Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of podcast
Speaker 1: where we cover the race for People's Sexiest man uh
Speaker 1: and what What's gonna What's coming from the grammy noms? Uh?
Speaker 1: Now this is uh, this is the first episode we're
Speaker 1: recording after the election result. My name is Jack O'Brien.
Speaker 1: That over there is Miles Gray.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: A bad result for the Democrats last night in the election.
Speaker 1: A bad result I would say for the future of
Speaker 1: America because we are going to get a new version
Speaker 1: of fascism that reaches new depths that I don't think
Speaker 1: we've seen or like we've never imagined yet. But so
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of pain and anguish. Certainly
Speaker 1: I'm feeling a lot of that.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: I the the polling that I was using as copium
Speaker 1: heading into the election, the cells Are poll that I
Speaker 1: think a lot of.
Speaker 2: I sniffed too much of that cells Are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean I think for anyone listening,
Speaker 3: it's it's too early to begin really like parsing through
Speaker 3: the why of it in terms from like the how
Speaker 3: who voted how. I think the bigger picture has been
Speaker 3: clear just about how liberals then liberalism have this is
Speaker 3: like it's like policing. It's like a failed project that's
Speaker 3: not rendering the results, and in fact is only you know,
Speaker 3: I think, rather than being like they fumbled with the
Speaker 3: messaging or these other things, they're just larger material life
Speaker 3: issues that have gone that went completely unaddressed, especially during
Speaker 3: the Biden administration. That I think opens people up to
Speaker 3: being like, well, definitely not this while not considering what
Speaker 3: the alternative is. And some people absolutely did consider the
Speaker 3: alternative and fully embrace it. I mean, I look at
Speaker 3: the results, just even in California with some of the
Speaker 3: Ballait propositions that went through, like being like, yeah, let's
Speaker 3: keep like incarcerated people in a form of slavery, like
Speaker 3: let's uphold that norm. Let's also add some more severe
Speaker 3: punishments to very small crimes. So I mean, broadly, there
Speaker 3: was a yeah, there's a lot is changing demographically, but yeah,
Speaker 3: all that to say, I mean, I think I'm just completely,
Speaker 3: like partially just like yeah, but I almost like fucking I'm
Speaker 3: like pissed that I even allowed myself to me too.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing we always, at least for me personally, right,
Speaker 3: like elections and things that happen in politics.
Speaker 2: I'm always kind of like, all.
Speaker 3: Right, America, like, let's see how fucked up we are
Speaker 3: and how much we're not seeing the bigger picture. And
Speaker 3: watching those results I think was just a grim reminder
Speaker 3: of the fact that this country like has and always
Speaker 3: will be this sort of same thing, which is foundationally
Speaker 3: like the sort of the white supremacist capitalist patriarchy.
Speaker 2: And despite the.
Speaker 3: Vibrations that abound, at the end of the day, fundamentally
Speaker 3: that's kind of like where we sort of end up
Speaker 3: sliding back to without any especially when we're.
Speaker 2: Not offering people something truly truly different.
Speaker 1: Because that's so allergic to offering something that is actually
Speaker 1: substantive and progressive in a fundamental way.
Speaker 3: If capital isn't centered, then it's that's absolute anathema to
Speaker 3: these people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there were like Rashida Tali one reelection
Speaker 1: with seventy seven percent of the vote, Ilhan Omar one
Speaker 1: reelection with seventy five percent of the vote. Because they
Speaker 1: have convictions, and their convictions don't align with sort of
Speaker 1: the liberal order that's represented by the mainstream media, and
Speaker 1: so they're treated as unpopular those convictions, but they're not
Speaker 1: unpopular with people, They're unpopular with the media. Some progressive
Speaker 1: policies did okay on ballot measures in places that you
Speaker 1: wouldn't expect them to, protecting abortion rights, raising the minimum wage,
Speaker 1: like in Missouri, where people voted for Trump like hard
Speaker 1: and went hard for Trump, they voted for abortion rights
Speaker 1: and increasing the minimum wage paid sickly, and then they
Speaker 1: also voted for Donald Trump by a landslide. It really
Speaker 1: feels like the thing that didn't do well well is
Speaker 1: the mainstream Democratic Party. And then I would say also
Speaker 1: the mainstream media is sort of narrative around the election,
Speaker 1: just didn't didn't resonate with people, but really like the
Speaker 1: strategy of changing convictions based on what they thought was
Speaker 1: going to be the most convenient for them electorally. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like they continue to treat politics as a game that
Speaker 1: they act like we don't know they're playing.
