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Speaker 1: It's very curious to me that it's coming out on

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Speaker 1: this day. Why wouldn't you have announced this January thirty,

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Speaker 1: it's before the players got the.

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Speaker 2: Camp that's hit the side Scoop with FT senior insider

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Speaker 2: Ken Rosenthalken. Good to see you. I'll start with a

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Speaker 2: signing that we didn't get to yet and we'll talk

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Speaker 2: about later. It's not the world's biggest, but it's one year,

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Speaker 2: five million dollars for Andrew heany to join the Pittsburgh Pirates.

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Speaker 2: They're still spending a little bit of money right now.

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Speaker 2: What was your thought on that signing and just any

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Speaker 2: overall thoughts on the Pirates, as we haven't talked about

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Speaker 1: Just looking at it from Heeney's perspective, obviously the money

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Speaker 1: is not where he would have wanted it to be.

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Speaker 1: I would think he would have wanted somewhere in the

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Speaker 1: ten million dollar range. He's a pretty accomplished picture in

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Speaker 1: his own way. He's not an ace, I get it,

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Speaker 1: but he is someone that you would have thought, in

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Speaker 1: might have done better. But what's interesting thing about this

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Speaker 1: to me is he gets to join a rotation that

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Speaker 1: Paul Skeens. So now you add he need to that,

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Speaker 1: and for the Pirates, that's a pretty formidable group. Now,

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Speaker 1: I still question their offense, their big offensive addition, Spencer

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Speaker 1: Horowitz has already heard. They didn't really do much else.

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Speaker 1: I don't like the way the team has run, and

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Speaker 1: we all talked about that for years now. But this

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Speaker 1: signing at that price should be pretty good for them.

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Speaker 3: Was this based on the fact that you can't find

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Speaker 3: a position player for five whatever point million dollars and

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Speaker 3: so they're like, well, it kind of looks good because

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Speaker 3: we're adding to our depth. Is that really the only

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Speaker 3: option or was it something that they were pursuing other

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Speaker 3: pictures and this is just the first one to offer

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Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure Eric how that has played out

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Speaker 1: There was a report by Robert Murray last night that

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Speaker 1: they originally pursued Jose Kintana. Now I don't expect Kantana

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Speaker 1: I don't expect Kyle Gibson, if he signs, will sign

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Speaker 1: for five million or anything like that. But maybe I'm wrong,

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Speaker 1: and maybe these guys ultimately will have to be forced

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Speaker 1: to settle for these lesser deals. But from the Pirates perspective,

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Speaker 1: I don't imagine Eric that it was We've got five

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Speaker 1: million and this picture will take it, so we can't

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Speaker 2: Player for that.

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Speaker 1: They are who they are, and they should have spent

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Speaker 1: more on position players period this offseason and did not.

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Speaker 3: All right, Ken, Mohen, was the last time you had

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Speaker 3: a beard? Uh?

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Speaker 3: Never? So you have been You have been the one

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Speaker 3: pushing the facial hair policy for the Yankees. We knew it.

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Speaker 3: We knew there was somebody behind every move in baseball,

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Speaker 3: and we didn't think this was you, Ken, But it

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Speaker 3: is you, the Yankees changing their facial hair policy. And

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Speaker 3: how and how kind of stuck his flag in the

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Speaker 3: midfield of of the Yankees' own field and said, I'm

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Speaker 3: ultimately the one that makes this decision. Do you know

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Speaker 3: any background of how long this decision was being mulled

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Speaker 3: over by the man the king?

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Speaker 4: How?

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Speaker 1: I don't, And it's very curious to me that it's

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Speaker 1: coming out on this day. Why wouldn't you have announced

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Speaker 1: this January thirtieth, before the players got to camp. But

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Speaker 1: this is what they're doing, and hal Steinbrenner said he

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Speaker 1: don't know that he would have gotten any different answer

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Speaker 1: if he had consulted with players and former players five

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Speaker 1: years ago, ten years ago, fifteen years ago, going back

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Speaker 1: to the days of Don Mattingly when he was fighting

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Speaker 1: with the Yankees over facial hair. It's been a ridiculous

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Speaker 1: policy for way too long. My only question is what

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Speaker 1: this whole thing from start to finish, This Yankee Pride stuff.

