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Speaker 1: Problem solved, but Don Tyler Murray that defender is in

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Speaker 1: Drilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on,

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Speaker 1: Bring it on. Slammed the ground by foota baker like

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Speaker 1: a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I scared

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Speaker 1: of nobody. Here's Paul Calvc. You know we don't have

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Speaker 1: many rules here on Cardinals Underground. There is a proverbial

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Speaker 1: all opinions are your own, own your opinion. I like

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Speaker 1: that one, and then there's just a general keep your

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Speaker 1: at you that's awesome, and we've got a couple of

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Speaker 1: unbridled enthusiasm that is an NFL rookie, And already Danny

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Speaker 1: is underwhelmed over right. When you're saying unbridled enthusiasm, she's yawning.

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Speaker 1: That is. I mean, you wouldn't have been scripted any better.

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Speaker 1: We are twenty two seconds and the Cardinal's underground, and

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Speaker 1: she hoists up her microphone on the headset and lots

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Speaker 1: on a massive yawn. Here we go. So here we go.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's nothing more. There's it's hard not to

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Speaker 1: take that personal. I'll be honest with you right here.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know we didn't mean to distract little bit,

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Speaker 1: little bit, I took that personal. Little bit. Trey McBride,

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Speaker 1: new tight end out of Colorado State, asked if he

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Speaker 1: is and if he has experienced an Arizona summer. Darren,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've asked this question, you were

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Speaker 1: the teleconference with the media. I believe I was one

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Speaker 1: of like three people that brought it up one So anyway,

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Speaker 1: Trey McBride, Colorado States second round pick says, and I

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Speaker 1: quote about an Arizona summer, No, not yet. I've heard

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Speaker 1: about them. I haven't experienced them, but I'm excited to

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Speaker 1: see it for myself. End quote, and Darren shaking his head. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well because there was another there was another player, and

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Speaker 1: I forget who it was. Somebody later said he talks

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Speaker 1: about how cool it was that he was coming out

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Speaker 1: here for OTAs, and we're like, there was a bunch

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Speaker 1: of a light. That's not gonna be cool. I'm about

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Speaker 1: to experience my first Arizona summer and I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: Excited is the first word that comes to mind. Was

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Speaker 1: I anticipated? Well, you don't know what you don't know

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Speaker 1: if you're a rookie. So in this case, he'll find

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Speaker 1: out all he'll find out right about mid June. He

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Speaker 1: will find out whether he likes it or not. Danny,

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Speaker 1: do you think your mental he prepared for an Arizona

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Speaker 1: summer in the big, big heat. I do, but I

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Speaker 1: activities outside. So WHOA are you sure about that? I

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Speaker 1: see a bunch of sporting equipment in the office. A

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Speaker 1: little segment just launch called game on. I don't tell

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Speaker 1: us you're not going to be athletic. Well, okay, that

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Speaker 1: is a good point. Um, I don't have any plans

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Speaker 1: It's not personal. We always do this at the same time.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome. We needed the segment that Paul, you know what.

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Speaker 1: and it was a festive time had by all. Well.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was a look at the trade came

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Speaker 1: it plays out with him not having DeAndre around for

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Speaker 1: an immediate game changer, a wide receiver who's coming off

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Speaker 1: when he found out about the trade, because just adding

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Speaker 1: sure you could say that was Aj Green, However, there

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Speaker 1: Try and get another another player you can hopefully develop

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Speaker 1: speaking edge rushers and Marquis Hollywood Brown, and that number

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Speaker 1: If that's the case, you know, acquiring Marquis Hollywood Brown

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Speaker 1: the Eagles given up eighteen to get a J. Brown

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Speaker 1: if you, if you, how are you only getting Hollywood

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Speaker 1: They didn't have number one, it's not as high as eighteen.

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Speaker 1: see what happens in a year or two, But right now,

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals aren't in a place to give a second

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Speaker 1: in the best shape possible and make sure you're eligible

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Speaker 1: to play. Fans aren't gonna fault you if you get injured,

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Speaker 1: but when it's within your control, yeah, there should be culpability.

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Speaker 1: I mean, nothing you're saying is is wrong, Paul. I

429
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 1: mean you're you're right, there's there's a frustration factor. I'm

430
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Speaker 1: sure there's going to be a frustration factor in the

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Speaker 1: locker room to a certain extent. Although for all we know,

432
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: the players have already come to grips with us because

433
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Speaker 1: he's already talked to him. Kyler Murray tweeted something out

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Speaker 1: and said, essentially said, we've got your back, d hop

435
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Speaker 1: So yeah, here it is. Hops character has never been

436
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Speaker 1: in question. We got you family. And then I'll love

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Speaker 1: emoji thing from Kyler via Twitter. So I mean, again,

438
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Speaker 1: at this point, I will say that I partially hard

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Speaker 1: for me to say. I partially agree with Wolf here

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Speaker 1: in terms of now it's it's now. It's more about,

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Speaker 1: you know, not what Hopkins did to get suspended or

442
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Speaker 1: what it means or what it means on that level

443
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Speaker 1: as much as okay, what does this team do now

444
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 1: for those first six games? How does training camp play out?

445
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,959
Speaker 1: You know, DeAndre Hopkins is a guy that barely played

446
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Speaker 1: any preseason at all. Do you say, okay, we need

447
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:10,919
Speaker 1: you to play at least a little of one of

448
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: these preseason games so that you have a chance to

449
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 1: play little football. And you're not coming back in the

450
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: regular season seven weeks in having not played since Week

451
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Speaker 1: fourteen whatever it was of the previous season. I mean,

452
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 1: remember what Patrick Peterson said when he came back in

453
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Speaker 1: week seven to twenty nineteen and he was peppered with

454
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Speaker 1: all the questions from the media in front of his locker,

455
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Speaker 1: and they said, well, how did you stay or try

456
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Speaker 1: to get game ready? And he said, every Sunday, every

457
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Speaker 1: Sunday at one o'clock kickoff time, I would go out

458
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Speaker 1: to a local field and simulate a three hour football game. Well,

459
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Speaker 1: I just run sprints and then I come off the

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Speaker 1: field for five minutes, as if the offense was on

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Speaker 1: the field, I go back on. I'd run reps. He said,

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Speaker 1: I would simulate a game. I mean you running around

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Speaker 1: in a park. A little different, a little different. Although

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Speaker 1: if I recall correctly, that first game back was in

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Speaker 1: the rain in New York, and he actually did okay

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Speaker 1: in that game and yes, he had a pick at

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Speaker 1: the end off a tip ball. Didn't he have a sack?

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Speaker 1: I think he was a sack. Okay, I think he

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Speaker 1: got a sack or a fumble recovery or whatever it was. Um.

