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Speaker 1: Black Effect podcast Network. Today, I am joined by Executive

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited being here. We've been talking about doing

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Speaker 1: because a victory for Tulsa is a victory for black people,

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Speaker 1: and I should say victory for Tulsa, PA. Thulsa was

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Speaker 1: not bombed Green Moves, a victory for Greenwood. Justice for

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Speaker 1: Greenwood is a victory for black people throughout this nation.

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Speaker 1: Plus it's a model that we can lose to move

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Speaker 1: forward to get victories all throughout this country. And we're

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Speaker 1: talking more about that. I want to be quiet. It's

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Speaker 1: your show. It's your show. This is all about you then,

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Speaker 1: and I'm glad you broke that down and what you're

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Speaker 1: getting ready, what are you're going into is about setting precedents.

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Speaker 1: What people don't understand that although one thing it may

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Speaker 1: seem like one of the oh nothing happened out of that,

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Speaker 1: but it's building blocks and everything. And and so I

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Speaker 1: want to recap a little bit because I talk a

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Speaker 1: lot about this on how there's a couple of different

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Speaker 1: every what's all of the things that go into justice

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Speaker 1: that people minimize protests, which is the noise that we make.

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Speaker 1: And even UM on June tenth, when you had the

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Speaker 1: events out there and people talking about just for Greenwood

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Speaker 1: and many protests behind it, if he say, oh, you're

447
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Speaker 1: just wasting your time. They do't understand it's layers to

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Speaker 1: this protests. Then you have and you talk of about

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Speaker 1: UM policy, you talked about the legislative side. Uh. To me,

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Speaker 1: that's the politics side where you went to the elected

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Speaker 1: officials and said we need to have a hearing on

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Speaker 1: this or that. People say, oh, that's the waste of time.

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Speaker 1: You ain't doing another again. Layers protests policy. Then there's

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Speaker 1: the paperwork and also the paper which means the attorneys

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Speaker 1: have to foul the actual paperwork like somebody got ahout emotion.

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Speaker 1: This is where people don't understand this. And then you,

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Speaker 1: like you said, sixteen eighteen hours of time through over years,

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Speaker 1: people don't understand you're still working on the house call case.

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Speaker 1: I told people on Live when I finally got out

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Speaker 1: of jail. Uh when they say, oh, when you just

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Speaker 1: I said, when when they were talking all attorneys just

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Speaker 1: ambulance chasing hold on. Most of the people that attorney

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Speaker 1: current represent are alive and well. And I don't see

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Speaker 1: y'all saying nothing. Why y're not saying about the house

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Speaker 1: called victims right now who are alive and well. That's

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Speaker 1: still Although we got the criminal side of the justice,

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Speaker 1: the punishment side, which is the fourth pillar that I

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Speaker 1: talked about punishment, we're still trying to it the punitive

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Speaker 1: side on the criminal on the on the civil side.

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Speaker 1: And I don't see y'all saying nothing about that. So

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Speaker 1: let's be clear that police brutality is a very small

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Speaker 1: portion and I'm just speaking on the attorney Croft five

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Speaker 1: percent of what he does the rest of these cases,

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Speaker 1: what people are alive, And well, why you're not screaming

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Speaker 1: about that. So then there's the four pillar of the

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Speaker 1: punishment part, the civil part, you know, the criminal side,

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Speaker 1: making sure somebody goes to jail, all of these components

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Speaker 1: that that that time real quickly on that making sure

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Speaker 1: people go to jail, which is something that we we

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Speaker 1: we focus on, but that's not our job, right right,

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Speaker 1: that's not our job, like as a lawyer, as a

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Speaker 1: civil lawyer, that's not my job to to prosecute criminal

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Speaker 1: I don't have power to do that. I'm actually taking time,

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Speaker 1: energy and resources because we do believe it for justice.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to highlight that that would ben on

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Speaker 1: myself or a lad married or Chris Steward or my

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Speaker 1: boyd J. Wonder Gordon. You know, when we're doing of

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Speaker 1: those things that we're fighting to get charges charged and

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Speaker 1: then showing up at court and being there with the

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Speaker 1: family and and and and advocating that we can that

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Speaker 1: is that's really not the job of the civil lord.

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Speaker 1: That's how obligation. That's based on the love of our

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Speaker 1: clients and the understanding that how the justice relations to

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Speaker 1: us the nationwide. We must have punishment as much as

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Speaker 1: we can to stop them harm. Like oh yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: where Ever, I'm like the hell out of it when

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Speaker 1: this come out, because the thing that people and that's

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Speaker 1: why the document is called civil explaining the people the

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Speaker 1: civil the difference between the civil and the criminal side.

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Speaker 1: Now after they watch this documentary, of course, to Marrio,

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Speaker 1: some people are gonna be dumb on purpose. They want

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Speaker 1: to be dumb. They want to continue to put this

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Speaker 1: misinformation out there. And I tell you know, turn it

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Speaker 1: comes to my brother. He keeps me around, not because

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Speaker 1: I agree with everything, keeps me around because I disagree

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Speaker 1: with a lot of things. So I do tell him,

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Speaker 1: you know that sometimes the lines get blurred and people

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Speaker 1: get confused when you're using the word just because to

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Speaker 1: the lazy person, justice means going to jail. To understand,

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Speaker 1: justice actually means civil side and all of that. So

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Speaker 1: I do like different people to play their role so

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Speaker 1: that the lines can be clear. You know. Let the

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Speaker 1: activists talk more about the criminal of the attorneys talking

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Speaker 1: about the civil. But what you're saying is is and

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Speaker 1: this is what I want people to really get to.

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Speaker 1: You actually would do more business if more black folks

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Speaker 1: get shot. Like, let's just be clear. And and I

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Speaker 1: want people to really get that. And I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: that in a way in a derogatory way, but I

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Speaker 1: want people to understand what you're saying, Oh, it's all

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Speaker 1: about the check for them. Well, there are hundreds of

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Speaker 1: attorneys billions of dollars that are settled every year on

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Speaker 1: police brutality cases that you never hear about at all.

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Speaker 1: So I would say that those attorneys are more interested

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Speaker 1: in just the check without bringing it to light, to

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Speaker 1: do damage to their city, to bring attention, to make

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Speaker 1: people have corrective action, more so than an attorney who's

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Speaker 1: bringing it to the light. I don't know if it's

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Speaker 1: the mind. They can't wrap their mind. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: like yesterday somebody told me, you go and find snows.

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Speaker 1: You're wasting your time to go and find news. Go

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Speaker 1: see and in with that smoke. First of all, I

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Speaker 1: go with the smoke everywhere. So let's first get that straight.