Speaker 3: Right, you know, And it's so clear, right like the
Speaker 3: pandering from from like Democrats, this like sort of neoliberal
Speaker 3: set and courting people on the right shows already that
Speaker 3: values are negotiable, you know, if you're if you're suddenly.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, you know what I'm actually I'm actually.
Speaker 3: For something more like a severe form of immigration control,
Speaker 3: and you waiver on those things, then we can't reasonably
Speaker 3: expect them to deliver on those things if those values
Speaker 3: are not set and they're not pore value like the values.
Speaker 2: Are just interchangeable.
Speaker 3: They're they're transactional, and they haven't really delivered. So as
Speaker 3: they move to the right to court those people on
Speaker 3: the right, you get you get the base of people
Speaker 3: who've been supporting Democrats who feel cheated and they're like.
Speaker 2: What the fuck, why are they going on? What the
Speaker 2: fuck is what's over there? I thought this ship was
Speaker 2: about what we're doing over here.
Speaker 3: And then the people on the right see the Democrats
Speaker 3: coming towards them, and they're like, oh, these people are
Speaker 3: just they fucking say whatever. Man, Like, yeah, I'm not,
Speaker 3: I'm not, I'm sure, but at like the Republicans have
Speaker 3: been saying the same shit forever, basically, just at louder
Speaker 3: volumes from time to time, and yeah, I again, I'm
Speaker 3: just like, I'm very this is again. This is the
Speaker 3: first time I'm taught like we're talking about this, so
Speaker 3: forgive me, because my thoughts are like all over the place.
Speaker 3: I'm very concerned about the future for younger people I'm
Speaker 3: very concerned about trans people.
Speaker 2: I'm very concerned about immigrants.
Speaker 3: I'm very I'm just generally a lot of things become
Speaker 3: very very existential, like very.
Speaker 2: Quickly just thinking about this presidency.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think I think immediately what people are
Speaker 3: probably going to experience first is more.
Speaker 2: Just like the neglect of the government.
Speaker 3: Like it's not so much as like people are going
Speaker 3: to be coming for people, more so that no one
Speaker 3: gives a fuck about you is probably I feel like,
Speaker 3: probably like the first phase of what this is all
Speaker 3: going to feel like, Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then the coming for you I think will yeah.
Speaker 3: At a certain point, because I think the lack of
Speaker 3: social safety nets, the just destruction of public education, public health,
Speaker 3: and things like that are going to manifest in these
Speaker 3: other sort of chaotic ways that we're all going to.
Speaker 1: Have to deal with.
Speaker 3: The one thing that I am thinking of is that
Speaker 3: what is clear is we have to now, first of all, motherfuckers,
Speaker 3: Brunch is canceled forever.
Speaker 1: Forever is over.
Speaker 3: Brunch is dyed h and we have to really think
Speaker 3: about too. I think one thing is that it was
Speaker 3: easy to just be like, oh, yeah, you know what,
Speaker 3: maybe calm won and it just like kind of just
Speaker 3: slow down the rot and won't have to really really
Speaker 3: have to take radical action to help other people. But
Speaker 3: I think now with Trump in the White House is
Speaker 3: that that's becoming very real. And that's how I'm kind
Speaker 3: of trying to figure out what how I'm going to
Speaker 3: feel good is that people are going to need help
Speaker 3: because it's not going to come from the places that
Speaker 3: it usually does. And this hopefully can reinforce our sense
Speaker 3: of community and connection to each other to one And
Speaker 3: that's such a fucking three million foot altitude take right now.
