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Speaker 4: Harrison and the player the players and the building is
Speaker 4: former safety of the Dallas Cowboys, Barry Churches in the
Speaker 4: place to be and uh the double dip in.
Speaker 3: Turns out my Colt branch.
Speaker 4: You it's my man probably he has some has some
Speaker 4: visions last Sunday night.
Speaker 3: He's like, well, that used to be your boy out
Speaker 3: they use me on that. I bet they could, my man, Jesse, boy.
Speaker 2: You don't talk about that because they probably gonna use
Speaker 2: you a cover kittle. That's facts we're gonna get. We
Speaker 2: definitely getting into Jesse. Holly is in the building and
Speaker 2: that's the word of the day. Let's get the exposure.
Speaker 2: That's what that was the word.
Speaker 4: The word of the day for players is exposure.
Speaker 3: Buried Church.
Speaker 4: My man new He Scruggs is making his way back
Speaker 4: from the Bay Area, probably had him a you.
Speaker 3: Know, not a cigarette.
Speaker 4: No sound bites, no sound bites coming from but you
Speaker 4: know what we did did actually have a SoundBite from
Speaker 4: Newly Scruggs. And we're gonna get to that in just
Speaker 4: a second. But before we before we do anything, but
Speaker 4: we're gonna do it, we're gonna check in. We're gonna
Speaker 4: handle our business. That's what we always do. And we
Speaker 4: check in as brothers, just on each other. And I'm
Speaker 4: gonna start with you, jesse Man, check you mentals.
Speaker 3: Baby, I'm a little tired, you're a little I was
Speaker 3: up late.
Speaker 5: You know, I got the pre halftime and postgame show,
Speaker 5: so I'm out on location. I'm way down and depell
Speaker 5: them so I ain't get done to that in about
Speaker 5: about eleven thirty twelve and drive home and you know
Speaker 5: how it is like we've all been covering games late
Speaker 5: at night and then you try to get home and
Speaker 5: it just takes a minute for your.
Speaker 3: Whole can you know what I'm saying? Like up? So
Speaker 3: you just up, You just up.
Speaker 5: And for me, the body clock say, hey, you're getting
Speaker 5: up at whole thirty, whether you want to or not.
Speaker 3: Bro, that's the time we get up. Hover time.
Speaker 5: Nobody get up for me. So he's like, hey, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna let you get you a five oh five, but.
Speaker 3: You're getting up.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I'm a little tired, but I'm here. I'm
Speaker 5: here to give you what you need.
Speaker 3: What you want. Okay, what's up with you? I'm doing good.
Speaker 2: It was just good family good. Actually did a little
Speaker 2: bit of lawn madenance today. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Believe it or.
Speaker 3: Not, did not really, but you know, you know I
Speaker 3: stepped out there today.
Speaker 2: I stepped out there today, some lawn maintenance done, winning pointed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where you're not just what do you mean
Speaker 3: you did? I sprayed some weeds? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Doesn't I sprayed some we I ain't cutting no grass,
Speaker 2: and I'll tell you I ain't doing none of that.
Speaker 2: But you know I sprayed when I felt good about that.
Speaker 2: You know what I feel like, neighbors over.
Speaker 3: There, what's going on?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 3: It was a good It was a good day, man,
Speaker 3: like I was doing something.
Speaker 4: You know, you know what Man, the thing that the
Speaker 4: visit that I have of you out there spring with.
Speaker 2: First of all, it was probably what three he's out there,
Speaker 2: it was probably about two or three. Yeah, a lot.
Speaker 3: So I was like, this is an eye sore, you know,
Speaker 3: keep trying with that. You know that long and the
Speaker 3: along of the week. We all know, we all know
Speaker 3: that's about.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: Look you cut grass, don't you cuts? No, I don't,
Speaker 3: I don't. I pay somebody hold on so you won't
Speaker 3: there like time. We're good, We're good.
Speaker 4: Uh, you know, life is life is amazing. The kid
Speaker 4: had three catches this week. Come on, man, baby steps,
Speaker 4: baby steps, So we feeling good about that. But man,
Speaker 4: I was talking sound bites and uh one NEWI scrugs.
Speaker 4: Just happened to be in the right place with his
Speaker 4: phone up and he caught what was probably a moment
Speaker 4: that is going to continue to go viral throughout the
Speaker 4: week as we look for someone to point our fingers at.
Speaker 4: But it was the exchange between Trayvon Diggs and Mike
Speaker 4: Leslie from w f A A and And I want
Speaker 4: to know from you guys as as former players, because
Speaker 4: you've had to interact with the media, have you ever
Speaker 4: had a said encounter like that immediately after a game,
Speaker 4: where obviously you go to your phone you see something
Speaker 4: that you know that happened during the game, and you
Speaker 4: still do I don't. I guess we would have a
Speaker 4: visual of you guys already out there coming out to
Speaker 4: report with in your pads, but in your still in
Speaker 4: your pads.
Speaker 3: B see. I just want to start with you.
Speaker 4: I really need to, I need to really need to
Speaker 4: know your thoughts on this, because I think it's it's
Speaker 4: one of those perception as an always reality, but sometimes
Speaker 4: perception is reality.
Speaker 3: And you got to tell me what you saw.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, as a former player, me personally, I've
Speaker 2: never you know, had deal with those type of situations.