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Speaker 1: You say that is if where are exactly and yeah,

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Speaker 1: rack you guy am the smoke and the phone. But

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Speaker 1: it's it's weird how I said, you actually think me

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Speaker 1: going to talk to the opposition. That's what takes courage.

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Speaker 1: Anybody can go. Anybody can go to your own church

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Speaker 1: and talk to your own people and appreciate your But

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Speaker 1: when you go like what Jesus did, when you go

541
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Speaker 1: down and talk to the folks that that don't want

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Speaker 1: to hear, when you go talk to Lasry. It's not

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Speaker 1: that I'm trying to convince a racist to be on

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Speaker 1: my side. The only person and do that is Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: I'm showing up to let you know how. No homie,

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Speaker 1: I can come to your turn in your town and

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Speaker 1: talk that ship. Excuse my friends talk that ship to

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Speaker 1: you face to face. Anybody can do it across the way. No,

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Speaker 1: we show up on site. But the mond, the conditioning

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Speaker 1: of of thinking that, oh, it's the courage to go

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Speaker 1: on a safe space. No, it takes courage, like when

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Speaker 1: you're doing it to do it in a not safe

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Speaker 1: space in a conservative state, and you're not just challenging

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Speaker 1: Trump from a distance, You're challenging your governor right there.

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Speaker 1: Your d a right there, your people right there that

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Speaker 1: not only can derail your career, take money out of

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Speaker 1: your pocket, but putting you and your family at risk.

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Speaker 1: This is the part that people don't understand. So if

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Speaker 1: it's all about the check, then you would do it quietly.

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Speaker 1: You would do it silently. And I want people to

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Speaker 1: get that that all of the hollering has been going on,

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Speaker 1: at least in our generation, particularly since Trayvon Martin, there's

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Speaker 1: been a result. And I say this every chance I get,

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Speaker 1: and I'm glad they put that part in at them.

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Speaker 1: Two over two cities have did some type of police reform,

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Speaker 1: maybe not all what we would want, maybe not the it,

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Speaker 1: but there has been over two hundred cities that have

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Speaker 1: changed something on the books. And that has been from

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Speaker 1: a collective work that all of you have been a

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Speaker 1: part of over the years. So I'm glad you took

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Speaker 1: us all the way down that that that trail on

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Speaker 1: how long you've been working on this Greenwood case, so

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Speaker 1: that people can understand this is why Attorney's gonna take

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Speaker 1: this on. Who got time to foul motions and money

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Speaker 1: involved and not get a dime. So the nerve of anybody,

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Speaker 1: I tell people all time, would you work for forty

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Speaker 1: hours a week and say, but don't worry about it,

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Speaker 1: I may or may not get a check, and if

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Speaker 1: I do pay me three years later. You're literally fighting

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Speaker 1: for people that deserve a check while not earning the check,

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Speaker 1: taking a risk if you'll ever get a check for

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Speaker 1: a job that you went to school for, paid for,

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Speaker 1: you know, and and rarely ever see that return of investment.

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Speaker 1: So I'm I'm go ahead. No, no, no, no, it's

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Speaker 1: all facts. It's all facts. If I wanted to really

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Speaker 1: be a multime multimillionaire, have easy job, I could just

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Speaker 1: do a personal injury case. I can do anything. I could,

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Speaker 1: you know, as you know, I used to represent a

589
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Speaker 1: bunch of professional anthories. My background, I could just do that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this work that I'm doing here is my calling,

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Speaker 1: you know, lost my ministry, justice, my passion. This is

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Speaker 1: what I wake up thinking the arauth while I go

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Speaker 1: to sleep thinking about much of USTA. Granted, my beautiful

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Speaker 1: white media. But the fact is it is hard work.

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Speaker 1: It's difficult work, and it does take years and years

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Speaker 1: and years. I mean I have cases, as you know,

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Speaker 1: post calls may be going on since two thousand fifteen,

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Speaker 1: not seven years. The Terence Crutcher case, Terence Crutcher who

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Speaker 1: was shot with his hands up, shoting the back by

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Speaker 1: Betty Joe Shelby. That's been going on. Let me six

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Speaker 1: years in September. You know this, this is what it is.

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Speaker 1: I'm not complaining because this is what I signed up for.

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Speaker 1: It's what I love to do. Greenwood is a twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty plus year, you know, labor of love because this

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Speaker 1: is my community people, and I get to go and

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Speaker 1: have gree spade conversations with you and go across the

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Speaker 1: nation and spread alert about justice. It's very important people

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Speaker 1: to understand that and what we talked about it. And

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Speaker 1: I know you've heard us says meantime full justice in

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Speaker 1: include when particularly the police case, and you gotta get charges,

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Speaker 1: you gotta get somebody, You gotta get somebody arrested, and

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Speaker 1: they gotta get a prosecuted correctly. They gotta be sentenced

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Speaker 1: like say, punished man. Then you gotta do the civil

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Speaker 1: side of it. Get money, but not just the money.

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Speaker 1: Get some type of healing, some type of treatment, because

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Speaker 1: these families, and you spend as much time as I

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Speaker 1: do with families, it's real trauma it's real loss. And

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Speaker 1: so when people like you mentioned President Joe Biden, who

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Speaker 1: was last week talking about he wished he could go

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Speaker 1: back to having lunch with segregations you mentioned last week,

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Speaker 1: and he showed up and said, we're gonna do the

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Speaker 1: Joyce point that, and they don't get it done. You

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Speaker 1: mentioned because you know how devastating it is for families.

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Speaker 1: It's you know how devastating is when they have a loss.

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Speaker 1: They didn't ask to be in the spotlight. They didn't

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Speaker 1: ask to call themorial Solomon sent its a big propertest

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Speaker 1: and figure roll. That's not what they asked to do that,

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Speaker 1: but this is what they found themselves to be in

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Speaker 1: a situation. So then when politicians come in and said

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Speaker 1: we want to do this, we're don't do that, and

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Speaker 1: they don't make it happen, it creates more harm and

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Speaker 1: more destruction, and in those particular families and in our communities.

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Speaker 1: And that's why it's buffalo deal. It gets be so

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Speaker 1: piste off because every time we see a young white

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Speaker 1: boy or white wood go and slaughter our people and

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Speaker 1: they walk away in handcuffs with nothing, no scratch on them,

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Speaker 1: it causes us to have been more harm every time

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Speaker 1: we see the federal government not show up immediately and

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Speaker 1: protect us and pass legislation, bring in federal troops to

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00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: help us like they did during reconstruction, and put us

641
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: in greater harm. Every time they want us to sit

642
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: down and talk about unity while we'll be in destroy

643
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: they killed and shot and made and lynch. It puts

644
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: us in greater harm. Every time they want to talk about, ah,

645
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: it's all about guns, Oh, it's all about whatever, and

646
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: not talk about it's about the destruction and the hatred

647
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: of black people, it puts us in harm's way. Every

648
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: time you go up about justice for Greenwood and other massacres,

649
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: it puts us in harm way because it tells the

650
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: world black lives do not matter. Stop kneeling with can't

651
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: take calls, flowing past legislation, bringing us are it of

652
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: justice down, Open up investigations, put put people in jail.

