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Speaker 1: Hey, y'all, thanks so much for joining me for another

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Speaker 1: episode of Therapy for Black Girls University. We'll get right

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Speaker 1: into our conversation afterword from our sponsors. For this episode,

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Speaker 1: I have the pleasure of sitting down with singer, songwriter

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Speaker 1: and actress Keana Ledey for a deeply honest and heartfelt conversation.

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Speaker 1: We talked about her journey with bipolar disorder, how she's

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Speaker 1: learned to navigate her diagnosis with compassion, and the ways therapy,

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Speaker 1: boundaries and connection have supported her along the way. We

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Speaker 1: also explored the emotional world of her deluxe album Cut

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Speaker 1: The Ties, and the themes of self love, closure, and

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Speaker 1: transformation that run throughout the project. She opened up about

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Speaker 1: the creative process behind her music, the tenderness requires to

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Speaker 1: tell the truth about her experiences and what is means

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Speaker 1: to heal while still being in the public eye. If

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Speaker 1: something resonates with you while enjoying our conversation, please share

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Speaker 1: with us on social media using the hashtag TBG in Session.

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Speaker 1: Here's our conversation. Thank you so much for joining us today, Kiana.

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Speaker 2: Of course, thank you for having me. I'm so excited.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I love some story by hearing you talk

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Speaker 1: a little bit about what do you feel like is

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Speaker 1: most important for people to understand about you, both professionally

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Speaker 1: and creatively at this moment in your life.

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Speaker 2: I think the most important thing that people should know

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Speaker 2: about me is that I'm figuring it out. I'm a

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Speaker 2: human being, just like everybody else. And one of the

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Speaker 2: things that I learned, and I know my mom has

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Speaker 2: told me that she's learned, and like everybody learns as

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Speaker 2: they get older, is that you don't know what you're doing,

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Speaker 2: and you think that all these people that are older

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Speaker 2: than you have the shit together. I just learn as

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Speaker 2: I get older, the older I get, the less I know.

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Speaker 2: So that bleeds into my professional life too, because I

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Speaker 2: am my profession So not to judge me too much, please,

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Speaker 2: I am really trying to figure it out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I appreciate you saying that, because I

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Speaker 1: think we're all figuring out. You're right, your mom is right,

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Speaker 1: You're right, everybody's right, like we don't all know what

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Speaker 1: we're doing. We're just going day by day trying to

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Speaker 1: figure it out. But I think the interesting part of

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Speaker 1: you know the work that you do in other artists

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Speaker 1: is that you're figuring it out very publicly, right, you

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Speaker 1: just did like, oh, don't judge me. So what kinds

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Speaker 1: of things do you feel like help you to figure

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Speaker 2: I think the people that I surround myself with really helps.

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Speaker 2: I have a partner that's really great, and my manager

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Speaker 2: is amazing. I make sure to surround myself with people

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Speaker 2: that I don't feel judged by and that have patience

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Speaker 2: about myself every single day, and it's been interesting realizations

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Speaker 2: and struggles that I've uncovered over the last couple of years.

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Speaker 2: So being able to have a community that gives me

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Speaker 2: grace is everything.

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Speaker 1: Are there things in particular that you feel like people

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Speaker 2: So I did a mushroom trip the other day and

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Speaker 2: I realized that I actually have this like deep fear

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Speaker 2: things that I push on myself. So I'm major imposter syndrome,

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Speaker 1: H That makes a lot of sense, But also what

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Speaker 1: the way that you do through your artistry.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I feel like I have no choice. This

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Speaker 1: So the name of your latest project is Cutting Ties,

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Speaker 1: which I think is a very powerful title. What do

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Speaker 2: I was letting go of a lot of relationships, not

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Speaker 2: I had so many changes in my environment and my

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Speaker 2: I think as I was growing into myself, I grew

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Speaker 1: I feel like that's a conversation lots of people have

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Speaker 1: And I hear you saying that you know, you had

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So what on the deluxe album, Like, what did

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Speaker 2: Well, first, I mean, I'm just so happy with the

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Speaker 2: people that came on to do the album. I love Queen,

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Speaker 2: I love Chloe, I love Beja. They're all great people.

