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Speaker 2: I'm a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well,

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Speaker 1: Is that? Whoo whoo? And no? Damn and tie? Can

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Speaker 1: everyone see? Welcome back to the show. As I understand it,

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Speaker 2: I'm good. I'm sick forever my I have never been

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Speaker 2: less healthy, but my, uh, my emotional college football resolve

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Speaker 2: has never been steelier. So I'm feeling okay. I haven't

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Speaker 2: It feels like I just took a bite out of ginger. Nothing.

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Speaker 2: working through a tie. Can't complain if anything should happen

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Speaker 2: to me. Uh, I will bequeath you my takes. You

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Speaker 1: Well, welcome back to you. Welcome back to the Verballer Hood.

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Speaker 1: On today's episode, you know the Drill, We're going to

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Speaker 1: Verballer Top twelve poll. We're going to compare and contrast those.

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Speaker 1: I know you have a lot to say on that subject.

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Speaker 1: We are also going to play one of our favorite games.

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Speaker 1: Week four slate. In addition to some breaking news which

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Speaker 1: early Dan Rubinstein. And oh, by the way, new hat.

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Speaker 2: Oh you're looking sharp, new hat.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely well, why don't we dive right in, Dan, We

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Speaker 1: The news already broke. But this is our first chance

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Speaker 1: of college football. We've been talking about Virginia Tech, We've

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Speaker 2: I get that you're sending a message to the money.

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Speaker 1: I remember shortly after that went down, we had Bruce

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Speaker 2: Right, that UCLA would use the opportunity of the twenty

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Speaker 2: It's still attractive to coach major college football, obviously, and

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Speaker 2: But yeah, a little surprising given the timing.

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Speaker 1: You bring up the transfer portal. And this is an

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Speaker 1: which is nice if you're one of those players out

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Speaker 1: The two names on that side of things that I

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Speaker 1: coming from Tennessee going to UCLA. I guess we will never.

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Speaker 2: Know from southern California.

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Speaker 1: From southern California, we will never know the exact calculus

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Speaker 1: that went on the Nico side that took him away

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Speaker 2: I mean, we kind of do well. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: But my point is what this means for Nico now

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Speaker 2: Right, that connection arn't exists with Fuente Virginia Tech.

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Speaker 2: I think those are all good coaches. Yeah, all those

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Speaker 1: At this point, what I will say about Beemer, and

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Speaker 2: Well, there's competition in the ACC and you're going to

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Virginia Tech is interesting in its own right. The

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Speaker 1: I also did see Jedfish. I don't know if I

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Speaker 2: But otherwise, yeah, it's obviously a list of reasonable names.

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Speaker 1: That list of names would be whittled down here over

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Speaker 2: Tie's not saying Gainesville real estate, but he's saying Gainesville

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Speaker 2: Dan Rubins state we.

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Speaker 1: Have a new AP top twelve or Verballer top twelve

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Speaker 1: There's not much movement in the top three, at least

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Speaker 1: I don't think they should be ranked at O two. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I would have dropped LSU a little bit after their

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Speaker 2: we'll see. And Notre Dame, it's just at this point

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Speaker 1: Yes, no, but you're making my case against preseason polls,

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Speaker 1: But people take that August snapshot and then they use

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Speaker 2: I just like our dear friend super Mario. Right, you

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Speaker 2: Right, of course, you capture that magnificent win. You have

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Speaker 2: your on your path to saving the princess, you're shrinking

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Speaker 2: away from me. That's all. And I'm I'm happy to

435
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Speaker 2: apply this to any team. I'm not sure why was drawing.

436
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Speaker 2: They were up thirty four to nothing with their starters,

437
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Speaker 2: and it's fine whatever, it's it's a long season. But

438
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Speaker 2: I uh yeah, I started going back to look at like,

439
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Speaker 2: is anybody else at oh and two still in a poll?

440
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Speaker 2: And it's not as Notre Dame at o and two,

441
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Speaker 2: it's oh and two with a buy before a big game, right,

442
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,360
Speaker 2: it's the Notre Dame is being treated like an elite

443
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Speaker 2: loser here and I'm just not here for it. When

444
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Speaker 2: teams are accomplishing something and so Notre Dame can climb

445
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Speaker 2: back in. I feel like they have a quality ceiling still,

446
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 2: and if you want to give see say that they

447
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Speaker 2: can are good enough to be in this poll when

448
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Speaker 2: they're three and two, four and two, five and two whatever. Yeah,

449
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Speaker 2: I'll look at the manner in which they win those games, Like, sure,

450
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Speaker 2: Notre Dame's in the poll, but right now it's just

451
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Speaker 2: gross and embarrassing to have them here.

452
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Speaker 1: Right in salverbogmail dot com. You can also hit us

453
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Speaker 1: up across social media on any of our channels. Let

454
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Speaker 1: us know your thoughts on this pole. If you're watching

455
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Speaker 1: on YouTube, leave us comment. We would love to get

456
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Speaker 1: your input on how these teams are stacking up right now.

457
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Speaker 1: But as always a little bit to react to here

458
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Speaker 1: with respect to the ap of course, with respect to

459
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Speaker 1: the Verbawler poll, you can vote every week at overbowlers

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Speaker 1: dot com. Dan, Yes, okay, we have a segment that

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Speaker 1: we are bringing somewhat out of retirement. As I said

462
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Speaker 1: at the top, We have used this as one of

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Speaker 1: our off season themed episodes in the past. We did

464
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Speaker 1: it last week when we talked through Dunzo or not Dune,

465
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Speaker 1: so we're going to do it again this week.

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Speaker 2: Yes, play the sound please, Dan. Oh my god, I

467
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Speaker 2: can't wait. That's what polsters are, poll voters are saying

468
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Speaker 2: about Notre Dame. I gotta have you in my top

469
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Speaker 2: twenty my top twenty five.

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Speaker 1: That's a poll without Notre Dame. We're calling the segment

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Speaker 1: con Air Dan. Of course. It is based around the

472
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Speaker 1: nineteen nineties seven thriller, a heartwarming tale featuring Academy Award

473
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Speaker 1: winner Nicholas Cage, among others. It's a story of an

474
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Speaker 1: ex con trying to get home to be with his wife,

475
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Speaker 1: to be with his daughter. It is a classic, to say,

476
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Speaker 1: the absolute bare minimum. On today's episode, though, our version

477
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Speaker 1: of con Air is us throwing out topics and us

478
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Speaker 1: coming up with a con prefixed word to describe how

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Speaker 1: we feel about it.

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Speaker 2: You can almost say it's up in the air. You

481
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Speaker 2: could almost say topics. Yeah.

482
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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

483
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Speaker 2: Cameron Poe, love Cameron Poe. One of the great characters

484
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Speaker 2: of all time. Little Malkovich in there, Little Malcovi, John Cusack. Yeah,

485
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Speaker 2: also in Steve Bushmi a little bit of a cameo

486
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Speaker 2: appearance in there as well. All right, so where are

487
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Speaker 2: we starting. What's up in the air that you're either

488
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Speaker 2: concerned or confident in?

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Speaker 1: Give me a con word related to arch Dan Rubinstein?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm concerned. Can I keep talking like that? Can

491
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Speaker 2: I keep using that?

492
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Speaker 1: What you want at your show?

493
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm concerned, just because this is the third year

494
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Speaker 2: and you know, increasingly getting reps last year a couple starts,

495
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Speaker 2: I believe against was it Monroe and Mississippi State for

496
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Speaker 2: Texas last year and having a whole off season as

497
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Speaker 2: the guy, and obviously it comes with a fair amount

498
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Speaker 2: of hype, and it's a last name thing, it's a

499
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Speaker 2: Texas thing, it's an sec thing. It all makes sense.

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Speaker 2: But to come in and look as off as he

501
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Speaker 2: has early, this is when he's supposed to be otherworldly

502
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Speaker 2: and maybe over hyped and overrated because he's going twenty

503
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Speaker 2: eight of thirty one against San Jose State or something

504
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Speaker 2: like that, and you're just like, holy moly, this guy

505
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Speaker 2: is just it and he hasn't been it against these teams,

506
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Speaker 2: and to on the fly find it against who Texas

507
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Speaker 2: has left on this schedule is a big, big ask,

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Speaker 2: and maybe we all owe a little bit of an

509
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Speaker 2: apology to quin yours. Hey man, you were so bad.

