Speaker 1: Hey, y'all, thanks so much for joining me for another
Speaker 1: episode of Therapy for Black Girls University. We'll get right
Speaker 1: into our conversation afterword from our sponsors. For this episode,
Speaker 1: I have the pleasure of sitting down with singer, songwriter
Speaker 1: and actress Keana Ledey for a deeply honest and heartfelt conversation.
Speaker 1: We talked about her journey with bipolar disorder, how she's
Speaker 1: learned to navigate her diagnosis with compassion, and the ways therapy,
Speaker 1: boundaries and connection have supported her along the way. We
Speaker 1: also explored the emotional world of her deluxe album Cut
Speaker 1: The Ties, and the themes of self love, closure, and
Speaker 1: transformation that run throughout the project. She opened up about
Speaker 1: the creative process behind her music, the tenderness requires to
Speaker 1: tell the truth about her experiences and what is means
Speaker 1: to heal while still being in the public eye. If
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Speaker 1: Here's our conversation. Thank you so much for joining us today, Kiana.
Speaker 2: Of course, thank you for having me. I'm so excited.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I love some story by hearing you talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about what do you feel like is
Speaker 1: most important for people to understand about you, both professionally
Speaker 1: and creatively at this moment in your life.
Speaker 2: I think the most important thing that people should know
Speaker 2: about me is that I'm figuring it out. I'm a
Speaker 2: human being, just like everybody else. And one of the
Speaker 2: things that I learned, and I know my mom has
Speaker 2: told me that she's learned, and like everybody learns as
Speaker 2: they get older, is that you don't know what you're doing,
Speaker 2: and you think that all these people that are older
Speaker 2: than you have the shit together. I just learn as
Speaker 2: I get older, the older I get, the less I know.
Speaker 2: So that bleeds into my professional life too, because I
Speaker 2: am my profession So not to judge me too much, please,
Speaker 2: I am really trying to figure it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I appreciate you saying that, because I
Speaker 1: think we're all figuring out. You're right, your mom is right,
Speaker 1: You're right, everybody's right, like we don't all know what
Speaker 1: we're doing. We're just going day by day trying to
Speaker 1: figure it out. But I think the interesting part of
Speaker 1: you know the work that you do in other artists
Speaker 1: is that you're figuring it out very publicly, right, you
Speaker 1: just did like, oh, don't judge me. So what kinds
Speaker 1: of things do you feel like help you to figure
Speaker 1: it out?
Speaker 2: I think the people that I surround myself with really helps.
Speaker 2: I have a partner that's really great, and my manager
Speaker 2: is amazing. I make sure to surround myself with people
Speaker 2: that I don't feel judged by and that have patience
Speaker 2: with me, I think is the most important part. There's
Speaker 2: patience and there's understanding because I'm learning so much more
Speaker 2: about myself every single day, and it's been interesting realizations
Speaker 2: and struggles that I've uncovered over the last couple of years.
Speaker 2: So being able to have a community that gives me
Speaker 2: grace is everything.
Speaker 1: Are there things in particular that you feel like people
Speaker 1: have been very judging about as it relates to you.
Speaker 2: So I did a mushroom trip the other day and
Speaker 2: I realized that I actually have this like deep fear
Speaker 2: of judgment even if people aren't judging me. I group
Speaker 2: doing pageants, so and I've been doing this since I
Speaker 2: was fourteen, so I'm used to the judgment and having
Speaker 2: people that are hyper critical, and I think I've taken
Speaker 2: that on as something that I am fearful of and
Speaker 2: things that I push on myself. So I'm major imposter syndrome,
Speaker 2: and so I don't even necessarily think it's other people
Speaker 2: judging me. I think I just have this extreme fear
Speaker 2: of judgment.
Speaker 1: H That makes a lot of sense, But also what
Speaker 1: bravery to feel that and still put yourself out there
Speaker 1: the way that you do through your artistry.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I feel like I have no choice. This
Speaker 2: is just clam so I help people enjoy it. I
Speaker 2: hope it's at least entertaining and at the very least
Speaker 2: right at the very least.
Speaker 1: So the name of your latest project is Cutting Ties,
Speaker 1: which I think is a very powerful title. What do
Speaker 1: you feel like you were cutting ties with in either
Speaker 1: your personal or professional life that led to that title.
