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Speaker 1: documentary The Last Dance that lately we've been I guess
Speaker 1: stumbling upon this reoccurring theme. It's not easy being the goat.
Speaker 1: You look at Michael Jordan, GM Jerry Krauss broke up
Speaker 1: Jordan's Bulls, Tom Brady left the Patriots for the Buccaneers.
Speaker 1: He wanted to have fun again. And now we're seeing
Speaker 1: signs of turmoil in Green Bay with Aaron Rodgers. Now,
Speaker 1: not that Rogers is the goat, but widely viewed as
Speaker 1: maybe the most talented quarterback we've seen, not the greatest,
Speaker 1: but certainly one of the most talented of all time.
Speaker 1: People were shocked when the Packers took another quarterback, Jordan Love,
Speaker 1: and you took him in the first round, and you
Speaker 1: trade it up to get him, and you had other
Speaker 1: needs on this team. Now there's a couple of reports
Speaker 1: that head coach Matt Lafleur may have wanted to send
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers a message. It's hard to believe, but if
Speaker 1: we've learned anything in the off season, even this month,
Speaker 1: the best players aren't untouchable. The Bulls did it to
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, Brady and Belichick, and the Patriots, Joe Montana
Speaker 1: with the forty nine ers. You can run down the list.
Speaker 1: There are teams that say we're bigger than you. Not
Speaker 1: always the case, but we're certainly going to be watching
Speaker 1: the Packers' sideline this season with the Rogers, Lafloor dynamic
Speaker 1: Now keep this in mind. Last year in the offseason,
Speaker 1: what are we talking about? In August we talked about
Speaker 1: Rogers and la Fleur. We're here and there's some unrest.
Speaker 1: They're not clicking there. Then they go thirteen and three.
Speaker 1: I'm guessing the relationship was pretty good when they went
Speaker 1: thirteen and three. So you had the previous year. You
Speaker 1: know Rogers from former team, and he's not a leader,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden when you go thirteen
Speaker 1: and three, I'm guessing he's a good leader. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Here we are again, now we possibly have turmoil they
Speaker 1: want to send Okay, who is Matt Lafleur to send
Speaker 1: a freaking message to Aaron Rodgers. Maybe Rogers thinks he's
Speaker 1: bigger than what he is, and I'm guessing yeah, he
Speaker 1: probably does. But Matt Lafleur, if this is true, he
Speaker 1: wants to send a message to Aaron Rodgers. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I didn't I thought it was called the Lombardi Trophy,
Speaker 1: not the Lafloor Trophy. What are we what are we
Speaker 1: doing here? Going to send him a message by drafting
Speaker 1: a quarterback? Okay, if you want to send him a message,
Speaker 1: why didn't you send a message and not give him
Speaker 1: a hundred million dollars. You gave him a contract? Did
Speaker 1: it just sneak up on you in Green Bay? This
Speaker 1: is who Aaron is. He hasn't changed. This is his personality.
Speaker 1: He's not the easiest guy to be around. Now. I
Speaker 1: like him, I understand his personality. But I've been around him,
Speaker 1: played golf with him. I get it, and I'm not,
Speaker 1: you know, a sickophant where I'm going to stick up
Speaker 1: for Aaron Rodgers. At some point, Aaron Rodgers is probably
Speaker 1: going to say something about this, But I don't know
Speaker 1: what it's like inside that locker room. I do know
Speaker 1: that there have been players who have come forward to
Speaker 1: say Aaron is different, or it's all about Aaron. Hey,
Speaker 1: he's not a great leader. I get all of those things.
Speaker 1: But Matt Lafleur is not the guy sending him. And
Speaker 1: even the GM what has he done that says hey,
Speaker 1: we're gonna send a message to then don't bring him
Speaker 1: back in the first place? And are you going to
Speaker 1: try to be like the forty nine ers. So you
Speaker 1: use a draft pick on a quarterback in the first round,
Speaker 1: you draft a running back, you draft a fullback, last.
Speaker 1: I look, the Niners are still running on that defense.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna do something, maybe you bulk up the defense. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're not going to get him any wide receivers. We're
Speaker 1: gonna build our team in the form of the forty
Speaker 1: nine ers. So at least that's the feeling I get. Like, what,
Speaker 1: So you're gonna try to be like the Niners. You're
Speaker 1: not going to be the Niners. Like the Niners are
Speaker 1: this way because they don't have Aaron Rodgers. They got
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo. That's what That's why you have a running
Speaker 1: game when you don't the Colts had a good running game.
Speaker 1: Why they didn't trust Jacoby Brissett. It's maybe maybe this
Speaker 1: is nothing, Maybe this is nothing, but you know. Tom Silverstein,
Speaker 1: the Packers news reporter, he talked about this Brian Goodakoon's
Speaker 1: the GM Chip Lafleur's hand on what this season would
Speaker 1: look like. By drafting a running back a J. Dillon
Speaker 1: who I do like, and h back, they also drafted
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman, a couple of offensive linemen. The running
Speaker 1: game is going to be a big part of the
Speaker 1: offense like it is with the Niners or the Rams
Speaker 1: and last I looked, Kansas City Chiefs won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Bob McGinn, who's been around the Packers for decades and
Speaker 1: he writes for The Athletic. According to Bob McGinn of
Speaker 1: The Athletic, the Packers head coach Matt Lafleur has grown
Speaker 1: tired of Roger his act and passive aggressive style. How
Speaker 1: long has he been there public niceties aside my senses. Lafleur,
Speaker 1: fresh from a terrific thirteen and three baptismal season, simply
Speaker 1: had enough of Rogers act and wanted to change the narrative.
