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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer, Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 3: are you. You are here. That makes this the stuff

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Speaker 3: they don't want you to know? Dylan, can we get

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Speaker 3: a record scratch perfect? It's astonishing, friends and neighbors, fellow

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Speaker 3: conspiracy realists to realize that we've done this show for

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Speaker 3: more than a decade now in some shape, form or fashion,

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Speaker 3: we still have so much more to do. And there

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Speaker 3: are some things that we look back on and we

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Speaker 3: so many things that fascinated us for a long long time,

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Speaker 3: and this is one of those episodes.

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Speaker 4: Well, and first of all, thank god that we haven't

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Speaker 4: just like run out of stuff to talk about. That'd

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Speaker 4: be a real Bummer for the show. But another one

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Speaker 4: in the same vein is the Bermuda Triangle, which we're

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Speaker 4: doing very soon live from the Bermuda Triangle.

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Speaker 2: I like that.

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Speaker 3: I like say that. That's the log line that I

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Speaker 3: love to fitch. It's true, folks, We're going to the

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Speaker 3: High Seas on a conspiracy cruise or a conspira cruise

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Speaker 3: if you will, with our pals at Virgin Voyages October

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Speaker 3: tenth through the fifteenth, and we will be doing a

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Speaker 3: live episode about the Bermuda Triangle from the Bermuda Triangle.

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Speaker 3: Wishes luck and join us.

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Speaker 5: And it is a true crime crew, so that is

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Speaker 5: make sure you bring your pipe and your I guess, Fedora,

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Speaker 5: is that the type of hat that it is?

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Speaker 4: A deer stalker? Is the hat that Sherlock Holmes.

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Speaker 2: Don bring whatever that is and definitely that.

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Speaker 4: Pipe and leave your kiddos at home because this is

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Speaker 3: Along with our pals the podcast Betrayal and Buried Bones,

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Speaker 3: I still love being able to say we're we're doing

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Speaker 3: a Bermuda Triangle show from the Bermuda Triangle because we

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Speaker 3: can retroactively explain or wreckon that as the reason we

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Speaker 3: That episode.

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Speaker 4: We have reasons, but that's not what we're talking about today.

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Speaker 4: Today's episode is another how the heck haven't we gotten

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're going back to two thousand and nine, March

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Speaker 5: eighth to thousand and nine, which is the first episode

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Speaker 5: ever of Ancient Aliens on the History Channel. That's ultimately

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Speaker 5: what we're going back to. And then we're going back

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Speaker 5: even further, way way back to the beginnings of mankind.

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Speaker 3: Far before we dreamed of the stuff they don't want

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Speaker 3: you to know, back when this show was a mere

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Speaker 3: glimmer and a dark and human eye. We separately and

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Speaker 3: together asked whether, sometime far before the age of modern civilization,

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Speaker 3: unknown powers may have interacted with the things we call

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Speaker 3: that came after. That's right, folks, This finally is our

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Speaker 3: episode on the Anunaki. Here are the facts, the factual history,

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Speaker 2: So the more.

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Speaker 3: Skeptical of us in the crowd are going to hear

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Speaker 3: Anu Naki as a concept is both real and historically proven.

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Speaker 3: People did talk about this from like way before podcasting.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, there are myths. There are ancient Sumerian concepts

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Speaker 4: You've got a mythology anthology.

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Speaker 5: It's a mythology anthology, and it goes back through here

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll get to it. We'll get historical spiritual remixes.

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Speaker 3: You love to see religious syncretism, the game of telephone. Right, So,

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Speaker 4: The seed is strong.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know why I'm bringing this up, guys.

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Speaker 5: Right, And just to get our timeline straight here, because

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Speaker 4: One hundred percent. And we've got to remember too that

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Speaker 5: And another thing to keep in mind here when we

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Speaker 3: The difference between Samerian, Bilonian, Akkadian. As we mentioned Mesopotamian.