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Speaker 1: But after that, you know, the team started struggling and

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Speaker 1: he struggled. He played better those last couple of games. Um.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I don't know. And the thing

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Speaker 1: about Hopkins is he's not a guy that normally likes

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Speaker 1: to practice a whole lot in training camp. Even well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he can play in preseason games. Even once the regular

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Speaker 1: season starts, he can still practice. No, incorrect, he cannot

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Speaker 1: be it's just through preseason. Yeah. Once once we get

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Speaker 1: to the Monday of the first week of the regular season,

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Speaker 1: he cannot come to the facility until um and look

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Speaker 1: until after the sixth game. And you're right, you're never

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Speaker 1: quite sure exactly how many of the practices that de

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Speaker 1: Hopp will participate in. And you know, so I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure what August is going to look like. But he's

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Speaker 1: eligible to participate in the act. This is eligible to

485
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Speaker 1: play in the preseason games and there's no able to

486
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Speaker 1: be around here then this season in the mini came

487
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Speaker 1: and just like Pat pe back in twenty nineteen, especially

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Speaker 1: that month August, you know, hashtag awkward. You know, it's

489
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Speaker 1: a little awkward when the guy's walking around and he's

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Speaker 1: one of your best players and highest paid players, but

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Speaker 1: he's also not eligible to play once it turns to

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Speaker 1: week one of the regular seasons, so that'll be an

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Speaker 1: interesting dynamic. Can I also just say that, by the way,

494
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Speaker 1: and Danny you cited this, how you know Cliff Kingsbury

495
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: now is ample time obviously to get the offense ready

496
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Speaker 1: and all that, and and Cliff does a great job

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Speaker 1: of taking the blame, does he not. He's a great

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Speaker 1: job of as the head coach being the fall guy

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Speaker 1: or the locker room or a particular player, all the above.

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Speaker 1: And you know, maybe it was the scheme when de

501
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: Hop went down, but maybe it wasn't just enough playmakers

502
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: that really ailed and killed the Cardinals offense a year ago.

503
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Speaker 1: We'll never truly know that. Cliff Kingsbury continues to take

504
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: the blame for what happened to the Cardinals offense and

505
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: how things really faded down the stretch, but really was

506
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: it truly the head coach's fault and the play calling

507
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 1: or was it just a lack of playmakers? Well, I

508
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: think first of all, it probably could be both pretty

509
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 1: likely of are you creating the right type of scheme

510
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: and calling the right plays for the players you have

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Speaker 1: on the field. But I also think looking at the

512
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Speaker 1: offensive line in terms of moves they've made this offseason

513
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Speaker 1: or draft picks, really the only main one is losing

514
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: right guard Max gerc and free agency to the Giants

515
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: and signing Will Hernandez and of course Jase Edmonds. But

516
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 1: if you just want to look at the receivers from

517
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Speaker 1: last year to now, the difference is you lose Christian

518
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Speaker 1: Kirk and you get Hollywood Brown. So if we're going

519
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: to talk about was the issue last year less about

520
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: the play calling and more about the players on the field,

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Speaker 1: I would argue you are set up for more success

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Speaker 1: not having d Hop by placing Christian Kirk with Hollywood Brown,

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Speaker 1: I'd agree with that. So I think that still goes

524
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Speaker 1: back to what there is no excuse of. If this

525
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Speaker 1: offense can't find a way to get rolling without d

526
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Speaker 1: Hop on the field the way they did last season,

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Speaker 1: I think it's still very different because you have Hollywood

528
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Speaker 1: Brown on the field now, Here's here's what's ironical, if

529
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Speaker 1: you will, with Hollywood Brown as a make up a word,

530
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: is that Marquise Hollywood Brown is gonna show up and

531
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: because of the loss of d Hop, he's gonna see

532
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: three tight ends all over again. He's gonna come out

533
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: there and Cliff Kingsbury is gonna evolve into Max Williams

534
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: and Zach Ertz and the new guy, Trey McBride, and

535
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: he's about to Wait a minute, and I thought I

536
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: left Baltimore and the coach is running thirteen personnel againt well,

537
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: first of all, I every time we asked Cliff Kingsbury

538
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: about Max Williams, I don't get the warm fuzzies about anything.

539
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: And in fact, at one point he mentioned something about

540
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: an initial surgery initial as in the first of multiple

541
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Speaker 1: Nobody followed up. I didn't even think about it till later,

542
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Speaker 1: but he said something about the initial surgery. And when

543
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Speaker 1: you start saying initial, you start thinking there was more

544
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: than one. And when was that knee surgery? October? Yeah,

545
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: so it was after week five, right, Max Williams was

546
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,719
Speaker 1: injured in week five, So you're thinking, okay, he's tracking,

547
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: he'll be ready for the beginning not if he had

548
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: a follow up surgery. And there's also no willingness to

549
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Speaker 1: the head coach or the GM to put a timetable

550
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: on Max Williams is there and would, I would say.

551
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Speaker 1: And even when Cliff was talking about I asked him

552
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Speaker 1: about what his biggest at coming out of this draft,

553
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: what his biggest thought was in terms of what position

554
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: he was looking at or what he's going to be

555
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: watching most closely when he gets on the field, when

556
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: the guys actually get on the field, And what he

557
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: said was finding a way to incorporate all these weapons

558
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: into the offense. And he started going over a lot

559
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: of them, and when he got to tight end, he

560
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: mentioned Zach and he mentioned Trey McBride, and I noticed

561
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Speaker 1: he didn't mention Max. Now again, Max is on this team,

562
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Speaker 1: and I think they want him to play a role,

563
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Speaker 1: But to me, until I see him on the field,

564
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: I want to see him on the field. And quite frankly,

565
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: after the Hollywood Brown trade and then the turnabout to

566
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Speaker 1: Trey McBride being drafted, which you know or not Trey McBride,

567
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Speaker 1: the Hopkins suspension. When I start thinking about Trey McBride

568
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: being drafted, you start wondering, Okay, maybe he was the

569
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: highest guy on the board, but maybe there's some other

570
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: details that were just not privy too that is influencing

571
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: some of this stuff. Well, maybe they must think that

572
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Speaker 1: Max will be back maybe later in the season. They

573
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Speaker 1: just signed him to a one year deal, so they

574
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Speaker 1: did right. But I'm agreeing it does not seem from

575
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Speaker 1: what we have kind of picked up on the last

576
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Speaker 1: couple of weeks that Max does not at least seem

577
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Speaker 1: to be on track to be ready to go, least

578
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Speaker 1: by training camp, maybe early on. Because think about this,

579
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Speaker 1: at pick number fifty five in round two, when the

580
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Speaker 1: Cardinals took the tight end Trey McBride, they left edge

581
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: rushers on that board in round two at that point,

582
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Speaker 1: Sam Williams went to the Cowboys with the next pick,

583
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Speaker 1: Drake Jackson. A few picks later out of USC, Nick Benito,

584
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Speaker 1: my guy at Oklahoma, was still on the board as well.

