Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast likes to pop their color
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Speaker 2: Never from the Chris Westling podcast studio. It's Around the NFL.
Speaker 2: I am Dan Hansis. Got just one hero with me today.
Speaker 2: It's Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler under the weather hopefully back with.
Speaker 1: Us during the week.
Speaker 2: Greg never wore Advisor under any circumstances, even in the
Speaker 2: darkest of my bro days.
Speaker 1: Never Advisor.
Speaker 3: I think I had a little two lane Advisor that
Speaker 3: I would pop maybe when I'd go golfing in knowledge
Speaker 3: at the city courses.
Speaker 1: That's about it, though, this is the I want to
Speaker 1: photo that.
Speaker 2: This is the week ten double digits flagship program.
Speaker 1: And you know one theme that was starting to come together.
Speaker 2: I want to say narrative, but narrative has been turned
Speaker 2: into this pejorative, which I don't like because it's being abused.
Speaker 1: So why am I going away from it? Because then
Speaker 1: they win?
Speaker 2: But I'm going to stick with it and say a
Speaker 2: theme that had been coming together a little bit as
Speaker 2: the defenses have in their way more often than not
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three. This week was an exception. Eight
Speaker 2: teams GREGI today scored at least twenty nine points ten
Speaker 2: scored at least twenty seven. We had a near fifty burger,
Speaker 2: We had multiple shootouts, good stuff.
Speaker 3: We had, for the first time ever, five game winning
Speaker 3: field goals on the same day. WHOA, that's pretty crazy.
Speaker 3: It's a pretty crazy Sunday. We weren't necessarily expecting there's
Speaker 3: some good matchups, but at a lot of good game
Speaker 3: winning field goals.
Speaker 1: I clocked that there were a lot.
Speaker 2: In fact, at one point, I think we changed one
Speaker 2: of our highlights because it just seemed to me there
Speaker 2: was too many game winning thirty one yarders.
Speaker 1: But still that tells you the quality of the games today.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna go through them all with up Nick
Speaker 2: Schuk joining us a little bit later. Let us start
Speaker 2: where we must start in Cincinnati, where the Cincinnati Bengals
Speaker 2: are looking to keep it roll with Joe Burrow, but
Speaker 2: CJ Stroud, he said.
Speaker 1: Huh huh, I'm the new guy around here. I'm the
Speaker 1: bad guy.
Speaker 4: John Weeks will snap, Cameron Johnston will hold thirty eight
Speaker 4: yard field goal of tip from the left hash mark
Speaker 4: for the victory for matt Amandola. Here's the snap, here's
Speaker 4: the spot, here's the kick. Plenty of leg there's one.
Speaker 5: It's god the Texans walk off with a winy Cincinnati
Speaker 5: oh man.
Speaker 4: They take it thirty to twenty shot Amandola at the buzzer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it happens every year around this time of year too.
Speaker 2: I feel like where the stakes start building, there will
Speaker 2: be the color guy in the booth who just gets
Speaker 2: so caught up in the moment.
Speaker 1: No longer a paid employee, he's just a.
Speaker 2: Dude yelling yeah because he's happy the team he was
Speaker 2: rooting for was victorious. In this case, Yes, the Texans
Speaker 2: who get a thirty eight yarder from Matt Amadola at
Speaker 2: the gun to beat the Cincinnati Bengals thirty to twenty seven,
Speaker 2: a game in which Greg CJ. Stroud I thought outplayed
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow, which is very notable.
Speaker 1: And then you think about who Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2: Is one of the greatest quarterbacks in the league, and
Speaker 2: Stroud now has kind of put a stamp on it,
Speaker 2: Greg that he is the most exciting quarterback to enter
Speaker 2: the league since Burrow did a few years back.
Speaker 1: So this could be the first.
Speaker 2: Of many big time showdowns between these guys, and I
Speaker 2: hope they deliver as many classics as this.
Speaker 3: And it's the start of the Stroud MVP quote unquote conversation,
Speaker 3: it's we got eight weeks here, but he's in the mix,
Speaker 3: leading one of the best offenses in the league over
Speaker 3: the last couples and to win this game coming off
Speaker 3: Cincinnati's two week run where everyone left it saying, Wow,
Speaker 3: the Bengals they might beat five and three, but they
Speaker 3: also might be the best team in the NFL. And
Speaker 3: not just beating them, but beating them in a shootout
Speaker 3: and beating them in a game where they put up
Speaker 3: five hundred and forty four yards Dan and at one point,
Speaker 3: like midway through the third quarter, were tripling the Bengals
Speaker 3: in total yardage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they could not stop Stroud and they could not
Speaker 2: stop the running game Devin Singletary. For the Texans, this
Speaker 2: has been a major issue for Houston all season long.
Speaker 1: They have not been able to move the ball on
Speaker 1: the ground. Not the case in this game.
Speaker 2: Singletary goes for one hundred and fifty yards, averaging five
Speaker 2: yards a pop.
Speaker 1: And it felt that way.
Speaker 2: It felt like every time he touched the ball it
Speaker 2: was five yards, seven yards, eleven yards.
Speaker 1: So he has the big day.
Speaker 2: Noah Brown is I don't know He's unlocked something here
Speaker 2: with CJ. Stroud that was not going on with Dak
Speaker 2: Prescott Dallas seven for one seventy two. He had one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty plus last week as well. You have
Speaker 2: Dell putting the roller skates on a cornerback and scoring
Speaker 2: a touchdown in this game, and the fact that they
Speaker 2: and we're gonna we'll get into like all the different
Speaker 2: like how this game came down to the wire. But
Speaker 2: Houston also gave up the ball multiple times on the
Speaker 2: Cincinnati side of the field on turnovers, so that they really,
Speaker 2: very rarely, rarely were stopped by Cincinnati's defense, and most
Speaker 2: notably the exception being.
Speaker 1: A pick six that Stroud throws.
Speaker 2: That was a stunner because the at the time Cincinnati
Speaker 2: was down double digit points, there was I believe, less
Speaker 2: than four minutes to play in the game. Burrow had
Speaker 2: just thrown his second interception of the second half, and
Speaker 2: the pick six by Stroud woke up the building. In fact,
Speaker 2: a lot of Cincinnati fans are streaming toward the exits,
Speaker 2: Greg and they all pour back in.
Speaker 3: And they went down at the one. So Mixon got
Speaker 3: the touchdown with nick one yard.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, my fault. Yes, they get him.
Speaker 2: They take it all the way down, get the touchdown,
Speaker 2: force the punt, and the Cincinnati Bengals will have to
Speaker 2: They'll rue the day and Soul likes I locked them up, Gregie.
Speaker 1: Just one of those years. You know, sometimes you got
Speaker 1: to take take the.
Speaker 2: Bad beats, because I will never feel bad about getting
Speaker 2: behind the Bengals at home with Joe Pearl playing at
Speaker 2: this level. He hits a go ahead touchdown pass that's
Speaker 2: just dropped a bad drop.
Speaker 1: They have to settle for field goal and then shut out.
Speaker 2: Tyler Boyd drops a killer one and then Stroud takes
Speaker 2: over and marches him right down the field for the winner.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is the stuff legendary careers ever made of.
Speaker 3: To have that touchdown drive, with those throws with under
Speaker 3: thirty seconds left last week, to tanked Oll and then
Speaker 3: to be in a position where it's a third and
Speaker 3: six at his own twenty nine, he finds Schaltzefter buying
Speaker 3: some time, and then a second and six at the
Speaker 3: Bengals forty two with fifteen seconds left.
Speaker 1: That's it, and he gets it to Brown who makes it.
Speaker 3: Was a terrific throw, and Brown makes an even better
Speaker 3: individual play to pick up a lot of yards after
Speaker 3: the catch, making tackles. That was a big play in
Speaker 3: the Bengals season. Because Trey Hendrickson was hurt on this play.
Speaker 3: We hope it's not a serious injury. And then you
Speaker 3: get the game winning field goal after that. Seventeen explosive
Speaker 3: plays in this game for the Texans offense. It's a
Speaker 3: game that we shouldn't need it, but it's like it
Speaker 3: lets us think even differently about the Texan season, even
Speaker 3: then a week ago, even though last week kind of
Speaker 3: got us halfway there is this is another level because
Speaker 3: they lost about seven starters to injuries last week. Dan,
Speaker 3: you know, Damian Pierce isn't in this game. Nico Collins
Speaker 3: isn't in this game. A bunch of players in the
Speaker 3: secondary aren't in this game. And then to win it
Speaker 3: with seventeen explosives. That's the fourth most of any team
Speaker 3: in any game since two thousand. Whoa the Texans versus
Speaker 3: the and that's against a good Bengals defense.
Speaker 2: I mean, you want to talk about a team that
Speaker 2: is arriving ahead of schedule. That is Houston right now,
Speaker 2: and they are showing themselves to be a team that
Speaker 2: cannot be taken lightly not you do not lock against
Speaker 2: them because they are a team they could absolutely make
Speaker 2: you look bad. And it should also noted that this
Speaker 2: game started out to script with Burrow going right down
Speaker 2: the field and he throws one of the prettiest balls
Speaker 2: you'll see all season. He throws it right on the money.
Speaker 2: The touchdown goes to Irwin right down the sideline thirty
Speaker 2: two yards and he pulls out Burrow. One of my
Speaker 2: favorite celebrations I've seen, and sometimes he pulls out the
Speaker 2: archerymove like, oh, Burrow the Archer.
Speaker 1: That's a great nickname potentially.
Speaker 2: But then Houston's defense with Dimiko Rans leading the way
Speaker 2: there of course, forces five consecutive punts and gets the
Speaker 2: game under control. So you saw the Stroud interception late
Speaker 2: that allowed Cincinnati back in the game. But not only
Speaker 2: was the offense something to really be excited about, Houston
Speaker 2: putting up ten points in each of the last three quarters,
Speaker 2: the fact that their defense is making strides as well.
Speaker 3: I mean, look out, they've won different types of games.
Speaker 3: I think of that Saints win where the offense actually
Speaker 3: didn't do much they wanted defensively. It's something special is
Speaker 3: Brewing here. We'll get to the Jaguars later, but like
Speaker 3: that division seems much more open than we expected.
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, Greggy Cincinnati they got
Speaker 2: the Ravens in Baltimore, and we're gonna get to what
Speaker 2: happened with the Ravens today on Thursday night on a
Speaker 2: short week, and the Houston Texans get the cards at home.
Speaker 3: So like interesting, I did not I would not have
Speaker 3: said I would have happily locked this if I wasn't
Speaker 3: bullied over the last few weeks from our friend Nick
Speaker 3: Wesley to not taking like six point spreads.
Speaker 1: So that help, you know what.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try to get Nick on the show for
Speaker 2: the Thursday night football matchup there too, so maybe you
Speaker 2: guys could work some things out, all right. So Houston
Speaker 2: was listeners know a finalist for the Team of Around
Speaker 2: the NFL. The other finalists and the actual choice is
Speaker 2: the Minnesota Vikings, And here was their first game as
Speaker 2: the team of atn hosting the Saints.
Speaker 6: Dobbs got the shotgun on third down, Cam Jordan got
Speaker 6: around the right tackle. Dobbs, we'll cheese nothing now. He
Speaker 6: runs out to the left's magic.
Speaker 1: To somebody he turns off five to the side.
Speaker 2: Oh incredible, Shosh Stops put a.
Speaker 6: Rushing touchdown past run Minnesota to a sixteen three fleet.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, Stops true for a career high two hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty eight yards. He had two total touchdowns, including
Speaker 2: that beautiful scramble.
Speaker 1: The Vikings built a big halftime.
Speaker 2: Lead and then held on to beat the Saints twenty
Speaker 2: seven to nineteen. That is five straight wins for the
Speaker 2: team of ATM.
Speaker 1: Whoa that right up? Straight right? I don't know. They
Speaker 1: were owing three yes. They get thumbs up from Roberts
Speaker 1: behind their glass. They were owing three yes. And now
Speaker 1: they are comfortably It's important. This is a very special fie.
Speaker 2: They're comfortably in the NFL NFC playoff picture right now.
Speaker 2: So Greg, the team of ATM keeps finding away and
Speaker 2: with its Dobs right in the.
Speaker 1: Middle of it.
Speaker 7: All.
Speaker 3: That run in for the touchdown was part of a
Speaker 3: first half that was magical. It was like they listened
Speaker 3: to our podcast during the week and they said, Dan Mark.
Speaker 1: And Greg believe in us. Hell, we believe in us.
Speaker 1: Josh Dobbs.
Speaker 3: I'm not just gonna be like one of the best
Speaker 3: stories of the NFL I'm watching that first half and
Speaker 3: I'm just thinking, this is just one of the best
Speaker 3: quarterbacks in the NFL right now. The very first play
Speaker 3: from scrimmage a dot I think it was to Addison,
Speaker 3: a throw they would tell you not to make because
Speaker 3: it was so impossible. I'm sure the expected completion on
Speaker 3: that from next gen was like ten percent, but he
Speaker 3: fits it in the smallest of windows, and I thought, oh,
Speaker 3: this could be a pretty special game. A third and
Speaker 3: one where they run an RPO something you wouldn't be
Speaker 3: able to do with Kirk Cousins. And then a fourth
Speaker 3: and seven, or rather a third down breaking tackles before
Speaker 3: he threw the ball. That to me was even more
Speaker 3: press of. Then that rushing touchdown where he's just like
Speaker 3: guys are falling off of him and he's making these
Speaker 3: don't I don't even know who to compare him to exactly,
Speaker 3: Just like, just imagine any great rushing quarterback where he
Speaker 3: just is impossible to get down, but he's still making
Speaker 3: terrific throws down the field. Like he added that all
Speaker 3: up and they held on in the second half.
Speaker 1: But I don't care. You can't talk about the second half.
Speaker 3: They had three hundred and eighty eight yards, twenty seven points,
Speaker 3: no turnovers. The offense did their job and they showed
Speaker 3: they can win a different type of game with the
Speaker 3: way the defense closed it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was you know, I was tracking other games
Speaker 2: at the time, but you know when you saw the
Speaker 2: halftime stats and you saw the highlights, you're thinking yourself, like,
Speaker 2: what are we? Is this the Is this the story
Speaker 2: of the twenty twenty three season? And perhaps it might?
Speaker 2: And it's almost like the football gods were like, let's
Speaker 2: tone it down in the second half here, Actually, we
Speaker 2: want to overplay our hand at this point.
