Speaker 1: Wine Down with Janet Kramer and I Heart Radio podcast
Speaker 1: three to one. Hi, everybody heard that. That is the weirdest,
Speaker 1: by the way, that's like so embarrassing when you're like
Speaker 1: that happens and you are like, I don't know, getting
Speaker 1: a massage, or you're at the and like a weird
Speaker 1: like you get like a weird gurgle noise, or like
Speaker 1: you're on a date and it's like everybody heard it
Speaker 1: just happened. Sorry, I just had like a throat happened,
Speaker 1: I think, come out of my mouth. Um, Hi, Cat, Hi,
Speaker 1: how are you doing? Uh well, I'm better than I
Speaker 1: was last night? Or a Catherine walked into it was
Speaker 1: a little bit of a Mintain mental meltdown, completely, a
Speaker 1: complete mental breakdown I had last night, and M I
Speaker 1: don't think I you know, because I was trying to
Speaker 1: think too when the last time I cried was it's
Speaker 1: been a minute since I've cried, like for me, So
Speaker 1: it's been like more than a week, Okay, Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been like a couple of weeks, which is you know,
Speaker 1: actually maybe it's even been longer than that. I think.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think I've had a good cry
Speaker 1: for probably m M. I'd say two and a half months.
Speaker 1: I haven't had a good cry in a minute. That
Speaker 1: was a good cry, and she was witnessed to a
Speaker 1: good cry. I just it was, Um, I feel like
Speaker 1: this season right now is kind of busy, you know.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I don't honestly know when this one shoots, this,
Speaker 1: when this one airs, but like I'm going to film
Speaker 1: a movie. Um, just got a lot going on with
Speaker 1: the holidays and kids birthdays and work and um just
Speaker 1: you know, wrapping up things for the year, and it's
Speaker 1: just a lot. And then you know we're going to
Speaker 1: wind down in l A. And so when I don't
Speaker 1: have the when I'm gone, my ex has the kids.
Speaker 1: And then when I'm home, like I don't have a
Speaker 1: minute to like myself, and so I think you yeah,
Speaker 1: you're like, hey, reminder for you know, these proofs for
Speaker 1: content stuff. And it's like I've been going until pretty
Speaker 1: much bedtime and then still having to work, and I
Speaker 1: just was like I just needed a break and I'm
Speaker 1: trying to like do my proofs and Jason's wanting to
Speaker 1: come into my bed and he's crying, and I'm just
Speaker 1: like I had that like mom, moment where I felt
Speaker 1: terrible too, because I was just like, dude, I just
Speaker 1: like stop, you know, I'm because I'm just like I'm
Speaker 1: exhausted and I want to get this done so I
Speaker 1: can go to bed. And he's crying and like, you're
Speaker 1: coming over to do next photos, and I was like,
Speaker 1: just be prepared, you're gonna walk in. And when when
Speaker 1: you came in, I mean, I just like, I'm just
Speaker 1: glad I had a heads up. Oh yeah, I appreciate
Speaker 1: the heads up. I took a minute in the car
Speaker 1: before I walked in. I was like, let's go, we
Speaker 1: got this. Yeah, and you walked in and I just like,
Speaker 1: I mean it was like ugly snots. Yeah, it was pretty.
Speaker 1: I think it's just, you know, it's hard to I
Speaker 1: mean I think it's it's just it's good to like
Speaker 1: let it all out. But you said something today that
Speaker 1: I thought was kind of interesting. I just, for the
Speaker 1: first time in a long time, I felt like the
Speaker 1: guy watching the girl like have just like a complete
Speaker 1: breakdown that doesn't even make sense. I mean, you's made sense,
Speaker 1: but you know, you know, the guy feels like it
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. It definitely made sense, but you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of times the guys like what's happening, but
Speaker 1: you know, you want to fix it, And so I
Speaker 1: felt that that moment. I'm like, shoot, I want I'm
Speaker 1: like the guy that just wants to fix it, but
Speaker 1: I just need to listen to just like shut up
Speaker 1: and listen, you know. So I just felt like that.
Speaker 1: But and I think to like you were trying to
Speaker 1: come up with solutions, and I'm like, yeah, it's and
Speaker 1: this is where I'm like, this is where I get
Speaker 1: like it's hard not having a partner for help. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like I have I've got laundry up to my chin,
Speaker 1: I've got you know, work, and and and I'm got
Speaker 1: a kid that sleeps in my bed, and like I'm
Speaker 1: just it just becomes a breaking point and it's just
Speaker 1: like I just and I kind of felt it during
Speaker 1: that day to where I was just like I could
Speaker 1: sense my on gluing and Sarah Bryce said something, she goes,
Speaker 1: you're good, and I was like, at that one of
Speaker 1: our like rights, and I'm like, no, girl, I'm not
Speaker 1: like I'm starting to ses well, you look at on
Speaker 1: Instagram and I was like, because everything on Instagram is
Speaker 1: just like I'm not going to go on there and
Speaker 1: like cry like you know, it's like, yeah, it's social media,
Speaker 1: that's what it does. So but then like I'm not
Speaker 1: going to film me having a massive and mental breakdown.
Speaker 1: But like I just know that the day that I
Speaker 1: was in that songwriting and I was doing that song,
Speaker 1: I was bent over wailing into my like into my
Speaker 1: sink and just like feel the drops of the tears
Speaker 1: like coming down at my foot because I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I was like ugly cry and then I'm
Speaker 1: like getting poor Catherine. She just she's like, well, what
Speaker 1: if we do this? I'm like I can't. I can't.
Speaker 1: I just like, why don't you pay something? Like I
Speaker 1: cant I'm broke. I was like, or I'm like I
Speaker 1: don't want to pay someone like because I'm like I
Speaker 1: got it. I'm just like I think I just needed
Speaker 1: to cry and let it out because in this morning,
Speaker 1: well even no, even last night. Oh yeah, like when
Speaker 1: we were walking, I'm good, Yeah you just had a
Speaker 1: good cry, were good? Button it up? Yeah? All good.
