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Speaker 2: It is time for a standalone feature we call Sharper Square.
Speaker 2: Chad Millman co host of the Favorites. All odds provided
Speaker 2: by DraftKings. We all try to get smarter on this,
Speaker 2: and I take as is customary. I take Thanksgiving off.
Speaker 2: It's a short week. It's weird. I tend to like
Speaker 2: favorites in those big spots. Although the Bears should have
Speaker 2: beaten the Lions. You never know what's going to happen
Speaker 2: this week. It's interesting. So last week I would have
Speaker 2: bet a lot of underdogs. This week a lot. I
Speaker 2: like a lot of favorites. Don't give you an example.
Speaker 1: Is I.
Speaker 2: Really like the Bills minus at one point four now
Speaker 2: minus three and a half at the Rams. Matt Stafford's
Speaker 2: beat up Buffalo is getting healthier on defense. Buffalo is
Speaker 2: a really good team. They have two things now that travel.
Speaker 2: One of them is a run game, which is why
Speaker 2: they used to be. If you watch Buffalo through the years,
Speaker 2: they were a little hot and cold when they got
Speaker 2: out of their element because they didn't have a run game.
Speaker 2: Defences and run games travel. This has become a very
Speaker 2: consistent team. The Rams, meanwhile, have not run as well
Speaker 2: because of some online injuries, and they're wildly half to
Speaker 2: half inconsistent. I like the Bills minus four or three
Speaker 2: and a half sharper square.
Speaker 1: Colin, this is why the Favorites is on the Volume
Speaker 1: podcast network. You just summarized exactly what Simon and I
Speaker 1: have been saying about this game in our shows this week,
Speaker 1: and we surprised ourselves. You said couple things about favorites.
Speaker 1: We like a lot of favorites this week, yea, and
Speaker 1: we loved underdogs last week, and it's surprising us that
Speaker 1: the Bills are one of those teams. The Bill's number
Speaker 1: has been bouncing four to three and a half, four
Speaker 1: to three and a half. At four, the wise guys
Speaker 1: are generally buying the Rams. At three and a half,
Speaker 1: they're taking the Bills again. But you could also just
Speaker 1: as easily find people in professional ranks who like the
Speaker 1: Bills at minus four. I can't add anything to the
Speaker 1: analysis you just said. It's exactly why there is a
Speaker 1: consistency to this team that hasn't been there in the past.
Speaker 1: The run game is dominant, The Rams rush defense is
Speaker 1: not very good. The Rams are not just inconsistent half
Speaker 1: to half, they're inconsistent series to series. You can see
Speaker 1: it against the Saints. You saw it the week before
Speaker 1: where they barely beat the Patriots like they have a
Speaker 1: couple great series and then they disappear for full quarters
Speaker 1: of the game. Last week it's the Saint They can
Speaker 1: score in the first half. So your handicap is exactly
Speaker 1: exactly right. The one thing that is worrying professional betters
Speaker 1: here is the Bills just beat the Chiefs, then they
Speaker 1: just beat the Niners, and out of this they got
Speaker 1: to go play the Steelers like they're in a gauntlet
Speaker 1: right now. This is a classic letdown spot. I don't
Speaker 1: think that'll be the case because I do think that
Speaker 1: what you just said about running game and defense travels.
Speaker 1: I'm a big believer in he who owns the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage owns the spread. So I'm giving you a
Speaker 1: seventy five percent sharp, not ginz you knife sharp, but sharp.
Speaker 2: Here's another favorite I like. So I think this is
Speaker 2: one of the biggest coaching mismatches of the week. Miami
Speaker 2: minus five and a half against the Jets. When Robert
Speaker 2: Sala left the building, they lost their only elite football coach.
Speaker 2: It is a bad staff. It is a quarterback that
Speaker 2: has not regressed to Kirk Cousins level last week, but
Speaker 2: has regressed Aaron is not a top fifteen quarterback. Miami
Speaker 2: has to win. They're at home. I think it's an
Speaker 2: excellent coaching staff with some limitations. North with you get
Speaker 2: Tua back home five and a half. If you told
Speaker 2: me one game's a blowout this week, I mean I'm watching.
Speaker 2: I'm watching the Jets blow games to Denver and Seattle
Speaker 2: at home. Let's not forget what Miami is. North against
Speaker 2: green Bay short week that was one of the easy
Speaker 2: bets of the year. Come home, superior staff. I think
Speaker 2: they hammer the Jets sharper square.
