1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: List is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson show. 2 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 2: On your twenty four to seven home of the Black 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 2: and GOLDNR Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back. 4 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lollie. He is Matt Williams, and this is 5 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,959 Speaker 1: the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio. And we're going over 6 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: the ESPN Top ten rankings where Jeremy Fowler polled some 7 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: NFL executives and scouts about the best players, the top 8 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,639 Speaker 1: ten players at each position. And we've already done edge 9 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: rushers and defensive tackles. Now we're to off ball linebackers. 10 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: And I can say that the Steelers don't have an 11 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 1: off ball linebacker on this list. 12 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 2: No nor should they. And you know, no one from 13 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 2: last year that left is on this list, no one 14 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: that came in is on this list. And as an overview, 15 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 2: I was pretty blown away. Not to shock me, but 16 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: the defensive front edges and d tackles that we talked 17 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 2: about earlier, that position is just so loaded in the 18 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 2: league right now. 19 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: This one is not. 20 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean people remember this. I mean you 21 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 2: and I have been watching football for forty years or whatever, 22 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: and there always was a Lambert single. Terry Lewis you know, like, 23 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,479 Speaker 2: I'm sure I know who number one is here, but 24 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: it's not the imposing middle linebacker dick Butt gis figures 25 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: that it used to be. 26 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, and you know this this the looking 27 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: at this list of off ball linebackers kind of drives 28 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,199 Speaker 1: home the point that you and I have talked about 29 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: a lot that don't draft these guys high anyways. I know, 30 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: you take take chances on these you know, later rounds, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, 31 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: seventh round and try to develop one of these guys. 32 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: And you if you look at the list, that's where 33 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: most of these guys were at. 34 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 2: No, that's a good point too. I mean there's a 35 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: couple of hits that were high picks, of course, but 36 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 2: some of the guys the very tough. I'm sure we're 37 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 2: not the first rounders. 38 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:09,519 Speaker 1: So in they also receiving votes. Jeremiah Wosu Corromoa, I 39 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: don't know how he can put him in a top 40 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: ten at this point, hadn't done anything. 41 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,119 Speaker 2: No, I mean, he's another one that's had a hard 42 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 2: time staying on the field, and I loved them coming 43 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 2: out of Notre Dame. I mean, I'm excited about him, 44 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 2: but how do you put him on any top ten. 45 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. Jordan Brooks one of those first round guys. 46 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 2: He's flashed, but now he's got a major injury, and 47 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 2: they brought Wagner back and gonna bump him over. 48 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. Devondre Campbell with the Packers. 49 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 2: They paid for him, and they actually kind of got 50 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 2: something out of him, you know. I mean that he's 51 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 2: a huge ticket item, but he's been real solid for them. 52 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 2: One thing about these guys, I've noticed that the guys 53 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: with really good length, and Campbell's a good example here, 54 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 2: the long long arms with all the zones people play 55 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 2: and yeah, Max against tight ends goes a long way. 56 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 2: You know, tall, long limbed guys. It seems to be 57 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 2: in vogue. 58 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: Jerome Baker on this list. He'd better be on this list. 59 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: He's making fourteen million dollars a year. 60 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess I'm fine with also receiving votes, 61 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 2: which mean yeah, a vote. 62 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: And then Shaq Thompson. 63 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 2: Okay, I mean he's getting up in age a little 64 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 2: bit too, but he's a good player. Yeah. 65 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: The guys who made honorable mention, Bobby Wagner just an 66 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: honorable mention this year. 67 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 2: Wow. And the guy behind him, I mean these guys. 68 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,399 Speaker 1: Are Levante David just an honorable mention. Those guys are big, 69 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: those guys potential Hall of famers. 70 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 2: I think Wagner's definitely going, and yeah David yeah. Uh 71 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: for sadae a Loocon, Yeah, I mean I think he 72 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 2: had a ton of tackles which they might. 