Speaker 1: And that allowed the Saints to get back into the game.
Speaker 2: And the Saints are a team that seems to be
Speaker 2: always dealing with some level of drama.
Speaker 1: They lost their quarterback again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Derek Carr hurt his shoulders and they listed him
Speaker 3: as having the plural concussion.
Speaker 1: Your bull shoulders, No, his shoulders.
Speaker 3: I meant to like, it was multiple injuries. It his
Speaker 3: shoulder and they tested him for concussion. I need to
Speaker 3: follow up on that. They believe because Car spoke after
Speaker 3: the game, which is usually a sign actually you passed
Speaker 3: the concussion part of that. But he took a brutal
Speaker 3: hit on his best play of the game. Actually, he
Speaker 3: showed toughness on a great throw to Olave and then
Speaker 3: just got absolutely hammered and he struggled before he left,
Speaker 3: he had a fumble, he held the ball, and then
Speaker 3: Jamis comes in and immediately goes like three for three
Speaker 3: and through two of the most improbable touchdowns of the
Speaker 3: season according to Next Gen Stats. Actually, I think that
Speaker 3: was why I was in my mind. His throat to
Speaker 3: Olave was the least probable touchdown of the entire season,
Speaker 3: and I swear the other one where he threw it
Speaker 3: across his body to at Perry and it was just
Speaker 3: a babe, a better play by Jamis even than the
Speaker 3: Olave one, which was just an outstanding play by a
Speaker 3: Lave and a good throw like those are two of
Speaker 3: the best touchdowns of the season.
Speaker 1: But then reality always abut yeah, the reality.
Speaker 3: Said, And he threw a couple interceptions, and he had
Speaker 3: three different chances to potentially have a game tying driving
Speaker 3: the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: In all three times the Vikings defense stood up.
Speaker 2: It's a shame too for the New Orleans offense, because
Speaker 2: it seemed like they were starting to find a groove
Speaker 2: there with with Carr and Kamara and Taysom with a
Speaker 2: lave waking up a little bit. But now once again
Speaker 2: cars we don't know what his his situation is. Also
Speaker 2: Michael Thomas, it should be known he played in this game,
Speaker 2: left with an injury. It's not believed to be serious.
Speaker 2: It was an the issue, but he was also arrested
Speaker 2: on Friday for an alleged confrontation with a construction worker
Speaker 2: near his home.
Speaker 3: It was living in the police report, so I don't
Speaker 3: need to say reported, but according to the police report
Speaker 3: or Michael Thomas was upset someone he believed was recording him,
Speaker 3: like one on his phone. It was like an a
Speaker 3: contractor construction worker next door, and he walked over and
Speaker 3: slapped the phone out of the guy's hand. I don't
Speaker 3: know what else exactly happened, but he played in this game,
Speaker 3: had any injury. They believe he'll be okay. They actually
Speaker 3: said they didn't think it was serious. They have a
Speaker 3: buy now, so I think there's some optimism car In
Speaker 3: Thomas will return. And I do think it's important to
Speaker 3: note like Daniel Hunter had three quarterback hits in this game.
Speaker 1: He was leading the league in sex.
Speaker 3: I didn't mention him on my Defensive Player of the
Speaker 3: Year ranked you know, talk the other day and he's
Speaker 3: he's in that mix too, and he was making a
Speaker 3: big play on one of those interceptions by Winston.
Speaker 1: He got pressure.
Speaker 3: And I think it's cool that, like their defense really
Speaker 3: has played like a top ten defense. To me, it's
Speaker 3: telling like this was a coaching wink. You give koc
Speaker 3: all this Saints talent an offense, and if you give
Speaker 3: Brian Flores maybe what the Saints defense has, I think
Speaker 3: it's like they would the Saints would then win this game.
Speaker 3: I really believe that the coaching in this game particularly
Speaker 3: makes that big of a difference.
Speaker 1: Dennis Allen's defense is not making a big different.
Speaker 2: Nice start for the team of ATN And just a
Speaker 2: reminder that all this Dobbs excitement, the greatest wide receiver
Speaker 2: in the world is on the Vikings. He's been out
Speaker 2: for a month, but we could see him returning to the.
Speaker 1: Fray not too long from now.
Speaker 2: So that adds another layer to it, and that went
Speaker 2: into the thinking, at least for the old Zeusser of
Speaker 2: why this is the team of ATM because you get
Speaker 2: to root for a team that has justin Jefferson.
Speaker 1: So there's that, and I want to give a little
Speaker 1: love to TJ. Hockinson.
Speaker 2: This According to the Elias Sports Bureau, Gregy the second
Speaker 2: NFL tight ends is nineteen seventy eight to catch at
Speaker 2: least ten passes for one hundred yards and a touchdown
Speaker 2: in one half. And that's playing with a tear of
Speaker 2: cartilage in his rib area, playing through pain, kept on
Speaker 2: getting whacked. That's a guy that you like to go
Speaker 2: to war with.
Speaker 3: That's sort of what I'm talking about with koc It's
Speaker 3: like they started Brandon Powell. Addison, who was great, made
Speaker 3: another really good catching almost a near touchdown. He always
Speaker 3: just his hands are great. But they started Brandon Powell
Speaker 3: and Jalen Naylor at wide receiver and they're still getting
Speaker 3: and not really getting a running game other than Dobbs,
Speaker 3: but he ran for forty four, which makes a big difference.
Speaker 3: Adding to that, that's what I mean, and yet they
Speaker 3: still find a way. You get Hawkins in the ball.
Speaker 3: It's impressive. It's impressive. They're a game and a half
Speaker 3: up on that seventh spot right now. At this point
Speaker 3: they were actually I would say, considering their schedule and everything,
Speaker 3: it's weird to say this with Josh Dobbs, but at
Speaker 3: this point I sort of think they're the heavy favorite
Speaker 3: to get a playoff spot at this.
Speaker 2: Point, imagine imagine saying that or thinking that after week
Speaker 2: three when they were zero and three, we might, we
Speaker 2: might give you, give it to you.
Speaker 1: You deserve it, all right.
Speaker 2: Let's head to the big shootout that went down across
Speaker 2: the sidewalk here in Englewood.
Speaker 1: Here we go, final play of the game. Ryan's going
Speaker 1: for the win.
Speaker 8: Forty one yard field goal to tamp pashpark left side.
Speaker 1: Wait to snap there it is Fox the whole Patterson
Speaker 1: the kick, it is up and it is good. They
Speaker 1: got it. That's a big line on the final playing
Speaker 1: the game. Good won a game. It was back and
Speaker 1: forth they went, no separation between these two. Almic Patterson
Speaker 1: sends it.
Speaker 9: Through to secure up forty one thirty eight victory for
Speaker 9: the Lions.
Speaker 3: Great call, great f yeah by Dan Campbell. Run out
Speaker 3: to the middle of the.
Speaker 1: Deserving a Bungo.
Speaker 2: Him man fight pecas See girl brom tongue.
Speaker 1: Yes, the field goal was.
Speaker 2: Good at the gun, lifting the Lions to a forty
Speaker 2: one thirty eight win over the Chargers, who had a
Speaker 2: lot of pluck, a lot of fight, but they just
Speaker 2: could not find a way to stop the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 1: Uh, nobody could stop anybody in this game.
Speaker 2: Actually one of those pure shootouts where defense is really
Speaker 2: just an idea rather than something that truly exists. And
Speaker 2: I want to call attention to and I think we
Speaker 2: have sound for it. One of my favorite play calls
Speaker 2: of the entire year, and it was so on brand.
Speaker 1: It was so on brand for Dan Campbell and the Lions.
Speaker 2: And yet it was still so impressive to see a
Speaker 2: team be so fearless and just believing in who they are.
Speaker 1: It's fourth and two for the Lions.
Speaker 2: They have the ball, They're already in field goal range
Speaker 2: here with one forty seven to play in the game,
Speaker 2: they're at the charges twenty six. I understand we're in
Speaker 2: the era now where coaches like to be aggressive, but
Speaker 2: when the rubber meets the road, there's not many coaches
Speaker 2: that are going to pass on a very makeable field
Speaker 2: goal this late in the game. But Campbell was smart.
Speaker 2: He said, first of all, I believe in my offense.
Speaker 2: Second of all, I know my defense is having a day.
Speaker 2: And when you factor those two things in he said,
Speaker 2: let's go for it, and they passed the ball Sam
Speaker 2: laporta six yard gain, And crucially that means Justin Herbert,
Speaker 2: who is lights out with Keenan Allen in this game,
Speaker 2: does not see the field again. Otherwise, if you assume
Speaker 2: that they make the field goal instead there, you're giving
Speaker 2: Herbert about a minute and a half to do damage
Speaker 2: there and potentially steal the game.
Speaker 1: Here is Campbell on his decision making there.
Speaker 10: Going into that situation. You know, if you don't there
Speaker 10: can be a lot of time left. You know, you
Speaker 10: kick field goal, you know. So I just I wanted
Speaker 10: to finish with the ball in our hands. I liked
Speaker 10: where we were at offensively, We're playing good golf, was
Speaker 10: in a good spot, and and I just I felt
Speaker 10: like that was the right thing to do.
Speaker 2: He explains it greg matter of factly, but that was
Speaker 2: extremely You have to have like onions, like great big
Speaker 2: onions to make a decision like that in that game,
Speaker 2: and it seems like it wasn't even a hard choice.
Speaker 1: That's part of the reason everybody loves this guy. I
Speaker 1: love him too.
Speaker 3: He's a great coach, and I think the contrast between
Speaker 3: him and Brandon Staley was so there tonight because Brandon
Speaker 3: Staley came in. He's misster fourth down guy, and then
Speaker 3: Campbell hoists Staley on his own fourth down. But Tard,
Speaker 3: you know, my favorite all time. I don't think Staley
Speaker 3: would have been ready for that moment. The thing with
Speaker 3: the Lions is you can see what their situational football
Speaker 3: reminds me of the Patriots back in the day. And
Speaker 3: I know I bring a lot back to the Patriots,
Speaker 3: but Campbell knew before that sequence what he was gonna
Speaker 3: do in that scenario, Like they get prepared. Brandon Staley,
Speaker 3: on the other hand, when there was a big fourth
Speaker 3: and one, just the previous drive, burned a very valuable
Speaker 3: time out to get everything together before they called what
Speaker 3: was ultimately an extremely effective fourth and one ended up
Speaker 3: being a long touchdown.
Speaker 1: So you can't kill him.
Speaker 3: But I always see with the Lions that they're ready
Speaker 3: for these scenarios. They sort of have it gamed out
Speaker 3: and like the game not too fast for Dan Campbell
Speaker 3: in a way that I I think it is for
Speaker 3: a lot of coaches, including Staley, who's a defensive coach ultimately,
Speaker 3: and I think this game, especially against another guy who's
Speaker 3: hired the same year in the contrast and giving up
Speaker 3: eight point three yards per play and all these touchdowns
Speaker 3: in on a day where the Chargers scored a touchdown
Speaker 3: on their last five drives, literally their last five drives.
Speaker 3: They are the first team. This is again, I think
Speaker 3: from Josh Dubo the Associated Press. To score a touchdown
Speaker 3: on their all their drives in the last forty minutes
Speaker 3: of the game and not win unbelievable. So like, actually,
Speaker 3: Herbert showed up in the biggest way possible and Staley's
Speaker 3: defense just couldn't do literally a thing for him.
Speaker 2: And it's funny because they started out they go three
Speaker 2: and out the Chargers to start the game. They have
Speaker 2: a field goal drive and then and then Herbert throws
Speaker 2: an interception. So it starts as a totally different game,
Speaker 2: but you know, it turns into what we saw, and yeah,
Speaker 2: I think gets you could look at it two ways
Speaker 2: with the lines because there's a team that considers itself
Speaker 2: a true Super Bowl contender and this was a pretty
Speaker 2: epic no show by their defense to consider themselves as contenders.
Speaker 2: And you worry how this would look against a team
Speaker 2: like the Eagles, for instance, in the divisional round or
Speaker 2: something like that, like you have to have somebody that's
Speaker 2: gonna show up. I don't think they had a sack
Speaker 2: in this game that they could not, as Greg pointed out,
Speaker 2: get any type of spot. They had no answers or
Speaker 2: adjustments for Keenan Allen, who was just shredding them all night.
Speaker 1: One hundred and seventy yards seventy five yards on eleven matches.
Speaker 2: Unreal, and that sandwich dround by the way, he came
Speaker 2: out of the game briefly with a shoulder, went back
Speaker 2: in the game, came out again and went into the
Speaker 2: locker room, and then every time he was back on
Speaker 2: the field he was making huge plays.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they.
Speaker 2: Finished the charges with four hundred and twenty one yards,
Speaker 2: but that almost doesn't tell the story because down the
Speaker 2: stretch they were as unstoppable as any team you'll see
Speaker 2: this year.
Speaker 3: Well also because of their defense. They only got nine
Speaker 3: drives in the game, which is not a huge amount.
Speaker 3: So to put thirty eight points in nine drives as wild.
Speaker 3: Then again, the Lions, you know, did forty one and
Speaker 3: ten drives. It's it's just crazy. And I had I
Speaker 3: wouldn't say a friend of the show. I'm not familiar
Speaker 3: with Mike be at Bolt Tweeter, but he asked me.
Speaker 3: He says, Greg, I need you to spend as much
Speaker 3: time as possible tearing Brandon's day to shreds. This week,
Speaker 3: Chargers fans are begging you, we need help, don't I
Speaker 3: don't think you need help. I think the way this
Speaker 3: team is going that they just find different ways to lose.
Speaker 3: It's just like when the offense plays well, the defense doesn't,
Speaker 3: or vice versa. In the end of games, Herbert can
Speaker 3: play out standing and then they end up like I
Speaker 3: think it's gonna take care of it for you, Like
Speaker 3: if this team doesn't make the playoffs, I don't think
Speaker 3: you need my help. And I just don't think they're
Speaker 3: gonna make the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you're right, it's there is that frustration.
Speaker 3: Never know, maybe Herbert just like is an FU the
Speaker 3: rest of the way, like this was a big game
Speaker 3: for him. Maybe he turns it on, but I sort
Speaker 3: of doubt it.
Speaker 1: Oh for sure.
Speaker 2: I mean he's coming off a game against the Jets
Speaker 2: rare he threw for one hundred and thirty six yards,
Speaker 2: did not have a touchdown. Kem Nowen was all but
Speaker 2: a race in that game with the exception of a
Speaker 2: big catch to help lock down that win on Monday night.
