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Speaker 1: Wine Down with Janet Kramer and I Heart Radio podcast

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Speaker 1: three to one. Hi, everybody heard that. That is the weirdest,

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Speaker 1: by the way, that's like so embarrassing when you're like

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Speaker 1: that happens and you are like, I don't know, getting

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Speaker 1: a massage, or you're at the and like a weird

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Speaker 1: like you get like a weird gurgle noise, or like

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Speaker 1: you're on a date and it's like everybody heard it

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Speaker 1: just happened. Sorry, I just had like a throat happened,

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Speaker 1: I think, come out of my mouth. Um, Hi, Cat, Hi,

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Speaker 1: how are you doing? Uh well, I'm better than I

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Speaker 1: was last night? Or a Catherine walked into it was

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a Mintain mental meltdown, completely, a

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Speaker 1: complete mental breakdown I had last night, and M I

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Speaker 1: don't think I you know, because I was trying to

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Speaker 1: think too when the last time I cried was it's

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Speaker 1: been a minute since I've cried, like for me, So

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Speaker 1: it's been like more than a week, Okay, Um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's been like a couple of weeks, which is you know,

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Speaker 1: actually maybe it's even been longer than that. I think.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't think I've had a good cry

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Speaker 1: for probably m M. I'd say two and a half months.

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Speaker 1: I haven't had a good cry in a minute. That

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Speaker 1: was a good cry, and she was witnessed to a

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Speaker 1: good cry. I just it was, Um, I feel like

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Speaker 1: this season right now is kind of busy, you know.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm I don't honestly know when this one shoots, this,

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Speaker 1: when this one airs, but like I'm going to film

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Speaker 1: a movie. Um, just got a lot going on with

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Speaker 1: the holidays and kids birthdays and work and um just

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Speaker 1: you know, wrapping up things for the year, and it's

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Speaker 1: just a lot. And then you know we're going to

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Speaker 1: wind down in l A. And so when I don't

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Speaker 1: have the when I'm gone, my ex has the kids.

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Speaker 1: And then when I'm home, like I don't have a

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Speaker 1: minute to like myself, and so I think you yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're like, hey, reminder for you know, these proofs for

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Speaker 1: content stuff. And it's like I've been going until pretty

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Speaker 1: much bedtime and then still having to work, and I

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Speaker 1: just was like I just needed a break and I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to like do my proofs and Jason's wanting to

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Speaker 1: come into my bed and he's crying, and I'm just

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Speaker 1: like I had that like mom, moment where I felt

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Speaker 1: terrible too, because I was just like, dude, I just

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Speaker 1: like stop, you know, I'm because I'm just like I'm

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Speaker 1: exhausted and I want to get this done so I

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Speaker 1: can go to bed. And he's crying and like, you're

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Speaker 1: coming over to do next photos, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: just be prepared, you're gonna walk in. And when when

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Speaker 1: you came in, I mean, I just like, I'm just

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Speaker 1: glad I had a heads up. Oh yeah, I appreciate

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Speaker 1: the heads up. I took a minute in the car

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Speaker 1: before I walked in. I was like, let's go, we

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Speaker 1: got this. Yeah, and you walked in and I just like,

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Speaker 1: I mean it was like ugly snots. Yeah, it was pretty.

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Speaker 1: I think it's just, you know, it's hard to I

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Speaker 1: mean I think it's it's just it's good to like

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Speaker 1: let it all out. But you said something today that

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Speaker 1: I thought was kind of interesting. I just, for the

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Speaker 1: first time in a long time, I felt like the

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Speaker 1: guy watching the girl like have just like a complete

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Speaker 1: breakdown that doesn't even make sense. I mean, you's made sense,

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Speaker 1: but you know, you know, the guy feels like it

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Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. It definitely made sense, but you know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of times the guys like what's happening, but

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Speaker 1: you know, you want to fix it, And so I

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Speaker 1: felt that that moment. I'm like, shoot, I want I'm

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Speaker 1: like the guy that just wants to fix it, but

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Speaker 1: I just need to listen to just like shut up

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Speaker 1: But and I think to like you were trying to

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Speaker 1: come up with solutions, and I'm like, yeah, it's and

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Speaker 1: this is where I'm like, this is where I get

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Speaker 1: like it's hard not having a partner for help. You know.