Speaker 1: So it's square. But I'll tell you what you're right
Speaker 1: and like Miami is one of the biggest bets I've
Speaker 1: made this weekend. It's one of the biggest bets Simon
Speaker 1: has made this weekend. I can't understand the move on this.
Speaker 1: It's gone from seven to six and a half to six.
Speaker 1: In some places, you're saying five and a half, like
Speaker 1: it makes no sense. It makes no sense that professional
Speaker 1: money keeps coming in on the Jets, and it's been
Speaker 1: happening literally every single week. The last time the Jets
Speaker 1: were underdogs was Week six the Bills. They were one
Speaker 1: and a half point underdogs, and that line moved in
Speaker 1: their favor like if the game had been twenty four
Speaker 1: hours later, it might have been pick. And it's not
Speaker 1: like their favorites against bad teams. They were favorites against Houston,
Speaker 1: they were favorites against Arizona, they were favorites against Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: Like this is a bad team since Robert Sala was
Speaker 1: fired as coach thirty first in EPA for play Like
Speaker 1: they are a very very bad football team right now.
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is not mobile. And you're looking at a
Speaker 1: Dolphins team you just said with Tua when they're home
Speaker 1: and they're playing a bad team. So a team that
Speaker 1: has a winning percentage of two fifty or less, which
Speaker 1: is what the Jets have to seven and one against
Speaker 1: the spread in his career. This is not a team
Speaker 1: that underperforms against bad teams. This is when they actually
Speaker 1: do their best. So I'm with you, and like, all
Speaker 1: I would say is if you like the Dolphins, you
Speaker 1: might want a way to beat because as the line
Speaker 1: might continue to move, the Jets get big money every
Speaker 1: single Sunday. It is astonishing. I don't understand it.
Speaker 2: Let me throw you another favorite Kansas City at home
Speaker 2: minus four against the Chargers so there are certain teams
Speaker 2: that match up with Kansas City teams that can beat
Speaker 2: them down the field. Denver, for instance, Mims Courtland Sutton
Speaker 2: can force them to be more honest. Okay, the Chargers
Speaker 2: lack playmakers and now the ones they have are Hurt
Speaker 2: Lad mcconkey's hurt JK. Dopp. There is no pop and
Speaker 2: that allows Spags to be even more aggressive when you
Speaker 2: play a Buffalo. I think Denver's one of these teams
Speaker 2: that I don't think we get how good they are.
Speaker 2: They can really punish you down the field. The Chargers can't.
Speaker 2: This is a bad spot for a dinged up Chargers team.
Speaker 2: Kansas City minus four is my second third favorite pick
Speaker 2: of the weekend.
Speaker 1: Sharper Square totally sharp and it's rare that the wise
Speaker 1: guys would come in on Kansas City as a plus
Speaker 1: a field go favorite in the division against a team
Speaker 1: like the Chargers, which historically you get a team like
Speaker 1: the Chargers. They're physical at the line of scrimmage, they
Speaker 1: have a really good coach, the quarterback doesn't make mistakes.
Speaker 1: That's what you want to bet on if you're a professional.
Speaker 1: Better against a very public team like the Kansas City
Speaker 1: Chiefs when Patrick Mahomes in his career as a favorite
Speaker 1: of three or more is historically under five hundred against
Speaker 1: the spread about forty five forty six percent. But what's
Speaker 1: happening here is exactly what you said. Ever since JK.
Speaker 1: Dobbins went out against the Ravens at the end of
Speaker 1: that first half, the Chargers have not been able to
Speaker 1: move the ball. Justin Herbert had been using play action
Speaker 1: considerably more since he came back from the by and
Speaker 1: his high ankle spray had improved. That's because JK. Dobbins
Speaker 1: was in the backfield. He was able to pull linebackers up.
Speaker 1: He was able to get more throwing windows, specifically to
Speaker 1: Lad McConkie to Will Disley. Right JK Dobbins goes out,
Speaker 1: they lose all downfield passing ability against the Ravens, and
Speaker 1: then last week they only had fifty six yard rushing
Speaker 1: yards rushing against the Falcons in a game that they
Speaker 1: easily could have lost if Kirk Cousins wasn't doing his
Speaker 1: own Southern version of Aaron Rodgers. So it's a real
Speaker 1: tricky spot for them. JK. Dobbins still out. Lad McConkie
Speaker 1: limited in practice this week with continuing shoulder injury and
Speaker 1: now a new injury to his knee. I agree with you.
