Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.
Speaker 3: These are our stories, done done.
Speaker 2: Yay, that's messed up. An SVU podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Lee as a Trigger and I'm Kara Klank And
Speaker 1: every week it's SVU recaps, it's true crime deep dives,
Speaker 1: and it's interviews with fascinating guests. And we're on swapped
Speaker 1: coasts today. You're on the West and I'm on the East.
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean I'm coming off of a dream situation
Speaker 2: from Lahoya.
Speaker 4: Thanks everyone. That club is fun.
Speaker 2: It's a really fun club. They don't serve food. It's
Speaker 2: like awesome. People are just drinking and having some popcorn
Speaker 2: and it does and everyone's just rich and hot and
Speaker 2: tan and cool and athletic, so they're like ready to giggle.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Outside of the show's been great things for everyone that came. Obviously,
Speaker 2: thank you for my heated rivalry themed gifts obviously, and
Speaker 2: you know this week was they're back. They're back to
Speaker 2: working on season two. So to those who celebrate and
Speaker 2: to your family's congratulations, Okay, So this guy, Josh Ocean
Speaker 2: Thomas opened for me and he's from La Joya, like
Speaker 2: his family has lived there since nineteen fourteen. Whoa so,
Speaker 2: and his summer job was doing the kayak tours and
Speaker 2: he's a surfer and he goes to the beach every
Speaker 2: single day. His dad lives like a beach bum on
Speaker 2: the surf shacks. So anyways, I was in the caves.
Speaker 2: I was next to sea lions. It's pop season. I
Speaker 2: saw baby seals, I saw pelicans. I stood in the
Speaker 2: water as a leopard shark swam around us.
Speaker 4: I mean, I could not believe it.
Speaker 2: There was just like an alpha male sea lion floating
Speaker 2: next to a kayak. They call him Bruce, and like,
Speaker 2: I just could not believe it. I could not believe it.
Speaker 1: And then I was about to go did you see
Speaker 1: the sea lions? And then you went right into it.
Speaker 1: You really got up close and perstal.
Speaker 4: Oh my god. Yeah, So we were in the caves.
Speaker 2: They like go up on the rocks during high tide
Speaker 2: and kind of lounge there all day.
Speaker 4: So wait, are you bending their necks in a boat?
Speaker 4: Are you swimming? What are you? Where are you?
Speaker 2: So I'm in a kayak we were in a double kayak,
Speaker 2: but I got to go in the water for the
Speaker 2: sharks and in the caves. He let me like jump
Speaker 2: out to which you can't do on official tours. But
Speaker 2: like he's truly like shoeless, driving me around in a
Speaker 2: golf cart everywhere. Like we went to this cool fish market,
Speaker 2: El Pescador, I think it's called or Pesca whatever. It
Speaker 2: was so good I went back the next day alone,
Speaker 2: like it was delicious. Line out the door, we don't
Speaker 2: wait in line. Him and his dad, he's been coming
Speaker 2: there since he was a kid. Everywhere we went like someone.
Speaker 2: We went to this bar called The Shot. It's like
Speaker 2: I felt like I was in an episode of Laguna Beach.
Speaker 2: Like everyone was just like young fit and like I
Speaker 2: played pool. But the girl when I checked out, she goes,
Speaker 2: I'll give you the industry discounts, since you know Josh
Speaker 2: fifty percent off everything, Like everywhere we went, no lines,
Speaker 2: no nothing, He's driving me around in a golf cart.
Speaker 4: I mean, I couldn't believe it. I was like, bro,
Speaker 4: everyone's gonna want you to open.
Speaker 2: And then the last night he had, you know, plans
Speaker 2: with his own friends. He's like so much younger than me,
Speaker 2: but I was He's like, I'll give you one more
Speaker 2: scenic route on the golf cart before I drop you off.
Speaker 4: And I was like, thank you, that is what I want.
Speaker 2: And we went and it's like all the seals and
Speaker 2: sea lions sleep on shore because of sharks, and so
Speaker 2: I saw hundreds of them and hundreds of these like
Speaker 2: little birds sleeping straight up. But then like the sea
Speaker 2: lions hit the sidewalks and the walking paths because only
Speaker 2: one alpha male can like sleep there at a time.
Speaker 2: One had cones around him, so like We're walking on
Speaker 2: the sidewalk, and I'm like, am I imagining things? Are
Speaker 2: those sea lions up there? And they're just like lounging
Speaker 2: where they're Like I couldn't. I couldn't. I was truly crying.
Speaker 2: And then I also went to the Museum of Contemporary
Speaker 2: Art here, which Alicia Keys and Swiss Beats just purchased
Speaker 2: and like made you know, a huge and like it's
Speaker 2: like a lot bigger. But there Brooklyn. They did a
Speaker 2: show in Brooklyn called Giants and it's their personal collection
Speaker 2: and I happened to be here on the last day
Speaker 2: of the exhibit and it was a free day, like
Speaker 2: the second Sundays are free days. So I got to
Speaker 2: see the most incredible collection. I cried twice, bought a book,
Speaker 2: found new artists, like took amazing photos and it was
Speaker 2: just awesome. Yeah, Derek Adams my new favorite. And then
Speaker 2: this guy from Botswana. There was a Nina Chanelle Abne.
Speaker 2: Obviously Amy shared and like it was.
Speaker 4: It was nuts. It was nuts.
Speaker 2: It was really and you see the ocean like from
Speaker 2: the museum and so that's like really cool. I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's been so great. I would say, la Joia, amazing, Cleveland.
Speaker 2: You got a lot to live up to. So I'll
Speaker 2: be in Cleveland this weekend, so please step it up.
Speaker 2: I'll be there. Oh my god, I hope the woman
Speaker 2: the suit, Oh my god, I should DM them. Remember
Speaker 2: the fudge that we were gifted when we were in Cleveland.
Speaker 4: Oh my god. Yes, the candy there that was so long.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. It was Friedo's cover. They asked dark
Speaker 2: for milk. I'm glad we said milk and it was
Speaker 2: milk chocolate covered fucking Freedo's.
Speaker 4: They were so good.
Speaker 2: I have to DM them. I have to do it.
Speaker 2: There we go, Susan L. Chocolates here. Yes, I'm dming
Speaker 2: right now. You coming, Yeah, amazing, get in there.
Speaker 1: I saw Natasha Beddingfield and oh god, yes, it was
Speaker 1: so fun.
Speaker 4: Shout out to the listener. I ran into Abby.
Speaker 1: I saw a one Tommy at the golf course in Vermont,
Speaker 1: which was not expected, but it was really fun. I
Speaker 1: don't really have anything. I don't really have anything specific
Speaker 1: to report about it. It was just like fun. Everybody was
Speaker 1: living their millennial dreams with Natasha Beddingfield singing her hits.
Speaker 1: She opened with the song that she sings with Sean Kingston,
Speaker 1: which was an interesting choice because obviously Sean Kingston was
Speaker 1: not there. But it was really fun. I had a blast.
Speaker 1: And there's another concert happening like tomorrow. It's the Revivalists.
Speaker 4: I don't know them.
Speaker 1: I think they're like, are you like more folky? I
Speaker 1: might because my kids kind of like it. But Jared's
Speaker 1: a real stickler on the kids getting to bed on time,
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to be like fun summer mom and
Speaker 1: he's like not letting it happen, and it's really annoying.
Speaker 1: But then Rosie did yesterday feel really run down and
Speaker 1: had to take a nap. Which she never does, so
Speaker 1: maybe I am to blame for making her party too much.
Speaker 1: But their cousins are here right now with my sister
Speaker 1: in law, My parents are here, my sister's here with
Speaker 1: her husband. It's like a whole family affair here in
Speaker 1: Vermont right now. But then everybody leaves tomorrow going to
Speaker 1: Burlington for part of the day. I'm going to be
Speaker 1: in like Champlaine, and I'm so excited because it's so beautiful.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's beautiful. Yeah, And I was told about
Speaker 2: the ocean. There's only like one week in the summer
Speaker 2: where the ocean is warm and calm, and I happened.
Speaker 4: To be there in Laoya. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I swam in San Diego, the San Diego area
Speaker 1: one time where it was warm, but it was like
Speaker 1: the beach was like a bay, so it was kind
Speaker 1: of not like full ocean waves. Took my kids to
Speaker 1: Rhode Island a couple of weeks ago. Weekends ago, Rhode Islands.
Speaker 4: Did you do any Did you go to pizza Mama?
Speaker 1: And I wanted to, but I had my kids and
Speaker 1: I was like visiting my friend.
Speaker 4: It was a quick trip. It was like we got
Speaker 4: there late Friday and we left. On Sunday, we went
Speaker 4: to the zoo. They had a.
Speaker 1: Copy barra, huge, huge for as I would say right now,
Speaker 1: copy Barras with children are like you know how there
Speaker 1: is always like it used to be sloths, like around
Speaker 1: one Rosy was born, sloths were like everything. Then it
Speaker 1: became axe Lotel's because of my and.
Speaker 2: I would say unicorns, but those are maybe consistent and
Speaker 2: they're not real.
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, yeah, there was definite a unicorn moment.
Speaker 1: No unicorns are massive, obviously Oscar has a ton of
Speaker 1: unicorns stuff.
Speaker 2: But so they're still strong. Yes, there always are. I
Speaker 2: think you're right. I don't think they go away.
Speaker 1: But kapybaras are like there was some kapy bara shit
Speaker 1: at the book fair last year and it went like
Speaker 1: people were psychotic about the kopy barra. So to see one,
Speaker 1: I had never seen one, I thought we I thought
Speaker 1: I would have to go to like I don't know,
Speaker 1: I didn't know what zoos had them in the US.
Speaker 4: So we went to a cute zoo there.
Speaker 2: We still they're like the popular guys, like even alligators
Speaker 2: aren't eating them, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Yeay're just like chill. Everyone loves them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we saw that zoo in Rhode Island is cute,
Speaker 1: like it's like it's popping in the summer, because then
Speaker 1: I think they have to put a lot of the
Speaker 1: animals away in the winter. But so sad, you'll you'll
Speaker 1: love slash hate this. We got to go watch an
Speaker 1: elephant get bathed and it was so cute and it's
Speaker 1: so bonded to its owners. But then they were telling
Speaker 1: us that in two years, the elephants are going they're leaving.
Speaker 1: They're going to like an elephant preserve in Tennessee.
Speaker 4: Because elephants are super their.
Speaker 1: Packs like they're supposed to be in packs, and if
Speaker 1: there's only like three of them at a zoo and
Speaker 1: then one dies, it's like very sad and depressing for
Speaker 1: the elephants, and so they try to keep them in
Speaker 1: bigger packs at these reserves. And so my friend who's
Speaker 1: with us shout out to my friend Sarah who's come
Speaker 1: to thats messed up shows and like yelled things out
Speaker 1: because she like can't help herself and is like a heckler.
Speaker 1: She was like, are you like going to be able
Speaker 1: to visit them when they go to Tennessee? And the
Speaker 1: handlers were like, no, We're devastated, like no humans are
Speaker 1: allowed to go see them, Like they will have.
Speaker 4: New handlers there or whatever, but like no one is
Speaker 4: allowed there.
Speaker 1: They won't be open to the public, they won't be
Speaker 1: able to be seen by which we were like.
Speaker 4: Wondering, why can't they have a play day? Like what
Speaker 4: is up?
Speaker 1: I know, I'm like a kid, sir, you can't let
Speaker 1: them go see their old handlers that are like their
Speaker 1: best friends. Like I don't know, but I was really
Speaker 1: sad to hear that. And you could see the handler
Speaker 1: that told us was like devastated. She was so upset.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not happening for like a year or so,
Speaker 1: but ugh, it was so sad.
Speaker 4: I'm really pissed.
Speaker 1: I know I met the snobs whyds. Maybe it has
Speaker 1: to do something with like their psychology and like, don't
Speaker 1: remind them.
Speaker 4: I don't like they like being friends with people.
Speaker 1: Well, the other thing is is that these elephants come
Speaker 1: in every day and get washed in front of a
Speaker 1: crowd of people, and they do all their little commands and.
Speaker 4: They're so cute.
Speaker 1: They like lift up a foot, lift up the other foot,
Speaker 1: like they get little treats. And we were wondering because
Speaker 1: I was. I was with my friend and her girlfriend
Speaker 1: who works with animals in like a nature preserve and
Speaker 1: a nature center in Connecticut, and they were like, I wonder.
Speaker 1: She was saying, it's likely that the elephants are going
Speaker 1: to miss people like they're gonna miss like being around
Speaker 1: as many humans. If they're used to seeing so many
Speaker 1: humans all the time and doing their little bath show
Speaker 1: that they might be sad now that they're just kind
Speaker 1: of living elephant life.
Speaker 4: But I don't know, maybe they like that. Oh I
Speaker 4: don't know. I don't know how to I don't know.
Speaker 1: But we saw like there was a lot of great
Speaker 1: animals there that we saw a cheetah, we saw.
Speaker 4: A oh my god. I also had another animal encounter.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw on Insta, but my
Speaker 2: friend Marsha and I stopped into her bodega and there
Speaker 2: were two baby kittens, and so we sat down with
Speaker 2: some like non binary Bushwick people and the six of
Speaker 2: us just had the time of our lives.
Speaker 4: It was so cute with a couple of fresh kittens. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I love it. I know.
Speaker 2: The animals are just such a joy, Yeah, such a joy.
Speaker 2: When when is the countdown for you guys getting a pet.
Speaker 2: I mean it's rapidly approaching.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know I told them when they were
Speaker 1: eleven and nine and Rosie's seven, so it's.
Speaker 4: Like three or four years we're coming.
Speaker 2: It's not that close, but it feels close because we
Speaker 2: started this at seven years and it felt like yesterday
Speaker 2: we started saying in seven years, you can get a dog,
Speaker 2: and now we're at four, like and a half or
Speaker 2: three and a half.
Speaker 1: You know, we're getting close, So we'll see. But I'm
Speaker 1: we're staying with a dog right now. A little pug,
Speaker 1: so funny, and you know, I'm done. But I think
Speaker 1: Rosie is allergic to cats, so I think cats are
Speaker 1: going to be a no go, not that they were
Speaker 1: ever really on the.
Speaker 4: Market with a pug.
Speaker 1: Yeah, his name is Slash because he has like a
Speaker 1: slash mark on like a like a color of black
Speaker 1: on his tummy, so it's.
Speaker 4: Like what is I think his original owners called him Slash.
Speaker 1: But he's really funny and just you know, pugs just
Speaker 1: look like they're like having a nervous breakdown at all times.
Speaker 4: Like he's just so funny and my kids are obsessed
Speaker 4: with him.
Speaker 2: Wait what Yeah, what else was in the Rhode Island
Speaker 2: zo oh rand.