510
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Speaker 2: You had your deficiencies.

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Speaker 1: We all do.

512
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Speaker 2: But I'm not ready to write off arch Manning as

513
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Speaker 2: a successful quarterback. But in the present tense, once again,

514
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Speaker 2: I said this on Saturday night, it is concerning because

515
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Speaker 2: Texas has every advantage in the world in terms of

516
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Speaker 2: roster building and Sark developing quarterbacks. He's done it time

517
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Speaker 2: after time, and this guy, just in the present tense,

518
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Speaker 2: is not it. So I'm concerned.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not going to say I'm fully concerned, but

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Speaker 1: I'll say I'm I'm conscious of the problem. I'm I'm conscientious. Okay, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I don't want.

522
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Speaker 2: To go some convoluted words here.

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Speaker 1: I know I'm trying. I'm really digging into the toolbox

524
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Speaker 1: of vocabulary terms. But I'm not full on concern. But

525
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Speaker 1: I but but conscious, you know. I think I think

526
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Speaker 1: we are right to be aware of this, and I

527
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Speaker 1: think we are wise to pay attention to it moving

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Speaker 1: forward to see if it's more of a trend. I

529
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Speaker 1: was looking at some of the advanced numbers and I

530
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Speaker 1: won't bore people talking through all my air yards and

531
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Speaker 1: success rates and completion prier adjusted netyards per attempt, all

532
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: these things that make people's eyes glaze over. But there's

533
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Speaker 1: a lot of red on that spreadsheet with respect to

534
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Speaker 1: this Texas passing offense. And I think what I'm most

535
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Speaker 1: interested in and what is preventing me from going full

536
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Speaker 1: concern with this is if you watch the tape on Arch,

537
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Speaker 1: to me, it looks like he's trying to do way

538
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Speaker 1: too much right now. He looks like he is out

539
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: there playing a little bit of hero ball. Maybe he

540
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: is feeling the pressure of now being QB one. It

541
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Speaker 1: probably is just going to take him a little bit

542
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Speaker 1: more this season to get in the swing of things.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of how I feel about Arsh. Now that

544
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Speaker 1: being said, a couple weeks down the line, it gets

545
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Speaker 1: tough in a hurry. We may not think a whole

546
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Speaker 1: lot about Florida. Perhaps Billy Napier is on the hot

547
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Speaker 1: seat now more than ever. On the road in the

548
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Speaker 1: swamp is not easy.

549
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Speaker 2: No, just environmentally, Yeah, the.

550
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Speaker 1: Game neutral side against Oklahoma is not going to be easy. Oklahoma,

551
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Speaker 1: I think it's looked damn impressive so far. They're also

552
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Speaker 1: on the road at a place like a Mississippi State,

553
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Speaker 1: which again had a three and a half over under.

554
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Speaker 1: Mississippi State's looked much better than expected so far this season.

555
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Speaker 1: You can go right down the line here games against Georgia.

556
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Speaker 1: Of course, there's a game against Arkansas at home a

557
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Speaker 1: week before that rivalry against Texas A and M comes

558
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Speaker 1: back to Austin. This is not an easy slate by

559
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Speaker 1: any stretch of the imagination. So I think this week, actually,

560
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Speaker 1: in week four, they've got a game at home against

561
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Speaker 1: Sam Houston. Sam Houston's zero to three. They're not a

562
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Speaker 1: good team, but this is an opportunity. A game like

563
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Speaker 1: this is what I want to see when I want

564
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Speaker 1: to see Arch manning pop. I think it's going to

565
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Speaker 1: be games like this where he needs to get a

566
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Speaker 1: little bit more confidence. He needs to confidence, yeah, right,

567
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Speaker 1: needs to build for the season ahead. After this week,

568
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Speaker 1: they go on by before things really eat up beginning

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Speaker 1: of October as they get more into the throes of

570
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Speaker 1: the SEC schedule. So this week actually, for me, I

571
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Speaker 1: think is going to be a pretty interesting tell for

572
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Speaker 1: where things are at with Arch many If he doesn't

573
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Speaker 1: look good this week, knowing that there's a little bit

574
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Speaker 1: of a getaway situation here with the by on deck,

575
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Speaker 1: then I'm going to be full blown concerned.

576
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Speaker 2: Okay, so you're to be continued on arch Man.

577
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Speaker 1: You're not ready to reach at this than me.

578
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 2: But yes, you're not ready to reach a conclusion.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, okay Georgia Tech. Yeah, give me a

580
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Speaker 1: con word for Georgia Tech.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm confident.

582
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Why I'm not confident necessarily was their schedule. They're winning

584
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Speaker 2: close games. They are leaning on what they should be

585
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Speaker 2: leaning on, and that is the expertise and enthusiasm and

586
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,479
Speaker 2: killer instinct of Haines King. And this offense, the defense

587
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 2: is getting stops. The defense wild, not perfect, while not

588
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 2: stocked with NFL players, obvious NFL players, in the moment,

589
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 2: they're holding up there end of the bargain. And again,

590
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Speaker 2: it's health. It's the schedule that's ideal, and I think

591
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Speaker 2: there's a fire with which they play that has to

592
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Speaker 2: be confident that again, health is the big thing that

593
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Speaker 2: confident in their ability to take care of business against

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Speaker 2: teams that are built with quote unquote better players, teams

595
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Speaker 2: that are built with quote unquote lesser players. I just

596
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Speaker 2: think there is a culture in place that I am

597
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Speaker 2: in awe of. At the moment, I.

598
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Speaker 1: Would say congratulatory, honestly, sure, or just congratulations on the

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Speaker 1: Georgia Tech side. I really like what we have seen

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Speaker 1: so far. I mean, this is a gritty team. I

601
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Speaker 1: believe you mentioned it at one of our episodes or

602
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: one of our previous episodes talking about how Brent Key

603
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: looks like he eats sawdust for breakfast. Yes, they have

604
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Speaker 1: definitely embodied that spirit so far.

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Speaker 2: And if you look around the ACC.

606
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Speaker 1: The ACC is gettible, man, it is gettible. Clemson is

607
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: not what I thought, certainly not what I thought. They

608
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: were well already beat them, so they don't even have

609
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: to worry about that in the moment. Yeah, but I'm

610
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Speaker 1: saying bigger picture right as we've got this divisionless setup

611
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Speaker 1: in most of these conferences, it's possible to beat a

612
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Speaker 1: team then end up in a rematch. If they played

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Speaker 1: that game again today, I would again feel pretty good

614
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Speaker 1: about where Georgia Tech's at. I think you have to

615
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Speaker 1: because there's a lot on the Clemson side that feels

616
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Speaker 1: very much in flux. Florida State has looked incredible so far.

617
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Speaker 1: We don't know if that will continue. There is definitely

618
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Speaker 1: a body of work on the Miami side, even though

619
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Speaker 1: they have looked really good so far the season, where

620
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Speaker 1: we look at their team, we look at what they've

621
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Speaker 1: done in the past under mister Mario Cristobau, and we say, okay, well,

622
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Speaker 1: they have come up short in some of these big moments.

623
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Speaker 1: There is a toughness that I think we can question

624
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Speaker 1: about many of the other peers in the ACC that

625
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: I don't think we can question so much on the

626
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Speaker 1: Georgia Tech side.

627
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Speaker 2: On a losing streak to Georgia Tech. By the way, Miami, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: They're very, very tough. They're a tough minded and in

629
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Speaker 1: a conference that to some extent still feels wide open

630
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Speaker 1: to me, I just congratulate them on getting to this point.

631
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Speaker 1: You can congratulate Icon, yes, congratulate that we are both

632
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: convinced of Georgia tack. And look, the other good thing

633
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: about Georgia Tech in this moment is they have room

634
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: to grow on both sides of the ball. That it

635
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: is possible that with self scouting against a couple of

636
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Speaker 1: these teams, that they can go back to the drawing

637
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: board against some of these teams that might be struggling

638
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: a little bit more on their schedule and figure out

639
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: how to pass downfield even more, how to take advantage

640
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: of play action even more, how to get after the

641
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Speaker 1: pass or even more. That there's room to grow for

642
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Speaker 1: Georgia Tech. And that's that's always a good thing. Dj

643
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Speaker 1: Lagway dan Ah Man.