Speaker 1: But I mean I will say, obviously the manager comes
Speaker 1: out of me where I'm like, Okay, we're gonna come
Speaker 1: up with solutions We're gonna make this more manageable, you know,
Speaker 1: because it's it's a lot. You know, it does get
Speaker 1: to be a lot for sure, But in that moment,
Speaker 1: I just need to listen. Yeah. Um, And I I
Speaker 1: did end up calling my ex last night and I
Speaker 1: was just like, because we have we've shoot coming up,
Speaker 1: and I was just like please, like I need help,
Speaker 1: like I need like I need to sleep tonight before
Speaker 1: the shoot. Um. And so he was able to so
Speaker 1: I have I have a night off so I'll get
Speaker 1: a double in a row. Good. Yeah, which I'm just like,
Speaker 1: thank you. So I have something I want to talk about.
Speaker 1: It involves the guests that we have today. Okay, so
Speaker 1: let's take a break and then I'll chat about it.
Speaker 1: All right. So we have Megan King coming on the
Speaker 1: show today and she is a housewife. What what she
Speaker 1: was on? She was on one? I never saw which
Speaker 1: one she was on. Um, I think she was for
Speaker 1: a short time. Yeah, because her husband she was on
Speaker 1: Orange County Okay, yeah, I don't County and her husband
Speaker 1: cheated on her. Okay. So she's got any podcasts all
Speaker 1: right now? And I'm kind of we were cordial and
Speaker 1: that cordial as she said we were like acquaintances on
Speaker 1: Instagram because of how um the situations of like our
Speaker 1: or whatever. So we just kind of related to that, right,
Speaker 1: stories are similar, Yeah, stories are very similar. Um. Lots
Speaker 1: of just like you know, you got this, you're strong, whatever,
Speaker 1: and you know, she'll she was. She would ask me
Speaker 1: questions about like, um, uh, you know, narcissist stuff and
Speaker 1: having narcissus X and YadA YadA, and talking about you
Speaker 1: know things whatever. Um. And there was something that she
Speaker 1: said in our d MS that really bothered me. Okay
Speaker 1: and call me out, okay, please, okay, but it just
Speaker 1: irked me and we haven't spoken since that. And then
Speaker 1: I saw that she was going to be the guests
Speaker 1: on Today's run Down, and I had like a do
Speaker 1: I address it? Do I let it go? Because it's
Speaker 1: not like okay, let me just well just again, I
Speaker 1: might be just sensitive to it. And again, call me
Speaker 1: out if you think I'm being like a stupid girl,
Speaker 1: that's fine. I just would have never okay, okay. So
Speaker 1: we were basically talking about how her ex gym is
Speaker 1: making things difficult for her UM, and I agreed with
Speaker 1: the yes, like you know, my ax as well will
Speaker 1: be like you know how it's like, how did they
Speaker 1: hate us when they were the ones that blew our
Speaker 1: lives blewe lives up right, but yet they somehow find
Speaker 1: a way to make us feel like they hate us
Speaker 1: or whatever. You know. So we're kind of talking about that,
Speaker 1: um and she goes, um, it's like he's she she
Speaker 1: was talking about her ex, like he's like he's a
Speaker 1: man child. At least your ex is hot, mine looks
Speaker 1: like or whatever. And I said, my ex is in
Speaker 1: my mind, I'm like, my ex isn't. Like I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I would never say at least your ex hot. So
Speaker 1: and I go, I'm sorry. That kind of bothered me.
Speaker 1: I would never say your ex is hot, especially knowing
Speaker 1: how much you hurt you. Anyways, have a great day.
Speaker 1: And that's the last I've communicated with her because I
Speaker 1: would never knowing that like what her ex did to her,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, well, least he was hot, first of all,
Speaker 1: what is being hot have to do with it? Second
Speaker 1: of all, like it almost is like she took away
Speaker 1: like I don't know. It just really bothered me for
Speaker 1: some reason. I think I'm not understanding the context. I mean,
Speaker 1: not the context, but like what was her point? And
Speaker 1: at least he was hot, because I like it last
Speaker 1: he was a good she goes um, that's only it's
Speaker 1: like he's a manchia. At least your ex is hot.
Speaker 1: Mine looks like a clown. Uh okay. Knowing that, I
Speaker 1: think she was just trying to compare and basically say
Speaker 1: that hers was not cute. But what does like they
Speaker 1: both were cheating a holes? I mean, looks should have
Speaker 1: nothing to do with it. At least she is hot,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I would just never like because to me,
Speaker 1: when a man disrespects a woman, you ain't hot. Ever,
Speaker 1: you're done. Like I've dated some very attractive men. The
Speaker 1: second you lie to me, you are the ugliest human
Speaker 1: in a room to me. Or cheat you are ugly
Speaker 1: to me, And I would never be like, well, Leasie
Speaker 1: was hot, and it's like, no, the hotness has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with it, like the looks like does it
Speaker 1: bother you though? Because you just don't want to see
Speaker 1: him as hot. I don't look at my ex and
Speaker 1: have any attraction towards me? What is that? Why it bothers?
Speaker 1: You know? It bothers me because I think it's like
Speaker 1: it takes away like who he like? Who all the hurt?
Speaker 1: Like to I'm like, Welicie was hot. I'm like, it's
Speaker 1: like she devalue or it's like she took away the
Speaker 1: Um Okay, It's like saying an abuser is hot, well
Speaker 1: at least he was hot. Well he abused me right
Speaker 1: right right right now that that man was abusive, but
Speaker 1: at least he was hot. What. So that's how I
Speaker 1: can kind of like take the inside because I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, this man was emotionally or mentally or whatever abusive,
Speaker 1: And I would never say, well, at Leasie was hot.
Speaker 1: What That just then just makes it be like so
Speaker 1: then I don't know, it just bothers me. I see
Speaker 1: now your point now that you compare it to that,
Speaker 1: But to me, it doesn't sound it sounds like a
Speaker 1: misuse of Like it doesn't feel intentional. I don't think
Speaker 1: that she meant it in the way that you're taking it.