653
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: Do what necessary. Stop talking about We don't know if

654
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: this case can move forward, if this case will be successful.

655
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: If I said that, I would never do anything that's

656
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: black attorney fighting here at Oklahoma and throughout this nation.

657
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: Am I gonna say, well, I can't bring this, you know,

658
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: damn Department of Justice, right, you know, say it's the

659
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: government and you can't do anything to stop these white

660
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: killing us, A naming us, going online and slandering us.

661
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: It's predicting, that's right. You pointed out something that's so

662
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: important that I am gonna replay this on my Live

663
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: on my I G because I want to make sure

664
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: this gets out to as many people as possible. But

665
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: I wanted it actually on my show, just like you said,

666
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,239
Speaker 1: if you can do it, that's what I said, if

667
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: if the Mario could do it, could figure out how

668
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: to give somebody two dollars. You mean, tell me the president?

669
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: And I said, I can't even take up a go

670
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: fund me for the for the three survivors at some point,

671
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: and Van was kind of speechless because it really is

672
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 1: just that damn simple. You said yourself. I found something.

673
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: I didn't know if it was gonna work, and it wasn't,

674
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: no President, it was nothing, but I found something. So

675
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: this idea and this brainwashing that people doing the media,

676
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: particularly pundits like myself that like to steer people in

677
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: the round the ray oh what, they can't do it

678
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: because it is they can't do it because of that.

679
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 1: I won't give a damn do whatever it is you

680
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: can until you can do better. On the show because

681
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: the show was actually little bit longer, and I think

682
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: they edited that part out, but I talked about how

683
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: Grandma she could do a whole lot with some beans.

684
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 1: One part of beans could last. Beanies and wayenies, beans

685
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 1: and corn bread, bean casserolled. She knew how to stretch

686
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: it out over a period of time to make it last.

687
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: So if you're not getting something done on the federal level,

688
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: then why not show where you can be involved on

689
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: the state level. You should be able to get Republicans

690
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: since they all about states rights, So why don't you

691
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: flift that and say, well, Okay, if we were able

692
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: to end qualify community in Colorado, let's see if we

693
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 1: can end it in Oklahoma. If we were able to

694
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 1: end qualify community in New York, let's see if we

695
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: can end it in New Jersey. If we were able

696
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: to end it there, how come we can't do it here.

697
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,959
Speaker 1: There should be a movement that says, okay, federal fine,

698
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: I'll get if you feel like you can't get nothing

699
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: done and you've got an excuse with the executive wards,

700
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: which is bullshit, by the way, but let's just pretend

701
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: that that's true. What about the state level. You got

702
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: everybody coalesced around to get you elected. When it's time

703
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: to get elected, y'all know how to pick up the

704
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: phone and call every governor and every city councilperson, and

705
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: every county council person and every elective position all the way,

706
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: state reps, state senators. I'm not talking on the US side.

707
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: You find a way, and I know because our work campaigns.

708
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: Y'all find a way to come and take a picture

709
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: with my city councilwoman and come in town and do

710
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: aut it. So why is it y'all can't find a

711
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: way to say, well, let's at least galvanize behind what

712
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: de Mario is doing. If you can't do it, then

713
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: galvanize other people around it to do it. Why are

714
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: y'all not using the bully pulpit to not only just

715
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: push for legislation, but even support This should have been

716
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: your story. Should have been a national damned story. If

717
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: I was a Democrat, which I'm not, by the way,

718
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: I would want a national story focused on what you

719
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 1: were able to accomplish, and if nothing else, try to

720
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: put five on it to say okay, I was a

721
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,919
Speaker 1: part of it, to at least claim something has been done.

722
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: So it makes me wonder if you're doing it on

723
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: purpose to keep us behind or you're just dumb. I

724
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: mean just really that simple, and I just have a

725
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: hard time believe. And they're done, Demorrio, because you got

726
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: the smartest people in the world in the room. So

727
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: why are you intentionally not wanting to be involved? He

728
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: came down to your city, Why not saying hey, de Mario,

729
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: how can we get behind you? And if nothing else,

730
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: let me open up the airwaves to you. Let me

731
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: call some folks so that people can albanai so did

732
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 1: you can say, hey, hey, President Biden can't get X

733
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: y Z done, but at least you know he has

734
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: been able to get folks around us, so we can

735
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: wrap our arms around the survivors. I don't know people

736
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: so be the time about reparations. I don't even know

737
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 1: if people realize there's three living survivors right now from

738
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: the Tausa massacre. I think that story has been missed

739
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: on people tomorrow, I really do. Would you agree that

740
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 1: with that? Absolutely? I agree, and I agree that you see,

741
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: the president can do so much more mean. Like you said,

742
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: he came here to Tulsa last year, he gave a

743
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: speech on Greenwood. But I want to see what he's

744
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:31,919
Speaker 1: doing for the people in Ukraine. You know, I wrote

745
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 1: the off bet about this that was policed in the

746
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: us N day back on March you Levin before I said, look, hey,

747
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: war's bad, right, Bob's been dropped on people. Nobody wants

748
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: to see that. But how is it that you can

749
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 1: five At that time it was only six billion dollars.

750
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: Now it's forty five billion dollars. But they're gonna send

751
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: on the Ukraine. They did it like that. They did

752
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: it in matter hours and everybody voted forward. How come

753
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: the president and other elected the leaguers didn't put for

754
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 1: a plan and a package specifically for Greenwood and our

755
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: three cently been survivor. You know why? Because they didn't

756
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: I want to do it. They did not. They nothing

757
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,919
Speaker 1: to stop step from doing it, Nellie. Dr Nellie Foller says,

758
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: until you understand why, Sprucy anything else want to contise you.

759
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 1: They didn't want to do it, period point blank. It's

760
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: nothing stopping there from doing it. It's nothing stopping them

761
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: from sign the executive orders. Then ay, as a federal

762
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: of police sports, we're not gonna use qualify the munit,

763
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,479
Speaker 1: you know, because I can. I can do that because

764
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: on the executives, so exacutive police FBI, we're not doing

765
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: But he hasn't done that. He hadn't utilize the power

766
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 1: that he could possibly utilize. And that's the problem I had.