644
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Speaker 2: Once he transfers to Oregon, I feel really good about the.

645
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Speaker 1: He's not going everywhere. He loves Florida.

646
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Speaker 2: Well, if his coach is gone after this year.

647
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Speaker 1: He loves Florida. I think he is. He is a

648
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Speaker 1: Florida lifer. He is not going anywhere.

649
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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, Djagway, I think he is not the only

650
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Speaker 2: one to blame. Obviously, he has played fewer years or

651
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 2: has been in college fewer years than Arch Manning, And

652
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 2: so that's why I put a little bit more on Arch.

653
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 2: That number is terrible. That five number against LSU is

654
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: flat out terrible.

655
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:22,719
Speaker 1: Five interceptions.

656
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you're capable of five interceptions, that means on

657
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: a certain level, you are incapable of regulating yourself and

658
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 2: throwing into quadruple coverage and not seeing guys in lanes

659
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 2: that you are just letting it rip without any regard,

660
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 2: and that's concerning to me. I'm not going to be

661
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: a DJ Lagway apologist because they do have advantages as well,

662
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 2: like Florida does. The advantage that they don't have is

663
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 2: they don't have the offensive mine behind the scenes to

664
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Speaker 2: sort of develop him as a quarterback, it seems. And

665
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 2: so I'm willing to who extend a little bit more

666
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: grace to DJ Lagway moving forward, because I think some

667
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 2: of the throws he does make still leave you in awe.

668
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: It doesn't make up for the five number against LSC.

669
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 2: And this should be good LSU defense this year, we think.

670
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 2: But I'm concerned but not convinced that this season is

671
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: a wasted DJ Lagway year.

672
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And what's interesting, just again diving into the spreadsheet

673
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 1: a little bit, they've actually done a pretty good job

674
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: protecting him. The past protection has been okay. They haven't

675
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 1: allowed a whole lot of pressure relative to the field.

676
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: Billion Napier's still calling plays, which has definitely been a

677
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: thorn in many sides in the Florida universe. And also

678
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: they have assembled so much more talent around him, especially

679
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: out wide, that you would hope in the early going

680
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: here if Florida was going to take this big quantum

681
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,439
Speaker 1: leap forward, that they would find better ways to tap

682
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: into that. Now I know they're still banged up a

683
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: little bit still, I would expect to see a little

684
00:34:55,680 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 1: bit more against the likes of USF, even against the

685
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 1: likes of LSU. LSU was taking a big step forward

686
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: on defense. I think we know that at this point

687
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: in time. But in the past, this is not a

688
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: defense that we have confused at all with the shutdown defense.

689
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: And even if it is better than it was a

690
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 1: year ago, there's still no excuse for five interceptions. That's

691
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: just way too much.

692
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Speaker 2: By the way, sidebar, I don't know if this item

693
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Speaker 2: is on your list, but I am convinced Brian Kelly

694
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 2: needs a few real friends, a real confidant or something.

695
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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about Brian Kelly next. Who I

696
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: want to talk about Brian Kelly next.

697
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

698
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Speaker 1: But on the Florida side of things, I also do

699
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: get the sense, much like I described with arch Manning,

700
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Speaker 1: where DJ might be trying to do a little bit

701
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: too much, where maybe the play calling isn't there to

702
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: help support him. There is also a lot of red

703
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: on this spreadsheet. This has not been an explosive offense

704
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: at all so far this season. So they've got a

705
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: lot of work to do. And if we bring it

706
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: up with Texas, we have to bring it up with

707
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: the Florida Gators because I think their schedule is harder.

708
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 1: Like they're on the road this week at Miami before

709
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: going on by and then coming back home to play Texas,

710
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: going on the road to play Texas A and m

711
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: getting Mississippi State at home again, who has played well.

712
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: They've also got Georgia, They've got Ole miss They've got Tennessee,

713
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: and they close out the season against the Florida State Seminoles,

714
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 1: who have been having their own renaissance so far this season.

715
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: To be at this stage one in two does not

716
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: bode well for hitting any of your overs. I think

717
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: that goes without saying, and it certainly does not bode

718
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: well for a guy like a billion Napier who was

719
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: already coaching for his job. So at a minimum, just

720
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Speaker 1: with respect to the Florida season, I'm very concerned. I

721
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: don't even know what the con word is on the

722
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: DJ Lagway thing. I am con fidint that he will

723
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 1: stay at Florida regardless of who the coach is. I'm

724
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 1: sure Jed Fish will do a great job re recruiting

725
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: him to stay in Gainesville once he gets Oh, but

726
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: right now, I think my concern is more about the

727
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 1: Florida program and where it's headed and certainly billion napier

728
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: than it is. DJ Lagway, Okay, fair enough, LSU. I

729
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,479
Speaker 1: bring up LSU not because they're not winning, but because

730
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: of the offense. Dan, Yeah, what is the deal with

731
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: the LSU offense? Is that a concerning thing to you

732
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: at this point or is it overblown?

733
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Speaker 2: It is concerning to me at this point, just because

734
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 2: this has been one of the programs that has been

735
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 2: more active in the portal to try and improve things.

736
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 2: This year it was at receiver and I think tight

737
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 2: end obviously a rebuilt offensive line. But if your starting

738
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 2: point is Garretnssmyer, who we were very high on in August,

739
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: and we know that like the best of Aaron Anderson

740
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: is incredibly impressive, that they have star power on this offense,

741
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 2: even the best of Caden Durham, even though they haven't

742
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 2: been running the ball that impressively, is very impressive. Like

743
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: he is, legitimately just as an individual talent, I am

744
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 2: confident in saying he's a good player. They can't or

745
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 2: they haven't been able to sort of put it together

746
00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 2: against the better teams that they've played this year in

747
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: in Florida and Clemson offensively, and there's a lot of

748
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 2: talent on those teams, and the defense has been the story.

749
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 1: I just.

750
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 2: The Brian Kelly freak out after somebody asked him about

751
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 2: a very real concern at LSU is other than the

752
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 2: long run to end things, they weren't able to move

753
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 2: the ball on the ground and that was a concern

754
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 2: after last year and that was something that they were

755
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 2: you know, they had a couple of big plays against Clemson,

756
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 2: but this isn't a complete offense, and given what they've

757
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 2: put into this offense, him freaking out at a reporter

758
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 2: asking him about that, I mean, the question probably could

759
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 2: have been phrased more artfully in that saying like, hey,

760
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 2: there's always positives and negatives to take away from any game.

761
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 2: Obviously beating Florida is an exciting thing for LSU football.

762
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 2: Always what are the sort of positives and things that

763
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 2: you want to work on? And he answered that question,

764
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 2: not that question, He answered the question, which was like,

765
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 2: are you concerned about the running situation. I'm paraphrasing here

766
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 2: in a way that like he's only watching the SEC network,

767
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: like he's only watching a pr TV show all the

768
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 2: time that tells him how good he smells all the time.

769
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: And didn't understand why coaches like Nick Saban and Kirby

770
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 2: Smart come away from wins saying things like, we've got

771
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 2: a lot to clean up, I'm not satisfied that we

772
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 2: met our bar today. And Brian Kelly just was behind

773
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 2: a podium with just zero ability to put anything in

774
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 2: perspective and to talk about anything. And I understand after

775
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 2: a game, you're emotional, and I like the emotional aspect

776
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 2: of these guys at the podium after these these big

777
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:46,720
Speaker 2: close games or whatever, but zero ability to put anything

778
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 2: in perspective was unfortunately kind of par for the course

779
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: for this guy. Well, here's the thing, I am very

780
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 2: fluent in BK. He's just so deeply unlikable all of

781
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 2: the time, he really is.

782
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: And here's the thing about him. He is the consummate politician.

