 2: They did, and the one, the first one that I captured,

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Speaker 2: a smaller fireball than they put it out. And what

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Speaker 2: an easy target. So that one blew up right next

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Speaker 2: the rioters threw a molotov cocktail and lit one of

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Speaker 2: the other rioters hants on fire. So as far as

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Speaker 2: like actual injuries to officers, I don't you know. They

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Speaker 2: that I'm not aware of like serious injuries that took place.

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Speaker 2: But they were certainly trying, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: And who are these people who are doing this stuff

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Speaker 1: to the degree that you can like, well, people that

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Speaker 1: the Pacific. Why is also the Pacific Northwest like the

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Speaker 1: homeland of these lunatic anarchists or whatever and black Block

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Speaker 1: and all this, like take me through some of that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great question.

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Speaker 2: Well, the people who were out there, I think generally

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Speaker 2: obviously were disaffected, mostly younger people, especially when you compare

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Speaker 2: it with the MAGA crowd, which is a much older

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Speaker 2: demographic overall. But you know, a lot of these people

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Speaker 2: actually didn't live in Portland, same with Kenosha. They came

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Speaker 2: And Portland and Seattle are traditionally kind of these hot

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Speaker 2: spots where not only left wing agitators but also the

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Speaker 2: Proud Boys. That's really where they not Gavin McInnis is

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Speaker 2: based in New York. He started the Proud Boys, but

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Speaker 2: their primary location of instigation you call it, was Portland.

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Speaker 2: So it was not only like you had these extreme

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Speaker 2: demonstrators rioting for dozens of night nights on end. We're

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Speaker 2: mostly like your typical I think, kids without you know, opportunities,

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Speaker 2: had the proud Boys coming out to counter protest, and

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Speaker 2: that's a different situation entirely because.

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Speaker 3: They're they're proud, so you know who a proud boy is.

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Speaker 2: But if you ask somebody if they're Antifa in the book,

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Speaker 2: I call them the Umbrella Gang, because nobody's going to

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Speaker 2: tell you, oh yeah, I'm Antifa. You know, they wear

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Speaker 2: all black, they're specifically not designated as Antifa, whereas the

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Speaker 2: Proud Boys wear the black and gold shirts and you

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Speaker 2: can you know, says proud boys on there. So umbrella

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Speaker 2: gang the term that I used to describe them, but

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Speaker 1: You were at Kenosha, which turned really into for most

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Speaker 1: is the book. Tell us this What was it like

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Speaker 1: that night leading up to the lethal force self defense

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Speaker 1: of Kyle rittenhouse? What was going on in Kenosha.

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Speaker 2: Well, we arrived on the second head of rioting, so

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Speaker 1: Yeah, where were the police during all of this?

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Speaker 2: and I'm walking in between the two sides clashing a

434
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Speaker 2: lot of the On the Maga side they had pepper spray.

435
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Speaker 2: The cops had pepper spray, and so as each side

436
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Speaker 2: got pepper spray, they'd be running away, and I was

437
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Speaker 2: just standing in between. You know, my hands were burning

438
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Speaker 2: a little bit, but I was able to see and

439
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Speaker 2: able to function because I was prepared. And I climbed

440
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Speaker 2: up into the inauguration tower and filmed the breaking of

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Speaker 2: the police lines. And then once I saw them streaming in,

442
00:21:49,657 --> 00:21:52,177
Speaker 2: I was like, same as the BLM stuff. I'm not

443
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Speaker 2: going to trust the FEDS or the cops to tell

444
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Speaker 2: us what happened. I'm not going to trust the protesters

445
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Speaker 2: to tell us what happened. My job is to go

446
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Speaker 2: in there and get in the middle of it. And

447
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Speaker 2: I ended up on the other side of the house

448
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Speaker 2: doors where the sergeant at arms had their gunstrawn, and

449
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Speaker 2: that famous photo of the guy sticking his face through

450
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Speaker 2: the glass. He I was right behind that guy, so

451
00:22:11,737 --> 00:22:13,217
Speaker 2: I thought maybe I was going to get caught in

452
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Speaker 2: the crossfire yet again. After knocha, literally eight minutes later,

453
00:22:19,697 --> 00:22:22,857
Speaker 2: the cops finally peeled everybody off those doors. They got reinforcements.

454
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Speaker 2: I went into the rotunda and there was a guy

455
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Speaker 2: who had rolled a joint and was smoking a joint.

456
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Speaker 2: So that just shows like the scope of you know,

457
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Speaker 2: one side said it was totally peaceful. The other side

458
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Speaker 2: said they're all insurrectionists. It's the same as the BLM stuff.