Speaker 2: I understand that, you know, people are gonna have their
Speaker 2: criticisms of the game and how it goes, and there
Speaker 2: was times when I'm frustrated this heck, but I never
Speaker 2: once you know, felt like the need to go in
Speaker 2: attack a reporter or go say whatever I need to
Speaker 2: say to a reporter. They may come over there that
Speaker 2: my answers may be short whenever they want to talk
Speaker 2: to me, I may be short with them, but you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not you know, the game's over. You know, I'm
Speaker 2: frustrated we'd be lost in a way that we didn't,
Speaker 2: you know, think was gonna happen. At least I didn't
Speaker 2: think it was gonna happen. And you know the thing
Speaker 2: is that was funny was, you know, my man's came
Speaker 2: out the locker, out the locker like you're not you're
Speaker 2: not sitting in your locker, and you know the media
Speaker 2: is coming over to you, talking to you, and you
Speaker 2: just like, you know, what I'm tired is the man
Speaker 2: went outside the locker room, fully fully dressed, the pass
Speaker 2: number seven on, everything strapped up, and it had this
Speaker 2: confrontation with with my man's over there. So that's just
Speaker 2: something I wouldn't have done personally. I understand, you know,
Speaker 2: Diggs is a different man. He's his own man, and
Speaker 2: he was probably frustrated about you know, what happened out there.
Speaker 3: But to me, personally, you know, I wouldn't have went
Speaker 3: that route.
Speaker 2: You know, the frustrations are from the game enough and
Speaker 2: I'd have just got undressed and got on the bus
Speaker 2: and got ready to get up out of there.
Speaker 3: Jesse. It's the optics on this is really bad, extremely bad.
Speaker 4: The optics are bad and no matter how you trying
Speaker 4: to play it up or play it down. You know,
Speaker 4: I think you I think we all can agree as men.
Speaker 3: Period.
Speaker 4: You know, frustration starts to boil over and you know, look,
Speaker 4: maybe we don't have pr guys that are pulling you
Speaker 4: back and telling you, oh, that's not the move, or
Speaker 4: somebody you know.
Speaker 3: And we played with, were played with guys that are
Speaker 3: Friary likes.
Speaker 5: Somebody fixed that rich you know, you know, Chris, Chris Bean,
Speaker 5: what about y'all fix this? Chris, appreciate you being on
Speaker 5: top of.
Speaker 3: The on hanging with the boys.
Speaker 5: Chris gave us some information to kind of a little
Speaker 5: bit of a backstory to that. Earlier that day, Trayvon
Speaker 5: Dick's brother, Stephan Dicks had went down with an injury.
Speaker 5: So after the game is over, he goes back into
Speaker 5: his locker and is looking at his phone trying to
Speaker 5: get an update on potentially what happened to his brother. Now,
Speaker 5: I don't know whether he was I don't know did
Speaker 5: he search his name? They say no, did someone send
Speaker 5: it to him? How did he see it? Because he
Speaker 5: wasn't tagged in the tweet? Right, But there could be
Speaker 5: other fans that are fans of his that then quote
Speaker 5: tweeted it and sent it to him whatever, but he
Speaker 5: checked it.
Speaker 3: He was wrong for coming out of.
Speaker 5: The locker room to address it like, let's but I
Speaker 5: laughed because and you know this, it's the frustration that's
Speaker 5: build up over time, and Trayvon is probably like, hey, dog,
Speaker 5: the one time I actually do what that I'm supposed
Speaker 5: to be doing, you're gonna call me out. So when
Speaker 5: you hear him say, is that what you got from
Speaker 5: that play? Because that ain't his responsibility, Like he's actually
Speaker 5: trailing trying to prevent the cutback, so he guarded his
Speaker 5: guy already his guy was was locked down, and then
Speaker 5: he's spun back and saw the kind of he's like,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Like he's like, this ain't.
Speaker 3: Even who y'all should be talking about.
Speaker 5: Is the other single digit that was supposed to be
Speaker 5: gone number number that was supposed to be guard number
Speaker 5: eighty five, that's run up and down the sideline now?
Speaker 5: And so I think that was the frustration for him,
Speaker 5: was y'all. And and now granted he is he has
Speaker 5: caused the level of things to be talked about with
Speaker 5: his his inability to to want to tackle, to put
Speaker 5: his nose in on tackle, to turn down the tackles,
Speaker 5: and frankly the way he's played. But he's probably like,
Speaker 5: all right, damn dog, the one time I do something right,
Speaker 5: you're gonna say, you know.
Speaker 3: And that's why he was like, you know, you don't
Speaker 3: know what you're talking about. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: But but again, that whole situation could have been handled differently.
Speaker 5: Is he wait till Mike Leslie comes in the locker
Speaker 5: room when it comes by his locker, or he goes
Speaker 5: over him like and let me talk to you for
Speaker 5: a second.
Speaker 3: Dog, pull on to the side.
Speaker 5: And you could, you could, you could undress him in
Speaker 5: that you know, type of situation, pull him to the side.
Speaker 3: But when you walk.
Speaker 5: Out of the locker room still fully padded, what's your
Speaker 5: phone in your hand? You know that this is you're
Speaker 5: walking out to media. Everybody's waiting for the rope to
Speaker 5: be dropped so that they can go inside the locker room.
Speaker 5: Everyone's gonna have their phones out. And you went out
Speaker 5: there and you made a viral moment for now, for
Speaker 5: one for yourself that you're gonna have to answer that whenever,
Speaker 5: whenever your media time comes up, you're gonna have to
Speaker 5: answer that.
Speaker 3: Your teammates are gonna have to answer it.
Speaker 5: On the local radio today they ask Steven Jones and
Speaker 5: he's doing his time. Guess what they're gonna ask tomorrow,
Speaker 5: Jerry Jones. They're gonna ask him tomorrow. They're gonna ask
Speaker 5: that when he goes his availability. They're gonna as CD
Speaker 5: when he goes to his availability, They're gonna ask all
Speaker 5: the guys. So now you've created a commisation in the
Speaker 5: locker room that becomes a distraction. These are the little
Speaker 5: things that come about and it doesn't Now the national
Speaker 5: media is looking at this and they're piling on. Look
Speaker 5: at the cowboys, they got rabbit ears. They're sensitive.