585
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Speaker 1: So there were three second tier edge rushers who could

586
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: have been Arizona Cardinals. And look, it's always easy to

587
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: take out the crystal football and look at the draft, right,

588
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: but you know who was on the board at number

589
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: one hundred when you went with an edge rusher was

590
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Speaker 1: the Ohio State tight end Jeremy Rutgerd. It was pretty

591
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,479
Speaker 1: highly radied and thought of the Ohio State tight end

592
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: who basically got zero targets because he played with three

593
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: ridiculous receivers at Ohio State. But he's six five, two

594
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: fifty and thought to be a dual tight end as well.

595
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: So theoretically, looking back, you could have gone edge rusher

596
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: and round two and then picked up Jeremy Rutgerd with

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00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: pick number one hundred and round three, the tight end

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00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: out of Ohio State. But you're also assuming that they

599
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: had those edge rushers that they left on the board

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Speaker 1: they thought really highly of them, and maybe they didn't.

601
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Speaker 1: I can't tell you from talking to certain people, not

602
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: necessarily with the Cardinals, but other people and other personnel departments,

603
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: said Drake Jackson, um didn't exactly show well at the

604
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: combine for a variety of reasons. So, yeah, you're right,

605
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: a lot of those guys and Nick Benito was not

606
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: thought to be an every down edge guy. He's more

607
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: of a pass rush specialist, for example. And then Sam

608
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: Williams had off the field stuff, so there's instantly you

609
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: can cite one big issue with each one of those

610
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: three that they left on the board. So did Darren's point. Absolutely,

611
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Speaker 1: I'm just theorizing here as to why perhaps Tray McBride

612
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: might have been viewed as the pick right there now.

613
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: It was your question where he kind of asked why

614
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: Tray McBride and round two nobody saw a tight endcoming,

615
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: and Steve Kime's answer was, yeah, not only the best player, Darren,

616
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Speaker 1: but by far, yeah, the best That was a quote,

617
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: by far the best rated graded player on their board

618
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: at that point. I mean later when he starts talking

619
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Speaker 1: about and he brought it up with McBride, Steve Kimes

620
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: started talking about, you know, this isn't just always about

621
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Speaker 1: this season, and when you start thinking about, okay, yeah,

622
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: they did just sign zach Ertz to an extension and

623
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: that's great, but zach Ertz is also thirty one thirty one,

624
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: so you don't know what we got left. We've already

625
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: talked about what maybe some uncertainty about Max Williams, and

626
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: he's in his late twenties. You can't just ignore positions

627
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: because you think you're okay for the time being. And

628
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: in fact, what's funny is is I some of the

629
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Speaker 1: same people that are don't understand the tight end pick

630
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: are the same people that are like, well, wait a minute,

631
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Speaker 1: if all if four of our five offensive linemen or

632
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: free agents after the season, how are you not picking

633
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. Well, it's the same concept, it's true, right,

634
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: So looking ahead, that's where my thought was of wine

635
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: offensive lineman was high at least on my personalists entering

636
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: the draft and trying to get some depth there. So

637
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: I like the pick at tight end. It definitely caught

638
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: a lot of us by surprise. It wasn't us high

639
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: up on a lot of our needs. But again we're

640
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: not privy to it the same amount of information that

641
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: does on the football side. Look at the Ravens who

642
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: were picking fourteen, and you already mentioned that. DaCosta mentioned

643
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: that he didn't think the receivers were quite as good

644
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 1: as everybody said. But they're picking fourteen. They just got

645
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: rid of Hollywood round in theory, they're number one. I

646
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: know they have Rashod Bateman, who they drafted high last year,

647
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: but you could go get another receiver. And he took

648
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: a safety Kyle Hamilton out of Notre Dame, Yes, and

649
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: a very good prospect, and somebody who some people think

650
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: he's going to be the best player in this draft.

651
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: But and you know what, if you look at the

652
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 1: Ravens draft history in the first round with the receivers,

653
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: because he's taking his share between him and Ozzie Newsom,

654
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: they have not faired real well. So maybe they have

655
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: buyer's remorse on getting a receiver and round one. Again,

656
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 1: you don't know, nobody. We can go up and down

657
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: with all the emotions over what teams pick, what the

658
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: Cardinals pick in the draft, but you don't know, and

659
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: we don't know the first six opponents on this schedule.

660
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: It'll be announced next week about this time. Do we

661
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: know the Cardinals have enough in the receiver room to

662
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: compete and win games? Minus d Hop Danny, what do

663
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: you think? Do you think there's going to be a

664
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: time time sign a veteran free agent receiver coming in? No?

665
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: But I do still think that this receiving cores set

666
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: up enough to still be competitive and win games. The

667
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: only problem is they have the statistically the second most

668
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: difficult schedule, just behind Los Angeles Rams. True, so it's

669
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,439
Speaker 1: a AFC West, So that's what I'm thinking of. You've

670
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: got a mean defense, a lot of mean defense is

671
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: come in your way and you don't have d hop Now,

672
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: I think if you were looking at this like that,

673
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: this is not a bad receiving corp to begin with.

674
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: It's just you don't have one of the top, very

675
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: top elite wide receivers in the league that's should be

676
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: on the field. So of course it is a big

677
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: drop off, but I do still think this receiving core

678
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 1: is set up to be successful. They need DeAndre Hopkins clearly,

679
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 1: but I mean, again, like with Danny was saying before,

680
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: if you insert Hollywood Brown for Christian Kirk, and you

681
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: have Zach Ertz who now knows the offense really well,

682
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: and you have Rondale Moore, who in theory is going

683
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: to take a step forward, and you have aj Green

684
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: who wasn't bad last year. He trailed off and he

685
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: admits he's got to get better. But in theory, on paper,

686
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: you should have enough to tread water in my opinion,

687
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: and I think not when you're going over all those

688
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: names is almost sneaky running back is what kind of

689
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: makes me think is that where the biggest difference between

690
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: the offense without having DeAndre Hopkins last year or this

691
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: year is because if you know you replaced Christian Kirk

692
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: with Hollywood Brown. We've agreed that we think the Cardinals

693
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: are better off. But last year, the Cardinals in the

694
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: backfield were sharing reps whtween James Connor and Chase Edmonds,

695
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: two very different types of backs, and they don't have

696
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: Chase Edmonds. They chose to go with James Connor and

697
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: they signed him. So now it's the question what we've

698
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: talked about, is who is that other running back. Are

699
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 1: you going to try and find another back to share

700
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 1: the loads similarly with James Connor the way Chase Edmunds did,

701
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: or are they going to go with a different approach.