767
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: It's a Democrat. This is why, this is the one

768
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: reason why I respect Republican. They do what they say

769
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: they're gonna do, and they use their power to get

770
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: their agenda cross. Now they evil, their racist and terrible

771
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: just just terrible Democrats, terrible too to a public as

772
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: a more termmate. But at least they take care of

773
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 1: their people respect. That's what policies is about, taking care

774
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: of If I if I'm racist and racist, hired me.

775
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: My job is to be racist. I don't understand what

776
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 1: people don't know, right, I mean, oh my god, they're

777
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: gonna get rid of role bass weight. They've been saying that,

778
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that for thirty years. They were because

779
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 1: because you're a lot of your base, that's right, everybody

780
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: on lot of their basis. And then they got the

781
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: dancy to say, oh, my god, they've been they've been

782
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: plotting and playing this with thirty years right now, you

783
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: wasn't planning and playing it, but thirty years too. That's aout.

784
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: It's here. Yeah, we have too much fun here because

785
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: it's it's it's, it's it's it's so blatant. When you

786
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: see how the Republicans move, how much McConnell moves, they look,

787
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. No, I'm not even gonna

788
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: give you a hearing. And and then the Democrats said, oh,

789
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: that's not right. You gotta get up, the president, the history,

790
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: the morals, man, get out there. This is about power.

791
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: This politics is about power. Politicis about who gets what

792
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: when we're in how what resources will be allocated to

793
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: who and when and how. That's what it's about. Republicans

794
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: understand that they get it. We want to stand power.

795
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 1: We understand that our numbers are shrinking. We don't give

796
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: a day. Do you know anything about South Africa? Do

797
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: you know anything about India? Do you know anything about China?

798
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: We don't care about being a statistical minority. We just

799
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: want the power we put in the systems and the

800
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: politics and the procedures to keep us in power. That's

801
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: what's going on right now. Democrats, just like nance represented

802
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: Naci Pelosi last week said, oh, we I just wish

803
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 1: the Republicans will go back. We need a strong Republican party.

804
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: Why no, we need a party of people that wants

805
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: to help the American folks. Give us health care, give

806
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: us education, give us access to the jobs, give us

807
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: access to a good standard of living. Who cared. If

808
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: it's a Republican, an independent, agreed party, the focus should

809
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: be about the people. But it's not, and it becomes

810
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,760
Speaker 1: the black people. They don't want us to have anything.

811
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: They will destroy this entire country instead of letting us

812
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 1: get one thing. How did that go back to my

813
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: three living survivors, my three living survivors having that received

814
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: anything from the federal government, has not received anything from

815
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: the state government, have not received anything from a local government.

816
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: My little organization, Justice for Greenwood, Don't just Freewood dot org.

817
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: I little organization gave us three levens three hundred thousand dollars.

818
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,439
Speaker 1: A little organization has kind of had fundraised and given

819
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: other community groups, like the churches that survived the massacre,

820
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: over fifty thousand dollars. A little organizations are helping what

821
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: we can do, but we are a followed one C

822
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: three organization that's really focused on justice and holding those

823
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: accountable and and property uh uh documenting the massacre. Our

824
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 1: real job was not to be raising money to give

825
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: to survivors and the sendates, but we saw the void

826
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: there so we wanted to do that. But the point

827
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: is the federal government could be doing so much more.

828
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: I do want to give a shout out to Congresswoman

829
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: shil Was Jackson Lee who came down and stood with

830
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: us at our hearing on May second and was there

831
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: to witness history. People like Congresswoman Congressman Hank Johnson and

832
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: Congressman Coins who actually did the hearing last year and

833
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: May that brought us out to congress congress Woman Maxine

834
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,439
Speaker 1: Waters and the CB congress Woman Joyce Baby, the CBC chair,

835
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 1: who had CBC members donate to Justice for Greenwood, a

836
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: significant amount of donations from my thirty members to the CBC.

837
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: So I want to make sure our kids they talk

838
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: about that though I don't know, but they did it.

839
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: They did it every I don't know why they don't

840
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: like rather than having people because I'm hard on the CBC.

841
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: I'm hard on our black elected officials, more so because

842
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: it was more as we should. But I just it

843
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: is there puzzles to me why they don't talk about

844
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: those things. I don't know if they think everybody just

845
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: knows that automatically, or if it's coming from this place

846
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: of or what difference will make. I don't need to

847
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: talk about it. I don't want to talk about like

848
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: why not talk about it? So they I don't know,

849
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: because they really came down and you know, everybody came

850
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: to talking to the master Centina, everybody had beer. But

851
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: I can say after the centennial, the CBC bought me

852
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: and I was the first speaker in person speaker since

853
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: the pandemics at the CBC's meeting back in July. And

854
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: they've been there. We call them, they've been there. I

855
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 1: also want to shout out my sister, our sister Angela Ry.

856
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: She has been phenomenal, phenomenal epus with Justice, with Greenwood,

857
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: Tiffany Cross, roll In, Martin, Karen Hunter. Uh, it's just

858
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: so many people that's been working with us. And that's

859
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: why I think this model that we've created where we

860
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: have substantial work being done on the ground, where we

861
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: have a community of folks, both locally and nationally, that

862
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: has a very specific goal line. Justice for Greenwood is

863
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: our goal. Making sure these three living survivents get justice

864
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 1: before they die is a specific goal. Rebuilding this community

865
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: is specific goal tasas you know, many times we were

866
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: too We were too ambiguous with our goal and we

867
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: had to get the right people on the team and understand,

868
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: like you said, everyone has a different role. Everyone doesn't

869
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 1: have to be out marching and be at the front

870
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: of the line. That's a role for that, that's important.

871
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: Everyone has to be in the courtroom, that's a oh

872
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: for that's important. I tell my team, my internal team,

873
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: my law team, and my foundation team all the time.

874
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: Start in your role, whatever it is that you're doing,

875
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: be the start in it because it's important. You want

876
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 1: to do what I'm doing, but what you're doing is important.

877
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 1: So if you were doing the if you're writing the blog,

878
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: if you edit in the podcast, if you making a

879
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: science for the for the rally, whatever, understand that old

880
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: things cannot work in the vacuum. They have to all

881
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: work together because our enemy is too well organized, too

882
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: well resource and to focus on their goals. For us

883
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: to think that these one officers gonna make a big,

884
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: big difference. And you know, there's a I don't want

885
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: to say this before we close, you know, I just

886
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,959
Speaker 1: there's so much significance. And thank you again for listening

887
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: all those people because they deserve their flowers. And again,

888
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: I wish they would do more to talk about what

889
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: they're doing. I know, I work with a lot of

890
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: folks that think, well, you know, people are gonna complain anyway. Dude,

891
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: damned if you do, Damn you don't, so there's no

892
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: point me saying it. But I really wish they would

893
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: say it. You know, I believe in receipts. Somebody, hey,

894
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: let's bring them receipts so we can see what they're done.