Speaker 3: That's right, that's Jesse. That's where I want to go.
Speaker 3: That's the where you're What you're.
Speaker 4: Talking about right now is from the outside of this building.
Speaker 4: In the perception and what people are starting to write
Speaker 4: is soft. You have people using those words, and as
Speaker 4: former players and guys that know the game, well, it's
Speaker 4: hard to call a man that does what these guys
Speaker 4: do soft, But sometimes it's ish?
Speaker 3: Can we put ish ish on there?
Speaker 4: And when you do stuff like that, do you not
Speaker 4: validate that statement because you look soft.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you validate it. I know that
Speaker 5: you don't put the flame out. It grows from there.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Like it's a different like you you ain't beating allegations.
Speaker 3: You're helping the allegations.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like you're throwing a little
Speaker 5: bit more kerosene on the allegations. You know what I'm
Speaker 5: saying right, Like it doesn't help you. It doesn't help you.
Speaker 4: I mean, and to say you can't do what I do,
Speaker 4: you don't know ball, It's like no, s Sherlock, Like,
Speaker 4: let's state the obvious, bro of course, nobody, what are
Speaker 4: you talking about?
Speaker 3: And I think and I'm learning this. I'm learning this
Speaker 3: media stuff, guys, I'm getting I'm getting kind of right.
Speaker 4: So these news guys, we work with the news guy.
Speaker 3: We can talk about this, you can talk about this.
Speaker 4: Why us plus you guys know this dog y'all, whether
Speaker 4: you're media trained or not, you know that these news
Speaker 4: got they eat this moment up.
Speaker 3: Why are you ali open this moment, especially if I'm
Speaker 3: in big situation.
Speaker 2: You bagged up. You You ain't going nowhere like you're
Speaker 2: secure and what you've got. I mean, I'm looking at
Speaker 2: that whatever dog you know this week.
Speaker 3: But see we've been we've been around cast at are different.
Speaker 3: It's different. Each man is different. I'd have been like, oh, yeah, whatever,
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, it is what it is. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm caked up.
Speaker 2: I'm good that I got what, I'm secure on, what
Speaker 2: I got going on. You know, it's whatever. But different guys,
Speaker 2: you know, sensitive to certain things like trigger word for
Speaker 2: me might be different from what a trigger word for
Speaker 2: you know, Trayvonds might be. And obviously whatever Leslie said
Speaker 2: or did or posted got underneath that man skin.
Speaker 3: That man I'm almost lost it with that was that'd
Speaker 3: be through back.
Speaker 4: Sports media over the last couple of years that these
Speaker 4: moments that happened and Mike Leslie and Travon Diggs now
Speaker 4: have their moment.
Speaker 3: Hilarious. Come on, keep it rip. That was hilarious.
Speaker 7: Bro.
Speaker 5: Another one of my shows on Friday, We're gonna we're
Speaker 5: gonna pull up the greatest cowboy sound bites from players.
Speaker 3: So you're gonna.
Speaker 5: Get the fixed this ish, You're gonna get the image Smith.
Speaker 5: I'm a diamond surrounded by was the drivers, rounded by doodoo.
Speaker 5: You go, you're gonna get, You're gonna get, You're gonna
Speaker 5: get a I mean, there are sound bites among sound
Speaker 5: bites among sound bites. You can just take Charles Haley
Speaker 5: and do you do a top twenty five?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. So it's gonna be interesting
Speaker 3: when you do. You think about it as assistant, remember
Speaker 3: that one? Yeah, what is that thirty six million, thirty six.
Speaker 7: Million dollars reason to be a Yeah, to be alive?
Speaker 4: We've had some over the year and last night and
Speaker 4: last night we had another one, and it just looks bad.
Speaker 4: It looks bad for you know, everybody that's going to
Speaker 4: continue to keep that capsulated and always play it over
Speaker 4: and over again for this team to remember that shortcomings
Speaker 4: at the most embarrassing times, when you're at your most
Speaker 4: emotional time. I know, for me in my life, well,
Speaker 4: some of the worst mistakes I've made is being overly
Speaker 4: emotional about stuff. And that's I mean, I don't want
Speaker 4: to call Trayvon Diggs a young guy, but that's a
Speaker 4: learning lesson for him to never do that again, because
Speaker 4: now you put yourself on front street with that and
Speaker 4: you don't have to you're too good of a player
Speaker 4: to do to yourself. You too could of a player
Speaker 4: to let somebody like Mike Leslie get under your skin, Like,
Speaker 4: for get them bagged up, forget them bagged up, forget
Speaker 4: the dog you go. You got a lot of years
Speaker 4: in this league that you're gonna play and that you're
Speaker 4: gonna be a name that people are always gonna put
Speaker 4: you at the top of the list when it comes
Speaker 4: down to the cornerback market.
Speaker 3: I don't give nobody that.
Speaker 5: That's not even his character. It's the other dig's brother
Speaker 5: that you know what I'm saying, Like that ain't that
Speaker 5: ain't what Trayvon even do. So like you, you went
Speaker 5: way outside of your normal self to now have a
Speaker 5: viral moment in cowboy infamy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's uh. And look, man, I Michae. Mike Leslie
Speaker 4: is a dude that I work with. I work with
Speaker 4: him in football games. Uh do Friday night football with him,
Speaker 4: And uh that I laughed.
Speaker 3: When I woke up this.
Speaker 4: I didn't see it to this morning when I got
Speaker 4: up and I was like, you gotta be giving me
Speaker 4: something else.
Speaker 3: Had it had to be bread somebody else.
