1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of podcast 2 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: where we cover the race for People's Sexiest man uh 3 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: and what What's gonna What's coming from the grammy noms? Uh? 4 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: Now this is uh, this is the first episode we're 5 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: recording after the election result. My name is Jack O'Brien. 6 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: That over there is Miles Gray. 7 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 8 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: A bad result for the Democrats last night in the election. 9 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: A bad result I would say for the future of 10 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: America because we are going to get a new version 11 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: of fascism that reaches new depths that I don't think 12 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: we've seen or like we've never imagined yet. But so 13 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of pain and anguish. Certainly 14 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: I'm feeling a lot of that. 15 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 3: Uh. 16 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: I the the polling that I was using as copium 17 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: heading into the election, the cells Are poll that I 18 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: think a lot of. 19 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 2: I sniffed too much of that cells Are. 20 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean I think for anyone listening, 21 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 3: it's it's too early to begin really like parsing through 22 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 3: the why of it in terms from like the how 23 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 3: who voted how. I think the bigger picture has been 24 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 3: clear just about how liberals then liberalism have this is 25 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 3: like it's like policing. It's like a failed project that's 26 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 3: not rendering the results, and in fact is only you know, 27 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 3: I think, rather than being like they fumbled with the 28 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 3: messaging or these other things, they're just larger material life 29 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 3: issues that have gone that went completely unaddressed, especially during 30 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 3: the Biden administration. That I think opens people up to 31 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 3: being like, well, definitely not this while not considering what 32 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 3: the alternative is. And some people absolutely did consider the 33 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 3: alternative and fully embrace it. I mean, I look at 34 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 3: the results, just even in California with some of the 35 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 3: Ballait propositions that went through, like being like, yeah, let's 36 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 3: keep like incarcerated people in a form of slavery, like 37 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 3: let's uphold that norm. Let's also add some more severe 38 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 3: punishments to very small crimes. So I mean, broadly, there 39 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:50,119 Speaker 3: was a yeah, there's a lot is changing demographically, but yeah, 40 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 3: all that to say, I mean, I think I'm just completely, 41 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 3: like partially just like yeah, but I almost like fucking I'm 42 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 3: like pissed that I even allowed myself to me too. 43 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 3: Here's the thing we always, at least for me personally, right, 44 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 3: like elections and things that happen in politics. 45 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: I'm always kind of like, all. 46 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 3: Right, America, like, let's see how fucked up we are 47 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 3: and how much we're not seeing the bigger picture. And 48 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 3: watching those results I think was just a grim reminder 49 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 3: of the fact that this country like has and always 50 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 3: will be this sort of same thing, which is foundationally 51 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 3: like the sort of the white supremacist capitalist patriarchy. 52 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 2: And despite the. 53 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 3: Vibrations that abound, at the end of the day, fundamentally 54 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 3: that's kind of like where we sort of end up 55 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 3: sliding back to without any especially when we're. 56 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: Not offering people something truly truly different. 57 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: Because that's so allergic to offering something that is actually 58 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: substantive and progressive in a fundamental way. 59 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 3: If capital isn't centered, then it's that's absolute anathema to 60 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 3: these people. 61 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there were like Rashida Tali one reelection 62 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: with seventy seven percent of the vote, Ilhan Omar one 63 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: reelection with seventy five percent of the vote. Because they 64 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 1: have convictions, and their convictions don't align with sort of 65 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: the liberal order that's represented by the mainstream media, and 66 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: so they're treated as unpopular those convictions, but they're not 67 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: unpopular with people, They're unpopular with the media. Some progressive 68 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: policies did okay on ballot measures in places that you 69 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: wouldn't expect them to, protecting abortion rights, raising the minimum wage, 70 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: like in Missouri, where people voted for Trump like hard 71 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: and went hard for Trump, they voted for abortion rights 72 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: and increasing the minimum wage paid sickly, and then they 73 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: also voted for Donald Trump by a landslide. It really 74 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: feels like the thing that didn't do well well is 75 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: the mainstream Democratic Party. And then I would say also 76 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: the mainstream media is sort of narrative around the election, 77 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: just didn't didn't resonate with people, but really like the 78 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 1: strategy of changing convictions based on what they thought was 79 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: going to be the most convenient for them electorally. Yeah, 80 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: like they continue to treat politics as a game that 81 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: they act like we don't know they're playing. 