73 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: Be getting again subjective, Yeah right right. 74 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 2: Big physical guy, but they signed I mean, not that 75 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 2: this is his fault, but one year ago in free 76 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 2: agency they signed him, then used a late first round 77 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 2: pick on Devin Law and then used a third round 78 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: pick on another linebacker, you know, right, a little strange, you. 79 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: Know, Logan Wilson with the Bengals. 80 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he deserves that credit where I don't 81 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 2: think this next guy in the division. 82 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: I don't think this next guy does either. And that's 83 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: Patrick Queen again, Like here's a more flash than consistency. 84 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: And it wasn't until he became Robin that he really 85 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: started to play better. 86 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 2: And they didn't pick up a fifth year option. I mean, 87 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 2: they think about the guy so real quick. I mean, 88 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 2: I'm not giving the voters a hard time because I mean, 89 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 2: this is hot. Perception is important on these things, especially 90 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 2: if you're a guard. Or center or whatever hypothetical. Logan 91 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 2: Wilson goes to LSU and is a first round pick 92 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: of the Ravens. Patrick Queen goes to Wyoming and is 93 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 2: a fifth round pick of the Bengals. 94 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: Logan Wilson is a far better player. 95 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 2: Exactly. Wilson would have been fifth on this list last year. 96 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 2: And you know what I mean, like, yeah, right, they 97 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 2: allow to recognize them because of the background. 98 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: Correct, correct? I agree completely, which I mean brings us 99 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 1: to this first guy at number ten, highest ranking, number three, 100 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: lowest ranking, unranked, twenty six years old. Last year he 101 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: was unranked Dre Greenlaw. 102 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 2: He's not the best linebacker on his team, but I 103 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,679 Speaker 2: don't have a problem with him at ten, nor. 104 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: Do I again to say, it's the same kind of 105 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: the same argument. If he had been a bigger, you know, 106 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: a higher drafted guy, more people would know about it. 107 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 2: And what's crazy is I should remember his name and 108 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 2: it's a hyphenated three syllable name, but the linebacker of 109 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 2: the Niners had that signed with the Titans this year. 110 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 2: Yea is also tremendous, and like everyone, they played two linebackers. 111 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 2: That guy could harbadly see the field. You know, like 112 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 2: I don't know what I don't know what they're doing there, 113 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 2: but I would you kind of mentioned, don't use first 114 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 2: round picks on linebackers. Not only that, I would take that 115 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 2: a step further. Is whoever scout linebackers for the Niners. 116 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 2: I'd like to get No. 117 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Well, it doesn't hurt too that. I mean, 118 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: those guys are pretty freed up. They spent a lot 119 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: of high draft picks on defensive linemen, so these guys 120 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: are always covered up. 121 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they spend all their money on the Lion. 122 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Number nine, This one I have a problem with. 123 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: Highest ranking five, lowest ranking unranked. Last year he was unranked. 124 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: Thirty one year old CJ. 125 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 2: Moseley. Yeah, he had a little bit of a career 126 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 2: resurgence on a really good defense behind Quinnon Williams. But 127 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 2: I mean, for especially as much money as the Jets 128 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 2: gave him from Baltimore, he's done very little over the 129 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 2: last three years. I mean really, he's done very little. 130 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: He had one hundred and fifty eight tackles last year. Again, 131 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: tackles are subject. I can't say it enough that you know, yes, 132 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: is he active on the field, absolutely, but. 133 00:06:55,320 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, but he was more active four years ago. Right, Yeah, Wagner. 134 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: Can't be number nine. Yeah, he's not better than Bobby 135 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 1: Wagner or Levonte David for god's sake, Rogan Wilson, right right, right, 136 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,679 Speaker 1: I can't have him on that list. Somebody had him five. 137 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: Somebody had him five. Somebody that's nuts. 138 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 2: That's another one that's a brand name guy, you know. 139 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, number eight, highest ranking five, lowest ranking unranked. Last 140 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: year's ranking was unranked. He's twenty three. 