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Speaker 1: It's like I have I've got laundry up to my chin,

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Speaker 1: I've got you know, work, and and and I'm got

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Speaker 1: just it just becomes a breaking point and it's just

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Speaker 1: like I'm starting to ses well, you look at on

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Speaker 1: going to film me having a massive and mental breakdown.

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Speaker 1: But like I just know that the day that I

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Speaker 1: was in that songwriting and I was doing that song,

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Speaker 1: I was bent over wailing into my like into my

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Speaker 1: like coming down at my foot because I'm just like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I was like ugly cry and then I'm

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Speaker 1: like getting poor Catherine. She just she's like, well, what

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Speaker 1: if we do this? I'm like I can't. I can't.

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Speaker 1: I just like, why don't you pay something? Like I

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Speaker 1: cant I'm broke. I was like, or I'm like I

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Speaker 1: got it. I'm just like I think I just needed

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Speaker 1: to cry and let it out because in this morning,

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Speaker 1: well even no, even last night. Oh yeah, like when

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Speaker 1: we were walking, I'm good, Yeah you just had a

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Speaker 1: good cry, were good? Button it up? Yeah? All good.

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Speaker 1: But I mean I will say, obviously the manager comes

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Speaker 1: out of me where I'm like, Okay, we're gonna come

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Speaker 1: up with solutions We're gonna make this more manageable, you know,

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Speaker 1: because it's it's a lot. You know, it does get

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Speaker 1: to be a lot for sure, But in that moment,

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Speaker 1: I just need to listen. Yeah. Um, And I I

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Speaker 1: did end up calling my ex last night and I

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Speaker 1: was just like, because we have we've shoot coming up,

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Speaker 1: and I was just like please, like I need help,

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Speaker 1: the shoot. Um. And so he was able to so

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Speaker 1: I have I have a night off so I'll get

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Speaker 1: a double in a row. Good. Yeah, which I'm just like,

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Speaker 1: thank you. So I have something I want to talk about.

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Speaker 1: It involves the guests that we have today. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: let's take a break and then I'll chat about it.

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Speaker 1: All right. So we have Megan King coming on the

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Speaker 1: show today and she is a housewife. What what she

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Speaker 1: was on? She was on one? I never saw which

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Speaker 1: one she was on. Um, I think she was for

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Speaker 1: a short time. Yeah, because her husband she was on

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Speaker 1: Orange County Okay, yeah, I don't County and her husband

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Speaker 1: cheated on her. Okay. So she's got any podcasts all

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Speaker 1: right now? And I'm kind of we were cordial and

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Speaker 1: stories are similar, Yeah, stories are very similar. Um. Lots

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Speaker 1: of just like you know, you got this, you're strong, whatever,

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Speaker 1: and you know, she'll she was. She would ask me

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Speaker 1: questions about like, um, uh, you know, narcissist stuff and

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Speaker 1: having narcissus X and YadA YadA, and talking about you

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Speaker 1: know things whatever. Um. And there was something that she

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Speaker 1: and call me out, okay, please, okay, but it just

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Speaker 1: irked me and we haven't spoken since that. And then

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Speaker 1: I saw that she was going to be the guests

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Speaker 1: I address it? Do I let it go? Because it's

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Speaker 1: not like okay, let me just well just again, I

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Speaker 1: might be just sensitive to it. And again, call me

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Speaker 1: out if you think I'm being like a stupid girl,

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Speaker 1: that's fine. I just would have never okay, okay. So

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Speaker 1: we were basically talking about how her ex gym is

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Speaker 1: be like you know how it's like, how did they

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Speaker 1: hate us when they were the ones that blew our

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Speaker 1: lives blewe lives up right, but yet they somehow find

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Speaker 1: a way to make us feel like they hate us

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Speaker 1: or whatever. You know. So we're kind of talking about that,

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Speaker 1: um and she goes, um, it's like he's she she

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Speaker 1: was talking about her ex, like he's like he's a

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Speaker 1: man child. At least your ex is hot, mine looks

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Speaker 1: like or whatever. And I said, my ex is in

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Speaker 1: my mind, I'm like, my ex isn't. Like I wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: I would never say at least your ex hot. So

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Speaker 1: and I go, I'm sorry. That kind of bothered me.