Speaker 1: I don't care how big of an ass my star
Speaker 1: player is. If I go thirteen and three and I'm
Speaker 1: in the NFC title game with first round talent on
Speaker 1: the rosters, the Packers would gain leverage with their imperial
Speaker 1: quarterback and his passive aggressive style. The report wrote. If
Speaker 1: the Packers do indeed want to become a running team
Speaker 1: next season, they surely wouldn't want Rogers rocking the boat
Speaker 1: and becoming even more difficult to code. Rogers, at age
Speaker 1: thirty six, is coming off a season where he threw
Speaker 1: for four thousand yards, He threw twenty six touchdowns, threw
Speaker 1: four interception. That's a bad year Farren Rodgers. That's it.
Speaker 1: That's one of his worst seasons ever. And maybe they
Speaker 1: look at this and go now. I said this all
Speaker 1: season long. I don't know how good they are, and
Speaker 1: even at thirteen and three, I didn't think they were
Speaker 1: thirteen and three team. But they won. I think they
Speaker 1: took advantage of some situations there. Look, they did what
Speaker 1: they were supposed to do. They got to the NFC
Speaker 1: title game. They were no match for the San Francisco
Speaker 1: forty nine ers. But instead of saying, let's counter what
Speaker 1: the Niners do, so well, if you think you're going
Speaker 1: to match up with them, and let's bulk up our defense,
Speaker 1: how about our our run defense. That would have been
Speaker 1: the approach I would have thought of. Jordan Love doesn't
Speaker 1: help you this year. So that's the message you're sending.
Speaker 1: You're gonna make sure that Aaron dudn't rock the boat.
Speaker 1: You're gonna draft Jordan Love, much to the detriment of
Speaker 1: the team the next two years. Aaron Rodgers, unless he
Speaker 1: gets injured, it is your starting quarterback the next two years,
Speaker 1: because you have invested so much money in him. But
Speaker 1: all of a sudden people are surprised that Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: has this prickly personality, or it's about him. It is
Speaker 1: a about him. Have you seen the offensive weapons you've
Speaker 1: given him. Aaron Rodgers is not the problem. Look for
Speaker 1: the problems and solve the problems. Now. If you're saying
Speaker 1: we need to get control back from Aaron Rodgers, okay,
Speaker 1: why did you sign him to the extension? You could
Speaker 1: have traded him and probably got a hole on. That
Speaker 1: would have been a more sound business move. As you move,
Speaker 1: Jordan Love is not going to help you for a
Speaker 1: couple of years at best, and maybe he doesn't help
Speaker 1: you at all. Is that so they were dead? They
Speaker 1: were drafting a quarterback. My intel said the Packers were
Speaker 1: going to get a quarterback. Okay, you got a quarterback,
Speaker 1: but you're going to send a message there. In twenty thirteen,
Speaker 1: Tom Brady had an eighty seven point three rating Lois
Speaker 1: Since two thousand three, the Patriots drafted Jimmy Garoppolo to
Speaker 1: send a message. Over the next four seasons, Brady's quarterback
Speaker 1: rating one h three and two super Bowls. Nice message sent.
Speaker 1: And I thought at the time, Okay, maybe what's happening
Speaker 1: is they want to say to Aaron, Hey, we want
Speaker 1: you angry, we want you upset, we want you fired
Speaker 1: up to come in here. Okay, Like I was, I
Speaker 1: just said, all right, if that's what your message is
Speaker 1: with him, could you say it to his face and
Speaker 1: draft a wide receiver. Couldn't you just bring him in
Speaker 1: and say, like, do I have to send you a
Speaker 1: You're talking about him being passive aggressive, right, aren't the
Speaker 1: Packers passive aggressive with what they just did? If you
Speaker 1: don't talk to him. So that's the passive part, you
Speaker 1: don't talk to him, and then the aggressive part is
Speaker 1: we're going to draft a quarterback in the first round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you're taking the wrong side here. I looked
Speaker 1: up the stats. Matt Lafleur as a head coach has
Speaker 1: a career winning person of eighty one percent. That's the
Speaker 1: greatest in NFL history, Yanks thirteen and three. Yeah, what's
Speaker 1: one season? But I know, you know, we painted him
Speaker 1: to be a genius because he worked with the Rams.
Speaker 1: Painted him to be a genius because he was with
Speaker 1: the Titans. Okay, that that doesn't mean you have the
Speaker 1: collateral where you walk in and go we're gonna send
Speaker 1: a message this guy last I looked every genius, all
Speaker 1: these geniuses, head coaches, head quarterbacks. Bill Walsh is a
Speaker 1: genius when he got Joe Montan and Steve Young. Boy,
Speaker 1: that helps being a genius. Andy Reid is a genius
Speaker 1: now you know why, because he's got Patrick Mahomes. If
Speaker 1: you're going to be a genius, chances are Phil Jackson's
Speaker 1: a genius. He got Michael and Scottie and Shack and Kobe.