Speaker 2: So on a short week for them to show up
Speaker 2: and ball out the way they did. And I want
Speaker 2: to give a little because we brought it up in
Speaker 2: the newsroom, Greg give a little love also to Aman
Speaker 2: Ross Saint Brown because he is you know, I do
Speaker 2: the Superstar club and that seems ridiculous Steven talk about it,
Speaker 2: but he is the first lines player since Calvin Johnson
Speaker 2: to record four straight games of at least one hundred yards.
Speaker 2: He ended with a career best one to fifty six
Speaker 2: on eight receptions and a touch in this game. It's
Speaker 2: just I mean, what else can you ask for from
Speaker 2: a number one receiver. It's consistency, it's the production, it's
Speaker 2: in big moments, who also played very well in this game,
Speaker 2: has a real one there.
Speaker 3: And it's also knowing he's the receiver that he's gonna
Speaker 3: end up by the end of the season. I would
Speaker 3: guess maybe doubling the number two receiver who's probably will
Speaker 3: be Sam Laporta on this team. So that's outrageous, but
Speaker 3: they are running the ball incredibly way. Having Montgomery back
Speaker 3: is huge. He ripped a long one and Jamiir Gibbs
Speaker 3: is making big plays. They run for two hundred yards.
Speaker 3: They ran for one hundred and seventy in the first half,
Speaker 3: which is just crazy. And you're right about the Lions
Speaker 3: in terms of contending, like who knows, but they are
Speaker 3: absolutely contending for the one seed, which seems weird to
Speaker 3: think about. But they're seven and two, which on its
Speaker 3: own is contending for the one seed. They do not
Speaker 3: play a team with the winning record until Week sixteen.
Speaker 3: They finish at Minnesota, at Dallas, and then Minnesota again,
Speaker 3: which is a very interesting final three weeks. But their
Speaker 3: next five weeks are against teams five hundred or worse.
Speaker 3: They're going to be favored in all those games, even
Speaker 3: if they lose one of them. They are going to
Speaker 3: be in the mix for home field advantage.
Speaker 1: And my last note is.
Speaker 2: An apology to the Lions who are hitting all right.
Speaker 2: Buttons I and I'm not alone on this was questioning
Speaker 2: why they blew up their backfield because Jamal Williams set
Speaker 2: the touchdown record and DeAndre Swift was a really nice
Speaker 2: change of pace guy. But David Montgomery had a gorgeous
Speaker 2: seventy five yard touchdown run. In this game, he had
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixteen yards and twelve carries. Jamiir Gibbs
Speaker 2: had another big game with two touchdowns. They are great,
Speaker 2: They are a great ten and there are not a
Speaker 2: lot of holes with this team. Well, the defense got
Speaker 2: to clean it up, but the offense they can score
Speaker 2: on anybody. Let's take a break and then bring in
Speaker 2: the pipe.
Speaker 1: All right, welcome back.
Speaker 2: It's time now for the Sunday Drive, presented by the
Speaker 2: first ever Toyota Grand Highlander. Let's head to Baltimore, where
Speaker 2: Gregy's Ravens look to keep it rolling against the Brownies.
Speaker 1: What that's not true?
Speaker 11: A little pause. Here's the snap. It's a good one.
Speaker 11: Behold is good. The kick is on its way end
Speaker 11: over end, and it is good. But there's a flag
Speaker 11: on the field. Hold everything, don't.
Speaker 2: Flag me on the Callil Hamilton jumping over and it
Speaker 2: looked like he made contact with the brown trying to
Speaker 2: do the Miles Garrett.
Speaker 1: We'll see, yeah, think of the call like Joe.
Speaker 11: Celebrating from the Browns are celebrating from.
Speaker 1: Still go will this will land the game? And that
Speaker 1: will land the ball game?
Speaker 11: The Browns have won it thirty three thirty one, and
Speaker 11: they've come from behind.
Speaker 1: Where's the Siliana. Tom McCarthy with the call w k
Speaker 1: r K.
Speaker 2: Another field goal the gun, and this one an absolute stunner.
Speaker 2: Dustin Hopkins makes up for a yanked pat that would
Speaker 2: have tied the game in the second half after a
Speaker 2: stunning pick six by the Browns. He makes up for
Speaker 2: it with that field goal and the and the Browns
Speaker 2: beat the Ravens thirty three to thirty one. Now we
Speaker 2: welcome in White, possibly the largest Cleveland brown fan physically.
Speaker 1: I mean he's a beast. I mean, Joe Thomas is
Speaker 1: a Browns fan now, Yeah, but have you seen him recently.
Speaker 1: He's you know, trim, and he's pretty strong looking.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, I don't I would roll the dice
Speaker 2: with Shook the pipe Nick Shook feeling no pain, I'm
Speaker 2: sure in Ohio today because a game that the Ravens
Speaker 2: seem to have completely in hand, they let get away
Speaker 2: and the Browns are right in the thick of it
Speaker 2: in the AFC North as a result.
Speaker 12: Yeah, biggest famous Browns fan, John big Dog Thompson. I
Speaker 12: don't know if he's still with us, but when they
Speaker 12: came back in ninety nine. He was the face of
Speaker 12: the expansion of the return to the league. So I
Speaker 12: don't even come close to that guy.
Speaker 1: But well, that guy seems fine, but I'm still going
Speaker 1: with Shook. Yeah. Well, plus we don't know if he's alive,
Speaker 1: so to put him.
Speaker 12: To the side, of course, I texted somebody do a
Speaker 12: show with longtime friend who is older than me, was
Speaker 12: around for the Browns hated in the eighties, and I said,
Speaker 12: when was the last time that you saw a Browns
Speaker 12: team fight back in a game that looked like they
Speaker 12: were surely going to lose and actually finish the job,
Speaker 12: get to the precipice of it and come through, because
Speaker 12: typically they botched that he texted me back nineteen eighty eight, which,
Speaker 12: of course was a bit facetious, but that just goes
Speaker 12: to tell you how rare this is for the Browns
Speaker 12: for them to go into Baltimore and win a game
Speaker 12: in this fashion where they were down seventeen to three
Speaker 12: before they could blink in the first quarter, where they
Speaker 12: were down by fourteen points on four separate occasions, and
Speaker 12: he raced that every single time and didn't hold a
Speaker 12: lead until there were no seconds left in the clock.
Speaker 13: What a game in Baltimore.
Speaker 12: The fight I saw from this team I have not
Speaker 12: seen from a Browns team in my life, and it's remarkable.
Speaker 12: It starts with their defense, but the offense did its
Speaker 12: part too. Deshaun Watson finally had a moment that, you know,
Speaker 12: kind of made Browns fans think maybe.
Speaker 13: The trade was worth it.
Speaker 12: He was nearly flawless in the second half, passes of
Speaker 12: over ten are yards, a perfect fourteen for fourteen, extending
Speaker 12: plays with his feed, even if he did suffer a
Speaker 12: bit of an injury during this game. Just a remarkable
Speaker 12: performance on both sides of the ball and one that
Speaker 12: I sat back and thought, Wow, I cannot believe that
Speaker 12: they won that game, because it was a statement against
Speaker 12: a team that looks like one of the best teams
Speaker 12: in football, and the Browns went toe to toe with them.
Speaker 1: Sugary.
Speaker 2: It's twenty four to nine late in the third quarter
Speaker 2: in this game, and I had said on the Thursday
Speaker 2: preview show that I thought this was was the end
Speaker 2: of excuses for Watson.
Speaker 1: He needs to be a guy that these type of games.
Speaker 2: Is one of the biggest Browns games in a long
Speaker 2: time against the Ravens, in Baltimore.
Speaker 1: There's a lot on the line. We all know, as.
Speaker 2: Cestog is known to say that they ripped from the
Speaker 2: belly of Cleveland, the Ravens. There's always going to be
Speaker 2: a lot of bad blood for that reason as well.
Speaker 2: And Andrew Ciciliano, who I mentioned minutes ago, longtime Browns fan,
Speaker 2: he told me, texted me today we're texting about the game.
Speaker 2: He said, he's screaming at his phone on the podcast
Speaker 2: that I would even say that Watson needed to step
Speaker 2: up in this game because they were down three offense
Speaker 2: of linemen and he was in a very difficult spot.
Speaker 1: And you saw that in this game.
Speaker 2: How I there were not many times where Watson has
Speaker 2: a clean pocket to work with and he's taken a beating,
Speaker 2: and the stats reflective he throws a pick six Greg
Speaker 2: immediately his numbers are terrible. They just seemed dead in
Speaker 2: the water. So the fact that the offense with Watson
Speaker 2: were able to steady themselves in the second half, it
Speaker 2: really was kind of a growing up type game for them.
Speaker 12: Well yeah, you know, at one point he was two
Speaker 12: for eleven in this game. I mean, he looked pretty
Speaker 12: bad and they looked bad. As an offense.
Speaker 1: The offense.
Speaker 3: He finishes twenty for thirty four, So do the math.
Speaker 3: There was barely an incompletion after that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's fourteen to fourteen in the second half. But yeah,
Speaker 2: he looked, he looked jittery. The Ravens pass rush was
Speaker 2: going nuts, David Clowney was having another big game, and
Speaker 2: then it all kind of shifted.
Speaker 1: Well that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the helmet interception pick six by Greg Newsom was
Speaker 3: massive in this game. And this is the third week
Speaker 3: out of three I believe where all bouncing off a
Speaker 3: helmet has turned into a huge play for the Browns.
Speaker 3: They're now two and one in those scenarios, two.
Speaker 1: Three touchdowns right right, No one.
Speaker 3: The J Paul Adams wasn't a touchdown. It led to
Speaker 3: the game winning touchdown for the CX. But it's good.
Speaker 3: Maybe that shows that it's going the Browns way. But
Speaker 3: I am I'm with you on the excuses. Forget about
Speaker 3: the tackles. It's like C. J. Stroud was lighting people
Speaker 3: up without an entire offensive line earlier in the season.
Speaker 3: The Texans lost seven starters last week and just beat
Speaker 3: the Bengals. So yes, if you're gonna be a great quarterback,
Speaker 3: you do have to overcome things like that, and it
Speaker 3: sounds like Watson did today kind of talk me through
Speaker 3: the fourth quarter there where where they do have those drives.
Speaker 3: There was a seventy five yard drive that ended with
Speaker 3: the Elijah Moore touchdown, the game winning field goal drive,
Speaker 3: and even before that, a seventy five yard drive to
Speaker 3: get at to twenty four to seventeen, Like, what what
Speaker 3: did those drives look like? Was it like the Kevin
Speaker 3: Stefanski offense. Was it the Deshaun Watson offense? What what
Speaker 3: are they doing?
Speaker 12: Well, it was kind of vastly different from drive to
Speaker 12: drive because the first one you talked about, the May
Speaker 12: twenty four to seventeen was a methodical drive. I think
Speaker 12: it was the law uest drive the Browns had put
Speaker 12: together in terms of time and play.
Speaker 1: Ten minutes, like in like ten fifteen years.
Speaker 12: I can't remember exactly what the stat was, but it's
Speaker 12: been a very long time since they'd put that type
Speaker 12: of drive together. They ended it in classic Browns fashion,
Speaker 12: pounding on the ground with Kareem Hunt after failing to
Speaker 12: do so on the doorstep of the end zone earlier
Speaker 12: in the game. So that was refreshing. But then the
Speaker 12: next drive, you start to feel a little desperation creeping
Speaker 12: because you realized, look, it's early fourth quarter, we're running
Speaker 12: out of time, You're still down two scores. They go
Speaker 12: seventy five yards and six plays, and the key play
Speaker 12: being Watson rolling away from pressure as he'd been under
Speaker 12: pressure all day, looking like, oh no, what's gonna happen?
Speaker 13: Is he gonna get stripsacked? Is he gonna fumble?
Speaker 12: Is he gonna make a mistake, And just as he's
Speaker 12: about to cross the line of scrimmage, he finds Elijah
Speaker 12: Moore wide open in the end zone for a touchdown.
Speaker 12: A connection that has not been there all year. Was
Speaker 12: refreshing to see as well. So there were two very
Speaker 12: different drives in terms of style. And then, of course,
Speaker 12: as you said, the pick six that's really what changed everything.
Speaker 12: But even then they get the ball with like four
Speaker 12: and a half minutes to go, and I'm thinking, I
Speaker 12: don't know, man, full field, like, all you gotta do
Speaker 12: is getting field goal range. It'd be a lot nicer
Speaker 12: if you're the Browns, if you were TI right now
Speaker 12: than being down thirty one to thirty.
Speaker 1: And yet they followed through.
Speaker 3: They came through, and they killed the entire clock, which
Speaker 3: is very difficult to do.
Speaker 12: At one point, I was like, they need to speed
Speaker 12: up a little bit, and they didn't. They it was
Speaker 12: a measured drive they made. You know, they connected on
Speaker 12: pass as David Joki played a big part in the
Speaker 12: second half for them. And then the play that I
Speaker 12: think he explained it all was who wants this win more?
Speaker 12: And off to Jerome Ford going to the right side
Speaker 12: and almost the entire offense gets him to scrum with
Speaker 12: him and pushes him forward for an extra six yards.
Speaker 12: That right there to find who this Brown team could
Speaker 12: be because they do play hard and definitely play hard
Speaker 12: to the end.
Speaker 2: And on the flip side of that, Greg you have
Speaker 2: the Ravens, who, by the way, were banged up in
Speaker 2: this game as well. Cornerback Marlin Humphrey goes out left
Speaker 2: tackle Ronnie Stanley, he limped to the locker room.
Speaker 1: He did not return. It is now that's three.
Speaker 2: They've had a great year over all, the Ravens, but
Speaker 2: that's now all three of their losses have been bad ones,
Speaker 2: like tough ones, ghastly and that that run that Nick
Speaker 2: is referring to is like who wants a more moment?
Speaker 2: In the cruci bow of the game. And it's that
Speaker 2: DNA that I just wondered about with Baltimore. I know
Speaker 2: they're gonna be okay. I know they're probably I don't
Speaker 2: want to say they're probably gonna win this division because
Speaker 2: it is wide open.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, they have a half game lead
Speaker 1: on two teams.
Speaker 2: But can they really avoid this type of blow up
Speaker 2: in January because it pops up periodically this team.
