WEBVTT - Week 9, Episode 1: Rams issues? Browns statement win and moving on from OBJ, Can Ravens play include Lamar Jackson running? 0:00:03.960 --> 0:00:07.160 Welcome to a brand new football week here on te Pez. 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:11.280 Babo Schusen, longtime radio voice the Jets, ESPN College Football. 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:14.640 Of course, dan Or Lobsky, longtime NFL quarterback you see 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:16.920 him all the time at the touch screen on ESPN, 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:18.840 and my partner on college football, one of the best 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:21.560 of breaking down tape. And of course Scott Pioli, part 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:24.239 of the architect group to put together a dynasty in 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:27.480 New England, longtime NFL general manager as well. We try 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:29.840 to take you behind the xos and os here on 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:33.600 this podcast and give you football from the nerd perspective, 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:37.440 which we all proudly are. And guys, it was an 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:41.159 ugly week for the Ramps. Gotta drip back into the shotgun. 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:45.720 Now put Henderson put, He's right here, gotta throw it 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:50.760 fires right, So intercepted fired twenty ten five in the 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:57.000 zone cabin fired the a FC defective player. I'm the 0:00:57.160 --> 0:01:04.400 one for October starts November when a bag touchdown Titan. Alright, gentlemen, 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:07.600 how I opening was this result? All I heard last 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:11.440 week was Derrick Henry's gone. Titans have no chance. Their 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:14.960 entire team is built around him. And now you're going 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:16.800 up against a team that many of us thought might be, 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:20.200 if not a maybe the Super Bowl favorite to start 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:22.600 the year coming out of the NFC. So, Dan, how 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:25.080 I opening was this performance? I guess on both sides. 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:28.440 Where would you start? Yeah, not all to eye opening 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:32.399 for me. Um, I'll start with the Rams offense. So 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:34.880 going into the game, I thought that the Rams offense 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:38.360 strength wise was when they got into their empty personnel sets, 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:41.839 meaning five man protection. They do it more and better 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:46.440 than anybody in the NFL. And Tennessee defensively had struggled 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:50.160 up until that point defending the empty sets that teams 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:53.279 had given them. The caveat that I had talked about 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:56.920 was their defensive line was coming. You know that the 0:01:57.240 --> 0:02:00.440 defensive line that has started to show up for Tennessee 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:03.320 over the last month five weeks is a different one 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:06.080 than was in the first month of the season. And 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:08.800 I thought the game would come down to when the 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:11.600 Rams got into empty which they do again more than 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:15.040 anybody in the NFL. Who won that matchup good offensive 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:18.680 line one on one essentially in protection versus a really 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:22.280 good and oncoming defensive line, and it was the ladder. 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:27.640 The defensive line for Tennessee was so dominant in those situations. 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:31.240 And it really what it did was it minimized the 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:34.640 strengths of the Los Angeles Rams, It minimized their identity, 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:37.760 It minimized the thing that they feel most comfortable with. 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:39.720 And you saw it early on in the game. The 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:42.760 third play of the game is a five man empty 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:47.679 protection and the coverage is okay, and Matthews going to 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:50.240 pull back and hit Cooper Cup on our crosser and 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:52.639 the rush gets home. And then the second time they 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:54.640 go to it, which is the very next play, five 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:57.480 man protection, the rush gets home. And that was really 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:00.920 the difference of the ballgame for me, was how dominant 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:04.000 the four man rush with Autry and Landry and Simmons 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:07.200 was against the five man protection plan by the Los 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:09.799 Angeles Rams. Obviously, the pick six is a huge part 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:12.679 of it, and then the backed up interception was a 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:16.800 huge part of it. So Tennessee defensively, the way they 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:19.840 rotate and disguise their coverage then tied to their pass 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:22.440 rush in that game was a huge deal. And I 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:24.880 for Tennessee's offense, I think the word that I would 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:28.480 say in relation to Ryan Tannehill right now would be clutch. 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:32.840 He has become a very clutch quarterback, third best QBR 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:36.840 in the last month of football and the second half 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:38.720 of games. Last month of football. They had a tough 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:40.960 schedule in the NFL as well. So you know, the 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:43.680 play that I love is they got third and ten. 