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Speaker 3: And this is why again we see the battle of interpretation.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And in these stories specifically, this guy Yankee was

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we're a coastal city, right, Our

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Speaker 3: I am trying. I know so many of us listening

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Speaker 2: That's not where I go, man, But that is an

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Speaker 3: It's a place where people went, right because a lot

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Speaker 5: Yes, well, I think a lot of us got, you know,

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent, you know, And this is we go

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Speaker 4: Oh Man Marduk. And this makes me think of it.

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Speaker 4: He always goes it's exactly. He just goes back on it.

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Speaker 5: And he's just talking about you know, these creation myths

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, And then he gets into interpretation, like what

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And everybody wants there. Everybody in these civilizations wants

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Speaker 3: uh Nebukonser and Babylonian Society of Mythology, so of course

437
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 3: they're gonna spit something different versus you know, a Syrian

438
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 3: Akkadian civilization.

439
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 4: Can we all soft agree that nebuk and Azar is

440
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 4: one of the coolest biblical names.

441
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. Man, that's pretty sick, the best ship I've ever known.

442
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's alien, right.

443
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 2: Uh, well, I know for sure it's matrix, right, No, matrix.

444
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,239
Speaker 4: You're certainly characteristic. How dare I? People are screaming at

445
00:26:58,280 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 4: their podcast devices right now.

446
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 3: Oh they're happy. Please be happy, folks.

447
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 4: We're glad you're hest was alien. You could see it

448
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 4: was an honest mistake, y'all.

449
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 3: I think it's cool that we have an opportunity to

450
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 3: bring up all those names. I'd also like to say, uh,

451
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 3: being the opposite of an expert in Christianity, one of

452
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 3: my favorite biblical names is Melchesedek, which is a super

453
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 3: mystery character.

454
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 4: Mouth field.

455
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, in the Torah and in uh, the New Testament.

456
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 3: Very very fascinating character. Actually, maybe worth an episode or

457
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 3: just a weird hangout session.

458
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 4: And let's just hit a little shout out to Methusela

459
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 4: that out there, and in hours we can we can

460
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 4: move forward with this.

461
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 2: Give it up for.

462
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 3: Who doesn't love a little chaos, especially if it's prime evil.

463
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 3: Uh Melchesaedek, Oh my gosh, what a fascinating character. Sorry, Okay,

464
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 3: we'll take a word from our sponsor and we'll be

465
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 3: right back. We don't know all of the names of

466
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 3: the Anunaki. We don't know all of the We don't

467
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 3: know the maximum number described. We know that many had

468
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 3: patronages what we would call areas of focus and specialties,

469
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 3: but we don't know all of that either. We know

470
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 3: that later Hittite and Hurrian society picked up on this

471
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 3: thread that had already been created for them. They looked

472
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 3: at these earlier civilizations and they started talking a little

473
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 3: bit of trash. Their mythology describes the what we think

474
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 3: are the Anunaki as quote former gods, the gods who

475
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 3: got demoted. This is the turn where we're talking about

476
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 3: god to angel to demon. They said, these used to

477
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 3: be gods, and now our society is kicking it at

478
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 3: the top. So the these former gods from these loser

479
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 3: societies are banished to the nether world by a new

480
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 3: generation of deities. Are new x men?

481
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 4: Right, are you?

482
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 3: Gods that are straight up hittype?

483
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 5: My guy, key just say, it's so much fun to

484
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 5: imagine that all of these gods are in fact space

485
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 5: aliens of some sort. Right where the first crew comes in,

486
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 5: they run things, they set things up for a little while,

487
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 5: then they get, you know, be bested by some other

488
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 5: aliens that come down and they're like, aha, get out

489
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 5: of here. You're kicked out now, and then the new

490
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 5: guys run stuff. It's really fun to imagine it. To

491
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 5: imagine it that way, it's fun, I said, to imagine it.