Speaker 1: The wise guys agree with you. The Chiefs. Meanwhile, they
Speaker 1: may start DJ Humphries, which would be an incredible improvement
Speaker 1: at left tackle. They had three guys on the injury
Speaker 1: report coming out of Wednesday. All of them were full
Speaker 1: participants in practice. They had a little bit of a
Speaker 1: mini buy. I think they'll recognize that they've been plateauing
Speaker 1: a little bit and get an opportunity to get healthy.
Speaker 1: The wise guys agree with you very sharp.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna give you one more favorite, and they'll
Speaker 2: go into some underdogs. So the Raiders played ten rookies.
Speaker 2: They're beat up and they're just playing kids, and they
Speaker 2: play hard, but disappointing loss after disappointing loss. Tampa meanwhile
Speaker 2: played poorly and won. I love teams that play poorly
Speaker 2: and win the following week. Sean Payton Ellis told me,
Speaker 2: it's always the best week of practice. You can dog
Speaker 2: cuss them all week, but they're happy because they won.
Speaker 2: Tampa's good team. Jason Light's always been able to stack
Speaker 2: this roster. Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold. We have to
Speaker 2: be honest. Now they can play when you give them
Speaker 2: the right coach. It can be a Liam Cohen, it
Speaker 2: can be a Kevin O'Connell. Guys can sling it. They're good.
Speaker 2: Tampa is playing. They have to beat Atlanta outright, because
Speaker 2: Atlanta beat them twice. So these are playoff games for Tampa.
Speaker 2: The Raiders are playing kids. They're sitting there, Antonio Pearson,
Speaker 2: Tom Telesco, They're looking at film. They're trying to judge.
Speaker 2: They're already on the next year. I know a six
Speaker 2: and a half, but I like the Bucks sharper square, So.
Speaker 1: It's square but square. Because of the number, it moved
Speaker 1: from seven to six and a half, I think the
Speaker 1: wise guys continue to want to play the Raiders when
Speaker 1: it's a big number. They feel like the Bucks will
Speaker 1: continue to let teams that aren't as good stay in it. Baker,
Speaker 1: as much as he's balling out and I think has
Speaker 1: earned a lot of respect from fans, from media, from
Speaker 1: his teammates, he's still prone to make mistakes. We saw
Speaker 1: it against the Panthers, two critical interceptions. So this is
Speaker 1: really about the number. It's not about anything on the field.
Speaker 1: They're just looking at it and saying seven fields like
Speaker 1: inflation for the Bucks.
Speaker 2: I'd like to say I like this underdog. I really don't,
Speaker 2: but it's screaming at me. So I think the Steelers
Speaker 2: are going to beat the Browns, but I don't think
Speaker 2: Jamis Winston is going to have another two pick six game.
Speaker 2: And frankly, in a division rivalry, Cleveland matches up with Pittsburgh. Hell,
Speaker 2: they matched up and had Denver I thought beat. I
Speaker 2: think Cleveland's got a good roster and a really good coach.
Speaker 2: Six and a half seems to me the number should
Speaker 2: be three and a half, four and a half. I'm
Speaker 2: going to take Cleveland plus six and a half. Sharper square,
Speaker 2: totally sharp. This shouldn't even be a question. Everything that
Speaker 2: you're sort of half in on is one hundred percent right.
Speaker 1: Number one. This is a division game in the AFC North.
Speaker 1: These games always tend to be closer than what this
Speaker 1: spread should be and favor the underdog. Also Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin as an underdog is brilliant. It is a
Speaker 1: raw rab Mike Tomlin spot when he is on the
Speaker 1: road as an underdog, when he is at home as
Speaker 1: an underdog, he is the most profitable coach as an
Speaker 1: underdog this generation the past twenty years, often winning times
Speaker 1: straight up. Forget about just covering the spread. As great
Speaker 1: as he is as an underdog is as ineffective he
Speaker 1: is as a favorite. Now he's a six and a
Speaker 1: half point favorite. We're talking about forty five percent against
Speaker 1: the spread in similar scenarios throughout his career. And look,
Speaker 1: Jamis is one of those guys. Last week I loved
Speaker 1: the Broncos because Jamis was so good the week before.