Speaker 3: But that's about as much as I can articulate at
Speaker 3: the moment, just given how fucking just wild this whole
Speaker 3: situation is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do, Yeah, I mean, I mean, like some
Speaker 1: of the early electoral data suggests that like the places
Speaker 1: that Harris gained was like only with people who earned
Speaker 1: over one hundred thousand dollars, but then she lost. It
Speaker 1: really feels like when you have two neoliberal like options,
Speaker 1: and you know, I think the Republican Party and the
Speaker 1: first Trump administration kind of fits into that category where
Speaker 1: like it feels like there's this establishment system that is
Speaker 1: consistently resisting any sort of political or institutional action that
Speaker 1: would benefit people. You know, in any consistent way, you're
Speaker 1: going to consistently have a situation where whoever the party
Speaker 1: is that's in power is going to have a massive disadvantage,
Speaker 1: and especially if they like it's just all the shit
Speaker 1: that we were saying all along with like that that
Speaker 1: seemed wild about like Harris being like, I can't think
Speaker 1: of a single thing I would have done differently, and
Speaker 1: not like running away from the Biden administration in any way,
Speaker 1: you know, radical centrism, trying to like make friends with
Speaker 1: the Republicans, you know, by like being friends with Liz
Speaker 1: and Dick Cheney. Like the consistency or lack thereof really
Speaker 1: feels important to voters now. And they did, like they
Speaker 1: did the exact opposite that they did. They like there
Speaker 1: there were New York Times articles like written approvingly about this,
Speaker 1: like social media strategy on the Democratic parties.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, they they turned up every lever except the
Speaker 2: one that was going to bring meaningful, material change to
Speaker 2: people's everyday lives.
Speaker 3: It's like, well, we're not gonna I mean, we're not
Speaker 3: going to try and figure out how to like you know,
Speaker 3: give people better financial support or augment like a child
Speaker 3: tax credit or those kinds of things, or really implement
Speaker 3: an affordable housing plan.
Speaker 1: It just became like, what.
Speaker 3: If we got the Avengers on a zoom call on
Speaker 3: GOOTV Monday and that maybe, well, that's how we can
Speaker 3: just squeak out a victory. What if we completely ignore
Speaker 3: the fact that we had so much polling around disarming
Speaker 3: Israel or not at least continuingly to continuing to happily
Speaker 3: arm Israel while they're in the midst of a genocide,
Speaker 3: when the polling clearly indicated you would gain more people
Speaker 3: by adopting that policy, but they said, well, we only
Speaker 3: lose five percent if we don't, you know, and they're
Speaker 3: looking at numbers like that and expecting they just wanted
Speaker 3: they just they were like, let's just put our fucking
Speaker 3: head down and just get through this thing and maybe
Speaker 3: scaring the shit out of people enough about trumpet work,
Speaker 3: and that clearly spectacularly failed. And there's like, and you
Speaker 3: just look at how much of a vote vanished for Democrats.
Speaker 3: I mean, I see people who are like, what happened
Speaker 3: all these votes? Like something's not right. I think people
Speaker 3: were clearly been like, what the status quo is fucking bullshit.
Speaker 3: And and right now, unfortunately the Biden administration, along with
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris is they are in the driver's seat for
Speaker 3: the status quo.
Speaker 2: So for most people, I think, without even thinking too,
Speaker 2: I'd be.
Speaker 3: Like, well, I'm not voting for this, and I'm not
Speaker 3: sure what this will bring, because I'm I'm sure most
Speaker 3: people don't know what this will bring. And that's the
Speaker 3: other part that really is just the freaky and sad.
Speaker 3: And yeah again, we're truly we are in the midst
Speaker 3: of a very interesting period for American history for sure,
Speaker 3: like this, yes, this is this is something we've never
Speaker 3: this is something we've never seen, and yeah, well we
Speaker 3: will have to figure out how to how to manage it.
Speaker 1: There was this New York Times article about their social
Speaker 1: media strategy where they were just like test out a
Speaker 1: bunch of things, see what works. I think I remember
Speaker 1: things like that in the twenty twelve Obama re election campaign.