783
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: He has been a master over the years at not

784
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: giving too much of anything away, which is why when

785
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: you see some of these character breaks like the one

786
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: that we saw with him at the podium. That to

787
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: me indicates this is a dude who's feeling the pressure. Yeah,

788
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: and they're undefeated, and they're a top five team, and

789
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: they've got games coming up that are clearly going to

790
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: challenge their metal. Right, They're going to Ole Miss in

791
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. They were going to Alabama in

792
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Speaker 1: week eleven. As we get into the month of November

793
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: as that game is typically played. They've got a big

794
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: home tilt in week nine at the end of October

795
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: when you're going to be away actually against Texas A

796
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: and M. So they're going to be opportunities here for

797
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: I think more pressure cookers in the SEC. As Ever,

798
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 1: if we're seeing this now, this tells me that Brian

799
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: Kelly understands that he is very much under the microscope.

800
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 2: This is LSU, It is LSU, this is this place

801
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 2: had maybe the best college football offense ever, not that

802
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 2: long ago.

803
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: It should There is a great prize that you're under

804
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: the microscope. But what this tells me when we see

805
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: breaks in character like this from him especially, this tells

806
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: me that he's feeling the heat. He is absolutely feeling

807
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: the heat. I am not concerned about this and The

808
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: reason I'm not concerned about the offense is because I

809
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: would much rather be asking the question about, Hey, you're

810
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: going to figure out the offense than what the hell

811
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: are we going to do about the defense, because that's

812
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: been the question the first couple of years for BK.

813
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: The defense has been a train wreck this season. If

814
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: we are to take anything away from what we have

815
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: seen early against two at least quality opponents in Clemson

816
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: and Florida, the defense has looked pretty good. Defense has

817
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: definitely held up its end of the bargain. So if

818
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: you're telling me that you loaded up this offseason, you

819
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: did everything you could to get better on offense, to

820
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: surround your pro caliber quarterback with better skill talent, and

821
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: just on the whole, get better on that side of

822
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 1: the ball. Give them a little bit more pop. I'm

823
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: pretty confident that they will figure that out in due course.

824
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: But that was the biggest question coming into this thing.

825
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: If they continue to play this wall, you gotta like

826
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 1: where they're at because eventually, eventually they have to figure

827
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: out the offensive side of the ball. There has to

828
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: be more pop.

829
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 2: They're the bizarro Notre Dame. Oh god, they are right.

830
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 2: They're winning losable games. Technically, I guess. I mean the

831
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 2: Florida game was. Yeah, they interceptions helped and everything, but

832
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 2: they did not play well enough on offense to typically

833
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 2: win against a quality team if that's what we consider

834
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,720
Speaker 2: Florida to be. Notre Dame does not have Brian Kelly

835
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 2: anymore Alice who very much does have Brian Kelly right now,

836
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 2: and they're winning some games and not super exciting fashion,

837
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: and Notre Dame's losing those games. So yeah, there's a

838
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:39,720
Speaker 2: bizarro element.

839
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: Some of this final team here is Notre Dame and

840
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 1: it is the defense. Yeah, and yes, I'm very concerned

841
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: about this defense. Al Golden had this defense playing at

842
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: a very high level, and that goes without saying. And

843
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: it had been a long slog to get the Notre

844
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: Dame defense to this point, or to the point it

845
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: was at at the end of last season. Granted some turnover,

846
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: but still I think a lot intact. Clearly, nobody expected

847
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: that there would be this big of a step back.

848
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: If you would have told me last year that Notre

849
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: Dame would score forty points against anybody in the lose

850
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: like they did this past weekend against Texas A and M,

851
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: I would have said you're crazy. Even if there were

852
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: a medium step back with Chris Ash, I still would

853
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: have said you're crazy. Forty points. I will take that

854
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: every day of the week. I'll take that right. But

855
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 1: what we're seeing right now is an inability to get pressure.

856
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: What we are seeing right now is miscommunication in the secondary.

857
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: What we are seeing right now, I would say across

858
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: the board is a lot less discipline than I'm used

859
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: to seeing. I don't think it's any issue of not

860
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: having the talent. I think they have, by leaps and bounds,

861
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: improved their talent on the defensive side of the football.

862
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

863
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: I think this is a scheme thing, and I think

864
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: this is a Chris Ash thing. Okay, Marcus Freeman got

865
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: the question, are you going to consider making any changes

866
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: and who's calling the plays on defense? He said no,

867
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: he said what he had to say in that moment.

868
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see how Freeman solves this problem. If

869
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: he can solve this problem, because he's been good at

870
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: doing that when he's had his back up against the wall.

871
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,439
Speaker 1: Marcus Freeman, I think has done a pretty good job

872
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: figuring out what these problems are and solving them in

873
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: many cases. In real time. That was on display last year,

874
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: especially in the offensive side of the ball where they

875
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: had so many injuries along the line. They were good

876
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: at kind of piecing that together on the fly. So

877
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: I give him benefit of the doubt that he's got

878
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: the talent in place and he's got to know how

879
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: to fix things quickly. But this has definitely been a

880
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: concerning step back, and it is not a mirage because

881
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: we have seen them now against two quality opponents, and

882
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: in both cases it's been more of the same where

883
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,959
Speaker 1: there's been miscommunication, they cannot get pressure, despite the fact

884
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: that I think they've got really good talent in the

885
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: front seven. This is a scheme thing, in my opinion.

886
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: This is a Chris ash thing in my opinion, who,

887
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: by the way, none of us were all that crazy

888
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:19,240
Speaker 1: about when they hired him.

889
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 2: Urban Meyer was.

890
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: Urban Meyer was. But urban Meyer can go pound sand

891
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: down because I've been watching what Notre Dame has been

892
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: doing these last two games, and it has not been

893
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 1: that exciting. Okay, So whatever Urban thinks, forget it. That's

894
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: out the window. This defense that was top ten caliber

895
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: the last couple seasons has taken a huge fall from

896
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: grace here in the early part of the season, they've

897
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 1: got to make. They got to make some kind of

898
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: change to figure out a way forward with this because

899
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: if they want to make any serious run at the postseason,

900
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: which granted feels like a bit of a stretch at

901
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: this point, but who the hell knows, Right, it's still

902
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: very early. Notre Dame needs to show what it can

903
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: do over these next five weeks, otherwise it's going to

904
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,240
Speaker 1: be game over. So they got to get it together

905
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,720
Speaker 1: in a hurry. And whether that's with or without Chris

906
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 1: ash as the one calling the plays and designing the schemes,

907
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: I guess that remains to be seen.

908
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 2: I'm just as shocked as anybody that Marcus Freeman has

909
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 2: struggled with a coordinator higher because he hasn't done that

910
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 2: in like two weeks. So good to see that some

911
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 2: things you can still count scoundrel? Am I wrong? Maybe

912
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 2: maybe I'm wrong by the end of the season. Look,

913
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 2: we all have wonderful memories of the Gerard Parker era

914
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 2: and it's lastinger, Sir Jared Garrod. We all have fond

915
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: memories of that, obviously, and interviewing forty four candidates to

916
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 2: be an offensive coordinator and landing on his friend. That's cool,

917
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 2: It'll work out somehow, some way.

918
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I'm just I'm confounded. Let's say

919
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: on how this has gotten this bad this quickly? But

920
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: it looks like a completely different defense right now, and

921
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: not in a good way.

922
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 2: Right okay, fair enough?

923
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: Right in again, solid abougimail dot com. Let us know

924
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: your thoughts on these topics, other topics that maybe you

925
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: are concerned about, confused about, confident in that we did

926
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: not have a chance to address. We can come back

927
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,720
Speaker 1: to this segment at some point in the very near future.

928
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 2: Why don't we bring this thing home?

929
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: Dan? Early Bird Special? Three Big Games. There are only

930
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: three games between ranked teams in Week four. We're going

931
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: to preview all of them. Here, give you a little

932
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: bit of an Early Bird Special. I've been playing different

933
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: sounds to intro this segment.

934
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 2: I think you've been nailing them, but.

935
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: I played our pick sound. Now I've been playing this one.

936
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: I like the Early Bird Special sounds. Why don't we

937
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: stick with this High noon on Fox on Saturday and

938
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: Week four? It is the Texas Tech Red Raiders. It

939
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: is the Utah ut Utah is at home. They are

940
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: a three and one half point favorite. I would say,

941
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: despite the fact that Texas Tech made a ton of

942
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: headlines with what they did in the offseason, sort of

943
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: been crickets so far during the season. That's probably had

944
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: a lot to do with the opponents Arkansas, Pine Bluff,

945
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: Kent State. In Oregon State. They have beaten those teams

946
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: by a combined one seventy four to thirty five. In

947
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: terms of strength of schedule, it has been the easiest

948
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: schedule in the country through three weeks.