Speaker 1: He wasn't a genius when he got to the Knicks. Somehow, Yeah,
Speaker 1: strange how that happens. But all right, there you go.
Speaker 1: That's how we start the show. And I know that
Speaker 1: I probably sound apologetic for Aaron Rodgers. He's a big boy,
Speaker 1: can do what he needs to do, and you know,
Speaker 1: maybe uses this to his advantage. But I just you're
Speaker 1: sending a message. And look, I respect these reporters. You know,
Speaker 1: Bob McGinn has been around for decades covering the packers.
Speaker 1: I respect it. It feels like you got the same
Speaker 1: source there. You got the same source who's giving that
Speaker 1: information to these you know writers who were you know,
Speaker 1: maybe it's one of those Hey, let's leak some stuff
Speaker 1: out here to let them know you know we need
Speaker 1: Aaron to comply with what we want to do. So
Speaker 1: you got what I've been told I've been beaten over
Speaker 1: the head with is for what ten years? Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: is the most talented quarterback to ever play the game.
Speaker 1: I've been told that reminded of that. You got one
Speaker 1: super Bowl to show for it. You don't draft any
Speaker 1: weapons in the first round for him, you don't have
Speaker 1: offensive skill position. You're on record as not helping the
Speaker 1: greatest quarterback of all time. And the argument I get
Speaker 1: back is, well, if he's the greatest quarterback of all time,
Speaker 1: he should be able to do this on his own,
Speaker 1: and we can. You know, we can draft players and
Speaker 1: fill in other holes. It's nice you keep drafting cornerbacks, which, okay,
Speaker 1: that's great. The reason why you lost to the Niners
Speaker 1: they ran down your throats. So Aaron Rodgers. Put the
Speaker 1: blame on him all you want, but it feels like
Speaker 1: if you start to point fingers, you might have to
Speaker 1: point some fingers inward with what's going on with the
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Speaker 1: Maybe Aaron Rodgers can call one eight hundred flowers and
Speaker 1: send some flowers to Matt Lafleur, just to see if
Speaker 1: he can patch things up here passive aggressively of course,
Speaker 1: mclove you got a pull question for me? Yes, and
Speaker 1: I do want to point out la fleur as I
Speaker 1: believe translates to the flower in French. Oh, yes, well done,
Speaker 1: so pole. Question I want to ask, is Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: the Packers quarterback in two years? Is that the time frame?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the timeframe is or and whatever
Speaker 1: the contract is with the NFL contracts, you can usually
Speaker 1: get out of it. What's the how would you wear
Speaker 1: that poll? Question? Run it by me again, because I
Speaker 1: think Rogers they're locked into Rodgers unless he gets hurt
Speaker 1: the next two years, just contractually in salary cap wise
Speaker 1: the third year, it's a little more user friendly for
Speaker 1: the packers. If can you believe we're talking about this
Speaker 1: that all of a sudden the Packers are ready to
Speaker 1: move on from the Like, what's dumber You sign him
Speaker 1: to this deal and you you don't like his passive
Speaker 1: aggressive style, or that you draft a quarterback in the
Speaker 1: first round to send a message to him, Like, it's
Speaker 1: just it seems so counterproductive. Yeah, McLevin, Have there been
Speaker 1: great quarterback so that you kind of have to force
Speaker 1: to rely on the running game? That's what I feel like.
Speaker 1: Maybe this is like Rogers doesn't want to he audibles
Speaker 1: out of running plays. He doesn't want to do a
Speaker 1: running game, but they kind of have to force him. Okay,
Speaker 1: but just help me understand this. This is the by far,
Speaker 1: by far, the greatest touchdown to interception ratio of any
Speaker 1: quarterback in the history of the sport, not even close.
Speaker 1: I got a guy who does something extremely well, wouldn't
Speaker 1: I want to continue to have him do something extremely
Speaker 1: well like the Chiefs did with Patrick Mahomes. Well, they're problems.
Speaker 1: They have to slow the game down, so the Niners
Speaker 1: don't get the ball back. They have to move slow
Speaker 1: amount they improve their defense. The best way to improve
Speaker 1: the defense is a running game. You've said that before.