82 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 3: Right, you know, And it's so clear, right like the 83 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 3: pandering from from like Democrats, this like sort of neoliberal 84 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 3: set and courting people on the right shows already that 85 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 3: values are negotiable, you know, if you're if you're suddenly. 86 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 2: Like, yeah, you know what I'm actually I'm actually. 87 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 3: For something more like a severe form of immigration control, 88 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 3: and you waiver on those things, then we can't reasonably 89 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 3: expect them to deliver on those things if those values 90 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 3: are not set and they're not pore value like the values. 91 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 2: Are just interchangeable. 92 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 3: They're they're transactional, and they haven't really delivered. So as 93 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 3: they move to the right to court those people on 94 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 3: the right, you get you get the base of people 95 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 3: who've been supporting Democrats who feel cheated and they're like. 96 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 2: What the fuck, why are they going on? What the 97 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 2: fuck is what's over there? I thought this ship was 98 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 2: about what we're doing over here. 99 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 3: And then the people on the right see the Democrats 100 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 3: coming towards them, and they're like, oh, these people are 101 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 3: just they fucking say whatever. Man, Like, yeah, I'm not, 102 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 3: I'm not, I'm sure, but at like the Republicans have 103 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 3: been saying the same shit forever, basically, just at louder 104 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 3: volumes from time to time, and yeah, I again, I'm 105 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 3: just like, I'm very this is again. This is the 106 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 3: first time I'm taught like we're talking about this, so 107 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 3: forgive me, because my thoughts are like all over the place. 108 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 3: I'm very concerned about the future for younger people I'm 109 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 3: very concerned about trans people. 110 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 2: I'm very concerned about immigrants. 111 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,799 Speaker 3: I'm very I'm just generally a lot of things become 112 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 3: very very existential, like very. 113 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 2: Quickly just thinking about this presidency. 114 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think I think immediately what people are 115 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 3: probably going to experience first is more. 116 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 2: Just like the neglect of the government. 117 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 3: Like it's not so much as like people are going 118 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 3: to be coming for people, more so that no one 119 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 3: gives a fuck about you is probably I feel like, 120 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 3: probably like the first phase of what this is all 121 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 3: going to feel like, Yeah. 122 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: And then the coming for you I think will yeah. 123 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 3: At a certain point, because I think the lack of 124 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 3: social safety nets, the just destruction of public education, public health, 125 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 3: and things like that are going to manifest in these 126 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 3: other sort of chaotic ways that we're all going to. 127 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: Have to deal with. 128 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 3: The one thing that I am thinking of is that 129 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 3: what is clear is we have to now, first of all, motherfuckers, 130 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 3: Brunch is canceled forever. 131 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: Forever is over. 132 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 3: Brunch is dyed h and we have to really think 133 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 3: about too. I think one thing is that it was 134 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 3: easy to just be like, oh, yeah, you know what, 135 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 3: maybe calm won and it just like kind of just 136 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 3: slow down the rot and won't have to really really 137 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 3: have to take radical action to help other people. But 138 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 3: I think now with Trump in the White House is 139 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 3: that that's becoming very real. And that's how I'm kind 140 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 3: of trying to figure out what how I'm going to 141 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 3: feel good is that people are going to need help 142 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 3: because it's not going to come from the places that 143 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 3: it usually does. And this hopefully can reinforce our sense 144 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 3: of community and connection to each other to one And 145 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 3: that's such a fucking three million foot altitude take right now. 146 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 3: But that's about as much as I can