Speaker 2: I was letting go of a lot of relationships, not
Speaker 2: just one, but a lot of relationships that were talks
Speaker 2: and a part of my life for eight years because
Speaker 2: I had so many changes in my environment and my
Speaker 2: mental health changed so much. I realized that longtime friends
Speaker 2: aren't forever friends. They don't have to be, and relationships
Speaker 2: can get really sticky and you can feel super stuck
Speaker 2: in them, but you don't have to stay stuck in them. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think as I was growing into myself, I grew
Speaker 2: more of a voice, and that meant that I might
Speaker 2: have to cut ties with people. I'm a super loving
Speaker 2: and understanding, non judgemental, open person, but once somebody crosses
Speaker 2: that line, I'm very unforgiving. And I think I've had
Speaker 2: to learn whether the unforgiving is being unforgiving or just
Speaker 2: not forgetting, and what the boundary is of being able
Speaker 2: to give people chances but also know when it's time
Speaker 2: to stop.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a conversation lots of people have
Speaker 1: been having around, you know, like when is it time
Speaker 1: to let go of a friend? How do you know?
Speaker 1: And I hear you saying that you know, you had
Speaker 1: some difficult conversations and then at some point realize, Okay,
Speaker 1: boundaries have been crossed and I have to choose myself
Speaker 1: in this case.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what on the deluxe album, Like, what did
Speaker 1: you feel like was left unsaid from the standard version
Speaker 1: of cutting ties to the deluxe version? What more were
Speaker 1: you able to say on the deluxe.
Speaker 2: Well, first, I mean, I'm just so happy with the
Speaker 2: people that came on to do the album. I love Queen,
Speaker 2: I love Chloe, I love Beja. They're all great people.
Speaker 2: I tried it just a big thing about me because
Speaker 2: I try to keep myself surrounded by really good, genuine people.
Speaker 2: And I loved having them on there because I loved
Speaker 2: working with them and they are amazing people. I think
Speaker 2: the last song that I have on there, called Jerry,
Speaker 2: is a song that was supposed to be on the
Speaker 2: next project that we have already finished, and it didn't
Speaker 2: quite make the cut, and my manager was like, this
Speaker 2: has to go somewhere, like we have to put it out,
Speaker 2: and it ended up being like the perfect transition song.
Speaker 2: I think you hear a lot of my mourning, almost
Speaker 2: like you see the love, you see the morning, and
Speaker 2: then you see when I start to set boundaries, and
Speaker 2: I think, now after the boundaries, I don't know about you,
Speaker 2: but I feel resentment coming after I put down the
Speaker 2: boundaries because I'm like, I gave you so many chances
Speaker 2: and I was so loyal and so genuine. I'm excited
Speaker 2: to show people more of the resentment feeling that they
Speaker 2: get from jury. Going into the next.
Speaker 1: Project, I found that the resentment is sometimes, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of times related to other people, but there's
Speaker 1: also some like resentment for myself, like when I have
Speaker 1: not oh, I stored myself right, Like is that a
Speaker 1: part of the process as well?
Speaker 2: Yes? Absolutely, I mean I shamed myself all the time,
Speaker 2: I think being a brown black girl, you know, dealing
Speaker 2: with mental health struggles my entire life, I've learned to
Speaker 2: shame myself. Really well, it's really hard to forgive yourself
Speaker 2: when you let people in and they let you down,
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And what's the process of forgiving yourself in because
Speaker 1: that has to happen. So what have the process been
Speaker 1: like for you?
Speaker 2: I think the biggest part of the process is understanding
Speaker 2: that I did the best I could with the tools
Speaker 2: I was given. My therapist says that to me all
Speaker 2: the time, giving myself grace, speaking to my therapist and
Speaker 2: really connecting with my inner child and realizing like I
Speaker 2: was given all of these tools that are not necessarily
Speaker 2: always useful or helpful, and one of those is like
Speaker 2: being self aware, but sometimes being painfully self aware and
Speaker 2: knowing when it's time to stop therapising myself and let
Speaker 2: my therapist guide me through that.
Speaker 1: That's such a hazard, right especially, I mean, you've talked
Speaker 1: very openly about your mental health journey, about your therapists,
Speaker 1: your experiences with multiple therapists, and so at some point
Speaker 1: you do have to realize like, Okay, I can just
Speaker 1: be a human, Like everything is not like a self
Speaker 1: assessment and picking myself apart.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 1: How do you feel like mixing your mental health journey
Speaker 1: with your creative journey? Like how has that shown up
Speaker 1: been your work?