702
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: Is James Connor capable of being that true number one

703
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: and taking more of a load on and so that

704
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: it's honestly kind of where we're talking about the biggest

705
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: difference of the offenses of not having d Hop on

706
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: the field last year or two now is they had

707
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: that reassurance in the backfield with Connor and Edmunds, and

708
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,479
Speaker 1: now it's is it going to be We've talked about

709
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: is it Eno, is it this rookie they just brought

710
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: in Kyante Ingram, what's the plan there? It's interesting to

711
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 1: me when you talk about it, because by the time

712
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins went out for the season at the end

713
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: with a knee injury, they didn't have Edmunds and Tonner together.

714
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 1: It's a good point. They never played together. They barely

715
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: played together down the stretch. One of the two was

716
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: always injured, and even in the playoff game they were

717
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: still banged up. So it's funny to you know, Cliff

718
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 1: has said many times when we didn't have hop it

719
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: was the big difference. Who knows, Maybe it's not that,

720
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not the receiver. Maybe it's the need to

721
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: make sure you have a couple of running backs who

722
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: can give you different stuff, which goes back to what

723
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: you were just saying, is who's going to be that

724
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: other running back and can they team with James Connor

725
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: and give them something. I mean, we were talking off

726
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: air about how Ingram is probably more in the Connor role,

727
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: which does not surprise me because you're gonna want to

728
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: have that ability if James Connor gets banged up, So

729
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 1: who plays who's in the Edmonds role? I mean, is

730
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: there a chance that it's going to be Eno Benjamin?

731
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 1: Can he do that well? Quoting Kante Ingram, the sixth

732
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 1: round pick out of USC the Texas Transfer. Six foot

733
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: to eighteen is what he said. His weight is right now,

734
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: Ingram saying to the w W E, I ght, that's right,

735
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: that's right. You were the one who asked the question

736
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: about yeah, said about und Yeah. I mean every time

737
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: we get on the conference calls, I'm usually like the

738
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: first person to ask something because nobody else wants to.

739
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: So I'm like some of us, I'm not talking about you.

740
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: Just relax, and so I get on there. It's the

741
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: sixth round, saye, so, so how is the weight? Like

742
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: it's been a long day, and he's like to eighteen

743
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: And if you listen to the sound, I clearly like

744
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 1: I'm fumbling over myself. I'm like two eighteen. What does

745
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: that mean? Is that like how many days he's waited

746
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: for the draft. I never clued in until way after

747
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: that he was talking about his pounds. But it's really

748
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: evident that he'd been asked that question a loss over

749
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: the last three months, because that was a big question

750
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: with him, what is his playing weight? So he's thinking, oh,

751
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: this is just some other guy asking me about my weight.

752
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: What the heck? I mean, they can't even say congratulations,

753
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: you've been drafted. Here's it's a big moment in your

754
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: football career. They're already asking me about my weight. These media,

755
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,720
Speaker 1: these hard hitting media guys in Arizona should think so. Anyway,

756
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: he said, I'm a bigger back than can run between

757
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: the tackles and move in space. He calls himself a

758
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: true three down running back. And what's interesting is he

759
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: played against Kyler in twenty eighteen. They actually played high

760
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: school full against each other. And so, but to your

761
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: point earlier, Yeah, there's absolutely a reason why they target

762
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: a bigger back in round six. And I think he's

763
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: gonna have every chance to be me be one of

764
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: the first rookies to really contribute, obviously Trey McBride, especially

765
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: if Max Williams isn't available. Beyond Trey McBride, I mean,

766
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this Keanta Ingram has the best chance

767
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: right away to contribute as a player. I think, just

768
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: because you know what, it is wide open in my

769
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: opinion behind James Conner, and and they don't want to

770
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: give him thirty carries a game. I agree that it's

771
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: wide open behind James Conner, but I would also say

772
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: that I would have to do to me if that happened,

773
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: it's because of the ease that you can go from

774
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: college running back to play, because I don't think there's

775
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: any question that if Cameron Thomas or my J Sanders

776
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: show anything as a pass rusher, they need to get

777
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: on the field just the needed edge. Just in fact,

778
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: there's a glaring glaring at Marcus Golden. I mean to me, yes,

779
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: we talked about this when Paul was on Cardinals Draft Central,

780
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: but I while we're on this topic, I want to

781
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: ask your thoughts, Darren, Cardinals took three edge rushers to

782
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: bounce me from that show. By the way, anyways, go

783
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: ahead above my pay grade back to back picks with

784
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: Cameron Thomas and my J. Sanders. Yes, I'm not implying

785
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: at all that my expectation is for the two of

786
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: them combined to come in and replicate what Chandler Jones did.

787
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: My question is how much did the Cardinals close the

788
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: gap from those draft picks for that glaring need at edge. Okay,

789
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,439
Speaker 1: So for me, there's a couple of things, and part

790
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: of this goes back to what Paul said earlier about

791
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 1: at twenty three, and you could add a pass rusher

792
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: or taking the pass rusher at the second round. I've

793
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: been around long enough. Paul was round and I've mentioned

794
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: this on a couple of different platforms. Cody Brown was

795
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: a team was a edge rusher that they took in

796
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: the second round in two thousand and nine, So it

797
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 1: would have been later, It would have been the pick

798
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 1: thirty one. Uh while would have been the second round

799
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: later in the in the round after they made the

800
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: super Bowl, because they desperately needed an edge rusher that

801
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: would fit a three four defense and all their pass

802
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 1: rushers were essentially four three defensive ends and they were

803
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 1: trying desperately to make the switch. And they took this guy,

804
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: and they knew they were overdrafting him, which I didn't

805
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: find out till later, but they knew they were overdrafting him,

806
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: but they felt like the need was so huge there

807
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: that they took him. And he completely washed out and

808
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: he never did anything, and he was the epitome of

809
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: a bust. Yeah, he was. Was that the same year

810
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: they No, it wasn't the same year. I think the

811
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: next year they got Buster Davis in round three, and

812
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: I hosted an event after the draft. Ruster Davis was

813
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven seven, it was earlier the year.

814
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: It was two years before where he was a third

815
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: third round pick, didn't he didn't make the team out

816
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 1: of training. Now didn't even make the team out of training.

817
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 1: He put the bust into buster. And Cody Brown was

818
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: at least around for two years. He hurt his hand

819
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: in preseason of his rookie years, spent the entire year,

820
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: and I R then got cut after training camp in

821
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: a second year. So anyways, you don't want to do

822
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 1: that again for me with two third round picks. Obviously,

823
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: third round it is what it is. You want third

824
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: round picks to perform. But my way of thinking is

825
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 1: if one of these two guys can click, you've hit gold.

826
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: And when I say click, I mean be able to

827
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: give you ten sacks a year, if more, that's great.