articulate at 147 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 3: the moment, just given how fucking just wild this whole 148 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 3: situation is. 149 00:08:54,240 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I do, Yeah, I mean, I mean, like some 150 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: of the early electoral data suggests that like the places 151 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: that Harris gained was like only with people who earned 152 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: over one hundred thousand dollars, but then she lost. It 153 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 1: really feels like when you have two neoliberal like options, 154 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: and you know, I think the Republican Party and the 155 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: first Trump administration kind of fits into that category where 156 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: like it feels like there's this establishment system that is 157 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:42,719 Speaker 1: consistently resisting any sort of political or institutional action that 158 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: would benefit people. You know, in any consistent way, you're 159 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: going to consistently have a situation where whoever the party 160 00:09:55,520 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: is that's in power is going to have a massive disadvantage, 161 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: and especially if they like it's just all the shit 162 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: that we were saying all along with like that that 163 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 1: seemed wild about like Harris being like, I can't think 164 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: of a single thing I would have done differently, and 165 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: not like running away from the Biden administration in any way, 166 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: you know, radical centrism, trying to like make friends with 167 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: the Republicans, you know, by like being friends with Liz 168 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: and Dick Cheney. Like the consistency or lack thereof really 169 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 1: feels important to voters now. And they did, like they 170 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: did the exact opposite that they did. They like there 171 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: there were New York Times articles like written approvingly about this, 172 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: like social media strategy on the Democratic parties. 173 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 2: Well yeah, they they turned up every lever except the 174 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 2: one that was going to bring meaningful, material change to 175 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 2: people's everyday lives. 176 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 3: It's like, well, we're not gonna I mean, we're not 177 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 3: going to try and figure out how to like you know, 178 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 3: give people better financial support or augment like a child 179 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 3: tax credit or those kinds of things, or really implement 180 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 3: an affordable housing plan. 181 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 1: It just became like, what. 182 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 3: If we got the Avengers on a zoom call on 183 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 3: GOOTV Monday and that maybe, well, that's how we can 184 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 3: just squeak out a victory. What if we completely ignore 185 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 3: the fact that we had so much polling around disarming 186 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 3: Israel or not at least continuingly to continuing to happily 187 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,239 Speaker 3: arm Israel while they're in the midst of a genocide, 188 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 3: when the polling clearly indicated you would gain more people 189 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 3: by adopting that policy, but they said, well, we only 190 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 3: lose five percent if we don't, you know, and they're 191 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 3: looking at numbers like that and expecting they just wanted 192 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,959 Speaker 3: they just they were like, let's just put our fucking 193 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 3: head down and just get through this thing and maybe 194 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 3: scaring the shit out of people enough about trumpet work, 195 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 3: and that clearly spectacularly failed. And there's like, and you 196 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 3: just look at how much of a vote vanished for Democrats. 197 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 3: I mean, I see people who are like, what happened 198 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 3: all these votes? Like something's not right. I think people 199 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 3: were clearly been like, what the status quo is fucking bullshit. 200 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 3: And and right now, unfortunately the Biden administration, along with 201 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 3: Kamala Harris is they are in the driver's seat for 202 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 3: the status quo. 203 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 2: So for most people, I think, without even thinking too, 204 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 2: I'd be. 205 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 3: Like, well, I'm not voting for this, and I'm not 206 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 3: sure what this will bring, because I'm I'm sure most 207 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 3: people don't know what this will bring. And that's the 208 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 3: other part that really is just the freaky and sad. 209 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 3: And yeah again, we're truly we are in the midst 210 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 3: of a very interesting period for American history for sure, 211 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 3: like this, yes, this is this is something we've never 212 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 3: this is something we've never seen, and yeah, well we 213 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,839 Speaker 3: will have to figure out how to how to manage it. 214 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: There was this New York Times article about their social 215 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: media strategy where they were just like test out a 216 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: bunch of things, see what works. I think I remember 217 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: things like that in the twenty twelve Obama re election campaign. 