141 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 2: Nick Bolton good example of this, you know, because really 142 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 2: like when he at Missouri going into his final year, 143 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 2: he's at the top of all the way too early 144 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 2: mock drafts right for productive and you know, great off 145 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 2: the field, smart, blah blah blah, has a really good year. 146 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 2: Then he doesn't test great, so he doesn't go in 147 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 2: the first round. He goes in the second. But draft 148 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 2: of the mind, you know what I mean. Right, he 149 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 2: showed the year after year in college that he's a 150 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 2: super productive, do it all team leader type and you 151 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 2: give him the second round. I think it was second round. 152 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: They actually took him before they took Creed Humphrey. 153 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 2: Okay, that's he was. 154 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: They had two second round picks that year, they took 155 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: Bolton and then they took Humphrey. 156 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 2: Wow, it's a nice pair of twenty twenty three year 157 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 2: olds to build around. 158 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, number seven, highest ranking, six, lowest ranking on rank. 159 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: Last year he was number one, Shack Leonard. 160 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 2: This feels like TJ. Watt from two segments ago. Correct, 161 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 2: Like he didn't do anything wrong to not be one anymore. 162 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 2: But I'm not sure you can put him at one, 163 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 2: you know, but he had a very injury filled year. 164 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: Actually, if you if you look at it, what played 165 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: more than Shack. Shack Leonard barely played football last year 166 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: and he's yeah right, you know he played three games 167 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: and that was surgery to repair two discs in his back. 168 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: That's a little scary. 169 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 2: That's not the end of the road. 170 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, m number six, highest ranking, two, lowest ranking, unranked. 171 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: He's thirty four years old. Last year he was number 172 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: six to Mario Davis. Now I love the Mario Davis. 173 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:13,959 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but. 174 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: Are you telling me who's better than Bobby Wagner or 175 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: or you know, Levante David. I mean, they're in that 176 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: same tier. They're declining players. But I'll take one of 177 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: the other. I mean to Mario Davis is fine. 178 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, but of the old guys, I'm not sure he's 179 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 2: the best old guy. 180 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:34,479 Speaker 1: Yeah. 181 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 2: I do think he's had a great career going back 182 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 2: to the Jets. One of the more under the radar stars. 183 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 2: Maybe it's a big word in the last ten years 184 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 2: or so. Really good blitzer, really good downhill player, not 185 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 2: as bad in coverage as you'd expect for a bigger, 186 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 2: older dude. But six might be a little rich at 187 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 2: this point. 188 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: Somebody had him two, right, I mean, come on. 189 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 2: Do they work for the Saints? 190 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: Perhaps maybe number five. This is the perfect example of 191 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: a guy who gets drafted high and everybody expects, well, 192 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: he's got to be great, right. Devin White highest ranking 193 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: number two. Lewis unranked. Last year's ranking, he was number four. 194 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: Devin White talent wise should be up here. Yeah, in 195 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: terms of what he's done on the football field overall, 196 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about Oh look at that splash play here, 197 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 1: that splash play there. Yeah, he's not the Again, I'll 198 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: take Leavonte David over him. 199 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 2: I want to say he's not the best linebacker on 200 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 2: his team. He had the easiest transition I think any 201 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 2: linebacker has had. That's been drafted high playing behind veya sue, 202 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 2: you know, some of those de tackles and next to 203 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 2: David and next to David to tell him where what 204 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 2: to do. But and again you're right. I mean he's 205 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 2: a super high pick. He ran a four to four 206 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 2: flat or whatever. He's a tremendous athlete. His measurables are special, 207 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:06,959 Speaker 2: and his highlight real tape is phenomenal, but his low 208 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 2: low light tape is the worst one of any When 209 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 2: we've mentioned. 210 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, running the wrong way, oh yeah, he's almost it's 211 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: almost to Davin Clowney. 