Speaker 1: I tend to want to fade Jamis after he's been great.
Speaker 1: And while it took two pick sixes and an interception
Speaker 1: in the end zone to get there, what we expected
Speaker 1: to happen with Jamis is exactly what happened when Jamis
Speaker 1: is off of a loss, that is when he is
Speaker 1: great against the spread. And I do think that there
Speaker 1: has to be some kind of aggression on Russell Wilson's
Speaker 1: ability to throw these moonballs and consistently have them caught
Speaker 1: in crazy, crazy circumstances. So the wise guys are with
Speaker 1: you take the Browns plus six and a half.
Speaker 2: So a game, there's a game every week. I say, hey,
Speaker 2: I just want to ask you about and I look
Speaker 2: at the Falcons plus six Minnesota, Kirk Cousins was he
Speaker 2: looked like if Justin Verlander threw an eighty one mom
Speaker 2: hour fastball. What am I watching? Is it an injury
Speaker 2: in the last two weeks. Something's off. So older players
Speaker 2: get hurt more. They play with pride and play through injuries.
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers' stories, You've heard about Kirk Cousins. This is
Speaker 2: just screaming take the Vikings. But again, Atlanta is playing
Speaker 2: to win the division. Kirk Cousins can't play like that. Again,
Speaker 2: the protection will be good. Kirk can handle Brian Flores coverages.
Speaker 2: He's seen everything. Tell me where I'm supposed to go
Speaker 2: with that number, Minnesota.
Speaker 1: This number has been moving up. The only concern you
Speaker 1: should have is that you're not getting the best of
Speaker 1: the number. Because it opened at five, it went to
Speaker 1: five and a half streaming towards six. I disagree that
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins can handle what Brian Flores is going to
Speaker 1: throw at him. Brian Flora's defense is exactly what troubles
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins against pressure. He has the most turnover worthy
Speaker 1: throws in the NFL this year. And don't forget this
Speaker 1: Vikings defense is incredible against the run. They're incredible against
Speaker 1: the run outside the tackles, They're incredible against the run
Speaker 1: inside the tackles. They are really efficient in stopping the run.
Speaker 1: The strength of the Falcons right now, it's Bjon Robinson right.
Speaker 1: Nobody can figure out what to do with Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 1: The next coach, coordinator, quarterback who can figure out what
Speaker 1: to do with Kyle Pitts could end up going to
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame because all we ever hear about
Speaker 1: is Kyle Pitts is the weapon who can unlock the
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons offense and nobody has been able to figure
Speaker 1: out how to do it. And Kirk Cousins since that
Speaker 1: streaky start seventeen touchdowns, seven interceptions to start the year,
Speaker 1: the past three games since they started six and three,
Speaker 1: zero touchdown passes, six interceptions, seven sacks, And let's not
Speaker 1: forget he had nearly eight hundred yards and eight touchdowns
Speaker 1: in two of those first nine games against the tenth
Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers. So let's not sort of, let's not confuse
Speaker 1: ourselves into believing that Kirk Cousins is just having a
Speaker 1: little bit of a bad rough patch right now, he's
Speaker 1: just I'm not mobile, and he's not playing well, and
Speaker 1: he's had two good games that have made the numbers
Speaker 1: look really good. So the wise guys like Minnesota here.
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Speaker 2: All right, a little shift up. I'm I want to
Speaker 2: talk one college game. So these are my instincts. This
Speaker 2: is my favorite college bat of the weekend. Georgia plays Texas.
Speaker 2: I like the over. Here's why Georgia played an eight
Speaker 2: overtime game. Okay, that doesn't affect the offense. Carson Beck's
Speaker 2: had three straight games, eleven touchdowns, no picks. He's fine.
Speaker 2: It decimates a defense. You play an extra twenty eight snaps.
Speaker 2: Georgia looked tired last week against Georgia Tech. They're going
Speaker 2: to be banged up. Also, Texas got humiliated up front
Speaker 2: offensively in Austin. They have something to prove. They also
Speaker 2: played their worst offensive game of the year last week
Speaker 2: against Texas A and M, so Texas is going to
Speaker 2: play inspired offensive football. Georgia's defense is done, but their
Speaker 2: offense is still. You know, these are the two best
Speaker 2: quarterbacks in the SEC, Carson Beck and Quinn Ewers in
Speaker 2: terms of like efficiency. I love the over in this game.