Speaker 1: I understand why you take it that way though, but
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like she was trying to be like
Speaker 1: that to me. Yeah, because you know, it's like you know,
Speaker 1: when you break it's like a girl thing. It's like
Speaker 1: you want to break out something, so you're not gonna
Speaker 1: talk bad about the guy, but you're not going to
Speaker 1: talk about like his looks or like you just you
Speaker 1: don't talk about him. I don't know, you just you
Speaker 1: don't say anything. I agree with that, Yes, like I
Speaker 1: wouldn't ever say Mike was hot, like that's not going
Speaker 1: to happen. But I think she was more that. I
Speaker 1: think that was more about her and her exci and
Speaker 1: it was you, yeah, that's what I think. Well, she
Speaker 1: ended up responding back and I never responded back. When
Speaker 1: this was back in February, She's like, sorry, Jann, I
Speaker 1: was trying to lighten it up. I thought he was
Speaker 1: a good looking guy when I saw him on your feet.
Speaker 1: I was trying to find a silver lining. But I'm
Speaker 1: like that, like he ruined my life and that that
Speaker 1: sounds very pragmatic. He ruined my family, and like I'm
Speaker 1: not going to ever look at him as like this
Speaker 1: hot guy. At least he was hot and like that
Speaker 1: his looks we're like are nothing like that's that's like
Speaker 1: the lowest, like what I would have said. At least
Speaker 1: you have beautiful children. That's the silver lining, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: I hear you, and I agree. I just don't. I
Speaker 1: think you're reading more into it. For sure, I don't
Speaker 1: like it. It's like calling. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: you have the right to feel that way about what
Speaker 1: she said. It doesn't feel like she had bad intentions.
Speaker 1: But I hear what you're saying and I understand that,
Speaker 1: and I feel like a lot of people would take
Speaker 1: it that way. But again, I just don't think she
Speaker 1: was really thinking through what she said. Yeah, so it
Speaker 1: is the question, now do we address it? Well, I
Speaker 1: know she's in the waiting room, and I just like,
Speaker 1: I don't, like, do you do I do I say something?
Speaker 1: And like we just avoid like the well, you know me,
Speaker 1: we have this conversation. I'm a like, let's address it
Speaker 1: and move on kind of person. But I don't know,
Speaker 1: or do we just pretend like it didn't happen. Well,
Speaker 1: we can't really pretend because now this part will air
Speaker 1: and then so it's like yeah, maybe, yeah, okay, well
Speaker 1: let's take a break and then let's get her on.
Speaker 1: Yeah all right and bring eran. What do you think, Hannah,
Speaker 1: what do you think I should do? I think you
Speaker 1: need to address it. It's clearly bugging you, Like I
Speaker 1: can see how it's affecting you, And I don't know
Speaker 1: if the rest of this interview will feel genuine or
Speaker 1: like be even fun if you don't kind of am
Speaker 1: I off? Am I am? I? Like? Am I am
Speaker 1: I stupid for feeling that way? No, I don't think
Speaker 1: so at all. I think you're a reasoning totally makes
Speaker 1: sense of it, being like yeah, like basically calling like
Speaker 1: somebody like it's almost like taking away what he did
Speaker 1: to you by saying that. But I do agree with Katho.
Speaker 1: I think she and I'm not trying to compare him
Speaker 1: to like some like awful human being. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I would never be like someone that like hurt them, like, well,
Speaker 1: at Leastie was hot, Like if someone like was, she
Speaker 1: don't need multiple million times and then well at Leasie
Speaker 1: was hot. What does that have to do with it? Right?
Speaker 1: And I think you don't. Yeah, if you were reversed
Speaker 1: and you said something like downplaying her side of it
Speaker 1: was like, oh, well, at Leastie give you kids or
Speaker 1: at least he did something, you know, something, I just like,
Speaker 1: don't her side probably be upset too, So I do
Speaker 1: think though, if you explain that to her that she
Speaker 1: would understand it. I mean, I don't know where, but
Speaker 1: I think anyone sometimes you have to explain to them
Speaker 1: like this is why this wasn't And I know if
Speaker 1: it were me, I'd be like, oh my god, I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry. That's not how I meant it. I didn't
Speaker 1: mean to, you know, like I don't think when I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to be like dramatic or I just it's
Speaker 1: just something. It just rubbed me the wrong way, like again,
Speaker 1: like I just yeah, okay, well, let's just get her on.
Speaker 1: And I think I think you asked her and let
Speaker 1: her explain herself, and I think she will. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm bringing her in. Okay, Hey, how's it going, guys,
Speaker 1: It's going good. How are you good? Yeah? Yeah, of course. Um.
Speaker 1: We were kind of just discussing the kind of that
Speaker 1: are like last interaction together, okay over um over d
Speaker 1: m S. And I just like I just want to
Speaker 1: like mention that and then like move on from it
Speaker 1: because I don't know why I've let it like sit
Speaker 1: in with me or whatever. And do you remember it
Speaker 1: at all or no? Okay, okay, um, So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it just and I was trying to explain
Speaker 1: like maybe I'm just like being stupid, but for some reason,
Speaker 1: it kind of like like I know how bad your
Speaker 1: ex hurt you, you know, like and cheated all those
Speaker 1: he was bad due to you, And I just feel
Speaker 1: like if I was to have said, like, well, at
Speaker 1: least he's hot, like that would have taken away because
Speaker 1: you know, maybe i've let's just say like whatever, like
Speaker 1: he's not hot to you, and just the same with
Speaker 1: my ex. But I found like, well, at least he
Speaker 1: was hot to me. Like I don't know, maybe I'm
Speaker 1: off basis, but like I would think that you would
Speaker 1: be like you would feel like you're like everything that
Speaker 1: he put you through like kind of was um devalued.