218 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: I know I remember that being specifically a strategy with 219 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: the Clinton administration where it was weather. They would call 220 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: it weather ballooning messaging and seeing, how you know, focus 221 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: group testing and you just like release this cloud of 222 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: political nanobots trying to win this imaginary game they still 223 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: think they're playing, and I'm sure they're like there will 224 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: be examples where they did like talk about, you know, 225 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: economically helping people, but it was like one of a 226 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: thousand messages that they were putting out and there was 227 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: no conviction. And also we saw that the Biden administration, 228 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: you know, at several kind of high leverage moments where 229 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 1: like Biden threw up his hands, I was like, guys, 230 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: I'm trying over here. I just like can't do anything. 231 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: I'm only the president of the United States. Like those 232 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: are moments that I think stuck with people, and it 233 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: really feels like the exact opposite, Like consistency of message 234 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: and of values and being able to stick to a 235 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: central message is incredibly important. Now It's what drove like 236 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:44,479 Speaker 1: the nobody saw coming Sanders campaign. Like we talked about 237 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: how like Trump when he came to power, there was 238 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: like all this, you know, the people who saw him 239 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: coming were like, there's just appetite for an anti establishment 240 00:14:55,160 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: pick and being the establishment and just frantically trying to 241 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: say whatever it is you think people want to hear 242 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: from you. Is like the exact opposite of what is 243 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: going to resonate with people. Yeah. So yeah, that's kind 244 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: of where I'm at with like how we got here, 245 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and 246 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: we're back. Yeah. I retweeted this video from David Graeber, like, 247 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: you know, he died in twenty twenty, but just talking about, oh. 248 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 2: Like the failings of liberalism. 249 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, just like the radical centrism. Yeah, of like you know, 250 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: he talked about how Obama, and I think this extends 251 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: to Clinton, they were basically people who became popular because 252 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: they were charismatic enough to make it seem like they 253 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: believed in something. You just had all the gestures and 254 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: the aesthetics of a movement, you know, like we had 255 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: the Obama poster, we had you know, there was just 256 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: but then they ultimately don't deliver on that, and you 257 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: ultimately end up like making I don't know, like that 258 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: that has to be damaging to the overall brand of 259 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party when they keep appropriating the images of 260 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: the ideals of progressive politics and then you know, not 261 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: not delivering on it. So yeah, I mean this is 262 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: all like long term problems that I think a lot 263 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: of people have been identifying for a long time. But 264 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: I do think all of these different strands are coming 265 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: back and taking a giant shit on their faces totally. 266 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 3: It's yeah, like it's just yeah, I don't know, man, 267 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 3: I really don't. I mean I I historically we've just 268 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 3: we see the pattern play out over and over and 269 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 3: over again, and we just absolutely, you know, unfortunately, because 270 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 3: all of the power is concentrated at the top, just 271 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 3: are learning zero lessons. 272 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 2: And that's really frustrating from just. 273 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 3: The way that the way this campaign happened, the lack 274 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 3: of a primary. 275 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 2: There's just I think that's the thing. 276 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 3: It's like so right now being in this moment, because 277 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 3: it's just like right after like just being in a 278 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 3: car accident and like you're just kind of peeling your 279 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 3: face off the air bag. For anybody who's unfortunately been 280 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 3: in an air like a car accident like that, it's 281 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 3: fucking disorienting, you know, you're like, fuck, and right now 282 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 3: all these things are like rushing through in my head 283 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 3: of all the different ways that these little blunders were 284 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 3: adding up to something like this. I just hope that, 285 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 3: you know, like in a just world, this would be 286 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 3: the end of the Democratic Party in this current incarnation. 