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Speaker 1: and granted I missed a couple of greens real close,

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Speaker 1: like twenty seven twenty eight putts from the ones that

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Speaker 2: Put another logal the fire.

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Speaker 3: Nobody here is get the time.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the fire Pit with Matt Chanella. In part

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Speaker 4: two of this podcast series on the relevance and rise

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Speaker 4: of lab golf, we told Bill Pressey's story, the man

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Speaker 4: who took to his garage in twenty twelve and used

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Speaker 4: a modified cane and then ultimately a crutch to invent

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Speaker 4: his revealer. That invention leads Pressy to the technology he

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Speaker 4: implemented into his first version of the directed force putter,

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Speaker 4: which actually did what face balance and toe hang putters

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Speaker 4: claimed to do. Pressy received the patent to what was

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Speaker 4: the directed force putter in twenty fourteen and sold his

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Speaker 4: odd looking invention out of the trunk of his car.

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Speaker 4: Pressy had just enough traction to start a business, but

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Speaker 4: not enough marketing skills or manufacturing efficiency to be sustainable.

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Speaker 4: When the company was on the brink, Pressey got connected

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Speaker 4: to Sam Hahn in twenty seventeen, who, in addition to

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Speaker 4: in twenty eighteen. Han says that from his perspective, there

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Speaker 4: were four magic moments that led to the success of

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Speaker 4: Lab Golf. The putter Lucas Glover used to win back

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Speaker 4: to back PGA Tour events in August of twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 4: which is ultimately where this series will end. The first

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Speaker 4: of those four magic moments was when Hans directed force

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Speaker 4: Putter broke and Bob Duncan put him in touch with Pressey.

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Speaker 4: Not long after buying into the company, Han relocated the

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Speaker 4: home office from Reno, Nevada to Eugene, Oregon, which is

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Speaker 4: This is where we resume the narrative. Here's Sam Han.

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Speaker 5: Damn dude, I mean we it would just school of

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Speaker 5: hard knocks I mean just every I had to learn

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Speaker 5: everything about what we were doing. I would say now

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Speaker 5: any idea how the golf industry worked. And this allowed

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Speaker 5: me to keep an open mind on every facet of

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Speaker 5: the business. The putter is different, it works differently, you

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Speaker 5: have to tell the story differently, you use it differently,

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Speaker 5: and consequently, the way that you manufacture and market and

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Speaker 5: fulfill is different. It has to be. And if I

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Speaker 5: And early on, and I learned that. I learned that

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Speaker 5: really early. We you know, so we're putting together a

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Speaker 5: this and how we're going to spread the word. What's

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Speaker 5: His name is Charlie Gerber, and he used to be

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Speaker 5: And yah, can I ask you real quick?

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Speaker 6: So at the time that you buy the company many

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Speaker 5: Virtually?

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Speaker 5: I mean we had they had so twenty one putters?

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Speaker 6: Would they did they sell one hundred putters times four

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Speaker 4: Like what you know?

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Speaker 5: Like was it a thousand putters? I would say, I

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Speaker 5: Branding into her presence. So the first one was branding,

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Speaker 5: So I did have I'm a good consumer, like I

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Speaker 6: But you were doing a lot of obviously because you're

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Speaker 5: Consumer exactly, so I'm using some of what was a turnoff.

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Speaker 5: There were so many turnoffs about this putter when I

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Speaker 5: Like the finish on this putter was just so cheap

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Speaker 5: looking like it just it just it looked like a

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Speaker 5: And then this logo was so bad and Bill's probably

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Speaker 5: going to listen to this and he's gonna be mad

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Speaker 5: at me. But I love you, Bill, but you know

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Speaker 5: your logo sucked, bro, And and there was just and

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Speaker 5: then the company was called Directed Force at the time,

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Speaker 5: Like that's a fucking mouthful for a company, Like it

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Speaker 5: was just it it was so so a lot of branding, branding, branding,

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Speaker 5: was Bill's call. That was, as I understand it, what

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Speaker 5: And then we needed a logo and took forever with

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Speaker 5: uh one day was like, well, putter is a really

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Speaker 5: interesting shape. Why not just make it the putter? So

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Speaker 5: drawing this, you know, this one here on a napkin

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Speaker 5: I drew this thing on a napkin, had some guys

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Speaker 5: the Lord Jesus. The logo conversation is over. This thing

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Speaker 5: somebody sends me an Instagram post that Kelly Slater had

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Speaker 5: made the surfer that he had made about this crazy

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Speaker 5: So we reached out to Kelly and you know said,

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Speaker 5: we're talking putters, and we become golfner buddies, and YadA YadA.