Speaker 3: This is a two year trend. Now, no team in
Speaker 3: the NFL has lost more ten point leads since the
Speaker 3: start of last season than John Harbaugh's Ravens. So you
Speaker 3: know who's second, Like he doesn't have a coaching job anymore.
Speaker 3: It's Josh McDaniels and the Raiders. So it's like there,
Speaker 3: it's crazy that down this game they got out gained
Speaker 3: the other two that they blew earlier in the season.
Speaker 3: They totally outplayed their opponents and managed to lose this one.
Speaker 3: They have a monster lead and get out played. They
Speaker 3: couldn't run the ball nearly as well as the Browns.
Speaker 3: There is two things canna be true. I think they
Speaker 3: have the the ingredients to go win a Super Bowl
Speaker 3: because they're very balanced, and yet there is something about
Speaker 3: them that clearly is blows games with leads, and that's
Speaker 3: that's very worrisome.
Speaker 12: It's it's the fourth quarters. It was the case against Pittsburgh.
Speaker 12: The game against Indianapolis was just a weird one where
Speaker 12: they had like nine opportunities to win it and just
Speaker 12: couldn't do the job. It's been in the margins, like
Speaker 12: they're just not winning in the margins, and it's leading
Speaker 12: to these not like collapses or meltdowns, but somewhere in
Speaker 12: between the descriptive word I can't come up with right now.
Speaker 12: That's what they've been is just like slowly falling apart
Speaker 12: and letting the other team that kind of doesn't have
Speaker 12: any business being in the game. The Pittsburgh game was
Speaker 12: like that, even today was like that. They let them
Speaker 12: back in the game and then before they know what,
Speaker 12: they look up and they're about to lose or they
Speaker 12: are losing. And that's a concerning sign because if you're
Speaker 12: a contender, you really want to win a Super Bowl,
Speaker 12: you don't make those types of mistakes against the better
Speaker 12: opponents in that hall, against.
Speaker 3: The lesser Yeah, now you got the Bengals, Like this
Speaker 3: division race is ooh, it's fun insane.
Speaker 2: Guess what Bengals are in last place? And who do
Speaker 2: you think the Browns have? They got the Steelers. So
Speaker 2: Week eleven is going to be a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: And that was the Sunday Drive presented by Toyota Let's
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Speaker 2: Highlander Shook. Let's head to Seattle, another game that went
Speaker 2: down to the very end.
Speaker 1: Here we go.
Speaker 9: It comes down to this, Jason Myers between the hash
Speaker 9: marks from forty three.
Speaker 1: The kick is going to.
Speaker 9: Be long enough.
Speaker 1: The Chickens god another one Buyers went on the last
Speaker 1: play of the game.
Speaker 9: But Sehawks facing all kinds of issues in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 9: they come back, they score and now they win it
Speaker 9: on the last play from forty three yards.
Speaker 2: Out deeper Abel Seahawks Radio Jason Myers at five field goals,
Speaker 2: including that forty three yarder you heard his time expired
Speaker 2: and the Seattle Seahawks survive. The Washington Commander is a
Speaker 2: twenty nine to twenty six when shook, we heard there
Speaker 2: that exactly how it was phrased. There all kinds of
Speaker 2: problems or obstacles.
Speaker 4: Is he is?
Speaker 1: What is he referring to for Seattle today.
Speaker 12: I think this game was a perfect example of how
Speaker 12: football is very much a four quarter sport because this
Speaker 12: was a snooze fest going and a halftime. Guys, just
Speaker 12: field goals left and right, one touchdown, and an extra
Speaker 12: point that wasn't converted, so it made it look like
Speaker 12: two field goals on the scoreboard. I thought, is this team?
Speaker 12: Is this game ever gonna wake up? One of these
Speaker 12: teams actually going to start to find some success offensively. Now,
Speaker 12: Seattle's defense has been young and hungry, good, you know
Speaker 12: that and everything else. We've been around that block a
Speaker 12: few times. But it was more an example of these
Speaker 12: two teams that just couldn't hit their stride, and then
Speaker 12: all of a sudden, out of nowhere, the points start
Speaker 12: coming in bunches. The last five possessions between these two
Speaker 12: teams they went like this, field goal, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown,
Speaker 12: field goal, end of game. That's where all the points
Speaker 12: came from, because before that it was punt, punt, punt,
Speaker 12: field goal, fumble, end of half, all that in between,
Speaker 12: nobody could get the job done. It's like they just
Speaker 12: woke up and when, oh god, we're playing football. It's
Speaker 12: the fourth quarter. It's a tie game or it's a
Speaker 12: very close game, maybe we should do our jobs. And
Speaker 12: Seattle ended up being the one because they had the
Speaker 12: ball last. They did their job better well.
Speaker 3: They had twenty seven first down four hundred and eighty
Speaker 3: nine yards. It didn't feel like it, you know, even
Speaker 3: in the first half they had over two hundred yards.
Speaker 3: They were sloppy. I think it was a big second
Speaker 3: half for Gino. Look, there were there were some booze
Speaker 3: at what is it, what do they call it now?
Speaker 3: I believe yeah, yeah, yeah, there were some booze, which
Speaker 3: you know, you don't hear it. There's certainly been a
Speaker 3: lot like I, I know you've been talking Gino, and
Speaker 3: I've been pushing back, but you're not the only one. Locally,
Speaker 3: they've been talking about whether they should bench Drew Locke
Speaker 3: and everyone pushing back on that. And he was uneven.
Speaker 3: Even though his numbers weren't bad, Gino was very uneven.
Speaker 3: Was missing some throws and he wasn't on the same
Speaker 3: page with his receivers in the first half, which is
Speaker 3: why I think the second half was huge, because he
Speaker 3: basically played perfect. Him and Lockett connected ended up with
Speaker 3: eight for ninety two. Like that was a great touchdown
Speaker 3: past to him. DK Metcalf who didn't really like use
Speaker 3: his physicality. I think sometimes like he doesn't play as
Speaker 3: big as he is and let a few balls like
Speaker 3: contested catches. He didn't get him in the first half.
Speaker 3: He's a monster in the second half, including on the
Speaker 3: game winning drive, a couple game winning drives, and Gino
Speaker 3: had had a couple total dime so to finish the
Speaker 3: game the way he did to quiet it down on. Really,
Speaker 3: their defense has been fine this year. It's been their
Speaker 3: offense that has concerned me. They needed a big offensive
Speaker 3: game and they got it. And there's six and three,
Speaker 3: even though that hasn't felt like a great six and three.
Speaker 2: I would have two drives by Sam Howe that in
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter there to tie the game.
Speaker 1: I would have went for two maybe yeah.
Speaker 3: The Ron rivera one, And maybe he didn't because he
Speaker 3: thought there was too much time left. That is sort
Speaker 3: of the analytical way to look at it is Actually,
Speaker 3: when there's a minute left, there's such a good chance
Speaker 3: they could get a field goal anyways, that don't even
Speaker 3: bother to risk it. But Ron Ron's got like the
Speaker 3: riverboat Ron of quarterbacks, right, now.
Speaker 1: You might as well go after him. He really is
Speaker 1: like Minie Russ.
Speaker 3: I was thinking that because he was in Seattle, like
Speaker 3: Sam Howell is poor Man's Russ Wilson. Like everything today
Speaker 3: that was good was out of structure. It wasn't any
Speaker 3: like timing throws.
Speaker 2: But they were talking about the good Russ Wilson from Seattle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely good, and there were a lot There was
Speaker 3: a lot good from how today.
Speaker 12: It's weird because I watched Sam Hall and I'm like
Speaker 12: slowly falling in love with his play style. Even though
Speaker 12: there's like a boneheaded mistake or two every game, you
Speaker 12: know it's coming. He did it in New England and
Speaker 12: threw a pick in the end zone. He did it
Speaker 12: on Sunday when he tried to scramble too far and
Speaker 12: ended up fumbling. But that fumble didn't end up hurting
Speaker 12: them because Seattle couldn't do anything with it. But at
Speaker 12: the same time, it's the out of structure stuff. It's
Speaker 12: the way that he just finds ways to make plays.
Speaker 12: And it's the touchdown drives that he had in the
Speaker 12: fourth quarter of this game, including the touchdown pass to
Speaker 12: Dianni Brown that tied the game.
Speaker 1: I mean that was like, oh, that was a gem.
Speaker 13: Strike over the middle.
Speaker 12: It was so stunning that I think the defense was
Speaker 12: shocked he had the ball and then he's in the
Speaker 12: end zone and the stadium stunned and they don't know
Speaker 12: what to say because they were pretty much trying to
Speaker 12: put away a win right there.
Speaker 13: So I love watching him play. I very much agree with.
Speaker 3: It ended up working out well for them that they
Speaker 3: gave up the score of that quickly and.
Speaker 2: They sold at the deadline. So this is not the
Speaker 2: same team that broke camp. But you know, Washington's defense
Speaker 2: was supposed to lift them this year and it's been bad.
Speaker 1: They get the Cowboys twice.
Speaker 2: Still, they get the Dolphins, and the Nine are still
Speaker 2: in their schedule, So I think Washington is going to
Speaker 2: make a quick exit from the playoff picture, but maybe
Speaker 2: they'll be fun watching it as they do it.
Speaker 1: Let's move on one more show. You want to hang
Speaker 1: around for one more do it.
Speaker 2: Let's head to Tampa where the Bucks are looking to
Speaker 2: get off the sneide.
Speaker 1: Heere's makefield shotgun? Look looks right? How back to his left?
Speaker 1: Those towards left caught Baull Evans at the five three two.
Speaker 1: It stops. Have a burg there you go, fire the cannon.
Speaker 14: Spike Evins really nice, John A.
Speaker 5: Baker, he had those happy fi He looked to his left,
Speaker 5: who's right, But then he was able to find Mike
Speaker 5: Evans coming on an in row right in the.
Speaker 1: Middle of the field. I love my Jean dagger off
Speaker 1: w f U S.
Speaker 2: Mike Evans atoned for a hideous drop earlier in the game.
Speaker 1: I'm a short touchdown with.
Speaker 2: That bulldozing TD score provided the Bucks with some breathing
Speaker 2: room in an eventual twenty to six win over the Titans,
Speaker 2: shook e Bucks snap a four game losing skid, and
Speaker 2: the Titans are back to being one.
Speaker 1: Of the most boring teams in the world. That about right,
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, that's absolutely right.
Speaker 12: Look we'll go winners first, because the Buccaneers finally experienced
Speaker 12: the sweet taste of victory for the first time in
Speaker 12: a month, something that they probably felt they should have
Speaker 12: had once or twice prior, and it was Baker Mayfield
Speaker 12: leading the way. I my buddy, longtime best friend since college,
Speaker 12: was in town this weekend. He works in Tampa. He said,
Speaker 12: the discourse down there is that they should consider going
Speaker 12: to Kyle Trask, and I said, are you crazy?
Speaker 13: Have you watched this team? Baker's one of the only
Speaker 13: good things stopping with this offense right now.
Speaker 3: And Mike Evans, literally every fan base does like if
Speaker 3: you lose games quarterback, no matter what.
Speaker 13: There's no context, it's the worst the exactly.
Speaker 2: Baker basically won a game last week before I got
Speaker 2: stolen away by the kid.
Speaker 13: It was his fault that they gave up thirty nine points.
Speaker 12: But it was also his fault that Mike Evans couldn't
Speaker 12: catch a pass today, right wrong. Mike Evans was going
Speaker 12: through it on the sideline emotionally. He walks over to
Speaker 12: the sideline, he slams a cooler with his fist, he
Speaker 12: puts a towel over his head that is in his hands.
Speaker 12: He's emotionally distraught because he can't figure out how to
Speaker 12: catch passes, and then suddenly he finds it again. And
Speaker 12: that's how they just cruise to a victory. And I
Speaker 12: say cruise because it was only twenty to six. But
Speaker 12: if you watched his Titans offense last week or this week,
Speaker 12: you know their ceiling is very low. And that's not
Speaker 12: a knock on Will Levis.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that even after watching it last week,
Speaker 3: I thought they were showing some promise last week.
Speaker 13: Yeah, there's finished the drives. This is the problem.
Speaker 1: This is a big Yeah.
Speaker 2: Levis had the four touchdown game, and then even on
Speaker 2: Thursday night against the Steelers, he was throwing some balls
Speaker 2: that were like, okay, you see what Yeah, see what's there?
Speaker 2: So I was kind of bummed to be watching this
Speaker 2: one from a farm and be like, oh, where is
Speaker 2: the sizzle?
Speaker 1: We thought maybe we had a stake on our hands here,
Speaker 1: but apparently not.
Speaker 13: Well, you know, you know what the problem is, guys,
Speaker 13: is they can't run the ball.
Speaker 12: Derrick Henry two point two yards carried at an eleven attempts, Like,
Speaker 12: that's not going to get the job done. You have
Speaker 12: a rookie quarterback. What's the best way to help him out?
Speaker 12: Get some easy targets to your tight ends and establish
Speaker 12: a running game. They don't have that. I think it
Speaker 12: starts up front for them. It's not Levis's problem. He's
Speaker 12: a rookie. He's still trying to figure it out, and
Speaker 12: he's showing off his arm and all that stuff. He's
Speaker 12: doing all right, but the offense, just their potential is
Speaker 12: not there. It's why they had six points in this
Speaker 12: game today. It's not that Tampa's defense is suddenly great again.
Speaker 12: It's that they're playing a team that was much less
Speaker 12: capable offensively than the opponent they faced last week. So
Speaker 12: it's gonna be tough for the Titans. I hate to
Speaker 12: say it, because I was not a Will Levis fan
Speaker 12: coming out of the draft, but I've been pleasantly surprised
Speaker 12: by how he's played.
Speaker 13: It's just that, you know, one stat really defined it
Speaker 13: to me. Tampa's sent the.
Speaker 12: Blitz all afternoon at him because they had no fear
Speaker 12: that he was going to make them pay for it.
Speaker 12: Because they had no reason to fear it because he's
Speaker 12: a young guy and they're just they lack talent in
Speaker 12: certain areas. So gonna be a tough one Titans fans.
Speaker 12: I'm sorry, maybe he's your future, but this year is
Speaker 12: not gonna be an easy one to.
Speaker 2: Swazn't shook have that that little boy on Christmas Eve
Speaker 2: glow is like at the family party. Christmas Eve party
Speaker 2: where it's about six pm. Everybody's you know, had their
Speaker 2: dinner or whatever, and now it's becoming real that we're
Speaker 2: going home soon and it's off the bead with the
Speaker 2: milk and cookies and Santa's coming that shook today around.
