WEBVTT - Judit Polgar: Chess Grandmaster 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:08.680 It was very clear by age of fifteen sixteen, when 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:12.920 I was already a grandmaster, that I became the only 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:16.000 woman player in those tournaments where let's say there were 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:21.160 thirteen men adults and I was the only girl or woman. 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:24.560 Later on, but it meant that I had to have 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:28.480 the perseverance for that, to stand up always when something 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:31.280 went wrong or they beat me, to have that the 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:36.000 fighting spirit, to have the dedication, to have the passion 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:42.360 for the game. That was Judith Paulgar. She's been called 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:45.839 the greatest woman chess player of all time, but her 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:50.720 achievements go beyond gender lines. At age fifteen, she became 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:55.880 the youngest person ever to achieve grand master's status, younger 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:59.640 than Bobby Fisher was when he earned that title, and 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:03.279 she defeated many of the world's most renowned men players, 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:10.280 including Gary Kasparov and Boris Spassky. I'm aland Ververe and 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:14.119 this is Seneca's one women to hear. We are bringing 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:18.000 you one hundred of the world's most inspiring and history 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:22.720 making women. You need to hear. Judit Polgar, who is 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:26.160 forty five, has been excelling at chess for more than 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:29.640 four decades since she was a five year old in 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:34.959 a chess plank family in Hungary. Today, she coaches chess 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:39.480 and inspires the next generation of players through the Judith 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:45.640 Polgar Chess Foundation. Listen and learn why Judit Polgar is 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:51.880 one of Seneca's one hundred Women to Hear. I'm here 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:55.760 today with Judith Polgar, who is considered to be the 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:59.480 best woman chess player of all time. Jude, it is 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:01.760 a pleasure sure to have you with us. Thank you 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:04.360 very much, nice to be here. Really, you became a 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:09.240 grand master at age fifteen. You were ranked eighth in 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:12.960 the world male or female. You've beaten many of the 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:16.280 men who were world champions. What is that special thing 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:20.240 that makes you different that makes you a top chess player. 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:25.040 I believe that mainly the way I was raised and 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:29.640 my parents gave and supported me in many different ways 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:35.080 and and also inspired me to have a mindset that 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:37.880 I know that I can do it, and they always 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:40.440 said that I can do it. They try to give 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:45.320 the most possible opportunities to me, having the good trainers, 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:50.160 giving opportunity to play in the right tournament, and also 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:54.680 support me emotionally and in every way, so I'm able 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:58.640 to improve from day to days. So that's how I 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:01.960 think I could become really good in chess. Well, you 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:05.200 mentioned your parents, and I know that you began playing 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:09.399 in tournaments when you were just six years old. Tell 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:12.480 us how you got introduced to chess. Was it your 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:16.160 parents and what was your training? Like? Why were you 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:20.840 attracted to chess? Actually, for me, I had a paved 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:23.840 road ahead of me because I have two older sisters. 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:28.040 Susan who is the oldest, she's seven year older than me, 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:31.080 So when I started to play chess when I was five, 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:37.080 she had already very serious results, even internationally. So Sophia, 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:41.520 the middle one, she also played chess already, and when 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:44.360 I was a baby, already my parents knew that my 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.680 path is to become a chess champion, and they did 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:52.760 everything in order to to make me one. And so 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:55.040 it was very natural for me that I wanted to 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:58.960 follow my sisters and I started to play chess. Then 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:02.960 I started to have my first tournament, and very fast 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:07.240 they discovered that I'm talented and I'm growing very fast 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:11.560 in my chess knowledge, and somehow my character was also 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:15.840 very much suited for competitions. So this is how I 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:19.880 started to get to be involved with chess, and of 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:23.680 course when you have positive feedback from your parents, when 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:26.320 you go to a chess tournament with you win your game, 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:30.760 those are the best fuel to move on and to 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:34.480 be inspired again and again. And what was it about 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:38.839 chess your sisters? As you said, we're very engaged, But 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:42.000 what made it so compelling for you? I mean, after all, 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:45.080 you have to put in such long hours to become 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:48.680 a champion. I think I just started to love the 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:50.880 game very much, and it gave me a lot of 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:54.360 pleasure to not only to win the game and win 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:58.600 against adult men, but also what I enjoyed a lot 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:02.840 from the very beginning the creativity part of chess, which 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:08.239 means that to make combinations, to to create some unexpected 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:15.119 solutions and something very beautiful. And in chess we say 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:19.880 if you give up some pieces and then suddenly unexpectedly 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:23.520 win the game. So those kind of solutions are liked 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:27.640 very much. And also my playing style was very much 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:31.760 like that that. I was very aggressive. I wanted to 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:34.479 win the game as short as possible and give checkmate 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:39.560 to my opponent. And I really like those creative moments 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:43.680 and and combinations which I learned at home and then 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:46.520 later on I could apply it in tournament chess as well. 