492
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: It is not.

493
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 5: Particularly enriching in any way. It's just it's like a

494
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 5: little snack you can have between meals.

495
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 3: I gotta with great respect and affection, I've got to

496
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 3: hold off on perspective on this with the they get

497
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 3: a little further in, okay, because I'm so into this

498
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 3: that I would say instead, we can't definitely disprove that,

499
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, if you were if you

500
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 3: were there and you know that's not what happened, or

501
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 3: if you hate fun, feel free to email us.

502
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that's it. It's just a it stirs.

503
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 5: Something in the kid that is me that you know,

504
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 5: did grow up watching like the Alien franchise, Preditor Franchise,

505
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 5: Star Trek, all these things where you just imagine those

506
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 5: things and then you imagine, oh, what if people were

507
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 5: trying to convey this way back then, but they didn't

508
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 5: have the words and the phrases that we have now

509
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 5: and the concepts that we have now.

510
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 2: But they did it. Look it's right there on this

511
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 2: clay tablet.

512
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 3: I already bought. I already paid for Chariot of the

513
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 3: Gods this Yearies like I bought those books. I can't

514
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 3: get a refund. This can't all be forgot, which a

515
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 3: lot of people probably subconsciously are saying. I mean, look,

516
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 3: we see the role in importance the identity of the Annaki.

517
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 3: They evolved, they change and step with the socio political

518
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 3: values of the dominant cultures of the day. That's why

519
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 3: some of these gods literally get demoted from heaven to

520
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 3: the underworld to the nether world. As you were saying,

521
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 3: isn't that what happened with Lucifer as well? I mean,

522
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 3: what an interesting parallel he popped off, Yeah he did.

523
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 2: He literally he was.

524
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 4: In his mouth too much, Yeah he was.

525
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was sassy, a little too much, little promethea

526
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 3: of the guy.

527
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 4: So a fall story is also has that syncretism right

528
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 4: fall from the race.

529
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 5: During the concept again, like just the concept that maybe

530
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 5: somebody who was running stuff from above had to come

531
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 5: down here now and just live amongst all the humans

532
00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 5: that they created.

533
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, oh my god, you guys, Okay, so this

534
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 3: is wheat all right. I know it looks like some

535
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 3: bulk grass. But just walk with me here for a second,

536
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 3: all right. And uh they keep hitting, you know, their

537
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 3: star Trek badge.

538
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 4: They come up, beat me up, beat me up.

539
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 2: It just doesn't work.

540
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 4: They just uh.

541
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 3: So look, sometimes one god would be Annaki, and sometimes

542
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 3: it would not, it would be a non Annaki god.

543
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 3: And uh, and the think here's one of the weirdest

544
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 3: things about this. We know that they were cited as

545
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 3: witnesses in proclamations and legal agreements. These are real things

546
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 3: that real provable human beings, Homo sapiens wrote, and they

547
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 3: would type out these names. They would type out names

548
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 3: like Nana or Utu or shamash or or in little

549
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 3: and stuff like that.

550
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.

551
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 3: With a chisel, so they had time to think about it,

552
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 3: and they were chiseling painfully this stuff into stone. I

553
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 3: would say, I don't know what you guys think, but

554
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 3: I would say this is a precedent to how people

555
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 3: might say, as God is my witness today, right. I

556
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 3: don't think people imagine that Hesham or Jehovah is showing

557
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 3: up and saying yeah, no, that makes sense, Yeah, that

558
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 3: makes sense to me.

559
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, or hey, or is it their boss, Like what

560
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 5: if there is a boss somewhere up there, like, ah, crap,

561
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 5: I gotta do this, gotta do this one.

562
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 2: Ship, this one goes here, after that ship.

563
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 4: There we go. That's for the homies.