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:47.000 It's twenty one nine. It was about twelve minutes to 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:49.880 go in the ten minutes to go in the third quarter, 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:53.640 and excuse me, in the fourth quarter, and he had 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.200 Julio Jones on a ten yard hook route against three 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:58.440 buzz Week where the safety drops down and he moves 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:00.240 his eyes to get the safety to come to middle 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.120 of field and Julio is one on one back side, 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:06.920 and he plays with such great timing, vision and anticipation 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:09.320 with ball placement and he gets it out right as 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:11.160 Julio comes out of the top of his break, Julio 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:13.840 catches spins and it converts that third and ten. And 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:17.080 I just thought that play was so emblematic of how 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:21.040 clutch Ryan Tinnehill has become when they're gonna need him 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:24.200 to continue to be without Derrick Henry. Yeah, Dan, just 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:26.000 comment on a couple of things that you said, and 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:28.320 to follow up on them. You know, you talk about 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:31.440 what the defensive line and the defensive front of the 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:34.560 Tennessee Titans needed to do. And you know, when I 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:38.320 was getting into coaching, and I had played defensive line 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:40.520 in college, moved to offensive line, and George di Leon, 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:43.600 who was a terrific offensive line coach and coordinator up 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.640 at Syracuse University, I remember one of the things he 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:48.320 used to say all the time was we got to 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:51.080 get a hat on a hat. And I heard that phrase, 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:53.240 and I heard offensive line coaches say that for the 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:55.320 longest time, hat on a hat. We we We've got 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:57.600 man covered up. But then when I got to the NFL, 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:02.239 I remember Bill Parcels saying, Okay, Scott, that sounds great, 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:05.520 But what happens when that hat is better than the 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:08.240 other hat? And that's exactly what have They had a 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:10.640 hat on a hat all day long, you know in 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:15.200 the protection But the hat of Jeffrey Simmons was extraordinary 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:17.240 the other day, you know. So it goes back to 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:19.960 again one of the other sayings, which is, you know, 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:23.800 in critical situations, think of players, not plays. So you 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:26.960 always have to take into account how good the players are. 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:29.479 And Dan, you said it, that defensive line is on 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:32.920 the come. Harold Lanley, Landry is playing well. You know, 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:35.520 Simmons showed up in a big way this week. So 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:38.160 to me, that was one of the factors. The other 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:39.919 thing that was happening going into this game, you know, 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:44.320 I did a piece on CBS HQ before we before 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:46.520 that game and one of the things that was standing 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:50.440 out to me was the Rams and their opponents. And 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:54.200 and I am a firm believer that once again, your 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:57.040 record is who you are, or your record says who 0:05:57.080 --> 0:05:58.600 you are. And there were seven and one going into 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:01.600 the game. Every game that they played, they had gone into, 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:03.720 you know, needing to win, and they won. They won 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:06.279 the games that they had to play. But with that, 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:10.279 they had only played three teams with a winning record, 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:13.000 or up to this point, they've played three teams with 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:15.120 a winning record, and they're one and two against those teams. 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:17.600 They had had this four game win streak, but that 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:20.480 four game win streak was against Seattle, the Giants, Detroit, 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:25.039 and Houston. The overall record of the teams that they 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:29.760 have faced and beat this year is twenty and forty. 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:32.240 So again, their record is what their record is. They're 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:34.479 one of the best teams in football. But when you 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:37.280 go out and you've got hats that are better than 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:40.080 the other hats. You have twelve penalties for a hundred 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:41.920 and fifteen yards. Again, you know how I love to 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:45.000 talk about clean football. Then you have the mistakes and 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:49.520 the turnovers that were so uncharacteristic for Matthew Stafford. You know, 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:51.919 you know him far better than me, Dan, But what 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:54.440 I know from an outside observer, as a scout, as 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:58.279 an evaluator, he is a smart player that rarely makes 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:02.080 bad decisions under direct us. The other night he did it. 