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Speaker 1: I would never say your ex is hot, especially knowing

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Speaker 1: how much you hurt you. Anyways, have a great day.

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Speaker 1: And that's the last I've communicated with her because I

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Speaker 1: I'd be like, well, least he was hot, first of all,

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Speaker 1: some reason. I think I'm not understanding the context. I mean,

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Speaker 1: at least he was hot, because I like it last

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Speaker 1: he was a good she goes um, that's only it's

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Speaker 1: like he's a manchia. At least your ex is hot.

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Speaker 1: Mine looks like a clown. Uh okay. Knowing that, I

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Speaker 1: both were cheating a holes? I mean, looks should have

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Speaker 1: nothing to do with it. At least she is hot,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, I would just never like because to me,

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Speaker 1: when a man disrespects a woman, you ain't hot. Ever,

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Speaker 1: you're done. Like I've dated some very attractive men. The

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Speaker 1: second you lie to me, you are the ugliest human

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Speaker 1: to me, And I would never be like, well, Leasie

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Speaker 1: him as hot. I don't look at my ex and

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Speaker 1: have any attraction towards me? What is that? Why it bothers?

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Speaker 1: You know? It bothers me because I think it's like

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Speaker 1: it takes away like who he like? Who all the hurt?

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Speaker 1: Like to I'm like, Welicie was hot. I'm like, it's

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Speaker 1: like she devalue or it's like she took away the

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Speaker 1: Um Okay, It's like saying an abuser is hot, well

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Speaker 1: at least he was hot. Well he abused me right

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Speaker 1: right right right now that that man was abusive, but

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Speaker 1: at least he was hot. What. So that's how I

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Speaker 1: you know, this man was emotionally or mentally or whatever abusive,

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Speaker 1: And I would never say, well, at Leasie was hot.

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Speaker 1: What That just then just makes it be like so

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Speaker 1: then I don't know, it just bothers me. I see

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Speaker 1: now your point now that you compare it to that,

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Speaker 1: But to me, it doesn't sound it sounds like a

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Speaker 1: misuse of Like it doesn't feel intentional. I don't think

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Speaker 1: at my house. Well yeah, but then it's like does

424
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: Santa already? But Santa already came at Dad's right, I

425
00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 1: mean it's magic magic. I just gotta believe they definitely

426
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 1: need to Santa. Oh no, no, no, for sure. But

427
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is like, because they'd come over Christmas

428
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 1: Day at noon, so it's like they're gonna be where's

429
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 1: my presence, mom, Like I mean didn't come yet because

430
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 1: you guys weren't here. And or I wrote Santa note

431
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: and said, um, we're gonna have Christmas today. I actually

432
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 1: really like that, and I really like that idea because

433
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 1: they did get the Christmas Christmas Day. It's not the

434
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: same for everybody's I mean, because everybody has Christmas Eve

435
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: on Christmas Eve, so that part is still really hard.

436
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 1: So for me, I try to shut down the social

437
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 1: media and just like not celebrate, what like not partaking

438
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,120
Speaker 1: other celebrations in that way, and then I just literally

439
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: created like this magical experience the next day. Yeah, I

440
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 1: kind of love that that way, they're still waking up

441
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: to this excess, like you still get the excitement. Because

442
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: what I was gonna do is I asked Jolie, I go, hey,

443
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: do you want Santa to come early? And she goes no,

444
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: And I was like, shoot, because he hasn't the whole

445
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 1: week like before Christmas, and then I get the full

446
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:08,199
Speaker 1: week after Noe, me thirty him. The week is a

447
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 1: long time. Then it's a very long time, and I

448
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 1: had I had asked him if we can work something out,

449
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 1: and he said no because I I keep blab in

450
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: my mouth. Oh so he's punishing you. So so does

451
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: he hate you more than he loves his children? Oh? Yeah, well,

452
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 1: I mean because yeah. And then I'm like, hey, we

453
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 1: can switch and then you can have and like I'm

454
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 1: trying to because I'm like, a week away is tough,

455
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? But you yeah, what do

456
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 1: you guys have? Actually? So he gets every other weekend? Um,