564
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 3: I mean this this was probably at least the mention

565
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 3: of religious deities as sort of a guaranteur of a

566
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 3: of a contract. That was probably due to the fact

567
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:07,719
Speaker 3: that temples were the things that we would call the

568
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 3: centers of science, right, They were the academies, the libraries,

569
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 3: the research facilities of the day. They handled a lot

570
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 3: of legal work because that's most people who could read

571
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 3: were in the religious cast. And they also handled the

572
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 3: food distribution. So if everybody in charge of your food

573
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 3: system at the top is also a priest, they're gonna

574
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:33,720
Speaker 3: mention priest stuff.

575
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that does it? Really? Does?

576
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 5: It makes logical sense, which is generally helpful for all

577
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 5: of our understanding of the past. Right, does it make

578
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 5: logical sense that they would do something like that? Okay,

579
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 5: well let's go with that one. That right, But you know,

580
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 5: outside of all the other explanations that it could be.

581
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 3: And you never see throughout the entire historical record, you

582
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 3: never see see proof of a group of people worshiping

583
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 3: all of the anonaki overall. You find proof over and over,

584
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 3: time and time again of people worshiping particular popular Annunaki.

585
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 3: I'd like to kick my favorite analogy for this. This

586
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 3: is what I think the best modern comparison is. I

587
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 3: want to pick Pittsburgh because we got some excellent letters

588
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 3: from our Pittsburgh conspiracy realist here. We're sorry we dugged

589
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 3: on the pizza. We understand that it's not as popular

590
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 3: as a lot of people say outside of Pittsburgh. But

591
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 3: let's say you are in Pittsburgh and you say, there

592
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 3: are other sports teams, but my team is the Pirates.

593
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 3: I like the Pittsburgh Pirates. That's how worshiping the Anunaki went.

594
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 3: You would say, I know there are other anunaki, right,

595
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 3: but in my city, this is our favorite one. This

596
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 3: is the one we worship. So the closest comparison to

597
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 3: the modern day Anunaki is going to be something between

598
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 3: Patron Saints and your favorite sports team.

599
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that checks out.

600
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,760
Speaker 5: It also makes sense that for all of the different

601
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 5: gods there was a different specific thing that they were

602
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 5: in charge of, right, So it would kind of make

603
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 5: sense that if you're doing all the wheat stuff, you're

604
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 5: going to put the name of the god that has

605
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 5: to do with the wheat stuff, you know, I mean,

606
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 5: that would that would make a whole lot of sense.

607
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 5: And then if you're you know, you're out on a

608
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 5: boat fishing every day, maybe if you write tablets or

609
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 5: you're calculating, you know, the amount of fish you caught

610
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 5: and sending it back, maybe you put that God on.

611
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 4: Well, it's it's the origin of worship, isn't it, right,

612
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 4: I mean, like the functional origin of worship, where if

613
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 4: you praise and offer sacrifice, and you know, your loyalty,

614
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 4: et cetera, to a certain deity that is in charge

615
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 4: arge or oversees a certain sector of the economy let's

616
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 4: call it, or just like the agricultural world or whatever,

617
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 4: you know, conditions that are required for your subsistence, maybe

618
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 4: you'll get a little bit of a boon, you know,

619
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 4: maybe that God will look down more fondly upon you.

620
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 3: Well, what are you going to do? You're going to

621
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,959
Speaker 3: be one of those clowns out on the high sea

622
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 3: praying to the God of the planes.

623
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 4: Come on, man, it makes no sense.

624
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 2: Get it together. That's how you end up with altuna pizza.

625
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 4: Well, and it's also interesting too, how like we no

626
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 4: longer necessarily need that kind of relationship with God. So

627
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 4: you know, modern religion tends to be less focused on

628
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 4: like the seasons or you know, the harvest, and it's

629
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 4: just a little more about like earning points for the afterlife,

630
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 4: as weird al would put it.

631
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 3: I love it, you know what I mean? Because if

632
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 3: nothing is true, then why not play with everything.