949
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 2: There's an Oregon State now learned something every day. Yes,

950
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 2: it is. It is tough to take away too much

951
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 2: from what Texa Attack has done so far other than

952
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 2: this is what a good team should be doing against.

953
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: Other than that. Yeah, And to be fair, it's not

954
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: like Utah has played that much harder as slate. They're

955
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: one hundred and twentieth in strength of schedules. So far,

956
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 1: they've beaten UCLA, cal Poly and Wyoming by a combined

957
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: one thirty seven to twenty five margin.

958
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 2: But UH struggled in that Wyoming game in the first half,

959
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 2: a missed field goals, inconsistent going downfield. I don't think

960
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 2: Devin dan Pierre has been a terrific quarterback downfield, which

961
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 2: just makes him a Utah quarterback defense.

962
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: That's right.

963
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 2: I'm a believer in this Utah team in this moment.

964
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 2: I think the defense is for real, has behaved like

965
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:20,879
Speaker 2: a real defense. Certainly Texas texts defense is for real. Well,

966
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 2: excuse me, has behaved like a for reel defense. Should

967
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 2: they've They've stopped the run incredibly well. I lean Utah

968
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 2: in this just because it's at Utah and Rice Echles

969
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 2: is a dastardly place to play for everybody who summits

970
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 2: the journey going up to that altitude in Salt Lake.

971
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 2: So I like Utah a little bit more. I think

972
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 2: they have the most proven element in this game, and

973
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 2: that is the consistency on the coaching staff on defense.

974
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 2: That is some of the star power on this defense.

975
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 2: There's still questions about some personnel in this defense, but

976
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 2: if I get Utah's defense at home, it's direction. I'm

977
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 2: just gonna lean if quarterback isn't in a disastrous place,

978
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 2: and I don't think quarterback is in a disastrous place.

979
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 2: We'll see what Devin Dampier looks like if he is

980
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 2: forced to explore a bunch of third and eights and

981
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 2: third and eleven's right, not typical of the Utah offensive experience,

982
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 2: but that's TBD. Texas Tech on the road under Joey

983
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 2: Maguire has been fine. They haven't been excellent. They haven't

984
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 2: been incredible as underdogs or anything like that, but they

985
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 2: haven't been terrible. So if you're giving me something TBD

986
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 2: with Texas Tech, and you're giving me something that I

987
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 2: think is somewhat dependable in the Utah defense at home,

988
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna actually take the points. But Utah wins this close,

989
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 2: I think. Let me tell you what I wrote down.

990
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 2: I wrote down twenty three to twenty one Utah.

991
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: I went back and forth one hundred times.

992
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 2: And I don't even mention too much about Texas Tech,

993
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:52,760
Speaker 2: which I will continue.

994
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: This might be the game in Week four that I'm

995
00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 1: least confident in terms of efficiency. Both of these offenses

996
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: right now are top five overall. Now take it with

997
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,720
Speaker 1: a grain of salt, consider competition, but these are opponent

998
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: adjusted numbers. Yeah, they've looked good. The offenses have been

999
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: very good. They're one and two in success rates on

1000
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 1: the ground. Both have been able to run the football.

1001
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: There is a huge question here about how Utah is

1002
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: going to deal with Texas Tech linebackers because what we

1003
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 1: have seen so far the season from Tech is the

1004
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:37,720
Speaker 1: defensive front eating up space and allowing the next level

1005
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: to create the pressure, especially their transfers. Ro Melo height

1006
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: David Bailey comes down from Stanford. Those guys are tied

1007
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: for the team lead in sacks and they're getting a

1008
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: lot of the pressure. I don't think it's a mirage.

1009
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,280
Speaker 1: I like the players, I like their coordinator shield would

1010
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: a lot, and I like this matchup. I think this

1011
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: is the matchup that decides a lot of the game.

1012
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 1: Because Utah should of one of the better offensive lines

1013
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 1: in the country. This is going to be the chess

1014
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: match that ultimately determines this one. That's the big key

1015
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: for me on the tech side. Finding a way with

1016
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 1: playmaking linebackers that can get pressure, who can maybe stop

1017
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 1: the run at a minimum, cut off Devin Dan Pierre

1018
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: from doing too much damage on the.

1019
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 2: Ground, force passing downs.

1020
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you can stop that on the ground, it's

1021
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: a different game. On the Utah offensive side, stop me

1022
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 1: if you've heard this one before. Utah and not all

1023
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: that explosive offensive. No, certainly not through the air. So

1024
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: for me. That is what I am watching, and that

1025
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: is why I'm going Texas Tech with the points here

1026
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 1: much like you, because I am expecting something that is close.

1027
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: I am expecting something that is way more physical than

1028
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: we are used to seeing from Texas Tech defense. The

1029
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: adjusted numbers have been really good on offense on both

1030
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: sides of this one, but especially on the Texas Tech

1031
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: side of things. Seems like they have been able to

1032
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: replace Toaj Brooks somewhat in the aggregate, and Baron Morton's

1033
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: been solid. He's been good. He's been a little bit

1034
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: banged up, which again stopped me if you've heard that before,

1035
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 1: but an eleven to one TD'D interception ratio, it seems

1036
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 1: like he has been very very good so far. He

1037
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: just needs to stay healthy.

1038
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 2: And this is also without Quinn Joyner, who they expected

1039
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: to be wrecked.

1040
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: That's correct. That was a big loss. So they've been

1041
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: pretty good at figuring out ways to replace that production,

1042
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: albeit against minimal competition. Yeah, I think Tech goes on

1043
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:31,720
Speaker 1: the road and wins.

1044
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 2: Wow, you know, I think big nuons there, right, Yes,

1045
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 2: So I think there's just going to be so much juice,

1046
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 2: a lot of Utah juice. I just don't do it

1047
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 2: at home in a big spot with this defense. Now,

1048
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 2: it's not for me.

1049
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: Twenty seven to twenty five, A close, a physical game,

1050
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,240
Speaker 1: the one I'm least confident about. For that reason, maybe

1051
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: more so than anything else. I'm going with the points

1052
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: here plus the three and a half.

1053
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 2: I've got that Mario Cristobal Salt Lake City scar tissue.

1054
00:53:59,120 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 2: Not for me.

1055
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that fair, totally fair, Yeah, I get it.

1056
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: But I have liked what I have seen from Texas

1057
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: Tech all right thus far. Twenty seven to twenty five.

1058
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: I think they go to Utah and get the dub.

1059
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 2: All right, taking the points, but going the different way.

1060
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 1: We just agree one of the other rank matchups three

1061
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 1: point thirty, ABC, it is your Auburn Tigers.

1062
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1063
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 1: I don't know why I gave them to you, Yeah,

1064
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: versus my Oklahoma Sooners. Oklahoma favored by six and a

1065
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: half points. Dan. Of all three of the games that

1066
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about here, and maybe of all

1067
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: the games that we're going to talk about this weekend,

1068
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 1: I think it's likely that this is the one that

1069
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 1: gets the headlines. Sure, this is the one that gets

1070
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 1: the headlines because these are two teams that. Look, we've

1071
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: made no secret about They've made no secret about all

1072
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: of the movement this offseason brought in a bunch of transfers.

1073
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: Both coaches understood that they were under the gun. And

1074
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 1: this is interesting because it's a Jackson Arnold revenge game,

1075
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 1: is it not?

1076
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 2: It is?

1077
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: What are we expecting here from Jackson Arnold against his

1078
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:10,879
Speaker 1: former team?

1079
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 2: I think we've sort of we know who he is

1080
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 2: as a quarterback, which I mean They've been playing a

1081
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 2: little bit of pickleballish offense this year. Their successes have

1082
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 2: come on the ground, though he improved a little bit recently.

1083
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 2: Their receivers are great. I don't trust this offensive line

1084
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 2: a ton. I don't know, maybe it's just me, but

1085
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 2: they haven't been incredible. The defense has been up and down.

1086
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 2: Baylor was able to move the ball pretty consistently, but

1087
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 2: that's game one. You have to extend grace for game

1088
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 2: one and the ability to improve after that. Baylor are

1089
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 2: a very real offensive opponent. I'm also trying to figure

1090
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 2: out to what extent I feel like the Oklahoma win

1091
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 2: over Michigan is overblown.

