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Speaker 1: and get you in queue for the following week. I

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Speaker 1: think it's the simple things that lead technicians and do

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Speaker 1: It's always that you know, rush, miss oh nuts, I

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Speaker 1: And we thought it would be interesting because we were

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Speaker 1: having conversation among ourselves this week of regarding its fourth

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Speaker 1: weekend or vice versa, And we thought about some of

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Speaker 1: the simple things that go wrong, and we thought we

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Speaker 1: would get an instructor's perspective, and who better than our

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Speaker 1: friend Steve from Cincinnati, Ohio.

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Speaker 2: Were welcome him back once again. Steve, welcome aboard.

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Speaker 3: Sir, thanks for having me back. Ron.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's the little thing, Steve, right, it's and

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Speaker 1: you see it.

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Speaker 2: All day long.

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Speaker 1: You're an instructor in a classroom and you're you're teaching

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Speaker 1: young adults and young technicians and people that want to

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Speaker 1: work on cars and learn the trade. And it's the

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Speaker 1: it's the time consuming simple mistakes.

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Speaker 2: What do you see them doing.

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Speaker 3: Most well, really, it's just like you said before, they

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Speaker 3: they don't do the basics. And the bottom line to

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Speaker 3: it is you get a car comes in and it's

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Speaker 3: not let's say it's not running correctly. You know a

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Speaker 3: lot of young technicians and that what they don't do

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Speaker 3: is they don't do simple things like, okay, let's check

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Speaker 3: the oil, make sure it's clean. You know, because we've

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Speaker 3: problem there. They don't. They don't check the battery, you know,

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Speaker 3: they don't think that, well, the car is cranking over fine,

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Speaker 3: so that can't be a problem. Guess what that can

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Speaker 3: be a problem be all native things of that nature.

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Speaker 3: To look at the look at the coolant in a vehicle.

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Speaker 3: You know, I've seen the cases where the coolant in

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Speaker 3: the vehicle becomes uh, extremely acidic, and of course it

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Speaker 3: and it causes all kinds of driveability issues.

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Speaker 1: And then that that and of itself can be the

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Speaker 3: Well, we had too. I had a while back. He

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Speaker 3: he says, He says, my car keeps eating wheel bearing

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Speaker 3: He said, I put a cheap one in, and he said,

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Speaker 3: they're dead. You know, I'm having problems with them. They're

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Speaker 3: on with it. And I says, well, I says, bring

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Speaker 3: I'm getting like a half a vault off of it. Well,

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Speaker 3: it just happens to be that it's affecting the wheel

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Speaker 3: bearing on the darn thing. You know, who would think

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Speaker 3: with that kind of malage that that kind of thing

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Speaker 3: sometimes people overlook the little things and they wind up

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Speaker 1: Steve, do you think that coolant is so much more critical?

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Speaker 2: Let me think I had to ask this question.

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Speaker 1: You know, it just seems like there's so many things

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it has a lot to do with it.

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Speaker 3: In fact, a big mistake that people make is going

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Speaker 3: and they say, well it'll work. And yet, well it'll work.

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Speaker 3: The coolan will work. But the problem with it is

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Speaker 3: is that coolant is not designed for that engine, and

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Speaker 3: when it breaks down, it's going to tack that engine

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Speaker 3: and components in that engine, and you're going to have

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Speaker 3: a repair bill and a half on your hands. Unfortunately

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Speaker 3: like that before it starts leaking. So there's no they

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Speaker 3: just don't put two and two together and say, oh,

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Speaker 3: it's caused because I had the wrong coolant in it.

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Speaker 3: But these coolants, you know, you got what trollises and

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Speaker 3: things of that that manufacturers are dealing with too, and

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Speaker 3: the coolants are designed to help address some of those issues.

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Speaker 3: So you put the wrong cooling it, you got a problem.

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Speaker 3: You need the cooling in too long, You got a problem.

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Speaker 3: And I know people will sit there and tell you, well,

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Speaker 3: this is a lifetime coolant, you know, an extended life coolin.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but lifetime, yeah.

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Speaker 3: A lifetime Well you know what a lifetime is don't

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Speaker 3: you let's say it with an automatic transmission. Okay, they

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Speaker 3: when that transmission burns up, that's the life of that transmission, right.

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Speaker 2: It's time for and it's time for another one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, So in that in this and essence too,

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Speaker 3: this is what this is what's taking places. Just little

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Speaker 3: of stress because the vehicles, you know, the temperatures that

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Speaker 3: it's you know, they're breaking down. They're breaking down a

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Speaker 3: lot quicker than what we would what you would normally expect.

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Speaker 3: But you got on the inner hand and the inn problem

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Speaker 3: you got to with everybody wanting to go to the

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Speaker 3: extended life and cool iNTS and and that is you

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Speaker 3: have the E p A telling manufacturers, hey, we need

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Speaker 3: these coolants and these fluids to go a lot longer

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Speaker 3: then than what they used to. Because you know, there's

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Speaker 3: a when you drain the cool one out of a

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Speaker 3: like that. You know, there's there's a certain amount of waste.