Speaker 1: Remember I originally started talking about Hode Island. It was
Speaker 1: to talk about the beach because the waves were kicking
Speaker 1: our asses. My kids were boogie boarding, we were in
Speaker 1: the water getting knocked over. Like the waves were pumpin'
Speaker 1: in Rhode Island. I wanted to do some Rory recon
Speaker 1: but I couldn't. But I love Alisha and I love
Speaker 1: a Kracka. But some people have been like, when are
Speaker 1: you guys going to weigh in on Rhode Island. I'm like,
Speaker 1: Lisa is not watching, and I'm only like, honestly, I'm
Speaker 1: not even to the reunion. But the zoo, oh wait,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of what is that other thing
Speaker 1: that is like a cheetah or a leopard, but it
Speaker 1: has like a different name. Oh my god, jaguar. No,
Speaker 1: it's like you only see it at a zoo. Oh god,
Speaker 1: like a Lynx. No, I want to say, like a
Speaker 1: cor Volt or something like that, but it's like not
Speaker 1: that anyway. That was panda red pandas. We saw a
Speaker 1: couple of red pandas so cute. Rosy's obsessed with those guys.
Speaker 1: The animal I was thinking of is a servile.
Speaker 4: I've never even heard of that. How do you spell
Speaker 4: V a L?
Speaker 1: And they're like they look like more like a house cat,
Speaker 1: but it is like a big wild cat.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a serval. But we saw. Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 4: It was great. Zebra cats a lot. There's really so
Speaker 4: many animal.
Speaker 1: Pe cox and pea hens just running around rampant. The
Speaker 1: food terrible. The food one star. Sorry Rhode Island zoo awful,
Speaker 1: but also that's a zoo. I'm not there for the food,
Speaker 1: but we did have to eat there.
Speaker 2: Oh but they but you can at least have like
Speaker 2: a pretzel. That's not bad, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like god, yeah, and like you know, everything costs a
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, but it's bad. But yeah, oh when the
Speaker 1: l path goes, you could put them and they were
Speaker 1: so soft. I do the l pacas are just so cute.
Speaker 1: They look like they're wearing mascara. I love them. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I have just we have just we're recording more this
Speaker 1: week and then next week I'm in family camp and
Speaker 1: then I'm back in LA and the summer adventure is over.
Speaker 4: But it's a really cool tradition.
Speaker 1: You've started kept doing it I hope we can keep
Speaker 1: doing it, you know, Like everyone's like asking me, like,
Speaker 1: is it so crazy to like travel and your kids
Speaker 1: don't have all their stuff and this and that, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, there's honestly something kind of like freeing about,
Speaker 1: like which I'm sure you understand because you leave your
Speaker 1: home all the time. There's something like freeing about, like
Speaker 1: leaving my home for a while, like I don't have
Speaker 1: to like deal with how stuff I don't have to
Speaker 1: like and it's sort of like doing something new, like
Speaker 1: and my kids are very resilient and we only we
Speaker 1: bring a few art things and they play with what's
Speaker 1: around and it's really not I really like it. I
Speaker 1: think it's fun to do a couple months out of
Speaker 1: the year and then go back to like, you know,
Speaker 1: routine and life. I'm not like Angelina Jolie or I'm
Speaker 1: going to be like putting them in a new school
Speaker 1: every month, But you know, is that what you did.
Speaker 1: There was like a time where her and Brad Pitt
Speaker 1: they were like in like I felt like those kids
Speaker 1: were traveling around and they were attending like six different schools,
Speaker 1: and I was like that can't be.
Speaker 4: This is all online stuff. So who knows.
Speaker 2: But it is like all these people homeschooling, they're just
Speaker 2: not teaching their kids how to read because they just
Speaker 2: thought it's something that just happens naturally.
Speaker 4: It's so hilarious.
Speaker 1: People that are just like it's like walking, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, which is kind of true, like you will
Speaker 1: walk like most people. I would say ninety nine percent
Speaker 1: of the population just walks eventually, but like reading does
Speaker 1: not work that way, but some people, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's just oh well, It's kind of like that Backcammon
Speaker 2: moment I had where it's like the masters let me
Speaker 2: chill and like then would help me after and the
Speaker 2: guy who played the worst of all of them kept
Speaker 2: talking and telling me what to do. And that's like
Speaker 2: how I feel with homeschooling, where it's like, why do
Speaker 2: these idiots think that there should be in charge of education.
Speaker 2: I'm watching this video and it's just a girl I
Speaker 2: being like yeah, and so it's like the history that
Speaker 2: we think is important for them to know and we
Speaker 2: get our worksheets and it's like you have no reverence
Speaker 2: for educators. I like don't understand. I don't understand. It
Speaker 2: is the movie Idiocracy, Like I get it. This isn't
Speaker 2: a new idea I'm talking about, but it is just crazy.
Speaker 4: People being like I got it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been seeing a couple of like stitched videos
Speaker 1: from people like roasting homeschoolers that are like, and this
Speaker 1: is kind of cool because I can kind of like
Speaker 1: make up the curriculum myself, Like that's why kind of
Speaker 1: like this work book. And it's like, why would you
Speaker 1: think you know how to make up a curriculum. It's like,
Speaker 1: why does Donald Trump think that he knows the vaccine schedule?
Speaker 1: There are people that have studied this for years and centuries.
Speaker 2: I'm actually terrified what's gonna happen with our food because
Speaker 2: like I think full disease in like a year and
Speaker 2: a half because now it's just the lettuces and the stuff.
Speaker 2: But like no one's working in science, like everything has
Speaker 2: been defunded. Like I am, I don't, I'm nervous.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, then today he talked about how he wants to
Speaker 1: break up these vaccines and change the schedule, and it's so,
Speaker 1: why does the President of the United States have anything
Speaker 1: to do with the vaccine schedule.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I just like don't, but we have sure
Speaker 2: he's invested in something and wants more. It's all money.
Speaker 2: It's oh yeah, ever he's funneling cash or his friend
Speaker 2: owns something.
Speaker 4: They had a meeting, you know. And the thing is
Speaker 4: is like, you know how like MMR.
Speaker 1: That's like that's like a big one that that crazy
Speaker 1: people think causes vac autism, because at the age that
Speaker 1: autism can start to show itself is the age around
Speaker 1: where you get that. It's like totally coincidental because you
Speaker 1: don't get MMR till you're one, and it's measles, momps
Speaker 1: and rebella. They want to separate them, which will do
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing. But when you make people come to more appointments,
Speaker 1: it's like that's more time off work. That's more like
Speaker 1: kids don't like shots and you're like putting it off
Speaker 1: and like it's just so crazy and it's gonna I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's just like I know, we always get
Speaker 1: into this, like the damage that this administration is doing
Speaker 1: is just going to take so long.
Speaker 4: To to undo.
Speaker 1: I'm just hoping we sweep midterms in the fall so
Speaker 1: he can't do any of this shit.
Speaker 4: But I don't know, it's really bad.
Speaker 1: Even my mom's is like the vaccine stuff is bad.
Speaker 2: Oh, so she's finally, oh yeah, maybe sees there's an
Speaker 2: issue with a man who can't read being in charge
Speaker 2: of the free world.
Speaker 4: She's been against that for a long time.
Speaker 1: Although my sister and her husband got here last night
Speaker 1: and I was out of the house for a second,
Speaker 1: and when I later that night, they were like, oh well.
Speaker 1: Immediately got into it about trans athletes with mom and dad,
Speaker 1: because who should know better to talk about that than
Speaker 1: a two people who had six children, none of whom
Speaker 1: participated in college athletics, none of whom were at all
Speaker 1: good at sports, Like weigh in, please, everyone needs to
Speaker 1: know what you guys think, and they have, And then
Speaker 1: my brother in lawstar at are kind of like, like,
Speaker 1: you know, arguing with her a little bit about it.
Speaker 4: My Mom's like, well I really don't know enough, and
Speaker 4: it's like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't. You're getting everything from one source. But
Speaker 1: I can't get into trans athletics. Now, should we start
Speaker 1: get going on today's episode?
Speaker 4: We should?
Speaker 2: I am looking at up my book that I'm reading
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I just want to read it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like, get me, get me my pages. It's good
Speaker 2: Pioneer Summer. This is my Soviet love story.
Speaker 1: I love reading, and I need to get back into
Speaker 1: where you are in this like addictive thing where like
Speaker 1: you love like I've been there before, like when I
Speaker 1: finished reading one book once I walked out the door
Speaker 1: and went to the bookstore to buy the sequel like
Speaker 1: I used to be. So but I got to get
Speaker 1: back into that mindset I am. I am reading, but
Speaker 1: not like this.
Speaker 2: So this book is I told you it was like
Speaker 2: banned in the Soviet Union because it's a gay love
Speaker 2: story and it's set in a summer camp in nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty six. God, Soviet culture just sucks, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. Communism's the worst. But I'm like enjoying it
Speaker 2: so much. But so I was reading it at a
Speaker 2: restaurant in Lo and the server goes, what is that?
Speaker 4: What are you reading?
Speaker 2: So I tell him I go, well, it's this you know,
Speaker 2: band book in Russia And he goes, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I loved band books and I go, well, no, it's
Speaker 2: like illegal there. They burn they burn the copies. It's
Speaker 2: like you go to jail if you're gay. And he goes, wow,
Speaker 2: sounds fun and walked away. And it's like, I don't
Speaker 2: even know how to feel about that interaction. But it
Speaker 2: just made me be like I love band books, and
Speaker 2: it's like, no, it's really fucking not good.
Speaker 1: Like I love band books. Is such a weird thing
Speaker 1: to say there are bad band books. I'm sure, like
Speaker 1: there are good band books and bad band books. We
Speaker 1: will be like I love all band.
Speaker 2: Books, and I go, you know, it's setting like a
Speaker 2: communist camp in eighty six. He's like, sounds fun, walked away.
Speaker 1: You got yourself a real there. I love it, I
Speaker 1: love band books.
Speaker 4: Whatever. I don't know. It just really made me.
Speaker 2: It made me laugh. I get his sentiment. It just
Speaker 2: made me laugh in the context of like Russia. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but it's so good.
Speaker 1: Pioneer Summer, Pioneer Summer, everybody.
Speaker 4: You do have to at least, like, I don't know
Speaker 4: if it'll be good.
Speaker 2: For everybody though, Like I wonder if I just feel
Speaker 2: extra connected to it because it is translated.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think you do have to just make a little
Speaker 1: video where you go through all your titles and then
Speaker 1: just say like ABC, B plus whatever because people are
Speaker 1: asking for your like your like your good reads, your
Speaker 1: list of books, and like, I don't think it exists.
Speaker 2: So just like, uh, because I don't want homework, That's
Speaker 2: what everyone wants out of me. This is what everyone
Speaker 2: does with anything I love in my life. Why don't
Speaker 2: you start an Etsy store? Because I don't want to?
Speaker 4: And that's what the video.
Speaker 2: Get a letterbox, get a good Reads. It's like, I
Speaker 2: don't want to be logging anything. Get out of my life.
Speaker 1: The homework part though, but a front facing video where
Speaker 1: you just go Pioneer Summer A plus this one be
Speaker 1: like you just give a list, you know.
Speaker 2: But then I skip one that it's anxiety. It's just
Speaker 2: like I just want to enjoy my life. And then
Speaker 2: what if I don't read for a few weeks? Then
Speaker 2: what it's like? I don't want to be fucking beholden
Speaker 2: to anybody about the things that I love doing. You
Speaker 2: know what I mean? I don't need to check in?
Speaker 2: Are you still doing a Russian? And I'm like I don't, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I am, get out of my life, like I don't
Speaker 2: want to sell anything. I don't want to Sigde Simpson's Instagram.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 2: Oh, I did watch a new movie though. I did
Speaker 2: watch a movie that probably none of you know about.
Speaker 2: It's called Dead of Winter. It was on Delta. It's
Speaker 2: Emma Thompson, Judy greerm and the reason I'm saying it.
Speaker 2: Who's Munchaka. Who's the guy we interviewed.
Speaker 1: Oh, Mark Machaka, he's in it. Dead of Winter twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five.
Speaker 4: Ooh.
Speaker 1: And it's got like an old and haggard looking Emma
Speaker 1: Emma Thompson on the cover.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you need to call her old weathered.
Speaker 1: She looks she looks like she's been battling the minneap
Speaker 1: the Minnesota winter.
Speaker 4: I think we would all look like this.
Speaker 2: It is freezing, there is murder. It is suspenseful and scary.
Speaker 2: And I enjoyed watching it on UH on the plane.
Speaker 1: Oh cool, all right, maybe I'll watch it on my
Speaker 1: Delta flight home in a week or so.
Speaker 4: Dead of Winter, everyone with Dead of Winter. Okay. It
Speaker 4: made me jealous. I want to be in movies like that.
Speaker 2: I just like the idea of like physical discomfort while working.
Speaker 2: I don't know, something like that. Because it's cold. They
Speaker 2: shot somewhere fucking cold, you could tell, says Minnesota Casey.
Speaker 2: Casey's living that Minnesota life.
Speaker 1: He's He's Casey, looks old and Haggard pretty much all
Speaker 1: days of the winter.
Speaker 4: Just kidding Casey.
Speaker 1: Casey appeared on our Patreon recently and people were like,
Speaker 1: that is not what I thought Casey looked like.
Speaker 4: It's really funny.
Speaker 1: But if you wanna see what Casey looks like, join
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Speaker 1: our merch all of that stuff. And if you are
Speaker 1: a teacher, it's August eighteenth. I'll be sharing wish lists
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Speaker 1: a spreadsheet that has all of the people who have
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Speaker 1: wish lists.
Speaker 4: Let's help some teachers get their classrooms filled, shall we?
Speaker 2: All right, let's get started, all right today we will
Speaker 2: be doing the episode week seasons episode nine, that's sixty nine,
Speaker 2: written by the.
Speaker 1: Current showrunner, written by two women, Tara Butters and Michelle Vesikis,
Speaker 1: who is the current showrunner.
Speaker 2: And yeah, amazing, amazing the air day November thirtieth, two
Speaker 2: thousand and four. This was a nice post Thanksgiving. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you and I would say one of the one of
Speaker 2: the classics. It would definitely be on a list. It
Speaker 2: would definitely be on a list if there was a list.
Speaker 1: I think yeah, I think so because one of the
Speaker 1: actors wins an Emmy for this, Yeah, and deservedly so.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, So it's four forty seven on a digital clock
Speaker 2: in the middle of the night. The curtains are billowing
Speaker 2: in the wind. The window is open, and then it's
Speaker 2: a slow pan across the room. We hear a woman
Speaker 2: breathing heavy, and then we hear knocks on the door
Speaker 2: and it is Olivia Benson outside, and then we see
Speaker 2: a woman who's obviously been attacked. She's crying up against
Speaker 2: the corner of the room, not doing well. Olivia says,
Speaker 2: you know, we're here to help you, and your landlord
Speaker 2: gave us the key, but we won't use it if
Speaker 2: you don't want us to. She's incredible at her job,
Speaker 2: and that gets her moving, but she has to crawl.
Speaker 2: So now this woman is crawling across the room to
Speaker 2: answer the door, and Benson is there. So after she
Speaker 2: opens it, Benson and Stabler enter and she says that
Speaker 2: she needs her chair. So she is a wheelchair person,
Speaker 2: and so Stabler gets the wheelchair, like picks her up
Speaker 2: and lifts her and like gets her in it. She's like,
Speaker 2: I'm fine, I'm fine, but obviously something horrific happened. And
Speaker 2: Benson's like, the nine one one operator said that, like,
Speaker 2: the man who attacked you left two hours ago, why
Speaker 2: did you wait to call? And she, of course says,
Speaker 2: like he told me to wait or he would come back.