633
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 4: I'm with that. I'm all behind that, yes a million,

634
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 4: and choose have fun with you know.

635
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know Chipotle approached the spirituality. You know, hand

636
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 3: me some avocado, right.

637
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 4: Okay, Guacamola's extra ben guacamole is.

638
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 3: Extra Yeah, so am I. Let's hey, what if we

639
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 3: go to an ad break real quick?

640
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 4: Hope it's.

641
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 3: And we have returned all right without ambushing everybody with

642
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 3: some sort of secret university course tricking you into learning

643
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 3: about religious syncretism ancient Mesopotamia, et cetera. That's the basic

644
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 3: what we gave you is the basic level of knowledge

645
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 3: that we know about the Adu Naki, and this knowledge

646
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 3: that we do know is absolutely utterly dwarfed by all

647
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 3: the stuff we do not know. They're primarily mentioned in

648
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 3: literary text. There is to date no depiction of the

649
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 3: Naki as a complete group. No one has found a

650
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 3: bas relief, No one has found some huge painting in

651
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 3: a hidden cave or go Beckley tepi ish type stuff

652
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 3: where there's a group picture of the Anunaki, like on

653
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 3: a Wu Tang album. Last hip hop reference, I probat believe.

654
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,959
Speaker 3: I don't believe the pause.

655
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 4: Not at sam Man. I do love a hip hop

656
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 4: crew and ensemble. We've talked about that. Yeah, so great.

657
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 3: I wish it happened more often than other genres too, greed.

658
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, can we talk about something really uncomfortable for a second, guys,

659
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 5: my god, Yes, in these stories with the and Naki,

660
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 5: it gets really really incestuous really quickly, and too. If

661
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 5: it happened one time, it would be troubling and like, oh,

662
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 5: this is not good. I don't like that the gods

663
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 5: are doing this.

664
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 3: But yeah, there's a story Dan lil right, Yeah, there's

665
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 3: a story.

666
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 5: In this this huge tone called an in the Island

667
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 5: of dilmun d I l m u N. And it

668
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 5: is basically a huge list of how Ankie fathered one

669
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 5: god or goddess well, and it uses, I'm gonna say

670
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:22,720
Speaker 5: it uses the phrase spilling his semen into people and things.

671
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 5: It is, yes, and this is a giant collection of them.

672
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 5: But it happens he does it to one of his daughters,

673
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 5: and then her daughter, and then her daughter and her daughter,

674
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 5: and finally one of one of his.

675
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 2: Offspring ends up taking revenge on him.

676
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 5: But it's just it is really creepy how it ends

677
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 5: up being depicted in this way, as it's one god

678
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 5: that is creating all of these things in a weird

679
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 5: line mm hmm, but with his own creations somehow, I don't.

680
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 4: Right, and doesn't.

681
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 3: I think in the primary narrative we're talking here, it's

682
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 3: not the one where he also bangs his parents.

683
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 2: Nope, that's a that's a different one, Okay.

684
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 3: But yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of

685
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 3: ancestual stuff because they're also speaking in terms of metaphor

686
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 3: right in symbolism.

687
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 5: Yes, there's another one over here called the Gods of Denux,

688
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 5: and it's again it's how some of the gods are

689
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 5: depicted killing like their own parents and then becoming one

690
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 5: with like their mother, and like fathering children with their

691
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 5: own mother on purpose. But again I think you're right, Ben,

692
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 5: it's it's more of talking about how natural systems end

693
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 5: up functioning and all this other stuff. It's not actually

694
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 5: well hopefully it's not actually meant to be entities doing this.

695
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 3: It's also satisfying for the audience, right because to your point, Noel,

696
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 3: it explains a lot of the natural world and the

697
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 3: relationship between concepts. And then two, to your point, Matt,

698
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 3: it also satisfies the human love of messiness of drama, right,

699
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 3: the reason wrestling and reality television. Right, it's the reason

700
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 3: people slow down at a car crash just to watch

701
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 3: your tragedy and your missteps vicariously.