Speaker 2: I had this realization the other day. When I was
Speaker 2: a kid growing up, it was a very toxic living situation,
Speaker 2: and I realized that I was just a really sad kid.
Speaker 2: I was dealing with depression. I remember like my first
Speaker 2: major depressive episode when I was like twelve. I realized
Speaker 2: that music was not the thing that made me happy.
Speaker 2: It's a thing that made me feel comfortable with being sad.
Speaker 2: And I've been taking that with me. You know, I
Speaker 2: go through different shifts in my journey, and I go
Speaker 2: down different packs and I learn more about myself, so
Speaker 2: my music just but I think the thing that remains
Speaker 2: the same is my authenticity. When it comes to the
Speaker 2: sad music. Those are the things that make me feel
Speaker 2: the best. They feel good when I'm performing them. It
Speaker 2: makes people cry, and it makes me cry, and then
Speaker 2: being super honest about my mental health, being honest about
Speaker 2: my sexual abuse, Like all these things are the only
Speaker 2: things that make me feel comfortable in music still, So yeah,
Speaker 2: I think being super vulnerable and open and genuine is
Speaker 2: the thing that makes me feel like the music matters more.
Speaker 1: From our conversation after the break, So what has it
Speaker 1: been like as an artist living with a bipolar disorder.
Speaker 2: I think the thing that I've struggled with the most
Speaker 2: is I take everything very personally, and I think that's
Speaker 2: a huge trigger for my bipolar And I also don't
Speaker 2: have a lot of time where I can sit and
Speaker 2: check in with myself. Having basically zero time for so
Speaker 2: many years just working my ass off in a very
Speaker 2: inconsistent and unpredictable environment made me not take care of
Speaker 2: my mental health and not understand what was going on.
Speaker 2: But when I got on medication, I was really scared
Speaker 2: to get on medication because I was like, it's going
Speaker 2: to take away my creativity. I think that's a huge
Speaker 2: struggle too. I think I was in denial for years
Speaker 2: about what was going on because I was like, I
Speaker 2: didn't I don't want it to take away my drive.
Speaker 2: I don't want it to take away my creativity because
Speaker 2: a lot of the music that I wrote that I
Speaker 2: felt the best about came from sadness, but it ended
Speaker 2: up making the music better because I wasn't dealing with
Speaker 2: all these extra thoughts. I think the bipolar magnified even
Speaker 2: more my fear of judgment because I had a lot
Speaker 2: of really negative, downspiraling messages I was telling myself constantly,
Speaker 2: so hearing negative things and then telling myself negative things
Speaker 2: on top of that constantly. It became really tough. There were,
Speaker 2: of course, what I thought were great moments at the
Speaker 2: time when I felt like I was on top of
Speaker 2: the world in my career, and I felt like I
Speaker 2: was on top of the world personally. You know, mania
Speaker 2: is a very real thing, and if you're bipolari to
Speaker 2: understand mania, feels amazing at the time, and then you
Speaker 2: realize that there's a huge crash and that was affecting
Speaker 2: my health a lot when I was having rough times
Speaker 2: in my career and rough times mentally. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's I think the unpredictability in general and my fear
Speaker 2: of judgment were the hardest things to deal with. For sure.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you sharing so honestly about your fears about
Speaker 1: taking medication, because I think it is a huge thing
Speaker 1: for people who are creative, right, like, how is this
Speaker 1: going to change my creativity? Am I gonna be the same?
Speaker 1: What kinds of things helped you to confront that fear
Speaker 1: and to become okay with taking the medication.
Speaker 2: So I had a couple people tell me that I
Speaker 2: was bipolar for years since I was twenty, And then
Speaker 2: when I was twenty twenty three or twenty four, there
Speaker 2: was a song I wrote about depression called Heavy, and
Speaker 2: I had Jennifer Lewis, who's really open about her mental
Speaker 2: health struggles, on the song. I took a clip from
Speaker 2: a podcast that she did that my mom had sent me,
Speaker 2: and I asked to put it on a song, and
Speaker 2: she asked to meet with me. So I went to
Speaker 2: her house and I was talking to her and I
Speaker 2: was just telling her what I was going through and
Speaker 2: she was like, bit your bipolar And I was like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm not. She was like, yes you are. And she's
Speaker 2: also bi polar, and she was like, yes you are.