Speaker 1: I mean, at least he's hot. Like I can see
Speaker 1: what you're saying. But in my opinion, I was trying
Speaker 1: to give you a compliment, and I was trying to
Speaker 1: like make light of a shitty situation because I know
Speaker 1: that you know what it's like to be with a
Speaker 1: shitty person who does things to you, and so in
Speaker 1: my like in mind, solf to me that man is
Speaker 1: not hot. There's no in like, you know, trying to
Speaker 1: get into it because we both know what sucks and
Speaker 1: so it's like, all right, um, we both have like
Speaker 1: these shitty situations, but at least he's hot. And I
Speaker 1: said that because I don't know. I mean, I thought
Speaker 1: I thought it was a compliment. I thought it was
Speaker 1: a nice thing to say. And I've actually talked to
Speaker 1: people about this too, and they're like, I think I
Speaker 1: think the reaction, the reaction from me and the reaction
Speaker 1: that I've gotten when I've explained my side of it
Speaker 1: is that you overreacted and that maybe you were feeling sensitive.
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings that was
Speaker 1: and I apologize that was never my intention, but I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I certainly wasn't making light of anything. Uh huh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't, like I appreciate that. Um, I just
Speaker 1: I don't think I would, knowing how bad your ex
Speaker 1: hurt you, I think your ex is a good looking guy.
Speaker 1: I would never say, well, at least he was hot.
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't because like I would just feel like
Speaker 1: that would take away like the stuff that he's done
Speaker 1: to you, because someone that does that stuff is not
Speaker 1: a good looking person, whether they were. I'm like, that's
Speaker 1: totally fine. You're totally like, yeah, yeah, and I if
Speaker 1: somebody said, like somebody was like, well, at least Jim's hot,
Speaker 1: I would be like, well I don't see him as hot,
Speaker 1: but like I just is not hot. Yeah, And that's
Speaker 1: the silver lining, Like I mean, you guys, you know
Speaker 1: that's like for me, like the greatest thing was getting kids,
Speaker 1: Like that's the silver line. Not that I feel like
Speaker 1: my kids would have existed either way, Like my kids
Speaker 1: would have my what would have like this mic is
Speaker 1: going in and out, um, they would have like somehow
Speaker 1: it did in my world, whether or not it was
Speaker 1: with Jim, because like the in the way, what I
Speaker 1: believe is that souls that are meant to be here
Speaker 1: and meant are are here, and like energy will manifest
Speaker 1: if it's meant to be here. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: souls are also like there's a ton of free will
Speaker 1: behind that and behind like you know, children in general.
Speaker 1: But in my head, when people are like, at least
Speaker 1: you have three kids from him, I'm like, I no,
Speaker 1: Like it's not at least I have three kids with him.
Speaker 1: I would have had my kids anyway, Like my kids
Speaker 1: belong to me in my head, and like it just
Speaker 1: sucks that I had to have him as the dad.
Speaker 1: It whatever, but if Jim's gonna be hot, at least
Speaker 1: my kids of those genetic traits. Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. But I think for me,
Speaker 1: it's like I like that is where I can silver
Speaker 1: line it with, like I'm glad that like we were able,
Speaker 1: like that is the reason why we were together. And
Speaker 1: I think like my parents, I come from a divorce family,
Speaker 1: and it's like my parents were never meant to be together,
Speaker 1: but like they were meant to have us, and like
Speaker 1: you know, for me, like Mike and I were never
Speaker 1: meant to be together. I thought we were and I
Speaker 1: would have loved that if he was a healthier human,
Speaker 1: but like and we were healthier together. But um, like
Speaker 1: for me, it's like yeah, okay, like we have our
Speaker 1: kids and like, um, I'm grateful that like we that
Speaker 1: was like the silver lining for for that relationship, and
Speaker 1: like you know, I'm never going to take away that,
Speaker 1: like you know him as a dad, and like you know,
Speaker 1: I'm glad he's the father. And I think that's helpful
Speaker 1: for you. I think that to have that that makes
Speaker 1: you feel like okay, like this is the reason I
Speaker 1: was there, This is the reason people think how you
Speaker 1: think about, you know, the silver lining with um, you know,
Speaker 1: shitty relationships and then having children out of it. I
Speaker 1: think most people think like you, Jana, where they're like,
Speaker 1: at least I have the kids, and yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I think like for me, rhetorically speaking, yes, okay, I
Speaker 1: can go along with that, but at the same time,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I wish I would have had them with
Speaker 1: If I didn't have kids with him, he wouldn't be
Speaker 1: in my life at all. No, I mean, girl, I
Speaker 1: trust me, Like I get it. We actually just had
Speaker 1: a conversation the other day because I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: the first holiday not having the kids, and he was
Speaker 1: just like, why can't you get over it? And I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is still hard. He's like how He's like, you've
Speaker 1: moved on, You've had relationships. I'm like, but it's still
Speaker 1: hard not to have my kids on the first Christmas
Speaker 1: like day waking up, Like, I know it might be
Speaker 1: so easy for you, but like and so that piece, yes,
Speaker 1: I would love to not like have to co parent
Speaker 1: with him, you know, with that area, because I'm like,
Speaker 1: he doesn't get the pain that still exists there and
Speaker 1: like I'm not trying to like trust me, like I've
Speaker 1: like I have moved on from you. I just haven't
Speaker 1: moved on from like the situation, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Because it's not easy. He don't even like to be
Speaker 1: in town. When I don't have my kids on holidays,
Speaker 1: like on kid holidays, I try to leave and just
Speaker 1: ignore it. It's so hard. Like but I'm like, have
Speaker 1: you done it without having your kids on Christmas Day?
Speaker 1: Because like I'm not. This is the first year I'm
Speaker 1: not waking up to my kids in Christmas Day and
Speaker 1: like I did it once and then I'll do it
Speaker 1: again this year. And what do you do? I cry
Speaker 1: and I pretend like I make my own Christmas Like, um,
Speaker 1: so when they come to me on Christmas Night because
Speaker 1: they'll spend Christmas Eve this year with with their dad
Speaker 1: and then wake up on Christmas Morning with their dad,
Speaker 1: I'll just do Christmas night as if it's Christmas Eve
Speaker 1: at my house. Well yeah, but then it's like does
Speaker 1: Santa already? But Santa already came at Dad's right, I
Speaker 1: mean it's magic magic. I just gotta believe they definitely
Speaker 1: need to Santa. Oh no, no, no, for sure. But
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is like, because they'd come over Christmas
Speaker 1: Day at noon, so it's like they're gonna be where's
Speaker 1: my presence, mom, Like I mean didn't come yet because
Speaker 1: you guys weren't here. And or I wrote Santa note
Speaker 1: and said, um, we're gonna have Christmas today. I actually
Speaker 1: really like that, and I really like that idea because
Speaker 1: they did get the Christmas Christmas Day. It's not the
Speaker 1: same for everybody's I mean, because everybody has Christmas Eve
Speaker 1: on Christmas Eve, so that part is still really hard.