702
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 5: Well, and theoretically it can be a lesson to be taught. Right,

703
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 5: So if you can read the messages, if you are

704
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 5: one of those people that can actually read in these times,

705
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 5: you can then convey this to a group of people

706
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 5: as a here's a morality tale, so hopefully help you

707
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 5: live the way it's going to benefit us that those

708
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 5: of es who can.

709
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 3: Read, and then you could also you could use it

710
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 3: to do. We won't say man splain, We'll say priest splain.

711
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 3: You could priest splain things that were not readily a

712
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 3: pair of or have some sort of reason like why

713
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 3: does why is this fruit or this vegetable on a

714
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 3: different harvest cycle from this other one? Well, you guys

715
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 3: heard about God right, there was weird banging stuff going on,

716
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 3: so you know.

717
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 2: Thigs so priesce priece.

718
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, why must I toil every day with this

719
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 5: pickaxe thing down in these stones in the quarry all

720
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 5: day long?

721
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 4: And silence peasants? I slapped thee down.

722
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 2: Here's the story.

723
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 3: Let him speak, young man. You're in your ninth summer,

724
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 3: which means in the minds, your life is done. It's

725
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 3: almost over for you.

726
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 2: But I'm only nine years old.

727
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 4: It's a much more effective tool than the slap down.

728
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 4: The slap down, you know, it causes rebellion, it causes resentment,

729
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 4: whereas teaching people and molding them in your image is

730
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 4: a long con and it allows people to become much

731
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 4: more malleable when they feel like they have something to gain.

732
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 3: Nine year old, as you know, slavery is widespread and

733
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 3: super cool and and and your your new name shall

734
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 3: be after the god of seeking untold treasures in the

735
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 3: deep nine year old underdig.

736
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 4: Now, excuse me while I spill my seamen.

737
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 3: All across the land, as Marduke wills.

738
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 2: Indeed, he did that in the story.

739
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 5: He spilled it on the lands and created all kinds

740
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 5: of strange fruits and food.

741
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 3: To check out every creation. I love these things. So

742
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 3: we also know that we don't have any real it's

743
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 3: similar or in some ways to other supernatural entities. We

744
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 3: don't have any real, definitive, uniform description of what the

745
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 3: Anunaki look like. They're The descriptions of them are pretty

746
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 3: vague and confusing. We know they're anthropomorphic, they're superpowered. They're

747
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 3: often depicted as giants shout out to the nephelim Uh.

748
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 3: They're often this is what I don't know if this

749
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 3: got you guys the way it got me. They often

750
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 3: have a specific kind of drip or swag. It's called malam.

751
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 3: It's the garb of heroes, giants, demons, and certain powerful kings.

752
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 3: And it's a less it's less like actual clothing. It's

753
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 3: more like a vibe.

754
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 5: Yeah tell you spacesuits, bro, come on, you get you

755
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 5: can totally see why. Someone getting really into this and

756
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 5: starts to see a picture and they're.

757
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 2: Like, oh what what Oh.

758
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're nine feet tall, they wear wear weird clothes,

759
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 5: they came from the sky.

760
00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 2: Come on trip.

761
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 4: Just look at that drip such riz.

762
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 3: I mean it's the original Supreme. That's for you know,

763
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 3: the original Supreme. Yeah, I'm saving I'm saving the space stuff,

764
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 3: saving the space stuff.

765
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 4: See, you got to.

766
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 6: Uh anyway, we've got to do the facts still. Okay, okay, no,

767
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 6: we're in a great spot. So how would you know,

768
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:32,240
Speaker 6: blam if you encountered it. According to the scant historical records,

769
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 6: you would experience something called me as in Knights.