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Speaker 4: Kelly Slater is the greatest surfer of all time, very

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Speaker 4: commonly referred to as the Goat. Slater has eleven world championships.

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Speaker 4: He won his first in nineteen ninety two, his last

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Speaker 4: in twenty eleven. The next best in surfing is Mark Richards,

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Speaker 4: who has five, and he got all of his before

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Speaker 4: nineteen eighty three. Simply put, Slater is the secretariat of

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Speaker 4: his sport, and if there are no waves. He plays golf,

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Speaker 4: not surprisingly, he's very good at it, a scratch if

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Speaker 4: Pebble Beach pro Am. Through a love of golf and surfing,

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Speaker 4: Slater is friends with Adam Scott. What was your first

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Speaker 4: introduction to this putter in this technology.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so the first time I saw LAB I was

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Speaker 1: playing a golf course called Redstick in Florida, and actually

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Speaker 1: I think the guy runs it used to work at Augusta,

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Speaker 8: Really good course, great greens.

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Speaker 1: I was just playing with a buddy of mine, Bill,

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Speaker 8: Lab lab butter, and.

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Speaker 1: Like everyone else, I said same thing, like what's that thing?

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Speaker 8: You know?

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Speaker 1: Blah blah, And I'm I'm pretty open minded, like I'm

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Speaker 8: I've played some goofy clubs over the year just because they're.

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Speaker 1: Funny, and you know, just to give you an idea.

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Speaker 8: I used to have this.

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Speaker 1: I'm a real Mo Norman geek and I used to

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Speaker 8: He goes, is this thing legal? I said, yeah, I

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Speaker 5: Now comes lucky break number two. You know you had asked,

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Speaker 3: Anyway, So twenty seventeen, I believe I was playing the corn.

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Speaker 5: And then you know, the.

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Speaker 8: And it took a while, but you know that that happened.

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Speaker 5: show them my putter and they're like fuck and uh

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00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,879
Speaker 5: so they grab You know, got gotta remember if I

437
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,159
Speaker 5: actually got any even play at Ivanhoe that week, but

438
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 5: I certainly got a few guys to take it made

439
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 5: some friends, learned a little bit. Actually met gear and

440
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 5: Rife that week, who was you know, rep and even

441
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 5: Roll and uh he kind of at the time, you know,

442
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 5: took me under his wing a little bit and showed

443
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,159
Speaker 5: me the ropes and uh, you know how it all works.

444
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 5: And that was a lot of fun. That's twenty eight

445
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 5: would you say that's twenty eighteen. You're the summer of

446
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 5: twenty eighteen. And so I knew that I needed to

447
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:15,919
Speaker 5: open up accounts. So that was so I lived in Eugene.

448
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 5: My folks were still living in Chicago. So I decided

449
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 5: to just go home and spend June in Chicago because

450
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,199
Speaker 5: there's like, there's no golf in Oregon. Like it's just

451
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 5: not a thing. And the golf that is here is

452
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 5: very very Nobody out here is buying a six hundred

453
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 5: dollars custom putter. Have fun at Ivanhoe. Next week I

454
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 5: go to the Champions Tour. This is where she gets

455
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 5: really fun because the Champions Tour guys are a fucking blast.

456
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 5: Like I really don't like doing tour events anymore. I'll

457
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 5: totally go to a Champion Store event anytime. These guys

458
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 5: are you know, there's five guys out there that ticket. Seriously,

459
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,640
Speaker 5: the rest of them are drinking Bloody Mary's and having

460
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 5: telling stories and talking shit and having a good time.

461
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 8: Totally agree.

462
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 6: I tell everybody I've been a part of the Pure

463
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 6: Insurance event at Pebble every year for the last I

464
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 6: don't know, seven eight years. Those are my guys, They're

465
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 6: my generation. They're the ones who I've covered since the

466
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 6: beginning of Sports Illustrated and Digest And I couldn't agree more.

467
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 4: Like I love I love all those guys, even the

468
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 4: guys who were prickly dicks and asses, and you know

469
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 4: back in the day, they're all like super cool and

470
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 4: fun and friendly. Like they've started wine labels and they're

471
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 4: into cool shit and travel and they're like they're they're

472
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 4: their grandparents now they're like they they're like, they're so

473
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 4: much fun.