Speaker 2: And when she heard the knocking, she was so scared
Speaker 2: that it was him and that it was some sort
Speaker 2: of test. So Stabler then says, you know, they always
Speaker 2: say they come back, but they never do.
Speaker 1: Why would he say that to her? You know, that's
Speaker 1: not yeah, babe, you could have called right away. You
Speaker 1: really could have, like, and they do come back sometimes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Like I don't know if the Jennifer Love
Speaker 2: Hewett episode happened yet like, what the fuck behave?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So Stableerry, Yeah, I just am mad at him. So
Speaker 2: then two uniform guys come in and go, you gotta
Speaker 2: listen to this. So then we play like a nine
Speaker 2: one one callum basically a report of a second sexual
Speaker 2: assault just four flights up, just happened.
Speaker 4: So now it's the credits.
Speaker 1: Wait really quick, did you know that the girl that
Speaker 1: plays this girl, this victim is Becky Newton and she's
Speaker 1: like a pretty big actor.
Speaker 4: I mean, she was on Ugly Betty for a long time.
Speaker 1: I didn't recognize her, and she is currently on The
Speaker 1: Lincoln Lawyer, which I don't watch, but it's still on.
Speaker 1: And then she's married to another guy who's been on SVU,
Speaker 1: whose name is Christopher Diamontopolis, and he is the guy
Speaker 1: that plays like the psycho billionaire in Silicon Valley. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of psycho billionaire in Silicon Valley, but
Speaker 1: the one that's like Russ Hanneman, he's like the he's
Speaker 1: so crazy. If you watch Silicon Valley, he was hilarious
Speaker 1: on that, And so I just I love a SVU
Speaker 1: power couple.
Speaker 4: Oh he's Canadian in way, but who is he in SBU.
Speaker 1: That's the thing I didn't know because I think he's
Speaker 1: done a more recent It was like season seventeen or something, and.
Speaker 2: He was in the Blood of Zeus. Oh, he's in
Speaker 2: the episode called no It All. Dude, he is working.
Speaker 2: I am scrolling down his IMDb. It is like tough
Speaker 2: to fuck him. Get in there.
Speaker 1: It's like the reputations of the squad, including Barbara, are
Speaker 1: put on the line when the suspect reveals he knows
Speaker 1: their intimate secrets and threatens to expose them if chargers
Speaker 1: against him aren't dropped.
Speaker 2: The secrets because where they break the rules to like
Speaker 2: get him, isn't it.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, he's in eighteen, Oh we should get him.
Speaker 4: He's like he should be.
Speaker 2: He's he's like I literally put his name in the
Speaker 2: guest like call him or like the featured co star.
Speaker 4: Yeah, stay tuned, guys. We're we're gonna try to We're gonna.
Speaker 2: Try to get him.
Speaker 4: He is hot.
Speaker 2: But there are a hot couple. I mean I knew
Speaker 2: she was someone famous because she's so pretty. So with that,
Speaker 2: so now there's a woman holding a baby. They just
Speaker 2: got back from the airport. Her and this baby, key
Speaker 2: and door and this guy grabbed her from behind and
Speaker 2: then pushed them inside, and he wouldn't let her turn
Speaker 2: on the lights.
Speaker 4: He was behind her the whole time.
Speaker 2: And then they do the classic back and forth cutting
Speaker 2: where both women are telling the story and pick up
Speaker 2: from each other. So then the wheelchair girl, she says
Speaker 2: that she woke up and he was just sitting at
Speaker 2: the edge of the bed, and she thought that she
Speaker 2: was dreaming, but then there was a hand over her mouth.
Speaker 4: She does not know how he got in.
Speaker 2: And then Judah, Cipher and Munch are looking at the
Speaker 2: lock and basically the lock is broken. It's cheap as fuck,
Speaker 2: it's shitty landlords like not good. I really love my apartment, okay,
Speaker 2: knock on wood. I mean I have the Manhattan protect
Speaker 2: her on my window. I have like a full metal day. Like,
Speaker 2: you cannot fucking get in there. Fucking try it. Please don't.
Speaker 2: So he rolled so he rolled her over onto the stomach.
Speaker 2: She never saw his face, but he smelled like cigarettes, stale,
Speaker 2: you know, like a bar. His smell was disgusting, and
Speaker 2: he made her tell him things. So then it's back
Speaker 2: to the mom. You know, he wanted to hear how
Speaker 2: good he was, how much. She liked it and she
Speaker 2: said it, and you know, she's like pissed that she
Speaker 2: even said it, but it felt like he needed it
Speaker 2: to like do it or whatever. But then he still
Speaker 2: he did not finish, and he got really angry, and
Speaker 2: then the baby started crying, so she just shut her
Speaker 2: eyes and then he was gone. So Finn is now
Speaker 2: on the fire escape stairs trying to see the exit,
Speaker 2: and they have to like print all the railings. Then
Speaker 2: there's a csu tech. I've never seen her in my life,
Speaker 2: but I love her and I love her vibe, and
Speaker 2: she finds a condom wrapper and she's like, hopefully there's
Speaker 2: some good prints, and then the other girl, the non mom,
Speaker 2: is like, fuck, he wore gloves, like I don't think
Speaker 2: you're going to find anything. And then Benson asks, when
Speaker 2: did he push the wheelchair out of your bedroom? And
Speaker 2: she said after he had to do one more thing
Speaker 2: to show how helpless I was. So then Benson sits
Speaker 2: down next to her and explains that they're going to
Speaker 2: catch this guy because of the info that she gave them,
Speaker 2: and that's not helpless. She pushes her to think of
Speaker 2: any more details, and she's like, listen, I don't know him,
Speaker 2: but I think he knows me because he kept saying
Speaker 2: that she wasn't as good as he imagined when he
Speaker 2: first saw her and thought that she was gonna be
Speaker 2: the one. So that are beautiful foursome we have like Munch,
Speaker 2: iced Tea, Stabler, Benson. They all walk out in the
Speaker 2: sun is fully up, so that means they did an
Speaker 2: all nighter on the sea and worked really hard, and
Speaker 2: the guy did two rapes in under an hour. Benson
Speaker 2: thinks that he stalked the first victim. The second one
Speaker 2: was just an opportunity, but he's on a binge right
Speaker 2: now and like, you know, because the first girl didn't
Speaker 2: live up to his expectations, so it's like another chance.
Speaker 2: And then Stabler's like, there is no perfect girl, you know,
Speaker 2: and Munch goes, well, he's gonna keep fucking trying until
Speaker 2: he finds one, Like we got to get him. So
Speaker 2: Finn is like, I'm gonna go back to the house
Speaker 2: and look at viscap and then uh oh, a unicop
Speaker 2: has news a woman is in the er who has
Speaker 2: attacked two blocks from this building and it could be
Speaker 2: the same guy. So they run to Saint Catherine's Hospital,
Speaker 2: this woman is beat the fuck up, and she's like,
Speaker 2: he didn't rape me. He fucking tried, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: He just grabbed her right off the sidewalk, pulled her
Speaker 2: into an alley. She screamed, and she got off work
Speaker 2: around for something. She works at Polly's tavern, and then
Speaker 2: she started popping him with her crutches. So another person
Speaker 2: that's like, you know, not at full capacity, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like there's a baby, there's a wheelchair,
Speaker 2: and now there's crutches. There's obviously a pattern. But because
Speaker 2: she fought back so hard that she he bashed her
Speaker 2: head into the wall, and then a man was standing
Speaker 2: over in her suit saying that an ambulance is on
Speaker 2: the way. There's blood on the wall, so hopefully they
Speaker 2: can get like information on this guy. She has crutches
Speaker 2: because of her knee surgery. And yeah, Benson's like, did
Speaker 2: you get a good look at him? She goes it
Speaker 2: was mostly from behind, but I could tell he was
Speaker 2: white and he smelled like an ash tray.
Speaker 4: So definitely the same person.
Speaker 2: So we're back at the house and Craigan doesn't get
Speaker 2: why he didn't rape the alley person. So Stabler guesses
Speaker 2: like maybe because she was knocked out, that's not interesting,
Speaker 2: or someone scared him off, like someone saw and he
Speaker 2: had to get running. So Benson says it must be
Speaker 2: a new rapist since he's going for women with weaknesses,
Speaker 2: but Craigan says three and one night, like that's a
Speaker 2: hell of a start, so something is setting him off.
Speaker 2: Finn says that there's unfortunately no DNA and no science
Speaker 2: evidence has hit yet. And if we think somebody scared
Speaker 2: him during the third victim, so like maybe we find
Speaker 2: that person, like maybe that person can help us, so
Speaker 2: much is gonna work on that. And then maybe Colleen,
Speaker 2: she's the first victim. It was being stalked. Maybe someone
Speaker 2: noticed something. So Benson and Stable are gonna work on that.
Speaker 2: Get her schedule and like go to all the places
Speaker 2: she goes. So we go to her nail salon. She
Speaker 2: comes in for manny petties once a week. Fancy, I
Speaker 2: feel manicure once a week makes sense, but petticures once
Speaker 2: every two weeks, Like I cannot believe she's doing it,
Speaker 2: but you know, good for her. Benson asks if someone
Speaker 2: was giving her too much attention lately, and she's like,
Speaker 2: well you know what's sad.
Speaker 4: Everybody stares at the.
Speaker 2: Girl in the wheelchair and they're like, okay, but any
Speaker 2: mail clients that day, like that's who we're really looking for.
Speaker 4: And she goes, oh, yeah, what a mess.
Speaker 2: She says about this guy like he was gross chewed up,
Speaker 2: like disgusting, dirty hands, and then she grabs Stable and goes,
Speaker 2: you bite your nails too, you fucking weirdo. So then
Speaker 2: you know, she goes white, average wearing sunglasses and then
Speaker 2: they go to the nail at Teck Annie. Annie seemed
Speaker 2: familiar to me, and it's because she's in a scene
Speaker 2: and one of my favorite movies young adults, so I
Speaker 2: clapped it right away. She's like in one of the
Speaker 2: early Minneapolis scenes with Charlie's throne and like she had
Speaker 2: you know, she works shows thirty three credits. She was
Speaker 2: in Like an Agent and The Beast in Me, and
Speaker 2: was in the movie Sorry Baby from last year.
Speaker 4: Her name is Hetty in Part Yes, and she was
Speaker 4: in Hannibal.
Speaker 1: She's one of the main characters in the early seasons
Speaker 1: at Hannibal, and we talked about how Hannibal is like
Speaker 1: the most unhinged show, like people get murdered in ways
Speaker 1: that are like so insane. This woman in the show,
Speaker 1: and like fast forward if you're like don't want to
Speaker 1: hear Hannibal spoilers or whatever. The way she finally gets murdered,
Speaker 1: and I think, I think it's by Hannibal, but it
Speaker 1: might be by like another murderer that they're trying to find.
Speaker 1: Her body is thin, sliced and then like put on
Speaker 1: display like she's in the Bodies exhibit, but it looks
Speaker 1: like almost like you accordioned out her body. Like it's
Speaker 1: like it's something you could not do to a human body,
Speaker 1: but they like do it on the show. It's that's
Speaker 1: what I think of when I see this woman.
Speaker 4: But she's in I tell this stuff.
Speaker 1: Should I watch Hannibal? It's so crazy? But I thought
Speaker 1: it was great and Barba's in it, and I think
Speaker 1: Matts Michelson is a really great actor. And then the
Speaker 1: guy who's married to Claar Danes, you Dancy, yeah, and
Speaker 1: you said she's in The Beast in Me, which I
Speaker 1: really want to watch because I heard it's really good.
Speaker 4: It's the it's c Yeah, but did you have to
Speaker 4: see her fault?
Speaker 2: Because because it was lucky because all her Faults and
Speaker 2: Beasts in Me came out at the same time.
Speaker 4: Yes, and I chose all her Faults, okay, and I did.
Speaker 2: Have time for both, and I loved them both, and yeah,
Speaker 2: I think, yeah.
Speaker 4: I liked it.
Speaker 1: I thought it was great. I loved all her Fault.
Speaker 1: I would love to watch bets to me. And then
Speaker 1: there's another one. I mean to watch Widow's Bay. Widow's Bay.
Speaker 2: Everybody's saying is so fucking good. I maybe we should
Speaker 2: watch it for the Patreon. Maybe I'll get AMC Plus
Speaker 2: or what is Apple? What's on Apple? We should watch
Speaker 2: widows Bay. Yeah, that's a good idea. I would do that.
Speaker 2: That would that would get me off, that would get us,
Speaker 2: that would us so well, I don't know if off
Speaker 2: your ass are up back on your ass, yeah, you'd
Speaker 2: be watching it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, well, you know what happened is like this summer,
Speaker 1: I just got back into I got into Rhode Island.
Speaker 1: I started just watching Rhode Island, and so whenever I
Speaker 1: had like a little bit of extra time, I was like,
Speaker 1: I just want to watch like mindless Rhode Island. And
Speaker 1: it's like fine, I don't think you like need to
Speaker 1: like run to your like Local U Bravo channel. But
Speaker 1: it's like there's one woman on it that cracks me up.
Speaker 1: Her name's Alicia, and there's like super cuts of her.
Speaker 1: She's like, she's like Teresa Judas, if Teresa Judas wasn't
Speaker 1: a bad person, Like she makes all these funny little
Speaker 1: like malapropisms or whatever, but she's not hateful and awful.
Speaker 2: So for my p Town recap if the who remember
Speaker 2: I forgot to mention, So like Lacy who does my
Speaker 2: color and cut like she does my hair, she goes
Speaker 2: to Pizzaown every summer. She has an apartment there, like
Speaker 2: she loves Peetown. So her, her sister Vanessa and then
Speaker 2: her wife Allison came and they came to my cottage
Speaker 2: and did my roots so I would have gray hair
Speaker 2: for Monaco. And they and so they drove. So they
Speaker 2: went to Pizza Mama. Oh god, yeah, yes.
Speaker 4: So they went to Pizza Mama.
Speaker 1: The woman I'm talking about, the woman that owns Pizza Mama,
Speaker 1: is really funny and she goes, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: love like she always says, I love a Cracker. She's
Speaker 1: got the most insane Rhode Island accent. I love Ara,
Speaker 1: I love a tequila. Oh my god, and then she
Speaker 1: goes Jane's Fonda. I love Jane's Fonda, like talking about
Speaker 1: Jane Fonda, like just why. At one point they try
Speaker 1: to get her to say ghosts with an S at
Speaker 1: the end of it, and she goes ghost and they
Speaker 1: go yeah but with an S and she goes ghost.
Speaker 1: Why can't I do it?
Speaker 4: It's oh my god.
Speaker 2: Molly Ringwold was unwatched what happens last and Andy asks her, like,
Speaker 2: is there a role you turned down that you regret?
Speaker 4: And she turned down ghost?
Speaker 2: Wait who Molly Ringwold, Wow that idea and she's chill.
Speaker 4: She's like, whatever, it wasn't meant to be into me.
Speaker 4: Did an amazing job.