770
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 4: Of kidd pof yes, what is me? Well, if be careful,

771
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 4: we want to say knee to you again shrubbery, which is,

772
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 4: let's just be honest real quick and offering. The Knights

773
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 4: of Me are godlike in their demand if you saw, Yeah, yeah,

774
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 4: they are for sure. Their demand of what do you

775
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 4: call it? Tribute?

776
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 5: Yes, so so ME is like that feeling of maybe

777
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 5: you've experienced it if you ever walked outside in the dark,

778
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 5: like let's say, just somewhere in your neighborhood or your backyard,

779
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 5: none of the lights are on. You walked outside, and

780
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 5: you just feel something, And I would describe it as

781
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,439
Speaker 5: a bit of fear, a bit of like that primordial

782
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 5: tension of just not being able to see or know

783
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 5: what's out there. It's that tingly feeling you get in

784
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 5: your arms.

785
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 2: Maybe that I don't know, it's in my.

786
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 4: Hair, is standing on end.

787
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 3: Perhaps someone walks over your grave would be another idiom.

788
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

789
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 5: To me, it's it's the feeling of not understanding or

790
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 5: not knowing something in a moment when it could potentially

791
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 5: harm you.

792
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's that's the way I would describe it.

793
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 4: Maybe let's say it's a very Lovecraftian feeling of that

794
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 4: encounter with the unknowable, the unseeable, right, hmmm, the unexperienceable.

795
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 5: But in this case it would be something heavenly divine,

796
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 5: something beyond your understanding.

797
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, the beyond. Yeah, back to Lovecraft, yes, or from

798
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 4: beyond rather yes, yeah.

799
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 3: Instead of the piece that surpasses yeah, understanding, it's the uh,

800
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 3: it's the awareness beyond words. Right, something is in the room,

801
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 3: the call is coming from inside the house. You get

802
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 3: goosebumps in the presence of the supernatural, the divide, and

803
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 3: so if a king gives you that vibe, then they

804
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 3: must be chosen or cosin by God the annachy. Also

805
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 3: this is weirdly specific. Uh, they have wings, but even

806
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 3: more specific, they have hats with ox horns. Now different

807
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 3: amounts of ox horns, but they got horny hats.

808
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, they look really because we could you can actually

809
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 5: see these there were. There are depictions of them that

810
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 5: were chiseled, just the way some of these other things

811
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 5: we've been discussing were chiseled in language. There are pictures

812
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 5: of these Anunaki doing things like appearing to bestow things

813
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 5: upon the humans, and that are depicted smaller that are

814
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 5: depicted differently. There's one that we'll get into later that

815
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 5: looks like and according to Zachariah, is like the human

816
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,240
Speaker 5: being created, which is really right. But it's a tiny

817
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 5: little human compared to this giant and Unaki thing.

818
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 3: Mm yeah yeah, And this we see already for any

819
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 3: student of religion. These early belief systems surrounding Anunaki. Diplomatically put,

820
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 3: they have interesting correlations to later religious and spiritual belief systems.

821
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 3: Bluntly put, they inform a lot of those stories because

822
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 3: you can you know, Joseph Campbell comes a law way

823
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 3: later in Fraser and the Golden Bough and all that stuff.

824
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 3: But they're they're seeing the same pattern that you're seeing

825
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 3: when you hear about this. And the danger here is

826
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 3: that because we know so little about the contemporary beliefs

827
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 3: surrounding and knocking their heyday, it became increasingly, i'll say

828
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 3: it damningly easy for later scholars and religious leaders to

829
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 3: insert their own beliefs, their own agendas, and their own

830
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 3: preferences into the remnants of this pre existing narrative. They

831
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,720
Speaker 3: found like part of the dinosaur bones and they made

832
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 3: whatever fanciful dragon best suited them.

833
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 4: Ooh ooh. And to that point, you know about like

834
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 4: modern religion versus these you know, ancient polytheistic forms of religion,

835
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 4: there are a lot of reasons that monotheism is a

836
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 4: more modern approach and is another flavor of religion that

837
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 4: kind of converts that form of control to something that

838
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,720
Speaker 4: you know, a certain organizations are able to wield.