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:04.160 He did things that were so un characteristic. And those 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:08.039 two interceptions, they were costly interceptions. And then again you 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:10.360 add on the penalties, where this was the least penalized 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:12.920 team in the National Football League coming into this week 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:17.880 and they just bombeded with twelve penalties. I wasn't so 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:20.720 surprised as we were watching the game unfold, saying if 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:23.080 they don't clean this hot mess up in a hurry, 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:26.080 it's not going to end well. And it didn't. And Scott, 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:29.720 I would say that the most surprising aspect of the game, 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:34.520 and I would really say Tennessee as a football team 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:40.480 right now is how good their secondary has become at 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:45.400 kind of their late rotation, changing the picture that they're 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:49.120 showing a quarterback, and it's it's a rollo dex of coverage. 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:54.080 You very rarely see the same coverage two situations in 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:57.160 a row, second and long or third and obvious passage. 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:00.240 You don't see the same coverage. And I don't care 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:03.200 how many snaps you have played as a quarterback or 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:06.000 how many play games you have called as a play caller, 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:11.600 you are trying to constantly anticipate in guests the coverage 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:14.200 that you're gonna get from Tennessee as a play caller 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:17.800 Todd Downing or excuse me, a Sean McVeigh. And then 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:20.760 as a quarterback, you're constantly trying to see because here's 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:24.920 the thing. You get covered three and it's three carry, Well, 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:27.440 your read is different and it's three buzz and you 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:30.280 read is different, and it's three match and you're reading 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:33.040 it's different, and Tampa two and you're read is different 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:35.360 and it's too carry and it's different, it's too Tampa invert. 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:38.440 So all those different coverages that you're getting thrown at, 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:40.480 you're trying to figure out which one am I getting? 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:43.920 And then when I get it, what happens is that 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:46.120 two tents or three tents of a second that it 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:49.560 takes for you to confirm which type of coverage it 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:52.680 is that you're getting post snap. In the rotation of disguise, 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:55.400 that front has an extra two tents of a three 0:08:55.440 --> 0:09:00.000 seconds to work and that's an eternity. That's an eternity 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.680 in the NFL. And and one other thing that that 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:06.520 specific pick six what you're talking about the coverages and 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:09.439 how they're changing coverages and things that they're doing. You know, 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:14.120 Kevin Byard said after the game that he had a 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:17.720 pre snap communication. He just felt something and he communicated. 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:21.240 So the coverage that they showed pre snap and then 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:25.320 the conversation or the communication right at the snap was 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:28.679 something completely different because he felt something and that's you know, 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:31.200 so he he kind of went rogue, but didn't go 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:34.719 rogue because he communicated it and it looked like one thing, 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:37.720 it became something else, and in that split second it 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:40.439 created a problem. And that's one of the things when 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:44.760 you have smart defensive backs that can communicate well and 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:48.079 linebackers and they can cover for one another when they're 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:50.400 going to do something pre snap just because they're sensing 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:52.679 something that they're seeing something in a formation or they 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:55.000 see the eyes of a receiver or of a back. 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:59.120 They can make those adjustments in game and they will 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:01.200 work out. It doesn't always happened, but that was one 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:03.400 of the cases where that was a really tough one 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:07.319 for Matthew Stafford. And just a quick thirty second thought, guys, 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:09.360 can I throw one more thing out there about Ryan 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:12.040 Tannehill back to the thought that Dan had about him 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:15.240 being clutch? You know, I was watching that game and 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:17.360 it looked like the Rams offense was starting to get 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:19.120 into a rhythm in the second half. It looked like 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:20.880 they were gonna start to make, you know, put that 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:24.280 comeback together. And I'm sitting there going all right, well, 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:26.800 at this point, now Derrick Henry not being there is 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:29.440 going to come back and burn the Titans, right and 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:33.120 to that point. And I'm looking also, like midway through 