474
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 5: Lovely, they're they're the happiest they've ever been there, living

475
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 5: the dream. Money's been made, the things are taking care

476
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 5: of their It is just so much fun. So I

477
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 5: go out to this Champions Tour event and you know,

478
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 5: in addition to it being pretty chill out there, like

479
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 5: from a putting standpoint, like eighty percent of that tours

480
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 5: got the yips bat so they're they're down to try anything.

481
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 5: So so I come out to that event and the

482
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 5: inventory that I inherited was nil. Like we had a

483
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 5: handful of putters. We were actually out of headcovers. I

484
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 5: didn't know that, you know, it didn't didn't even occur

485
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,479
Speaker 5: to me to ask what the headcover inventory was. And like,

486
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 5: you can't not have a headcover for this fucking thing.

487
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,959
Speaker 5: It's huge. It's gonna, you know, kill somebody. And so

488
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 5: I show up with a with a pink Sunday bag

489
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 5: about six of these putters with socks over them at

490
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 5: the Champions tournament and uh, and like the guys loved it,

491
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,479
Speaker 5: Like they absolutely loved it, and they're all trying it

492
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 5: and they're all checking it out. And I want to

493
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 5: say I had four or five putters in play that week,

494
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 5: guys going out on into tournaments with socks on the putters.

495
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 5: And because there's no headcover that fits on it, not

496
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 5: even a fucking driver headcover fits on it. It's so big.

497
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 5: And I had so much fun and got so excited.

498
00:25:54,359 --> 00:26:00,199
Speaker 5: And the first real exciting, exciting kind of anything that

499
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 5: happened on TV. Jeff Sluman picked up the putter at

500
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 5: that event, and he ended up using it for quite

501
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 5: a while. I think I want to say he used

502
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 5: it for at least a few months and led the

503
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 5: Senior British later that summer through two rounds and was

504
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 5: making bombs and he had a blue one and so

505
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 5: everybody saw it. Everybody's like, what the hell is this

506
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 5: blue branding iron thing that Jeff Sluman's using, And yeah,

507
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 5: we got some fun pictures and that you know, really

508
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 5: felt like things were going to happen fast at that point.

509
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 5: It really really did.

510
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 4: Here's Jeff Sluman, one of the true gentlemen and men's

511
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 4: professional golf. He won the nineteen eighty eight PGA Championship

512
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 4: at oak Tree Golf Club in Edmund, Oklahoma. He's a

513
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 4: six time winner on the PGA Tour and a six

514
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 4: time winner on the PGA Tour champions Do you remember

515
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 4: directed force or how did you get this putter in

516
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 4: your hands? And because I know it was kind of

517
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 4: a bit of a monstrosity at that.

518
00:26:54,200 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 9: Time, Well, if I'm recollecting correct, it was at our

519
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 9: Senior Players Championship in Chicago. Does that sound right?

520
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 5: Yep?

521
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 8: They were on the putting green, the.

522
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 9: Champion stores a little more lax about you know, Uh,

523
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 9: manufacturers reps out there on the on the putting green

524
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 9: versus the PGA Tour, and you know we understand that,

525
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 9: but we were just you know, we're always happy to

526
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 9: see new product. And you know, I was searching for

527
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 9: anything at that time as poorly as I was putting.

528
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 9: So they described their philosophy and what the putter did,

529
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 9: and you know, so I kind of went with it.

530
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 9: And Uh, as I mentioned in my email or text

531
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 9: back to you, I just needed the bigger hole THET

532
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 9: two at the time. I've I've since honestly kind of

533
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 9: really found out what what ailed me For a long

534
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 9: long time. I didn't I didn't putt well for certainly

535
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 9: an extended period of time. If I looked at my

536
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 9: stats and Champions Tour, and they're not as in depth

537
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 9: and detailed as regular tour. I had a few good

538
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 9: years in the early fifties, and then you know, really

539
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 9: went in the tank. So when you're kind of on

540
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 9: the back end of those stats, maybe not last but

541
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 9: not far from last, you're you can't hit it good

542
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 9: enough to overcome that in any way, shape or form.

543
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 6: You kind of had a short stint with it, right,

544
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 6: It was kind of a one run. You didn't have

545
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 6: much of a run with it.