Speaker 1: I know I remember that being specifically a strategy with
Speaker 1: the Clinton administration where it was weather. They would call
Speaker 1: it weather ballooning messaging and seeing, how you know, focus
Speaker 1: group testing and you just like release this cloud of
Speaker 1: political nanobots trying to win this imaginary game they still
Speaker 1: think they're playing, and I'm sure they're like there will
Speaker 1: be examples where they did like talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: economically helping people, but it was like one of a
Speaker 1: thousand messages that they were putting out and there was
Speaker 1: no conviction. And also we saw that the Biden administration,
Speaker 1: you know, at several kind of high leverage moments where
Speaker 1: like Biden threw up his hands, I was like, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm trying over here. I just like can't do anything.
Speaker 1: I'm only the president of the United States. Like those
Speaker 1: are moments that I think stuck with people, and it
Speaker 1: really feels like the exact opposite, Like consistency of message
Speaker 1: and of values and being able to stick to a
Speaker 1: central message is incredibly important. Now It's what drove like
Speaker 1: the nobody saw coming Sanders campaign. Like we talked about
Speaker 1: how like Trump when he came to power, there was
Speaker 1: like all this, you know, the people who saw him
Speaker 1: coming were like, there's just appetite for an anti establishment
Speaker 1: pick and being the establishment and just frantically trying to
Speaker 1: say whatever it is you think people want to hear
Speaker 1: from you. Is like the exact opposite of what is
Speaker 1: going to resonate with people. Yeah. So yeah, that's kind
Speaker 1: of where I'm at with like how we got here,
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and
Speaker 1: we're back. Yeah. I retweeted this video from David Graeber, like,
Speaker 1: you know, he died in twenty twenty, but just talking about, oh.
Speaker 2: Like the failings of liberalism.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like the radical centrism. Yeah, of like you know,
Speaker 1: he talked about how Obama, and I think this extends
Speaker 1: to Clinton, they were basically people who became popular because
Speaker 1: they were charismatic enough to make it seem like they
Speaker 1: believed in something. You just had all the gestures and
Speaker 1: the aesthetics of a movement, you know, like we had
Speaker 1: the Obama poster, we had you know, there was just
Speaker 1: but then they ultimately don't deliver on that, and you
Speaker 1: ultimately end up like making I don't know, like that
Speaker 1: that has to be damaging to the overall brand of
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party when they keep appropriating the images of
Speaker 1: the ideals of progressive politics and then you know, not
Speaker 1: not delivering on it. So yeah, I mean this is
Speaker 1: all like long term problems that I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people have been identifying for a long time. But
Speaker 1: I do think all of these different strands are coming
Speaker 1: back and taking a giant shit on their faces totally.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, like it's just yeah, I don't know, man,
Speaker 3: I really don't. I mean I I historically we've just
Speaker 3: we see the pattern play out over and over and
Speaker 3: over again, and we just absolutely, you know, unfortunately, because
Speaker 3: all of the power is concentrated at the top, just
Speaker 3: are learning zero lessons.
Speaker 2: And that's really frustrating from just.
Speaker 3: The way that the way this campaign happened, the lack
Speaker 3: of a primary.
Speaker 2: There's just I think that's the thing.
Speaker 3: It's like so right now being in this moment, because
Speaker 3: it's just like right after like just being in a
Speaker 3: car accident and like you're just kind of peeling your
Speaker 3: face off the air bag. For anybody who's unfortunately been
Speaker 3: in an air like a car accident like that, it's
Speaker 3: fucking disorienting, you know, you're like, fuck, and right now
Speaker 3: all these things are like rushing through in my head
Speaker 3: of all the different ways that these little blunders were
Speaker 3: adding up to something like this. I just hope that,
Speaker 3: you know, like in a just world, this would be
Speaker 3: the end of the Democratic Party in this current incarnation.
Speaker 3: But I think we have to also be really real
Speaker 3: about the fact that the current that this party will
Speaker 3: not really change in terms of being able to move
Speaker 3: beyond the worship of capital and making line go up.