Speaker 1: That's a direct quote from Dan Patrick. Well, it would
Speaker 1: help if you played defense too. Like you can have
Speaker 1: a great running game if you don't play an in defense,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. You can't have mostrip running for thirty
Speaker 1: yards to play. No, not good, no, no. That that
Speaker 1: is probably not going to be sustainable if you're going
Speaker 1: to try to eat the Niners. I don't even know
Speaker 1: if the Packers are better than I mean, the Cowboy
Speaker 1: there's a few teams. Are they better than the Buccaneers
Speaker 1: going into this. I have no idea. We make it
Speaker 1: seem like or it appears that, hey, the Packers are
Speaker 1: gearing up to beat the Niners. Okay, well, good luck
Speaker 1: with the other teams you might face. You got a
Speaker 1: friendly schedule, I think a third place schedule. You went
Speaker 1: thirteen and three. I didn't think they were formidable, but
Speaker 1: they you know, they got through the playoffs. They met
Speaker 1: the Niners, and Niners were a better team. But I
Speaker 1: don't know if we look back on this next offseason
Speaker 1: and then bring this up, you know, after the Packers
Speaker 1: go ten and six and you know, go to the
Speaker 1: second round of the playoffs or something, you know, because
Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur and Aaron Rodgers, I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: Now I get it Aaron Rodgers and Mike McCarthy they
Speaker 1: that was an issue. But I think that got to
Speaker 1: the point where you know, we're tired of each other,
Speaker 1: and you know what, you don't make me better, and
Speaker 1: apparently I don't make you better, And I think we
Speaker 1: need to go or you need to go. And Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy going to Dallas was best for him and probably
Speaker 1: best for Aaron Rodgers. Yes, mclovin, did you sneak in
Speaker 1: a pro Cowboys statement there and think that we work
Speaker 1: at a notice? Who I know? I think you like
Speaker 1: their draft? I'm falling. I did you know I have
Speaker 1: this crush on the Cowboys? Did you notice on my
Speaker 1: desk here? I put the Cowboys that helmet I got
Speaker 1: when I was on vacation that's made out of fishbones.
Speaker 1: I put that on my debt. I go, what am
Speaker 1: I doing? I come? You know when you put a
Speaker 1: picture out of a girlfriend or something. I mean that's
Speaker 1: what I did, falling in love with the cowp who
Speaker 1: goes farther? Next season? Packers, Cowboys, Tampa your Tampa team?
Speaker 1: Say the Seahawks in there because of Russell Wilson Junior.
Speaker 1: The third Well, I have to fill the Niners unless
Speaker 1: we are the Niners. Still, they did pretty well in
Speaker 1: the offseason. Yes, mclovin, remember when I was trying to
Speaker 1: tout them. So I don't know after the draft. Has
Speaker 1: anyone talked about them in weeks now? They have they
Speaker 1: do in the draft? I don't know. But they got
Speaker 1: a genius as a head coach and that's all your need.
Speaker 1: How about the Eagles in that poll too, by the way, Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe they're sending a message. They're definitely
Speaker 1: saying maybe they're sending a message. Carson Wentz. All right,
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Speaker 1: We'll get to your phone calls on the Packers and
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. A couple of articles that came out yesterday.
Speaker 1: Apparently there's some tension there Aaron's passive aggressive nature. They
Speaker 1: want to send a message to Aaron Rodgers. They draft
Speaker 1: Jordan Love. More of that coming up. We'll check in
Speaker 1: with the Packers. Coming up in the second hour. Guy
Speaker 1: Fieri on loan from Diners, Drive Ins and Dives. Big
Speaker 1: Raiders fan will join us. Coming up in the final
Speaker 1: hour of the program. Charles Barclay, Hall of Famer, inside
Speaker 1: the NBA on TNT, joining us and WHOA what do
Speaker 1: you got in the background? There is that your man cave.
Speaker 1: This is my man cave, my GM and my bar.
Speaker 1: So I got a bunch of stuff on in my
Speaker 1: bar in my workout room from the Dream Team. This
Speaker 1: is actually I got this all as time by the
Speaker 1: original Dream Team from ninety two. That's one of my
Speaker 1: most proud possessions. Isaiah Thomas's autograph is not on that right.
Speaker 1: It is not you know what it probably should be,
Speaker 1: but it is not. Okay, I asked Reggie Miller, can
Speaker 1: we get this out of the way. I asked Reggie
Speaker 1: Miller on Monday, I said, do you think Michael said
Speaker 1: to the commissioner, I'll do the Dream Team, but Isaiah
Speaker 1: doesn't get to play. I don't have any idea about that,
Speaker 1: to be honest, what you're doing. But you know, I've
Speaker 1: told Isaiah who I really like a lot. That was
Speaker 1: never presented to me in a like, hey, do you
Speaker 1: want Isaiah on the team. So I have heard the rumors.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's true and what was not true.
Speaker 1: Uh so, uh, I just don't know the answer your question.
Speaker 1: But that was never presented to me. Was it true
Speaker 1: that Isaiah froze out Michael or tried to in the
Speaker 1: All Star Game? Wasn't that a star? But I'm asking you, Hey,
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to oh, just lost question.
Speaker 1: Forty years in the NBA. It's crazy. You think that's
Speaker 1: crazy that he would have tried to freeze out Michael
Speaker 1: in the All Star Game? Yeah, I think it would
Speaker 1: be crazy. I don't I don't think you could get
Speaker 1: every I mean, because that's why you gotta get all
Speaker 1: the guys to agree to that. So I don't believe
Speaker 1: that at all. Is that checks shoe over your shoulders, Risman,
Speaker 1: listen to the suckled dream Team. This is suckled dream Team.
Speaker 1: The stuff I got on the wall, the stuff on
Speaker 1: the original Dream Team other than this flag, I got
Speaker 1: hit because people might steal this. They won't steal this stuff.
Speaker 1: I got the original dream Team stuff other than this flag.
Speaker 1: I got that stuff here. I got a Magic Johnson
Speaker 1: practice jersey that I stole. I got a Michael Jordan
Speaker 1: practice jersey that I stole. But but all that stuff
Speaker 1: is hid. Did you sit down for the Jordan documentary?