Speaker 2: I think it actually ends up being a kind of
Speaker 2: just a wild shootout with a Georgia defense that just
Speaker 2: is out of gas. The over underlying DraftKings. I don't
Speaker 2: know what it is exactly right now. If you find it,
Speaker 2: you can tell me. But that's my favorite college bet
Speaker 2: in weeks.
Speaker 1: It's interesting. Chris Long, who has a brilliant podcast, the
Speaker 1: green Light Podcast. He makes great points about the challenge
Speaker 1: of overtime on an NFL player, and that literally every
Speaker 1: hour of recovery matters when you are playing in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And if you got the four pm game and it
Speaker 1: ends at eight because your game went into overtime, that's
Speaker 1: a real impact on your body and your ability to recover.
Speaker 1: I know the game for Georgia and Georgia Tech was
Speaker 1: on Friday night, but I'm not discounting the impact of
Speaker 1: an overtime game like that because I do think that
Speaker 1: it's really really hard on the body, and I do
Speaker 1: think these offenses are both primed to blow up, So
Speaker 1: don't I don't hate your pick and a half.
Speaker 2: Forty nine and a half. That is not a big number, not.
Speaker 1: A big number at all. Like I was looking it
Speaker 1: up as you were looking up as well when you
Speaker 1: were talking about it, I didn't have it at the
Speaker 1: top of my head. In my head it was fifty one.
Speaker 1: So just thinking about these teams, forty nine and a
Speaker 1: half feels a little bit low. Now I'm looking in
Speaker 1: the app and I'm seeing do I have any total
Speaker 1: picks right now? I don't. Uh no, pit wait, let's
Speaker 1: see one thing here. You know what I got. I
Speaker 1: got one under And that said so far from sort
Speaker 1: of the experts.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's be different.
Speaker 1: Let's be different and take the over.
Speaker 2: The you know what's funny about college football. So I
Speaker 2: had Notre Dame to cover. I had Oregon to cover.
Speaker 2: I had Ohio State to cover. You know, it's funny,
Speaker 2: and I've lived off this my entire career. New information,
Speaker 2: new opinion. I don't think it's flip flopping. I always say,
Speaker 2: if you were getting on a flow and the pilot said, listen,
Speaker 2: we've had a weather change. But instead of a new
Speaker 2: flight plan, I'm gonna fly right into the lightning storm,
Speaker 2: you'd be like, that's not smart, right, Like I don't
Speaker 2: understand like bloggers or media critics who are like you
Speaker 2: changed your mind every day of my life. I changed
Speaker 2: my mind because I'm curious and I seek new information.
Speaker 2: I sell stocks regularly new information. So it's funny about
Speaker 2: Ohio State. I said, I always had Ryan Day as
Speaker 2: a coach that could win a national championship, but that
Speaker 2: coaching was so weird that I have eliminated him from
Speaker 2: that category, where now I have like Lane Kiffin, Sark,
Speaker 2: Kaylin de boor Dan Lanning. You know guys I think
Speaker 2: can win a national championship, they just haven't yet. They're
Speaker 2: good coaches. I had Ryan Dan that Now I think
Speaker 2: to myself, okay, that's that's hyperbolic, that's overreacting. But there
Speaker 2: are there are things you want. I always used the
Speaker 2: example when Randy Moss played for the Patriots and it
Speaker 2: had been a couple of years. One Monday night game
Speaker 2: against Miami, they literally didn't target him, and I said, oh,
Speaker 2: this is his last game as Patriot. And I went
Speaker 2: on the next day and said, people are like, you're overreacting.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you do not target Randy Moss once in
Speaker 2: a football game with Tom Brady. Somebody's pissed off, somebody
Speaker 2: got he was probably close to a DNP. Something's going well.
Speaker 2: Sure enough he moved. Watching that game was so seismic
Speaker 2: to me. I'm like, I I thought Ryan Day was
Speaker 2: coaching to prove a point. That was as bad a
Speaker 2: coaching as I've ever seen in a big spot.