1092
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you about that. Please elaborate.

1093
00:55:51,960 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 2: Are we fully confident confident in Oklahoma's offense again to

1094
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 2: Michigan as a bell Weather moment for the Sooners this

1095
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,280
Speaker 2: early on in the season, because we like John Mattier.

1096
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 2: A lot of that was on the ground, A lot

1097
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 2: of the second half folk heroess of it all was

1098
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 2: on the ground or in the shorter passing game. And

1099
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 2: how many different ways does Oklahoma have to win not

1100
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 2: just this game, but a lot of games this year?

1101
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 2: And so I think John Matier is a good enough

1102
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 2: quarterback to be a complete quarterback. But is Oklahoma's offense

1103
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 2: built to win in a number of ways? I like

1104
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 2: Oklahoma here. I like Oklahoma here. What did I write

1105
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 2: down on my digital legal pad twenty eight to seventeen?

1106
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 2: I think playing in Norman, I think the ability that

1107
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 2: I think quality defense will have to limit Auburn offensively.

1108
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 2: I don't trust Jackson Arnold in this spot. I trust

1109
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 2: a lot of the skill talent for Auburn. There is

1110
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 2: something about Auburn on the road here that I can't

1111
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 2: fully get past. So I'm going Oklahoma as the more

1112
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 2: fully formed, winning DNA type team. Difficult place to play defense,

1113
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 2: a quarterback who can make plays at the very least.

1114
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 2: I just think they have more advantages here in more

1115
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,439
Speaker 2: ways to win in this one that if they're able

1116
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 2: to stop the run and force Jackson Arnold to like

1117
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 2: drive the field a bunch. I just playing the numbers here.

1118
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 2: I think I like Oklahoma a little bit more so

1119
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 2: I have them by barely double digits.

1120
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. By the way, is it not going to be

1121
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: the default article written in advance of this game about

1122
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: how Jackson Arnold has a little bit of extra motivation

1123
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: to go back to Norman and get the dub right?

1124
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1125
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: Is that not going to be written a million times?

1126
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: Is that not going to be broadcast a million times

1127
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: in advance of this game? Am I crazy for thinking

1128
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: that this isn't actually a good thing for Jackson Arnold?

1129
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: It's a lot of pressure, Like if anyone knows what

1130
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: they're up against with Jackson Arnold, is it not Oklahoma

1131
00:57:56,600 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: and Brent vnnibles. When we last saw Jaja in the

1132
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: Crimson and Cream, didn't we fully think he was broken?

1133
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 2: He didn't even play in this game last year?

1134
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: No, I fully expect that Oklahoma is going to go

1135
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: into this one with a focus on stopping the run

1136
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: and forcing him to pass. Yeah, and for what it's Worth,

1137
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: like the Auburn Brown game has not been all Jackson Arnold.

1138
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Cobb has been very good. He's been averaging over

1139
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: six yards of carry totally. But I think if Auburn's

1140
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: gonna win, they're gonna need to get a big game

1141
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: out of Jackson Arnold in his legs, and I'm not

1142
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: feeling that either. On the flip side, what we've seen

1143
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: very early so far this year is teams struggling to

1144
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: deal with John Mattier. So they've been trying to deal

1145
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: with him by playing a lot of zone. Eighty eight

1146
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: percent of the time they play zone against John Mitier,

1147
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: and it's not really working. Oklahoma has been very good

1148
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:51,919
Speaker 1: when they're going up against zone. They've been even better

1149
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: when teams try to play man. But teams are playing

1150
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: a lot of zone and trying to count for him

1151
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: as a runner. And what's interesting about the way that

1152
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: they're playing offense is that he's actually not scrambling. Most

1153
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: of what we've seen out of Jamatier on the ground

1154
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 1: has been designed runs, right, So what's that mean. It

1155
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: means he's not really catching them by surprise with scrambles.

1156
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: It's just teams see it coming they can't stop him

1157
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 1: because he's that good, or because the line is that good,

1158
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: or because there are more distractions because the offense is better.

1159
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 2: I don't know that's Illinois State and Temple between or

1160
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 2: sandwiching that mission. Sure, it's not a great data set.

1161
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 2: It's not a great data set.

1162
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:28,919
Speaker 1: No, No one's got a great data set at this point,

1163
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: except for Notre Dame, except for Notre Day. But this

1164
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 1: is this is what it profiles as at least on

1165
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: the spreadsheets, and if you watch the games, I mean,

1166
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,479
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot to back that up as well.

1167
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: I've got Oklahoma thirty one to twenty.

1168
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 2: So both by eleven, both by eleven.

1169
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: I think Jametier is the architect of a couple big

1170
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: plays that break the game open. I think the Sooners

1171
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: can absolutely face Jackson Arnold and force him to make

1172
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: one or two bad decisions in this game, and ultimately

1173
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: that's what ends up swinging this one in favor of Oklahoma.

1174
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: So I'm on the Sooners here thirty one twenty. I

1175
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: really like Oklahoma so far this year. I like them

1176
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: a lot more than I expected in the preseason. I

1177
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: think they get the dub here. We agree last but

1178
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: certainly not least Saturday Night on NBC, Todd Blackledge, Noah Egle,

1179
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: You're Illinois fighting a lion I against the Indiana Whoho Hoosiers,

1180
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: Indiana at home, a four and one half point favorite. Dan,

1181
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 1: very quietly the game.

1182
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 2: Of the day, very quietly agree.

1183
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: Number nine Illinois on the road, Number nineteen Indiana. I

1184
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: called this one out back at the beginning of August talk.

1185
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: I said this was potentially a play in game for

1186
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: the playoff. Let me repeat something that may be obvious

1187
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: only to us, I don't know should be obvious to

1188
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: you if you're listening at home. These are two legitimately

1189
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: good teams, we think, I know. Okay, and that's a

1190
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: full stop moment. I get that we are not used

1191
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: to having this discussion about Illinois and Indiana, but that's

1192
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: just where we're at and the year of our Lord

1193
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. Okay, Illinois, India, these are two good teams.

1194
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 2: That first half against Western Mission get you going for Illinois.

1195
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 2: Shut up, Come on, make your your next stand up.

1196
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: I'm talking about this.

1197
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 2: Shut up.

1198
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm having a moment over here.

1199
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 2: Shut up, hey, ladies.

1200
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, both teams three and zero Indiana's toughest opponent, it

1201
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: says here old Dominion back in Week one. Dominion recently

1202
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: beat Virginia Tech putt prior to them again again Yes, uh,

1203
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: And Illinois had to win two weeks ago against Duke

1204
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 1: that I think opened some eyes with how they closed

1205
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: that one out. But to your point, yes, in both cases,

1206
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 1: kind of hard to know what any of these early

1207
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: numbers mean if you can trust them. Give the opponents. Yes,

1208
01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 1: their opponent justed, but who cares. There are a couple

1209
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 1: of things that I'm seeing that point to Illinois. But

1210
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: I will, okay defer to you for right now. Where

1211
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: are you at here?

1212
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 2: I'm leaning Indiana. It's at home. Indiana hasn't shown anything

1213
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 2: against anyone this season but one. They've covered spreads under

1214
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 2: Kurt Signetti. Yes, they've been that murder machine. Yes, the

1215
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 2: game is at home Illinois. Last year. If you are

1216
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 2: high on Indiana as a legit team, right, if you're

1217
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 2: on high on Indiana as a legit team, Illinois doesn't beat.

1218
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: Those teams.

1219
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 2: Like a legit playoff conversation team. Illinois doesn't perform at

1220
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 2: all against those teams, or hasn't lately, right, or maybe

1221
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 2: ever I think Indiana is better in this moment. I

1222
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 2: like the ceiling of this offense with Fernando Mendoza a

1223
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 2: little bit more. I like the relentlessness with which Indiana

1224
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 2: has played under Kurt Signetti a little bit more. Like

1225
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,919
Speaker 2: there's just this constant sense of urgency against teams either

1226
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 2: built similarly or lesser, which Illinois's done a really good

1227
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 2: job building out this roster. I like a lot of

1228
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 2: parts of this Illinois team. I think you need to

1229
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 2: score points if you're gonna beat Indiana. I think you

1230
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 2: need to score thirty points if you're gonna beat Indiana.