Speaker 1: I did? And what was the top What were the
Speaker 1: topics that they broached with you? I actually don't remember, Dan.
Speaker 1: It was done like pretty much a year ago, so
Speaker 1: I really don't remember what we talked about. Did you
Speaker 1: have any beef with Michael? Never? Me and Michael always
Speaker 1: been cool. He was always like a brother to me,
Speaker 1: and he treated me great. Obviously that's changed now, but
Speaker 1: the documentary has been I don't think there's anything shocking
Speaker 1: in there, to be honest with you, Well, I think
Speaker 1: that we looked at Jerry Kraus was the villain, and
Speaker 1: then it though he wasn't. No, he was no, no no, no.
Speaker 1: He was portrayed as the villain because you know, at
Speaker 1: the end, because he took it apart. He didn't take
Speaker 1: that apart. Anybody think that's a food. That thing was
Speaker 1: all orchestrated by Jerry Ryan's door. The notion that that
Speaker 1: little man broke up the Bulls is that's a nine
Speaker 1: and absurd. Hey, listen, John, if you go back and
Speaker 1: look at the and used common sense, just use playing
Speaker 1: common sense. Jerry Ryns Door broke up the Bulls because
Speaker 1: he didn't want to pay anybody. You think about this,
Speaker 1: He led Harvest Grand Grove because he became a free agent.
Speaker 1: Didn't want to pay him. They probably won't talk about
Speaker 1: that in the documentary. That's why he left and went
Speaker 1: to Orlando. He only paid Michael the last two years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when he had Michael out a bargain, he was happy,
Speaker 1: so he didn't want to pay Michael. He paid him
Speaker 1: those last two years and he had Scottie on a
Speaker 1: great deal. That's the reason he broke up the Bulls
Speaker 1: strictly because of money, but to try to make Jerry
Speaker 1: Cross to be the bad guy. I thought that was
Speaker 1: very disingenuous about Jerry Ryan's dark I agree. After I
Speaker 1: watched that documentary, those first two episodes. I came in
Speaker 1: on Monday and I said, why is it that Jerry
Speaker 1: reinsor if the owner has no blood on his hands
Speaker 1: in this well, because he's a that's the way he is.
Speaker 1: He's the solid assassin. He's my man from that movie
Speaker 1: The Professional, He come in and kill you you don't
Speaker 1: even know you did. Is over and Jerry Krause isn't
Speaker 1: around to defend himself. That that was what you know.
Speaker 1: He helped build that team. And then it felt like
Speaker 1: he was Yoko owner blaming him for the breakup of
Speaker 1: the Beatles. It doesn't even matter if he was around
Speaker 1: number one rest in peace. But the notion that Jerry
Speaker 1: cry broke up the Bulls, then come on, man, if
Speaker 1: Jerry Ronsdog wanted the Bulls to stay together, they would
Speaker 1: have stayed together. I mean, I'm about to take Jerry
Speaker 1: cross all, but something became a hand and broke up
Speaker 1: the bull I think that is just stupid. Dan. Do
Speaker 1: you not pay your bill? I think it's your bill, Dan,
Speaker 1: I haven't spent money on anything in like two months.
Speaker 1: I got plenty of it. What are you doing at home? Like?
Speaker 1: How do you pass the time? But a good thing?
Speaker 1: You come back in Arizona. So I started a regiment
Speaker 1: while I work out twice a day. I played. I
Speaker 1: played golf threeweight and three days a week. I can
Speaker 1: only drink on Friday and Saturday, so it's been I've
Speaker 1: been trying to do. That's all I could do. You know,
Speaker 1: I love to drink, but I know I could not
Speaker 1: drink every day, so I quit drinking except on Friday
Speaker 1: and Saturday. I got a big golf match today with
Speaker 1: a bunch of the Kyote hockey players. We play about
Speaker 1: three days a week. We got like a Rounder Cup
Speaker 1: for Matt so Days the big day in the Barkley
Speaker 1: Golf World. Talking to Charles Barkley, the Hall of Famer
Speaker 1: joining us Stan Patrick show, The Isaiah Thomas looks like
Speaker 1: an apology tour here about not shaking hands with the bulls.
Speaker 1: My reaction with that chuck was own it. You're the bulls,
Speaker 1: you were the bad boys. Who cares if you didn't
Speaker 1: shake Mike's hand? Like I just didn't. I like Lane
Speaker 1: Beer's approach. He's like, yeah, I don't know. We didn't
Speaker 1: know they were whiners. We didn't want to shake their hands. Uh,
Speaker 1: first of all, they were wrong. They should have shook
Speaker 1: their hands, so they should have did that you know Athena,
Speaker 1: that was amazing. If you go back when I saw that,
Speaker 1: even after they had beat the hell out of Michael,
Speaker 1: he shipped their hands. Ye. I mean, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if guy had beat me to a pulp three years
Speaker 1: in a row, I'd shake their hands. But Michael went
Speaker 1: up to their hands, went up to them and shook
Speaker 1: their hands and said congratulation. Listen, the Pistols were wrong.
Speaker 1: I think we've all did things in our life that
Speaker 1: would like to go back. The Pistols were wrong. And
Speaker 1: first of all, they let this team get out of
Speaker 1: hand if they just had to said and I love Zailla,
Speaker 1: I love working with him, my life of a lot.