Speaker 1: He's just in a great He's in a great happy place.
Speaker 2: He's in that good little boy or girl on Christmas
Speaker 2: Eve place, and you deserve it.
Speaker 1: Shooky.
Speaker 12: I'm already formulating my strategy to convince my mother to
Speaker 12: let me open a gift early.
Speaker 1: Oh. I love it, I love it.
Speaker 3: I mean, the Calves beat the Warriors the other night.
Speaker 3: It is uh, it is Cleveland time, and Bucks fans
Speaker 3: like like your buddy or I don't know, maybe he
Speaker 3: just lives there and he's not a fan. They're tied
Speaker 3: in the lost column for the lead in the NFC South.
Speaker 3: There is no reason that the Bucks can't win this
Speaker 3: lousy division. I mean, I give them, I give them
Speaker 3: just about as good a chance as as the other
Speaker 3: two contenders. At least they have, you know, Mike Evans
Speaker 3: having this nice browback season.
Speaker 1: He reminds me of t O.
Speaker 3: No one makes more tough catches but drops easier catches than.
Speaker 1: You guys.
Speaker 12: I can even sit back and enjoy Baker Mayfield's play
Speaker 12: and have no disdain for him whatsoever.
Speaker 13: Like I'm enjoying watching him play quarter.
Speaker 1: You're in a good place. You're in a very healthy mind.
Speaker 13: This morning I was feeling pretty dangerous and we.
Speaker 1: All love it. Sure, all right, Chokey, Thanks Bud, See
Speaker 1: you next week.
Speaker 13: All right, guys, thanks, all right, Let's.
Speaker 1: Keep moving to the field formerly known as Hines.
Speaker 6: Three seconds left, first and ten at the sixteen, they're
Speaker 6: in cover six.
Speaker 1: Here's the snap. He's back, he looks, he fires for
Speaker 1: the goal line. Peter stepped in, head down his table.
Speaker 5: This game.
Speaker 1: Don't kill the special teams coach. You killed the special
Speaker 1: teams coach tended to watch him. Oh, it just got
Speaker 1: a little heavy over there. Some people got rocked. Packers
Speaker 1: got rocked. They sure tough year Green Bay.
Speaker 2: The Steelers got scoring runs from Jalen Warren and naj
Speaker 2: Harris for the defense closed it out with that interception.
Speaker 2: It was a twenty three nineteen win over the Packers
Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh, Greg.
Speaker 1: This feels like a lot of Steelers games this year.
Speaker 2: They're out gamed at times, they seem like an undercooked entity,
Speaker 2: but then they make the play when it matters, and
Speaker 2: they get the big stop at the end, and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden and they got another win.
Speaker 3: You took the words out of my mouth that I
Speaker 3: didn't feel like I learned anything about either one of
Speaker 3: these teams. They both continued on the path. I guess
Speaker 3: I would say both offenses have shown some signs of
Speaker 3: life the last couple of weeks, and that continued. The
Speaker 3: Steelers ran for two hundred and five yards, and they
Speaker 3: when they ran that well against the Titans, who are
Speaker 3: pretty good run defense, that okay, maybe they got something near.
Speaker 3: Warren goes for one oh one, Naje Harris goes for
Speaker 3: eighty two. They both have the touchdowns, as you mentioned,
Speaker 3: so they had a running game. Pickett still had his
Speaker 3: share of struggles, but it's something even for them. Getting
Speaker 3: over three hundred yards is something. And the Packers actually
Speaker 3: moved the ball pretty well all game. They just kind
Speaker 3: of ran out of time and couldn't get that winning touchdown.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, log it up?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right, I did lock it up. Give
Speaker 1: it to me, Eric, Eric, I'm having a down year
Speaker 1: in the Locks. At the very least. You you shouldn't
Speaker 1: have me engineering.
Speaker 3: I mean, I sort of forgot. Mark also locked this up.
Speaker 3: So double it up here we were talking about it earlier,
Speaker 3: and uh, I just want to say thank if Nick Westling,
Speaker 3: if you're listening, I was absolutely planning to lock the Ravens,
Speaker 3: but you sort of shame me out of taking these
Speaker 3: six the six and a half point spread.
Speaker 1: So you you got me a win today. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm not even joking. That's one hundred percent what happens.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're just that just shows you what living
Speaker 2: in a blessed existence in the picks this year. Let's
Speaker 2: let's let's face it. You're like the Falcons at the
Speaker 2: beginning of the year.
Speaker 1: But this is what the Steelers do.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think there it said AP said they're
Speaker 3: the twenty second team. I believe Josh Dubo of the
Speaker 3: AP to be out gained, I mean nine straight weeks
Speaker 3: to start the season, and the other teams that have
Speaker 3: done that are combined thirty three two.
Speaker 2: And so that suggests, okay, let's let's let's stop there
Speaker 2: for a second. That suggests that this is regression coming
Speaker 2: for this team, because it's not like they play in
Speaker 2: a bad It's not like, using the Falcons as an example,
Speaker 2: they're playing in some dog division and steal in a
Speaker 2: bunch of ones. They are in the best division in football,
Speaker 2: and yet they have found a way each almost every week.
Speaker 2: Here there's six and three now, and you mentioned Pickett,
Speaker 2: like he is not making the strides that they expected
Speaker 2: into at a certain point you think this is going
Speaker 2: to catch up with him, or if you want to
Speaker 2: look at it as a positive side of things as
Speaker 2: a Steelers fan, they're still figuring things out and winning
Speaker 2: and if they ever actually lock into something offensively in
Speaker 2: terms of actual some type of style, maybe they can
Speaker 2: you know, this is just the beginning.
Speaker 1: Well, that's so I've been looking at that.
Speaker 3: At some point, if they keep winning these games, they're
Speaker 3: kind of bound to start playing better and then actually
Speaker 3: deserve to win me games. And I actually think Pickett,
Speaker 3: although he was very lucky, there was a call Packers
Speaker 3: fans will be going crazy about where it appeared he
Speaker 3: threw a backwards pass that was a total that would
Speaker 3: have been a change of possession. They rule that it
Speaker 3: was not there was There wasn't like a perfect angle
Speaker 3: that was right on the on the right spot to
Speaker 3: see it until someone on Twitter, I don't know if
Speaker 3: they were in the crowd or what it was, did
Speaker 3: sort of have the right angle and it did.
Speaker 1: Like a scoop and score or what.
Speaker 3: No, but they would have been a change of possession
Speaker 3: and ball ball in the Steelers end.
Speaker 1: And I actually was I was encouraged late in this game.
Speaker 3: I wanted to point out it was third and nine
Speaker 3: with just over two minutes to go and uh and
Speaker 3: the Packers did not have a time out, and actually
Speaker 3: with exactly two minutes to go, it was after the
Speaker 3: two minute warning, and I stunned that they called the
Speaker 3: pass there so instead of running the ball, they actually
Speaker 3: trusted Pickett to throw the ball and he threw a
Speaker 3: dime for twenty eight yards and it got called back
Speaker 3: because of an offensive pass interference. I did lead to
Speaker 3: that play, but it was a very aggressive, extremely aggressive
Speaker 3: play call, I would say, considering the situation, they hit it,
Speaker 3: the penalty didn't happen, and then they they ended up
Speaker 3: making the spot. They're not a great defense right now,
Speaker 3: but they have been playing well like when they've needed to,
Speaker 3: including this game.
Speaker 1: And the Packers.
Speaker 2: Was it Lafloor or was it the GM that kind
Speaker 2: of put Love a little bit on the spot in
Speaker 2: the second half, saying they need to see something still
Speaker 2: waiting for him to kind of to break through here.
Speaker 2: There's been an issue for Love with Christian Watson, which
Speaker 2: has been a surprise. I think a lot of us
Speaker 2: saw Watson as a guy that could take the next
Speaker 2: step this year because of how well things ended last year.
Speaker 1: Love has ten interceptions this year.
Speaker 2: Five of them are when targeting Watson, and you're seeing
Speaker 2: almost every week where they just not on the same page.
Speaker 1: Well Watson, it wasn't.
Speaker 3: It was a tough throw to try to attempt, but
Speaker 3: Love's first interception went off Watson's hands in the end zone.
Speaker 3: It would have been a great catch, but ultimately it
Speaker 3: was a pretty good throw. He got it to Watson's hand,
Speaker 3: it got deflected. That was one of the reasons they lost.
Speaker 3: I thought this was I would have to watch it
Speaker 3: even closer, but I think this was Love's best game
Speaker 3: of the season. They said they wanted to see more
Speaker 3: out of them. A third and seven play, touchdown, third
Speaker 3: and sixteen play, touchdown, fourth and six play. U picked
Speaker 3: it up with the pass that they went. It was
Speaker 3: very A third and seven play late in the game
Speaker 3: forty six yards, third and ten play late in the
Speaker 3: game thirty two yards, and the two interceptions. You could
Speaker 3: almost understand you know, you hate the end the game
Speaker 3: that way, but one hit Watson's hands.
Speaker 1: One was kind of at the very end. I thought
Speaker 1: he showed some progress. All right, let's keep moving here.
Speaker 2: The Niners went into their by with a bad taste
Speaker 2: in their mouth, a three game losing streak. Who saw
Speaker 2: Dak coming? And they go to Jacksonville to face the Jaguars,
Speaker 2: who were on a winning streak. Would the losing streak continue?
Speaker 2: Not even close?
Speaker 1: Chucking down one a play called losing streak, a five
Speaker 1: step drop Jack's winning streak. Oh he's gone touchdown.
Speaker 7: Oh he's strutting, said Fred six level killed the beast
Speaker 7: on a wheel route and George Kittle's wheels.
Speaker 1: There is nothing wrong with him.
Speaker 2: They feed they know, Yeah, that is great, keep feeding
Speaker 2: the beast. They don't do that really with Kittle. Typically
Speaker 2: he only gets a few opportunities in this offense to
Speaker 2: make an impact most weeks, and.
Speaker 1: He always seems to Greg popping Tim Ryan with the
Speaker 1: call rock Purdy.
Speaker 2: Okay, there's another theme Greg that can go by the wayside.
Speaker 2: Because he played great on Sunday, throwing three touchdown passes,
Speaker 2: including that sixty six yarder to George Kittle and the
Speaker 2: Niners snap that three game losing skin with a thirty
Speaker 2: four three beat down of the Jags, who deliver a
Speaker 2: comprehensive stinker.
Speaker 1: To end their winning streak at five games. Greg, you
Speaker 1: won't hear any talk.
Speaker 2: About what's wrong with Brock this week, all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: all is well with the Niners.
Speaker 1: No, you won't hear that.
Speaker 3: I'm torn which side to start on because both sides
Speaker 3: dominated so thoroughly. Let's start with Brock, and I think
Speaker 3: he played outstanding. But I also think we knew the
Speaker 3: forty nine ers are back early when they were running
Speaker 3: the ball well. This is against one of the best
Speaker 3: run defenses in the league. On paper, maybe we overrated
Speaker 3: the Jaguars defense, but the numbers were great. CMC gets
Speaker 3: one hundred and forty two from scrimmage. The forty nine
Speaker 3: ers run for one hundred and forty four. Perdy was
Speaker 3: throwing the ball well right off the bat, but they
Speaker 3: were in good down and distance situations. I think Trent
Speaker 3: Williams being back was huge, like he was particularly blowing
Speaker 3: open huge holes. He did it, I believe. On the
Speaker 3: Deebo Samuel touchdown as well. Debo had a rushing touchdown
Speaker 3: so part of it was just like they're healthier. Drake
Speaker 3: Greenlaw looked a lot healthier than he has at earlier
Speaker 3: points of the scene. But when they can run, it
Speaker 3: all makes sense. And there was like two plays where
Speaker 3: Perdy did kind of what I'm talking about, where it's like,
Speaker 3: I think he's been the same guy all along, and
Speaker 3: like sometimes his crazy plays work, sometimes they don't. His
Speaker 3: first touchdown was a wild throw and it was a
Speaker 3: really good throw to Auk but it was into like
Speaker 3: double coverage in the end zone and he hit it.
Speaker 3: That touchdown to Kittle, I think was an underratedly great throw. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Kittle like got open late, but Perdy just stood in
Speaker 3: there and took a hit. And if it was just
Speaker 3: like a half second earlier, it's like that hand hits
Speaker 3: his arm, it flies up, it's an interception, so he
Speaker 3: can take risk. But I actually think he played a
Speaker 3: little safer other than those plays for the rest of
Speaker 3: the game, and they just looked freaking amazing. I mean,
Speaker 3: they look like the best team in the NFL.
Speaker 2: Again, I think one of the things working against Perdy
Speaker 2: beyond just this overall, Oh he was mister irrelevant blah
Speaker 2: blah blah, is he doesn't have great arm talent in
Speaker 2: terms of strength, so it doesn't come out of his
Speaker 2: hand like some of the guys that have, you.
Speaker 1: Know, Howitzers to use that.
Speaker 2: Adjective that's been thrown around for decades in our league,
Speaker 2: which is a very large gun.
Speaker 3: Greg, it's kind of funny, I get old, like World
Speaker 3: War Two, Like, I mean, there's you could write a
Speaker 3: term paper on the war. Like lexicon in football, there's
Speaker 3: there's a.
Speaker 2: Lot, right, because you could be a basic and say, oh,
Speaker 2: he's got a canon for an arm right, But.
Speaker 1: If you say Howitzer, it's like, oh, that gout, Now
Speaker 1: that's a man. That's just the way this country is. Anyway.
Speaker 1: On the other side of the ball, yes, we should
Speaker 1: get there too, the Jaguars.
Speaker 2: And here's something very rarely happens for me, But got
Speaker 2: this one wrong, Greg, I really thought this was a
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence big step forward year.
Speaker 1: I thought I had him as a dark horse for MVP.
Speaker 2: And I'm not putting all of their issues on Lawrence,
Speaker 2: but the Jacksonville offense, even during that five game winning streak,
Speaker 2: you're just not seeing that big step forward. And this
Speaker 2: was obviously a flame out at home against the big contender.
Speaker 2: They have four turnovers and there just isn't enough consistency
Speaker 2: and really big plays in this offense.