212 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 2: Like right, right right. The good is great and it's rare, 213 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 2: but there's too much bad. 214 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: Number four and this guy's like a double all day long. 215 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: Highest ranking four, lowest ranking unranked. Last year he was 216 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: honorable mention Matt Milano. 217 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 2: Here's what I'll say about him is if he were 218 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 2: a Steeler, a lot of you guys would have his. 219 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: Jersey, you know, like like he is. 220 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean some of the Cam Hayward stuff 221 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 2: we mentioned about a glue player does it all dirty work. 222 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 2: And I know they're staggered in their contracts and age, 223 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 2: but they saw the Edmunds contract coming and they picked 224 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 2: Milano over Edmonds. 225 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I can't argue with no. 226 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 2: Right right right, he's extreme maybe their most important defensive player. 227 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: Their problem is is that Edmunds is much younger, right right. Defenses, 228 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 1: you know, their defense up the middle is getting old. 229 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know. But if you're the Bills and you 230 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 2: think this is your window, you sacrifice youth a little 231 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 2: for the better player, but you. 232 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: Better win now he stays on. He's one hundred percent 233 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: on the field all the time. He had three interceptions 234 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: and eleven pass deflections, no touchdowns allowed, sixty seven targets 235 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: last year. Again, there they're cornerbacks that don't do that. 236 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:36,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's phenomenal. 237 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: He also had twelve tackles for a loss. I could 238 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 1: make the argument that this guy should be higher. 239 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 2: He impacts the game in every way repeatedly. 240 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean just a good football player. Yeah he 241 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: is number three. 242 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 2: But of course it took a long time before the 243 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 2: world learned that he's a good football. 244 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: Player, right, number three, highest ranking two, lowest ranking nine. 245 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 1: Last year's ranking was number seven, which was probably putting 246 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: again that argument of oh well you went in the 247 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: first round. Tremaine Edmonds on no Planet is Tremaine Edmonds 248 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 1: a better player than Matt Milano? 249 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 2: No, right, and again you could see them the Bills 250 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 2: told us that. Yeah, I mean you watch them play 251 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 2: next to each other, you know, and sure they both 252 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 2: help each other out. But and I do think he's ascending, 253 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 2: you know, like, oh, you. 254 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 1: Know, two years from not, Tremaine Edmonds is going to 255 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: be a better player than Matt Milano. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, consistently. 256 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think he's a flash in the pan. 257 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 2: He came in the league unbelievably young, like Juju young, 258 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 2: and is now hitting a stride. I could see investing 259 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 2: the massive amounts that Chicago. 260 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: Yeah right, but I probably would have kept Rokwan Smith instead. Yeah. 261 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 2: He's probably coming up here in a minute. 262 00:13:55,880 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 1: Right, yeah right. Uh. Number two is Rokwan Smith, ranking two, lowest, 263 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: ranking four. He's one year older than Tremaine Evans, which 264 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: is why you you know, maybe do that deal and 265 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: keep him. Last year he was number five, you know. 266 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 2: Clearly two. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't say he's 267 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 2: Ray Lewis, but they got a pretty nice tradition at 268 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 2: linebackers in Baltimore. 269 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:18,719 Speaker 1: Two. 270 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 2: He's going to keep that alive. He's gonna be the 271 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 2: leader of the defense. The kalais Campbell's of those guys 272 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 2: are gone. He was really good for them after the trade, 273 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 2: but they. 274 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: Didn't keep They're not going to keep Patrick Queen unless 275 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: something happens here, so they moved on from him. They 276 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: gave up draft capital and paid him to get him. 277 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: Right a second, that's the questionable part of that whole equation, Like, 278 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: you know, you gave up, you gave up I think 279 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: it was a second round draft pick. 280 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and then you paid. 281 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: Him twenty million dollars a year. 282 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. And I think it's worth it because he's 283 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 2: the second best player at his position. And I wouldn't 284 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 2: argue that. But that's a lot, I mean it is. 285 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, And that brings us to number one, and that 286 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: how about this highest ranking number one, lowest ranking number three? 