Speaker 1: And you know, but it's a massive, extremely well funded,
Speaker 1: extremely sophisticated machine designed to convert you know, our impulses
Speaker 1: for change and progressive ideals and progressive movement into like
Speaker 1: you know, market based Yeah, yeah, political movement, and that
Speaker 1: that's what it does. That's that is kind of its whole,
Speaker 1: Like if you look back on it over the past,
Speaker 1: you know, twenty years, that is really what it is
Speaker 1: designed to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's That's just a moment for I
Speaker 3: think for a long time, you know, like we're always
Speaker 3: like demanding better. You know, it's like they can do better,
Speaker 3: they can do better, and they can, but intellectually and
Speaker 3: the way the the ideology of the party works, it's
Speaker 3: incapable of it congesture to it can do things like incrementally,
Speaker 3: but not in the truly meaningful way. And I think
Speaker 3: the only hope, the other hope that I can hold
Speaker 3: out for is a like you know, we were talking
Speaker 3: and with crafton talking about the passing of time and
Speaker 3: finding old civil War rifles in a river. Is that
Speaker 3: things are things are always in flux. So yeah, this
Speaker 3: this era of American politics is fully shifting into something
Speaker 3: different now, or at least the more aggressive form of
Speaker 3: being like total mask off, like y'all are on your
Speaker 3: own kind of shit. But there, but there, there is
Speaker 3: going to be an opportunity for people with actual convictions
Speaker 3: to hopefully fill in just to sort of recapture what
Speaker 3: people can believe in two. I don't think that's gonna
Speaker 3: happen now. But there's the bottom line is I think
Speaker 3: too many people feel completely cut out of a normal life,
Speaker 3: and because because of that, there's just resentment going in
Speaker 3: so many different directions. And yeah, holding onto the message
Speaker 3: of just saying like we're gonna give you this the
Speaker 3: same thing, but maybe with a few more celebrity endorsements.
Speaker 2: It's just not enough. It's not enough. It's not enough. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know what else. I don't I really don't
Speaker 2: want to say. I'm kind of like just cooked, dude.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm so sorry, y'all, it's.
Speaker 3: It's just I also just I just honestly I feel
Speaker 3: really fucking awful too, for just for for like a
Speaker 3: fleeting moment being like oh yeah, this this this maybe
Speaker 3: maybe this isn't where things are headed, when like, deep down,
Speaker 3: like I could just.
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is so bad.
Speaker 3: You're not giving people anything, You're not talking to people
Speaker 3: where they're at, you're not acknowledging their suffering. And yeah,
Speaker 3: absolutely it's yeah, I feel I feel terrible.
Speaker 1: I feel like I fucked up. I got caught up
Speaker 1: in you know, pulling and bullshit like that, and just
Speaker 1: you know, hope that this would somehow like stave off
Speaker 1: the full right.
Speaker 3: Because I think at the end because at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, like I mean, the pattern was always
Speaker 3: going to be if material conditions aren't being improved for people,
Speaker 3: they are going to begin to open up to alternative
Speaker 3: forms of governance, whatever that is good or bad, because again,
Speaker 3: what is on offer is not doing it. So like
Speaker 3: knowing that deep down, it's just like I think it's
Speaker 3: also because you just want to you just be like, fuck, dude,
Speaker 3: I know, like what the this world is so fucking unfair,
Speaker 3: but that but again, the levees were going to have
Speaker 3: to break at some point, and I think this is
Speaker 3: how it's doing it. I think all all of like
Speaker 3: the finger pointing I'm seeing like in certain op eds
Speaker 3: and like on online, are not really helpful at the
Speaker 3: moment because I think the larger picture, it's not like,
Speaker 3: well what if so and so did better or whatever.
Speaker 3: I mean, like, I'm sure we can we'll be able
Speaker 3: to talk about that a lot more like once you
Speaker 3: fully like dive into the data. But I think at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, what the biggest issue was
Speaker 3: is that the status quo is absolutely fucking killing people,
Speaker 3: not just here but abroad. Yeah, And the answer to
Speaker 3: that as an electoral strategy was to just keep insisting
Speaker 3: on it was an absolute blunder. But I think for
Speaker 3: the consultants that were running Joe Biden's campaign and then
Speaker 3: took over Kama's campaign, they just felt because of their
Speaker 3: such their utter disconnection from what what actual people are feeling.