Speaker 2: But then like and then Andy decided to really spin
Speaker 2: the knife and goes, I mean your whole trajectory of
Speaker 2: your career would have been different.
Speaker 4: Sure she knows that, yeah, that movie, but I.
Speaker 2: Mean Backgammon does have a lot of like life lessons,
Speaker 2: and one of them is just like you can't think
Speaker 2: like that, like if you pass or take the doubling cube,
Speaker 2: or this happens, or you move it one way or another,
Speaker 2: like there is chance and you can't really be like
Speaker 2: it might not have been the same if you did
Speaker 2: the thing, you know what I mean, Like maybe Friends
Speaker 2: wouldn't have been a hit if the casting was different
Speaker 2: or whatever. It is, like you maybe you just it's
Speaker 2: not a one for one. Yeah, and that's something I
Speaker 2: learned from backgammon. Okay, So anyways, where are we? Where
Speaker 2: are we?
Speaker 4: We love?
Speaker 2: Heady End, so heady End. She they show her the
Speaker 2: sketch and it's just like a UNI bomber. She's like,
Speaker 2: isn't that the unabomber? And so like he's in a
Speaker 2: hood in shades. So now we're back at home base.
Speaker 2: Everyone saw this guy, but nobody remembers him. So he's
Speaker 2: kind of like a nobody, you know. Mistress Cellophane Vibes, Chicago,
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: I had.
Speaker 2: I actually flew in a day before I was supposed to,
Speaker 2: Like I fucked up my schedule in my head, and
Speaker 2: so I had kind of like a free day and
Speaker 2: I just did a solo lunch in New York, a walk,
Speaker 2: went to the mystery bookshop, just kind of enjoyed my day.
Speaker 2: But there was a family I was gonna read in
Speaker 2: my book and I could not focus. There was a
Speaker 2: family trying to pick what Broadway show to go to?
Speaker 2: No less than an hour. The whole time, I was
Speaker 2: no less than an hour going back and forth Chicago,
Speaker 2: what about Jella Club?
Speaker 4: But it's this? What about that? What about this? I
Speaker 4: was going to.
Speaker 2: I kept wanting to get up and go just go
Speaker 2: see the Jellico ball is closing in a week.
Speaker 4: You can always see Chicago.
Speaker 2: But I was gonna be like, Mary is funny, Like
Speaker 2: I don't know, go see Titanic.
Speaker 4: They're like, is that just gay?
Speaker 2: This?
Speaker 4: Like I mean it? They would not stop.
Speaker 2: And then once I felt like they were down and
Speaker 2: whittled it down, Ragtime came into the conversation, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh my.
Speaker 1: God, oh my god, Like, wait, did I tell you what?
Speaker 1: I was that the lead of Ragtime at a party
Speaker 1: like on fourth of July? Oh was it Brian Saffie?
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's a separate party.
Speaker 2: No fourth like like Lisa a suburban New Jersey like
Speaker 2: kid party like And I met this guy and was
Speaker 2: like and then my friend goes, oh, yeah, he's the
Speaker 2: lead in Ragtime.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, you could have mentioned that. I
Speaker 1: could have talked Hi about it a little bit, but no, whatever,
Speaker 1: But no.
Speaker 2: I told someone else about the Whoopy monologue about car
Speaker 2: Young of being, like you did great, and did I
Speaker 2: tell you this?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I told you guys this, right, do you guys know
Speaker 2: not know? I saw the Whoopy monologues? No, Oh my god.
Speaker 2: So I went to the Woopy Monologues with Caleb and
Speaker 2: Amy Miller, and I had no idea what it was.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, Kerry Washington comes out Dominique fish
Speaker 2: Back like it's just like a Who's who of you
Speaker 2: know actresses incredible, and it's like a remake of the Whoopee,
Speaker 2: Like this is what broke Whoopee. I guess she like
Speaker 2: wrote these monologues and it's different characters and Whoopy played
Speaker 2: them all right, but in this version, like different women
Speaker 2: play it. I knew nothing. I got an invite. I
Speaker 2: do whatever Caleb tells me. It's kind of like part
Speaker 2: of my life. If he says be somewhere, I go,
Speaker 2: and so he runs off because and so it's just
Speaker 2: me and Amy. We decide to go to PJ.
Speaker 4: Clark's.
Speaker 2: So I'm sitting in PJ Clarks. We're like eating it's
Speaker 2: not even that good, but whatever. So we're having like
Speaker 2: we're catching up, we're having a good time. My favorite
Speaker 2: actress from the show walks in and so Amy stops
Speaker 2: her because I'm sitting facing Amy, and I go, oh
Speaker 2: my god, I'm like, you were incredible.
Speaker 4: You were so good.
Speaker 2: And then Amy tells her like you were her favorite
Speaker 2: we were just talking about and I'm like, no, we
Speaker 2: don't say that, but I was like, you were amazing.
Speaker 2: She recognizes me this actress. She goes, I'm obsessed with
Speaker 2: you ding, So we like, I'm like, can I find
Speaker 2: you on Instagram? And like you're incredible? And I see
Speaker 2: she's in the movie as god Is, so I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: so she's like probably like a huge deal whatever. So
Speaker 2: like I can't believe she knows me, I know her whatever.
Speaker 2: So then I'm talking to Jake and Andy when I'm
Speaker 2: in Pete Town and Andy's a Broadway sorry was like
Speaker 2: in Spring Awake, and like he you know, he works
Speaker 2: all the time, so he and he's in TV and
Speaker 2: film whatever. So I'm talking about this person and he goes,
Speaker 2: Kara Young and I go yeah, and he goes, she
Speaker 2: has three Tonys. She's nominated every year and she's the
Speaker 2: most incredible actress in New York.
Speaker 4: City and I go, I go because I DMed.
Speaker 2: Her like keep at it, kid, Not really, but I
Speaker 2: was just like talking to her, like I'm truly blown
Speaker 2: away by you.
Speaker 4: That was like such an incredible performance.
Speaker 2: One of the most winning actresses won like the Tony
Speaker 2: for Best Actress two years in a row with you
Speaker 2: two years.
Speaker 1: In a row, and she's the first black actress to
Speaker 1: be Tony nominated four consecutive years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm just like, hey, girl, you were incredible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was humiliated. I mean, I don't think I
Speaker 2: was embarrassing, because I know what it feels like to
Speaker 2: be treated like keep at it or like what the
Speaker 2: you know, like people don't know.
Speaker 4: What your other or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I you know, I definitely DMed her, just
Speaker 2: like I just needed to tell you one more time
Speaker 2: what an incredible performance you did, Like you blew me away.
Speaker 1: She's probably like literally in the mix to be honest
Speaker 1: for you. Can't you imagine if she's huge, if she's
Speaker 1: huge on Broadway, Like there's definitely no way Marishka doesn't
Speaker 1: know who she is.
Speaker 2: So then I'm with Mark Schabelski this week, and she
Speaker 2: like loves Broadway. She writes musicals and so like I
Speaker 2: tell her the story and then when I like reveal
Speaker 2: who it is, she goes it was Kara Young.
Speaker 4: I go, I know, like I fucking know, Oh my gosh, No,
Speaker 4: you're right.
Speaker 2: It was the day before I left for pe Town,
Speaker 2: because I should have gone straight home to pack, but
Speaker 2: of course I didn't.
Speaker 4: I stayed out with Amy Miller eating at PJ. Clark's.
Speaker 2: But I got to meet fucking you know, Carrie Young,
Speaker 2: so it was all worth it. And I love Amy
Speaker 2: Miller so much. Yeah, I was happy she was in
Speaker 2: New York. And then Kayle because we just thought the
Speaker 2: show started at seven. There was miscommunication, but it started at.
Speaker 1: Eight, by the way, I love On the website for
Speaker 1: the Whoopee, it goes, Whoopy Goldberg is not scheduled to
Speaker 1: appear in this production. Because I met you, so many
Speaker 1: people are like, where's Whoopee?
Speaker 2: No, I they should have at least even had like
Speaker 2: a paragraph or a blurb or like some sort of
Speaker 2: explanation in the playbill, because like Amy had to explain
Speaker 2: it to me after even even watching it. It was
Speaker 2: just like she was in it, you know, Yetta Adam. Well, okay,
Speaker 2: we're back, We're back.
Speaker 4: You're back, we're home base.
Speaker 2: How did we even get to the Whoope monologues? And
Speaker 2: I'm like shocked. Okay, so everyone saw this guy, no
Speaker 2: one remembers him. There was a delivery driver near the
Speaker 2: alley who did see a man running into a dark
Speaker 2: four tourists but couldn't catch the license plate. And they're like, well,
Speaker 2: let's call Hwang, like we need his help. Fuck, he's
Speaker 2: not available. He's on assignment in DC. So now we
Speaker 2: have Amanda Plumber okay, and she's an actress and we're excited.
Speaker 2: And she won an Emmy for this part Outstanding Guest
Speaker 2: Actress and a Drama Series. And this is two thousand
Speaker 2: and five, the same year I graduated high school, which
Speaker 2: all seems very insane to me.
Speaker 1: And bad Wong was on Broadway and that's why they
Speaker 1: had to bring in someone that comes in later.
Speaker 4: But he's not on assignment in d stage or stuff.
Speaker 2: Why Sailor's like, can I help you? Like he works
Speaker 2: at American Eagle. It's like you're on a special I say this, So, like,
Speaker 2: why is there not a receptionist at SVU?
Speaker 1: Like we can't pay somebody like minimum wage or something
Speaker 1: with benefits. Just to sit there and go, Hi, can
Speaker 1: I help you? Let me get you a cup of
Speaker 1: coffee while you're waiting to just close your rape, Like
Speaker 1: I don't understand why people are always just wandering in
Speaker 1: staring at the walls until someone notices them.
Speaker 4: I'm yeah.
Speaker 2: So she's she's mumbling, you know, she's a little inappropriate
Speaker 2: to say off her rocker, right, So like she's talking
Speaker 2: in science terms, mumbling units, principles, looking over the shoulder,
Speaker 2: like she's just not making sense. So she's panting, she's swatting,
Speaker 2: and when Benson tries to get closer to her, like
Speaker 2: she's swatted so you know she can't handle it. Now
Speaker 2: she's repeating numbers fourteen seventeen, twenty two, thirty six thirty
Speaker 2: oh bonds underscore, babbling carbon. Ben's as a crumbled piece
Speaker 2: of paper from her, and it is the like the
Speaker 2: sketch of.
Speaker 4: The unibomber looking guy.
Speaker 2: And then there's red, blue and green ink pens written
Speaker 2: all over at arrows shapes like lots of words. It's
Speaker 2: like something happened with this guy. Benson asks if she
Speaker 2: was attacked, and she goes that was the reason, and
Speaker 2: then mumbles, she's very freaked out, mouth open like eyes
Speaker 2: so shocked. When she sees the picture again, she ends
Speaker 2: up hitting Finn Stabler holds her from behind. Craigan runs
Speaker 2: out full suspenders, like what the hell is going on?
Speaker 2: Benson says, could be victim number four. So they have
Speaker 2: to go to Bellevue. And this woman's name is Miranda Cole.
Speaker 2: They know because they have her ID. She's not really communicating,
Speaker 2: she can't really answer questions, and then she almost did
Speaker 2: by a nurse's finger off, so I really like her vibe.
Speaker 2: So then they call in doctor Hendris. Rebecca Hendrix. She's
Speaker 2: a friend of the pod Mary Stuart Masterson, so we've
Speaker 2: done other episodes with her.
Speaker 4: This is obviously her introduction.
Speaker 2: She used to be a cop but then decided to
Speaker 2: join the lab coat life. She's wearing a peach turtleneck
Speaker 2: and they're going to medicate Miranda, so you know they
Speaker 2: can treat her and also hopefully get information. Benson gives
Speaker 2: Hendricks the heads up she might have been sexually assaulted.
Speaker 2: She's freaking out, and then we can assume time has
Speaker 2: passed because she feels she looks more calm. She's sitting
Speaker 2: up in her hospital bed and Rebecca's very close to
Speaker 2: her and asks if she's hearing voices in her head
Speaker 2: right now, and Miranda answers, yes, what are they saying?
Speaker 2: The doctor says, she says, it is my fault. I
Speaker 2: brought this on what terrorists?
Speaker 4: Why?
Speaker 2: But Laden wants to hide in plain sight, but I
Speaker 2: can see. Benson jumps in. When were you attacked? She
Speaker 2: says yesterday. She says, I have to leave now, but
Speaker 2: they obviously don't want her to go. They have to
Speaker 2: examine her. She's scared of the nurse. She doesn't want foursips.
Speaker 2: Benson is like all over the case. Hendrix is all
Speaker 2: about the medicine. She doesn't want anything else in her.
Speaker 2: Benson goes, who touched you? She starts saying no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: no no more listening devices stop stop stop stop. So
Speaker 2: then Hendrix has to hop her up on medication. Hendrix
Speaker 2: walks wants to talk outside. Stabler's outside in the hall
Speaker 2: and is like, what did she say? And then Rebecca
Speaker 2: and Olivia are out there and Benson goes, well, it
Speaker 2: seems like she was raped by terrorists, and Rebecca says
Speaker 2: the obvious, like, you know, Miranda has schizophrenia and has
Speaker 2: probably been off her meds for a while. They're gonna
Speaker 2: try some antipsychotics and then they can try again later
Speaker 2: and she's she says.
Speaker 4: Nice to see you, Olivia.
Speaker 2: So Olivia's eyes open a little wider and goes, well,
Speaker 2: what about the rape kit? And she goes, it's too traumatic, dude,
Speaker 2: like you saw her. And Stabler asks if she thinks
Speaker 2: she was rape The doctor says, well, schizophrenics rarely false
Speaker 2: report and then stress off and brings on a psychotic
Speaker 2: break and Benson's like, I'm sure that you can appreciate
Speaker 2: the importance of getting this done fast. He attacked three
Speaker 2: women in one night and she could be the fourth,
Speaker 2: and she goes, yes, but I care about my patient first,
Speaker 2: so that's what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 4: Fuck. Stabler gets a call.
Speaker 2: It is another victim, so they had to Broadway souvenirs
Speaker 2: and Laurie Switzer twenty four, was close shot by herself.
Speaker 2: The dad called when she didn't come home, and it's
Speaker 2: the same neighborhood, but this victim is dead. She was
Speaker 2: right from behind and there's impressions on the back of
Speaker 2: her neck from being held down, and then he just
Speaker 2: snapped her neck.
Speaker 4: So she fought really hard.
Speaker 2: There's no fluids, and Melinda's going to try to get
Speaker 2: something from the nails, but she did keep them short
Speaker 2: and there aren't obvious disabilities, but Melinda's going to do
Speaker 2: her job and get back to everybody. So he's either
Speaker 2: so he's either evolving and like the victim doesn't have
Speaker 2: to be vulnerable anymore or young, or like even need
Speaker 2: to survive, like things are changing in terms of them,
Speaker 2: and they're all really really pissed, like we have a
Speaker 2: living victim in the hospital and we can't even fucking
Speaker 2: talk to her. So then Stabler says it would be
Speaker 2: too traumatic and she snaps back, it's always traumatic and
Speaker 2: he says she's a cop and Benson goes, no former cop.