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Speaker 1: My friend Joel Sherman pointed out at one point, Well,

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Speaker 1: the Nike swoosh. They've also moved from one Yankee stadium

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Speaker 1: Yankee stadiums. This tradition stuff, why didn't have to include

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Speaker 3: Are you saying the Yankees' moral degradation is going downhill

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Speaker 3: because they've changed the stadium, they've changed the beard policy,

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Speaker 1: Hell, I don't know about that. Eric can't do that.

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Speaker 1: But this whole idea of this Yankee tradition, yeah, we

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Speaker 1: get it. The Yankees do have tradition. I don't know

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Speaker 1: that the tradition was perpetuated by the no facial hair policy,

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Speaker 1: but today and a merciful well, it met a merciful demise.

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Speaker 1: Put it that way.

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Speaker 5: Look at you man and your facial hair talk. I

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Speaker 5: doesn't like you anyway. I want to go to your

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Speaker 5: article you wrote about justin Verlander and Buster Posey explaining, Hey, listen,

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Speaker 5: you know I don't want you to be a mentor here.

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Speaker 5: You know I'm paraphrasing here. I want you. We want

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Speaker 5: and we want you to get back to being great.

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Speaker 5: Can you dive in a little bit more about that

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Speaker 5: conversation and what Buster Posey and Verlander we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I conducted a bunch of interviews for Fox earlier

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Speaker 1: those conversations, that's what Posey said to me. Hey, when

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Speaker 1: I went after this guy, it wasn't simply to be

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Speaker 1: believe he can be Justin Verlander. Maybe not to Justin

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Speaker 1: Verlander clearly believes that as well. And so far it's early,

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Speaker 3: Ken, Justin's gonna pitch until Kate says it's okay for

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Speaker 3: him to keep pitching. Okay, So that's how That's how

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Speaker 3: it will go for Justin, and if he wants to

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Speaker 3: the cities. Where were you, Ken when you saw the

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Speaker 3: first challenge of the ABS system and was it just

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Speaker 1: It was not, because I was writing the Verlander column

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Speaker 1: But it's going to be really interesting, Eric to see

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Speaker 2: Right, ken, I heard you call my name out yesterday

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Speaker 4: Implement it in the league now?

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Speaker 2: And you said no, it's got to go through a

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Speaker 4: I mean the point is, I'm like, why do we

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Speaker 2: Like, of course we could not do this, We need

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Speaker 2: I'm like, why, if it's awesome and everyone loves it

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Speaker 2: you know, Google Meet or a Zoom and.

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Speaker 4: Say, hey, guys, we all like this good?

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Speaker 2: why wait a year?

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Speaker 1: Because the CBA states that there's a competition committee that

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Speaker 1: It used to be a year, and it's changed in

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Speaker 2: I mean it's always obviously a battle about price. We

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Speaker 1: A Scott, from what I've heard, it's not even five.

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Speaker 1: That's not the number they're proposing to these guys. It's lower,

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Speaker 3: Ken Usually on this show, we're all business and then

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Speaker 3: AJ makes fun of you. So I want to ask

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Speaker 1: If you ask any writer this question, I believe, other

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Speaker 1: You're going all over the state. Now, there are central,

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Speaker 1: there are concentrated areas, yeah, but it's not as convenient

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Speaker 5: And then last question for me and everybody else, what

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Speaker 1: I would say it used to be Dodgertown back when

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Speaker 1: The Braves is beautiful, it's just kind of out of

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Speaker 2: You know, I like that they make a little Fenway

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Speaker 4: League park here, but cool, awesome. Well, there you go.

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Speaker 2: That was a nice, fun, easy segment there to finish. Ken,

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Speaker 2: thank you very much for the time. Good to see

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Speaker 2: you as always, and we'll talk to you next week.

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Speaker 1: Sounds good, guys, Thanks.

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Speaker 2: Bet, MGM futures, Ellie de la Cruze stolen bases So

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Speaker 4: I'm actually I'm actually a little caught up on this one.

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Speaker 2: It's my favorite player in baseball, but I'm like, is

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Speaker 4: Is a little bit higher. But Todd, father, you're the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, why not?

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