457
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 1: so we have the same. Then yeah, so I do

458
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,959
Speaker 1: ten days, he just four? Okay, oh okay, okay, all

459
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: right makes sense? And then how how is it going

460
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: with y'all? We don't speak. I mean we community, We

461
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 1: communicate on a court ordered app and he rarely checks

462
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: the app. I've had to, like, had have our parent

463
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: coordinator who we have to pay court ordered to. Um,

464
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: I have to email her and be like, he's not

465
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: communicating and we have to communicate about like handoffs or

466
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 1: she couldn't go to Soccer Protects last week because she

467
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 1: didn't have Aspen didn't have her soccer uniform or cleats

468
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: or anything because he didn't check his app to see

469
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: that she needed her stuff. It's horrible. What do you

470
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: think you would want to like mend the relationship? Like

471
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: what do you think you would need? Like probably somebody

472
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 1: is probably never speaking to him again, Like probably a

473
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: partner who's who communicated with him instead of me. I

474
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: know that it's because he has I mean, I'm his

475
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 1: third ex wife and I've seen how he communicates with

476
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:47,719
Speaker 1: the other two and it's there's it's bad. What do

477
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 1: you think about the shared Because one of the other

478
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 1: punishments I got was because I didn't invite and I

479
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 1: and I owned up to this. This was like I

480
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: felt actually very bad about this. But my son is

481
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: having a birthday party, and I sent the birthday invite

482
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: to the preschool for the kids in the class, and

483
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,239
Speaker 1: he got the invitation. And he's like, I find out

484
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: about my kid's birthday party through an invite through preschool,

485
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well he didn't come to the I go, well,

486
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 1: it's on my weekend, so like you can have a

487
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: birthday party and he's like that's He's like, I don't

488
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,479
Speaker 1: understand why you can't just be around me, and like

489
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: it's for the kids, and I'm like, but again, you

490
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: can have a birthday party on your weekend and he's like,

491
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 1: no other parents Like, He's like, why can't you just

492
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: like whatever? And and then I'm like, am I being

493
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: but am I being unreasonable? Not have a method because

494
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 1: he's a control freak and he or am I just

495
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: it's or or I take it away and it's not.

496
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: It's about the kids. Let him be at the birthday

497
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: party with all the friends. No, but well that's what

498
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,719
Speaker 1: makes logical sense. But you need your boundaries and you

499
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 1: have to have emotional boundaries with a man who hurt

500
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: you to the core. And if that means that you

501
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: have a separate birthday party, that means that you have

502
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: a separate birthday party. Is your weekend. It's your decision.

503
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 1: You're the mother, and he needs to stay the away.

504
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: You have his own thing that it has nothing to

505
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 1: do with him right now. You need your space to

506
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: heal and boundaries up. And that is being the best

507
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: mother that you can be because you were emotionally protected.

508
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: M hmm. I agree with that. But at least he's hot, Megan.

509
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: I mean, there's certain I think certain people can have

510
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: birthday parties together and certain people just shouldn't, like she said,

511
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: with boundaries and y'all just aren't there. But but he

512
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: makes me feel bad for not being there, Like he's like,

513
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: he's like, he goes, I don't talk about you know,

514
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: He's like, when are you going to be over it?

515
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm it's just and a gain I have.

516
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: I just don't. There's a lot of hurtful things that

517
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: happened in that marriage, and it's very hard to be

518
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: around him. Yeah, it's not that I haven't forgiven or

519
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: healed or moved on. It's just it's it's hard to

520
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: be around that knowing all the list. You know, Yeah,

521
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: then you don't do it. I mean, but then I

522
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: feel like a bad mom, Like I'm not like taking

523
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: the kids into account of like what they made you

524
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 1: feel that way, Like he knows which buttons to push

525
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: and stuff like that's not Are you a bad mom, Dianna? No,

526
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: So don't let him make you feel like that. Well, okay,

527
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 1: that's all right. So then you guys don't do birthday

528
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 1: parties together? No, we don't. God knows, I don't even

529
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: know about him. He doesn't like the teachers, don't even

530
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: I asked the teachers, not even to send things home

531
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: to his house. He's he's not he doesn't parents, he's

532
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: like present for when he's there. But I mean, he

533
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: got a lot of concussions in baseball, and I think

534
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: that um lent to like the way that he has

535
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: relationships now, Like he's easy to anger and he forgets everything.