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:52.560 So interesting, Now, women and chess don't typically go together, 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:55.880 But when you were a child, you competed against boys. 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:59.840 You want, what sort of obstacles have you had to 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:02.679 face as a girl or as a woman in chess, 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:07.040 and how did you deal with those? Obviously, my sisters 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:10.279 were supporting me a lot, and they had already the 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:13.960 experience and they were sharing it with me and supporting 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:19.039 me how to do it differently. Let's say, well, of course, 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:22.120 when I was a kid, people did not really believe 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:26.400 that my knowledge is stable, and they said, okay, she's 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:31.440 just lucky here. Her opponent was sick, her opponent was 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:34.880 wasn't in good for so they were always excuses, or 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:39.159 many times there were excuses. And later on I also 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:43.080 experienced that I had to prove myself much more time 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:46.799 than as if I would have been a talented boy, 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:51.200 because this was normal. And then it was very clear 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:55.880 by age of fifteen sixteen, when I was already a grandmaster, 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:59.960 that I became the only woman player in those two 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:03.480 naments where I started to play those invitational tournaments where 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:07.120 let's say there were thirteen men adults and I was 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:13.240 the only girl or woman later on, and I mean 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:16.320 one of the nicest things they told me already much 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:20.720 later when an and world champion was asked what does 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.880 he think about Judith Bulger and then he didn't really 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:27.040 understand the question and reply that, well, she's one of us, 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:33.000 and so I worked hard for that that they acknowledged 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:37.120 my results and they really treated me like another very 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:41.320 strong grandmaster. But it meant that I I had to 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:44.920 have the perseverance for that to stand up always when 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:48.280 as something went wrong or they beat me, to have 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:52.600 that fighting spirit, to have that dedication, to have that 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:58.240 passion for the game. And I think also that my 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:03.320 character suited very much or competition. It also helped a lot. 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:07.320 She's one of us. That's high praise coming from a guy, 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:12.240 especially a world champion. By any chance, was that Gary 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:16.760 Kasparo who was speaking, He certainly was a world champion, 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:20.760 a grand master, one of the chess giants that you 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:25.520 have beaten. He was dismissive of you. I gather uh 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:28.240 and women players in general when you first came on 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:32.760 the scene. But what did you think of his comments then? 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:36.360 And how did you help him change his mind? Well, 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:40.840 you know, the to change people's mind is always something difficult, 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:46.080 but usually results eventually convinced them, and this was the 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:50.640 case for me also with my events and games with 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:55.280 kasparo As when he said those things. For example in 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:59.440 eight eight when he was asked after me and my 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:02.960 sister as with one gold medal for Hungary Hungary in 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:06.120 the ladies team those very few occasions when I played 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:09.599 in ladies competitions, he was asked from a journalist that 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:13.400 what does he think, how good can I become? I 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:16.600 was only twelve years old, and he said, well, he 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:19.640 believes that absolutely I am going to become a world champion. 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:22.760 And when the reporter asked him that what do you 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:26.520 think can you ever play with her? Then he said, 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:30.839 well I don't think so. I it's almost impossible. And 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:33.920 what happened was later on, when I was sixteen, I 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:37.160 played my first game against Kasparov and after that many 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:42.240 other occasions repeated it and he was beating me quite 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:44.800 a few times. But then the time came when I 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:48.640 made some draws. We had a very fighting draw. Also 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:52.040 I had an opportunity where it was very difficult for him, 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:55.559 so he was sweating a little bit, almost being scared 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:58.280 that he can lose the game, and then later on, 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:01.360 at one point I was also winning against him. So 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:04.120 it was very clear that little by little I could 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:08.040 improve my chest and I could also perform and show 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:11.320 it on the chessboard against him. And this is how 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:16.040 I gained respect with all the grandmasters. That's simply I 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:19.600 was playing better. I want again a game against them, 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:22.320 which meant that they had to experience it on their 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:25.440 own skin. What it what it is when they lose 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:28.559 against me? And then they started to change their attitude. 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:32.000 What was it like that first time when you beat Kasparov? 