546
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 9: No, And it was if I'm telling you the truth,

547
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 9: I think it was so bad that I was trying

548
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 9: it and then also trying to close my eyes when

549
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 9: I was putting the short one. So you know, there's

550
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 9: a lot of bad stuff going on in the old

551
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 9: noggin at that point.

552
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 4: Back to who was grinding in and outside of the ropes, we.

553
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 5: Knew we were going to lose money in the first

554
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 5: year or two and just doing our best not to

555
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 5: lose too much. I think I was working for free

556
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 5: at that point. Maybe I had a small salax, I

557
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 5: still had my bar. I had a bar here in

558
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 5: the Gene, and without that bar, I wouldn't have been

559
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 5: able to do this because I was still feeding my

560
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 5: family with the bar. And and so yeah, we're just

561
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 5: mosying along. I'm learning a little bit about production and

562
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 5: manufacturing and all that, even though that kind of wasn't

563
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 5: really supposed to be my side of it. Bill was

564
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 5: going to be doing a lot of that, but he

565
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 5: was busy building the putters, and so we both kind

566
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 5: of had to work together to figure out how to

567
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 5: take the manufacturing up a notch and all that we're

568
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 5: figuring out, we're figuring out going along and going along.

569
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 5: I'm hitting tour events, doing my best to get out there.

570
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 5: And then it was getting close to the end of

571
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 5: twenty eighteen and we didn't know what the threshold was

572
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 5: on usages. And I also didn't realize at the time

573
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 5: that the champ applied, so Jeff had actually probably already

574
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 5: gotten us in to get a credential the following year,

575
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 5: but I was really worried. So getting towards the end

576
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 5: of the season twenty eighteen, I end up at the

577
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 5: Barracuda in Reno and lucky break number three. One of

578
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 5: the things about being a REP as an owner that

579
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 5: makes it different than just being a rep as you know,

580
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 5: a guy who didn't get his tour card and is

581
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 5: taking his second best option, is that I don't clock

582
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 5: out at five. And I was, you know, the for

583
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 5: the few years that I was out there, I was

584
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 5: the first one there every morning and the last one

585
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 5: to leave every night. And that was always when it

586
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 5: happened for us. It was the only time I ever

587
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 5: got interest because the putter is so ridiculous, looking like

588
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 5: tour players are no different than you were. I like,

589
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 5: they don't want to get made fun of. They don't

590
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 5: want to think that they're using a crutch. They don't

591
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 5: want any of that shit. And so it was, you know,

592
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 5: usually the real early in the morning, a related night

593
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 5: that I would get guys to be even slightly.

594
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 4: Interested to meet Von Taylor. He's forty seven turn pro

595
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety nine. He has three PGA Tour wins,

596
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 4: his last being the twenty sixteen AT and T Pebble

597
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 4: Beach Program where he held off Phil Mickelson. Spinning forward

598
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 4: to August of twenty eighteen, Taylor was coming off a

599
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 4: seventy four to seventy five miss cut at the RBC

600
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 4: Canadian Open.

601
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 10: I got kind of an interesting story. I had never

602
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 10: seen it before. I was out in Burracuda, struggling to

603
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 10: keep my card. I'm around one twenty or so, one

604
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 10: twenty five, and I need a good week. And we

605
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 10: get there, and Reno used to be like perfect vent

606
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 10: grass the first couple of years I played there, and

607
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 10: then I came back a few years later and it

608
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 10: was the hardest to putt Poana I've ever seen. And

609
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 10: I showed up on Monday, I couldn't make a three

610
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 10: footer to save my life, and just immediately had this

611
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 10: high anxiety about my putting that week, and was using

612
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 10: an old faithful putter. You know, felt like I was

613
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 10: putting good, but just immediately I've never felt that before,

614
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 10: and Monday, this is Monday. I'm feeling like, oh my gosh,

615
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 10: what's gonna happen this week? And uh, Tuesday, putted all

616
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 10: day long, just grind and grind and grind on the

617
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 10: pudding green and still felt the same way leaving that

618
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 10: day and decided to take a last minute trip down

619
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 10: to the end of the range by myself. I was like,

620
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 10: I'm gonna go down there, work.

621
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 8: Do whatever.

622
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 10: And it was kind of late, it was almost dark,

623
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 10: and I'm like, there was no shuttles coming back to

624
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 10: the clubhouse. So I was like, you know what, I'll

625
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 10: just walk.