287 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: There you go last year's ranking, number three, twenty six 288 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: years old Fred Warner, who is Fred Warner at number three? 289 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: Else got number one votes? Yeah, it's a good point 290 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: I'm looking for. I don't want highest ranks. I don't 291 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: see anybody else that got a one vote. Maybe Bobby Wagner, 292 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: maybe one of those guys in the yeah, Bobby Wagner, 293 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: Levonte David. 294 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to I don't see. 295 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: Somebody that didn't finish in the top ten. 296 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 2: Right, Definitely, that's who got the one. 297 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: Unless somebody put you know, maybe Michaeh Parsons got yeah, 298 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: added into this group, right. 299 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 2: I guess that's possible because. 300 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: Otherwise I don't see nobody else got a one vote. 301 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 2: It has to be if it's not Parsons, which would 302 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 2: be kind of a glitch, right, Michaeh Parsons has I say, 303 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 2: had to be Wagner if it's not Parsons, but maybe Parsons, 304 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 2: And yeah, Jeremy couldn't tell a GM, Hey, you screwed. 305 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: Up, you know, right, you just asked you send them 306 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: the list and they put down what they put down 307 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: and maybe make a write a comment or whatever. He's 308 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: not he's not interviewing them all, calling them all up 309 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: and doing these lists and checking off the boxes right 310 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: right right? That would you wouldn't have time to do that. 311 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: So they probably did email these lists out and that's 312 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: that's what happened. But Warner's Warner's number one. 313 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 2: Warner's number one. I mean, if somebody puts Rokwan and 314 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 2: Mike ahead of them, and that's why we end up three. 315 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 2: All right, I guess I get it, but I think 316 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 2: he's as clear a one. It's just about any position 317 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 2: out there, you know, a very low argument. I mean, 318 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 2: Mahomes comes to mind. Who's the best player in the 319 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 2: league at their position. I really think everyone's just gonna 320 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 2: say Warner. I mean, especially for today's NFL, where he 321 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 2: doesn't have to take on block over and over and over. 322 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 2: They don't even care if he does as much. I mean, 323 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 2: the coverage is ridiculous, the range is ridiculous. Long Lean, 324 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 2: you know, but Lean isn't a negative anymore, you know. 325 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: Right right, And he was a third round draft pick. 326 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: He's kind of the poster boy for don't take these 327 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 1: guys high. Take a guy who has traits and see 328 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: you see if he can develop them. 329 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 2: And in the meantime they play special teams and you know, 330 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 2: it's not like some positions where you take a third 331 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 2: round quarterback and he sits around doing nothing. You know. 332 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's, folks, is what the Steelers are hoping with. 333 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: From Mark Robinson. Yeah, yeah, you know you takes you 334 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: take the guy in the seventh round he's not been 335 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: a linebacker very long, and you try to develop him 336 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: a little bit. Maybe by year three or four you 337 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: have something there as opposed to he using a high 338 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 1: draft pick on this guy. You know, you don't take 339 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: the defensive lineman. Now, all of a sudden, your defensive 340 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: line isn't as strong in front of this guy and 341 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 1: he's getting blocked all the time. Well, yeah, three hundred 342 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: pounds linemen are going to block two hundred and twenty 343 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: five pound linebackers. 344 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 2: And next year the same thing in the fourth round. 345 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: That's one of the scouting terms that drives me crazy. 