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:35.120 It was great? But I have to tell you that 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:39.480 already before I made in a huge tournament which was 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:43.320 considered the Vimbloden of chess in Linares a year ago, 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:48.080 I played two fantastic games against him, and I considered 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:51.200 those at least as important in my career as the 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:56.960 one which I wont Seneca's one hundred Women to hear 0:10:57.080 --> 0:11:09.360 will be back after the short break? Yeah, Now, as 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:13.720 you mentioned, mostly you played against men rather than other women. 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:18.840 What was your thinking behind that? Well, I'm I feel 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:21.920 very fortunate that my parents raised me this way, that 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:26.600 they were always focusing on the objective performance in the 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:30.640 sport and not limit my limit me and my sisters 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:35.720 that we can only become masters grandmasters between ladies. Because 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:40.000 the problem is that when you say that, for example, 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:42.640 too a little girl you save and there are six 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:46.040 that you can become a great world champion between women, 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:48.560 and you say the same thing for a boy that 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:52.480 you can become the world champion between men. The different 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:55.520 thing is that it's like in reality as if you 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:59.199 would say to a girl that you can have a PhD. 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:01.640 And you inspired the boy that you can be a 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:05.200 Nobel prize winner. So this is the huge difference. And 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:08.360 this is why I'm really grateful to my parents that 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:11.720 they were always believing in me that I should be 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:14.720 performing as good as possible and be the best I 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:20.600 can objectively in the sport, not talking the difference between 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:24.400 women and men chess. And I think this gave me 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:29.680 a great vision on life, on on in everything, how 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:33.880 I raise my kids, how I live my life, and 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:36.800 and and this I'm very very happy for that. This 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:40.840 is what my parents told me, and I for me, 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:44.120 this was the most natural thing that obviously, of course 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:46.880 I look at the sport not about the gender questions 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:52.120 are your children interested in chef. They were playing when 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:55.199 they were in kindergarten and in elementary school for a 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:58.360 second grade, but after that they gave up. They were 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:02.520 not interested anymore. To each his own, as we say, 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:05.360 they have to follow their own path. Why do you 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:09.360 think it is that there aren't very many women in chess? 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:13.840 What's holding women back? There are many reasons. I think 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:18.600 one is that society is not really supporting that. As 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:22.800 let's say, if a boy wants to become competitive in chess, 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:27.760 there are somehow more accepting that attitude from a boy 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:32.200 than from a girl life. But also generally teachers are 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:36.080 not supportive so much. Parents may be also not that supportive. 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:39.959 And actually there are many girls who play. Maybe it's 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:46.080 even fifty fifty until age ten eleven or so, and 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:50.360 only after that it becomes a huge dropout for girls. 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:55.280 And probably also because they start to to be more 0:13:55.360 --> 0:14:04.040 serious about their studies, they get matured earlier, and and 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:07.599 somehow they don't like this lifestyle and in society is 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:11.079 not supporting them at all, They are not encouraging them that, Wow, 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:14.400 this would be a great profession for you. Do you 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:17.920 think there's some connection between chess and the stem field 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:21.120 because you know, girls get so interested in math and 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:26.040 science and then so often along the way they drop up. Yeah, 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:28.760 it's interesting, why is that? But I think there are 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:31.360 going to be more and more girls in the STEM 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:35.520 field also, first of all, because it can be an 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:40.640 interesting way of having family and the work because you 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:43.360 can work from home much easier. I think in many 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:49.080 of those fields. Yes, hopefully changes coming forward. I know 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:53.200 that today you are focused on the international promotion of 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:57.840 the sport um that you've written books. The Judith Pulgar 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:02.600 Chess Foundation was established several years ago and you've got 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:06.360 the Chess Festival coming up. Tell us about it and 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:10.560 what's its mission and what makes this year so special? Yeah. 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:14.880 I established my Chess Foundation in two thousand twelve and 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:19.240 we are focusing on promoting chess and specifically chess in 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:24.359 education for kids. And we have the Global Chess Festival, 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:28.160 which is aiming to share the passion for chess with 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:31.280 the rest of the world. So we have the slogan 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:35.320 of Chess connects Us where we have a festival. This 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:38.320 year is going to be hybrid, which means that it's 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:41.160 going to be in the Hungarian National Gallery with the 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:45.960 different conferences on chess, on education, also about creativity and 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:50.600 innovation and connecting to science and chess. We're also going 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:56.080 to have some demo workshops how chess and math connect, 0:15:56.560 --> 0:16:02.040 how coding is connecting also with my educational program