895
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: And I would love to highlight, you know, elected officials

896
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: that do the work I do do that, but I

897
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: don't know, rather than everybody talking about how they was

898
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: dancing down there on on June tenth that year, you know,

899
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: and Sheila Jackson Lee was one of them that was dancing.

900
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: It would have been great if she would have told

901
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: what she was actually doing, you know, partnering, and now

902
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: that has resulted in a victory. It's those types of

903
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: things that that are said online that some people uh

904
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 1: intentionally send out stuff to misinform, but some people tomorrow

905
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: really truly just don't know. And so I hope they

906
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: do better. And it's not bragging, it's not being you know,

907
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: uh voiceful, but it's just letting people know, you know, hey,

908
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: I'm doing this work. And so I hope that you know,

909
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 1: they will lift their voices more. Because out of all

910
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: the people that you name and folks you know, you name,

911
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: folks in the media, Tiffany, Angela Roland, all of that,

912
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's widely known like the work

913
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: that you've been doing, at least you know, across all

914
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 1: because everybody don't listen to them on on TV. Everybody

915
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: doesn't tune into their show. It's a whole another demographic

916
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: out there that see don't respect a lot of the

917
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: individuals that you name, but what absolutely support what it

918
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 1: is that you're doing. So I hope, you know, I'm

919
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: praying that more hope and pray and will work. And

920
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: I just hope and praying um that that this message

921
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: gets that more and and I try to do as

922
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,919
Speaker 1: much as I can. There's some significance in three which

923
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know you know three, it's not just

924
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: three just for a reason. Three is really a number

925
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: of significant father son, holy ghost, complete. It really does

926
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: mean resurrection. There's so much in three. Why did it

927
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: that God leave just three of them? Oh? I could

928
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: preach a word on just that alone. So those of

929
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: us that don't tap into that and tap into that understanding,

930
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: I I truly believe once you hear this message and

931
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: you still don't tap into what we're hearing from a

932
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: higher power on what we should be doing, not just

933
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: for them, but also for those that come behind them.

934
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: It could have been four, it could have been two.

935
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 1: It was three for a reason, and three is so

936
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: important that the trinity is everything that we need in

937
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: those three. So I just believe that the presidents that

938
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 1: you're setting, however, this case goes the work that you're doing.

939
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: You said it's been seven years, seven years on on

940
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: this particular litigation. The current litigation has been going on since.

941
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: But it's been a twenty five plus year work and

942
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: not gonna be To be really clear, when I said,

943
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: I'm standing time, I've been working on it. The people

944
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 1: agreeing with been fighting justice for a hundred plus years.

945
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: We fought when they attacked and invade our community. That's

946
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: some of them got put in the ground too. I

947
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 1: want to be very clear about that. Some of those

948
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: World War One Black veterans, they put some people down.

949
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: They just got simply overwhelmed. They were outnumbered and out

950
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: for gun but they fought. Then, starting on June second,

951
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: they started following a lawsuit. Can you imagine when you

952
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: start talking about going to the lines and then like

953
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: going on the Fox News, can you imagine having the

954
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:54,240
Speaker 1: audacity to file a lawsuit in the same court system

955
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: of the same people that just burned down your community.

956
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 1: But you just say, this is what this is the

957
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: system I'm in. They started the lawsuit. Is the great

958
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 1: BC Franklin, the father of Dr John Hope. Franklin, considered

959
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: America's history, was a lawyer. That's a very famous picture.

960
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: Maybe you could I sent it to you and put

961
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: it up. He's practicing law in a tent. His law

962
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: officer had been burnt down. He's practiced along in the

963
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: tent with a few books that he had left, and

964
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: he continued to fight. And they fought those things. And

965
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: so I'm just a continuation. I'm literally just standing on

966
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: the shoulders of my ancestors and continuing to fight. We

967
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: had a survivor named House Singer. He was a very

968
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: famous musician, moved away from American the sixties. Died in France.

969
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: He died two weeks before we saw all Our little

970
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: lawsuit got in August twenty We filed sept Hmber. First,

971
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: he was on hospice test, he was blind, he was

972
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: he was he had a stroke. He's about to die.

973
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: He lives in friends. I was calling, calling him, talking

974
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 1: to his wife, Arlette Singer, and I felt bad because

975
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: I felt like I was bothering him at this time

976
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 1: when he's about to die. And so I asked Arlotte

977
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 1: and I said, you know, should I stop calling you guys?

978
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm bothering you? And she had admonished me,

979
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: and I tell a story all our time. She said,

980
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: don't you ever say that. How is going to continue

981
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: to fight for him? What happened to his family and

982
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: his parents until he dies? He said, I'm gonna send

983
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: you something. She sent me a letter to how Singer

984
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: wrote in two thousand and seven to Johnny Cochran and

985
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: Professor Overtry, and remember what I said at the beginning.

986
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 1: We went through all those stages of lost, lost flaw laws.

987
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: He sends this letter and he says, look, I know, guys,

988
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: we've lost everything, and I know that America is never

989
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: going to be fed to black people. That's why I

990
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: left America. But I know one thing, as long as

991
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: we have breath, we must fight for our rights and

992
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: our dignity. We must fight for our rights and I dignity.

993
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: And that's what we're doing here. We're fighting for the

994
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 1: rights and the dignity of these three living survivors. We're

995
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: fighting for the rights and the dignity of all those

996
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: who have died without justice. We're fighting for the rights

997
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: and dignity of justice for Greenwood. Overall, we're fighting for

998
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: the rights and dignity of black people in this country

999
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: in the fighting since we were bought here on these shores,

1000
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: or where were they found us in this country. We

1001
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: will continue to fight regardless of what happens. We will

1002
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 1: continue to show up in the hospital and armies because

1003
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: this is what we must do in real life. As

1004
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: um the Internet can remember his name, but he always said,

1005
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: in real life, this is what we're doing. In real life.