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Speaker 2: The overwhelming majority were peaceful, but there's a small group

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Speaker 2: of people who were trying to break into those doors

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Speaker 2: and get into where the votes were being counted. So

462
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Speaker 2: both things can be true at the same time.

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Speaker 1: Did the FBI ever come knocking on your door and

464
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Speaker 1: try to ask you a lot of questions about this.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting. I have had at the time congressional

466
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Speaker 2: press credentials, so I was allowed to be in there

467
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Speaker 2: regardless of whether or not there was a riot taking place.

468
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Speaker 2: Interest they did not, and I thought that they would,

469
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Speaker 2: because you know, I published my footage. But you know,

470
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Speaker 2: you have to think that they're going to ask me,

471
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Speaker 2: do you have anything else? You know, do you have

472
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Speaker 2: anything else on your phone or do you have any

473
00:23:16,377 --> 00:23:18,457
Speaker 2: like we were in a bunch of different group chats

474
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Speaker 2: with like Proud Boys telegram chats, you know, So like,

475
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Speaker 2: how was it that through you know, my own intelligence gathering,

476
00:23:26,017 --> 00:23:29,257
Speaker 2: I was better prepared than the police were on that

477
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Speaker 2: day and knew that the o they were going to

478
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Speaker 2: be there was going to be violence. That's a question

479
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Speaker 2: that I still don't have the answer to.

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Speaker 1: Did you have any Did you have any sense from

481
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Speaker 1: the people who were there that they were concerned that

482
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Speaker 1: some of the people who were either in the run

483
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Speaker 1: up to this or during it, getting the crowd hyped up,

484
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Speaker 1: might have been plants? Is that something that ever came

485
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Speaker 1: up among the discussions with you know, these people these

486
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Speaker 1: telegram chats et cetera.

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Speaker 3: Definitely in reeps.

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Speaker 2: Was there the night before, and that video actually came

489
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Speaker 2: up in one of the chats. I remember he was saying,

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Speaker 2: we need to go into the capitol. That was on

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Speaker 2: January fifth, And actually I didn't realize until after the fact,

492
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Speaker 2: but as I was walking down the line, Ray Epps

493
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Speaker 2: is in my footage. He was right at the base

494
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Speaker 2: of the inauguration tower and he actually left right as

495
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Speaker 2: everybody was breaking the line. So he walked away right

496
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Speaker 2: as I got to the bottom of that tower and

497
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Speaker 2: climbed up. But there were, I mean dozens of different

498
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Speaker 2: interactions where people were screaming stop, stop, you know. So

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Speaker 2: some people were smashing into police shields and fighting with

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Speaker 2: the cops and pepper spray and them and a lot

501
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Speaker 2: of others were saying, guys, we have to stop this.

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Speaker 3: What are you guys doing?

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Speaker 2: So there is this like Lord of the Flies effect

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Speaker 2: that I call it, where you know, it only takes

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Speaker 2: one or two or three or four in a huge

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Speaker 2: group of people to start banging into police and once

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Speaker 2: the pepper spray comes out, once the tier guys comes out,

508
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Speaker 2: a different part of your brain turns on you see

509
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Speaker 2: a guy with a maga hat, get billy clubb down

510
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Speaker 2: to the ground, and you turn into a primal person.

511
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Speaker 2: You know, and I think, especially like in the modern day,

512
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Speaker 2: we don't really we're not in touch with that side

513
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Speaker 2: of the human psyche. But when that kind of happens,

514
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Speaker 2: you you know, you're not thinking anymore so much as

515
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Speaker 2: just running on primal circuitry.

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Speaker 4: been fascinating. I really, I'm I already have my copy

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Speaker 4: obviously here Riot Diet. I would tell everyone listening and

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Speaker 4: everyone watching please go get.

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Speaker 1: Their copy as well.

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Speaker 3: These stories. You know.

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Speaker 1: I did a little side note here when I first

548
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Speaker 1: so I came out of the CIA and I wasn't

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Speaker 1: looking to do media, and I got hired by Glenn

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Speaker 1: Back to do national security analysis for the Blaze. And

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Speaker 1: the first thing though, where I got to kind of

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Speaker 1: do reporting or you know, going out was Occupy Wall

553
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Speaker 1: Street and people think of Occupy Wall Street as just

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Speaker 1: this kind of weird like hippie fest down in Zuccati Park,

555
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Speaker 1: and there certainly was that, and you know it was,

556
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Speaker 1: but I was also there when they cleaned that thing

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Speaker 1: out and the cops were like throwing people around and

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Speaker 1: pepper spraying everybody and kettling everybody. I was there for

559
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Speaker 1: some of the antifa anti cop things that kind of

560
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Speaker 1: broke off of Occupy Wall Street during that people forget

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Speaker 1: Occupy Wall Streets. Zuccati Park was like the hub, but

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Speaker 1: there were other events. You know, they would meet up

563
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Speaker 1: in other places in the city and do this madness

564
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Speaker 1: and black block guys I remember, you know, NYPD guys

565
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Speaker 1: throwing them on the ground and pepper spraying people and stuff.