is 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:05.840 going to be shown to the big audience. And we're 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:09.400 going to be having also online activities apart from the 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:13.560 chess tournament for kids and for everybody else. For adults, 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:17.840 we're gonna have some interactive chess channel for the chess enthusiast, 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:21.720 but we're also going to have some very special artistic work, 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:27.280 for example, a musician who is actually creating chess music 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:32.880 in her songs. Now, when it's not um hybrid does 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:37.200 to take place in a single location, How does the 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:42.200 festival occur? Yeah, generally we have another thread of the festival, 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:45.040 which is that we have it in Budapest, but we 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:49.360 want to inspire from every little city, everybody who is 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:52.760 a little bit attached to chess. If they have organized 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:57.400 an event, whether it's a chess fashion show or a 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:01.840 chess film is projected, or whether it's chess tournament, chess 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:05.879 simultaneous exhibition, anything related to chess, if they send it 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:10.119 to us, we are uploading their information also on our website, 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:13.880 and we do hope that eventually within years we're going 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:17.320 to have this special day of second Saturday of each 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:21.320 October where the whole world, in the smallest cities played 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:24.960 chess or have chess related activities at the same time. 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:29.199 So exciting. Is there one book that you've written that 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:32.280 you would recommend to our listeners if they wanted to 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:36.960 get interested in chess. Well, I've been writing about my 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:40.800 life of more than three decades of of my career 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:46.000 with stories and chess games and puzzles. It's the Judith 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:51.440 paulgar Teaches Chess series. But this is already for for 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:55.320 those who play on a certain level like a club 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:59.600 player or so. My other book, which is for beginners 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:04.119 for kids, it's only in Hungarian. So this is what 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:08.200 I can offer for now. But I have also on 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:13.320 the courses on internet. Well, I regret that we're coming 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:16.040 to the end of our conversation, but I did want 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:20.080 to ask you before we close, what makes you optimistic 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:24.239 today about women's participation in chess. We're making progress, as 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:27.640 you've said, coming a long way from the days when 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:31.439 you were a little girl. But just how how do 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:35.760 you see the future for women in chess well, obviously 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:41.600 it has to improve, but it did already quite significantly. 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:46.359 Nowadays there are more events for ladies and the bigger 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:50.080 price funds, which also makes a difference. But still I 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:53.800 do hope that there are going to be more girls 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:58.199 and women later who feel that they want to be 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:01.639 really the best in the sports and the best they 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:05.560 can be, not only between ladies. And this is what 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:09.359 I'm working hard, and I like to motivate the girl 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:13.600 especially youngsters, that they should believe in themselves. They should 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:17.320 be having high expectations from themselves. But at the same time, 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:21.600 I think it's very important that their coaches and especially 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:27.760 their parents should be having great expectations and support their 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:31.439 daughters that they should become the best they can, so 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:35.320 don't limit them. That's a wonderful message to close on 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:38.760 and a great lesson no matter what the pursuit in 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:43.240 which one is engaged. Thank you for being the inspiration 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:47.879 that you are, for talking with us today, for making 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:52.080 this sport come alive, and for being the greatest female 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:56.320 chess player of all time. Judith Pulgar, thank you so much, 0:19:56.840 --> 0:20:04.879 Thank you very much. What a treat and an education 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:09.800 to talk to chess legend Judith Polgar. Here are three 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:15.760 things I took from that conversation. First, Judith Polgar offers 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:19.480 a recipe for success for children. It's a mix of 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:26.040 early encouragement, positive feedback, and using initial winds to build 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:32.440 the confidence that leads to many more winds. Second, Judith 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:35.560 says it's important to challenge girls to be the best 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:40.040 at whatever they do, not only to be the best 0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:47.560 among girls or among boys, but to be the best period. Finally, 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:51.680 if we want girls to attain the heights, we need 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:55.960 to set their expectations high. Yes, you can win a 0:20:56.000 --> 0:21:00.239 Nobel Prize. Yes you can be a chess grand man. Ester. 0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:06.040 When girls dream big and they have support, they can soar. 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:10.800 And if you think your child might be interested in chess, 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:17.440 or you yourself are, check out Judith Polgar's Global Chess Festival. 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:24.240 It starts on October nine. Visit Global Chess Festival dot 0:21:24.280 --> 0:21:28.680 com and tune in next week to hear about our 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:33.920 next featured woman and discover why she's one of Seneca's 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:40.280 one Women to Hear. Seneca's one hundred Women to Hear 0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:43.439 is a collaboration between the Seneca Women Podcast Network and 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:46.960 I Heart Radio with support from founding partner PNG. Have 0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:51.880 a great day.