346 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 1: When somebody talks about he can't get off blocks. There 347 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: aren't many. There aren't many guys who are two hundred 348 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: and twenty who are giving up seventy five pounds who 349 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 1: can get off a block when alignment matches on to them. 350 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: Those guys get paid too. 351 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I hear you, and I think the 352 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 2: league is wide. You've gotten wiser about that, Like, Okay, 353 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 2: you can't get off David de Castro's block who's unblocked 354 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 2: and comes right at him. But that doesn't happen as 355 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 2: much and if and the other thing is it was 356 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 2: like golden roll. Oh you can't slip blocks. You got 357 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 2: to take those on now, no one cares slip them. Yeah, 358 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 2: just run around them if you have to. 359 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, make the play. Did you make the play? 360 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 2: Yeah? Did you make the play? Did you change the 361 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 2: running backs? Course, you know, did you make the quarterback 362 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 2: it off a spot? Whatever, Just maybe you gave up 363 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 2: your gap to some degree or didn't take on the 364 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 2: block head on. But people don't care as much anymore. 365 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's the list of off ball linebackers. 366 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: And again it's not it's a list where a lot 367 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: of older guys what you don't really see on here. 368 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: I mean there's some guys who are twenty five. The 369 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: Tremaine Edmonds, Tine Edmonds, again, as you made mention of, 370 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: is an older twenty five. 371 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 2: He's finished his first contract. 372 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: I mean he was twenty when he came into the league. 373 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: These guys take. 374 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 2: Time, They take a lot of time. 375 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, because so much has asked them. I mean, you 376 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: got to play the run, You got to play the pass. 377 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: Offensive coordinators are going to run crossing patterns on you 378 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 1: left and right and then run a back out into 379 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: the flat, and that's your responsibilities. There's just so much 380 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: it's thrown at a linebacker and off the ball guy, 381 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: that it takes time to develop these these guys. 382 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 2: Oh one, You know that while you were talking, there 383 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 2: has pulled up draft history to see some of the 384 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 2: guys drafted recently. Like kway Walker was a first round 385 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 2: pick last year. He flashed but really not a successful 386 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 2: rookie year. Devin Lloyd started really hot and then really 387 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 2: fizzled down the stretch. You know, those two are both 388 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 2: first round picks last year and neither one sniffed this list, 389 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? 390 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: Yeah? 391 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 2: Right? You know some of the other guys drafted the 392 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 2: first round lately or Zaven Collins, Jamon Davis, you know 393 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 2: they're not on this list. You know it's off the 394 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 2: ball dudes, Isaiah, Isaiah Simmons, Kenneth Murray. You know, like 395 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,719 Speaker 2: those guys are all first round picks, and there are 396 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 2: some of them are now three years in the league 397 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 2: and they're not on this list even as honorable mentions. 398 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: Right again, I wouldn't take one. I just wouldn't do 399 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: it because you just find an athlete and try to 400 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: teach him to play the position, and. 401 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 2: If you're sort of weak there, which might be the 402 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 2: Steelers case. I can live with it if I have 403 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 2: a great front seven and above average secondary. 404 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they just they just have to be able 405 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: to either stop the run, play the back guy have. 406 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: They gotta have something that can hang their hat on, 407 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: and then the rest right and the rest of it 408 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: you'll figure out around them. So interesting corners, but there's 409 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: the hit rates just too low, I would imagine. Speaking 410 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 1: of corners and safeties, those will be the next two 411 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: coming out here. So we'll talk about those ones when 412 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: we return on Wednesday. But that's going to do it 413 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: for our show today. Matt, All right, good stuff here 414 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: going over those ESPN lists. I know Jeremy puts a 415 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 1: lot of time into that. Jeremy follower, of course, friend 416 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: of the show. We appreciate his good hard work on 417 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: that to give us something to talk about. 418 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, a little thing. But camp right around the corner. 419 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: Camp is right around the corner. I'm getting a little 420 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: vacation time in here, as Matt did last week, just 421 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: to get ready for camp. Clear my mind a little bit. 422 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: But that's going to do it for the show today. 423 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: So for my partner, Matt Williamson, I am Dale Lollie, 424 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: we thank you for listening to this edition of The 425 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: Drive on Steelers Nation Radio.