Speaker 2: He got into it and then he was just like,
Speaker 2: look at his phone, you know what, and just because
Speaker 2: it's like you said, it's just not in his character
Speaker 2: to be like, you know, I'm you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: sell what's on my mind to me, you know, frustrating game,
Speaker 2: maybe something went.
Speaker 3: Down in the locker room, and then want them, you know,
Speaker 3: mama to push you off. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2: I'm going off as the next person, and he just
Speaker 2: happened to be the next person.
Speaker 3: Man, dude.
Speaker 4: The what we got to really get into before we
Speaker 4: go to our first break is this offense. Quickly, guys,
Speaker 4: this is I think something something has to be said
Speaker 4: or done about where we are.
Speaker 3: Can we stop blaming the coordinators?
Speaker 2: Okay I'm not.
Speaker 3: No, I'm not because I'm not.
Speaker 2: I've been trying to say it since since we've been
Speaker 2: doing this. So let's let's go. We remember before on Friday,
Speaker 2: we asked, what do we need to see that?
Speaker 4: What's that line that we need to see? Thirty twenty
Speaker 4: five of thirty eight two hundred and forty three yards,
Speaker 4: two touchdowns, two interceptions. Okay, let's talk about this Russian attack.
Speaker 4: Russian attack, we have no nineteen carries for fifty six yards. Okay,
Speaker 4: you're not gonna be very balanced with fifty six yards
Speaker 4: all right on the other side for you for the
Speaker 4: passing game, twenty five for two forty three as a
Speaker 4: group and obviously ceedee Lamb had thirteen for one six
Speaker 4: and two tuddies last night. But the offense, to me,
Speaker 4: guys and just I just want you to summarize what
Speaker 4: you saw. This looks like a complete dumpster fire live.
Speaker 4: The offensive play calling is all over the place. It's
Speaker 4: me with a joystick calling place. There's no rhyme, there's
Speaker 4: no rhythm. There's nothing to this offense that's saying, Okay,
Speaker 4: you can hang your hat on that Barry Church. Do
Speaker 4: you point your finger at four or do you point
Speaker 4: your finger at McCarthy. But some where in there is
Speaker 4: going to be the truth for two guys that equally
Speaker 4: share blame.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And you know I get both of them.
Speaker 2: I don't know one hundred percent both of them. They
Speaker 2: the play and I'm gonna let the officer guy talk
Speaker 2: a little bit more on this subject. But from what
Speaker 2: I seen from the competitive part of the game, like
Speaker 2: I see the stats two forty three two toes, but
Speaker 2: from the competitive part of the game before the forty
Speaker 2: nine ers took the foot off the pedal defensively and
Speaker 2: started playing some pre event and all that and just
Speaker 2: letting guys wide open. That offense wasn't even there was
Speaker 2: There was nothing that they could do out there offensively.
Speaker 3: The receivers were getting no separation. And what just bothered me.
Speaker 2: The most was the decision making from one Dak Prescott,
Speaker 2: because when you look at it, yes, he threw two interceptions,
Speaker 2: he could have threw another one.
Speaker 3: Warner could have had one the same same play right
Speaker 3: there for that interception, and.
Speaker 2: This just takes me back to the to the year
Speaker 2: he led the league in interceptions. The decision making, to me,
Speaker 2: he should be on beyond this point, you know. And
Speaker 2: to me, he's basically adding on like when you when
Speaker 2: you're scrambling, like the one interception on the sideline, I
Speaker 2: believe it was a norm who picked it off.
Speaker 3: Man's is not hoping just throw that away and live
Speaker 3: for another down. And he knows that. I mean, he's
Speaker 3: been playing.
Speaker 2: Quarterback in this league for a high level for a
Speaker 2: lot of years and he knows more about quarterback than
Speaker 2: I'll ever know.
Speaker 3: But I know, man, you know that thing away.
Speaker 2: He's pressing out here, throwing the ball deep ball down
Speaker 2: the sideline. I believe it was the C D Lamb
Speaker 2: that the last one, the first interception, that was.
Speaker 3: The decision making.
Speaker 2: Man, Maybe that's the play calling, you know, getting guys
Speaker 2: in the right spot, because why are you throwing a
Speaker 2: deep ball to a man that's five seven? I don't
Speaker 2: understand it in a jump ball at that that's a
Speaker 2: To me, that's a safety's dream.
Speaker 3: You're breaking up the Oh this is what the ball
Speaker 3: just lofting up in the air. He came like it
Speaker 3: was a punt. So to me, it's it's it's decision
Speaker 3: making that looks god awful. Right now.
Speaker 2: The creativity offensively just isn't there. I mean, we're not
Speaker 2: drawing up plays where guys are just scott free like
Speaker 2: they were a year ago in the Running Game. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's not coming back. Like my man said, you know
Speaker 2: last week on the show, there's no way this running
Speaker 2: Game is ever going to be or at least this year,
Speaker 2: what it was in years past. There's no type of
Speaker 2: balance going on with this situation. So to me, I
Speaker 2: don't know where to point the finger at exactly, But
Speaker 2: this offense right now is looking mighty pedestrian, even below
Speaker 2: pedestrian in mind stand.
Speaker 4: Jesse Dak Prescott has eighteen hundred yards, ten touchdowns and
Speaker 4: eight interceptions after seven games.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's on pace to actually break his career high
Speaker 5: at fifteen. He's on pace right now to get seventeen eighteen.
Speaker 5: He's he had three. This is a third game. He
Speaker 5: had two interception. Third back to back to back to
Speaker 5: back game and he had two interceptions in the game
Speaker 5: that hadn't happened since the nineties by Troy Akman and
Speaker 5: to Barry's point, the decision making. But I believe right now,
Speaker 5: I told you guys on Friday that I needed Michael
Speaker 5: from Pittsburgh to be in his Louis Gucci Fendi.