Speaker 2: So they went to the academy together, but two years
Speaker 2: later she went to go be like a doctor, and
Speaker 2: Benson doubts that Hendrick's even members what they're up against.
Speaker 4: Sailor said, so mad.
Speaker 1: At this woman for quitting. Yeah, she's like very mad.
Speaker 1: She's like, how dare you go be a doctor? Like
Speaker 1: you're both helping people, Like, yeah, she didn't want to
Speaker 1: be a cop, get over?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, who wasn't her passion?
Speaker 2: Like so she's really mad and she's like, they don't
Speaker 2: know what we're up against, and Sable goes, then we
Speaker 2: should remind her. It's like they're just bullying anyone that
Speaker 2: can't finish the academy. Benson and Stabler enter. Benson has
Speaker 2: no chill. Rebecca's like lab coat clipboard vibes, and she's like,
Speaker 2: we need to talk to Miranda now, rape kit now,
Speaker 2: and Hendrix goes, yeah, it's already done. I did it
Speaker 2: like chill, it's at the crime lab. Saba goes, wow,
Speaker 2: finally a shrink who gets it, and this is his
Speaker 2: like separation era. So he wants to fuck Rebecca. It's
Speaker 2: like very obvious they are flirty. So then she goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to help you. Fuck heads. And Miranda's responding
Speaker 2: well to the meds. You can interview her whenever you
Speaker 2: would like. She's aware of her illness. She's self conscious
Speaker 2: about like you know how she sounds like to other people,
Speaker 2: but she believes they are real.
Speaker 4: She doesn't want to talk about the rape.
Speaker 2: Like PTSD is really intense with people who have schizophrenia.
Speaker 2: It's really tough, like they can't separate it. So like
Speaker 2: the PTSD is stronger. Benson interrupts her, goes, yeah, we
Speaker 2: all know about PTSD. Thanks, and she says, I know,
Speaker 2: but it's not just flashbacks. People with schizophrenia relive it, okay.
Speaker 2: As she's talking about it, the sounds and sensations come
Speaker 2: back very vividly and feel real. She says she can
Speaker 2: sit in if that helps, and like so, before Benson
Speaker 2: can say no, Stabler accepts the offer. Miranda is laying
Speaker 2: and they start chatting with her, and she's sort of
Speaker 2: remembering coming to the station last night. They asked why
Speaker 2: she comes in. She says, something happened to me. You
Speaker 2: won't believe me. Benson reassures her, like, we believe that
Speaker 2: somebody hurt you. What did he do to you? And
Speaker 2: you know, She's like, she he read my mind. I
Speaker 2: couldn't stop him. Stabler asked what he looks like. He
Speaker 2: controls her eyes so she can't see, and teleport so
Speaker 2: he's always behind her.
Speaker 4: I can hear him.
Speaker 2: Don't scream or will kill you, communicates through the lights.
Speaker 2: She starts scratching her skin and it's like almost bleeding,
Speaker 2: and she digs deeper and deeper. When they show her
Speaker 2: the sketch that she brought in with the pen marks,
Speaker 2: and it leads her to full volume shrieking. Rebecca confronts her,
Speaker 2: I mean, not comforts her. Comforts her, and then we
Speaker 2: go straight to a walk and talk. And so it's
Speaker 2: our dynamic duo in a mighty duck formation with Craigan
Speaker 2: in the front. And he's like, so we don't even
Speaker 2: know she was raped, and I hate when he acts dumb,
Speaker 2: Like anytime they make our people act dumber than they
Speaker 2: are really bothers me. But I know that's what needs
Speaker 2: to happen to the story physician, to be like so
Speaker 2: everybody knows where we are. But it is annoying because Craigan,
Speaker 2: she did talk about standing from behind. That can't be coincidence.
Speaker 2: Stabler's like, listen, she came to her station. I think
Speaker 2: something happened, and she is our only hope. Craigan goes
Speaker 2: and they found semen in the rape kits, so there's
Speaker 2: a match. Holy shit, Raymond Edinger. So they see Raymond Editer.
Speaker 2: He's like on a pool. As they say his name,
Speaker 2: he starts running, he's sprinting. Stabler tackles him and we
Speaker 2: could tell he's like obviously suffering from schizophrenia as well,
Speaker 2: and like, you guys are so stupid. So he's screaming,
Speaker 2: you're not a real person, don't be a werewolf. As
Speaker 2: they're arresting him, he's like at like they're like shut up,
Speaker 2: shut up. And as they drag him away and old
Speaker 2: man yells he can't help it, leave them alone. And
Speaker 2: I just watch How to Lose a Guy in Ten
Speaker 2: Days on one of my flights, and I immediately recognize
Speaker 2: this man. He is Uncle Arnold from the Bullshit card
Speaker 2: scene in How to Lose Guy in Ten Day. I
Speaker 2: don't know if I would have recognized if I didn't
Speaker 2: just watch. So he's so Now we're with Raymond. He's
Speaker 2: babbling in cement room bars. He's making no sense. Pencils
Speaker 2: and crans. Everything is different. You guys have really changed.
Speaker 2: They're dumbfounded. This is kind of like high comedy. Their
Speaker 2: faces are really silly. He's now left alone in the
Speaker 2: room talking. He's talking about crusts and goats have strings
Speaker 2: in their toes, and Julie andrews and she goes, oh.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, he's talking about sound of music the goats.
Speaker 1: I've never seen it. Oh there's a goat puppet show.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, Guyana who was a lonely goat. Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: I just put that together. Thank you for that. I
Speaker 1: just assumed like real goats like I did not. So
Speaker 1: she goes, oh, Ray Ray, he's a frequent flyer at Bellevue,
Speaker 1: and she guesses they fucked at the hospital he was
Speaker 1: let out that morning. Sailor's like, you share the sex
Speaker 1: was consensual. She's like, oh, yeah, it happens all the time.
Speaker 2: Ray Ray is not a rapist, like it's his DNA
Speaker 2: is in the system, but it's for filing hundreds of
Speaker 2: false reports about his neighbor trying to murder his cat.
Speaker 4: She just like doesn't believe that this is it.
Speaker 2: Benson goes, well, great, good news, she wasn't raped, and
Speaker 2: it's like, wait, what I again. I hate when they
Speaker 2: say stupid things when they are decorated detectives, like you
Speaker 2: could have consensual sex and also be raped, like multiple
Speaker 2: things can happen. And Rebecca does say like, no, I
Speaker 2: think she was, and Benson goes, well, there wasn't spermicide
Speaker 2: which was present and the others, and so the doctor goes, no,
Speaker 2: I know, but like it means she couldn't like it.
Speaker 2: Just means she wasn't raped last night. People with schizophrenia
Speaker 2: lose their perception of time. It could have happened a
Speaker 2: week ago, but it feels like yesterday. And also it
Speaker 2: fits his type, especially like if she's off her meds
Speaker 2: and Reyray goes to the window and goes, hey, I
Speaker 2: can't find my head, and so they got to let
Speaker 2: him out. So they're like, let's go ask Miranda about stuff.
Speaker 2: So when they get there, she's already checked herself out
Speaker 2: and a couple hours ago, after the twenty four hour
Speaker 2: hold expired. I don't know if I said Melinda and Miranda,
Speaker 2: but we're going to talk to Miranda Amanda Plumber. So
Speaker 2: they got to find her. No luck, she's in the wind.
Speaker 2: Nobody knows where she lives. And Benson's like, she should
Speaker 2: have been held, and the doc is like, yeah, we
Speaker 2: can't force her to stay. Benson goes that's the problem
Speaker 2: with mental health professionals like you, Okay, you guys medicate
Speaker 2: them just enough to cut them loose, and nobody monitors
Speaker 2: them when they're off their meds. They are victims or
Speaker 2: purpse of crimes, and then we have to clean up
Speaker 2: your mess. Hundricks goes, oh, you want to play this game?
Speaker 2: Would you want me to lock them all up? Is
Speaker 2: that going to make your life easier? Is that your plan?
Speaker 4: Olivia?
Speaker 2: She goes, if it keeps them safe? Yes, and it's like, Olivia,
Speaker 2: come like, I just I hate Yeah, let's like lock
Speaker 2: up schizophrenics.
Speaker 4: Like what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: So Craigan goes, Okay, ladies can't fight over, let's find her.
Speaker 2: So he doesn't say that I think I had the
Speaker 2: cat fight, or maybe he does. I don't know. You
Speaker 2: never know.
Speaker 4: So she has a sister, so let's see if that helps.
Speaker 2: So Stabler invites her to come help them since they'll
Speaker 2: need a shrink when they find her, and there's like,
Speaker 2: already such trust build between them. They're being so flirty.
Speaker 2: She's like, well, I already have a job, and he's like,
Speaker 2: then why are you here then? And it's like, obviously
Speaker 2: she wants to fuck you and you might not be
Speaker 2: a cop anymore, but I know you want to find
Speaker 2: this guy as badly as we do. So they cut
Speaker 2: to the sister's house and is Geneva car friend of
Speaker 2: the pod and she's been in like three episodes. She
Speaker 2: was in the dugger episode that we covered and we
Speaker 2: love her. So she called four days ago, she said,
Speaker 2: Branda called her sister four days ago. She said she
Speaker 2: was attacked, but she thought it was another episode. And
Speaker 2: she's like, well, you know, everyone's always trying to kill her.
Speaker 2: And she starts crying because she feels so bad. She
Speaker 2: didn't think it would true, and Hendricks reassures her and
Speaker 2: they're like, but she did say someone hurt her inside,
Speaker 2: and then they need to find her, and she explains
Speaker 2: that she bought Miranda an apartment with inheritance after their
Speaker 2: mother died, but she rarely stays there.
Speaker 4: But they go to check there.
Speaker 2: It's up the upper west side by the park and
Speaker 2: that's where all the other rapes happen. So they enter
Speaker 2: the house. All the windows are covered, no lamps, no lights.
Speaker 2: They communicate through lights, you know. So then soda can tops,
Speaker 2: thousands of them are hanging all over. There's lots of
Speaker 2: paper molecules and terrorism are her fixations. And they hear
Speaker 2: a noise. Benson opens the door and it's like fully
Speaker 2: foil like wall behind it, and so then we hear whimperings.
Speaker 2: So she like rips up the foil and Miranda is
Speaker 2: on in a ball on the floor. She says it's
Speaker 2: not safe, she's blocking him, but he came in anyways.
Speaker 4: The kitchen is wired.
Speaker 2: Three and then four something clips with something hearing three
Speaker 2: and then four something clicks with stabler. I'm not really
Speaker 2: sure what it was, but they go to the kitchen
Speaker 2: and she did preserve the crime scene. Everything is there.
Speaker 2: Say it, say it, you'll like it, or I'll hit you.
Speaker 2: Tell me what's wrong. Tell me I'm a man, best
Speaker 2: man you've ever had. So now she's quoting him. Something's
Speaker 2: inside he is, he hears from the inside out, disguise
Speaker 2: over his eyes. Head is made of bugs and left
Speaker 2: one here to spy on her. And there is a
Speaker 2: blood mark. And then again quote say it feels good,
Speaker 2: say my name, say Thomas. Holy shit, she's gonna break
Speaker 2: this case, so.
Speaker 4: Now they do.
Speaker 1: I don't really understand how the she would know how
Speaker 1: many victims there were, though, like the three and the
Speaker 1: four thing, like how that even played in She.
Speaker 2: Might be like reading all the newspapers or heard them
Speaker 2: talking about all the victims, and like they were talking
Speaker 2: about information, like who fucking knows you know?
Speaker 4: And I wonder if this guy like didn't.
Speaker 1: He didn't say his name to any of the other girls,
Speaker 1: but for this one, he was like, oh she no
Speaker 1: one will believe anything she says because she's you.
Speaker 4: Know, yeah, yeah, I do know. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So now they pulled every Taurus for Taurus matching everybody
Speaker 2: New York. So they get all the four tauruses matching
Speaker 2: the description registered under Thomas. There's one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: of them, but they narrow it down and one only
Speaker 2: one's in the area, and it's Dallas Roberts aka Gregory Yates,
Speaker 2: aka Friend of the Pod.
Speaker 4: And this is exciting. He's at the center of all
Speaker 4: these This episode is simply brimming with Friends of the Pod.
Speaker 4: I know. It's so fucking cool.
Speaker 2: And they hang his ID photo on the workboard and
Speaker 2: we got to see if the blood from the kitchen
Speaker 2: matches the blood from Gina's crutch and then if it's
Speaker 2: like matches him, and holy shit, that's a suspect. So
Speaker 2: they run the background check and they see if Melinda
Speaker 2: Warner can make a house call.
Speaker 4: So they're gonna try to play mind games with him.
Speaker 2: They don't have a warrant, but they're gonna see if
Speaker 2: he'll give up the DNA, so knock, knock, knock. Stabler,
Speaker 2: Finn and Melinda are there and then like a hot
Speaker 2: fucking sexy muscle guy opens the door. It's not Dallas.
Speaker 2: It's a different guy. Not that Dallas isn't hot, it's
Speaker 2: just like a different vibe. So then it's like just
Speaker 2: like a very very sexy guy, like very yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: like yes, and he's in a towel. Like Melinda says, hey,
Speaker 2: we're hot, like hard eyes, like she's the hard I emoji.
Speaker 2: Either one of you smokes. He says quit a year ago.
Speaker 2: Thomas hates it, and he's like, hey, hot stuff, go
Speaker 2: get dressed and we'll wait for Thomas out here.
Speaker 4: And it's a one bedroom so they're like he's gay.
Speaker 4: He's gay. Fit's like the guy.
Speaker 2: Is gay, and then Melinda goes, it's a damn shame,
Speaker 2: and so like bisexuality.
Speaker 4: Does not exist in season six.
Speaker 2: So and also like Kendall's clearly a gay guy, Like
Speaker 2: nothing is confusing here. So then the hottie goes, can
Speaker 2: I ask what's up? And they go, well, there're sexual
Speaker 2: assaults in the area on women, and he grins and
Speaker 2: he's like and you think he did it. Dallas comes
Speaker 2: out in a robe, sheepishly, asking what's going on, and
Speaker 2: Hatty's like, oh, they think you attack some women like Ello. Well,
Speaker 2: Sabler was like, no, we just want to ask some questions.
Speaker 2: It's not a big deal. You still drive afore Taurus, right,
Speaker 2: he says yeah. He goes, I'm sorry who was attacked?
Speaker 2: And Finn asks for the whereabouts three nights ago? He goes,
Speaker 2: I'm not you know, I'm not saying anything, and the
Speaker 2: Hotty goes, come on, we were home and we were
Speaker 2: in bed by ten. Dallas is annoyed, Alan, why don't
Speaker 2: we just broadcast it? And so he's in the closet
Speaker 2: and it's like everyone's into different things and that's what's
Speaker 2: like really cool, but.
Speaker 4: It's like it must suck to be with someone that's closeted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know you have to do it for
Speaker 2: people's careers and that's really sad and different reasons and trauma.