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Speaker 1: Was there was some mayhem going on with that, So

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Speaker 1: that was I don't know, it was interesting stuff to

568
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Speaker 1: see at the time, and obviously it grew and grew

569
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Speaker 1: to the point where where you were looking at this

570
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Speaker 1: stuff it got to you know, some some of the

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Speaker 1: biggest events in our recent sort of political and domestic

572
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Speaker 1: history involved some of this stuff. So really interesting to

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Speaker 1: hear you.

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Speaker 2: And that's why that's why they they came out and

575
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Speaker 2: supported BLM, all the big corporations, because after Occupy they said, well,

576
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Speaker 2: if we don't want to, if we can't beat them

577
00:28:11,057 --> 00:28:12,297
Speaker 2: and join them, right.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, I hadn't really even thought about that, yeah, because

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Speaker 1: I mean, originally it was all about it wasn't really

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Speaker 1: about Wall Street. It was more about sort of corporate

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Speaker 1: and bank bailouts, right. I mean it's funny because as

582
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Speaker 1: you know, Wall Street, they're in Zukati Park, Like Wall

583
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Speaker 1: Street now is basically a tourist attraction. You know, there's

584
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Speaker 1: some stuff down there, but actual banking is really in

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Speaker 1: Midtown Manhattan. That's where all the big bank's headquarters are now.

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Speaker 1: Except for a couple there's like Goldman down downtown, a

587
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Speaker 1: few others. But yeah, I'm just wondering this. It feels

588
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Speaker 1: like a lull right now. I want to close with this.

589
00:28:41,617 --> 00:28:45,337
Speaker 1: Feels like a lull in the left wing. You know,

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Speaker 1: Street soldier shock brigades. Right, haven't seen a lot of Antifa.

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Speaker 1: Havn't we got a Trump inauguration coming up? What are

592
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Speaker 1: you hearing?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 1: We didn't see the riots after the Trump win yet

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Speaker 1: but are we gonna see riots? Are they waiting for

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Speaker 1: the deportation stuff to begin and they're gonna start getting

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Speaker 1: all anarchists radical over that? Like what do you see

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Speaker 1: or have they just are they taking a breather here?

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Speaker 1: I mean, they don't have day jobs, so what are

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Speaker 1: they doing?

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Speaker 3: Richie?

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Speaker 2: Well, it definitely doesn't benefit if the incumbent party has

603
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Speaker 2: chaos under their watch. So I think the inauguration is

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Speaker 2: when that stuff's going to kick back off because Trump's

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00:29:23,977 --> 00:29:26,337
Speaker 2: back in power, and if you have chaos under Trump,

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Speaker 2: then Trump looks bad, you know, then he brings in

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Speaker 2: his his National Guard or DHS troops and then he's

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Speaker 2: the fascist that they all want him to be. So

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Speaker 2: I think definitely we'll see protests, inauguration clashes with counter

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Speaker 2: protesters and protesters and inauguration goers, and then I agree,

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Speaker 2: I think with all of the immigration stuff, I mean,

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Speaker 2: there's going to be a whole powder keg of different

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Speaker 2: issues that people are going to be going nuts to.

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Speaker 1: These lunatics that you've been covering for years now, and

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Speaker 1: you've been They're not done, is what you're that? They're

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Speaker 1: not done.

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Speaker 3: I don't think they're No, I don't think I don't

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Speaker 3: think it's done. Unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: Are you going to be at the inauguration?

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Speaker 3: I will be.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm trying to retire from this whole riot

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Speaker 2: beat because you know, I'm trying to you know, I'm

623
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Speaker 2: getting a little old. Plus you know, if people recognize you,

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Speaker 2: that's that's a big issue too. But I will definitely

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Speaker 2: be at inauguration and you know, we'll see how it goes.

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Speaker 1: Save a gas mask for me, buddy, because I'll be

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Speaker 1: there and uh and riot diet.

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Speaker 3: Here you go.

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Speaker 1: The book. Thank you. It needs to be extra large.

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Speaker 1: I got a big head and a lot of hair,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, absolutely, Richie, great work man. Congrats on the book,

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Speaker 1: and thank you for joining us here on a Buck Breef.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me Buck