1006
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: We're fighting for our rights and Nardini, we will never

1007
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: stop fighting for our rights and wow, it's so powerful

1008
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: that I guess we can end it with that before

1009
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: I get out of I know there was a point

1010
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: in time you were considering, uh running for office and

1011
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: and getting into the political space. Are you still because

1012
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 1: I just was moved, Like past the often played a

1013
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: donation or something. Do you think that's something you eventually

1014
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 1: look at again? You know it's a possibility. I would

1015
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: never run it out. I mean, I honestly, it's something

1016
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: that I've always thought about, but I just don't see

1017
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: a pathway here in Oklahoma where I am now and

1018
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: right now, my total focus, my total focus is justice

1019
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: for Greenwood, building up now only getting victory and the

1020
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: legal system, but continue to build our foundation. We are

1021
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: four tremendous programs. Number one is what we call our

1022
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: We are Greenwood or we are literally connected with the

1023
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: house singers and people from around the nation who our

1024
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: survirus and the descendants where we only have three thisturvivment,

1025
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: but descendants and putting them together doing a or history

1026
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: during a geneology. We have a very we have a

1027
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,879
Speaker 1: model that's gonna be used throughout the nation. I'm telling

1028
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: you this now, how we do our genealogy. We have

1029
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: two fantastic black geologies. We're working where we need to

1030
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: get a few more. We have our legal and advocacy policy,

1031
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: which we're talking about the legal litigation, our Black Wall

1032
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 1: Street Legacy Fund when we're raising money to get grants

1033
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 1: to descendants. And then our what we call our bc

1034
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: W Indition with our education and truth tell But we're

1035
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: telling the truth about the massacret we're telling the truth

1036
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: about how Greenwood was built. People gotta understand that it's

1037
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: not just about the destruction of Greenwood, it's about what

1038
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: allowed green Wood to be built, which is three things.

1039
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: There was landownership, it was freedom mind state, and it

1040
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: was wealth and education and economic concentration. Those are the

1041
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: thing three things we need today to rebuild Greenwood all

1042
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 1: over this nation. And it's important we understand that. And

1043
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: another component that Buffalo shows us, how do we protect ourselves?

1044
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: How do we protect ourselves because the bias that we

1045
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: see in Buffalo is gonna continue to come as this

1046
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: country continues to get upset about black people getting power.

1047
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: So to your question, I would love to see that

1048
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 1: in my future one day. I don't know how it's

1049
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: gonna happen, but right now it's just so focused on

1050
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: justice for Greenwood. Hope everyone that's listening gonna justice for Greenwood.

1051
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: Connect with us, Sign up part news letter, make a

1052
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: donation if you can do file dollars, do files, if

1053
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: you do five thousand to five thousands, because we are

1054
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 1: doing something that's tremendous. We're fighting for the rights of

1055
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: these three livers of virus and for our people throughout

1056
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 1: this nation. I'm gonna put you on the spot here,

1057
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: I hope. I don't know if you're available during this day,

1058
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: but I'm so glad we secured the building this week.

1059
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 1: Uh puff a k A d d A k A

1060
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Speaker 1: brother love a k A. Sean Combs, whoever you want

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00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: to call him. Uh, he has supported my vision him

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00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: and our Black Party. With my training that I've consistently done,

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00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 1: I've always done. People don't understan. I trained dozens of

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00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 1: people every single month with how to run for office,

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00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: how to be an operative, how to be an organizer, nonpartisan.

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00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: And I'm so excited because I wanted to do it

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00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: for three hundred Again, threes are very important. I started

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00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,439
Speaker 1: with three hundred volunteers. Three is Gideon's Army. We don't

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00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: need ten thousand, we need three hundred. Don't give me

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00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: start there. And and isn't it amazing that the building

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00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: that we found, guess how many it holds the capacity

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00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: three hundred and that's it more, no less. And so

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00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: we found that in Atlanta. UH I didn't want to

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00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: charge people to come because at first I was like,

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00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: it's easily a five dred dollar training in a thousand

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00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: ill training. Easy. You know, I've spent that amount to

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00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: go to political training all the time. But it was

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00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: really important that we were bringing that for me that

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00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to ask somebody for anything when

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00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: gas is five dollars a gallon and the people that

1081
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get involved may not have it or

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00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,280
Speaker 1: may not even have it at all. They appreciate the investment,

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00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: but that may not have it. So puff Um has

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00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: generously donated the fun for me to train three hundred folks.

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00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: UM cover their lunch the hall night. We may have

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00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: to put they may have to put five ten dollars

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00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,720
Speaker 1: towards the lunch. We're trying to still work out the budget.

1088
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: Because the building was so expensive in Atlanta. UM to

1089
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: be able to have three different rooms at the Cops Center,

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00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: a beautiful convention center. And so what we're doing is

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00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: I would like to have a hundred candidates, a hundred operatives,

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00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: a hundred organizers. It's nonpartisan and really giving people the

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00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: tools UM on how to not be a good Democrat,

1094
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 1: like I learned. I went to CBC training Political Bootcamp.

1095
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 1: It was great, but it still was how to be

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00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: a good Democrat. They say it's nonpartisan, but it really

1097
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: was how to be a good Democrat. I went to

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00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: p Triple c UH Progressive Caucus Elizabeth Warren. I was

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00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: a trainer there. Actually that was about learning how to

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00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: be a good Progressive. I've been to go run lead.

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00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: I've been to the White House Project, I've been the

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00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: Ruthless Emma's List, you name it. I've been a part

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00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: of those trainings, and I have yet to see one

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00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: that speaks to us um and and really teaches us

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00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: how to do things from a real grassroote way with

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00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: no connection. CBC is a great train um, but it

1107
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: is about connections. UH. Congress person has to at least

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00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: at that time. They may have changed it, but at

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00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: that time when I went in two thousand ten, a

1110
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: congress person had to send you Congress, remember Brown sent me.

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00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: So I really wanted this training to be truly nonpartisan,

1112
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: for real, for real, And I would love one of

1113
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: the areas on the one of the sessions that we

1114
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: want to teach us how do people organize around an

1115
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: issue and what you've created is an entire organization around

1116
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: the issue, a movement around the issue. Killer Micauld be

1117
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: opening for us as well, and I know, um he

1118
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: has used you know, the Greenwood name and the banking

1119
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: and all of that. And I love, love, love for

1120
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: you to to meet if you haven't already, um, but

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00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: I would love if you have time, you know, if

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00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: you're available on that day, September ten, I would love

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00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: to you to come teach the folks, uh be the

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00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: organizing you know, a session on how to build coalitions

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00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: around a movement, because we'll have campaign managers there that

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00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 1: teach people because we're just getting down to the roots

1127
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: and we're not talking about who how to be a

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00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: democratic pop We're talking about being black and how to

1129
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: gnize foul and compliance and paperwork and you know, making

1130
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: sure you hit your deadlines. And I'll be doing some

1131
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: sessions on overall ideology on how important it is to

1132
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: be black above all things. But we really need folks

1133
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 1: to come in and actually train And so the gold

1134
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: to Mario is my personal goals. Five thousand black boots

1135
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: on the ground between now and two thousand and twenty four.

1136
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: We are done with chasing them. We must replace them.

1137
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 1: I'm done talking to folks about what they should be doing.

1138
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: We have to just be doing it. And we have

1139
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: to put people in place, and people have to say, hey,

1140
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: like you said, it may not be a path in Oklahoma.

1141
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm too aggressive in Oklahoma, but you sure as

1142
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: hell can train somebody up how to do it in California.