Speaker 2: She told me to read her book and call her
Speaker 2: as soon as I'm finished, and that she's not going
Speaker 2: to reach out to me because I'm not going to
Speaker 2: change until I'm ready. I'm not going to look for
Speaker 2: help until I'm ready. And I hadn't had a therapist
Speaker 2: yet that I trusted and I didn't call her, so
Speaker 2: I was in denial for sure. And I had another
Speaker 2: therapist before that was white, and I felt like she
Speaker 2: didn't really understand family dynamics, so she couldn't really understand me,
Speaker 2: and she didn't understand my experience. And then a couple
Speaker 2: of years later, I ended up being referred to a
Speaker 2: black female therapist and that changed everything. The way that
Speaker 2: she approached things was also very different, Like she asked me,
Speaker 2: what would you do if I told you you were
Speaker 2: bit polar? And I think at that point I was
Speaker 2: so low and being told by somebody I felt super
Speaker 2: comfortable with and I trusted, my mind started to open
Speaker 2: up a little more and I just said, I think
Speaker 2: I just laughed, Like anytime she tells me something, I
Speaker 2: just laughed. How to respond to it? It's like when comfortable,
Speaker 2: you know, nervous anxious response, I guess. And when I
Speaker 2: accepted the diagnosis, she kind of was like trying to
Speaker 2: help me figure out how to manage things without medication,
Speaker 2: but I think at some point I was just so
Speaker 2: desperate to feel better, and she helped me get into
Speaker 2: this mindset of like, am I gonna live like this forever?
Speaker 2: Or would I rather just try something because I have
Speaker 2: nothing to lose. And that put me into a very
Speaker 2: vulnerable space that I was really scared to be in,
Speaker 2: but also opened my mind, and she referred me to
Speaker 2: a psychiatrist, and then I had my first conversation. It
Speaker 2: felt like I was breaking the seal, like I was
Speaker 2: just like, all right, let's try it. Let's see what happens.
Speaker 2: And I know I can get off of it if
Speaker 2: I need to, but I might as well just try
Speaker 2: something because there are no other options at this point.
Speaker 2: I'm either gonna just live like this forever or try
Speaker 2: to change something in some way. So yeah, then I
Speaker 2: tried the first medication, and I had to realize also
Speaker 2: that it was going to take a couple tries. Just
Speaker 2: like a therapist, you have to find the one that fits.
Speaker 2: And took me a while, but I'm finally on something
Speaker 2: on a couple few different pills that make me feel
Speaker 2: comfortable and like I can live my life day to day.
Speaker 2: And it was so magical. It really felt like magic.
Speaker 2: Like I had lived my whole life having these negative
Speaker 2: voices in my head things I was telling myself, and
Speaker 2: I would look at it's hard to explain to people
Speaker 2: that don't have bipolar. I would look at a tree
Speaker 2: and I would be like, Wow, that tree is so beautiful.
Speaker 2: Oh the leaves are falling off. Oh it's fall Oh
Speaker 2: my god, I'm going to die like it spiraled so fast,
Speaker 2: And that was my whole life. I lived my whole
Speaker 2: life like that. So when things started to change and
Speaker 2: my brain wasn't doing that, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: this is magic. And it just made me want to
Speaker 2: keep searching for answers and yeah, and find different tools
Speaker 2: and ways that my brain could live a healthier life.
Speaker 2: And I'm so grateful I did that. So just breaking
Speaker 2: that seal and finding somebody that is that you're comfortable
Speaker 2: with talking to and that you respect getting that advice from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really glad that you found a treatment plan
Speaker 1: that has been working for you, because I know that
Speaker 1: that can be rough, right when you're trying lots of
Speaker 1: different medications, trying different things and you finally find the
Speaker 1: thing that works for you. Great, So I know. One
Speaker 1: of the things that is also really important for people
Speaker 1: who live with bipolar disorders is to have practices in
Speaker 1: terms of like staying grounded, sleep, hygien like, all of
Speaker 1: these things that kind of help you to kind of
Speaker 1: stay structured. What kinds of practices have you incorporated into
Speaker 1: your routine that helps to support your mental health.