Speaker 1: He probably gets the least amount of respect out of
Speaker 1: all the great players in NBA history. But all they
Speaker 1: had to do to put out this brush fire is, Hey,
Speaker 1: we were wrong. We should have shook their hands. You
Speaker 1: can't let this thing simmer and let the media and
Speaker 1: let all these idiots on something that not you Dan,
Speaker 1: you know who I'm talking about. You can't let these
Speaker 1: idiots on other networks. When I say it is you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Skip Baylor's. You can't let idiots
Speaker 1: and foods like that just throw gasoline on the fire.
Speaker 1: Is Zaia who I love. Should have just said, hey,
Speaker 1: we were wrong and this thing would have been over. Yeah.
Speaker 1: My point was, you're known as the bad boys. Okay,
Speaker 1: you didn't shake Mike's hand, so what Mike was the
Speaker 1: Mike was the bigger man with that, Chuck. But you
Speaker 1: know what that you can't just shake people hands when
Speaker 1: you win. That was a bad thing about I know
Speaker 1: they're wrong, Chuck, I know they're wrong, but you're the
Speaker 1: bad boys. The way you played was wrong. They beat Yes,
Speaker 1: it was, Yes, it was they beat up Mike. Look
Speaker 1: at the video of what they did to Jordan. That
Speaker 1: was a real basketball that was the rules though, well
Speaker 1: it was. It was a shame that David Stern allowed
Speaker 1: the Knicks and the Pistons to play that kind of basketball.
Speaker 1: Miami Heat did. Yeah, Miami Heat did too. They're right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just bas what. They had a heck of
Speaker 1: a team. They had a bunch of good players. I mean, obviously,
Speaker 1: uh Joe Dumars or Isaiah are great, great players, and
Speaker 1: Dennis was a hell of a player. But they still
Speaker 1: had Bennie Johnson, Lambier was a good little player. I
Speaker 1: mean Sally was a good player. James Edwards. I mean
Speaker 1: they had a good team. They had a great team.
Speaker 1: They had a great dead an underrated team. I said
Speaker 1: that we just didn't like that style, but that team
Speaker 1: was a great team. You had a Hall of Fame coach.
Speaker 1: He had Hall of famers with Rodman. Was unbelievable back
Speaker 1: then that that version of Dennis was incredible. Yes, agreed.
Speaker 1: You didn't have any running well you had run in
Speaker 1: with Lane Beer. You were going to fight him or
Speaker 1: if you made punched him in ahead. Yes, yes, you
Speaker 1: know what's really funny about that. You know what's really
Speaker 1: funny about that Uhstan team. All the two guys on
Speaker 1: that team could fight. Isaiah and Joe Dumars like Robin
Speaker 1: couldn't fight. Sally couldn't fight, Mhorn, couldn't fight, Lamb Beer
Speaker 1: couldn't fight. I mean, and I've been in Johnson, Ben
Speaker 1: and Johnson and James Edwards they fight, But the main
Speaker 1: four guy I just mentioned, none of them could fight
Speaker 1: a lick, but they were Lane Beer was always starting.
Speaker 1: He was an instigator there. He was go back and
Speaker 1: look at all the highlights. He was always getting punched
Speaker 1: in the head. That does not mean that just means
Speaker 1: you got punched in the head, says the Dan. Go
Speaker 1: back and look at all the highlights. He started the fight,
Speaker 1: he didn't end the fight. That's exactly right. Just because
Speaker 1: you're getting punched in the face does not mean you
Speaker 1: started to fight. I mean, you just got punched in
Speaker 1: the face. Oh he's slimming, he's sexy. Joining us from
Speaker 1: his man cave, Charles Berkley, you look good. I'm happy
Speaker 1: that I am not going to complain because man, I
Speaker 1: just want to shout out to all the first responders
Speaker 1: out there, all the nurses and all the doctors who
Speaker 1: are no normal. Unless you're a cop or farmer, you
Speaker 1: don't have to risk your life every day. But I
Speaker 1: just feel so I just feel sad on so many fronts.
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, the first responders, but all
Speaker 1: these people who in the restaurant business who are gonna
Speaker 1: lose their job, who have lost their jobs and are
Speaker 1: going to lose their jobs because even when this pandemic
Speaker 1: is over, a lot of these restaurants are Number one,
Speaker 1: people are not gonna have money to go there and eat.
Speaker 1: But also people are gonna be afraid, gonna be afraid
Speaker 1: to congregate. So this thing is gonna be catastrophic for
Speaker 1: a lot of people in the restaurant industry. So my
Speaker 1: thoughts are with them. So I'm not gonna complain at all.
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, I'm bored. I'm not even worried about
Speaker 1: the NBA coming back. I'm not worried about the NHL
Speaker 1: coming back. I'm not worried about football. I'm just worried
Speaker 1: about the big picture, because, man, the most important thing.