626
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 9: It's fine.

627
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 10: Kind of took a little different path to the clubhouse,

628
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 10: came up by kind of the backside of the putting

629
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 10: green and nobody's there but Sam, and he's got this

630
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 10: bag of putters, and I kind of turned the corner

631
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 10: and you know, I looked at the bag and the

632
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 10: putters and I'm like, what it's this, you know, I'm like,

633
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 10: these these things look like you know, space shuttles back

634
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 10: to Sam Hun.

635
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 5: I'm there late at night. Son's going down and Von

636
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 5: Taylor comes up on the green and Vaughan is somebody

637
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,239
Speaker 5: I respected deeply. I love the dude and loved his

638
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 5: putting stroke, always have. And he's messing around with his Seymour,

639
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 5: that same Seymour that you know he was so successful

640
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 5: with early in his career, made a Ryder Cup team

641
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 5: with that Seymour putter, and then, you know, while he's putting,

642
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 5: I pull up the phone. I start looking at his stats,

643
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 5: and putting stats are bad and he's been putting real,

644
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 5: real bad. And then I look up and I see

645
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,239
Speaker 5: him putting and the dudes just can't make anything and

646
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 5: he's struggling and uh and then he uh, it's just

647
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 5: me and him on this putting green and I go

648
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 5: up to him and I think, I think I used

649
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 5: the magic trick line and uh. He takes a look

650
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 5: and he's such a sweet guy, you know, like I

651
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 5: don't know if you met him at all, but I

652
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Speaker 5: mean just kind as can be, an easy going and

653
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 5: lovely dude. So even if he wasn't interested. He was

654
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 5: the type of personality that he was going to make

655
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Speaker 5: a few strokes with it, and he did and they

656
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 5: went in and then and then he rolled a few

657
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 5: more and they went in, and then he kind of

658
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 5: laid a few balls down on this kind of short

659
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 5: right to left bugaboo for him at the time, and

660
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 5: they started going in, and then we really get talking

661
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 5: and he asked me show him the revealer again, and

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00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 5: we end up spending you know, forty five minutes an

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00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 5: hour out of the putting green, just talking putting, talking

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Speaker 5: about the tech. He's putting all over the green and

665
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 5: he's making him finally and postures getting taller, and everything's

666
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 5: just looking better, you know, and he's got he's got hope.

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00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 10: Sam was just super friendly, you know, chill. He's like,

668
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 10: hey man, you want to check out a buttter? And

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00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 10: I'm like, yeah, why not, you know, like why not?

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00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 10: And so he looks at my putter, he grabs one.

671
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 10: He thinks it's going to match. I dropped a couple

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00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 10: of balls like ten set make, Make, Make, and I'm like, wow,

673
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 10: this is really interesting. And I putted with him for

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00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 10: probably twenty minutes, and I mean I made nine out

675
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 10: of ten just from everywhere. I mean, we went all around,

676
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 10: different breaking putts, couldn't miss, and I'm like, I was

677
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 10: just in shock, and I'm like, this head is huge.

678
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 10: The grips, you know the Bill Pressey like forward press

679
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 10: in the grip and it was way bigger around, different shape,

680
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 10: you know, just everything different. And I'm like, what's going on?

681
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 10: But I noticed, you know, the ball was rolling with

682
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 10: just like I've never seen on poem. I'm like, it

683
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 10: was just hug in the ground and I just couldn't

684
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 10: deny that. And I was like, Wow, I'm gonna use

685
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 10: this tomorrow in the pro am and just see what happens.

686
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 10: And so I told my Caddy I come out the

687
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 10: next day and I'm like, all right, dude, listen, I

688
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 10: got this big, crazy putter. I'm gonna use it today.

689
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 10: Let's just see what happened. He's like, okay, it was

690
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 10: Mike kicks, by the way, And Mike's like, sure, man,

691
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 10: let's let's give it a shot. And I think I

692
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 10: made eight out of the nine pots on the nine

693
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 10: holes or something. It's like made everything and he's like,

694
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 10: we got to put it in. I'm like, we got

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00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 10: to put it down and so all week long, I

696
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 10: just filled it up, was making Potts, wasn't playing that grave,

697
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 10: and I just kept making Potts, hanging in there, and

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00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 10: I think it was in the top ten headed into

699
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 10: Sunday and you know, had no idea what was going

700
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Speaker 10: to happen, and the same thing, just just rolling it good,

701
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 10: making putts, and I think I finished ninth or something,

702
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 10: finished top ten, kind of locked up my card and

703
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 10: I'm like, wow, this is you know, just one of

704
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 10: those bizarre, you know, happenstance meetings and you.