Speaker 3: He said, how about this hefty? How about how about
Speaker 3: about this track? How about not even the scented one,
Speaker 3: not even not even the one. You don't even get that.
Speaker 3: You don't even get that. You know you have the
Speaker 3: little pool strings on the side. You gotta make your own.
Speaker 3: You gotta take the air out and.
Speaker 5: The not the not the one that that that's that's
Speaker 5: stopping the lids.
Speaker 3: No, not even close.
Speaker 5: And and and when you when you have that type
Speaker 5: of when you have that type of play calling, guys
Speaker 5: don't get into what we're calling. I've been in huddles
Speaker 5: what you call a play and guys roll their eyes
Speaker 5: like not this, And for the life of me, I'm I'm, I'm.
Speaker 5: Where Dak Prescott gets yourself in trouble is when you
Speaker 5: go and you play zone against him, when you make
Speaker 5: him have to sift through all the reading of the
Speaker 5: zones because the last two office of coordinators that he's
Speaker 5: had three really if you had count Jason Garrett, Keller
Speaker 5: Moore and.
Speaker 3: Now Michael from Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5: What ends up happening is teams are saying we're gonna
Speaker 5: rush for get pressure with them, drop seven, and you're
Speaker 5: still running man routes. See now you're trying to run
Speaker 5: man routes and there's.
Speaker 3: No answers for you.
Speaker 5: So now everything is You wonder why there's no separation.
Speaker 5: You wonder why he's thrown into these tight windows because
Speaker 5: gods are sitting back there saying, well, if you're gonna
Speaker 5: just keep running these man veaters into the zone, we're
Speaker 5: gonna be right here. And everything now is super contested.
Speaker 5: Hands are in the way. You gotta throw around bodies
Speaker 5: or over bodies, and you gotta try to make these
Speaker 5: difficult throws because you have so many dudes standing into
Speaker 5: the vicinity where you want to go with the football,
Speaker 5: and they and they've yet to incorporate the answers to
Speaker 5: these tests for Dak And so I'm not absolving him
Speaker 5: of any blame because at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: the ball leaves his hand last right like the interception,
Speaker 5: CD doesn't play throw out of bounds bro either tucking
Speaker 5: or run it throw out of bounds the other play
Speaker 5: to the other interception to turpen down the football field.
Speaker 5: I know that he got a hit when the ball
Speaker 5: was coming that was gonna be intercepted no matter what.
Speaker 5: That safety was sitting so far back there waiting for
Speaker 5: the very thing that that they gave him, he layers
Speaker 5: at it anyway, and so he he's pressing, and then
Speaker 5: his coach isn't helping him out because he's not drawing
Speaker 5: up plays that give him easy options, that give him
Speaker 5: answers to the tests that he's facing. And so now
Speaker 5: he's having to to take educational guesses.
Speaker 3: He's got to go out.
Speaker 5: There and and a little bit of hope, um and
Speaker 5: a little bit of yeah, yeah, a.
Speaker 3: Little bit of my guy, maybe a little bit better
Speaker 3: than your guy.
Speaker 5: And what ends up happening. Talked about it last week.
Speaker 5: The defense say we're gonna play the percentages. Sure, ced
Speaker 5: gonna get his. Oh, but you're gonna come one too
Speaker 5: many times to CD and we're gonna get you. Oh
Speaker 5: you're gonna make one or too many mistakes and we
Speaker 5: gonna get you. Yeah, he gonna get his'. He's the
Speaker 5: first team All Pro four reason but to mess around
Speaker 5: a play around with it, we gonna get you.
Speaker 4: And they just been chatting. There is enough blame to
Speaker 4: pass around. And we got another bowl we gotta fill up.
Speaker 4: And here in just a second, we got to talk
Speaker 4: about this defense. We got to talk about this defense.
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Speaker 4: Our defense, Our defense is sending God to the Pro
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Speaker 4: our defense. And I'm having a hard time understand ending
Speaker 4: how at the beginning of this game it looked to
Speaker 4: me and you guys talked about this on Friday in detail,
Speaker 4: about selling out to stop the run.
Speaker 3: Barry Church, what did you say?
Speaker 4: You said, I don't want to see it too, safety
Speaker 4: high man, you better put your extra man down in
Speaker 4: that box. And hey, and you tweeted, zim sell out.
Speaker 4: Put it all on it, put it all on the line,
Speaker 4: whatever they whatever you do when you wake up on
Speaker 4: Monday morning, that's that line. Better be better. Not say
Speaker 4: what I think you said, but boy, then look at it.
Speaker 4: Let me look at Jaques Murray marches and boy, that's
Speaker 4: two hundred and twenty three yards rushing.
Speaker 3: Six point two average.
Speaker 2: Have you have you ever heard that six point t
Speaker 2: that's crazy, Fallas, that's remarkable.
Speaker 3: Fellas.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna start with you, Okay, I'm gonna start with you.
Speaker 3: You're the defensive guy.
Speaker 4: Please please explain to the people, Barry Church, what is
Speaker 4: happening with the defense and how is that if there's
Speaker 4: any chance of how you make this better?
Speaker 2: Man, Look, these guys on the defense of at front seven,
Speaker 2: say everybody on the defensive side of the football, man,
Speaker 2: they're not winning any semblance of any type of one
Speaker 2: on ones. I mean there's a time. I understand double teams.
Speaker 2: You might get pushed up out of there, but you
Speaker 2: gotta have linebackers coming downhill.
Speaker 3: You don't see any of that.
Speaker 2: And you just talked about career days for people when
Speaker 2: they play against the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: I didn't even know who number thirty one was.