Speaker 3: They're like, no, man, just fucking get We'll say some
Speaker 3: cool stuff, We'll get some really cool, glitzy public appearances
Speaker 3: and things like that, and and and and just we'll
Speaker 3: just gesture.
Speaker 2: To the fact that we're not these people. And that's
Speaker 2: just not enough.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, I'm curious to see what, you know, how
Speaker 3: the establishment Democrats reckon with this because I'm I don't
Speaker 3: know if they're gonna keep blaming other people, uh yeah,
Speaker 3: because I mean I would be I would be shocked
Speaker 3: if they were, like, we just really need to meet
Speaker 3: people where they're at. I mean, like the thing I'm
Speaker 3: seeing from more people is like talk about like we
Speaker 3: need our own Prager University, we need our own daily
Speaker 3: Wise Like I mean, you guys think this is this
Speaker 3: kind of already exists and the form of like mainstream media.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it rejects yeah, certain things, so like it's
Speaker 1: I do feel like the mainstream media is just the
Speaker 1: like doing kind of the same thing that the Democratic isn't,
Speaker 1: taking those ideals and then converting them into market you know,
Speaker 1: pro market capitalism, and they're like they are playing and
Speaker 1: buying into that same game of you know, politics is
Speaker 1: convincing people you're going to do what they want you
Speaker 1: to do and then like ultimately doing whatever's best for
Speaker 1: the market. Like that that assumption is just like built in,
Speaker 1: and I just yeah, there has to be consistency and
Speaker 1: convictions and yeah, maybe a primary will it will help.
Speaker 1: Maybe actually, you know, having a Democratic primary next time
Speaker 1: will help and will reveal some candidate one of the
Speaker 1: effective things I saw in the mainstream media that did
Speaker 1: stick with me was actually, I think it was John
Speaker 1: Stewart just showing people's reactions to each of the losses,
Speaker 1: like both Democrat and Republican, and like they were always
Speaker 1: like coming up with some solution like sort of. The
Speaker 1: mainstream response was like, well, now the Republican Party will
Speaker 1: need to be like a softer, gentler Republican Party ahead
Speaker 1: of like the rise of trump Ism, and you know,
Speaker 1: now the Democratic Party will have to like move towards
Speaker 1: the Republican Party. And it's never it's never right the
Speaker 1: message that people have in the offing, and usually the
Speaker 1: way that their conventional political strategist wisdom gets upset is
Speaker 1: by a candidate coming out of the woodwork, you know,
Speaker 1: Obama or Trump or someone like that and not being
Speaker 1: what people expected, at least on the surface. So maybe
Speaker 1: a primary will reveal somebody who is able to you know,
Speaker 1: have consistency and convictions. But right now it just feels
Speaker 1: like really hard to imagine a version of the Democratic
Speaker 1: Party that is not because it's just so wild that
Speaker 1: after twenty sixteen, the lessons were so profoundly unlearned. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, I came back and did the same fucking
Speaker 1: thing twenty four and then they just lost the need
Speaker 1: it exact same way got.
Speaker 2: Through by the fucking film on their dentures in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty and were like, yeah, fuck yeah, that worked. That worked.
Speaker 2: That worked.
Speaker 3: And when you look at like the number of registered
Speaker 3: Republicans that got picked off, it was like six percent
Speaker 3: went Biden's way in twenty twenty, like five percent went that.
Speaker 3: All that work for fucking five percent, Yeah, and that's it.
Speaker 1: They lost. They they won fewer, a smaller percentage of
Speaker 1: the Republican vote after focusing their entire closing message on
Speaker 1: courting Republican voters with like Dick and Liz Cheney. The
Speaker 1: Trump campaign's research, like The New York Times, wrote an
Speaker 1: article about like the closing messaging from both of the campaigns.