Speaker 2: But and I you know, I read some books that
Speaker 2: cover this, like I do you know, it just sucks
Speaker 2: and I wonder if they're open or not. So Han
Speaker 2: it's okay, and then he rubs his back and he screams,
Speaker 2: stop it. And he shimmeys out of this hand rub
Speaker 2: and the Haughty looks upset and Sabl's like, you need
Speaker 2: to answer questions three nights ago. He goes, I was
Speaker 2: in bed with Alan, okay, and then Staybler's like, easy, bro,
Speaker 2: just give us a DNA sample and we'll be out
Speaker 2: of here. He says, no, he doesn't want to, and
Speaker 2: Hatie is like, whatever, it's not like they're gonna catalog
Speaker 2: at his homo blood.
Speaker 4: Love that. I love that.
Speaker 2: I want merch. They're not going to catalog it as
Speaker 2: homo blood. That's that's a top ten quote for me.
Speaker 2: So I love this hot guy. So then no blood.
Speaker 2: They say it's just a swab in the mouth, so
Speaker 2: he goes, fine, I'll do it. So I'm kind of
Speaker 2: shocked about that. So now we're to walk and talk
Speaker 2: at the precinct. They're going to rush it, but they
Speaker 2: don't think it's their guy since he's gay. But Olivia
Speaker 2: and John found some more stuff on this guy, so
Speaker 2: his presentation time. So he was at Michigan State for
Speaker 2: six and a half years, and during that time there
Speaker 2: was a bunch of unsolved peeping incidences and they stopped
Speaker 2: whenever he took medical leaves, which was multiple time during
Speaker 2: his college career and also after he graduated. Then he
Speaker 2: moved to Cleveland for two years, and then several unsolved
Speaker 2: breaking and entering incidences. So then either the boyfriend is
Speaker 2: lying or he's a super heavy sleeper. But also there
Speaker 2: was like a call with his mom at ten pm
Speaker 2: from Queen's then, but it was like outgoing, and then
Speaker 2: the next call or whatever there was cell phone tower stuff,
Speaker 2: and then the next call with his at was like
Speaker 2: he had on his phone was at his mom's house
Speaker 2: in Queens.
Speaker 4: So but the rapes didn't happen till two.
Speaker 2: So even if he's on his phone in Queen's at midnight,
Speaker 2: he could have still done the rapes at two. So
Speaker 2: they have to go like, but why would he visit
Speaker 2: his mom the night of the rape? And is that
Speaker 2: what fueled the rape? Like you know, because Munch was
Speaker 2: like what would Freud say about all that? So we
Speaker 2: have to go and see how long he was with
Speaker 2: his mom. So they go to Bussiness Mather's home in
Speaker 2: Queen's and they're obviously under a ruise. So she's like, oh, Thomason,
Speaker 2: tell me about a car accident and then she's like,
Speaker 2: I mean, it could just not be his car. Honestly,
Speaker 2: we're just checking on stuff. The mom is smoking ding
Speaker 2: ding ding ding. It's like such an intense smile. So
Speaker 2: then she says it probably wasn't him because he would
Speaker 2: never hit somebody and drive away. She says, let me
Speaker 2: just get off the call. Uh says, let me just
Speaker 2: get off the call.
Speaker 1: She was on the phone like when they came, like classic,
Speaker 1: like New York mom, like the doorbell rings.
Speaker 4: She doesn't go like, she goes, just hold on a second,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: So he says that three nights ago, a little after midnight,
Speaker 2: her furnace was broken again, he sayed, twenty minutes, and
Speaker 2: so Much was like, I'll go look at it. So
Speaker 2: the furnace keeps getting broken. Dallas was there fixing the furnace.
Speaker 2: So Much is going to look at it. So cute, Finn.
Speaker 2: It's like, must be nice to have your son to
Speaker 2: help whenever you need it. She goes, ah, he's always
Speaker 2: such a bitch about it though, always talking about how
Speaker 2: he has his own life nonsense. But she calls him
Speaker 2: a good boy. Thomas arrives and goes, what the fuck
Speaker 2: is going on here? And VID's like, oh, we're just
Speaker 2: getting some answers, like a lot of stuff that you
Speaker 2: weren't talking about, and Thomas says, you can't just come
Speaker 2: harass people. Munch comes from fucking with the furnace and says, oh,
Speaker 2: we're just being helpful. And look how dirty my nails
Speaker 2: are from the furnace. So all the pieces are falling
Speaker 2: into place. He has the dirty hands, you know, from
Speaker 2: the manicure spot if you remember that. They grab him
Speaker 2: and they're like, you can make it an ugh. They go,
Speaker 2: we gotta get my hands cleaned up, like let's go
Speaker 2: to the station to get an appointment whatever, So they
Speaker 2: arrest his ass. We're in cement room bars the whole
Speaker 2: team is in the spy room and Kragan's like, so
Speaker 2: do you think being gay is a cover? And they're like,
Speaker 2: well that seems really elaborate and like truly by does
Speaker 2: not come up, Like it is really crazy, like by
Speaker 2: your this is by erasure. It's like bry people are
Speaker 2: so annoying, but it is just like it is just
Speaker 2: not even an option for the It's so crazy. I
Speaker 2: just wonder if this episode would be different today or
Speaker 2: like what but you wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Rule somebody out just because they're getting like, just because
Speaker 1: they're living with a man.
Speaker 2: I don't think today, Well, I yeah, but like raping
Speaker 2: a cops might be that dumb, Like I don't know.
Speaker 2: So Benson's like, a homo rapist is new to me,
Speaker 2: but not impossible. And then rape isn't about sexual attraction.
Speaker 2: It is about power, and women make better victims, easier
Speaker 2: to control. The door opens and Hendrix is there. Elliott
Speaker 2: asked her to stop by. Okay, so someone has a crush.
Speaker 2: Stabler asks her why a homosexual man would rape women,
Speaker 2: and she goes, well, same reason as a hetero man.
Speaker 2: She would have to know more about his psychopathology. So
Speaker 2: Stabler invites her to sit on into the interrogation. Benson, shocked, goes, okay,
Speaker 2: when did you become a champion of the mental health promom?
Speaker 2: And Stabler goes, well, you said it's new to us.
Speaker 2: And Craigan's like, okay, the three people like might rattle him.
Speaker 2: This is good and you know he's already rattle. Let's
Speaker 2: go rattle him. So it's a party in cement room
Speaker 2: bars and they're like, bro, you lied to us, and
Speaker 2: he goes, I was just confused. And you know my
Speaker 2: boyfriend was drunk. Well, he doesn't say boyfriend, He's just
Speaker 2: like Alan was drunk. Benson then calls him his boyfriend
Speaker 2: and he screams he isn't my boyfriend, and Benson goes,
Speaker 2: I mean you live with him, sleep with him, and
Speaker 2: have sex with him, and Dallas Roberts goes he says,
Speaker 2: that's disgusting. Rebecca quickly asks, what's disgusting that I don't
Speaker 2: want to talk about that stuff now? Tom Stabler says,
Speaker 2: the only person who's got a problem with homosexuals is you.
Speaker 4: Get over it.
Speaker 2: Rebecca says, hey, you're bleeding, and he's like, oh, I
Speaker 2: cut myself shaving, No big deal. Benson leans in and goes, so,
Speaker 2: what's the issue with being gay? I heard your dude,
Speaker 2: Alan is quite a catch according to RM ME. So
Speaker 2: I just love that Melinda called Benson to like gossip
Speaker 2: about the hawkeye from work.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, girl, you're not gonna believe
Speaker 4: the abs on this man, so fucking funny. So I'm
Speaker 4: not gay. I'm just going through a thing.
Speaker 2: And they ask if he's ever had a girlfriend, and
Speaker 2: he goes, whatever. Lots of guys don't find the right girl.
Speaker 2: Benson says, well, that's true. Being singles not easy. You
Speaker 2: would not and then he you know, it's the cloud.
Speaker 2: You would not look twice at me if I asked
Speaker 2: you out, and he's getting mad, you would not give
Speaker 2: me the time of day. So don't pretend to understand
Speaker 2: what I'm going through. I don't need your pity. And
Speaker 2: then Stabler kind of mocks Samon goes, you're just looking
Speaker 2: for the right girl and one day you'll rape her
Speaker 2: and live happily ever after, and he gives him a
Speaker 2: dirty look. And so now we're in the center room
Speaker 2: and Novak joined the chat and she says that he's
Speaker 2: like got a built in defense, like, oh I'm gay
Speaker 2: again again. So then Hendrix says, well, he's not different
Speaker 2: from any other rapists. They view all sexuality as sick
Speaker 2: and depraved. Sex is equated with degradation and violence. Stabler
Speaker 2: adds that he probably blames women for making him gay.
Speaker 2: And then like he told the victims to tell him
Speaker 2: how much they want him, he feels helpless and wants control.
Speaker 2: And so Hendrix and my boy David Wilson, they have
Speaker 2: like same vibe theories.
Speaker 4: And then rapist you know, gay or straight?
Speaker 2: They want power, and Novak goes, fine, arrest him and
Speaker 2: Craigan goes, no, don't, and they're like, what the fuck why?
Speaker 2: Because he didn't do it. Warner call Thomas Mathers. DNA
Speaker 2: did not match the blood at either crime scene. They
Speaker 2: ran it three times, they have to cut him loose.
Speaker 2: I'm like shocked. I'm like truly shocked. And again, I've
Speaker 2: seen this episode so many times. I'm like shocked. At
Speaker 2: this point, I'm like, what the fuck? What the fuck?
Speaker 2: What is happening. So Benson and Sailor then start fighting
Speaker 2: about Hendrix, and Benson wants a shot at Miranda without Rebecca.
Speaker 2: She thought being a cop was beneath her and left
Speaker 2: and I don't want her doing cop work.
Speaker 4: And he goes, oh, is this what? This is?
Speaker 2: Like an inferiority complex, and Benson goes, listen, bitch, I
Speaker 2: know you're on the rebound and everything, but if you
Speaker 2: could keep it out of work, that would be great,
Speaker 2: and he gives her a look of annoyance but also
Speaker 2: like quite smoldering, and as he turns the corner, Rebecca's
Speaker 2: they're waiting, going like, I don't want to come between
Speaker 2: you and your partner, but also she wants to talk
Speaker 2: about something else. She goes the shaving CT on Mather's neck.
Speaker 2: It's strange, she you know, he said it was shaving,
Speaker 2: but he had stubble, so why wouldn't the blood clot
Speaker 2: So he has his little confused face on and he says,
Speaker 2: let's find out what this means. So now we're with
Speaker 2: sexy tech Doyle. So the blood at both crime scenes like, oh,
Speaker 2: also a friend of the pod, Doyle like, where are
Speaker 2: you following me?
Speaker 1: But I it wasn't what Karen Browning at the beginning too. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: like this is a big one.
Speaker 2: This is like our most like guests.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Floric Yeap and Diane Neil. I mean.
Speaker 2: We've had almost every single person from this episode on
Speaker 2: our podcast.
Speaker 4: Damn, that is a thrill. That is a thrill.
Speaker 2: And no guest today if you were wondering, Yeah, on
Speaker 2: Hetty End Park, we should have gotten Hetty.
Speaker 4: End you know, we should have heard one scene. Ah fuck.
Speaker 2: But I must talk to Dallas about this episode, right,
Speaker 2: Greg Yeats was so much to talk about, So I
Speaker 2: don't I feel like we only touched on this one
Speaker 2: and we had met him and we liked so much
Speaker 2: of his other work and yeah's just so such a pleasure. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like that was a thrill, so basically sexy text oile.
Speaker 2: But I always forget his real name and fake name,
Speaker 2: like Caro Flannagan is there? Like someone's a flanagain, right,
Speaker 2: like why.
Speaker 1: Mike Doyle and he is playing Ryan o'hallarin.
Speaker 4: Mike Doyle's real name is.
Speaker 2: Playing Ryan o'halarin okay, which might as well be o flanagan,
Speaker 2: like they're the same. No, don't say say okay Hallarin Halarin.
Speaker 4: Okay? So where am I? Where am I attack? Okay?
Speaker 2: So the blood's at both crime scenes had a low
Speaker 2: platelet count, which would make blood like longer to clot.
Speaker 2: And what causes that? It's like disease or drugs? And
Speaker 2: is there enough blood for the talk screen? They say,
Speaker 2: But he goes, there's enough blood for that, but you
Speaker 2: would have to like test for specific drugs. And Hendrix
Speaker 2: it clicks because she stills got some cop in her,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, And she goes, well, he
Speaker 2: took medical even college, right, so let's try to get
Speaker 2: his medical records from Michigan State and see what happens.
Speaker 2: So now we're back at Miranda's apartment. Detective Benson's in there.
Speaker 2: Her sister lets her in and she's talking about vapors
Speaker 2: and gases and bugs and stuff. Benson pushes in and goes,
Speaker 2: was there one or two men because they don't have
Speaker 2: the information about the blood and diseases? Yeah, like there,
Speaker 2: They're like, what is actually going on? And so she's
Speaker 2: talking about teleportation, cobalt three atoms plus one. He found
Speaker 2: them in the library. He's made of books in my hand.
Speaker 2: So Benson's like, oh my god, he found you at
Speaker 2: the library. He stalks as victims. So she goes changing
Speaker 2: all the words burning up without fire. So Benson takes
Speaker 2: her to the library so she can show Benson where
Speaker 2: she saw him. And she's walking through the books and
Speaker 2: Benson asks if this is where the terrorist was and
Speaker 2: he was pretending to read, but she knew he was
Speaker 2: recording her thoughts. Where was he standing? And they take
Speaker 2: her to the books and it's principles of particle physics,
Speaker 2: she says, and so they nod over to the bookshelf.
Speaker 4: Miranda starts crying.
Speaker 2: Benson sees the book on the shelf, grabs it with
Speaker 2: a cloth, and he was reading this book and Ben.
Speaker 2: You know, she's still babbling, and she's like, girl, you
Speaker 2: gotta take your meds. It will make the terrorists go away, Like,
Speaker 2: come on, promise you will take these meds. And she goes,
Speaker 2: they're recording you too. Benson looks up, sees a camera.
Speaker 2: There's a security camera at the library.
Speaker 4: Oh my god. Huge.
Speaker 2: So then Benson walks in confident as fucking too. The preestinct,
Speaker 2: Stabler and Hendrix are also smugs, so everyone has information.
Speaker 2: So then so why did the blood not match? He
Speaker 2: had fucking leukemia. The bone marrow was replaced with another,
Speaker 2: so his the blood donor like, so his DNA, like
Speaker 2: his blood and body DNA do not match. So that's
Speaker 2: why he let them swab the inside of his cheek,
Speaker 2: because his blood is being made in a way that
Speaker 2: like from this bone mare.
Speaker 4: And this is Neil. This is Neil Bear.
Speaker 2: This is a show runner, like we have a real
Speaker 2: doctor showrunner in these years. This is a Neil Bear
Speaker 2: medical fucking twist. I love it. I just like fucking
Speaker 2: love this show so fucking much. And because I was wondering, like,
Speaker 2: obviously he did it, why would he let the swab happen?
Speaker 2: And it's because he fucking knew the Bone Marrow created
Speaker 2: New Blood.
Speaker 4: I just I can't with this show. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: But they got the blood information without following the rules,
Speaker 2: you know, like Stabler played some games because she would
Speaker 2: lose her license. So like they're like, what are we
Speaker 2: gonna do? It's not enough to get a blood warrant.