1231
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 2: And in terms of what Illinois is offering me outside,

1232
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 2: Hank Baty's had a nice connection with Luke Altmeyer. I

1233
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 2: just think Indiana is a better team or a better

1234
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 2: program at its best right now. I think, again, you've

1235
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 2: highlighted the opponents. There's not much to go on. But

1236
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 2: I think Fernando Mendoza is a legit good quarterback, as

1237
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 2: do I think Luke Aalmeyer is a legit good quarterback.

1238
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 2: But if you're giving me Kurt Signetti as a favorite

1239
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 2: at home, Indiana has just performed in these spots more.

1240
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 2: Illinois is legit good. But I want to know where

1241
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 2: that pop is. I want to know where that winter

1242
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 2: wonder is from Illinois, and to me, it's not obvious

1243
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 2: in a spot like this. That's why I'm going Indiana here.

1244
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: What's the line four and a half at time of

1245
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: recording on Monday afternoon?

1246
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, thirty one, twenty four, thirty one to twenty somewhere there.

1247
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 1: By the way, if I could draft a quick fantasy

1248
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: thing here, please, I'd like to draft a frosty postgame

1249
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 1: handshake between Bretta.

1250
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 2: That's a no brainer.

1251
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it Kurt Signetti Billema. Ever, the troll. Signetti definitely

1252
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 1: does not appreciate trolls. I could see that happening here. Okay,

1253
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 1: here are the two things that I fixated on when

1254
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 1: trying to figure out this game. The first thing is that,

1255
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: at least right now, and for whatever you think of

1256
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: numbers this early in the year, Indiana outside the top

1257
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 1: one hundred in rushing yards allowed before contact. Again, numbers

1258
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: being what they are right now after week three, I

1259
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 1: don't know if they mean a whole lot, but given

1260
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: the competition, the fact that they are outside the top

1261
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 1: one hundred against that field, to me is I think

1262
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 1: a little bit concerning, because that's usually a pretty good

1263
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 1: indicator for how good of a run stopping unit you've got.

1264
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 1: Right now, I believe they're also dead last and yards

1265
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: per successful rush, so it's a more nuanced to look

1266
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: at yards per carry, granted, but this is all a

1267
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 1: very long way of saying. If you gave Brett Beilahma

1268
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 1: truth serum and you said, hey, do you want to

1269
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 1: run the ball fifty times and win? There's like the

1270
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 1: one hundred percent chance, a thousand percent chance that Brett

1271
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 1: Bielhma is going to answer you with a hell yeah,

1272
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: hell yeah. That's his default mode. So I'm looking for

1273
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 1: a big game on the ground from Illinois in this one,

1274
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 1: a mix of Cadenvegan and Khalil Valentine and Luke Altmeyer.

1275
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 1: They'll find some way, somehow to make that work. But

1276
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 1: Illinois is a running team so far this year has

1277
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: been fine. I think this is one of those Bilma

1278
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: tendencies that we've seen in the past that we're going

1279
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,080
Speaker 1: to see a lot in a big game here. If

1280
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 1: he can run it and win, he's going to want

1281
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: to do that. The second thing is that Indiana has

1282
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 1: not blitzed at all in their first three games, they're

1283
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 1: not blitzing. They're getting pressure, maybe because of who they're playing,

1284
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: but they are not blitzing when they're not converting the

1285
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 1: pressure into sacks, which I think is something that we

1286
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 1: might see on display in this Illinois game. We're finding

1287
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 1: that receivers have a little bit more tendency to get

1288
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:30,439
Speaker 1: down the field and get open for longer completions one

1289
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: way or another, whether they're blitzing or not. In this

1290
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 1: game against Illinois, I think this is potentially something that

1291
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Speaker 1: works to the align as advantage. If you are getting pressure,

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Speaker 1: especially against a guy like Luke Altmeyer, you've got to

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Speaker 1: find ways to turn that into sacks. Otherwise you give

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Speaker 1: him a chance. He is definitely the kind of guy

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Speaker 1: who can extend plays and work down the field, and

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01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 1: they've got good enough receivers to work down the field

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Speaker 1: and create some of those chunk plays. I think we're due.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Hank Baby earlier. I think we are due

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Speaker 1: for a game break by him out wide in one

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Speaker 1: of those moments where maybe they get pressure on Altmeyer,

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Speaker 1: he extends the play, he finds a way to create

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Speaker 1: something down the field. Those are the types of chunk

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Speaker 1: plays that hurt Indiana in a game like this. Okay, Now,

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Speaker 1: I have learned that you don't want to underestimate Kurt Signetti,

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01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 1: and this is still I think a really good Indiana team,

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Speaker 1: an Indiana team that I like a lot. I share

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Speaker 1: your admiration for Fernando Mendoz. I love the guy. Yeah,

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01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 1: I just don't think it clicks as well against a

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Speaker 1: really good team in Illinois. I've got Illinois winning this

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Speaker 1: one thirty one twenty four on the.

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Speaker 2: Road, Illinois winning it by what I said Indiana would

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Speaker 2: win it by. Okay, So I like the very specific

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Speaker 2: way in which we.

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Speaker 1: Just agree we do disagree. I also think Illinois is

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Speaker 1: gonna blitz the crap out of them in this game,

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Speaker 1: and hope that looks like what Ohio State did yes

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Speaker 1: last year. Okay, I think they're gonna blitz the ever

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Speaker 1: loving crap out of Fernanda Mendozo. Okay, I think that

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Speaker 1: is the template here. They're going to try to run

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Speaker 1: to win, They're going to get a couple big plays

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Speaker 1: when everything else breaks down, and they're going to force

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Speaker 1: Fernando mendos in s into some tough spots. Okay, thirty

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Speaker 1: one twenty four, we disagree.

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Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, so.

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Speaker 1: Real quick, if you are listening to this bright and

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Speaker 1: early on a Tuesday morning, you're wondering what is in

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Speaker 1: store for you in week four. Friday night game Iowa

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Speaker 1: at Rutgers. Don't know if that's how you want to

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01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 1: spend your Friday night. But if you do backup plan,

1330
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 1: if you are a big ten sadist and you want

1331
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 1: to watch this and spend your Friday night doing this,

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Speaker 1: Rutgers is a two and a half point home dog.

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Speaker 1: Got a couple other interesting games throughout the course of

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Speaker 1: the week, and it's spread out really well. I'm struggling

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Speaker 1: with what the window of opportunity is going to be

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Speaker 1: this week. Okay, got the Iron Skillet game SMU against

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01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 1: TCU early in the day on Saturday. You also got

1338
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Speaker 1: Arkansas Memphis going on at the same time. I think

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01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 1: that could be a fun game. At three point thirty,

1340
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 1: it's Michigan at Nebraska. We will absolutely need to preview

1341
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 1: that one on the Thursday episode. Yes, that's a big

1342
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 1: game to Land at Old Miss could be interesting. NC

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01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 1: State at Duke is very quietly, I think a great game.

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01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 1: That one's at four o'clock.

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01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 2: Yep.

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01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 1: Also in that mid afternoon window. You've got your Oregon

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01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 1: Ducks a thirty five point favorite at home in the

1348
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 1: Platypus Cup against Oregon State. We've got North Carolina on

1349
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: the road about a touchdown dog against UCF, which I

1350
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 1: don't know if I fully get that, but okay, okay.

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01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 1: And JMU versus Liberty, which probably isn't as big a

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01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 1: game as it once looked to be given the fact

1353
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 1: that Liberty's aready dropped to But it's a big one

1354
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 1: for JMU. They're about a ten point road favorite. At night,

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01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 1: we've got some bangers, hopefully, hopefully, hopefully.

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Speaker 2: We've got some looks like bangers. Three weeks ago, Week four, nighttime.

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Speaker 2: So I just mentioned the Indiana Illinois game. We've also

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01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 2: got South Carolina against Miszoo. It looks like Lenora's is

1359
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 2: gonna be out. Oh the he's out.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I am interpreting as much given the fact that

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Speaker 1: Missoo right now is about a two touchdown favorite.

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01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 2: Right that's true.