Speaker 1: You nailed it. You and I had this conversation before
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving about Ryan Day and about the pressure he is
Speaker 1: under and how there's not a single coach in the
Speaker 1: playoff who, unless they win the National Championship, wouldn't be
Speaker 1: back next year. Only Ryan Day has that kind of pressure.
Speaker 1: He has not been coaching well in big games his
Speaker 1: entire career, four straight losses to Michigan, and this game
Speaker 1: exactly what you just said. I think is true. It
Speaker 1: felt like he was coaching. And again, he doesn't call
Speaker 1: the plays, it's Chip Kelly calling the plays. But the
Speaker 1: way the team performed, it felt like he was trying
Speaker 1: to prove they're super strong, they're super physical, They're going
Speaker 1: to punch him in the mouth, and all the aggression
Speaker 1: he's been feeling for years is coming out in that game.
Speaker 1: And then at the end, his team is getting into
Speaker 1: a fistfight with the Michigan team and he's standing there
Speaker 1: and just asking what's happening, what's going on? Like it's
Speaker 1: just I can't imagine he's back in Ohio State next year.
Speaker 1: And I know I don't like talking about people's jobs.
Speaker 1: Nobody does. But he has not performed at the level
Speaker 1: of expectation.
Speaker 2: If he'd great, if he lost to Josh Heipel in
Speaker 2: the first round, I think he'd be in big trouble.
Speaker 1: I think if he doesn't win a national title, he's
Speaker 1: in big trouble. Look, Colin, they spend twenty million dollars,
Speaker 1: They got Jim Knowles, who's a legendary defensive coordinator. They
Speaker 1: got Chip Kelly, who revolutionized the game. They can go
Speaker 1: into the portal get anybody they want. They can recruit
Speaker 1: anybody they want. They've lost two games this year, the
Speaker 1: first game of the year that they had six months
Speaker 1: to prepare for, and they got railroaded, and they got
Speaker 1: beat up in a fistfight with a team that is
Speaker 1: incredibly overmatched in terms of talent, and they lost at
Speaker 1: home to the to a team that they had been
Speaker 1: thinking about beating for three hundred and sixty four days.
Speaker 1: You can't keep that guy if he doesn't win a
Speaker 1: national title.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would, but I think him in the minority.
Speaker 2: I think if he lost to Tennessee, I'd struggle. But
Speaker 2: if I think if he won a couple of games
Speaker 2: and let's say lost to Texas in you know, the
Speaker 2: final four in overtime, I'd be like, okay, Texas. I mean,
Speaker 2: the only two teams I've seen. I think we don't
Speaker 2: have a great team in college football. But I thought
Speaker 2: before last weekend Texas and Oregon were really good, and
Speaker 2: so is Ohio State. Those are really good teams. Very
Speaker 2: rarely in college football do you get a great team.
Speaker 2: The Joe Burrow team with you know, justin Jefferson jamar
Speaker 2: Ch that's a great team. The Reggie Bush teams a
Speaker 2: couple of those were insane. Miami had a team at
Speaker 2: the end of the Butch Davis run. They had like
Speaker 2: twenty two NFL guys, the Lawrence Phillips Tommy Fraser Nebraska team,
Speaker 2: the seventy two USC Trojans. You get these teams that
Speaker 2: are like, oh god, you know this. This is a
Speaker 2: year full of good to very good teams. But people
Speaker 2: forget this too. I mean, Ohio State struggled at Penn State.
Speaker 2: That was a clunky win. It was an inartistic clunky
Speaker 2: win there and I and maybe a Penn State will
Speaker 2: prove me wrong, but I think Oregon beats on this weekend,
Speaker 2: so I I listen. Here's all you need to know
Speaker 2: about coaching is a team overperforming or underperforming. Ohio State
Speaker 2: has underperformed as much as any big name program this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everything you just said says to me you think
Speaker 1: he shouldn't come back unless he went to the national title.