Speaker 2: Ben's holding a VHS and goes, well, this is we
Speaker 2: have proof of him stalking Miranda with no fucking sunglasses.
Speaker 2: So then, Judge Petrofsky, we're all at court, no bail,
Speaker 2: you're going to be you know you're going to jail, bitch, gabble, gabble, gabble,
Speaker 2: no VAX smiles at Benson. The bailiff takes him. Rebecca
Speaker 2: runs to Olivia be ready, guys to be sad. Miranda
Speaker 2: Cola is dead. She took her own life. So Benson
Speaker 2: is like what and yeah, so she took her own life.
Speaker 2: Her sister found her this morning. This is devastating, SVU like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck? Why did you do this to us?
Speaker 2: Benson makes it about her immediately and goes, ah, god
Speaker 2: is this and I told you so lecture and she goes,
Speaker 2: you know, for going so hard on her when Rebecca
Speaker 2: kept being like, can you chill out? Like she yes, schizophrenia,
Speaker 2: and she says her death has nothing to do with you.
Speaker 2: It's the voices in her head who have told her
Speaker 2: to do this for years. The voices got louder after
Speaker 2: the rape. You can't save everyone, Olivia. Olivia starts tearing up.
Speaker 2: She's so talented. Rebecca says sorry, She turns around and
Speaker 2: gets into the elevator. This death has hurt our girl
Speaker 2: so extra hard. She stands in the courtroom crying and
Speaker 2: that's stickwolf.
Speaker 4: Baby, So like.
Speaker 1: They have to this guy, but like his motivation is it?
Speaker 1: Like he's just a self hating gay man and he's
Speaker 1: trying to like what is his motivation for doing this?
Speaker 1: I know it's power and all that, but then he's
Speaker 1: also like is.
Speaker 4: I think he's by? I think he's by, But it also.
Speaker 1: Feels like I felt like there was like one little
Speaker 1: loop that needed to be closed, like his mom, like
Speaker 1: he grew up religious and his mom told him.
Speaker 2: Like that he became a sin because in my head,
Speaker 2: like he it's like it's in cell culture. Maddi Wiener
Speaker 2: has like an incredible joke about this where it's like
Speaker 2: these guys, it's not about like no one wanting to
Speaker 2: fuck them. It's like they want an a to armists
Speaker 2: to want to fuck. Yeah, they want Margot. Look at
Speaker 2: Marishka Hargatango. You wouldn't look twice at me. It's like
Speaker 2: she would look twice at most guys. She's gorgeous. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So then they get mad that they can't have like
Speaker 2: the hottest, most perfect girl, like they're not.
Speaker 4: They're also not willing.
Speaker 2: To like like fuck a girl that they're that's not
Speaker 2: their vision in their head.
Speaker 4: But like.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so that's so that's the thing. But in
Speaker 2: the gay world, he was able to snag a ten. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he could in a probably normal world if he
Speaker 2: had whatever. I just feel like, you know, gay culture
Speaker 2: is like so because you know, like in Promison, it's
Speaker 2: like there's bare week, there's this like people are so
Speaker 2: into their types and everyone is so different. I don't know,
Speaker 2: there is something like special and so like, so it
Speaker 2: was this thing where I think he wants like physical
Speaker 2: perfection and he is by and he was able to
Speaker 2: find like a physically perfect man to be with, but
Speaker 2: like was not able to do that with women.
Speaker 4: But I don't know, why he attacks like quote unquote.
Speaker 2: Weaker women or women with like like disabilities or holding
Speaker 2: a baby or something.
Speaker 1: I think for him it's just easier, like because I
Speaker 1: don't think he's that Yeah. I think he's like it's
Speaker 1: like opportunity and ease.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like that's I think that's why, Like with
Speaker 2: the wheelchair woman Colleen, she was so beautiful, and I
Speaker 2: think that's why he was, Like I thought you would
Speaker 2: be the one like finding people very beautiful but with
Speaker 2: a handicap like that what Chloe Radcliff has a funny joke.
Speaker 2: She has a joint birthmark on her face and she goes, yes,
Speaker 2: it's a birthmark.
Speaker 4: No myself, this seems not low enough to fuck you.
Speaker 4: It's like so.
Speaker 2: It's like it is this thing where like you assume
Speaker 2: someone's gonna be more attainable because of their perceived flaws, right.
Speaker 2: I think that's why people get really mad at like
Speaker 2: people that they deem like shouldn't be confident when they're confident,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Or if like bigger people
Speaker 2: wear certain things like yeah, I think it makes.
Speaker 4: Your life confident, like in like a surprise way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's like because they don't they don't have
Speaker 2: it within them, so they're like get mad or like
Speaker 2: don't understand how someone else has it or how someone
Speaker 2: dates or does other things.
Speaker 4: So like I don't know, I don't know. I'm glad
Speaker 4: I don't understand this guy. Yeah, no, no, I.
Speaker 1: Just like I just was like he like like any
Speaker 1: he hates smoking, but he like.
Speaker 4: Goes to his mom's house reeks of cigarettes.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's he has an interesting pathology. Anyway,
Speaker 1: let's get into the crimes. There's a few crimes that
Speaker 1: are floating around. Obviously, nothing is ana to a match here.
Speaker 4: There's one that's really wild like this.
Speaker 1: These crimes took place though September fifteenth of two thousand
Speaker 1: and four, and then this episode aired like November thirtieth
Speaker 1: of two thousand and four. And I just don't know
Speaker 1: if there's like enough time to like get the news
Speaker 1: over to America because this crime happened in Britain. Had
Speaker 1: the episode be written, shot and on television in two
Speaker 1: months time like that? But it might just be coincidental,
Speaker 1: or it might be Neil Bair, or it might be
Speaker 1: Neil Bhar being like write it, let's go, you know.
Speaker 4: But basically this guy.
Speaker 1: Daniel Gonzalez was known as the Freddy Krueger Killer and
Speaker 1: the Mummies Boy killer, and he was a spree killer
Speaker 1: in Britain who in September, and he wasn't a rapist either,
Speaker 1: so it's a little bit of a different mom. In
Speaker 1: September of two thousand and four, he killed four people
Speaker 1: in two days in London and Sussex. He was inspired
Speaker 1: by Nightmare on Elm Street Friday the thirteenth. He wanted
Speaker 1: to be like quote unquote a famous serial killer, and
Speaker 1: he did target elderly and sick people in his stabbing spree.
Speaker 1: He wrote letters to himself using the name Zippy, which
Speaker 1: was like an old nickname of his, and talked about
Speaker 1: how much he loved killing and he said, quote it's
Speaker 1: one of the best things I've done in my life,
Speaker 1: and how he's just like Freddy Krueger. His mother had
Speaker 1: previously begged her government representatives in the UK to provide
Speaker 1: mental health services for her son and wrote in her
Speaker 1: letter to them, does my son have to commit murder
Speaker 1: to get help? And then his insanity defense was denied
Speaker 1: and he was given six life sentences in two thousand
Speaker 1: and six, and he eventually was put in to broad
Speaker 1: More Hospital, which is a place we've talked about.
Speaker 4: It's like truly Arkham Asylum. It feels like.
Speaker 1: It's like we've talked about broad More, right, it's like
Speaker 1: the one in the UK that had all these horrific
Speaker 1: I think it's been shut down now, but way is
Speaker 1: it still around. It feels like it's like the inspiration
Speaker 1: for like American horror story asylum.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's still there.
Speaker 1: It's a high security psychiatric hospital, hospital hospital. It was
Speaker 1: not like a fucking media it's a it's a high
Speaker 1: security psychiatric hospital in England. But we've talked about it
Speaker 1: before that it has like it's come under attack for
Speaker 1: not being like the right, Like the conditions are terrible
Speaker 1: and like there's a high level of people with severe
Speaker 1: psychiatric problems. So he took his own life there in
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven. I think more likely it's based
Speaker 1: on this case. The Centricity rapist. In the summer of
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven, four rapes take place in Philadelphia. All
Speaker 1: of them are like home invasions, like a home intruder.
Speaker 1: Three quarters of them, three out of the four take play, three.
Speaker 4: Quarters of them.
Speaker 2: My thing changed into a fraction three out of the
Speaker 2: four rapes take place on the same street, so this
Speaker 2: I don't know why this person is so hard to find.
Speaker 4: And then.
Speaker 1: There's these four rapes that happened in ninety seven, and
Speaker 1: then nine months later in May of nineteen ninety eight,
Speaker 1: a graduate student at the Wharton School at the University
Speaker 1: of Pennsylvania my dream school that I did not get into.
Speaker 1: Really I wanted to go there is your dream school.
Speaker 1: I just like went for a visit and was like,
Speaker 1: this place is awesome. Like I went and I had
Speaker 1: such a good time, and I had like just the
Speaker 1: scores and grades to maybe get in there, and I didn't,
Speaker 1: but it made sense to me and this woman that
Speaker 1: Wharton is their business school, famous business school at penn
Speaker 1: And one of the a grad student named Shannon Scheiber,
Speaker 1: was raped and murdered in her Center City apartment and
Speaker 1: the perp was dubbed the Center City rapist at that point.
Speaker 1: Then one more rape was committed in the area in
Speaker 1: August of ninety nine, and then they just didn't find
Speaker 1: the guy.
Speaker 4: And the attacks stopped.
Speaker 1: So this is sort of like equivalent to them tracking
Speaker 1: what Dallas Robert, what Thomas Mathers like was doing the
Speaker 1: attacks when he lived in Cleveland, in the attacks when
Speaker 1: he lived in Michigan. So then two years later in
Speaker 1: two thousand and one, and his whereabouts are a little
Speaker 1: bit iffy. In the two years in between, he joined
Speaker 1: the Air Force and stuff like that. But in two
Speaker 1: thousand and one, rapes started happening in Fort Collins, Colorado,
Speaker 1: same mo mostly home invasions, six total from May to August
Speaker 1: of two thousand and one, and they all took place
Speaker 1: around Colorado State University. Meanwhile, in two thousand and one,
Speaker 1: DNA had linked the Fort Collins rapists to the Center
Speaker 1: City rapist, so he's the same person the Center City
Speaker 1: rapist has been doing the rapes in uh Fort Collins,
Speaker 1: Colorado and in Philadelphia and to Shannon Scheiber's murder. They
Speaker 1: had some fingerprint evidence in one of the Colorado cases,
Speaker 1: like things were matching up, plus DNA evidence, So then
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania and Colorado worked together to figure out who had
Speaker 1: the connections, like who lived both in Philadelphia, Fort Collins,
Speaker 1: and like their whereabouts fit the same time of the crimes,
Speaker 1: and they eventually narrowed it down to Troy Graves, who
Speaker 1: had joined the Air Force and relocated to Fort Collins
Speaker 1: from Center City, Philadelphia, so he fits and then on
Speaker 1: April twenty third of two thousand and two, the Fort
Speaker 1: Collins police arrested him and he eventually pled guilty to
Speaker 1: crimes in both cities. He's serving a life sentence without
Speaker 1: the possibility of parole at the Sterling Correctional Facility in Sterling, Colorado.
Speaker 1: He got sixty to one hundred and twenty years in
Speaker 1: prison in Pennsylvania, but will serve his time in Colorado
Speaker 1: because he pled guilty there first, and he's never getting out.
Speaker 1: But Shannon Scheiber's rape and murder actually sparked a lot
Speaker 1: of criticism and investigation of Philadelphia's Special Victims Unit, And
Speaker 1: apparently there was a lot of investigative reporting from the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Inquirer real revealing that they were not investigating sex
Speaker 1: crimes thoroughly and they had a lot of biases, and
Speaker 1: that detectives often wanted to like hide their their errors
Speaker 1: in this by incorrectly classifiy rape reports in a non
Speaker 1: criminal category. So it became because of that, it became
Speaker 1: harder for them to connect serial attacks, I know. And
Speaker 1: so there was there's do you imagine, Yeah, her family were.
Speaker 2: Being raped and you're like worried about your records, like
Speaker 2: I can't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and the backlash, and then there was a
Speaker 1: push from the Women's Law Project of Philadelphia UH to
Speaker 1: investigate and to help improve the city's handling of rape cases,
Speaker 1: which they said has actually greatly improved. But of course not, no,
Speaker 1: it's perfect. There's always more work to be done. But yeah,
Speaker 1: like her rape and murder. Like her parents also I
Speaker 1: think tried to sue the police department because when they arrived,
Speaker 1: they didn't enter the apartment immediately because the screaming had stopped,
Speaker 1: like the screams had been reported were stopped, and they
Speaker 1: thought she they thought their daughter may have been alive,
Speaker 1: and that they were wasting valuable time that they could
Speaker 1: have been like saving her. But another crime, the most
Speaker 1: famous crime that this one is being linked to is
Speaker 1: Richard Speck uh. And it doesn't really track one to
Speaker 1: one for me, But I don't think there's another espect
Speaker 1: that the name does sound familiar, yes, because it is famous, right,
Speaker 1: like and same with as you. I'm like, I know
Speaker 1: that name, who is that guy? And I like, I
Speaker 1: don't really know the story. This is another crime of
Speaker 1: the century. This is being called, and I think I
Speaker 1: confuse this guy sometimes with Ted Bundy's crimes, but we'll
Speaker 1: get into it. Richard Speck had a bit of a
Speaker 1: rough life, like he loved his father, and his father
Speaker 1: died when he was little, and then he had an
Speaker 1: alcoholic step dad who he hated, but not enough to
Speaker 1: stay away from the bottle. He regularly started boozing at
Speaker 1: thirteen and was in tons of trouble his whole life,
Speaker 1: like robbery, knife fights, this and that. In nineteen sixty six,
Speaker 1: I believe he's around twenty five years old. He in
Speaker 1: Monmouth in Monmouth, Illinois. Monmouth, Monmouth, Richard Speck's boyhood hometown,
Speaker 1: sixty five year old Virgil Harris was blindfolded, bound and
Speaker 1: raped in her home and then robbed of the two
Speaker 1: dollars and fifty cents she made babysitting earlier that night.
Speaker 1: And he was never tried for this crime, but items
Speaker 1: of her were recovered from his home later, So it
Speaker 1: seems stands to reason that this is like about when
Speaker 1: he started escalating in his crimes. He also there was
Speaker 1: also a woman murdered in Monmouth one week later that
Speaker 1: a lot of people believe is tied to him. But
Speaker 1: then a couple months after those events, in July of
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six, he's staying with his sister and her
Speaker 1: family in the Chicago area. They're in Jefferson Manor neighborhood
Speaker 1: of Chicago. I guess it's super South, is what I
Speaker 1: was reading. And eventually his sister and her family are like,
Speaker 1: you got to get out of here, and her brother
Speaker 1: in law. His brother in law was trying to get
Speaker 1: him signed up with the Merchant Marines, but he kept
Speaker 1: like losing out on the positions on these boats, Like
Speaker 1: he had to keep showing up places to be like
Speaker 1: can I get on the boat? And they'd be like, no,
Speaker 1: not today, And he was pissed. So on July third
Speaker 1: to on Julu. On July thirteenth, when another assignment didn't
Speaker 1: work out, he spent the day day drinking in a bar.