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:35.000 the third quarter, I think Ryan Tannehill had like a 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:38.480 hundred and five yards passing. So I'm sitting there saying, 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:41.520 all right, well, now, the fact that Ryan Tannehill all 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:44.120 of these years has just leaned on Derrick Henry and 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:46.800 lived in play action, it's gonna And then he threw 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.440 that ball to Julio. I remember the exact Paul you're 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:51.440 talking about and and that was the thought that came 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:54.400 through my mind. He seems to be the kind of 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:57.400 guy that makes a throw at the moment it needs 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:00.599 to be made, and I'm just during it. Both of 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:03.560 you guys have just a thirty second thought going forward 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:08.000 with this offense, Like Schematically, do you keep on doing 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:11.719 what you've always done even with Derrick Henry gone? Or 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:14.199 Hey I've got Julio, Hey I've got a j Brown. 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:16.400 Hey I've got these tight ends, Like Scott, what do 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:18.720 you do? Like do do you change the way that 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:20.720 you play? Or do you still run the Derrick Henry 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:22.959 offense with just without Derrek. You know, we talked a 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:25.680 little bit about this last week and Dan brought up 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:28.600 a great point. There passed first defense. I'm the offense right, 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:32.480 they passed its play action. My big concern was gonna 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:34.559 be can they have the threat of the play action 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:37.959 without Derrick Henry? Is there going to be enough fear 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:42.080 instilled or the object of a running back that would 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:45.959 hold the linebackers into or safety for a split second. 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:48.599 So I think we decided last week they need to 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:50.679 stick with what they've got. And here's the other thing. 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:52.679 You mentioned his numbers and what he was doing in 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:54.840 that game. You know, there were a couple of really 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:57.520 really big drops by A. J. Brown and the Titans. 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:01.520 His numbers would have been better, meaning Ryan Tannehills, what 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:03.080 they need to do is make sure that they hold 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:06.079 onto the ball because some of that lack of production 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:08.920 on paper didn't show up because they were flat out 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:12.080 drops by A. J. Brown. I would say that you 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:16.600 keep the identity of your offense. That is who you are. 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:19.400 That's not only who you are with Derrick Henry. It's 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:21.520 who your offensive line is, It's who your receivers are, 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:25.200 it's your quarterback is. So it's it's not you know, 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:27.360 you've got to do everything that's best for all the 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:30.280 pieces of your offense. I think with the way their 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:34.440 defense is playing and the way that their front is playing, 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:38.480 their identity can't change because they've built their roster around 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:40.760 trying to get a lead via the air or throwing 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:44.559 the ball early and then salting games away with the 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:47.240 run game and you know, the defense. So I think 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:49.480 that's the way that the roster is constructed, and you 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.480 just got to continue to trust Ryan Tannhill that if 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:55.640 games come into the second half, he's good enough along 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:58.720 with those receivers to make plays and then dropped that game. Yep, 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:00.559 well it was a really really us have win. And 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:02.400 you're right. He made the big throws when he had 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:06.000 to make them, and another guy that made huge throws 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:09.360 when he had to make them was Baker Mayfield. Are 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:12.720 the Browns better without Odell Beckham? That's something we're gonna 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:15.360 talk about and we come back. And also where might 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:18.840 Odell Beckham land? What teams make the most sense for him, 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:20.800 and what type of structure do you have to have 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:22.520 in place to bring him in. We're gonna talk about 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:27.720 that and we come back on Tapeds. Welcome back to 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:30.319 tap its Bobo Schus him along with Scott Pioli and 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:33.199 Dan Orlovsky want to win. It was for the Browns. 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:36.120 Here's what Kevin Stefanski had to say about the perseverance 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:40.040 of his guys after their victory over the Bengals. I 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:43.160 would tell you, Nate, that's our guys are pros and 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:44.920 in this game, they're gonna be things that come up 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:47.760 week to week, uh, that you have to address and 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:49.840 deal with and and move on. And that's what we did. 