536
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: Short term memories not existent. And I don't know if

537
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: Mike has any like concussions from sports as well, but

538
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: I definitely see it like getting worse as the years

539
00:28:54,000 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: called by. Yeah, um, I saw something on social but

540
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: I didn't click. I didn't read because again, like I

541
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: don't trust anything that's on those sites. Are you with

542
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: that guy from Bachelor in Now? That was kind of

543
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: like a but those kind of just like testing the

544
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: the press to see what they would say, And they

545
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: said what I thought they would say. That's all but

546
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: because all were like super key together. So I had

547
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: fun with him, but it was like very Vegas and

548
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: like very fun, and then I was like sort of

549
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: interested in like maybe pursuing something and he was like, nope,

550
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: who were just friends whatever, It's fine, like he's it

551
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: definitely would not have worked, but um, I'm da, I

552
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: am seeing somebody right now, Okay, like because yeah, I

553
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: want to I want to kind of get into that too,

554
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: because I know, um, obviously there was this relationship afterwards,

555
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I don't want to put words

556
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: into your mouth, but I mean I feel like, again,

557
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: we're very similar with how we love and we give.

558
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: We give very fast, um, and we love very fast,

559
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: and we both want that like family that we were

560
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: promised and what we what we want for our kids

561
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: and everything. Um. And so when I saw that when

562
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: y'all ended up, I felt so bad for you because

563
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: I'm like I saw myself and that too. It's like

564
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: we we I would have felt like, here I go again.

565
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: I'm the failure, I'm the embarrassment. And it's like and

566
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: I messed up again that since then kind of like

567
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: it's very similar to like my last breakup post divorce.

568
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: But I feel now where I'm like, I'm so afraid

569
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: to get into relationship because I don't want to look

570
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: like I don't want to be an embarrassment. I don't

571
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: want to be a failure. I don't want to be

572
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: like yep, see she's she's the reason, she's the reason

573
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: why things fall apart because she's crazier, she's what I

574
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. So it's like, I think, I

575
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: don't know, are you having a hard time stepping into

576
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: dating again because of like all of those things? Yes,

577
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: all of those but like this, So the guy I'm

578
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: I'm seeing right now, he's um, he's been he's been

579
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: a friend of mine for seven years. I met him

580
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: before my kids were born, Like, he knows my kids

581
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: from birth, and he knows Jim, and um, we have

582
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: tons of mutual friends. And so that part has been

583
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: really nice. So like so easy because I trust him

584
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: and I know him. Um, I feel really lucky because yes,

585
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: it is hard to trust and know, Like I don't

586
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: think it's going to fall apart, Like I think this

587
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: is my guy and and I'm it's just easy. I

588
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: mean seven years of friendship and active friendship. How did

589
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: it switch? Um, he's like, which is like cool. One

590
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: night wegat I'm really drunk and then confessed all of

591
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: our feelings and then yeah, right, I was in Denver

592
00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: visiting a friend and we reconnected and um, just like

593
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: for lunch or something, which is what we would do,

594
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: not reconnected. We just connected and then a few hours later,

595
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: we were just hanging out and we just like looked

596
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: at each other and just started kissing. And we're like, whoa,

597
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what is happening. That's so cute. I

598
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: love that. And has he met the kids? Yeah, but

599
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: he's met them years ago before. Yeah, and you had

600
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: no feelings for him then, I mean we were we

601
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: were friends. We were like close friends. I was married,

602
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: I was pregnant and married and like, um, we would

603
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: hang out all the time, so Chad like we could breakfast.

604
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: It wasn't like I used to live at this club

605
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: and um it's like a country club community and he

606
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: was there, so we just all we see each other

607
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: all the time. Ah, I know it's found your person.

608
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: That's sweet, I think. So, yeah, are you seeing anybody?

609
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: Like yeah? And now, like i mean I'm so scared

610
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: to say yes, Okay, I'm just like I'm afraid to

611
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: like fall, and so I'm just like, how has it

612
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: been how to give two and a half fish months?