Speaker 1: So for me, I try to shut down the social
Speaker 1: media and just like not celebrate, what like not partaking
Speaker 1: other celebrations in that way, and then I just literally
Speaker 1: created like this magical experience the next day. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: kind of love that that way, they're still waking up
Speaker 1: to this excess, like you still get the excitement. Because
Speaker 1: what I was gonna do is I asked Jolie, I go, hey,
Speaker 1: do you want Santa to come early? And she goes no,
Speaker 1: And I was like, shoot, because he hasn't the whole
Speaker 1: week like before Christmas, and then I get the full
Speaker 1: week after Noe, me thirty him. The week is a
Speaker 1: long time. Then it's a very long time, and I
Speaker 1: had I had asked him if we can work something out,
Speaker 1: and he said no because I I keep blab in
Speaker 1: my mouth. Oh so he's punishing you. So so does
Speaker 1: he hate you more than he loves his children? Oh? Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean because yeah. And then I'm like, hey, we
Speaker 1: can switch and then you can have and like I'm
Speaker 1: trying to because I'm like, a week away is tough,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? But you yeah, what do
Speaker 1: you guys have? Actually? So he gets every other weekend? Um,
Speaker 1: so we have the same. Then yeah, so I do
Speaker 1: ten days, he just four? Okay, oh okay, okay, all
Speaker 1: right makes sense? And then how how is it going
Speaker 1: with y'all? We don't speak. I mean we community, We
Speaker 1: communicate on a court ordered app and he rarely checks
Speaker 1: the app. I've had to, like, had have our parent
Speaker 1: coordinator who we have to pay court ordered to. Um,
Speaker 1: I have to email her and be like, he's not
Speaker 1: communicating and we have to communicate about like handoffs or
Speaker 1: she couldn't go to Soccer Protects last week because she
Speaker 1: didn't have Aspen didn't have her soccer uniform or cleats
Speaker 1: or anything because he didn't check his app to see
Speaker 1: that she needed her stuff. It's horrible. What do you
Speaker 1: think you would want to like mend the relationship? Like
Speaker 1: what do you think you would need? Like probably somebody
Speaker 1: is probably never speaking to him again, Like probably a
Speaker 1: partner who's who communicated with him instead of me. I
Speaker 1: know that it's because he has I mean, I'm his
Speaker 1: third ex wife and I've seen how he communicates with
Speaker 1: the other two and it's there's it's bad. What do
Speaker 1: you think about the shared Because one of the other
Speaker 1: punishments I got was because I didn't invite and I
Speaker 1: and I owned up to this. This was like I
Speaker 1: felt actually very bad about this. But my son is
Speaker 1: having a birthday party, and I sent the birthday invite
Speaker 1: to the preschool for the kids in the class, and
Speaker 1: he got the invitation. And he's like, I find out
Speaker 1: about my kid's birthday party through an invite through preschool,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well he didn't come to the I go, well,
Speaker 1: it's on my weekend, so like you can have a
Speaker 1: birthday party and he's like that's He's like, I don't
Speaker 1: understand why you can't just be around me, and like
Speaker 1: it's for the kids, and I'm like, but again, you
Speaker 1: can have a birthday party on your weekend and he's like,
Speaker 1: no other parents Like, He's like, why can't you just
Speaker 1: like whatever? And and then I'm like, am I being
Speaker 1: but am I being unreasonable? Not have a method because
Speaker 1: he's a control freak and he or am I just
Speaker 1: it's or or I take it away and it's not.
Speaker 1: It's about the kids. Let him be at the birthday
Speaker 1: party with all the friends. No, but well that's what
Speaker 1: makes logical sense. But you need your boundaries and you
Speaker 1: have to have emotional boundaries with a man who hurt
Speaker 1: you to the core. And if that means that you
Speaker 1: have a separate birthday party, that means that you have
Speaker 1: a separate birthday party. Is your weekend. It's your decision.
Speaker 1: You're the mother, and he needs to stay the away.
Speaker 1: You have his own thing that it has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with him right now. You need your space to
Speaker 1: heal and boundaries up. And that is being the best
Speaker 1: mother that you can be because you were emotionally protected.
Speaker 1: M hmm. I agree with that. But at least he's hot, Megan.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's certain I think certain people can have
Speaker 1: birthday parties together and certain people just shouldn't, like she said,
Speaker 1: with boundaries and y'all just aren't there. But but he
Speaker 1: makes me feel bad for not being there, Like he's like,
Speaker 1: he's like, he goes, I don't talk about you know,
Speaker 1: He's like, when are you going to be over it?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm it's just and a gain I have.
Speaker 1: I just don't. There's a lot of hurtful things that
Speaker 1: happened in that marriage, and it's very hard to be
Speaker 1: around him. Yeah, it's not that I haven't forgiven or
Speaker 1: healed or moved on. It's just it's it's hard to
Speaker 1: be around that knowing all the list. You know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: then you don't do it. I mean, but then I
Speaker 1: feel like a bad mom, Like I'm not like taking
Speaker 1: the kids into account of like what they made you
Speaker 1: feel that way, Like he knows which buttons to push
Speaker 1: and stuff like that's not Are you a bad mom, Dianna? No,
Speaker 1: So don't let him make you feel like that. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: that's all right. So then you guys don't do birthday
Speaker 1: parties together? No, we don't. God knows, I don't even
Speaker 1: know about him. He doesn't like the teachers, don't even
Speaker 1: I asked the teachers, not even to send things home
Speaker 1: to his house. He's he's not he doesn't parents, he's
Speaker 1: like present for when he's there. But I mean, he
Speaker 1: got a lot of concussions in baseball, and I think
Speaker 1: that um lent to like the way that he has
Speaker 1: relationships now, Like he's easy to anger and he forgets everything.