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Speaker 2: I tried it just a big thing about me because

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Speaker 2: I try to keep myself surrounded by really good, genuine people.

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Speaker 2: And I loved having them on there because I loved

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Speaker 2: the last song that I have on there, called Jerry,

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Speaker 2: is a song that was supposed to be on the

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Speaker 2: next project that we have already finished, and it didn't

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Speaker 2: and it ended up being like the perfect transition song.

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Speaker 2: I think you hear a lot of my mourning, almost

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Speaker 2: like you see the love, you see the morning, and

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Speaker 2: then you see when I start to set boundaries, and

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Speaker 2: I think, now after the boundaries, I don't know about you,

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Speaker 2: but I feel resentment coming after I put down the

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Speaker 2: and I was so loyal and so genuine. I'm excited

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Speaker 1: Project, I found that the resentment is sometimes, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yes? Absolutely, I mean I shamed myself all the time,

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Speaker 2: shame myself. Really well, it's really hard to forgive yourself

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And what's the process of forgiving yourself in because

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Speaker 2: I think the biggest part of the process is understanding

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Speaker 2: that I did the best I could with the tools

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Speaker 2: I was given. My therapist says that to me all

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Speaker 2: the time, giving myself grace, speaking to my therapist and

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Speaker 2: really connecting with my inner child and realizing like I

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Speaker 2: was given all of these tools that are not necessarily

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Speaker 2: being self aware, but sometimes being painfully self aware and

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Speaker 1: That's such a hazard, right especially, I mean, you've talked

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Speaker 1: very openly about your mental health journey, about your therapists,

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Speaker 1: your experiences with multiple therapists, and so at some point

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Speaker 1: you do have to realize like, Okay, I can just

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Speaker 1: How do you feel like mixing your mental health journey

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Speaker 2: I had this realization the other day. When I was

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Speaker 2: and I realized that I was just a really sad kid.

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Speaker 2: I was dealing with depression. I remember like my first

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Speaker 2: But when I got on medication, I was really scared

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Speaker 2: on top of that constantly. It became really tough. There were,

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Speaker 2: I refuse to compromise on my morals. I have not

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of anger I need to get out.

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Speaker 2: because I'm a very anxious, avoyant, attachment person. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: bit more. My partner is like the kindest person and

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Speaker 2: is always willing to give more and more, and yeah,

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Speaker 2: I couldn't ask for a better partner. And when we

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Speaker 2: And I was just like, I'm so scared that you're

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Speaker 2: about it, like I was. He was like you, I'm

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Speaker 2: scared that you're love flling me, and he was like,

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Speaker 2: I understand that. And I think part of that was

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Speaker 2: my guard up of being like I can't be emotional,

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Speaker 2: I can't be vulnerable. I don't want to let this

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Speaker 2: person in. But the more I let him in, the

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Speaker 2: more I fell in love and realized that he loved

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Speaker 2: me genuinely too, and wasn't trying to use me you

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Speaker 2: love v on me, So yeah, I think I think

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Speaker 2: there's a funny part to that and also very deep parts.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I would say that lyric.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good one. Well, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for spending some time with us today, Keanu. Please let

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Speaker 1: us know where can we stay connected with you? What

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Speaker 1: is your website as well as any social media channels

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Speaker 1: you'd like to share?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everything is at Kanalladay ki A, NA L E

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Speaker 2: D E. And then Keanalladay dot com. I think is

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Speaker 2: my website. If not, you can find it on Instagram. Perfect.

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Speaker 1: Well, we should include that in our show notes. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much, great, thank you. I'm so glad Keana

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