613
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: Maybe just talking and like hanging out occasionally and ish okay,

614
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: um like he can and he like, but like it's

615
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: just I don't know, I'm so scared to fail. I'm

616
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: so scared to like, I don't want him to meet

617
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: the kids because I don't want to mess them up.

618
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: And you know, I just I'm just so scared to

619
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: like it's hard again. I know, the fil your piece

620
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: is tough, especially our lives are so public. Yeah, and

621
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: it's all the things, the nasty things people could say

622
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: and honestly to like the other day I said something

623
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: to him mom, like I know how to do it alone,

624
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: Like I can do this alone, and it's sometimes easier

625
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: to do it alone. And I just I don't know.

626
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, I wonder if I'm ever going to be

627
00:33:54,000 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: able to really like really be all in just kids. Now. Okay,

628
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: how old are you? Thirty eight? Okay? Does your dude

629
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: have kids? No? Does he want one? Yeah? Okay, so

630
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: same And I'm having a real big like I don't know.

631
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: I I mean, would you have another one? Yeah? Well

632
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: I kind of want Like I'm pregnant right now a week? Yeah, right,

633
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: you do another one? Yeah? I kind of do you

634
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: know my kids are? I have three kids eighteen months apart,

635
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: and I really felt like I couldn't enjoy the baby

636
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: stage because Jim and I split with my when my

637
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: twins my youngest were eighteen months and I was scrambling.

638
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: It was really hard. The intensity of that was tough.

639
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: And one of my kids has cerebral palsy and so

640
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: he has a full blown disability that requires a ton

641
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: of attention and patience, and so I was just overloaded

642
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: in those early years and I would love to just

643
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: have one I could really appreciate. Mm hmmmm, yeah, well

644
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: I I mean, it's it's all gonna my girlfriend. I

645
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: was trying to get Katherine so her husband. She separated

646
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: from her husband for a hot minute, and then they

647
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: got back together and he just went and got He

648
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: got snipped yesterday and I was like, no, come on,

649
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: have one. We have three. Yeah, yeah, no, we're done.

650
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: But it is hard. It's kind of weird, like the

651
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: finality of it is even I don't want another one.

652
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: I'm like, but he always said down the road, maybe

653
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: a fourth. I did. I said, like, I could see

654
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: myself at forty wanting another one, but I don't think

655
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: I do. I'm thirty eight. But we're just too busy,

656
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: Like I can barely do anything for the third kid,

657
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: you know, because they're just so into sports and just

658
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: so much stuff that I'm like, I don't think we

659
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: could physically handle it. Megan, when's your birthday? September? I

660
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: just turned thirty eight, okay, so I'm going to be

661
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: thirty nine in like a month, okay. And that's where

662
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: I'm just like, and then I'm gonna be and then

663
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to get moving. But here's the problem. I

664
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: don't want to make fast, that's the thing. And that's

665
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: that's where I was like, you know, I just go dated,

666
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: go find a twenty seven year old or a thirty

667
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: year old. I don't want to I know I've tried um,

668
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: but just have the baby and get married later. Well

669
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: that's what he said. He's like, would you ever? And

670
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 1: I was like no, because I'm like, if i'm if,

671
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: I like, I still believe in that silly fantasy, if like,

672
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: you know, But then I'm like, but I don't want

673
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: to rush like I rushed. That's why I was like,

674
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: you know, I was when I met my ex. I

675
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: was thirty almost thirty or thirty one, and I was like, man,

676
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: I need to have kids now. So yeah, you're fits fine,

677
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 1: you cheated. I like you you're cute, Like, let's let's

678
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 1: do that, you know, what I mean. And I'm like,

679
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: damn it, like I didn't I had so much time.

680
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: I didn't realize I had so much time. Jim. Yeah,

681
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: but I was so focused on having babies. Yeah, and

682
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: we did it and here we are. But here we are.

683
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: But what a blessing, Megan. I'm gonna get you there

684
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: and saying you know, I know, you're just not the dad.

685
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: I get it right. Um, Okay, so you have a

686
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 1: new podcast, tell us all about it? Yeah, so intimate knowledge.

687
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: It's it's about my sex and dating life. So we've

688
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: gotten into a little bit of it on on yours.