Speaker 1: How are we gonna do this and keep anybody's safe?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how you can do it
Speaker 1: and keep people safe. Yeah, I just don't see fans
Speaker 1: coming back, being able to come back until oh, Dan, man,
Speaker 1: that's that's going out of the window. That's not even
Speaker 1: we should even be discussing that there's no fans coming
Speaker 1: to sportings events. If we start playing again, that ain't
Speaker 1: got that's got zero chance of happening. My concern is
Speaker 1: how are we gonna get I mean, I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: the three most important sports right now because football got
Speaker 1: some time, hockey, which I love, the Standing Cup playoffs,
Speaker 1: the NBA playoffs, and Major League Baseball. How are we
Speaker 1: gonna keep the players safe? I mean and people who
Speaker 1: are gonna be around because let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: I was talking to my lawyer. He says, if you
Speaker 1: guys get one of these people sick and they die,
Speaker 1: or one of these players die legally, we're gonna be
Speaker 1: up a creek. I'll leave you with this. The report
Speaker 1: came out that Michael Jordan just to do this documentary,
Speaker 1: had all this footage, and they said that they won't
Speaker 1: release an NBA Entertainment will not release it until Michael
Speaker 1: says that they can release it. He said no for decades.
Speaker 1: Then on the day Lebron wins the championship, you know Clinty,
Speaker 1: He's in Cleveland, and Michael says, he tells the producer, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's do this. Do you think that's just a coincidence
Speaker 1: or maybe it's Mike's way of saying, let me remind
Speaker 1: some people and inform a new generation of just how
Speaker 1: damn good I was. Well, I don't know the answer
Speaker 1: to that question. But there's a couple of things about
Speaker 1: this documentary. Number One, when just looking at Michael talking
Speaker 1: to Royal Williams, Tom, but I'm an nobody's gonna work
Speaker 1: harder than me, and nobody ever has to and then
Speaker 1: when he wanted to come back and play with the
Speaker 1: broken foot and Jared says, no, you're gonna risk your career.
Speaker 1: He just wanted to play. And I wish to number
Speaker 1: one thing that these young players today get out of
Speaker 1: this documentary. You can have all the followers you want,
Speaker 1: you can make all the money you want. The most
Speaker 1: important thing, it's been the best player. That's what I
Speaker 1: hope these young guys get out of this. But let
Speaker 1: me has to finish up with this. What he went
Speaker 1: through against the Bulls, that's what makes me. That's what
Speaker 1: to me makes him the greatest player ever. No disrespect
Speaker 1: to Kobe, because Cope is the closest I've seen to Michael.
Speaker 1: No disrespect to Lebron, who's an amazing man, number one,
Speaker 1: an amazing player. But to get beat down like that
Speaker 1: and keep coming back was that reminded me, Like why
Speaker 1: I think this dude is the greatest basketball player ever.
Speaker 1: I mean because the way they played the NBA today,
Speaker 1: Dan and I'm not the old get off my long guy,
Speaker 1: and you said it earlier. What they did to that
Speaker 1: dude three years in a row. For him to keep
Speaker 1: coming back, well that's what made him the goat. Okay,
Speaker 1: back to my question, do you think Michael this was
Speaker 1: a calculated move. On the day Lebron wins the championship,
Speaker 1: he decides to do it allow them to do a
Speaker 1: documentary on the last year of the Bulls. How the
Speaker 1: hell am Michael? Just to ask you, I know you
Speaker 1: don't know everything, but you know Michael is the most
Speaker 1: competitive guy you've ever been around. And that to me,
Speaker 1: it was Michael saying, yeah, you know, Lebron's won another
Speaker 1: title here. Maybe you know, let me just put this
Speaker 1: out there and just let people just remind them of
Speaker 1: how great I was. Well, let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: If that was his goal, we are reminding I know,
Speaker 1: let me tell it up there as a as a person,
Speaker 1: as a person who lived the Joint era. H Listen, man,
Speaker 1: I would say, I'm not trying to be the old guy.
Speaker 1: You're watching these highlights bringing back some serious, some serious memories.
Speaker 1: How great this guy was. I mean, it's it's incredible
Speaker 1: to relive it. It's incredible to relive it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know it's old to have a long time ago.
Speaker 1: You know what Reggie Miller said to me, Chuck, He said,
Speaker 1: if he I said, what would happen. If he ran
Speaker 1: into Jordan and he goes, I might want to punch him.
Speaker 1: I might hug him or punch him. Reggie still has
Speaker 1: he really had a hard time, like it was sports trauma.
Speaker 1: After watching those first two episodes, he was like still
Speaker 1: mad at Jordan, like for their relationship, their rivalry. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I saw some guys tried to make a
Speaker 1: big deal out of Michael playing golf with Danny Aingel
Speaker 1: one day, and I see these young guys don't get it.
Speaker 1: We're not mad about them playing golf together. We're mad
Speaker 1: about the I'm all teaming up together. That ain't the same.
Speaker 1: That ain't the same. Yeah, we've all played golf at
Speaker 1: different times, but we ain't never said, hey man, let's
Speaker 1: get together and dominate the league. That's what the different
Speaker 1: aspect of being friends with guys. We never all got
Speaker 1: together said let's dominate the league. That's good. I'm glad
Speaker 1: you're healthy, and uh, I miss you. Man. You guys
Speaker 1: be safe, keep you to keep your distance and bless
Speaker 1: all y'all. Man, one of these days we're doing the
Speaker 1: show from the Berkeley Estates. Hey, uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: changed the name. I'm making a compound now because I
Speaker 1: got a basketball antennis Yeah, I got a basketball an
Speaker 1: tennis court now in the backyard day and you don't
Speaker 1: use either one of those. Well, I got a putting
Speaker 1: green too, and you don't use that either. Oh I
Speaker 1: practice my putting every day now. Damn good. You're welcome
Speaker 1: at the compound anytime. And do you have bunk beds
Speaker 1: so whenever out the dance that damn I got Hey,
Speaker 1: I got a guest house. Oh, I like it. I
Speaker 1: got a guest house. Thank you, Bud, Thanks for having me. Guy.