Speaker 2: I definitely don't do enough. I know that there's more
Speaker 2: and more I could do. You know, what's really difficult
Speaker 2: is being in the moment and remembering the tools that
Speaker 2: you have. When you've dear life for so long, just
Speaker 2: trying to survive and be a warrior, it's really hard
Speaker 2: to remember the things that will help you. And I
Speaker 2: think the biggest thing when I've had really bad panic attacks,
Speaker 2: one of the coolest things and the biggest thing that's
Speaker 2: helped me is putting my hands or my face in
Speaker 2: a bowl of ice. That's super helpful, just shocking your
Speaker 2: nervous system and making you calm down. Another thing is
Speaker 2: the tapping. I love tapping. It is really calm and
Speaker 2: you don't even realize it's working until you're already calmed down.
Speaker 2: Since I'm not the best at using the tools all
Speaker 2: the time, those are great emergency tools that I use
Speaker 2: for when I'm not in the best space. But I
Speaker 2: know I can be better for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean we all can. We all can, right, Like,
Speaker 1: there's always other things we can be doing, but I
Speaker 1: appreciate you sharing those. So what kind of things have
Speaker 1: you refused to compromise on in terms of growing as
Speaker 1: an artist?
Speaker 2: I refuse to compromise on my morals. I have not
Speaker 2: worked with people. Damn, I've gotten in trouble before publicly
Speaker 2: for saying things like this, But I have not worked
Speaker 2: with people that I don't agree with their politics or
Speaker 2: I don't agree with how they treated women, black women,
Speaker 2: women of color, LGBTQIA plus community. I go hard when
Speaker 2: it comes to things that are political or things that
Speaker 2: seem political that should not be political, and refuse to
Speaker 2: compromise on that. I think there are a lot of
Speaker 2: people that I could work with that would help my career,
Speaker 2: but I just refuse to invite them into my space,
Speaker 2: Like that's cool whatever they're doing. They're doing, but my
Speaker 2: audience comes to this space, this music space that I
Speaker 2: created and my team have created where they feel comfortable,
Speaker 2: they can be vulnerable and be their authentic selves. I
Speaker 2: never want people that are listening to my music to
Speaker 2: feel like they don't belong. So those people just don't
Speaker 2: belong in my space, and I refuse to compromise on there.
Speaker 1: More from our conversation after the break, has anything surprised
Speaker 1: you about the way that your fans have reacted to
Speaker 1: your most recent work?
Speaker 2: You know what, No, they support me no matter what,
Speaker 2: and I'm so grateful for them. I feel like I
Speaker 2: could put out us oh horrible song. I mean, I
Speaker 2: have put out some horrible songs in my opinion, and
Speaker 2: they love them. So yeah. I feel like they always
Speaker 2: find a reason why things make sense for them to
Speaker 2: listen to any song I put out, and it makes
Speaker 2: them feel heard in some way. So yeah, I'm not
Speaker 2: surprised at all. I think some of the songs that
Speaker 2: they cling on to the most maybe I'm surprised about,
Speaker 2: but I'm not surprised that they love it because they
Speaker 2: always have my back, so it's really sweet to them.
Speaker 2: I love them so much.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: So what advice would you have for other young women
Speaker 1: of color who maybe are coming up in the entertainment
Speaker 1: industry wanting to maintain their sense of autonomy and you know,
Speaker 1: kind of stick to their values in terms of what's
Speaker 1: important to them.
Speaker 2: The best advice I can give, and I always give this,
Speaker 2: But it doesn't matter because no matter how many people
Speaker 2: it reaches, or how many people hear it, or how
Speaker 2: many times they needed to hear it, it matters. No,
Speaker 2: it's not a bad word. I grew up thinking that
Speaker 2: everybody else in the room is smarter than me, has
Speaker 2: better ideas than me, and that put me in some
Speaker 2: really vulnerable spaces. And I always felt like, because everybody
Speaker 2: else is smarter than me or knows more than me,
Speaker 2: me saying no or having an opinion is bad. It
Speaker 2: felt like the worst thing I could possibly do, especially
Speaker 2: being a younger person in all these rooms and a
Speaker 2: lot of times with grown men. So yeah, I would say,
Speaker 2: your ideas are as important, your autonomy is as important,
Speaker 2: your mental health is as important as anybody else is
Speaker 2: in the room. No, it's just a word. It's not
Speaker 2: a bad word. You can say.
Speaker 1: No, what do you feel like? Is one thing? You
Speaker 1: want more people to know about what it means to
Speaker 1: live with a bipolar disorder.