1143
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: Are train somebody up how to do it in New York?

1144
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: And we have to have a database of folks that

1145
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: they can pull from on who can run these campaigns,

1146
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: who can run these issues, and really just gather our resources. So, um,

1147
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: I'll say this story before I get out of here,

1148
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: because I am I believe in numerology on a life

1149
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: path nine, which is the threes to three threes. And

1150
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: it's no coincidence that the first time that I was

1151
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: ever on stage taking serious as a pop politician was

1152
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 1: September two thousand. September two thousand twelve in South Carolina,

1153
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: which is the you can say, the mega for the

1154
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: black voters. And it was with the Guichi one Awards,

1155
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: and everybody said I was wasting my time with hip

1156
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: hop and politics. And it was September twenty three and

1157
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: lo and behold, this wasn't even playing. Who would have

1158
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: thought that ten years to the date, ten years to

1159
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: the day that now the hip hop whether you like

1160
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: Puff don't like Puff, bottom line is he is an

1161
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: icon in hip hop. So for him to get behind

1162
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: me and say tells them do what it is you

1163
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: need to do. And for all of those conversations that

1164
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: happen to fall where I could do the training in

1165
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 1: September on the tenth day any other Saturday, because look

1166
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: at the month, on the day, the day, the week

1167
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: after that is CBC, the week before that is UH

1168
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: a labor day. The only Saturday that it would have

1169
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: worked on. It was divine intervention that it landed on

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00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: the tenth day September ten, ten years to the day,

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00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: two thousand twenty. And so my same three volunteers that

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00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: I tell this story all the time, I started with

1173
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: three volunteers. They became my employees. They started working for

1174
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: me the first time ten people on October ten, two thousand,

1175
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: ten ten ten ten ten means completion as well. So

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00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: I believe in divine intervention because I didn't have elders

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00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: who have been in politics and elders who have been

1178
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: in the legal profession, and anybody in my family or

1179
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: any mentor any anybody that I went to college with

1180
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: or any I've just been getting this through the mud

1181
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: and been moving on my divine intervention and moving on

1182
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: discernment and when should I go in numbers is what

1183
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: guided me a lot. That's why asked how long has

1184
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: this been going on? Why is it three? Because that

1185
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: tells me how to move in my spirit. And so

1186
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,439
Speaker 1: I'm I'm so pleased about that. And if you have time,

1187
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 1: and again not putting you on the spot, but kind

1188
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: of putting you on the spot if you are available

1189
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: during that time, because I want somebody that has actually

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00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: built a coalition, and I was thinking about who can

1191
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: I bring that? Can you know, train folks up on that.

1192
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: I think the brother that just did what he did

1193
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: in Amazon too is powerful, you know as well? Yeah,

1194
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: so people can know how do you do that? And

1195
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: one thing they do tomorrow they get around these issues.

1196
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: Let's say somebody's running for office. They got five thousand

1197
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 1: people that they got to vote for them, but they

1198
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: didn't win. Well, how do you turn that into now

1199
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: a five one C three or a fiver one C

1200
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: four or five? How do you take those numbers and

1201
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: continue to build and and and that's what you've done,

1202
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: not think, I know that's what you've been able to

1203
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: do beautifully, and I would love, you know, for you

1204
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: to be a part of that if you have some

1205
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: time in your schedule, because they need to know how

1206
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 1: you did this, and that's we're not going to cover

1207
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: that just on this podcast. There's so much more uh

1208
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: to that that they can learn. Yeah, I'm first of

1209
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: all humble to be asked. I'm definitely interested. I'll just

1210
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: give my my my people and look at the calendar

1211
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: another come to Acount allowing you know me another take

1212
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: a trip to Allowa. So you know that's a sounds

1213
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: fantastic and um, yeah, that sounds great, So let's let's

1214
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: work out out out. We'll talk more about that offline. UM.

1215
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: I just wanted to put that out there because as

1216
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 1: I'm listening, I'm like, wow, that's a lot of work

1217
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: and people don't know like what you have to file

1218
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: and comply ins and you know, folks getting in trouble

1219
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: for not putting you know people are you know you're right?

1220
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: You know, get your board of directors? Is that just

1221
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: you know I had to put together a board. Like

1222
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: you said, you gotta get your texts, you gotta have

1223
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: your adits. You gotta do what you need to do.

1224
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: Because when you're in this space and you know this

1225
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: is very well testing, they are coming for you, okay,

1226
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 1: no questions, coming for me and any every direction they can.

1227
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: And so you've gotta protect yourself. You gotta have good

1228
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: people around you, and you gotta understand that it's not

1229
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 1: about you, it's about your team. It's not about me.

1230
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: My team allows me to be able to be on

1231
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: this call with you for an hour because I have

1232
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: a team that's working, who has a very clear objective,

1233
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: a mission, and then were able to be organized. And

1234
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 1: if you don't have a good team around you and

1235
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: give them good marching orders, you cannot be it can't

1236
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: be sustained. It seif we listen, it's been a hundred

1237
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 1: years trying to get justice. We gotta have a hundred

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01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: of year plan and that's what we're doing. That's it.

1239
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: That's it. Well, thank you for joining. There's so much

1240
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: more we could talk about. Attorney uh De Mario Solomon Simmons.

1241
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: This has been a very important conversation. Um. It will

1242
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: be available on the podcast, but I'm also going to

1243
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 1: chop this up and you know, roll out some stuff

1244
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: on Instagram because I know that was originally what we

1245
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: wanted to do and on i G Live, but I said,

1246
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: I want to get this content jail, y'all was in jail.

1247
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: I've been in jail. Hashtag free chance. They keep me

1248
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: in jail. But I wanted to get this like to me,

1249
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: one is on my podcast. It just lives there and

1250
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 1: I G just goes. You have to wait on people

1251
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 1: to find it in that type of stuff. So I

1252
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that we got some solid stuff,

1253
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: you know, on the record, because what you're doing is historic,

1254
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 1: and I want to be able to say I know

1255
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: him and I know the work that he did because

1256
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: I'm so very proud of you, and so that our next,

1257
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: our children, our children's children, can continue to work because

1258
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: this is an ongoing thing. It's never over. And I

1259
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: tell people that all the time. If you're exhausted now,

1260
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: then this ain't for you because this is ongoing till

1261
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: they lay your body down. Let us stop thinking that

1262
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna reach something. No, no, no, this is all about.

1263
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: This is a relay race. We're passing the baton and

1264
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you're gonna pass it

1265
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: or sit out and move out the way. But what

1266
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: I definitely need you to do is telling me how

1267
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: to do something from the stands. We need you on

1268
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 1: the ground, we need you running, and there's something you

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Speaker 1: can do. Pass the baton, hand me some water, support something,

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Speaker 1: do something passive town, cheer me on our shut up.