Speaker 1: The Trump campaign's research found that Up for Grabs voters
Speaker 1: were about six times as likely as other battleground state
Speaker 1: voters to be motivated by their views of Israel's war
Speaker 1: in Gaza, and changed their messaging to you know, make
Speaker 1: empty gestures at that at being like anti war. Obviously
Speaker 1: they're not going to be an anti war administration, but
Speaker 1: like they at least were willing to acknowledge that and
Speaker 1: change that messaging. Yeah, but yeah, the the trying to
Speaker 1: run right didn't work, didn't work. They lost with everybody
Speaker 1: who makes less than one hundred thousand dollars. They gained
Speaker 1: with people who make over one hundred thousand dollars a year,
Speaker 1: and lost ground with people who make less than that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and yeah, I guess and numerically guess who there's
Speaker 3: more of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Just I think again, the one thing I think, I
Speaker 3: think for everybody listening like this feels.
Speaker 2: Shitty, it is shitty.
Speaker 3: It's perfectly okay to like grieve whatever sort of future
Speaker 3: you thought may have been coming. But I think on
Speaker 3: the other side of that for those of us who
Speaker 3: are really engaged and have empathy, but the real challenge
Speaker 3: is now going to be that, like our challenge is
Speaker 3: going to be in how we are able to protect
Speaker 3: each other, how we can really again, the things that
Speaker 3: we're fucking this country up. We're not going to be
Speaker 3: solved in a presidential election given what was on offer,
Speaker 3: But there's a lot to be done in your immediate
Speaker 3: community and what you are in control of around you locally,
Speaker 3: and that's I think the place to really pour the
Speaker 3: energy into because people, it's the people that are around
Speaker 3: you that are going to need, like we are going
Speaker 3: to need each other the most, and I think that's
Speaker 3: what we have to open ourselves up to, truly, is
Speaker 3: to step up that challenge to really, really really be
Speaker 3: committed to that, because that's how that's the only way
Speaker 3: we're going to kind of be able to weather whatever
Speaker 3: storm is coming our way and the only way we
Speaker 3: can really feel good about it. So I don't, I know,
Speaker 3: it feels like absolute shit right now, and that's okay
Speaker 3: because it's it totally fucking It's terrible to like watch
Speaker 3: a thing happen where you're like, I think this.
Speaker 2: Is a car crash in slow motion.
Speaker 3: And I'm not the greatest thinker here, but I feel
Speaker 3: like this is a misstep, and watch that happen.
Speaker 2: It's terrible.
Speaker 3: It's difficult, and to see people emboldened on the right,
Speaker 3: it's awful.
Speaker 2: And it feels like the.
Speaker 3: Country fucking hates you, especially for marginalized people. You're like, maybe,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe maybe they do give a fuck about
Speaker 3: what these kinds of outcomes are. And I think rather
Speaker 3: than looking at it that way, we just have to
Speaker 3: understand that there are most people do want to the
Speaker 3: best for like their neighbors, and I think we have
Speaker 3: to really like pour into that because I think again,
Speaker 3: hitching our wagon to the star of electoral politics is
Speaker 3: very difficult and as we've seen and just bring utter disappointments.
Speaker 3: So I think, yeah, yeah, definitely the process is in order,
Speaker 3: and then we need to get to work and yeah,
Speaker 3: helping each other at like a local level, and that.
Speaker 1: Waiting for the Democratic Party to figure out things that
Speaker 1: they are designed not to figure out. It turns out,
Speaker 1: all right, We'll leave it there. We'll be back tomorrow
Speaker 1: with the whole lest episode of the show. Until then,
Speaker 1: be kind to each other, be kind to yourself. Get
Speaker 1: the vaccine, Jesus. The healthcare thing was like the fifth
Speaker 1: thing that, like RFK, is going to have a major
Speaker 1: role in the future the healthcare of this country. Get
Speaker 1: your flu shots, get your vaccines, don't do nothing about
Speaker 1: white supremacy, and we'll talk to you all tomorrow. Bye bye.