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Speaker 2: Right, and where's it and where's it gonna go? And

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Speaker 2: then what are we going to do with it? Right?

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Speaker 3: And to that. And I heard recently that the EPA

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Speaker 3: is looking into trying to get car manufacturers. And I

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Speaker 3: don't know the whole deal on. This is just something

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Speaker 3: i'd heard, but they're trying to get car manufacturers to

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Speaker 3: recommend fifteen thousand mile oil interchange intervals.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll go over real, will.

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Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing I can. I can take a

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Speaker 3: synthetic oil, put a good filter on it, and I

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Speaker 3: can run fifteen thousand thousand of cars new I can

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Speaker 3: do that, But eventually it's going to catch up with

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Speaker 3: it and you're going to have engine problems, right, you know?

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Speaker 1: So have you seen the new Consumer Reports article, Steve.

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Speaker 1: Have you had a chance to read it about the

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Speaker 1: oil consumption issues and how they know?

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Speaker 3: But I know, but I am aware of it. In fact,

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Speaker 3: I've done some research on I was listening to the

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Speaker 3: guy that you were head on there about the Honda

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Speaker 3: before you guys were talking about that and one of

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Speaker 3: the things that I read an article and I think

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Speaker 3: it was a motor age I can't remember where it was,

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Speaker 3: but they said one of the things that they believe

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Speaker 3: is causing some of the problems is because of the

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Speaker 3: synthetical oils that they're using in the engines and things

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Speaker 3: of that nature. If they don't crosshatch those cylinders just perfect,

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Speaker 3: the rings never see them, and that's where they're getting

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Speaker 3: they think they're getting some of their oil consumption.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure, hey, Steve, I'm gonna pull over and

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Speaker 1: take a pause. Let me hold you another segment. A

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Speaker 1: couple of more things I want to go over with

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Speaker 2: I'm running ending in the car Doctor. We are back

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Speaker 2: right after this.

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Speaker 4: She's real. Find my four nine, She's real.

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Speaker 5: Find my call nine my.

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Speaker 2: Full Welcome back, Ronalini and the car Doctor.

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Speaker 1: We're here with our friend, instructor, Steve Cincinnati, Ohio, and

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Speaker 1: we choose to identify.

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Speaker 2: Him that way for a variety of reasons. We're trying

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Speaker 2: to maintain some and an anonymity here. Correct, Steve, correct,

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Speaker 2: So we'll leave it like that. I'm looking at this

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Speaker 2: article from Consumer Reports. I want to get your reaction

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Speaker 2: to this.

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Speaker 1: The magazine focused on survey data from four hundred and

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Speaker 1: ninety eight thousand owners of twenty ten to twenty fourteen

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Speaker 1: model vehicles, and ninety eight percent of them said they

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Speaker 1: did not have to add oil between changes. But even

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Speaker 1: if the problem happens to only two percent of owners,

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Speaker 1: that equals one point five million cars from the five

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Speaker 1: model years. Several engines from three manufacturers were the main offenders,

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Speaker 1: according to the magazine. They include out He's two liter

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Speaker 1: cylinder engines. The Subaru's burned less oil than the others.

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Speaker 1: Standards for certain engines and I'm paraphrasing certain engines and

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Speaker 1: manufacturers say that it's reasonable to burn a quart of

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Speaker 1: oil every six to seven hundred miles.

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Speaker 2: What do you think about that, Steve.

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Speaker 3: I think it's inexcusable for any engine in a new

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Speaker 3: car today to burn that kind of oil. It's just

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Speaker 3: just no way. That's a lot of oil getting past

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Speaker 3: those rings. And you know that oil gets passed the rings,

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Speaker 3: the engines burn it and stuff and guess what that

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Speaker 3: stuffed heads yep. Break down to the catalytic converter, and

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Speaker 3: that gets you. Yeah, I could be expensive too, because

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Speaker 3: you get down that catlet converter and it ruins that converter.

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Speaker 3: You know, chances are that converter is going to live

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Speaker 3: long enough, it's going to be out of warranty, out

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Speaker 3: of its emissions to warranty, and then it's going to die.

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Speaker 3: So I mean to me, if someone sits there and

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Speaker 3: going to tell me that it's normal to use a

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Speaker 3: would have nothing to do with that car whatsoever, over

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Speaker 3: that car manufacture, because that's insane.

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Speaker 2: Well, then and then what do you do with Okay,

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Speaker 2: let's play it out.

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Speaker 1: So four years from now, when that car has eighty

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Speaker 1: seven hundred miles, if the manufacturer considers acceptable. And now

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Speaker 2: So you know, he's saving himself money.

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Speaker 2: And it's going to be interesting. Steve.

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Speaker 1: The clock's gonna take us and I've got to go.

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Speaker 1: But as always, sir, a great pleasure talking to you.

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Speaker 3: All right, Thank you, You do the same, and everybody

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Speaker 2: Safe, all right? Yeah, absolutely, Steve.

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