287 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 3: But I think we have to also be really real 288 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 3: about the fact that the current that this party will 289 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 3: not really change in terms of being able to move 290 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 3: beyond the worship of capital and making line go up. 291 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: And you know, but it's a massive, extremely well funded, 292 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 1: extremely sophisticated machine designed to convert you know, our impulses 293 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: for change and progressive ideals and progressive movement into like 294 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: you know, market based Yeah, yeah, political movement, and that 295 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: that's what it does. That's that is kind of its whole, 296 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: Like if you look back on it over the past, 297 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: you know, twenty years, that is really what it is 298 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: designed to do. 299 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's That's just a moment for I 300 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 3: think for a long time, you know, like we're always 301 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 3: like demanding better. You know, it's like they can do better, 302 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 3: they can do better, and they can, but intellectually and 303 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 3: the way the the ideology of the party works, it's 304 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 3: incapable of it congesture to it can do things like incrementally, 305 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 3: but not in the truly meaningful way. And I think 306 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 3: the only hope, the other hope that I can hold 307 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 3: out for is a like you know, we were talking 308 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 3: and with crafton talking about the passing of time and 309 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 3: finding old civil War rifles in a river. Is that 310 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 3: things are things are always in flux. So yeah, this 311 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 3: this era of American politics is fully shifting into something 312 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,239 Speaker 3: different now, or at least the more aggressive form of 313 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 3: being like total mask off, like y'all are on your 314 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 3: own kind of shit. But there, but there, there is 315 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 3: going to be an opportunity for people with actual convictions 316 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 3: to hopefully fill in just to sort of recapture what 317 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 3: people can believe in two. I don't think that's gonna 318 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 3: happen now. But there's the bottom line is I think 319 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,479 Speaker 3: too many people feel completely cut out of a normal life, 320 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 3: and because because of that, there's just resentment going in 321 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:22,959 Speaker 3: so many different directions. And yeah, holding onto the message 322 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 3: of just saying like we're gonna give you this the 323 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 3: same thing, but maybe with a few more celebrity endorsements. 324 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 2: It's just not enough. It's not enough. It's not enough. Yeah, 325 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 2: I don't know what else. I don't I really don't 326 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 2: want to say. I'm kind of like just cooked, dude. 327 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm so sorry, y'all, it's. 328 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 3: It's just I also just I just honestly I feel 329 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 3: really fucking awful too, for just for for like a 330 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 3: fleeting moment being like oh yeah, this this this maybe 331 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 3: maybe this isn't where things are headed, when like, deep down, 332 00:20:59,119 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 3: like I could just. 333 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 2: I'm like, this is so bad. 334 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 3: You're not giving people anything, You're not talking to people 335 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 3: where they're at, you're not acknowledging their suffering. And yeah, 336 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 3: absolutely it's yeah, I feel I feel terrible. 337 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: I feel like I fucked up. I got caught up 338 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: in you know, pulling and bullshit like that, and just 339 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: you know, hope that this would somehow like stave off 340 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: the full right. 341 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 3: Because I think at the end because at the end 342 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 3: of the day, like I mean, the pattern was always 343 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 3: going to be if material conditions aren't being improved for people, 344 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 3: they are going to begin to open up to alternative 345 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 3: forms of governance, whatever that is good or bad, because again, 346 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 3: what is on offer is not doing it. So like 347 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 3: knowing that deep down, it's just like I think it's 348 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 3: also because you just want to you just be like, fuck, dude, 349 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 3: I know, like what the this world is so fucking unfair, 350 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 3: but that but again, the levees were going to have 351 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 3: to break at some point, and I think this is 352 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 3: how it's doing it. I think all all of like 353 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 3: the finger pointing I'm seeing like in certain op eds 354 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 3: and like on online, are not really helpful at the 355 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 3: moment because I think the larger picture, it's not like, 356 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 3: well what if so and so did better or whatever. 