Speaker 3: Three turnovers from Trevor Lawrence, you know, individually, two picks
Speaker 3: in a fumble Like the first half, I thought it
Speaker 3: was you know, it was thirteen three at half time,
Speaker 3: and I actually think that it was closer than the
Speaker 3: score indicated, but they were just making big mistakes. Lawrence
Speaker 3: then sort of collapsed in the second half, and you're
Speaker 3: absolutely right, there's going to be a Trevor Lawrence. How
Speaker 3: come he's not making the leap. He's been a little
Speaker 3: bit part of the problem this season.
Speaker 1: Conversation this week.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm ready to go there yet,
Speaker 3: but he's not elevating everything around him like I think
Speaker 3: he avoids mistakes. Well for the most part, he didn't today,
Speaker 3: but he hasn't been making enough special throws and today,
Speaker 3: especially like Nick Bosa and Chase Young, they combined for
Speaker 3: a sack early in this one where Bosa just literally
Speaker 3: just takes the ball away from laur like Lawrence, and
Speaker 3: that's what you know, they imagine when they traded for
Speaker 3: Chase Young. He was quiet otherwise, but the rest of
Speaker 3: the defensive line really ate. So I think it's a
Speaker 3: combination of things, as it often is. Their offensive line
Speaker 3: for the Jaguars definitely lost that matchup.
Speaker 2: Today, And it just it's expectations were so sky high
Speaker 2: for Lawrence coming into the league that you expected at
Speaker 2: this point he would be in full flight, and yet
Speaker 2: he's taken a bit of a step back. And I
Speaker 2: think it's just it also shows why sports are great
Speaker 2: that you had this matchup where the final pick of
Speaker 2: the draft, Rock Party went against the first pick in
Speaker 2: the draft and Lawrence, and you saw the guy who's
Speaker 2: picked last easily outplay his.
Speaker 1: Ill him a rival.
Speaker 3: Well, they weren't the same counterparts, weren't the same draft
Speaker 3: right now that I think about.
Speaker 1: It, Howard Serve Howitz, who comes.
Speaker 3: I I just I think like two things could be
Speaker 3: true with people should not be like crushing Lawrence, but
Speaker 3: we have people.
Speaker 1: Are ready to crush though, Like if he has one,
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be.
Speaker 3: I can kind of think I can kind of see
Speaker 3: it out there. It's like I saw Richard Sherman was
Speaker 3: talking about and I and I think what Richard Sherman
Speaker 3: is saying is right, is that we were told he
Speaker 3: was generational, and to this point, on balance it hasn't
Speaker 3: been generational. But even this year, I would say he's
Speaker 3: been good. He's not the first thing. I just was
Speaker 3: a little surprised that both their lines what were dominated.
Speaker 3: It kind of reminds me of that even Seahawks game
Speaker 3: last week, where it's like, yes, Gno played bad in
Speaker 3: that Seahawks Ravens game, but both lines were just so
Speaker 3: dominant for the Ravens on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 3: That's like, well, it's hard to really just talk about
Speaker 3: the quarterback, like the team was just so much better.
Speaker 3: And that was the case. This was a measuring stick
Speaker 3: game in Jacksonville. They were talking about it and they
Speaker 3: got whacked with that stick. Forty nine ers took that
Speaker 3: stick out and Nick Wesseling had a great lock here.
Speaker 3: I would give them credit for that. This is this
Speaker 3: was the game two lock, thirty four to three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is sane.
Speaker 2: I don't know if the Nick's lost the lock in
Speaker 2: quite a bit now, so the Zoo is starting to
Speaker 2: feel itself led by Nick. I think he called himself
Speaker 2: the keeper, which.
Speaker 1: Is I mean he lost branding.
Speaker 3: I still remember that Jets one maybe that was that
Speaker 3: was the win that really turned the Zoo's season.
Speaker 1: I mean, you should talk. You've been falling into locks
Speaker 1: this season every week. Please none of it.
Speaker 2: I was gonna lock this and then I accidentally locked that.
Speaker 2: It all worked out for me. How many times do
Speaker 2: I have to hear the same themes?
Speaker 1: So my math is correct, it would be Greg at
Speaker 1: nine and one.
Speaker 2: Now see I didn't ask either, But no, I'm saying,
Speaker 2: because you're talking about the West Bros.
Speaker 1: They are I think that would put them two behind.
Speaker 2: Okay, seven, I know, Dan, I'm sorry, but we don't
Speaker 2: need to dwell on my failure.
Speaker 1: You know, I'll just clip this together. We don't even
Speaker 1: have to bring it up again.
Speaker 2: We'll just neatly just clip this out in the edit
Speaker 2: and no one will have ever heard it. All right,
Speaker 2: let's keep moving, uh and head to the desert where
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray's back.
Speaker 1: How about that? Here we go.
Speaker 14: The snap's good, the balls down, the kick is up,
Speaker 14: and the kick is good, and the Cardinals win it.
Speaker 1: Twenty five twenty four. Now, welcome back Kyler.
Speaker 14: Kyler Murray engineering but game winning drive and Arizona gets
Speaker 14: its second win of the season.
Speaker 1: It awesn't get any better than that. For Kyler Murray's return.
Speaker 1: I like that. That's like an actual human being, like
Speaker 1: go to the grocery store, but get me off a polarm.
Speaker 2: Like he lives his entire life talking like that, and
Speaker 2: everyone around him has to act like it's normal.
Speaker 1: Who is that Wolfley?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, which Wolfy? Because we got a rotten Ronnie wolf Yeah.
Speaker 1: They're actually surprised me today. I didn't notice making up
Speaker 1: our little call sheet. There are quite a few.
Speaker 2: Wolf Lees in the Uh yeah, that's in the color
Speaker 2: commentary business.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: See, because we automatically say, oh, game winning field goal,
Speaker 2: let's use that as a highlight.
Speaker 1: We should have went with.
Speaker 2: Some Kyler magic there, because who wants to watch a
Speaker 2: twenty three yarder in any capacity?
Speaker 1: Matt Prater's still getting it done. Big time production meeting
Speaker 1: after the show today. Here we got one Eric Roberts
Speaker 1: in a big spot. Randy got me here, give it
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 14: Funk shotgun snap. Murray backs up to fifty Yeah, near side.
Speaker 5: It is undercrof homa bang at the ten yard line
Speaker 5: by McBride. He gets up to run and he's tackled
Speaker 5: at the nines McBride the first Cardinal tie in thirty
Speaker 5: four years with a one hundred yard receiving game and
Speaker 5: the Cardinals goal we need will flee uh ooh on
Speaker 5: lock time one quarter pound of swets.
Speaker 1: That was good. I like that.
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray threw for two hundred and forty nine yards,
Speaker 2: including that big tight end hookup to set up the
Speaker 2: game winner by Matt Prater. Kyle also ran for a
Speaker 2: touchdown in his return from reconstructive knee surgery, and the
Speaker 2: Cards snap a six game losing streak, edging the Falcons
Speaker 2: twenty five to twenty three. GREGI watching the highlights here
Speaker 2: reminded me how much I missed. I didn't think I
Speaker 2: would feel this way because he's never been my favorite player,
Speaker 2: But I miss seeing Kyler Murray, those tiny legs and
Speaker 2: a China helmet, just wreaking havoc on the second level
Speaker 2: of defenses.
Speaker 3: I know I was gassing Kyler up on Twitter today
Speaker 3: and so many of the responses are just like, he
Speaker 3: looks so small out.
Speaker 1: I think people just like weren't youth. They forgot not
Speaker 1: seeing them. And it's the helmet.
Speaker 2: The helmet, really, it's seven times the size of a
Speaker 2: standard a helmet in the league.
Speaker 3: But he's a legit, you know, top ten talent at
Speaker 3: quarterback and I would say a borderline just top ten
Speaker 3: quarterback period. And it was really exciting because he was
Speaker 3: just back. There was like maybe there will be rest
Speaker 3: in future weeks. But he did the things that Kyler did,
Speaker 3: like that throw to McBride not a great throw, but
Speaker 3: the decision was awesome that they he decided to be
Speaker 3: so aggressive in that spot. He saw the matchup that
Speaker 3: he liked, he went for it, and I think he
Speaker 3: made really good decisions throughout the game, so that that
Speaker 3: might be a good sign moving forward for this offense.
Speaker 3: Drew Petsick, who did such a nice job with Dobbs
Speaker 3: that like it's gonna be a match like the offense
Speaker 3: made sense, they moved the ball.
Speaker 1: I thought they looked like the better team.
Speaker 3: And he also had a thirteen yard scramble during that
Speaker 3: game winning drive to keep it alive, and to me,
Speaker 3: that was you know, the play of the game where
Speaker 3: Murray traveled sixty eight point nine yards on that scramble.
Speaker 3: He essentially ran back thirty yards then ran forward about
Speaker 3: forty and he had a top speed and.
Speaker 1: It's not going to get to what do you like?
Speaker 1: You wantant it? Well, it's everybody's twenty one. I want twenty.
Speaker 3: I mean he'd even got close to that. He only
Speaker 3: got to twenty point one seven.
Speaker 1: But it was his Skyler. This is Kyler. We actually
Speaker 1: have the sound of that play. Let's go to it.
Speaker 1: We got all this sound. Fake me out.
Speaker 3: I mean right after I did my NFL Plus segment
Speaker 3: on the short Kings of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: It's a trend.
Speaker 3: It's his fastest speed though since twenty twenty one, so
Speaker 3: faster than anything you did actually, so it kind of
Speaker 3: showed he looked like he had juice and he looked
Speaker 3: like a good quarterback today.
Speaker 2: And Jonathan Gannon, you know, had a conversation with Kyler
Speaker 2: Murray before the end. Because the Cardinals, who are a
Speaker 2: team obviously in big time transition trying to figure out
Speaker 2: their future, they did have the option of keeping him
Speaker 2: out of play this season and protecting themselves financially. They
Speaker 2: instead decide to get a look at Kyler, and apparently
Speaker 2: they're going to give him very little in terms of restrictions.
Speaker 1: Here's a again after the.
Speaker 7: Game before this week about I think tempering what we
Speaker 7: said from Kyler when we.
Speaker 1: Saw that out there to day. Did he surprise you
Speaker 1: at all?
Speaker 10: Or maybe that's why he laughed at me.
Speaker 3: Kyler Murray does not lack for confidence, and I get
Speaker 3: that that. The Gannon was almost saying, maybe you should
Speaker 3: temper your expectations. Kyler like, let's not, you know, get
Speaker 3: carried away, and he was just like laughing. He's like,
Speaker 3: come on, man, I'm Kyler Murray. I'm no Desmon rhddor
Speaker 3: I'm no Taylor.
Speaker 2: What happened with the Falcons in this game? Heinikey no,
Speaker 2: tell me Don riders back in my life?
Speaker 1: He is.
Speaker 3: I think he's going to be the quarterback after the
Speaker 3: bye week because heinike and the Falcons averaged one point
Speaker 3: five yards per drop back, one point five under four
Speaker 3: yards per attempt. When Heinecke actually threw the ball, and
Speaker 3: it was very ridder like he was just holding onto
Speaker 3: the ball forever. They couldn't do anything throwing the ball,
Speaker 3: and it wasted a very nice Bajon Robinson game where
Speaker 3: he goes over one hundred yards. They gave the football
Speaker 3: yes and gets a touchdown. They did what everyone asked.
Speaker 3: They used him in the red zone and they in
Speaker 3: Heineke had a couple of runs. They ran the ball well,
Speaker 3: I think they got what one hundred and eighty four
Speaker 3: yards on the ground, and yet Heinik couldn't do anything
Speaker 3: throwing the ball, and then he heard his hamstring and
Speaker 3: he went out. Ridder comes in and Ritter didn't do much,
Speaker 3: but he didn't do anything negatively, and he did run
Speaker 3: for a game winning touchdown if the defense had just
Speaker 3: held onto it. They had a seventy four yard fourth
Speaker 3: quarter drive to take the lead when they were down
Speaker 3: five points. And to me, I think Arthur Smith's probably
Speaker 3: just looking for an excuse to put Ridder back in anyways,
Speaker 3: and he said he wanted to take the buy and
Speaker 3: then make decision.
Speaker 1: Heinez go. Who knows how long he might be out
Speaker 1: anyways with the hamstring injury. So I think it's back.
Speaker 2: And if Heinike could be frustrated. But if you throw
Speaker 2: for fifty five yards and three quarters before getting hurt,
Speaker 2: you leave yourself vulnerable to lose that gig. All right,
Speaker 2: let's take a break here and then we'll finish up.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: You may remember the first Sunday night football game of
Speaker 2: the year. It was a disaster for the Giants forty
Speaker 2: to nothing the loss to the Cowboys, and it was
Speaker 2: a sign of things to come. The rematch with Tommy
Speaker 2: DeVito behind center, it wasn't much better.
Speaker 8: Second and ten back to throw, Tyron Smith locks a guy.
Speaker 1: Up right side of the end zone.
Speaker 8: Lamb, Hello CD touchdown Ceedee Lamb. Lamb now has a
Speaker 8: touchdown rushing and a touchdown receiving, and Aubrey will line
Speaker 8: up for the extra point that would make it forty
Speaker 8: two to seven.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, bra had sham the sham got friend
Speaker 2: of the Show. Amazing Greg, which is one pep talk
Speaker 2: from tugboat. Then for ceedee Lamb, you take that press.
Speaker 2: He has been the best wide receiver in the league
Speaker 2: for three weeks now.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe you're a little too harsh on you know.
Speaker 2: You go look at look how it's different now, Look
Speaker 2: at the difference the ends zones being found. He is
Speaker 2: in the middle of everything and the Cowboys are humming.
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott through for four hundred and four yards and
Speaker 2: four touchdowns. He ran for another score. This is one
Speaker 2: of the greatest stack games you'll see. And I know
Speaker 2: it's against the Giants, but I'm just saying it is.
Speaker 2: It was just taking candy from a baby. Cowboys rout
Speaker 2: the Giants for the second time this season, forty nine
Speaker 2: to seventeen. The home winning streak for the Cowboys quietly
Speaker 2: is up to twelve games. And I'm gonna do some
Speaker 2: quick math here. Nine forty eighty nine to seventeen seventy
Speaker 2: two point margin, the largest in the sweep of an
Speaker 2: NFC East opponent ever for the Cowboys. So yeah, if
Speaker 2: they could play the Giants every week, they would be
Speaker 2: the greatest team ever.
Speaker 1: As it was.
Speaker 2: As it is, they're six and three, Greg and a
Speaker 2: couple bumps in the road, of course, but man, when
Speaker 2: this team is in full flight, they are fun to watch.