Speaker 1: That's Charles Barkley. We'll take a break. Play of the day,
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Speaker 1: leads us off high Royal and great to talk to you.
Speaker 1: Enjoined the interview with Charles Barkley, and yesterday here in
Speaker 1: uh Sioux City, Iowa, a local retired journalist brought up
Speaker 1: a story about Wilt Chamberlain from his mentor they used
Speaker 1: to write down in Kansas City and kind of knew
Speaker 1: the world Chamberlain story and everything. And Will Chamberlain was
Speaker 1: asked who was the greatest of all time? And of course,
Speaker 1: like any great athlete, Wilt said he was. And he
Speaker 1: went on to compare himself to Michael Jordan. This was
Speaker 1: not long before Wilt had passed on. I believe it
Speaker 1: was in the late nineties. Anyway, Wilt said he could
Speaker 1: out vertical jump in I think Will said he did
Speaker 1: fifty inches, which I didn't know that that's not true.
Speaker 1: And well, Will was an All American high jumper, you know,
Speaker 1: you know he played volleyball. No, I know his whole
Speaker 1: I know his whole story here boy, But no, Will
Speaker 1: not fifty inches at seven foot one now the greatest
Speaker 1: leapers of all time, nobody's got fifty inch vertical leap,
Speaker 1: you know. But yeah, Wilt was great in his era.
Speaker 1: He was great, absolutely, But today that style, you know,
Speaker 1: he would not be anywhere near what he once was.
Speaker 1: In his generation, he was great, absolutely, and you could
Speaker 1: say was he the goat before Michael No, because Bill
Speaker 1: Russell because he had a better team, he won more championships.
Speaker 1: Will did everything except for when and that was always
Speaker 1: held against him, all these stats. It didn't matter. How
Speaker 1: did you do against Russell and the Celtics. You didn't
Speaker 1: do well at all. Charles is always fun and you
Speaker 1: know the point he brings up about Jerry Kraus, the
Speaker 1: GM who was You give him credit as the architect
Speaker 1: of building the Bulls, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: we put the blame on him because he's Yoko Ono
Speaker 1: breaking up the Beatles, and that's not the owner is
Speaker 1: going to make these decisions. The owner is the one
Speaker 1: who is going to be writing those checks. How is
Speaker 1: it that Jerry reins I don't know if he's if
Speaker 1: he's interviewed and asked about this, But if you're gonna
Speaker 1: do a documentary and you're gonna have Jerry Krause and
Speaker 1: Jerry's gonna take the slings and arrows and he's not
Speaker 1: even around to defend himself, I have to ask the
Speaker 1: director of the producer. You gotta ask Jerry reinsdor Jerry,
Speaker 1: you're the one that broke up the team, not Jerry Krause.
Speaker 1: Are you trying to tell me that Jerry Krause goes, Hey,
Speaker 1: I don't care what you say, mister ryinsdor if I'm
Speaker 1: breaking up the Chicago Bulls because you were gonna have
Speaker 1: to pay Scottie Pippen some big money. Mike made thirty million.
Speaker 1: Everybody else was sort of in that three four five
Speaker 1: million dollars range. Yeampoint if you remember, Michael Jordan, like
Speaker 1: you said, made about three million a year most of
Speaker 1: his career, but his last two years with the Bulls
Speaker 1: he made thirty three million a year based off the
Speaker 1: Larry Bird salary cap rule. They didn't get charged the
Speaker 1: full thirty three million, it's on their salary cap. It
Speaker 1: still came out of their pockets. Though it looked like
Speaker 1: they were getting a deal because they had the Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan the Larry Bird rule. I'm Jordan, and it didn't
Speaker 1: hurt their cap, but they still had to pay him
Speaker 1: thirty three million a year. It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: Krause gets he got he got some credit for building this,
Speaker 1: but he got all the blame for dismantling this. I
Speaker 1: just can't imagine that Jerry Kraus is going to go,
Speaker 1: hey to the owner, Hey, let's just break this apart. Now.
Speaker 1: The owner is the one who looks at this as
Speaker 1: from the financial aspect of this. You've already got your
Speaker 1: titles here. Do you want to do it again or
Speaker 1: do you want to somehow recoup or make more money here?
Speaker 1: You know it's a monetary decision here. But Charles is
Speaker 1: right and I said at the time that Monday, after
Speaker 1: the first two episodes, there's no blood on Jerry Reinsdorf's
Speaker 1: hands and there should be second hour coming up. We'll
Speaker 1: check in with the Green Bay Packers with that drama,
Speaker 1: and Guy Fieri from Diners, Drive Ins and Dives will
Speaker 1: join us in the final howry more of your phone
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