Speaker 1: He meets a woman named Ellame Cooper Age fifty three,
Speaker 1: who'd been drinking at the same bars as Speck. He
Speaker 1: took her at knife point back to his room at
Speaker 1: an inn, where he rapes her and steals a twenty
Speaker 1: two pistol of hers. So then he leaves his room
Speaker 1: dressed in black with a switchblade and a handgun that
Speaker 1: he's just stolen off of his rape victim. After a
Speaker 1: few more drinks, at eleven PM, Speck breaks into a
Speaker 1: townhouse in Jefferson Manor neighborhood of Chicago. And the townhouse
Speaker 1: was a dorm for nursing students at this time. And
Speaker 1: this is when he enters the home and he goes
Speaker 1: on a killing spree. And I think we've all heard
Speaker 1: about this murderer killing all these nursing students.
Speaker 4: I think, in my mind, I don't realize it was
Speaker 4: in one day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think in my mind I just googled him
Speaker 2: to be like, why do I know him? And then
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, Chicago, maybe that's why. And then
Speaker 2: it was like, oh, so he like was looking for nurses. Okay,
Speaker 2: I can't believe it's in one night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in one night, he held these women in a
Speaker 1: room for hours, leading them out one by one to
Speaker 1: their deaths by either stabbing or strangling. He let twenty
Speaker 1: to thirty minutes pass between each murder, Like so terrifying.
Speaker 1: I feel to take your time like that, and like
Speaker 1: it reminds me of like Richard Ramirez, like just like
Speaker 1: drinking some.
Speaker 4: Food bar food and the gold.
Speaker 1: I say, yeah, just like taking your time because you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're never gonna no one's gonna find me, Like, no
Speaker 1: one's gonna He killed eight women, Patricia Mattisek, Nina Joe Schmall,
Speaker 1: Pamela Wilkining, Suzanne Ferris, Maryan Jordan, leda Gargulo and Valentina Passion,
Speaker 1: and then he raped And I only read about him
Speaker 1: raping his last victim, twenty two year old Gloria Davy.
Speaker 1: So that's the aid of them. What's wild is corazon
Speaker 1: A Muau, another nurse living in the house, was the
Speaker 1: only survivor because she managed to crawl and hide under
Speaker 1: a bed while Speck was out of the room, and
Speaker 1: he possibly lost count with how many of them were
Speaker 1: there to begin with. She stayed hidden until six o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning, and Speck later claimed he was drunk
Speaker 1: and high at the time of the murder. I think
Speaker 1: I get this confused, because Ted Bundy did break into
Speaker 1: a sorority house and kill a bunch of.
Speaker 4: Women in one night, and I think I just got them.
Speaker 2: Like I And there's a survivor there too, I think, so, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: there is, Oh.
Speaker 4: That's right. Did you want Las Bible?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, like he seems very you know, Bundy esque
Speaker 1: or whatever. But Bundy was like his crumbs like started
Speaker 1: ten years later, I think. But Speck was arrested. Varying
Speaker 1: reports said he was arrested two to four days later,
Speaker 1: and his princes match.
Speaker 4: Those found at the house.
Speaker 1: Also, like Chorussone was a witness like it was him,
Speaker 1: and a panel of doctors evaluated Speck and deemed him
Speaker 1: mentally competent to stand trial. He was trying to argue
Speaker 1: that he was a sane person, but that he was
Speaker 1: insane at the time of the murders brought on by
Speaker 1: drugs and alcohol, which we've seen before does not really
Speaker 1: work as a defense. And while he awaited trial, he
Speaker 1: saw a psychiatrist who found out who diagnosed him as
Speaker 1: having obsessive compulsive personality disorder as well as a quote
Speaker 1: unquote Madonna prostitute outlook on women. And I've met men
Speaker 1: like this before, like he finds. Well, I met men
Speaker 1: that I feel like put women into two of those categories.
Speaker 1: With this man, they said he found women to be
Speaker 1: very saintly impure until they did something to like disappoint him,
Speaker 1: and then he would turn violent, so that could be
Speaker 1: sort of like some of the crossover too of the
Speaker 1: character in the epist, like besides the besides the number
Speaker 1: of the attacks happening on one night, this isn't very similar.
Speaker 1: But also this guy in the episode was more of
Speaker 1: a rapist, and the murder, the one murder he did
Speaker 1: to do, seemed like it happened because of a struggle.
Speaker 1: But so Speck goes on trial in April of nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty seven in Puria. The media was calling him a
Speaker 1: mass murderer, which at the time was not a common term.
Speaker 1: Like obviously very common today, but at the time, like
Speaker 1: mass murderer was not a common phrase, and so that
Speaker 1: was like some articles call him like the first mass murderer,
Speaker 1: even though he's not. He just it was, I think,
Speaker 1: like when it started to get more popularized. At the trial,
Speaker 1: the sole surviving nurse, corazon A Morale, got out of
Speaker 1: her seat on the stand, walked right up to Spec
Speaker 1: and pointed a finger at him to id him, almost
Speaker 1: touching him. Her finger was so close, and there's like
Speaker 1: photos of her entering the courtroom like just such a badass,
Speaker 1: Like to the trauma of listening to eight of your
Speaker 1: friends get murdered and sexually assaulted and to be like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to show up in court and I'm going
Speaker 1: to fucking id this guy. She was also like an
Speaker 1: exchange student from the Philippines along with a cup I
Speaker 1: think one or two of the other victims were as well,
Speaker 1: so definitely a harrowing experience for her. And it's like
Speaker 1: their nurses, these people just want to help people. It's
Speaker 1: like so gross. So it took forty nine minutes to
Speaker 1: find him guilty. Obviously, he got the death penalty by
Speaker 1: electric chair like pretty immediately. But then in nineteen seventy two,
Speaker 1: the death penalty was ruled unconstitutional, so he was re
Speaker 1: sentenced to four hundred to twelve hundred years in prison,
Speaker 1: which was eight consecutive sentences of fifty to one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty years, which was then reduced to one hundred
Speaker 1: to three hundred years. I don't even understand what is
Speaker 1: the point of reducing it at that point. But he
Speaker 1: tried for parole seven times. He was denied every time.
Speaker 1: From nineteen sixty seven tonight ninety one, he tried to
Speaker 1: get parole and was denied every time. And when he
Speaker 1: was at the Stateville Correctional Center in Crest Hill, Illinois.
Speaker 1: He was nicknamed the Birdman because he had these two sparrows.
Speaker 4: That came into his cell.
Speaker 1: And there the guys who did Minehunter, the guys that
Speaker 1: they're based off of. One of them actually has a
Speaker 1: story of like this one sparrow was injured and Speck
Speaker 1: like nursed it back to life and then had it
Speaker 1: on its shoulder like I would have it on his
Speaker 1: little shoulder, this bird. And then the guards were like,
Speaker 1: you can't have a pet. And he took the bird
Speaker 1: and threw it into a fan to like kill it,
Speaker 1: and they were like, we thought you loved the bird.
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, but if I can't have it,
Speaker 1: nobody can. Like Loco Loco in Lacaves.
Speaker 4: This man.
Speaker 1: So he hated the press and he only gave one
Speaker 1: interview in nineteen seventy eight to a Chicago Tribune columnist
Speaker 1: named Bob Green, and in that interview he confessed to
Speaker 1: the murders first time publicly. He Speck died of a
Speaker 1: heart attack the day before he turned fifty and nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety one, but that wasn't the last of him. In
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six, a Chicago News anchor named Bill Curtis,
Speaker 1: any recollection of this news anchor, Lisa, I don't know.
Speaker 1: If maybe he was like Bill Curdis, Bill Curtis, it
Speaker 1: would have to be by face.
Speaker 4: Let's see Curtis with a k hmm. No, okay, No,
Speaker 4: he's not hitting for me. Okay.
Speaker 1: Well, he receives in the mail videotapes anonymously sent by
Speaker 1: an anonymous lawyer that are videos that were taken inside
Speaker 1: the Stateville prison showing the inmates going absolutely ham like,
Speaker 1: doing cocaine, rolling joints, flashing fat stacks of cash, and
Speaker 1: there's footage of Richard Speck's in the middle of all
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 4: He's in the middle like.
Speaker 1: There's footage of him giving oral sex to other inmates,
Speaker 1: doing all this coke like whatever. And he says right
Speaker 1: to the camera, if they only knew how much fun
Speaker 1: I was having, they would turn me loose. So he
Speaker 1: also in these tapes brags about his murders and says, quote,
Speaker 1: strangle up her. It ain't like you see on TV.
Speaker 1: You have to go at it for about three and
Speaker 1: a half minutes. It takes a lot of strength. So
Speaker 1: thankfully this crazy man is not on our planet any longer.
Speaker 2: But they definitely had to take a one night like
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I don't understand how nobody heard screaming
Speaker 2: or anything.
Speaker 4: Maybe he had them all bound really quickly. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but yeah, he is to me, very infamous.
Speaker 1: But I just forgot that he was the guy that
Speaker 1: did these nursing murders. And I don't know a lot
Speaker 1: of anger in a man like that, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but he was they had to look into like. It
Speaker 1: made the It made the prison system in the area
Speaker 1: look really bad obviously, that these psychopaths were like living
Speaker 1: it up and like partying in jail, so definitely made
Speaker 1: them take a second look and crack down.
Speaker 4: I think. So that's that.
Speaker 1: But we have no guests today, so I guess we
Speaker 1: could just move on to post mortem. Okay, so no
Speaker 1: guests today. I don't think Amanda Plummer. I couldn't find
Speaker 1: pictures of her showing up to the Emmys where she
Speaker 1: won the award for this role, so I don't think
Speaker 1: she was gonna do our podcast. But it's about the work,
Speaker 1: about the work. I did love that there were so
Speaker 1: many people if we've interviewed on the pod in this episode, and.
Speaker 4: I can't believe that.
Speaker 2: And just so everybody knows I am recording from a
Speaker 2: bed because my hotel room does not have a desk
Speaker 2: or a table. It's like, that's great, they should probably
Speaker 2: put that on the thing. I just not even have
Speaker 2: a baby table by the couch, like I would have
Speaker 2: sat on the couch. But I don't even know if
Speaker 2: there's plugs and there's no table, like I don't know.
Speaker 4: I like want to reach my iced coffee. Where are
Speaker 4: you putting things down? Yeah? Where's your coffee? Like on
Speaker 4: a pillow?
Speaker 2: I put it on a there there's little circles here. Look,
Speaker 2: there's like little circles. Oh, there's like tiny little circle tables. Yeah,
Speaker 2: on the sides. I mean, it is a hotel. I
Speaker 2: enjoy I've stayed in this company's hotels across the nation,
Speaker 2: like I do. I enjoy their stuff. But yeah, definitely
Speaker 2: not for for work. But I want the coffee, but
Speaker 2: I have to fully lean over this bed, like but
Speaker 2: I just want a little sip.
Speaker 4: I just want to sip.
Speaker 2: But I'm attached to the zoom recorder and the howards
Speaker 2: are touching and then they buzz. It's like oh, and
Speaker 2: then I don't want Okay, Okay.
Speaker 4: I got it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that was the lean of the century.
Speaker 1: But yeah, this episode is such a classic. I'm so
Speaker 1: terrific cover it. It's so horrible. I can't believe they
Speaker 1: got Dallas Roberts as like a horrible rapist twice, Like
Speaker 1: they didn't even switch it up for him, like he
Speaker 1: was a rapist one time. Uh self hating, homophobic, uh
Speaker 1: rapist of women who are like injured in some way,
Speaker 1: like they're they're in a wheelchair or on crutches or
Speaker 1: this Amanda Plumber's poor character is like stuffering with mental.
Speaker 2: Ill Schizophrenia is one of my biggest fears. I think
Speaker 2: I've I've knock on wood past the age where I
Speaker 2: could get it.
Speaker 4: But you never know.
Speaker 2: You're one drug trip away, yeah, one drug trip away
Speaker 2: from losing all tethers to reality. Yeah, one of my
Speaker 2: biggest fears, Like you, what you think is happening isn't happening,
Speaker 2: Like what the fuck?
Speaker 1: I had an uncle who had schizophrenia, and he was
Speaker 1: so funny. I loved being around him when I was
Speaker 1: like a kid, and I loved him.
Speaker 4: But you know, his life was hard. His life was tough.
Speaker 1: You know it was hard to hold a job and
Speaker 1: you know, stay on, like because then you say, you
Speaker 1: get on your medication, you're you're feeling more lucid and
Speaker 1: and you're like I don't need this and you get
Speaker 1: off and it's like, you know, it's really really.
Speaker 4: Because my thing too is like it's always bad stuff.
Speaker 2: It's like always terrorisms or molecules or like gangs are
Speaker 2: after you or bugs are crawling around, Like does anyone
Speaker 2: have ideations that are like fun?
Speaker 4: I can see and yeah, like this.
Speaker 2: Over the depths of darkness, Like why can't we just
Speaker 2: have like a fun or schizophrenia? Let us know if
Speaker 2: that's possible where you're actually seeing like awesome things. I'm
Speaker 2: curious if that's a possibility for this illness. But thank
Speaker 2: god everyone pushed through and then she's dead in the end.
Speaker 2: That's like that's the worst gut punch.
Speaker 1: I would say that killed live and uh yeah, I
Speaker 1: later Live has better interactions with doctor Elizabeth Hendricks, but
Speaker 1: in one she's like keep it in your pants, maloney
Speaker 1: or uh stabler, like she's really not hiding it, and
Speaker 1: then to have her she's pissed at her partner. She
Speaker 1: doesn't like this lady all this shit's going on, and
Speaker 1: then to have her one of her victims die in
Speaker 1: the end. Not not a great Again, we can't let
Speaker 1: Olivia be happy or get a win, but it's it
Speaker 1: was an amazing performance.
Speaker 4: I mean one of who else won? Who else has
Speaker 4: won for.
Speaker 1: Best Guest Cynthia Nixon, Amanda Plummer, the one who was
Speaker 1: like the French accent Isabelle lupire No, the one that's
Speaker 1: like Lena, uh not Lena Allen, Leslie Caron, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Neil Bert getting the ladies his Emmy their Emmy's.
Speaker 1: I feel like they don't look at SVU anymore for
Speaker 1: Emmy's because it's just been on for so long. But
Speaker 1: sometimes I think there's really great guest stars on there
Speaker 1: they should give it. But you know, guest star Emmy's,
Speaker 1: I feel like, is more of a money play campaign.
Speaker 4: Like it's always super famous people.
Speaker 1: It's never like an amazing actress who like nails it,
Speaker 1: but it's like her third thing she's ever done, you know.
Speaker 2: I just honestly, I'm like so giddy about heated rivalry
Speaker 2: being back at work.
Speaker 1: I can't actually my friends saying that my friend that
Speaker 1: I'm staying with was like, yeah, my feet is all
Speaker 1: heated rivalry, and we were talking about the show and stuff,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh yeah, my co host of
Speaker 1: my podcast is deep in yeah, like.
Speaker 2: I think some people thought it would go away, like
Speaker 2: I think this is for life, but who knows?
Speaker 4: Who knows?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, yeah, okay, Let's move on to what would
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