357 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 3: I mean, like, I'm sure we can we'll be able 358 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 3: to talk about that a lot more like once you 359 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 3: fully like dive into the data. But I think at 360 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 3: the end of the day, what the biggest issue was 361 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 3: is that the status quo is absolutely fucking killing people, 362 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 3: not just here but abroad. Yeah, And the answer to 363 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 3: that as an electoral strategy was to just keep insisting 364 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 3: on it was an absolute blunder. But I think for 365 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 3: the consultants that were running Joe Biden's campaign and then 366 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,239 Speaker 3: took over Kama's campaign, they just felt because of their 367 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 3: such their utter disconnection from what what actual people are feeling. 368 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 3: They're like, no, man, just fucking get We'll say some 369 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 3: cool stuff, We'll get some really cool, glitzy public appearances 370 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 3: and things like that, and and and and just we'll 371 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 3: just gesture. 372 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 2: To the fact that we're not these people. And that's 373 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 2: just not enough. 374 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 3: So, yeah, I'm curious to see what, you know, how 375 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 3: the establishment Democrats reckon with this because I'm I don't 376 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 3: know if they're gonna keep blaming other people, uh yeah, 377 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 3: because I mean I would be I would be shocked 378 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 3: if they were, like, we just really need to meet 379 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 3: people where they're at. I mean, like the thing I'm 380 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 3: seeing from more people is like talk about like we 381 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 3: need our own Prager University, we need our own daily 382 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 3: Wise Like I mean, you guys think this is this 383 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 3: kind of already exists and the form of like mainstream media. 384 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: But yeah, it rejects yeah, certain things, so like it's 385 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: I do feel like the mainstream media is just the 386 00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: like doing kind of the same thing that the Democratic isn't, 387 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 1: taking those ideals and then converting them into market you know, 388 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: pro market capitalism, and they're like they are playing and 389 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: buying into that same game of you know, politics is 390 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: convincing people you're going to do what they want you 391 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: to do and then like ultimately doing whatever's best for 392 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: the market. Like that that assumption is just like built in, 393 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 1: and I just yeah, there has to be consistency and 394 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: convictions and yeah, maybe a primary will it will help. 395 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: Maybe actually, you know, having a Democratic primary next time 396 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: will help and will reveal some candidate one of the 397 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: effective things I saw in the mainstream media that did 398 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 1: stick with me was actually, I think it was John 399 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: Stewart just showing people's reactions to each of the losses, 400 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 1: like both Democrat and Republican, and like they were always 401 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: like coming up with some solution like sort of. The 402 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 1: mainstream response was like, well, now the Republican Party will 403 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: need to be like a softer, gentler Republican Party ahead 404 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 1: of like the rise of trump Ism, and you know, 405 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: now the Democratic Party will have to like move towards 406 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: the Republican Party. And it's never it's never right the 407 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 1: message that people have in the offing, and usually the 408 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: way that their conventional political strategist wisdom gets upset is 409 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 1: by a candidate coming out of the woodwork, you know, 410 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: Obama or Trump or someone like that and not being 411 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 1: what people expected, at least on the surface. So maybe 412 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 1: a primary will reveal somebody who is able to you know, 413 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 1: have consistency and convictions. But right now it just feels 414 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: like really hard to imagine a version of the Democratic 415 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: Party that is not because it's just so wild that 416 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: after twenty sixteen, the lessons were so profoundly unlearned. Yeah, 417 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: I know, I came back and did the same fucking 418 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: thing twenty four and then they just lost the need 419 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 1: it exact same way got. 420 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 2: Through by the fucking film on their dentures in twenty 421 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 2: twenty and were like, yeah, fuck yeah, that worked. That worked. 422 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 2: That worked. 423 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 3: And when you look at like the number of registered 424 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 3: Republicans that got picked off, it was like six percent 425 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 3: went Biden's way in twenty twenty, like five percent went that. 426 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 3: All that work for fucking five percent, Yeah, and that's it. 427 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: They lost. They they won fewer, a smaller percentage of 428 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: the Republican vote after focusing their entire closing message on 429 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: courting Republican voters with like Dick and Liz Cheney. The 430 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 1: Trump campaign's research, like The New York Times, wrote an 431 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: article about like the closing messaging from both of the campaigns. 