Speaker 1: I feel like you're.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't being soft all of a sudden, there's
Speaker 2: no great coach in the offing. There is. I mean,
Speaker 2: Urban Meyer would be my choice. I don't think he'll
Speaker 2: come back. I the first thing I asked, I don't
Speaker 2: care if it's the volume, I don't care if it's
Speaker 2: as an athletic director. The first thing is, well, what's
Speaker 2: what's the hiring market? Like? I don't like making moves
Speaker 2: like I even even you know, I've dinked around with
Speaker 2: real estate and you know, always calls me like I'm
Speaker 2: the circler. I'll circle something for you. I'll drive by
Speaker 2: the property in the morning, I'll drive by at night,
Speaker 2: I'll drive by on the weekends. I'll circle. I'm somebody
Speaker 2: that's I wouldn't say cautious, but I tend to circle
Speaker 2: stuff before I do it. So the first thing I
Speaker 2: would do if I'm the athletic director is all right,
Speaker 2: what's the market like? And some years you get Brian
Speaker 2: Kelly's available and you're like, you know, there are years
Speaker 2: like last year in the NFL, there was one good
Speaker 2: NFL opening, the Chargers because of Justin Herbert. They had
Speaker 2: a left tackle, they had a quarterback, they had a
Speaker 2: Bosa rushing off the edge, they had a great safety.
Speaker 2: You're like, that's a pretty good job. And it's in LA, right,
Speaker 2: you can get free agents. But like this year in
Speaker 2: the NFL, Chicago's the best job mccaskey's are the poorest
Speaker 2: owners own it since the twenties. I'm not sure if
Speaker 2: Kevin Warren at president is the right guy. We don't
Speaker 2: know much about Ryan Poles, like that's the best job.
Speaker 2: So there's not a lot of great job openings and
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of great candidates, and so to me,
Speaker 2: it's like I would keep Ryan Day and I would
Speaker 2: just keep my eye out if he you know, I
Speaker 2: would say this, I'm on warning now we're going into
Speaker 2: a season I have been. I may have gone into
Speaker 2: this season thinking he's here forever. I go into next
Speaker 2: says and thinking stubs his toe, I'm gonna make calls.
Speaker 2: That's how I would do it.
Speaker 1: Ohio State is one of the two three best coaching jobs.
Speaker 2: Oh got in college football, right, yeah, Oh, absolutely right,
Speaker 2: top two.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You think if they got rid of Ryan Day,
Speaker 1: they couldn't pry one of the best coaches from another
Speaker 1: program away. Well, look at what Like, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that Washington was a top notch program, but Washington had
Speaker 1: been built quickly by Kaylin de Boor and they were
Speaker 1: International title game last year. Nick Saban unexpectedly retires. They
Speaker 1: got him immediately and so I don't believe that Ohio
Speaker 1: State would not fire Ryan Day just because they don't
Speaker 1: think they can find a candidate. They can get anybody
Speaker 1: they want. They might be able to go into the
Speaker 1: NFL and get a great candidate who is a top
Speaker 1: notch coach who's dreamed of coach. They could get Mike Rabel, right.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, not knowing the current candidate pool
Speaker 1: wouldn't stop me from doing it because Ohio State is
Speaker 1: such a good job. The candidate pool is everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Gruden may be toxic to NFL people, but he's
Speaker 2: not toxic in college football. I would call John Gruden
Speaker 2: tomorrow for the Ohio ESK job.
Speaker 1: And Gruden would crush that.
Speaker 2: Yes, that would be my choice because I you know,
Speaker 2: there's some I think he still has a lawsuit or
Speaker 2: something of the NFL and there's some toxicity there, but
Speaker 2: college doesn't care. What do they care?
Speaker 1: And he I mean, are you kidding me? A football
Speaker 1: guy like Gruden.
Speaker 2: And he's also a big personality.
Speaker 1: He'd be a great recruiter, great recruiter, great with boosters.
Speaker 1: Whatever ni OWL money they have would get bigger like.
Speaker 2: And he's also he you know, he likes personnel, like
Speaker 2: Andy Reid has no interest, but there are you know,
Speaker 2: McVeigh has interest. Sean Payton likes personnel, Jimmy Johnson did
Speaker 2: Gruden likes personnel. He enjoys the process of recruiting and
Speaker 2: judging players. So yeah, I mean that that would be
Speaker 2: my first choice. Urban's my first choice. But he's been
Speaker 2: there and he's got a job.
Speaker 1: I feel like you're coming around. I feel like you're
Speaker 1: coming around to the idea that there's there could be
Speaker 1: a candidate out there if Ohio State decided they wanted
Speaker 1: to go find a new coach.
Speaker 2: Chad Millman, Sharper Square, good talk to anybody.
Speaker 1: Good to see your brother.
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