Speaker 2: The rookie when when we when he when he came
Speaker 2: in for Mason when he got injured. Girndo, Garnded, I
Speaker 2: don't even president's name, IM Sorrynda Grinda. He went in there,
Speaker 2: threw eighty five on usifth front pick two and twenty four. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we could have used that, but we gave it to Yeah,
Speaker 2: my boy, each of them on the bench right now,
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, because he is the Yeah that that just
Speaker 3: you you know, what makes it even worse. That lets
Speaker 3: you finish.
Speaker 5: But like Isaac Garrindo, think about it for a second,
Speaker 5: he's actually the backup to the backup.
Speaker 3: Christian Mcca. He's his third string, the third string back
Speaker 3: going out there doing you like this. He's the backup
Speaker 3: to the back and he's doing you dirty.
Speaker 5: And honestly, had he started, the way that they ran
Speaker 5: the ball with Mason was different the way they ran
Speaker 5: the ball with Isaac. Had he started, he might have
Speaker 5: hit you because.
Speaker 3: They were trying.
Speaker 5: They were trying to They was trying to run Old
Speaker 5: Mason kind of you know, east and west. They said, okay,
Speaker 5: this guy because he runs. They told me that he
Speaker 5: did like a four to two. So he's like, oh,
Speaker 5: we's gonna go north and south. With him and they
Speaker 5: just ran downhill and his first two players are like
Speaker 5: fifteen eleven.
Speaker 3: Man can't start, and the plot thickens. Yeah, oh man,
Speaker 3: that's too.
Speaker 2: Good Man was talking about, Yeah, you gotta throw a
Speaker 2: fly out on on the on the on the on
Speaker 2: trade and I don't see a problem with it. My
Speaker 2: man's that sit here usually now we're looking at my
Speaker 2: man four round picking on anyways, Man, two hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty three yards is just it's embarrassing. I mean it's embarrassing.
Speaker 2: And this is multiple games this year that this defense
Speaker 2: just looks I can say, God awful.
Speaker 3: Give you another stat it looks terrible.
Speaker 5: And the four losses and the three losses leading up
Speaker 5: to this fourth loss, and the three losses prior to
Speaker 5: this one, the Cowboys on the running game has given
Speaker 5: up an average of two hundred and sixteen yards and
Speaker 5: rushing nine touchdowns. So you can add a tenth touchdown
Speaker 5: because Isaac scored a touchdown, uh, and then you canna
Speaker 5: add what he did and what they did, so that
Speaker 5: number will probably go up. In rushing they had two
Speaker 5: twenty three to twenty three and two sixteen. That average
Speaker 5: is gonna look a little different. Go be brought to nineteen.
Speaker 5: Probably to eighteen has some change to nineteen, it's some change.
Speaker 3: And that's in the four that's in the four losses.
Speaker 2: Four losses and all combined their averaging giving up over
Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy yards and seventy that's just those
Speaker 2: are numbers you just don't hear. Six point two a
Speaker 2: carry is just something you don't hear. So the running game,
Speaker 2: and that's been a problem for how many years now
Speaker 2: with the Dallas Cowboys. Man, So I can't really put
Speaker 2: my finger on how do we specifically stop it? But
Speaker 2: that's been a problem no matter who the coordinator is,
Speaker 2: that's been a problem. But when you talk about this
Speaker 2: past defense, all right, no, no iyuk deebo. Samuel was
Speaker 2: in the hospital a couple of days ago, a couple
Speaker 2: days ago, had to get the fluid drained from his lungs. Kittle, who,
Speaker 2: by all, that is a great tight end. You'll not
Speaker 2: get me all, he's a great tight end. But I
Speaker 2: don't want to call it coaching male practice. But damn, mama,
Speaker 2: you see that, my man Donald, he's struggling. He cannot
Speaker 2: cover eighty five at all. And part of that was
Speaker 2: technique you know people that don't understand zero coverage. Zero
Speaker 2: coverage is where the defense is sending more players than
Speaker 2: the offense can block. So and zero coverage when you're
Speaker 2: covering the guy, you're not one of the blitzers. You
Speaker 2: have no help, all right, no help on the inside,
Speaker 2: no help on the outside. You have no help at all.
Speaker 3: So the easier throwing correct I mean, if I'm wrong,
Speaker 3: if you're.
Speaker 2: A quarterback facing zero pressure, the easiest throw is a
Speaker 2: thought in right, right right in the middle.
Speaker 3: It'side.
Speaker 2: That's why it's been taught since the day of time,
Speaker 2: since zero coverage has come out. When you're playing the
Speaker 2: guy in zero coverage, you're off and inside, you're expecting
Speaker 2: that rush to get there, and if he throws the football,
Speaker 2: you're inside leverage right there you can break on it,
Speaker 2: break it up, or intercept.
Speaker 3: The past, never have I seen safety is playing off.
Speaker 2: And outside versus zero coverage, alignment, assignment and solid front
Speaker 2: the beginning multiple times. And that's why I'm like, I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's you know, the player not understanding
Speaker 2: what was being topp to him, but I gotta believe
Speaker 2: it because you got our hair is one of the
Speaker 2: best defensive back coaches in the game, so I know
Speaker 2: he told them, when you're going zero coverage, you gotta
Speaker 2: play that inside. We saw it multiple times. My man
Speaker 2: was just opening the gate. We all open the gate,
Speaker 2: no hands, no nothing exactly, just letting my guy just
Speaker 2: run away from his leverage. And I can see it
Speaker 2: happening once maybe maybe even why maybe, but to continuously
Speaker 2: get beat with the same mistake. And that's why I
Speaker 2: said the word of the day is exposure. Like you
Speaker 2: it's hard to you know, just just fathom because because
Speaker 2: he's been in Leewild, this is not a rookie, and
Speaker 2: you got exposed out there at the safety position.