432 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 1: The Trump campaign's research found that Up for Grabs voters 433 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: were about six times as likely as other battleground state 434 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: voters to be motivated by their views of Israel's war 435 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: in Gaza, and changed their messaging to you know, make 436 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: empty gestures at that at being like anti war. Obviously 437 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: they're not going to be an anti war administration, but 438 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: like they at least were willing to acknowledge that and 439 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: change that messaging. Yeah, but yeah, the the trying to 440 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: run right didn't work, didn't work. They lost with everybody 441 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: who makes less than one hundred thousand dollars. They gained 442 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 1: with people who make over one hundred thousand dollars a year, 443 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 1: and lost ground with people who make less than that. 444 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, and yeah, I guess and numerically guess who there's 445 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 3: more of. 446 00:27:58,400 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I. 447 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 3: Just I think again, the one thing I think, I 448 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 3: think for everybody listening like this feels. 449 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:05,719 Speaker 2: Shitty, it is shitty. 450 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 3: It's perfectly okay to like grieve whatever sort of future 451 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 3: you thought may have been coming. But I think on 452 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 3: the other side of that for those of us who 453 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 3: are really engaged and have empathy, but the real challenge 454 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,719 Speaker 3: is now going to be that, like our challenge is 455 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 3: going to be in how we are able to protect 456 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 3: each other, how we can really again, the things that 457 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 3: we're fucking this country up. We're not going to be 458 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 3: solved in a presidential election given what was on offer, 459 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 3: But there's a lot to be done in your immediate 460 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 3: community and what you are in control of around you locally, 461 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 3: and that's I think the place to really pour the 462 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 3: energy into because people, it's the people that are around 463 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 3: you that are going to need, like we are going 464 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 3: to need each other the most, and I think that's 465 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 3: what we have to open ourselves up to, truly, is 466 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 3: to step up that challenge to really, really really be 467 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 3: committed to that, because that's how that's the only way 468 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 3: we're going to kind of be able to weather whatever 469 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 3: storm is coming our way and the only way we 470 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 3: can really feel good about it. So I don't, I know, 471 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 3: it feels like absolute shit right now, and that's okay 472 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 3: because it's it totally fucking It's terrible to like watch 473 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 3: a thing happen where you're like, I think this. 474 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 2: Is a car crash in slow motion. 475 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 3: And I'm not the greatest thinker here, but I feel 476 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 3: like this is a misstep, and watch that happen. 477 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 2: It's terrible. 478 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 3: It's difficult, and to see people emboldened on the right, 479 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 3: it's awful. 480 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 2: And it feels like the. 481 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 3: Country fucking hates you, especially for marginalized people. You're like, maybe, 482 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 3: you know, maybe maybe they do give a fuck about 483 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 3: what these kinds of outcomes are. And I think rather 484 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 3: than looking at it that way, we just have to 485 00:29:55,040 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 3: understand that there are most people do want to the 486 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 3: best for like their neighbors, and I think we have 487 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 3: to really like pour into that because I think again, 488 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 3: hitching our wagon to the star of electoral politics is 489 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 3: very difficult and as we've seen and just bring utter disappointments. 490 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 3: So I think, yeah, yeah, definitely the process is in order, 491 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 3: and then we need to get to work and yeah, 492 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 3: helping each other at like a local level, and that. 493 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: Waiting for the Democratic Party to figure out things that 494 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: they are designed not to figure out. It turns out, 495 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: all right, We'll leave it there. We'll be back tomorrow 496 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: with the whole lest episode of the show. Until then, 497 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: be kind to each other, be kind to yourself. Get 498 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: the vaccine, Jesus. The healthcare thing was like the fifth 499 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: thing that, like RFK, is going to have a major 500 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: role in the future the healthcare of this country. Get 501 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: your flu shots, get your vaccines, don't do nothing about 502 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: white supremacy, and we'll talk to you all tomorrow. Bye bye.