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Speaker 1: So that's just kind of where we are, where I'm

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Speaker 1: that's where I met with Oh, where everybody got an opinion,

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Speaker 1: Not from the stands. You don't. No NBA player turns

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Speaker 1: around and says, well, what do y'all think we should do? Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm only talking to the players, I'm only talking to

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Speaker 1: the referees. I'm only talking to the coach. I talk

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Speaker 1: to you if you're sitting on the bench. But what

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do is talk to you from the stands,

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Speaker 1: because your opinion is just simply not relevant, So thank

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Speaker 1: you so much. But no, no, that's it. That's it,

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Speaker 1: and will continue to inbox and seeing each other. Pet

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01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 1: don't understand the people in moving our constant communication about stuff,

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Speaker 1: sending information, sending emojis. I can't leave this this like

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Speaker 1: it's a customer. I told me and last time, I know,

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Speaker 1: we gotta get off. And I sent you last night.

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Speaker 1: I'm ast for me. It ain't no citizens pass me

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Speaker 1: the bow because I'm gonna say it, you know, because

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Speaker 1: I gotta go to court, so something I want. That's right,

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Speaker 1: that's right. People don't understand. We're not gonna hug ourself.

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Speaker 1: That's it. That's it. And that's what you don't understand.

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Speaker 1: It's rose in this and we can talk more about that.

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Speaker 1: When we was at the house called case, I just

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Speaker 1: say this where we go. But I remember when stuff

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Speaker 1: was going in a different direction. Bill was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: nowhere is I got it. I'm because you don't understand.

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Speaker 1: Everybody gotta do. It's just it's just a it's a

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Speaker 1: real strategy behind yeah, and I know exactly what you're

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Speaker 1: talking about. We had to get a reset, so yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because somebody gets and you know, I can't wait to

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Speaker 1: go to law school and finish. And I am because

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Speaker 1: the education is important. But I tell being all the time,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to practice because then who's gonna be

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Speaker 1: tell one because see that's right, see you, and that's

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Speaker 1: that's a great point. Yeah, you get the education because

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Speaker 1: I think it's the best education. You gotta do, really

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Speaker 1: believe that, right, But if you actually practice, then you

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01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 1: got you you you you're restricted. Can you have all

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Speaker 1: the bar rules? That's it. They can they can discipline me.

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Speaker 1: That's it. That's it, and that's that's it. And I

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Speaker 1: tell me, I say, I'll tell the time. No, somebody

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Speaker 1: got to do this because if I don't, if I

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Speaker 1: can't get to this Mike the way I like, because

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Speaker 1: I know y'all gonna say would need to be said.

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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna take it by timo steps. I'm an

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Speaker 1: avisual line step. I'm gonna go way over the line,

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Speaker 1: so they can't discipline me. So if I that's right,

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Speaker 1: and if I get so caught up in doing that,

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Speaker 1: then who's gonna do this? When I was on the

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Speaker 1: breakfast because it's like, oh man, we need you working

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Speaker 1: on the hairs campaign, I said no, I need to

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Speaker 1: be on the microphone. Everybody don't need to work on

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Speaker 1: the Hairs campaign, because if you work on the Hairs campaign,

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Speaker 1: a lot of these folks who was on c and

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Speaker 1: then before they was worry I'm gonna say no names.

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Speaker 1: But before they was working for these politicians, they was yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: But then the minute they start working for these politicians, well,

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Speaker 1: you do know that you can listen the whole tone change.

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Speaker 1: So that's right, that's right, that's right. So who's gonna

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Speaker 1: do my job? So unfort unfortunately for me, unfortunately for

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Speaker 1: the community. I don't have a big desire for fame

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Speaker 1: and money and all that. Cause I tell people, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't, and they, oh, we're getting the check. Who're

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Speaker 1: paying somebody to stand up for black people? Because I've

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Speaker 1: showed up on my check. Somebody owed me something for

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Speaker 1: show this job. Don't pay this job take away of anything.

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Speaker 1: The amount of money that I've walked through, like you said,

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Speaker 1: Michael Man practice, that's where the dollars is at twenty million,

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Speaker 1: ten million, thirty million, this police performance pennies compared to

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Speaker 1: I tell people, think about every hip hop commercial you

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Speaker 1: here in the afternoon drive is if you've been injured

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Speaker 1: an accident called the such and such smart lawyer, that's

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Speaker 1: where the money's in. This is the money ain't in this.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where that conclusion coming in. So but

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Speaker 1: don't wear We're gonna continue to keep clear the air

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Speaker 1: on that. But thank you again, because we're going on

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01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 1: and on like we just on and I got a

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Speaker 1: contract and you gotta go. This is our conversations go.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, brother, I love you, Thank you for all

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Speaker 1: of just sending my love to your wife and big

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Speaker 1: shout out to her for being a support to you. Again,

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Speaker 1: there's a whole team that goes behind this. Just remember

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Speaker 1: you the lawyer. She always said, you the lawyer. You

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Speaker 1: can't say that that's it. No, people gotta understand that.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to kill the mice wife, I said all

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Speaker 1: the time, Like shout out to the women behind these

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Speaker 1: men that just keep like keep balancing and again putting

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Speaker 1: yourself at risk. These Why I'll be with these Why

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Speaker 1: I tell kill Moody, I'm with your wife on this.

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Speaker 1: Well leave this one alone. Like it would be so

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01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 1: much easier to just for him to just do music.

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Speaker 1: It will be so much easy for you to do

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Speaker 1: something else that's people don't understand. So shout out to

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Speaker 1: the y to the virtuous women in the building that

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Speaker 1: just support you guys, and and and push you through.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure it's not easy. Many times gonna go

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Speaker 1: in a different direction because they love their husband's well.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why y'all don't understand that, So shout

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Speaker 1: out to your wife and everything that she does. And

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Speaker 1: I look forward to having you back and chopping this

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Speaker 1: up and trying to do whatever I can tomorrow. So

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Speaker 1: anytime there's a anything I can do, you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: just a phone call away that I can help. And

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Speaker 1: I really do think we need more support around these

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Speaker 1: three survivors. I really do wonder how many people really

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Speaker 1: like celebrities or whatever that they do to mobilize they

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01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 1: should be behind this too, Like I don't think everybody

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Speaker 1: really gets this like they should. So I'll continue to

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Speaker 1: do my part. But luckily you're not even for the

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01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: fame and just about the work. But I think your

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Speaker 1: story needs to be told for sure. I should appreciate.

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Speaker 1: All right, Honny, thank you so much. Everybody you've been

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Speaker 1: listening to straight shot no Chaser teslaent figure out I

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Speaker 1: always say you's the loser, can't make you choose peace.

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