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00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 8: Know, just rolled it like a champ.

706
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 10: And Sam was out there all week.

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00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 8: He was cheering me on and.

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00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 10: Just want of those feel good weeks, you know, and

709
00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 10: how things come together like that.

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00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 5: Vaughn was kind of our first kind of big deal

711
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 5: player that used it. He's it for a while. I

712
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 5: think he used it probably for close to a year.

713
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 5: And yeah, and then we were then we were kind

714
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 5: of off to the races there on tour. We got

715
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 5: our credential back and then you know, we're able to

716
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 5: get a little bit more aggressive and ever so slightly

717
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 5: more validated, because it's crazy when you get out there,

718
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 5: like the difference, like like who's using it makes such

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00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 5: a big difference, you know, and Vaughan was a deeply

720
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 5: respected putter, you know, like all those guys. If Vaughan's

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00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 5: using it like this is not a gimmick, this is

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Speaker 5: not a silly thing. Here's a very deliberate guy that's

723
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 5: used the same putter for fifteen years. So if he's switching,

724
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Speaker 5: there's got to be something to it.

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00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 6: So how does Adam get to it?

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00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 5: Lucky Break number four.

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00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 4: We covered how Slater got the original directed force into

728
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 4: his bag and at the twenty nineteen at and T

729
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 4: Pebble Beach Pro Am, he was paired with Adam Scott. Slater,

730
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Speaker 4: as an early adopter, became an authentic ambassador and influencer.

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Speaker 1: I've just spoken about the club to anyone and anyone

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Speaker 1: who wants to listen, and generally I'll just play with

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Speaker 1: people and they'll see me roll the ball and it

734
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: just rolls so pure off the club that they can't

735
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: help but ask about it, and you know, to get

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00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: to the point with Adam, and that's that's how it

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00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 1: happened with Adam.

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Speaker 8: I was playing with him.

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Speaker 1: We were paired in the same group at Pebble for

740
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Speaker 1: three days and at the end of the third day,

741
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,439
Speaker 1: he goes, man, you gotta just show me that club.

742
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: You got to just show me, like what how it

743
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: works for you and go on the putting green and

744
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: just just tell me, because he goes to the ball

745
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: is just rolling so pure off your club.

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Speaker 8: And I was making all sorts of putts.

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Speaker 1: I didn't strike the ball very well, and I wasn't

748
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: scoring great, but I was baking putts. I think I

749
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: had a round and spyglass. I had around a spy glass.

750
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: I think I had twenty two putts, and granted I

751
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: missed a couple of greens real close, you know, so

752
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: I was putting from off the green and they're not

753
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: counted as a putt, so maybe it's like twenty seven

754
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: to twenty eight putts from the ones who footed off

755
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: the green. But point being that I just get so

756
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: confident with the thing and I just start when I'm on,

757
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 1: I just start making everything. And I did the same

758
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: thing at Tahoe. I played that tournament up there, and

759
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 1: I didn't score very well. I was really nervous and

760
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: not striking the ball well and missing lots of greens.

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00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 8: But man, I made everything on those greens.

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00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, I just people just I play with friends

763
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: and they see the ball roll off the club.

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Speaker 8: And they want to try it. It's just that simple.

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00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 4: Here's where we're stopping down again, just before we get

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Speaker 4: into Lucky Break number four, in which Adam Scott becomes

767
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 4: a believer in and a user of Lab golf.

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Speaker 2: There's a fabitous stuff going on with the Lab, from

769
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 2: the grip to the head of the angles in between,

770
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 2: and being so non traditional it raised his eyebrows for sure.

771
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Speaker 2: But I I just had this sense like this, you know,

772
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 2: if you can embrace what this part of does and

773
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Speaker 2: stay out of your own way, the results could come.

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Speaker 2: And I just had this feeling and I said it

775
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 2: to Sam. Although it didn't pan out, but like, this

776
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 2: was the part of that can win around Augusta.

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Speaker 5: Put another log on the fire.

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Speaker 4: Nobody here is getting tied