Speaker 2: That or not just difficult or overly emotional or dramatic
Speaker 2: I've lived my life being a very sensitive person and
Speaker 2: an empathetic person, and I think sometimes how deeply I
Speaker 2: feel things has been maybe misconstrued as me being dramatic,
Speaker 2: and then it also caused me at times to shut
Speaker 2: down and not share my thoughts or feelings, and then
Speaker 2: you know, I would be spiraling and having all these
Speaker 2: negative thoughts to myself and not know how to escape
Speaker 2: it because of I guess the shame that I felt
Speaker 2: to be feeling things so deeply or being labeled dramatic.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I would just say being more understanding and
Speaker 2: realizing that a lot of people with bipolar do feel
Speaker 2: things deeply, which is a blessing, but you know, it's
Speaker 2: also something that we struggle with and it's not just
Speaker 2: something to be like joked about or judged. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I would say, us feeling things deeply is beautiful. But
Speaker 2: but we're not just being dramatic. There's more going on.
Speaker 1: So what do you feel like your fans in the
Speaker 1: greater community can expect from you? You've already taken us
Speaker 1: on these depths of vulnerability with cutting ties. Where can
Speaker 1: we expect you to take us next?
Speaker 2: There's a lot of anger I need to get out.
Speaker 2: A lot of my music is like really telling people off,
Speaker 2: but I think there is an even darker side to me.
Speaker 2: Like I love boxing because I feel like it's one
Speaker 2: of the outlets I have that allows me to just
Speaker 2: like fuck some shit up. You know, I'm allowing that
Speaker 2: to come into my music. I fell out of love
Speaker 2: with music for a while, and I think a way
Speaker 2: to find myself back into loving music was bringing this
Speaker 2: dark side and this love I have for like horror
Speaker 2: and creepy things. And I was able to inject that
Speaker 2: a little bit into cut Ties. But this next era,
Speaker 2: I want people to really be able to see the
Speaker 2: true darkness and horror come out. So that's probably the
Speaker 2: most information I've given about this next era. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I can't wait to show people a darker and even
Speaker 2: angrier side that I just need to let out in
Speaker 2: the music. So I don't do a hander life.
Speaker 1: Thank you. We definitely want you to keep it on
Speaker 1: the music. So one last question, what's a lyric from
Speaker 1: cut Ties that you feel like is the most honest
Speaker 1: version of you?
Speaker 2: Ooh, excuse me while I get a little wholesome. I'm
Speaker 2: not used to this emotion. Whenever I've been in like
Speaker 2: vulnerable and like lovely sweet situations. I make things very
Speaker 2: difficult and I try to make it easier for the
Speaker 2: other person to run, and if they don't, I run
Speaker 2: because I'm a very anxious, avoyant, attachment person. So yeah,
Speaker 2: feeling nice emotions is like something that makes me want
Speaker 2: to throw up, but I've tried to it a little
Speaker 2: bit more. My partner is like the kindest person and
Speaker 2: is always willing to give more and more, and yeah,
Speaker 2: I couldn't ask for a better partner. And when we
Speaker 2: first started talking, I was like, he was just being
Speaker 2: so nice and acts of service is his first love language.
Speaker 2: And I was just like, I'm so scared that you're
Speaker 2: love following me right now. And I was just open
Speaker 2: about it, like I was. He was like you, I'm
Speaker 2: scared that you're love flling me, and he was like,
Speaker 2: I understand that. And I think part of that was
Speaker 2: my guard up of being like I can't be emotional,
Speaker 2: I can't be vulnerable. I don't want to let this
Speaker 2: person in. But the more I let him in, the
Speaker 2: more I fell in love and realized that he loved
Speaker 2: me genuinely too, and wasn't trying to use me you
Speaker 2: love v on me, So yeah, I think I think
Speaker 2: there's a funny part to that and also very deep parts.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I would say that lyric.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good one. Well, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for spending some time with us today, Keanu. Please let
Speaker 1: us know where can we stay connected with you? What
Speaker 1: is your website as well as any social media channels
Speaker 1: you'd like to share?
Speaker 2: Yeah, everything is at Kanalladay ki A, NA L E
Speaker 2: D E. And then Keanalladay dot com. I think is
Speaker 2: my website. If not, you can find it on Instagram. Perfect.
Speaker 1: Well, we should include that in our show notes. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much, great, thank you. I'm so glad Keana
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