689
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 1: But it's really juicy and fun and kind of crazy.

690
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: I think that people are seeing a side of Megan

691
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: King that they did not know existed. And what is

692
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: that side? That's it's that crazy, like crazy, sexy fun Megan.

693
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: It's not the mom. It's not the the mom of

694
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,479
Speaker 1: a child with the disability, or it is just it's

695
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: it's rated are I love when it comes to like sex,

696
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: you cannot let the kids listen to it. My friend

697
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: or not even a friend. Somebody on Instagram me a

698
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: message the other day and they said that they pulled

699
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: up to a to their kids, um preschool to from

700
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: carpool I got and my podcast was on, and the

701
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: teacher heres, and then he started fingering me from behind.

702
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 1: I would die. He wouldn't even like I can't even

703
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 1: believe I said that. I mean, it's stuff like that

704
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: that I can't even believe I say, but I just

705
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: do it over and over and over. Well, it's it's

706
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: funny because we we do, like we go out and

707
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: we do some wine down shows like on the road,

708
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: and most of the shows are twenty one and over,

709
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: but sometimes there's no age limit. This one person brought

710
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: like it was a twelve year old, and I'm like,

711
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: some of our skate is talking about blow jobs, you

712
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And so I'm like, but I'm like,

713
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: what do you think? Like it's wind out, So it's like,

714
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: you know, we had to like do like a cover

715
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: the ear moment because I'm like, you know, I can't

716
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: do it now a twelve year old show, right, Like,

717
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: so we were trying to work around at the best

718
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: we could. And then I apologize profusely to the father

719
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: and to the I don't think they almost there, um,

720
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: but yeah, I feel like you should have apologized to you,

721
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: like I brought his daughter up to sing like in

722
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: the end, So it ended up like being it was

723
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: like fine, I don't think he cared. What was the

724
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: funny part? This sad part is is a twelve or

725
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: thirteen year old probably now know what a blowjob is, oh,

726
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: I guarantee, But I didn't know until I was like fourteen.

727
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: I mean, oh my, got to have a funny Oh

728
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 1: can I please tell this real fast? Yes, this love sex.

729
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: I love you talking about. But I have a ten

730
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: year old. Thank god, she doesn't listen to this. Ten

731
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: almost eleven. She knows like everything, like we've had a

732
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: very open discussion and so you know, my husband had

733
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: a sectomy and so she was like, okay, so why

734
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: did y'all do that? Like so we don't have any

735
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: more babies? And she's like, y'all do it? And I

736
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: was like yes, and I was like what you And

737
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: she's like, no, y'all do it. She kept saying do

738
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: it and I was like, well, don't all parents do it?

739
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: And she goes how many times? God, you're like more

740
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: than we ever have. I was like, oh my god,

741
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: I can't believe you're asking me this. What did you say? Finally,

742
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: she goes like five and I was like, sure, babe, five.

743
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: She goes, it's more and I was like, how many

744
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: kids do I have? She said three and three times,

745
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: so we'll go with that three times. It was hilarious.

746
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: She just kept saying three times. Yeah, right, Well I

747
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: used to not be I was the one that didn't

748
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 1: like to have sex, but you know, times are changing.

749
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: Go girl, Yeah, they said no more to the divorce,

750
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: and she's having sex and I'm like, I'm all for it.

751
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, like the best possible separation outcome I've ever heard.

752
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: I was like, who do I told her husband? I

753
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: was like, who knew? Nick? Who knew? Maybe she'll finally

754
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: let me take her lingere shopping for you to Okay,

755
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: it's oh my gosh, well okay, well I love that.

756
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: I'm I'm glad we spoke. Um, I apologize if I overreacted.

757
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: I know that you didn't have any like ill and

758
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: I think I was just in a bad but I

759
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: do apologize for if that was. Like I think you're

760
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: probably more sensitive to me and to me, you're more

761
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: sensitive than me, and I'm really not very sensitive at all.