Speaker 3: Try to switch something up. You could go put hands
Speaker 3: on them. If if that's the case, you.
Speaker 2: Know you can't play off coverage on the man, go
Speaker 2: up there and put hands on them, at least jam
Speaker 2: at least get the quarterback's eyes off them. But he
Speaker 2: knew exactly where he was going with the football each
Speaker 2: and every time they lined up and passed the ball.
Speaker 2: And to me, that's why I say it's kind of
Speaker 2: a coach mail practice because she helped my man out.
Speaker 3: Or throw somebody else on it.
Speaker 6: More.
Speaker 3: If you just reminded me of when y'all y'all remember
Speaker 3: this God, you know, I gonna use that example. I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna use that as my doll. I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: use that example.
Speaker 11: I'm gonna use the other offensive example when they had
Speaker 11: Chance Green at the tackle and Atlanta was destroying this
Speaker 11: man for six sacks, but nobody wanted to put a back,
Speaker 11: Nobody wanted to put a tight end and helped Chip
Speaker 11: out or help the man out.
Speaker 3: I'm sitting there just watching this thing happen with Donna,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, manah, help him out somehow. But this
Speaker 3: defense guy got issues man all over the board.
Speaker 2: And I understand they don't got parsons, they don't got
Speaker 2: d long, but that still doesn't excuse the way, you know,
Speaker 2: they performed out there on Sunday.
Speaker 4: The problem is, and I'm looking at this is specifically
Speaker 4: when it comes down to the tight end and the
Speaker 4: free releases, two way goals that you're giving these guys.
Speaker 4: And it was the second half, the second if we
Speaker 4: took two games, we separated the first half. It looked
Speaker 4: as though Zim were saying, I'm going to sell my
Speaker 4: soul to stop the run. Six guys at the line
Speaker 4: of scrimmage, all those things that collins Worth was talking about.
Speaker 4: But then, oh, as people say football is a game
Speaker 4: of adjustments, Shanahan made the adjustment. Now I watched football, guys,
Speaker 4: as just my Brock asked his eye. I watch football
Speaker 4: from the inside out, and I'm watching because it all
Speaker 4: starts in the trenches and it just kind of makes
Speaker 4: its way out and it's easier to follow it that
Speaker 4: way from the instead of the outside end. Your defensive
Speaker 4: line is not giving you anything by way of a rush. Now,
Speaker 4: you as being informal safety, you understand zero coverage means
Speaker 4: that we only have so much time with this. So
Speaker 4: there's a clock going off in your head saying that
Speaker 4: by now there needs to be pressure on this guy.
Speaker 3: Where was that?
Speaker 2: Where was but my man wasn't even close. I can
Speaker 2: see like if he was a step there and he
Speaker 2: reached ah man. But Kittle made a great grab.
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to give I'm not trying to give
Speaker 3: him an excuse at all. It's confusing me because even
Speaker 3: on the pick play, you and zero, you know, you
Speaker 3: gotta be on different levels. Can't be that closer.
Speaker 2: You know, that's one of one like you know, if
Speaker 2: they run this slant straight to the flat combo, you've
Speaker 2: got to know you got to be on different.
Speaker 3: It was like the guys just didn't they just didn't understand,
Speaker 3: and it was Man, it's confusing, it's confusing many.
Speaker 5: To Barry's point, when you even talk about Al Harris,
Speaker 5: if you know the history of Al Harris, one of
Speaker 5: the best man corners to like, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: Like he so man principles. You know, Al was teaching
Speaker 5: proper man principles because he spent a large majority of
Speaker 5: his career in man coverage.
Speaker 3: So he gets it.
Speaker 5: He understands it, how to play the leverage, how to
Speaker 5: put the hands on them, you know, down and distance,
Speaker 5: splits and cuts and all the other kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: So you know, you know that I feel like that
Speaker 3: it was being taught. It's being taught.
Speaker 5: The other stat that I gave you guys last week
Speaker 5: when you talked about loading the box right like and
Speaker 5: having more guys in the box, and this is I'm
Speaker 5: gonna say this, and then the next thing kind of
Speaker 5: helps with this. The Cowboys were fourth in the league
Speaker 5: at loading the box. So and then total number of
Speaker 5: the they're fourth and loading the box. Here it comes
Speaker 5: meaning for the fans that don't know what loading the
Speaker 5: box means, it means that they have more guys between
Speaker 5: the defensive linemen and the linebackers in that box area
Speaker 5: than the offense has to block, right, so they're loading
Speaker 5: that box with more men. The Cowboys are fourth in
Speaker 5: the league with that. But the Cowboys also give up
Speaker 5: fifty two success rate when running the ball when they
Speaker 5: have a loaded box, and what they deem success is
Speaker 5: four yards or more. So in a loaded box, fifty
Speaker 5: two percent of the time the Cowboys defensively are giving
Speaker 5: up at least four yards when they have more guys
Speaker 5: there than you can actually block. That goes to show
Speaker 5: you just how bad this defensive front is. And when
Speaker 5: you see and when you see it right like this,
Speaker 5: there's little things that happen in the game that some
Speaker 5: people paying some people won't pay attention to. But the
Speaker 5: cool thing that they do these you know, Sunday night,
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Speaker 5: get to say your name and where you're from.
Speaker 3: And then now because college were from.
Speaker 5: His affiliation with PFF and all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 5: they get to put your rankings up there, and it
Speaker 5: got to the defense, and it got to the one
Speaker 5: spot where you really needed help at And this is
Speaker 5: not me piling on, but it goes Mazzie Smith University
Speaker 5: of Michigan or Michigan University. And then the other side
Speaker 5: it has PFF ranking and it has one nineteen of
Speaker 5: one nineteen. He's the worst defensive tackle according to PFF.