828
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: The odds say one of them isn't going to be successful,

829
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: and we can talk about the kid from Penn State

830
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: in the seventh round. Um Jesse might be an inside Yeah,

831
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: I mean I think they got him for special teams.

832
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: He was listed as an edge's he runs a four

833
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: eight ninety. He's not He's a guy that you want

834
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: on your team, to fill out the bottom of the roster,

835
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 1: to be really smart and to play special teams and

836
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: fill in. I don't know if he's going to be

837
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: But these other two guys, you need one of them

838
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: to hit and to get to your point. Danny. For me,

839
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: I think they closed the gap mostly because the gap

840
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: was so big. I don't know what's going to happen

841
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: with these guys. I mean, there are a lot of

842
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: there are reasonable questions with both these guys. Cam Thomas

843
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: is a guy that's his size, feels a little tweenish.

844
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: He's not big enough to be a three four end,

845
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: and he's not quite athletic enough in terms of or

846
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: speedy enough to be the true three four edge. But

847
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: he's a try hard guy and we'll see how that

848
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: pays off. Sanders has a little bit more athleticism, but

849
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the production and you gotta you want

850
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: to see. He had a ton of pressures, a ton

851
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: of quarterback pressures. Can he translate that into getting some

852
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: sacks once in a while. And coaches will say, I mean,

853
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: if he can get a million pressures, then if he

854
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: gets five sacks, they'll be happy with a million pressures.

855
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: But chairman. Jones got a ton of pressures last year too,

856
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: and all anybody would talk about was after those five

857
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 1: secs at first season, where were you? So there's got

858
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: to be some production. I think there's still always going

859
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: to be on the lookout. I don't think either one

860
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: of those guys or even together, replaced Chandler Jones. But

861
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: with Chandler Jones gone, you needed to get some help,

862
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: and I think hopefully that they can and you're gonna

863
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: need them right away. That's the problem is who's out there? Fore?

864
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: Agent wise? Well, there is no one out there, and

865
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: that's the thing you're you're not replacing Jones. What about

866
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: a Jadeveon Clowney or what about Melvin Ingram. He kind

867
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: of got a that's not really going to happen. I mean,

868
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: there are a few veteran names out there, a few

869
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: that might be possibilities. Saying it likely, Why do you

870
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: think Daveon Clowney is such a good I mean he's

871
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: so good that nobody will give him a contract pass

872
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: one year for like five years running. Well true, I'm

873
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: not and I'm not on board with doing that either.

874
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,240
Speaker 1: It would be a one year rental. There's no doubt.

875
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: But if there's a bit and if there's enough of

876
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: a connection still between Vance Joseph and to Jvan Clowney,

877
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: and you can actually rely on Vance Joseph in his

878
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: connection from the Eastern days, yeah, and JJ Watt, then

879
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: then I think you would have an advantage over most teams.

880
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's likely or I haven't got one

881
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: whiff of Jadeveon Clowney coming here, but considering the Cardinals

882
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: need at the position, I'm just saying, because you can

883
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: look at to your point, Cameron Thomas, the All American

884
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,439
Speaker 1: second Team out of San Diego State, You're right, I mean,

885
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: how does this not scream tweeters six four two sixty seven.

886
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: He wears ninety nine like JJ Watt, but he doesn't

887
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: have that size. And you know, look, I had someone

888
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: in the personel department texted me and he said, look,

889
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 1: huge motor in caps, all out effort production, off the charts,

890
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: lives behind the line of scrimmage. Right. He wears ninety

891
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: nine for a reason. So he's gonna come in, He's

892
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: gonna bust his tail. And you know, if he's better

893
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: than Devon Knard, Okay, but Canard does a really good

894
00:46:58,400 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: job as setting in the edge in the run game.

895
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: So you know, if your vans Joseph, who do you

896
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: trust the rookie who's gonna be seen everything for the

897
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: first time and could fall victim real easy to a

898
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: rookie mistake and get sucked inside and now all of

899
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: a sudden, some sort of run play ends up on

900
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 1: the outside and gets the edge and that guy's gone

901
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: and the opener. I mean, I would expect both these

902
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: guys to be situational pass rushers more at first before anything,

903
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: because I do agree that I think as it stands

904
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: right now, Devon Canard is probably your other starting linebacker

905
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: in bass defense. And then if you get in passing

906
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: situations of price which is up. If that Quinn Harris,

907
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: the Cardinals VP of Player Personnel, was on the passpot,

908
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 1: you can check that out and Dave asked him about

909
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 1: my j Sanders, and Quinn Harris said, look on film,

910
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: you see how disruptive he is. There was some question

911
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: about his weight. I guess he got sick after the season.

912
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: He fell to two twenty eight, but he plays at

913
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:54,240
Speaker 1: two forty. Ish called him a tempo setter. Great effort

914
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: needs to work on his finish, that's the reason he

915
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of sacks. But to Darren's point,

916
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: he had a lot of pressures, really disruptive and according

917
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: to Coin Harris, he missed seven sacks last year, just

918
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: didn't quite finish. But like running back, if that's one

919
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: of those areas, one of those positions where you can

920
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: make the transition and just say it's third and seven,

921
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: go out there, go get them, Just go get them.

922
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: Just pin your years back, go after off the edge,

923
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: go after the quarterback. That can translate immediately from the

924
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: college game to the NFL game, and when you start

925
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: getting into those that part of the draft later on

926
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 1: in round three and then of course in Day three,

927
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: round fourth, or seven. You really have to take that

928
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:38,399
Speaker 1: a consideration with players of maybe they didn't have the

929
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: most production, but do they have enough of the skills

930
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: to get started to where they can come in in

931
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: your coaching staff can help them develop and get those

932
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: skills they need to translate into the NFL and be productive.

933
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: We've barely had We've had two preseason games in two years.

934
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: They had the whole twenty twenty wiped out, and then

935
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: last year the Cardinals only got two of their three

936
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: right because of the exciting plane trip to nowhere to

937
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: New Orleans, but we were somewhere over Amarillo and we

938
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: did a U turn. I think that these preseason games

939
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: just means so much this year for what the Cardinals

940
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: are trying to do because they have guys that they

941
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: could use, that they really could use get some live reps.