839
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 3: Right mm hmmm, yeah, well said, well, this means exactly

840
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 3: that for every acknowledged genuine historical question, there are going

841
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 3: to be tons of proposed answers and those proposed answers

842
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 3: are going to come from this proven and we're not

843
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 3: being jerks about this. They're going to come from people

844
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 3: who are one hundred percent convinced that they are telling

845
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 3: you the truth. They're not necessarily trying to pull a

846
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 3: fast one on you. They genuinely believe it. And folks,

847
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 3: with this the proposed answers, we've we've been teasing a

848
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 3: lot of things, as you mentioned off, Eric Noel, and

849
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 3: I don't know about you, guys, I've certainly had a

850
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 3: difficult time holding off for what will have to be

851
00:51:55,760 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 3: part two of our exploration of the Annunaki. But before

852
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 3: we do that, we've got a little bit further to go, folks.

853
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 3: The research on ancient Mesopotamian societies has been heavily impacted

854
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 3: by real world wars, unrest, prejudice, disease, disaster, you name

855
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 3: a terrible thing, oh buckreuse, and it hit this region

856
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 3: at some point over the millennia, and it hit it hard.

857
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.

858
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 3: This is before the Bronze Age collapse. No one knows

859
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:33,720
Speaker 3: what happened that. There's so many mysteries between the Anunaki

860
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 3: in their heyday and twenty twenty five August eighteenth as

861
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 3: we record this, so this dearth of evidence combined with

862
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 3: the difficulty of genuine research, we see again and again

863
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 3: those attempts to interpret or influence the modern understanding of Anunaki.

864
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 3: And we're going to see this as a pattern that

865
00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 3: continued way again, way before podcasting the myths of the flood,

866
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 3: the epic of Gilgamesh.

867
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 4: Right, another banger of the name. Sorry Gilgamesh.

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Speaker 3: Why aren't there more Gilgameshes?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? And where's Gargamel in all of this question?

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Speaker 3: Yes, the original o g Gargabel just.

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Speaker 2: Talking about the flood.

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Speaker 5: It is fascinating to see a depiction of the great

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Speaker 5: flood that wipes out all of humanity except for this

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Speaker 5: one guy that the god, the main god at the time,

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Speaker 5: is talking to and convinces that guy to turn his

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Speaker 5: house into a boat and then convinces him to bring

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Speaker 5: animals two by two mating couples onto this boat and

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Speaker 5: survive the great flood. Way before it was written down

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Speaker 5: in a thing called the Bible.

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Speaker 4: This idea of like a great reset, you know, that

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Speaker 4: appears in multiple place.

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Speaker 5: Because the gods, the god or gods are angry the

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Speaker 5: humans aren't doing they were supposed to do, They're not

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Speaker 5: doing it right, So let's just wipe the slate clean.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you guys know me, I'm gonna fight the

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Speaker 3: power entity. But with that being said, shout out to

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Speaker 3: our buddy Ze Sudra, right the og Noah.

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Speaker 4: Well I don't know about Ze Sudra, but I think

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Speaker 4: I know the Noah story and I'm excited to hear

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Speaker 4: more about those parallels in the next episode.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, so, say we all. What are these things

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Speaker 3: that are vaguely referred to over and over again, often

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Speaker 3: in contradictory terms, transforming over time, even in ancient eras

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Speaker 3: beep us here Dylan? What the were or are these entities?

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Speaker 3: Some folks believe they have the answers, depending on who

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Speaker 3: you ask. The news is very very good or very

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Speaker 3: very very Tune in for part two. Find us online

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Speaker 3: find such a tease, so, say we all. You could

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Speaker 3: on the internetswaretel.

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Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, Well I'll just tell you about that.

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