Speaker 1: Short term memories not existent. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: Mike has any like concussions from sports as well, but
Speaker 1: I definitely see it like getting worse as the years
Speaker 1: called by. Yeah, um, I saw something on social but
Speaker 1: I didn't click. I didn't read because again, like I
Speaker 1: don't trust anything that's on those sites. Are you with
Speaker 1: that guy from Bachelor in Now? That was kind of
Speaker 1: like a but those kind of just like testing the
Speaker 1: the press to see what they would say, And they
Speaker 1: said what I thought they would say. That's all but
Speaker 1: because all were like super key together. So I had
Speaker 1: fun with him, but it was like very Vegas and
Speaker 1: like very fun, and then I was like sort of
Speaker 1: interested in like maybe pursuing something and he was like, nope,
Speaker 1: who were just friends whatever, It's fine, like he's it
Speaker 1: definitely would not have worked, but um, I'm da, I
Speaker 1: am seeing somebody right now, Okay, like because yeah, I
Speaker 1: want to I want to kind of get into that too,
Speaker 1: because I know, um, obviously there was this relationship afterwards,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I don't want to put words
Speaker 1: into your mouth, but I mean I feel like, again,
Speaker 1: we're very similar with how we love and we give.
Speaker 1: We give very fast, um, and we love very fast,
Speaker 1: and we both want that like family that we were
Speaker 1: promised and what we what we want for our kids
Speaker 1: and everything. Um. And so when I saw that when
Speaker 1: y'all ended up, I felt so bad for you because
Speaker 1: I'm like I saw myself and that too. It's like
Speaker 1: we we I would have felt like, here I go again.
Speaker 1: I'm the failure, I'm the embarrassment. And it's like and
Speaker 1: I messed up again that since then kind of like
Speaker 1: it's very similar to like my last breakup post divorce.
Speaker 1: But I feel now where I'm like, I'm so afraid
Speaker 1: to get into relationship because I don't want to look
Speaker 1: like I don't want to be an embarrassment. I don't
Speaker 1: want to be a failure. I don't want to be
Speaker 1: like yep, see she's she's the reason, she's the reason
Speaker 1: why things fall apart because she's crazier, she's what I
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. So it's like, I think, I
Speaker 1: don't know, are you having a hard time stepping into
Speaker 1: dating again because of like all of those things? Yes,
Speaker 1: all of those but like this, So the guy I'm
Speaker 1: I'm seeing right now, he's um, he's been he's been
Speaker 1: a friend of mine for seven years. I met him
Speaker 1: before my kids were born, Like, he knows my kids
Speaker 1: from birth, and he knows Jim, and um, we have
Speaker 1: tons of mutual friends. And so that part has been
Speaker 1: really nice. So like so easy because I trust him
Speaker 1: and I know him. Um, I feel really lucky because yes,
Speaker 1: it is hard to trust and know, Like I don't
Speaker 1: think it's going to fall apart, Like I think this
Speaker 1: is my guy and and I'm it's just easy. I
Speaker 1: mean seven years of friendship and active friendship. How did
Speaker 1: it switch? Um, he's like, which is like cool. One
Speaker 1: night wegat I'm really drunk and then confessed all of
Speaker 1: our feelings and then yeah, right, I was in Denver
Speaker 1: visiting a friend and we reconnected and um, just like
Speaker 1: for lunch or something, which is what we would do,
Speaker 1: not reconnected. We just connected and then a few hours later,
Speaker 1: we were just hanging out and we just like looked
Speaker 1: at each other and just started kissing. And we're like, whoa,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what is happening. That's so cute. I
Speaker 1: love that. And has he met the kids? Yeah, but
Speaker 1: he's met them years ago before. Yeah, and you had
Speaker 1: no feelings for him then, I mean we were we
Speaker 1: were friends. We were like close friends. I was married,
Speaker 1: I was pregnant and married and like, um, we would
Speaker 1: hang out all the time, so Chad like we could breakfast.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like I used to live at this club
Speaker 1: and um it's like a country club community and he
Speaker 1: was there, so we just all we see each other
Speaker 1: all the time. Ah, I know it's found your person.
Speaker 1: That's sweet, I think. So, yeah, are you seeing anybody?
Speaker 1: Like yeah? And now, like i mean I'm so scared
Speaker 1: to say yes, Okay, I'm just like I'm afraid to
Speaker 1: like fall, and so I'm just like, how has it
Speaker 1: been how to give two and a half fish months?
Speaker 1: Maybe just talking and like hanging out occasionally and ish okay,
Speaker 1: um like he can and he like, but like it's
Speaker 1: just I don't know, I'm so scared to fail. I'm
Speaker 1: so scared to like, I don't want him to meet
Speaker 1: the kids because I don't want to mess them up.
Speaker 1: And you know, I just I'm just so scared to
Speaker 1: like it's hard again. I know, the fil your piece
Speaker 1: is tough, especially our lives are so public. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's all the things, the nasty things people could say
Speaker 1: and honestly to like the other day I said something
Speaker 1: to him mom, like I know how to do it alone,
Speaker 1: Like I can do this alone, and it's sometimes easier
Speaker 1: to do it alone. And I just I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I wonder if I'm ever going to be
Speaker 1: able to really like really be all in just kids. Now. Okay,
Speaker 1: how old are you? Thirty eight? Okay? Does your dude
Speaker 1: have kids? No? Does he want one? Yeah? Okay, so
Speaker 1: same And I'm having a real big like I don't know.
Speaker 1: I I mean, would you have another one? Yeah? Well
Speaker 1: I kind of want Like I'm pregnant right now a week? Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: you do another one? Yeah? I kind of do you
Speaker 1: know my kids are? I have three kids eighteen months apart,
Speaker 1: and I really felt like I couldn't enjoy the baby
Speaker 1: stage because Jim and I split with my when my
Speaker 1: twins my youngest were eighteen months and I was scrambling.