Speaker 3: Well, just box score like. And there was a couple
Speaker 3: of numbers that I was like, is this number right?
Speaker 3: First of all, you just said it six and three?
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, yeah, the Cowboys are only six
Speaker 3: and three. Why does it feel like they're better than that?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: They have the same record as the Pittsburgh Steelers and
Speaker 3: the Seahawks, so that it doesn't quite compute.
Speaker 2: I think the Cowboys had more total yards in this
Speaker 2: game of the Steelers have had all year, So.
Speaker 3: Right, The other number is six hundred and forty yards
Speaker 3: right thirty two first downs.
Speaker 1: At one point in this game.
Speaker 2: The six forty twelve yards shy of the franchise record
Speaker 2: greg today.
Speaker 1: That is crazy.
Speaker 3: At one point in this game was three hundred and
Speaker 3: sixty eight yards to twenty seven. So there was the
Speaker 3: proverbial lipstick on a pick.
Speaker 1: Dak got ye.
Speaker 3: I know it was against the Giants, but he's been
Speaker 3: fantastic for four weeks. I don't know if you can
Speaker 3: keep this up the rest of the way, but for
Speaker 3: four weeks, nine point three yards per attempt, twelve touchdowns,
Speaker 3: I think he's been the best quarterback in the league
Speaker 3: for those four weeks.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, I think for those four
Speaker 2: weeks in a wide open year, in this particular race,
Speaker 2: I think he is in the capital T capital C
Speaker 2: convo for the MVP now because his numbers are starting
Speaker 2: to really get inflated. He's playing for a team that
Speaker 2: is fighting for a division. It's the Cowboys, and I
Speaker 2: think he really has a chance here. And he saw
Speaker 2: some things and again you just don't want to get
Speaker 2: too crazy about it, because the Giants are they're moribund.
Speaker 3: We know that this is this is they're the worst
Speaker 3: team in the NFL. I guess the Panthers are close, but.
Speaker 2: Now with you have Tommy DeVito at quarterback in addition
Speaker 2: to all their other issues. And yes, I agree they
Speaker 2: are the worst team in football. But they got big games,
Speaker 2: yes from Ceedee Lamb who was a monster eleven for
Speaker 2: one point fifty one, but Brandon Cooks came to life.
Speaker 1: They've been waiting all season for Brandon.
Speaker 2: Cooks to be that guy that gives their offense balance
Speaker 2: and somebody that could take the top off nine for
Speaker 2: one seventy three and a touch on ten targets. Michael
Speaker 2: Gallup even got in the mix of two touchdown catches
Speaker 2: in this game.
Speaker 1: Jake Ferguson continues to.
Speaker 2: Flash as a real guy at tight end and someone
Speaker 2: that they can continue to build around. They're still waiting
Speaker 2: for Tony Pollard to come around, and that's starting to
Speaker 2: become a real issue, I think for this team, because
Speaker 2: even in this bloodbath where they nearly set the franchise record,
Speaker 2: he's averaging three point seven yards per carry, ric O'Donnell
Speaker 2: outgained him. At a certain point, they might have to
Speaker 2: start looking at a timeshare with Pollard to try to
Speaker 2: see if maybe there's a.
Speaker 1: Way to unlock him. But that's a minor quibble.
Speaker 2: Everything else here tells you that the Cowboys have all
Speaker 2: the pieces to continue to build on this Texas Coast offense.
Speaker 3: I think the last two weeks and the sham God
Speaker 3: pointed out in that highlight cost showsway he's so good
Speaker 3: that Tyron Smith locking down whoever was rushing the passer.
Speaker 3: The Giants defensive line has kind of fallen apart late
Speaker 3: for the last two weeks after being good. Tyron Smith
Speaker 3: and Tyler Smith next to each other the last two weeks,
Speaker 3: especially like two weeks ago they were outstanding against Philadelphia
Speaker 3: and Tyron Smith has been struggling with injuries. If they
Speaker 3: get him back to being I'm not saying like Hall
Speaker 3: of Fame caliber Tyron Smith, but back to close to
Speaker 3: what he can be, and then Tyler Smith to me
Speaker 3: is one of the best young offensive linemen in the
Speaker 3: entire league. Those two guys next to each other on
Speaker 3: the left side, like you can build. They got a
Speaker 3: lot to build around on offense. But that's another huge
Speaker 3: sort of weapon that they got this Giboys team.
Speaker 2: No, you kind of you want to see that next
Speaker 2: big test for him, you know, like you want to
Speaker 2: see how they rise in that situation, and the Giants
Speaker 2: just want to wait.
Speaker 1: They just want the season to be over.
Speaker 2: They are very much in play for the top quarterback
Speaker 2: in the draft class.
Speaker 1: So I kind of look into this one, jerks. But
Speaker 1: what you know, what you just got, we'll see, we'll
Speaker 1: get to it.
Speaker 3: But I am tracking tankathon and there is a big
Speaker 3: Giants Patriots game coming up next to next week.
Speaker 1: You know, Bill doesn't want to lose to the Giants. Well,
Speaker 1: neither team I think is trying to lose, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: But all right, well, last one before Sunday Night football,
Speaker 2: Let's head to Germany where the international series came to end.
Speaker 2: It was the I believe fiftieth international game for the NFL,
Speaker 2: so they celebrated by sending mac Jones to the people
Speaker 2: of Europe.
Speaker 1: Fourth and one converse with the Patriots. The clock is
Speaker 1: moving on them though they're out of timeouts, and Zappi
Speaker 1: fakes He fakes a Crockyeld the goalie fined.
Speaker 12: To that field, picked off by the Colts in by.
Speaker 1: Rodney Thomas Payley.
Speaker 10: Zappe trying to get two.
Speaker 14: He faked bought in the ball.
Speaker 1: He's trying to catch the Colt off guard and feel
Speaker 1: laser over the middle, but it was picked off and snatched.
Speaker 2: Up by Rodney Thomas.
Speaker 5: Yes, sir, the Colts will take that thirty.
Speaker 1: One seconds to go and the Colts and Germany are
Speaker 1: gonna be victorious.
Speaker 2: Matt Taylor with a very enthusiastic call, Hey, you got
Speaker 2: a free trip to Germany.
Speaker 1: Who wasn't a beautiful game, but he.
Speaker 3: Got to call a win for a five and five team.
Speaker 2: For a five and five Colts team, who uh get
Speaker 2: there with a ten to six win on over the Patriots.
Speaker 2: A Patriots team that has all sorts of quarterback questions
Speaker 2: coming out of this game. That was Bailly Zappi uh
Speaker 2: throwing a fake spike interception.
Speaker 1: I don't know what was the funniest thing about.
Speaker 2: It, the fact that he tried the fake spike or
Speaker 2: that he didn't recognize that nobody noticed that he really
Speaker 2: did it, so everyone in the secondary was in full coverage.
Speaker 2: And then he throws a balloon ball over the middle
Speaker 2: that never had any chance. And the reason he was
Speaker 2: in greg was because mac Jones struggled mightily and threw
Speaker 2: maybe the worst pass of his career in the previous
Speaker 2: possession on what should have been a touchdown. Instead it
Speaker 2: was an interception, and Belichick is so mad and frustrated
Speaker 2: he benches his quarterback with one series.
Speaker 1: To go with one series. I don't know if I've
Speaker 1: ever seen that. I haven't.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure it's happened, and maybe I've even
Speaker 3: seen it, but I cannot remember a quarterback being benched
Speaker 3: for essentially a two minute drive to win the game.
Speaker 3: It's crazy, But you don't blame I don't blame him
Speaker 3: at all. As bad as Bailey Zappi has looked in
Speaker 3: brief work this year, including the preseason, Mac Jones has
Speaker 3: just been too much for him. And the offensive line
Speaker 3: was terrible pass protecting early in this game.
Speaker 1: I get it, that's part of it.
Speaker 3: You know they were without Trent Brown, but he just
Speaker 3: crumbled a handful of times this season where just like
Speaker 3: it all just became too much for him. And when
Speaker 3: you're short arming like a wide open Goseki the interception
Speaker 3: that you're talking about, when you're skying a throw that
Speaker 3: that could also could have been a touchdown pass their
Speaker 3: hunter Henry, they.
Speaker 1: Actually moved the ball well.
Speaker 3: They had three hundred and forty yards in this game
Speaker 3: on of the It's weirdly one of their better offensive
Speaker 3: games of the year. I would say, and they and
Speaker 3: they well just because other things like I'm just saying
Speaker 3: that they ran for one sixty seven, so they were
Speaker 3: actually doing something.
Speaker 1: They were moving the ball.
Speaker 3: They looked like the better offense on the day despite
Speaker 3: their quarterback not being able to do anything.
Speaker 1: But Mac Jones is just like too much for him
Speaker 1: and they had to take him out.
Speaker 2: Here's Belichick after thing. You would think with a buy
Speaker 2: coming up the way that game ended that it might
Speaker 2: finally be Mac Jones running out of lives here.
Speaker 1: But here's what Belichick said after the game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I made a decision.
Speaker 1: That's what it was.
Speaker 10: We'll do it next week.
Speaker 1: Next week. Do you still have Jones quarterback?
Speaker 3: Fifth and order players?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Bill of course isn't going to say
Speaker 2: anything because he never says anything, but that benching Jones
Speaker 2: in that way that tells you everything you need to know.
Speaker 2: And we'll see what happens next for the Patriots. But
Speaker 2: they are now two and seven, and it will only
Speaker 2: continue to amplify the talk about not just Mac Jones
Speaker 2: in the quarterback position. But Bill Belichick and what his
Speaker 2: future holds with the team. This is another in a
Speaker 2: you know, a big spotlight game for the organization. It's
Speaker 2: you know, me, Greg, I live for Patriots suffering after
Speaker 2: all the years of me suffering and everyone else suffering.
Speaker 1: But it is gotten to the.
Speaker 2: Point where when they were showing those cuts to Robert
Speaker 2: Craft in his luxury suite and he was looking crestfallen
Speaker 2: and increasingly frustrated, where it's not really surprising anymore because
Speaker 2: this just feels like this is now what the Patriots
Speaker 2: experience is, and all that stuff, all the many years
Speaker 2: of greatness feel like they're already kind of far in
Speaker 2: the rear view because they've had so many troubles in
Speaker 2: the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: Craft really wanted this game. He made it clear.
Speaker 3: He said it publicly, I think he said it privately.
Speaker 3: He said he wanted this game to be a reset
Speaker 3: because this season's been so disappointing, like he hadn't given
Speaker 3: up hope and they've been pushing to be the Germany
Speaker 3: team for a long time. They wanted to do this game.
Speaker 3: They've been working on it for a long time. And
Speaker 3: then you know, Sebastian Vohmer's on the call in Germany.
Speaker 3: He's a big, big podcaster over there. We're working for
Speaker 3: our buddy. I hands some hank And they have this
Speaker 3: game which is the absolute bottom. In the same game
Speaker 3: that they left J. C. Jackson home, remember that one.
Speaker 3: Jack Jones was mysteriously benched for the first quarter plus again.
Speaker 3: They asked mac Jones after the game why they didn't
Speaker 3: throw a hail Mary on the final play of the
Speaker 3: first half, which was very curious. Instead, they had their
Speaker 3: biggest offensive play of the game, Toda Mario Douglas, and
Speaker 3: he said, that's a good question, no clue, which is
Speaker 3: like I said that Mac Jones.
Speaker 1: So he threw a wide receiver screen with no trickeration.
Speaker 1: It was just like Douglas. It was their biggest play
Speaker 1: of the game.
Speaker 3: It was their only play over twenty yards, I believe,
Speaker 3: definitely their only throw over twenty yards.
Speaker 1: And he said no clue, which is a little bit
Speaker 1: of the mac Jones of last year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, their offensive line coach, I wish you know the
Speaker 3: best firm and he has a health issue, but he
Speaker 3: left the team earlier this week Adrian Clem So like
Speaker 3: there's just like a lot happening. And I will remember
Speaker 3: this game because I watched the end of it with
Speaker 3: my entire family, you know, me and Walker. We're up
Speaker 3: in the we're in the garage at six thirty. We're
Speaker 3: having fun, like we enjoyed. It was taking too seriously
Speaker 3: and when that play happened, it was great. The entire
Speaker 3: family actually burst out like in laughter what like no
Speaker 3: lie when the zappy thing happened, because we were just
Speaker 3: like it was so we were just laughter because it
Speaker 3: was it was legitimately funny.
Speaker 1: It was jeople like me are laughing. You usually be
Speaker 1: laughing about but we.
Speaker 3: Just were like, there's like they've watched enough to know
Speaker 3: how bad it is, and I don't know.
Speaker 1: They're so young, you know, you're well, but.
Speaker 3: This year, this year's Patriots ellis is not too in
Speaker 3: Bubba Walker and knows so bad is They're just like,
Speaker 3: this is gonna go horribly. What's gonna happen? Then you
Speaker 3: get the fakes like the interception. Everyone just starts laughing,
Speaker 3: just just.
Speaker 2: For me and for all the other people that you know,
Speaker 2: did deal with the Patriots greatness for so long. Let's
Speaker 2: hear the sentient power aid bottle zolac Uh on the
Speaker 2: mac Jones interception that spelled the end of his Patriots career.
Speaker 1: It is for fun, was absolute Kiff. He gives the
Speaker 1: Colts so it's not competitive. He had get Sicky running
Speaker 1: behind in the back end zone. What's he looking at?
Speaker 1: You gotta make move Bill, pick a move Bie weeks.
Speaker 3: Here, maybe you get the bye week. Maybe Bill was
Speaker 3: listening to Scott. He's gotta he's listening to the broadcast.
Speaker 1: It's good analysis. Good job Colts. By the way, you know,
Speaker 1: I know Colts fans. Let's not go too crazy.
Speaker 3: All I'm saying is good job Shane Steichen. You're five
Speaker 3: and five, you don't, you have no reason to be.
Speaker 3: That's good coaching. Jonathan Taylor, nice body control on that
Speaker 3: first touch that it was actually quite a nice run
Speaker 3: on a fourth down that ended up being the difference
Speaker 3: of the game.
Speaker 1: You got Buckner, you got some pass rush. Like the
Speaker 1: fact they're fin Pittman's like that should have been my touchdown, right.