942
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: I think that's why spending that week in Nashville and

943
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: maybe going against the Titans for a practice or two

944
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: will mean something, because I do think it's gonna impact

945
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 1: this current roster more than maybe it would have let's

946
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: say last year. By the way, can I say this that, Darren,

947
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: You're going to be able to fill a notebook in

948
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: Nashville like you wouldn't believe that tripped in my personal

949
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: life has nothing to do with this podcast. I mean

950
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: that joint practice week with the Nashville at Nashville with

951
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans. Yeah, I mean they are rising to

952
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: the top of the Drama power rankings right now. The

953
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: whole Ryan Tannehill thing. Did you see him meeting the

954
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: media and talking about throwing the three picks against Cincinnati

955
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: and going out in Round one as a top seed

956
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,879
Speaker 1: in the NFL playoffs, right, or I guess it would

957
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: have been Round two as a top seed. And he said,

958
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: it's a scar. This is Ryan Tannehill in that bad game,

959
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: the playoff loss. It's a deep scar. A lot of

960
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: sleepless nights. Every time I closed my eyes, I was

961
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 1: seeing it. I was in a dark place. Now it's

962
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: fuel for me. Nice. That was a great one. And

963
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 1: then in the AJ Brown trade, he said quote, I

964
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: was shocked when I first found out. I'm like, this

965
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: isn't real, This isn't really happening. It's a rumor. And

966
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: then I talked to Aj and found out I was real.

967
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: I slept terrible that night and kept thinking it was

968
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: just a bad dream. But that's where we're at. I

969
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 1: thought you were talking about what he said earlier today

970
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: about not wanting to be a mentor to Malik Willis

971
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: that it's not his job to mentor the young I

972
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: retweeted Kurt Warner about bigger mentor, and I was wondering

973
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: where it was coming from. I'm building towards that. Damn. Oh,

974
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Shoot, these things happen, take it back,

975
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: they happen in threes. So the third quote was about

976
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 1: Treylon works coming, and then also well and then Malik

977
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: Willis in particular, and Tanny Hill's answer when asked if

978
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: he would be a mentor, and I quote, we're competing

979
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: against each other, We're watching the same tape, we're doing

980
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: the same drills. I don't think it's my job to

981
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: mentor him. But if you learns from me along the way,

982
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:21,439
Speaker 1: that's a great thing. See, there's gonna be a lot

983
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 1: of drama in Nashville. I get it, and I don't

984
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: have a big Eli Manning apparently used to say kind

985
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,919
Speaker 1: of the same thing. Kurt Warner then tweets out, Hey,

986
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,720
Speaker 1: I don't understand I'd be a mentor to everybody. Brett

987
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:38,439
Speaker 1: Farve never really wanted a mentor. Aaron Rodgers, that tells

988
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: me that you did not have a lot of confidence.

989
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: Can I say this though? And Darren, you were there

990
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: in Flagstaff when it was Kurt against Matt Liner. Kurt

991
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: was one of the most competitive athletes I've ever seen

992
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: in that training camp. Yes, and he made it known

993
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 1: that he was schooling the youngster Matt Liner. Well, I

994
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: think one of the reasons Kurt had no problem mentoring

995
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: when he was playing was because there's no way you

996
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 1: could be as good as him, So he didn't really care.

997
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: But if I truly believe that you can, you can

998
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: be competitive and still work hard to keep your job

999
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: and then also work in the film room to help

1000
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: teach a young quarterback, or heaven forbid, if you get

1001
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: hurt or you can't play, can still lead your team

1002
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: to a win. Well. And it's funny you say that,

1003
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: because one of the things that frustrated Kurt to no

1004
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: end was that he never felt like Matt truly embraced

1005
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: the film work in the film. No, No, you're absolutely

1006
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 1: right on that. Yeah, so I look, it wasn't exactly

1007
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: filo with Matt first in Last Out, as they say

1008
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: in accounting. I mean, Danny is one of the nicer

1009
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,439
Speaker 1: human beings you'll ever meet. Really understand why she's coming

1010
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: from this way. Think it depends who you ask, But

1011
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 1: I appreciate the contents. What I thought before the on,

1012
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: I take that that was not person taking the on personal.

1013
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: By the way, just to add to the drama, Ryan

1014
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 1: Tannehill has not been showing up to the OTAs in Nashville,

1015
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: and he said today as part of his explanation why not,

1016
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: He said, well, I've been working on my own. Don't

1017
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,760
Speaker 1: worry about that. I'm fitting everything, and I've been finishing

1018
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: up a home renovation which was a new one. I

1019
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: hadn't heard that one. I'm not so you guys are

1020
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: really lucky right now that I'm here for this podcast,

1021
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: because I have like four ridiculous home projects going on

1022
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: right now, none of which are my choice, just brutal fixes.

1023
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: Do you know anyone who will fill in a pool?

1024
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,919
Speaker 1: Come on over to Cossa kel VC. I'm so sick

1025
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: and tired of the pool. But anyway, Darren go, why

1026
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 1: don't just leave the pine? Have like a little skate's

1027
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,280
Speaker 1: trying to do what he wants to Forget home renovation.

1028
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: I want home demovation. Just get some skateboards, some scooters.

1029
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: You guys will be the fun pair demolition. That's right.

1030
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,399
Speaker 1: I will say this about the voluntary work. I mean,

1031
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: we come around to this every year, but I think

1032
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: people need to start understanding, and I think coaches will

1033
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: probably need to start understanding this has changed probably permanently

1034
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: at this point, and you're not going to have your

1035
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: whole team out there the whole off season, and it's

1036
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:08,240
Speaker 1: just not going to happen. And you know, I look,

1037
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: that's that's what's collectively bargained. If you want players here,

1038
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 1: you're going to need to collectively bargain it, and that

1039
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 1: means you're probably gonna have to pay them to be here.

1040
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: And I don't I don't have an argument with that.

1041
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: You know, That's that's the whole point. Their salaries are

1042
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 1: to play seventeen games and to go to training camp,

1043
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: which by the way, technically they don't get paid for

1044
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,280
Speaker 1: training camp. They get like a per diem, but they don't.

1045
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: The salaries don't kick until the regular season. It's supposed

1046
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: that's supposed to be from the beginning of the regular

1047
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: season to the end of the regular season. They don't

1048
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: even get paid for the playoffs other than their bonuses

1049
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: for playing each round. So you know the fact that players,

1050
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: it seems like, are getting more and more like, hey,

1051
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: this is my off time and I'm not necessarily going

1052
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 1: to be there as long as you show up in shape. Right. Well,

1053
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 1: and how does a J. Brown pertain to the NFC West, Well,

1054
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 1: I'm glad, yes, Danny, because this is our chance now

1055
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 1: to look over the block wall into our neighbor's backyard.

1056
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: You guys, realize I did not until recently that A. J.