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:52.679 And I felt like the focus was there all week. Well, 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:55.400 they did have tremendous focus and there was a lot 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:59.600 to draw their focus away. Obviously, Dan, you you talked 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:02.320 about us this past week that you can make an 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:05.600 argument that Baker Mayfield just looks better out there without 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:09.240 Odell Beckham. Is that the cases their offense better when 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:12.199 you remove Beckham based on what you saw on Sunday. Yes, 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:14.680 that's been the case for years. It's two years now, 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:17.439 and I think Sunday was just an emphatic one because 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:20.600 it came after the week that was so noisy and 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:24.000 loud in relation to Odell Beckham. So there's a couple 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:26.160 of parts of this game that stood out to me. Bob. 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:29.240 I know, we only focus on Baker Mayfield, right. I 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:31.920 think first of all, Kevin Stefanski, their head coach and 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:34.880 play caller, is a better head coach and play caller 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:38.600 without Odell Beckham Jr. My comments have nothing to do 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.600 with the negative aspect of Odell or any negative aspect 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:46.560 of Odell. It's just breaking down why they're better. Kevin Stefanski, 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:50.440 as a play caller, learned cut his teeth and grew 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:54.360 in the coaching world because he learned how to attack 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:59.520 defenses with scheme rather than people. Okay, so that's the 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:02.520 biggest thing to understand when it comes to Kevin Stefenski, 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:05.960 and when you have a player comes in like Odell Beckham, 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:09.120 that becomes deviated because you tried to think of Okay, 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:11.520 I really want to design this play to attack this 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:15.120 coverage the donophin people's Jones play. But where do I 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:17.520 play so'dell on this because if I have O'Dell is 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:19.880 the receiver, I might not get the coverage I want. 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:24.680 It's always about Kevin Stefanski designing plays to attack defenses, 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:28.480 and then Baker Mayfield when it comes to playing quarterback 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:31.240 in this offense. I've heard people say, well, just put 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:34.200 O'Dell at number one. When I've tried to get people 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:36.680 to understand your relation to a lot of offenses and 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:39.600 specifically this one is number one is dependent on what 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:43.040 the defense is. You know, if I call a play 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:45.480 and it's covered two, well number one might be this guy. 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:47.480 And if it's covered four, number one might be this guy. 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:50.000 And it's covered if it's man coverage, number one might 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:53.320 be this guy. And when Baker plays without O'Dell, he 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:55.960 just runs the play. Okay, the play call is X, 0:15:56.680 --> 0:16:00.680 what's the defense? Where's my guys? And stead when O'Dell 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:03.120 is on the field, he often gets play called is X. 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:07.800 Where is my guys? What's the defense? And that's where 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:10.520 the difference between Baker is and you saw it. You know, 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:12.720 I did a breakdown on get up this week. You 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:14.880 know Anthony Schwartz on an end route out of empty 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:18.200 you know, just because it's man coverage, he becomes number 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:20.840 one and bang, you know, Baker sees it and Tom 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:22.640 hits it, or the ball in the fourth quarter to 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:25.960 Donovan People's Jones on a go route. Well, it's just 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:28.440 because the type of coverage that he got made him 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:31.160 number one. He's not looking for people anymore. He's looking 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:33.560 for what the defense is giving him. And I think 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:37.760 the reality is scott about like the Browns best personnel 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:41.880 group candidly is thirteen personnel, one back, three tight ends. 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:44.240 That's their best one because they can play in their 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:48.240 physical run game and they could also throw the ball 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:50.720 really well out of it. So when you know, like 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:53.360 this team is just better because they're best players, they're 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:56.120 they're tight hands well as at a Nick Chubb and 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:57.960 so there that that's when they're at their best so 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:00.480 there's a lot of reasons why the team, a quarterback 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:02.800 in the coach are better without Odell. Yeah. Dan, you 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:06.640 talk about the thirteen personnel, it's absolutely We've talked about that, 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:09.960 you know, weeks ago when they go to three tight 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:13.080 ends and they bring in the threat of running the ball. 