Speaker 3: You just I'm saying, if you're a Colts fan, you're like, hey,
Speaker 3: we got the coach. Hopefully we got the quarterback. We
Speaker 3: won't find out till next year. We're you know we
Speaker 3: were doing some things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're hanging around and at the very least you
Speaker 2: know they're playing for something after Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: So there you go. Let's head to Sunday Night football.
Speaker 1: Final point in the game, no timeouts left. I never
Speaker 1: liked this prevent defense.
Speaker 7: I would like to have a rush, but I get
Speaker 7: it from the forty four.
Speaker 1: Wilson back to throw. Crosby spins them around. Wilson be chased.
Speaker 5: Crosby's counting back at the forty Else's gonna heap to
Speaker 5: the ends on.
Speaker 9: Door right, pits up in the air, had cut it down.
Speaker 6: Late.
Speaker 9: Hobbs got his hands on it to knock it down
Speaker 9: at the gold and the Raiders win at.
Speaker 8: Home sixteen twelve to get to five and five on
Speaker 8: the season.
Speaker 2: Yes, the Las Vegas Raiders, with Antonio Pierce leading the charge,
Speaker 2: are somehow, some way in the thick of the AFC
Speaker 2: playoff race after another win, sweeping the Medlands Meadowlands Occupants
Speaker 2: Giants first in a blowout and then edging the Jets
Speaker 2: sixteen to twelve.
Speaker 1: When Zach Wilson's.
Speaker 2: Desperation hail Mary heave toward Garrett Wilson was broken up
Speaker 2: by Jets tight.
Speaker 1: End Tyler Conklin.
Speaker 2: Nice play, Bud, and the Raiders improved to four and
Speaker 2: one at home.
Speaker 1: Greg.
Speaker 2: They are not an impressive team. This was at a
Speaker 2: pretty game, but a battle of also rans. It is
Speaker 2: the Raiders who have a pulse as we head toward
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving them the Jets who look like they're fading away.
Speaker 3: Well, it's tough to separate these teams, and if they
Speaker 3: were in the NFC, you would feel like long term
Speaker 3: they maybe have a better chance to make the playoffs.
Speaker 3: But they both only have five losses, so it still
Speaker 3: feels big at this point in the season and you're
Speaker 3: just wondering, like, how do the Raiders win these games?
Speaker 3: Exactly because it's a rookie quarterback and O'Connell, who's looked
Speaker 3: okay through two weeks, had a bad interception but otherwise
Speaker 3: some good plays. But no running back in the league
Speaker 3: dominates the ball more than Josh Jacobs. He is the
Speaker 3: highest percentage of plays of any one in the on
Speaker 3: any offense. And then today DeVante Adams had a higher
Speaker 3: percentage of air yards in this game. In terms of
Speaker 3: like the targets thirteen targets in this game, and just
Speaker 3: like air yards I think of any receiver of any
Speaker 3: game this year. So it's like four different guys and
Speaker 3: a lot of good speeches by Antonio Pierce and then
Speaker 3: Max Crosby. If there's one positive I guess about putting
Speaker 3: the Raiders in prime time so much?
Speaker 1: Like so much?
Speaker 3: Why so much? It has kind of been the Wow.
Speaker 3: Max Crosby is one of the best football players on
Speaker 3: earth and is just involved in every play. So a
Speaker 3: nice couple of months for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get the Crosby Show, and I think Josh
Speaker 2: Jacobs you're starting to see now as the season, you know,
Speaker 2: has reached the halfway point.
Speaker 1: It took him a while to get going after that
Speaker 1: long holdout, but he.
Speaker 2: Had some runs in this game, including a forty yard
Speaker 2: run and that run where he carried the Jets defense
Speaker 2: for five or six yards. He also had a big
Speaker 2: fumble that in the fourth quarter where when it looked
Speaker 2: like the Raiders are.
Speaker 1: About to put the game away.
Speaker 2: But in general, he seems more like the player he
Speaker 2: was last year when he was the rushing champ. Devonte
Speaker 2: Adams continues to be far less productive than he was
Speaker 2: at any other time in his career, but at least
Speaker 2: he's in the mix in this game for eighty six.
Speaker 1: And they only had one fifty three through the year.
Speaker 2: Right, So, and you know, going against a stout Jets defense,
Speaker 2: that that's gonna play. So yeah, I think the Raiders
Speaker 2: on the Raiders side of the ball, it's it's not
Speaker 2: gonna be pretty. Aidan O'Connell is not, you know, looking
Speaker 2: like CJ. Stroud out there. But it gets a little
Speaker 2: bit messy at the bottom of the AFC playoff picture.
Speaker 2: And maybe this is one of those teams that hang
Speaker 2: around even if nobody wants them around. On the Jet
Speaker 2: side of things, I could be mad. I could be
Speaker 2: you know, screaming and cursing and and and you know,
Speaker 2: shaking my fist at the football gods about that last play,
Speaker 2: because it really was a beautiful scramble to get away
Speaker 2: from Max Crosby by Wilson to square his shoulders and
Speaker 2: then throw a beautiful ball to the end zone there
Speaker 2: and and Garrett Wilson really did come very close to it.
Speaker 2: I'm not and it's not that's not a Joe Conklin.
Speaker 2: And you can't blame him. Tyler Conklan, the Jet tight end.
Speaker 2: He's just thrown his hands up too, and he's the
Speaker 2: one that actually knocks it away from Garret Wilson, and
Speaker 2: it would have been a miraculous win for the Jets.
Speaker 2: And the reason I can't complain is the Jets have
Speaker 2: already had a couple two or three miraculous wins this year,
Speaker 2: so you can't just expect them to keep on pulling
Speaker 2: a rabbit out of the hat. And you certainly can't
Speaker 2: expect the offense to make a big play when it counts.
Speaker 1: I mean you it came down to.
Speaker 2: That last throw, but really the Jets had a chance
Speaker 2: here in their previous possession to truly take the game
Speaker 2: and steal it from the Raiders. And Zach Wilson stares
Speaker 2: down Alan Lazard and throws an interception to Robert Splaine
Speaker 2: that really kind of, for all intents and purposes, truly
Speaker 2: kind of buried the team. They did get it, do
Speaker 2: a good job getting it back the defense, Greg, But
Speaker 2: it's the same story with this offense, which is gone.
Speaker 1: What are we up to now?
Speaker 3: I think thirty five drives if my numbers are right,
Speaker 3: and one hundred in sixty nine minutes of game time.
Speaker 1: Can that be right?
Speaker 2: I mean, it sounds probably I mean, but it is
Speaker 2: about thirty five to thirty six possessions now without a touchdown,
Speaker 2: and it just seems like the team's head is in
Speaker 2: the sand on this, with the quarterback, with the play
Speaker 2: caller Nathaniel Hackett, with the personnel, with the scheme, like
Speaker 2: they're not changing anything.
Speaker 1: And I wonder Greg how much of that is.
Speaker 2: And as the season slips away and they lose the
Speaker 2: tiebreaker out of the Raiders, they lose a tiebreaker of
Speaker 2: the Chargers last week to conference losses, so very bad
Speaker 2: for their playoff hopes. Is how much is this is
Speaker 2: tied into the true boss of the organization, Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 2: who again floated something to NBC about a return, and
Speaker 2: it's like they want to just keep everything in place
Speaker 2: until he gets here to save us. And it's certainly
Speaker 2: no way to try to keep a season alive as
Speaker 2: it all starts to fade away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he said mid December to Melissa. According to mid
Speaker 3: Melissa Stark, that that was the goal.
Speaker 2: And it's mid November right now for those tracking, So
Speaker 2: he says he's about a month away.
Speaker 3: Potentially, and so that would be you know, maybe their
Speaker 3: game against the Commanders, which would be you know, the
Speaker 3: only three weeks left in the season. Most likely PFT
Speaker 3: also put something out that it's more likely that he
Speaker 3: wouldn't be ready to OTAs for what.
Speaker 1: It's worth, it's tough.
Speaker 3: This game is actually why they can't change off of it,
Speaker 3: because I understand why they would leave this game thinking,
Speaker 3: oh man, we're not that far away now. On one hand,
Speaker 3: we haven't scored a freaking touchdown in almost three games,
Speaker 3: thirty five drives, I think, And yet Zach Wilson on
Speaker 3: those final two drives made some great throws I mean,
Speaker 3: to get the ball in position once they fell down
Speaker 3: to touch. You know, once Jacobs fumbled that ball, and
Speaker 3: it was Jacob's first fumble I think in three hundred
Speaker 3: something touches, So like, that's pretty rare that would happen
Speaker 3: three hundred and forty six straight top touches without losing
Speaker 3: a fumble. And then he fumbled it. They get it
Speaker 3: and you almost feel like, oh, the magic's happened again.
Speaker 3: Zach Wilson made some really good plays to move the
Speaker 3: ball down the field. Then he stares down the interception,
Speaker 3: then he gets the ball back again and and I
Speaker 3: mean that throat a conkline he had to set up
Speaker 3: the hail Mary was incredible too, so it's like you're.
Speaker 1: Seeing these little finishes.
Speaker 3: And he started the game five for seven for eighty
Speaker 3: four yards and he almost ran in for a touchdown.
Speaker 3: This is actually one of Zach Wilson's best games of
Speaker 3: the season.
Speaker 2: And think about that though, right, they didn't score a touchdown,
Speaker 2: and yes, he nearly had a touchdown scrabble but stepped
Speaker 2: out of bounds and then they shoot themselves in the
Speaker 2: foot with penalties on that drive. He also had the
Speaker 2: no look past to Alan Lazard on that an ultimate
Speaker 2: drive that he rattled at home because Lazard was trying
Speaker 2: almost to drop the ball, but he held on to it.
Speaker 1: It was probably his third best game.
Speaker 3: He had that two game stretch where he looked okay,
Speaker 3: this one I was like okay. But they also the
Speaker 3: defense only allowed two first downs in the first twenty
Speaker 3: five minute Dan and it was nine to three at
Speaker 3: that point, and the Jets had a chance to to
Speaker 3: go down and at least take the clock away at
Speaker 3: the end of the first half, and they couldn't do that.
Speaker 3: And that's where they are not taking advantage and they're
Speaker 3: asking the defense to do so much. They should have
Speaker 3: been up by two scores at halftime, and the kind
Speaker 3: of just frittered that part away.
Speaker 1: And that is on the offense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's the same thing I said last week
Speaker 2: and probably the week before. Like the way this team
Speaker 2: is now set up, it is the defense is to dominate,
Speaker 2: and it's not enough to just dominate. They also have
Speaker 2: to have takeaways that either produce points or set up
Speaker 2: the offense on a very short field. And they even
Speaker 2: did have to turnovers, right, but they didn't have the impact. Well,
Speaker 2: they actually did have one in the first half that
Speaker 2: set them up with a field goal. But unless the
Speaker 2: defense does something truly special or special teams, they're just
Speaker 2: not gonna win games the way they are set up
Speaker 2: because in addition to the Wilson struggles and the offensive
Speaker 2: line struggle, the running game now is stuck in mud.
Speaker 1: So it is to me with the Giants, these are
Speaker 1: the two worst offenses in football.
Speaker 2: So if the Raiders fans right now are feeling happy
Speaker 2: and refreshed and renewed, that's good.
Speaker 1: That's great. You have something to root for.
Speaker 2: But also keep in mind the two offenses that you
Speaker 2: just played are quite possibly along with the paid treats,
Speaker 2: possibly the worst offenses in football. So we'll see what
Speaker 2: the Raiders look like when the competition jumps up a notch.
Speaker 2: But yeah, they have the Dolphins next week so that
Speaker 2: will be a true test and the Chiefs after that,
Speaker 2: so we'll see where they stand.
Speaker 3: In the AFC is truly stupid. There are seven teams.
Speaker 3: There's that eight teams, you know, between the seven seed,
Speaker 3: which is Houston. Houston's five and four, Like we think
Speaker 3: of them as this great team in Cincinnati's fighting four
Speaker 3: in Buffaloes.
Speaker 1: So they haven't played tomorrow night.
Speaker 3: But there's seven teams that either have four or five losses,
Speaker 3: including the Jets, including the Raiders, including the Denver Broncos
Speaker 3: at least.
Speaker 1: For one more day.
Speaker 3: I'm just like eight teams. I counted it wrong. Eight
Speaker 3: teams have either four or five losses. I mean that
Speaker 3: is a big fat middle conference and then New England.
Speaker 2: But they You know, if you're a Jets fan, you're
Speaker 2: disgusted because you thought home against the Chargers, then you
Speaker 2: get the Raiders. This have been your chance to kind
Speaker 2: of put yourself ahead of a lot of these teams.
Speaker 1: Instead, now you're kind of looking up at them.
Speaker 2: It's just very frustrating, and it's I try to keep
Speaker 2: it in perspective, Greg, because I know in my heart
Speaker 2: as soon as Aaron Rodgers Achilles popped, it was over.
Speaker 2: And I said that, I've said that, But they kind
Speaker 2: of sucked you in with some of those wins and
Speaker 2: made you think, Okay, maybe this could be like a fun,
Speaker 2: weird season and we're playing in the playoffs as a
Speaker 2: wild card.
Speaker 1: But I feel like the last six days.
Speaker 2: Reality is struck and it feels like Midnight has struck,
Speaker 2: which is also kind of sad because it wasn't exactly
Speaker 2: a Cinderella story either. They've been a tough watch for
Speaker 2: the most part this season, but we're kept on coming
Speaker 2: up with wins. But now they're coming up with losses
Speaker 2: and that's just the way it goes, all right.
Speaker 3: Got just gotta hold the fort here until Aaron gets back.
Speaker 1: But at Buffalo and then Miami, then Nick's just had.
Speaker 2: A really good home stand beat up on all three
Speaker 2: of their opponents. So we got the Knicks, and we
Speaker 2: got the.
Speaker 1: Nick Celtics game this week. Yeah, and the Yankees.
Speaker 11: Different than basketball.
Speaker 2: Part, he's a pitcher that I'm excited about and maybe
Speaker 2: we make a play bro Tani.
Speaker 1: So there's you know, there is hope, just not about
Speaker 1: the football team. All right.
Speaker 2: We'll be back on Monday with the Monday Night Football
Speaker 2: recap and news rundown.
Speaker 1: Also, NFL Plus returns our Game of the Week this
Speaker 1: week will be Texans Bengals pretty good.
Speaker 2: That'll be fun, so make sure you're there for that.
Speaker 2: Until then, thank you everybody for listening, and nice Sunday.
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