1057
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: Brown's agent is the same agent as Deebo Samuel. So

1058
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 1: you wonder where that is tracking exactly, and if that

1059
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: can be more problematic. The Niners thought they had an

1060
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 1: issue with Jimmy G and trying to get rid of

1061
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 1: that twenty five million dollar contract and get something in

1062
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 1: return for Jimmy G. Good luck with that and good

1063
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: luck with Deebo Samuel at this point. Well, and supposedly

1064
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,919
Speaker 1: the rumors were that they were getting trade offers during

1065
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 1: the draft and they just I don't think it from

1066
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: miner saying, but do you think they are willing to

1067
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: trade him? I mean, I don't even get the vibe

1068
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,760
Speaker 1: that they would be willing to trade him unless somebody

1069
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: is giving them. I've come to the point that I'm

1070
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:52,439
Speaker 1: never saying never when it comes to trades anymore, because

1071
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: you never know what somebody might offer. But you just

1072
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: said never, Darren, so jokes on you based on an

1073
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: interview I did on CANDR after the Cardinals draft, and

1074
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: we got to debo at the end, and my guy

1075
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: Greg Pop a voice of the forty nine ers, I

1076
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,280
Speaker 1: can tell you this much, I think they're all in denial.

1077
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: I think they're all in denial in Silicon Valley right now. Yeah,

1078
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: they think that play. Yeah, they think Debo's just gonna

1079
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: stick around and play. And there's no problem. No, I

1080
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 1: don't see him playing. No, I would not be entirely surprised. Okay,

1081
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: here's the problem with sitting out or maybe hold in,

1082
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: come to training camp and not participate, may hold that deal. Maybe,

1083
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. If he's not holding out for

1084
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: a contract, if he's holding out to be traded, you

1085
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 1: can't do that. I mean eventually, I mean, if if

1086
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 1: they get to the point where they think you're not

1087
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: going to play, then you might, you might eventually get

1088
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: your trade, but you're you, you've driven down the thing.

1089
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's a lot of sticky parts

1090
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: to this, and I think not playing because if you

1091
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 1: hold out, if you just don't show up, you don't

1092
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: you you lose that year for free to see. So well,

1093
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: and then, speaking in the NFC West, how about the

1094
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: last place Seahawks. It was conspicuous by their draft class

1095
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: they did not take a quarterback and coach double rainbow

1096
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll saying, purther, qb Room, somebody get the lie

1097
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: detector ready, because when he was asked about his collection

1098
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks right now, Geno Smith drew Locke and jacobieson quote,

1099
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: We're really happy with the guys we've got end quote.

1100
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: So what else is he supposed to say? We're trading

1101
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: for Baker? Is that what you're waiting for him to say?

1102
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: They're waiting for the Browns to cut Baker Mayfield probably

1103
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,439
Speaker 1: wasn't their first pick and offensive lineman. Yes, their first

1104
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: two picks. I believe we're tackles. They got two tackles,

1105
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: two rookies who could easily be their starting tackles this year.

1106
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna make you chuckle at least a little, right,

1107
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: I thought that Russell Wilson was sacked the most by

1108
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: a landslide, Right, makes us chuckle. And then he leaves

1109
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: to go to Denver and first two picks in that

1110
00:57:55,280 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: next draft offensive lineman. Yeah. So there's the latest on

1111
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: the last place Seahawks on that one. And by the way, look,

1112
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: did the Tennessee Titans think that they were going to

1113
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: trade away A J. Brown? A number of people busted

1114
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: out the SoundBite from just two months ago where Mike

1115
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: Vrabel looked at the media and said he won't be

1116
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: on the trade block quote as long as I'm the

1117
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: head coach end quote. And a month or so later

1118
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: they traded away A J. Brown out of control. So

1119
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: it's just it's a new age in the NFL, not

1120
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: unlike the NBA, where these players are able to force

1121
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 1: their way out and or to teams they want to

1122
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: go absolutely, And it's not just the Russell Wilson's, it's

1123
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: not just the marquee quarterbacks. It's now other position players

1124
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: as we are obviously seen heck Marky's Hollywood Brown told us,

1125
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: and it will be an interview on the Big Red Rage,

1126
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: and I think he told the media as well, and

1127
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: where he told the Baltimore media, he confirmed he requested

1128
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: a trade to start this offseason. He'd no longer wanted

1129
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: to stay in Baltimore. Nothing personal, didn't think it was

1130
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: a good fit in the system, didn't like the sorts

1131
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: of targets he was getting, didn't like the run heavy,

1132
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: tight end heavy type scheme, and so he wanted out.

1133
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: And so for Lamar Jackson to send out some of

1134
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: those tweets that we can't really repeat or at least

1135
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: to find the acronym that he sent out that was interesting,

1136
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: like why would he play dumb for lack of a

1137
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: better term, like, why would he react like that when

1138
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: Marquis Hollywood. Brown pretty much set up front. Yeah, I

1139
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: let Lamar, he's my guy. I let him notice start

1140
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: the offseason where I was at, well, maybe or at

1141
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: least what I was requesting me, I was gonna say,

1142
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 1: Maybe he told him he was a requesting. Maybe Lamar

1143
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: never really believed that it was going to happen. Perhaps, Yeah,

1144
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: it's just plausible with theories any You're possible for Cardinals fans,

1145
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: You're possible number one wide receiver. Not only has chemistry

1146
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: with quarterback Carlo Murray from their days in University of

1147
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: Oklahoma as team, but they've also been training together in

1148
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: Dallas in the off season, and Brown was telling the

1149
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: media that Kyler was already given him the play calls before.

1150
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: Kyler was not in the know, of course, of what

1151
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: was going down. But they were hopeful, I guess in

1152
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: the sense of they've been friends for a long time,

1153
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: have been talking about since they entered the league together,

1154
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: of wanting to play together, and they were trained down

1155
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: there together, and he knew Brown was interested in a

1156
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: train and so they was saying, Kyler's already been helping

1157
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 1: me out with some of the play calls. So there's

1158
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: that chemistry already going for them. Yes. So to come

1159
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: full circle for everyone wondering maybe why the Cardinals didn't

1160
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: get a rookie receiver, think about it. You have a

1161
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: proven entity, a proven thousand yard receiver in Marquise Hollywood Brown,

1162
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: who has proven existing chemistry with Kyler Murray, who's played

1163
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: in this sort of offense before. Both he and Cliff

1164
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: Kingsbury cited the similarities to Lincoln Riley's system. So I mean,

1165
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: if you want to plug and play type guy who

1166
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: can produce immediately, then this was the route you went.

1167
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: This is the avenue you took. And you know, going

1168
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: for a trade versus someone in the draft who is

1169
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: just a complete, unproven and unknown. So the player the

1170
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: Cardinals had their eye on back in twenty nineteen, Brown

1171
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: had what was it a foot injury that he kind

1172
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: of slid a little in the in the first round,

1173
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: and Kin was telling the media they had looked into

1174
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 1: that was of course they took Kyler Murray first overall

1175
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: pick that they had kind of looked into training back

1176
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: up into the first round to get Brown, then he

1177
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: was taken by the Ravens and now it's all come

1178
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 1: full circle. And I told this on the Big Red

1179
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: Rage and actually at the draft party as well, when

1180
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 1: I asked Hollywood Brown, I just said, well, if you

1181
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: would have been healthy at the combine, what would you

1182
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 1: have run, because he never did run, and he said, oh,

1183
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: I would have been sub four three and maybe maybe

1184
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: had a shot at the record, meaning John Ross four

1185
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: two two, which okay, it's sort of like every guy

1186
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: in the locker room thinks he can ball, he can

1187
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 1: play basketball, Okay, I get it. But I think he

1188
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: is a legitimate sub four three guy because he was

1189
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 1: clocked at four three two at the JC his JC

1190
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 1: year before he went to Oklahoma, and I think it's

1191
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,919
Speaker 1: really to think with training for the Combine he would

1192
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: run sub four three. So anyway, you got a legitimate burner.