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:15.000 I mean with the two backs that they have, Nick 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:16.760 Chubb and I know Kareem Hunt has been injured, but 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:20.159 they have that one to threat, but also Kareem Hunt 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:23.840 in terms of throwing the ball out of that personnel 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:26.080 grouping and the tight ends, they have so many things 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:27.520 they can do it and and and here's the only 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:29.159 thing I want to add, and in terms of what 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:32.800 they become as a running team, and and just up 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:35.240 from because I think their offensive line is outstanding. Everyone 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:38.239 talks about the Cowboys. Their offensive line has played and 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:41.760 produced so well, you know, last year, and they brought 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:44.800 in Bill Callahan to be their offensive line coach. And 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:47.199 a lot of people that look at Bill Callahan in 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:50.320 his past, they remember those moments of when he was 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:53.119 a head coach or an interim head coach at different 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:57.880 stations and different stops. I remember Bill Callaghan, the offensive 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:01.359 line coach who has consistently been one of the best 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:05.240 offensive line coaches in the National Football League in college 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:07.720 when he was there, and you know, part of my background, 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:10.160 I got very spoiled with some of the offensive line 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:13.320 coaches that I was around, and I saw how important 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:17.720 they would become in terms of the production of the offense. 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:19.800 You know, when I first got into the National Football 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:22.760 I got to mention earlier working for George Dileone, who 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:25.720 was a fantastic offensive line coach. Then I get into 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:28.800 the NFL and our offensive line coach at the Cleveland 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:32.240 Browns is Kirk Ferren's. The assistant offensive line coach is 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:34.399 Pat Hill, who goes on to be, you know, the 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:36.360 head coach of Fresido State. And Pat in his own 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:38.640 in his own way when he was at the University 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:41.720 of Arizona under coach Tomy when they had a really 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:44.400 good offense. So Pat was the assistant offensive line coach. 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:46.520 Go to the Ravens, they're still both there. Then when 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:48.240 I get to the New York Jets and we have 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:52.040 Bill Muir, who was an incredible offensive line coach. Then 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:54.280 I go to the you know, up to New England 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:57.600 and we've got Dante Scarneckie and I keep mentioning these names, 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:00.880 that are these premier offensive line coach and they had 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:03.760 so much to do with the success of the offense 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:05.600 because what they could do and what they would do 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:10.600 is identify along with the genius offensive coordinator. Minds is Okay, 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:13.760 this is where my limitations are on the offensive line. 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:15.639 We need to find a way to protect the quarterback. 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:17.040 We're gonna have to chip, we're gonna have to keep 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:18.920 it tight in, We're gonna have to mix certain things 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:21.760 up in terms of our protection. We need more play action, 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:24.520 you know. And then I as a career continued Dante 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:27.400 Scarnetti up at up A New England, then having Bill 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:29.520 Muir out in Kansas City, so I got very spoiled 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:32.600 and understand the importance of a really really good offensive 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:35.919 line coach and how they can help the entire offense. 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:39.240 And again, getting Bill Callahan was really important for the 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:43.760 Cleveland Browns in and he's doing a terrific job. Now. Yeah, 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:46.440 I also think the Browns defense played so well. I 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:51.240 mean and totality, this was the Brown's football team that 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:53.959 I certainly thought we were going to get this season. 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:58.240 And yeah, you correct, this just could be a jumping 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:00.880 off point for them where once they kind of clear 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:03.440 the drama out that they were having to deal with. 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:06.280 I mean, they they looked like a team that has 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:09.520 the capability to go out and now maybe go on 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:11.800 a run. Now you're you're that You're totally right, Bob, 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:14.040 that's a fair point. Is there's a lot of season left, 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:17.520 huge game coming this week against the Patriots, but this 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:21.320 was by far the best performance defensively, the most complete performance, 0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:24.280 John Johnson creating a turnover their safety that they brought over. 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:27.399