Speaker 1: It was really hard. The intensity of that was tough.
Speaker 1: And one of my kids has cerebral palsy and so
Speaker 1: he has a full blown disability that requires a ton
Speaker 1: of attention and patience, and so I was just overloaded
Speaker 1: in those early years and I would love to just
Speaker 1: have one I could really appreciate. Mm hmmmm, yeah, well
Speaker 1: I I mean, it's it's all gonna my girlfriend. I
Speaker 1: was trying to get Katherine so her husband. She separated
Speaker 1: from her husband for a hot minute, and then they
Speaker 1: got back together and he just went and got He
Speaker 1: got snipped yesterday and I was like, no, come on,
Speaker 1: have one. We have three. Yeah, yeah, no, we're done.
Speaker 1: But it is hard. It's kind of weird, like the
Speaker 1: finality of it is even I don't want another one.
Speaker 1: I'm like, but he always said down the road, maybe
Speaker 1: a fourth. I did. I said, like, I could see
Speaker 1: myself at forty wanting another one, but I don't think
Speaker 1: I do. I'm thirty eight. But we're just too busy,
Speaker 1: Like I can barely do anything for the third kid,
Speaker 1: you know, because they're just so into sports and just
Speaker 1: so much stuff that I'm like, I don't think we
Speaker 1: could physically handle it. Megan, when's your birthday? September? I
Speaker 1: just turned thirty eight, okay, so I'm going to be
Speaker 1: thirty nine in like a month, okay. And that's where
Speaker 1: I'm just like, and then I'm gonna be and then
Speaker 1: I'm going to get moving. But here's the problem. I
Speaker 1: don't want to make fast, that's the thing. And that's
Speaker 1: that's where I was like, you know, I just go dated,
Speaker 1: go find a twenty seven year old or a thirty
Speaker 1: year old. I don't want to I know I've tried um,
Speaker 1: but just have the baby and get married later. Well
Speaker 1: that's what he said. He's like, would you ever? And
Speaker 1: I was like no, because I'm like, if i'm if,
Speaker 1: I like, I still believe in that silly fantasy, if like,
Speaker 1: you know, But then I'm like, but I don't want
Speaker 1: to rush like I rushed. That's why I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I was when I met my ex. I
Speaker 1: was thirty almost thirty or thirty one, and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I need to have kids now. So yeah, you're fits fine,
Speaker 1: you cheated. I like you you're cute, Like, let's let's
Speaker 1: do that, you know, what I mean. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: damn it, like I didn't I had so much time.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize I had so much time. Jim. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I was so focused on having babies. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: we did it and here we are. But here we are.
Speaker 1: But what a blessing, Megan. I'm gonna get you there
Speaker 1: and saying you know, I know, you're just not the dad.
Speaker 1: I get it right. Um, Okay, so you have a
Speaker 1: new podcast, tell us all about it? Yeah, so intimate knowledge.
Speaker 1: It's it's about my sex and dating life. So we've
Speaker 1: gotten into a little bit of it on on yours.
Speaker 1: But it's really juicy and fun and kind of crazy.
Speaker 1: I think that people are seeing a side of Megan
Speaker 1: King that they did not know existed. And what is
Speaker 1: that side? That's it's that crazy, like crazy, sexy fun Megan.
Speaker 1: It's not the mom. It's not the the mom of
Speaker 1: a child with the disability, or it is just it's
Speaker 1: it's rated are I love when it comes to like sex,
Speaker 1: you cannot let the kids listen to it. My friend
Speaker 1: or not even a friend. Somebody on Instagram me a
Speaker 1: message the other day and they said that they pulled
Speaker 1: up to a to their kids, um preschool to from
Speaker 1: carpool I got and my podcast was on, and the
Speaker 1: teacher heres, and then he started fingering me from behind.
Speaker 1: I would die. He wouldn't even like I can't even
Speaker 1: believe I said that. I mean, it's stuff like that
Speaker 1: that I can't even believe I say, but I just
Speaker 1: do it over and over and over. Well, it's it's
Speaker 1: funny because we we do, like we go out and
Speaker 1: we do some wine down shows like on the road,
Speaker 1: and most of the shows are twenty one and over,
Speaker 1: but sometimes there's no age limit. This one person brought
Speaker 1: like it was a twelve year old, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: some of our skate is talking about blow jobs, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And so I'm like, but I'm like,
Speaker 1: what do you think? Like it's wind out, So it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, we had to like do like a cover
Speaker 1: the ear moment because I'm like, you know, I can't
Speaker 1: do it now a twelve year old show, right, Like,
Speaker 1: so we were trying to work around at the best
Speaker 1: we could. And then I apologize profusely to the father
Speaker 1: and to the I don't think they almost there, um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I feel like you should have apologized to you,
Speaker 1: like I brought his daughter up to sing like in
Speaker 1: the end, So it ended up like being it was
Speaker 1: like fine, I don't think he cared. What was the
Speaker 1: funny part? This sad part is is a twelve or
Speaker 1: thirteen year old probably now know what a blowjob is, oh,
Speaker 1: I guarantee, But I didn't know until I was like fourteen.
Speaker 1: I mean, oh my, got to have a funny Oh
Speaker 1: can I please tell this real fast? Yes, this love sex.
Speaker 1: I love you talking about. But I have a ten
Speaker 1: year old. Thank god, she doesn't listen to this. Ten
Speaker 1: almost eleven. She knows like everything, like we've had a
Speaker 1: very open discussion and so you know, my husband had
Speaker 1: a sectomy and so she was like, okay, so why
Speaker 1: did y'all do that? Like so we don't have any
Speaker 1: more babies? And she's like, y'all do it? And I
Speaker 1: was like yes, and I was like what you And
Speaker 1: she's like, no, y'all do it. She kept saying do
Speaker 1: it and I was like, well, don't all parents do it?