1193
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: And we'll see how that figures into the Cardinals offense.

1194
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 1: As for the schedule, what do we know on this

1195
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: Darren is coming out here in the next month, is

1196
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 1: that the latest? No, next week before, I'm sorry, in

1197
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 1: the next week, yes, international, yes, by the time, by

1198
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: the time we record the next podcast, we will know

1199
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 1: the date and the opponent for the Mexico game because

1200
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 1: that comes out after we record this, but before next recording,

1201
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 1: and then a week from Thursday, May twelfth is when

1202
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 1: the entire schedule gets put out. There gocha. And by

1203
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: the way, if you're looking for a sleeper on day

1204
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: three of the draft, have you guys noticed there's been

1205
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: a lot of glowing reports on Lacida Smith, the guard

1206
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 1: out of Virginia Tech who has taken number two fifteen

1207
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 1: overall round six sixty three, three fifteen, and they just

1208
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: talk about how he as a former high school tight end.

1209
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 1: He has really good feat and he has ability to

1210
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 1: pull that. Quinn Harris with day pass on the Pashpot

1211
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: just said he called him a steal. He actually used

1212
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 1: that word. We think that was a steel in round six.

1213
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 1: He's great as a polar good feet, tough, physical plays

1214
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 1: with an attitude. To what degree do you think that's

1215
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 1: starting A right guard spot is up for grabs, will

1216
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: Hernandez Lucida Smith, I mean, like the starting right guard spot.

1217
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 1: To what degree do you think that is a competition,

1218
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: a legitimate competition. Even a Marquis Hayes who started his

1219
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 1: final thirty seven games at guard at Oklahoma, second team

1220
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 1: All Big Twelve as a senior. He's pretty advanced in

1221
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 1: his development. Do you think one of these rookies could

1222
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 1: give Will Hernandez a run Justin Murray, even right if

1223
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 1: Justin Murray's healthy. I mean, you got four guys, maybe

1224
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: you could figure into that competition. In terms of a

1225
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 1: rookie at I don't know they'll necessarily give a true

1226
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 1: run for their money against Will Hernandez, It's possible. I

1227
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: would say right guard is the position that has the

1228
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 1: most likelihood of some true competition happening, that I guess,

1229
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 1: and maybe right tackle depending on what you know. When

1230
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: you think about what the John, when you think about

1231
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 1: what the Cardinals are wanting from Josh Jones over Calvin Beach,

1232
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: I would agree with that. Yes. I mean, obviously you

1233
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 1: would like for Josh Jones to finally step forward. He's

1234
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 1: a third round pick. You want him to do that.

1235
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 1: But I feel like every every inkling we have is

1236
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: that Calvin Beecham has just continues to play solid enough there. Yes,

1237
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: but that's what I mean by competition. I think that's

1238
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 1: what the coaching staff would probably want to see by

1239
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 1: this point from Josh Jones. But but I don't know

1240
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: how much always talk about competition and then amazingly there's

1241
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: really never any real cause I don't know how much

1242
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 1: true competition I would expect off of that from one

1243
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 1: of the late round rookies over Will Hernandez. On paper,

1244
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: there's fighting. Yeah, this time of year, they have the

1245
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 1: little magnets on the board and everyone's competing all these

1246
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 1: little magnets, and then the magnets become human beings and

1247
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: they realize the rookie has no clue and he can't

1248
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 1: be trusted, and he's a liability and I'm not going

1249
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 1: to put my job on the line in the name

1250
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 1: of this rookie. And so guess what, You're out and

1251
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: I'm playing the veteran if you go and it's it's

1252
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: it's like the roster thing. You start training camp. Well,

1253
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 1: everybody's battling. Yeah, they've got bottom line out of our

1254
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 1: fifty three spots. We know fifty lam already. Okay, Well,

1255
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 1: then I guess everybody's battling. I'm not sure for what,

1256
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 1: but so you know what, we'll come full circle with

1257
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 1: a rookie quote. We started we were going to come

1258
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: full circle. We came with the Trey McBride quick I'm

1259
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 1: still sleeping. Oh, I don't. I don't put it past

1260
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 1: Danny and I actually I might actually elicit a yawn

1261
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: here Momentelly. We'll see if this goes over. But remember

1262
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 1: the Trey McBride quote to start things off about an

1263
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 1: Arizona summer and he said, yeah, I'm excited to see

1264
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 1: it for myself. I wasn't there, so it's a legitimate question.

1265
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 1: Did Chris Matthew the corner out of Valdosta State six

1266
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 1: two corner by the way, did he really say he

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Speaker 1: wanted some of that smoke that is DeAndre Hopkins. Yes, Now,

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Speaker 1: he did say that. The question was, you know, do

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Speaker 1: you are you excited to learn from him? And he said, yes, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I want to go against him. Then he made some

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Speaker 1: kind of comment about going up against uh DeAndre Hopkins,

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Speaker 1: and then he said something, yeah, I do want to

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Speaker 1: make the point that he's old, and then he kind

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Speaker 1: of chuckled, and then he went on to say that

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins is one of the best receivers in the

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Speaker 1: league and he wants to be able to battle him

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Speaker 1: in practice because of him, and I can make them

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Speaker 1: better players. So yeah, I mean we need a little

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Speaker 1: context there. But I don't think that Chris. I will

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Speaker 1: say that's Chris Matthew and I don't know anything about

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Speaker 1: him other than they drafted him from valdo Hosta State

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Speaker 1: and he has an eighty inch wingspan. By the way,

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Speaker 1: he definitely carries the I'm a cornerback, so I've got

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Speaker 1: that attitude confidence thing go yeah yeah. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: Valdosta State. I have no idea where it is, but

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Speaker 1: Georgia they do have. In Georgia, they have two corners

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Speaker 1: who are active in the NFL, including Kenny Moore. The

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Speaker 1: Colts think about that. It's all coming together in Georgia. Well,

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Speaker 1: drafts back tooy, I'm a buyer. To wrap up this edition,

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Speaker 1: Cardinal's Underground brought to you by Pacific Office Automation, No

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Speaker 1: Yawning