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Speaker 1: Florida against Miami in state rivalry, Miami favored by seven

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Speaker 1: and a half right now. That's at night, Arizona State

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Speaker 1: at Baylor. Baylor is favored by three.

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Speaker 2: Kind of makes sense. Last time was say, Arizona State

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01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 2: on the road.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, also got the Apple Cup Wazoo a twenty one

1369
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 1: point home dog, and a game that is gonna fly

1370
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 1: under the radar BYU traveling cross country to square off

1371
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 1: against ECU. Ooh, ec you can score, that's true. Seven

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Speaker 1: and a half point home dog. Looking at it, I'm

1373
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:51,559
Speaker 1: looking at it. And then a nightcap Wyoming against Colorado.

1374
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 1: Don't know what to make of Colorado, but Colorado twelve

1375
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 1: and a half point home favorite. And then at eleven

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Speaker 1: pm Eastern time. Yeah, ah, Michigan State on the road

1377
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 1: at USC USC favored by about seventeen points.

1378
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Speaker 2: I get that sky rising money that late ty, gotta

1379
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:16,599
Speaker 2: get that money. Michigan State USC local time, eleven pm

1380
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:18,799
Speaker 2: kick for Michigan State fans.

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Speaker 1: Well local time for Michigan State fans, I guess would

1382
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Speaker 1: be what a ten pm kick?

1383
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:26,679
Speaker 2: Oh, excuse me, ten pm kick eleven pm Eastern Yeah,

1384
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 2: a ten pm local kick.

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Speaker 1: Body clocks are gonna be a little bit tired. That's

1386
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:33,440
Speaker 1: usually past my bedtime.

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Speaker 2: Man, So that means they're not home until Sunday midday.

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Speaker 2: Something like that. I guess se Michigan does Michigan State

1389
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:44,599
Speaker 2: have a bye the following week. I have no idea ida,

1390
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 2: I'll take a look, but man, what an unfortunate reality. Man,

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01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:51,640
Speaker 2: we're gonna be doing our live stream. They're gonna be

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01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:53,600
Speaker 2: done with the first quarter in that one. It's like

1393
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:57,639
Speaker 2: a Hawaii game. Oh, Michigan State does have a bye,

1394
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 2: thank god. They travel to Nebraska on October fourth.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, it's a good week of games. It's a really

1396
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 1: good weekend game. Sure, I would encourage people now if

1397
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 1: you're doing some advanced planning, if you've got to figure

1398
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 1: out a date night, figure it out this week because

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01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 1: Week five is going to be crazy. Of course, week

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01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 1: five we're also going to be up at Penn State, Oregon.

1401
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 1: We did find a way into the stadium after they

1402
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 1: rejected our credentials. But yeah, we have good tickets into

1403
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:25,679
Speaker 1: the stadium. We will talk about that in due course.

1404
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 1: But that's going to be a banger of a week.

1405
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 1: There are a bunch of huge games in week five,

1406
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 1: so make sure they get the date night out of

1407
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 1: the way in advance. Make sure that you plan accordingly

1408
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:39,720
Speaker 1: this week. We will help you every step of the way.

1409
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 1: Window of opportunity coming your way on Thursday, as well

1410
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:44,760
Speaker 1: as a broader look in and around the world of

1411
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 1: college football. Don't forget if you are doing a little

1412
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:55,600
Speaker 1: bit of advanced planning, set a reminder, drink some coffee.

1413
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:58,639
Speaker 1: Join us on our midnight live stream as we recap

1414
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 1: all of week four. We will talk about that a

1415
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 1: little bit more on the Thursday at But the stream

1416
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:05,599
Speaker 1: has been a ton of fun, albeit a little bit

1417
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:07,680
Speaker 1: tired and you a little bit sick on all of

1418
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 1: them so far. Correct, But it's fun to go back

1419
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 1: through and talk about all things that transpire to the

1420
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:13,839
Speaker 1: world of college football.

1421
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 2: Have you fully shifted to Penn State now?

1422
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 1: No? No, no, no no.

1423
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:21,799
Speaker 2: Is there a point where you might.

1424
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 1: With the way Penn States look? No? Not yet?

1425
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 2: Really good second half last week.

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01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I'm just not there yet. Okay,

1427
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 1: I don't really know what I'm seeing here.

1428
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:35,799
Speaker 2: Ty they win games, they end up in the right.

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01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 1: College play defense, too, don't they?

1430
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 2: They do play defense.

1431
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 1: This is how I know I'm getting old. I'm starting

1432
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:45,840
Speaker 1: to like fixate on defense. Yep, it does win championships.

1433
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 1: They were not wrong about that.

1434
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 2: They're not wrong. Mario Craver has gotten so much exercise

1435
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 2: this week.

1436
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 1: Right in solid verbal at gmail dot com. Do check

1437
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 1: us out at verballers dot com if you're interested in

1438
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Speaker 1: supporting what the and I do. Of course, not only

1439
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 1: can you vote in the for Baller Top twelve poll,

1440
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:07,599
Speaker 1: but also we have a run the Board pick Them

1441
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 1: game that is ongoing. We will talk about the weekly

1442
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 1: prize when we do our Thursday episode, but we have

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01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 1: a record number of people who have signed up to

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Speaker 1: be part of Run the Board again. If you finish

1445
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 1: in the top five at the end of the year,

1446
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 1: you get to be on our board of trustees. The

1447
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 1: games that you will be picking though in week four

1448
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 1: are most of the ones that we described here. Twelve

1449
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 1: games on the slate. You get to pick all of

1450
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 1: them against the spread. If you finish in first, you'd

1451
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:37,639
Speaker 1: qualify for a great prize. You got to be one

1452
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 1: of our paying certified or premium for ballers in order

1453
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 1: to qualify for it. But if you are one of them,

1454
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:45,879
Speaker 1: we will talk about that prize in the Thursday episode.

1455
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:47,599
Speaker 1: Run the Board is the name of the game.

1456
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 2: We should give away the new I slide Ty Hildenbrandt

1457
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 2: flip Flop flip flops that we're developing for the solidble star.

1458
01:14:58,000 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 2: You know, if one of your teams isn't looking so

1459
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 2: high boom, what.

1460
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 1: Does the design look like for that? For for what

1461
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:07,840
Speaker 1: the tie flip flop? Is it my face on the

1462
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 1: flip flop?

1463
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of one of it's a happy face on

1464
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 2: one and it's a sad face on the other. It's

1465
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 2: a man for all seasons.

1466
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 1: Nobody would buy that. Nobody wants that.

1467
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 2: Oh, I would absolutely pay a premium. No, you wouldn't,

1468
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 2: of course I would.

1469
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 1: You would bet you would buy that.

1470
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 2: It's conversation started with.

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01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 1: My feet on it, or with my face your feet,

1472
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 1: your feet.

1473
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 2: It's a limitless potential my face on your feet. Yeah,

1474
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:35,760
Speaker 2: of course nobody would buy that. The tie Heilder brand

1475
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 2: flip flop flip flops.

1476
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:40,760
Speaker 1: You can right now buy the hat. We do have

1477
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 1: cusies out there. We made the koozies. We got some

1478
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 1: new shirts. We got one new shirt now a time

1479
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 1: of recording, and we've got some other ones that are

1480
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:50,719
Speaker 1: in the queue.

1481
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll have two shirts this week. Yeah.

1482
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:54,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, by the time we get to the Thursday episode,

1483
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 1: we will talk a lot more exhaustively about that. It

1484
01:15:57,320 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 1: will also put it in the newsletter. All that stuff

1485
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 1: if you're interested, But for now anyway, some of the

1486
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 1: hats have started to go. You can get this hat

1487
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:09,680
Speaker 1: in black and blue in addition to the white, and

1488
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 1: the shirts are a lot of fun. I don't want

1489
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 1: to spoil surprise. We'll talk more about that in the

1490
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:16,640
Speaker 1: next episode. Yes, Dan Rubenstein, feel better? Okay, we need

1491
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:19,719
Speaker 1: you at I'll trying optimal capacity in time for week four.

1492
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 1: Try it for that guy over there, sick Dan Rubinstein,

1493
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:25,720
Speaker 1: for myself. Tie hell the abill talk y'all soon and

1494
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 1: entimes stay solid.

1495
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:27,679
Speaker 2: Peace