762
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: And um, I've like incredibly thick skin, and I treat

763
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: others as if they do as well, and I need

764
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: to watch that about myself. And so even though there

765
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: was no ill intention, I'm sorry for the way that

766
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: you felt. Well again, I appreciate it, but I mean,

767
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sure I overreacted to it. I think I

768
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: just have such like a not a hatred. I don't

769
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: want to hate, because I don't hate. I don't hate,

770
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: but like such like a trigger senses with him that

771
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: it's like I don't. Yeah, it's just it's like hard

772
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: like even receive anything that's like that. But yeah, I

773
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: appreciate it, and I'm sorry as well. Okay, yeah, thanks

774
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: for having we really did. Um. So okay, tell the

775
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: listeners where they can find you, where they can find

776
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: the podcast. So you guys have to listen to me

777
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: anywhere you find your podcast on I Heart Radio, on

778
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: Spotify wherever. So you gotta listen to intimate knowledge and

779
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 1: get all the juicy details. Well, congrats Megan on On

780
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: on the new Man or you know this new situation

781
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: happening and English keep me plan, We'll see I'll DM

782
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: you right now. Alright, um, let's take a break and

783
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: we will be right back alright, thoughts cat see how

784
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: great it is to address something and then move on

785
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: from it. Yeah, but now I feel stupid, Like did

786
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: I overreact? Don't you don't worry. Don't worry about it.

787
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: We all overreact. I was too sensitive. I was like, well,

788
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: we're all sensitive to certain things. I'm freaking sensitive as crap,

789
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: so I can you know, and you feel stupid later,

790
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: Like I get I'm not saying that you should feel stupid.

791
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: I do feel stupid later when I overreact to stuff,

792
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: but like, I think it's about hearing the explanation and

793
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: where they're coming from, because then you can go Okay,

794
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: Obviously she didn't mean. She's got rule thick scan. You

795
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: can tell by talking to her. She's like a tough bitch,

796
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: you know. So like we're not as I mean I

797
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: can be. But stuff like that would trigger me too,

798
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: So it's just it's okay to go Okay, it triggered me.

799
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: Maybe I overreacted. We addressed it, and now we're cool. Yeah, great,

800
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: you feel good? Right? Or do you not? So I know,

801
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: I feel great. I still just feel like stupid, like

802
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 1: for maybe being overly sensitive or to do it, because

803
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: I'm like I I don't, I think, And that was

804
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: like back in February too, so I was probably even

805
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: more like but I don't, I don't because I just

806
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I would never like tell a friend that,

807
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: like the X was like hot. I don't know. It's

808
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: just something that you wouldn't do. Yeah, sure, you know

809
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: what I mean, And I've had plenty of those conversations.

810
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 1: That's just not something I would do. I can see

811
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: now where I know, I see her, I see where

812
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: she was coming from, and I feel silly for having

813
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: that overreaction but or or feeling away. But at the

814
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: same time, you didn't feel. We don't have to feel

815
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: that for our feeling exactly. You can feel however you want.

816
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: We communicate, we express, we address, and we move. Okay, Well, um,

817
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: I don't know when this airs are were in life

818
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: will be at the time, but who knows. Maybe it's

819
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: Merry Christmas at this point. Back to you guys later. Bye.

820
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: How is that is that bad? I almost wanted to

821
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: cry when you tell me I was ever sensitive, because

822
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: I'm just like, no, I mean, you can tell she

823
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,720
Speaker 1: is not sensitive, and that's fine. You know, she's definitely

824
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: not sensitive to stuff. Um, what do you think. I

825
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 1: thought it was great. Honestly, I loved the whole episode

826
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: and like the resolution that came in on you guys

827
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 1: had because you guys really do have similar situations and

828
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 1: have similar feelings that I agree with Katherine, like she's

829
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: clearly I'm also a sensitive person. So when someone tells

830
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: me sensitive, I'm like tears. I was like, I knew

831
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: I wanted. I was like ready to hold her back,

832
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: and I was like, we're gonna be fine. We're going

833
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: to either get either hold back tears or I'm like,

834
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: I go, I was really scared. We were, well, we're

835
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: going to end this conversation. He turned it around. Really,

836
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: I'm totally Sam, and I think you handled it really well.

837
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: And again, she does have tough skin. I think you

838
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: guys are just very different people and how you handle

839
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: the situations very different. And yeah, but I'm really glad

840
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 1: that it came and I feel like that I could

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Speaker 1: see that really really good. Okay, yeah, I agree,