Speaker 3: And the Dire National Football League.
Speaker 5: So even when you get the pressure or try to
Speaker 5: create the pressure and manufacture the pressure, the offensive line
Speaker 5: is not put with a threat because even the one
Speaker 5: on one blocks are not winning. So they're just they're
Speaker 5: just they're just mushing it all up and brought pretty
Speaker 5: was just back there picking you apart. And the other
Speaker 5: part of that, this is where the coaching malpractice comes
Speaker 5: in for me. You're coming off of bye two weeks,
Speaker 5: you had two weeks your two weeks leading up to
Speaker 5: that game. You knew Christian McCaffrey wasn't gonna play. Yes,
Speaker 5: you knew Brandan Ayuk wasn't gonna play. You thought to yourself,
Speaker 5: maybe uh deebo will play. But pneumonia fluid to the
Speaker 5: lungs is probably not gonna be one hundred percent right,
Speaker 5: Juwan Jennings not gonna play. You had to say to yourself, Yes,
Speaker 5: we gotta stop the run. I cannot let this tight
Speaker 5: end like Kittle's not a name that you just forgot about. No,
Speaker 5: he's arguably the top two or three tight end in
Speaker 5: the National Football League.
Speaker 3: And not only is that, he's also put belt to
Speaker 3: tail on y'all season.
Speaker 5: After season after season several times several times. So how
Speaker 5: can you think in your coaching mind? And and and
Speaker 5: this is where I'm getting a little bit off on
Speaker 5: on on on on Michael from Illinois, Okay, Michael Zimmer
Speaker 5: from Illinois. Is you said a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 5: that you panicked in the game. You said that, you
Speaker 5: verbally said that into a microphone in front of people.
Speaker 3: You know your roster.
Speaker 5: You know that out of your entire defensive out of
Speaker 5: the entire group, that number six is the worst cover
Speaker 5: guy in that group. And you thought in your conscious
Speaker 5: mind that, hey, we're gonna go zero coverage and I'm
Speaker 5: gonna take number six and put them on number eighty five.
Speaker 5: That's the coaching malpractice for me, and those are unforgivable things.
Speaker 5: I get to a point now, I know we gotta go.
Speaker 5: I can't even blame Donald anymore.
Speaker 3: He can't do it.
Speaker 5: You're asking him to do something that he physically cannot do.
Speaker 5: But he gotta least something physically.
Speaker 3: Cannot What has he been able to cover? At least
Speaker 3: do the technique?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 3: Okay, but at something.
Speaker 5: Time you gotta say you should have been like you
Speaker 5: know what, a yo, listen, we go zero covers Ao,
Speaker 5: you go inside here, Jeorge Lewis, you go over here
Speaker 5: something booth or if not, scratch him or if not,
Speaker 5: ye one ye, come on, Marquis Bell, come on. Like
Speaker 5: we're at a point now, and I know that he's
Speaker 5: gonna make a lot of money this year. It's around
Speaker 5: seven million dollars. Whatever the money making, that's we're passing.
Speaker 5: You gotta start putting the guys on the bench now,
Speaker 5: like we gotta stop getting at the money and start
Speaker 5: putting guys on the bench.
Speaker 3: Look, this is an ugly lost man. I said it.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of blame to pass around.
Speaker 4: But what we're gonna do, We're gonna scrounge up all
Speaker 4: the hopeium we have left because we gotta leave here
Speaker 4: on the positive note.
Speaker 3: Hope Bill hope, Bill, I'm just gonna leave.
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Speaker 4: travels back from the Bay. Cowboys lose thirty to twenty
Speaker 4: four and the score is not indicative of what the
Speaker 4: entire game look like. Guys, I said, if we could
Speaker 4: please Jesse Holly, Barry Church, leave up out of here
Speaker 4: with something positive.
Speaker 3: The Cowboys are three and four.
Speaker 4: I asked you to go deep into your satchel like
Speaker 4: you're looking for Granny's peppermint and church. If you can
Speaker 4: find it, Deacon there, baby, you know what I'm talking about, Jesse,
Speaker 4: give me some positive man, if you can find it.
Speaker 3: If you don't have it, you don't have it.
Speaker 4: That's fine. I'm not answering for uh and impossible. Don't
Speaker 4: lie to me, make it sound flying to him.
Speaker 6: You just tell me.
Speaker 5: My grandmother always said, if he never got nothing nice
Speaker 5: to say, don't say nothing at all.
Speaker 3: Nothing, m nothing. Barry Jeordan Lewis is playing well on
Speaker 3: the slot.
Speaker 8: Lois.
Speaker 3: I like Lois. That's about that. That's about it. I
Speaker 3: ain't gonna lie. That's about it. I'm sorry, bro, you
Speaker 3: know not even that's about it.
Speaker 2: All the positivity that I had coming to this season,
Speaker 2: you're mister mister cowboy positive.
Speaker 3: No, No, for sure, it showed me against Detroit. I
Speaker 3: saw it.
Speaker 4: I saw it against Detroit, and that's why I said,
Speaker 4: Oh no, I know, I know that I have seen that,
Speaker 4: but whooping before. I don't when they say don't go
Speaker 4: around there messing with the older kids. I have seen that,
Speaker 4: but whooping before, And I know no, and and I
Speaker 4: know who can bring those butt whippings.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 3: Look, I don't have anything either, so I ain't gonna
Speaker 3: hold it. It's the players louds.
Speaker 4: We did our think today, just how the thinking were
Speaker 4: coming in, sitting down with.
Speaker 6: Way.
Speaker 3: We'll be back tomorrow.
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