Speaker 1: And she goes how many times? God, you're like more
Speaker 1: than we ever have. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I can't believe you're asking me this. What did you say? Finally,
Speaker 1: she goes like five and I was like, sure, babe, five.
Speaker 1: She goes, it's more and I was like, how many
Speaker 1: kids do I have? She said three and three times,
Speaker 1: so we'll go with that three times. It was hilarious.
Speaker 1: She just kept saying three times. Yeah, right, Well I
Speaker 1: used to not be I was the one that didn't
Speaker 1: like to have sex, but you know, times are changing.
Speaker 1: Go girl, Yeah, they said no more to the divorce,
Speaker 1: and she's having sex and I'm like, I'm all for it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, like the best possible separation outcome I've ever heard.
Speaker 1: I was like, who do I told her husband? I
Speaker 1: was like, who knew? Nick? Who knew? Maybe she'll finally
Speaker 1: let me take her lingere shopping for you to Okay,
Speaker 1: it's oh my gosh, well okay, well I love that.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm glad we spoke. Um, I apologize if I overreacted.
Speaker 1: I know that you didn't have any like ill and
Speaker 1: I think I was just in a bad but I
Speaker 1: do apologize for if that was. Like I think you're
Speaker 1: probably more sensitive to me and to me, you're more
Speaker 1: sensitive than me, and I'm really not very sensitive at all.
Speaker 1: And um, I've like incredibly thick skin, and I treat
Speaker 1: others as if they do as well, and I need
Speaker 1: to watch that about myself. And so even though there
Speaker 1: was no ill intention, I'm sorry for the way that
Speaker 1: you felt. Well again, I appreciate it, but I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sure I overreacted to it. I think I
Speaker 1: just have such like a not a hatred. I don't
Speaker 1: want to hate, because I don't hate. I don't hate,
Speaker 1: but like such like a trigger senses with him that
Speaker 1: it's like I don't. Yeah, it's just it's like hard
Speaker 1: like even receive anything that's like that. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: appreciate it, and I'm sorry as well. Okay, yeah, thanks
Speaker 1: for having we really did. Um. So okay, tell the
Speaker 1: listeners where they can find you, where they can find
Speaker 1: the podcast. So you guys have to listen to me
Speaker 1: anywhere you find your podcast on I Heart Radio, on
Speaker 1: Spotify wherever. So you gotta listen to intimate knowledge and
Speaker 1: get all the juicy details. Well, congrats Megan on On
Speaker 1: on the new Man or you know this new situation
Speaker 1: happening and English keep me plan, We'll see I'll DM
Speaker 1: you right now. Alright, um, let's take a break and
Speaker 1: we will be right back alright, thoughts cat see how
Speaker 1: great it is to address something and then move on
Speaker 1: from it. Yeah, but now I feel stupid, Like did
Speaker 1: I overreact? Don't you don't worry. Don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: We all overreact. I was too sensitive. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: we're all sensitive to certain things. I'm freaking sensitive as crap,
Speaker 1: so I can you know, and you feel stupid later,
Speaker 1: Like I get I'm not saying that you should feel stupid.
Speaker 1: I do feel stupid later when I overreact to stuff,
Speaker 1: but like, I think it's about hearing the explanation and
Speaker 1: where they're coming from, because then you can go Okay,
Speaker 1: Obviously she didn't mean. She's got rule thick scan. You
Speaker 1: can tell by talking to her. She's like a tough bitch,
Speaker 1: you know. So like we're not as I mean I
Speaker 1: can be. But stuff like that would trigger me too,
Speaker 1: So it's just it's okay to go Okay, it triggered me.
Speaker 1: Maybe I overreacted. We addressed it, and now we're cool. Yeah, great,
Speaker 1: you feel good? Right? Or do you not? So I know,
Speaker 1: I feel great. I still just feel like stupid, like
Speaker 1: for maybe being overly sensitive or to do it, because
Speaker 1: I'm like I I don't, I think, And that was
Speaker 1: like back in February too, so I was probably even
Speaker 1: more like but I don't, I don't because I just
Speaker 1: I don't know. I would never like tell a friend that,
Speaker 1: like the X was like hot. I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: just something that you wouldn't do. Yeah, sure, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, And I've had plenty of those conversations.
Speaker 1: That's just not something I would do. I can see
Speaker 1: now where I know, I see her, I see where
Speaker 1: she was coming from, and I feel silly for having
Speaker 1: that overreaction but or or feeling away. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, you didn't feel. We don't have to feel
Speaker 1: that for our feeling exactly. You can feel however you want.
Speaker 1: We communicate, we express, we address, and we move. Okay, Well, um,
Speaker 1: I don't know when this airs are were in life
Speaker 1: will be at the time, but who knows. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: Merry Christmas at this point. Back to you guys later. Bye.
Speaker 1: How is that is that bad? I almost wanted to
Speaker 1: cry when you tell me I was ever sensitive, because
Speaker 1: I'm just like, no, I mean, you can tell she
Speaker 1: is not sensitive, and that's fine. You know, she's definitely
Speaker 1: not sensitive to stuff. Um, what do you think. I
Speaker 1: thought it was great. Honestly, I loved the whole episode
Speaker 1: and like the resolution that came in on you guys
Speaker 1: had because you guys really do have similar situations and
Speaker 1: have similar feelings that I agree with Katherine, like she's
Speaker 1: clearly I'm also a sensitive person. So when someone tells
Speaker 1: me sensitive, I'm like tears. I was like, I knew
Speaker 1: I wanted. I was like ready to hold her back,
Speaker 1: and I was like, we're gonna be fine. We're going
Speaker 1: to either get either hold back tears or I'm like,
Speaker 1: I go, I was really scared. We were, well, we're
Speaker 1: going to end this conversation. He turned it around. Really,
Speaker 1: I'm totally Sam, and I think you handled it really well.
Speaker 1: And again, she does have tough skin. I think you
Speaker 1: guys are just very different people and how you handle
Speaker 1: the situations very different. And yeah, but I'm really glad
Speaker 1: that it came and I feel like that I could
Speaker 1: see that really really good. Okay, yeah, I agree,