WEBVTT - Draft Show: Senior Bowl Review & Dane's First Mock 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:16.000 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:20.240 on your war Room for insider news and draft analysis 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:23.800 from deep within the confines at Cowboys headquarters at Valley Ranch. 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:27.680 The Dallas Cowboys Selection by R Joe and now your 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:33.519 hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman, and Brian brought us. We 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:37.400 are back at our home base here at Valley Ranch 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:42.320 for the Draft show from the SWBC Mortgage Studios. I 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:45.839 am Brian brought us along with Dane Brugler from CBS 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:52.159 Sports and Dallas Cowboys dot Com and joined here today 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:57.800 by Dave's replaces. Yeah, Tay what Taylor Stern steps into 0:00:57.800 --> 0:00:59.960 the chair. Yes, I felt like I had to dress 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:02.880 like him, you know, so the transition was easier for viewing. 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:05.679 Honny Jim, that kid's gonna kill us now with all 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:10.960 drops exactly, here we go. Yeah, No, Dave is on assignment. 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:13.399 Is that what you said? Yeah, Dave's on assignment doing 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:18.319 some Louisiana scouting, Maudi, girl, you gotta go scout that 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:21.319 kind of stuff, and he's comparing it probably to last 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:24.399 week's mobile exactly. So he's just doing some comparing and 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:28.200 contrasting absolutely, which I appreciate him studying. Well, we're grateful 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:32.120 for you to be here today and and you were 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:34.160 a part of a lot of the things going on 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:36.480 at the Senior Bowl. So I'm interested to get your 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:38.440 take on only what you saw, but some of the 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:42.959 interaction you had with the players. Kent Garrison is the 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:47.000 executive producer today as always, and we thank him for 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:49.480 doing that. The Draft Show today again, like you say, 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:52.160 we're back here next WBC Morgage Studio. I want to 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:54.400 wrap up the Senior Bowl, guys, is what I want 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:56.560 to do. We haven't had a chance to talk about it. 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:58.360 What we saw in the game, did a lot of 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:01.160 things for Dallas Cowboys dot Com, some videos up, how 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:06.320 guys played, some content as far as written stuff or 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:08.919 what we saw. Going to get into Twitter on the twenty. 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:12.200 That's where we have an opportunity for you out there 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:16.320 to fire us a question at the Draft Show. That's 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:18.320 the best way to get a hold of us. Kent 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:21.119 does a nice job of managing the account and then 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:23.920 also pushing out things that we are going to do, 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:28.160 whether it's from the Senior Bowl, the Combine, Draft Show, information, 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:30.960 anything you need to know at the Draft Show. That's 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:33.320 where your questions need to be answered, and Tay's gonna 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:37.000 step in for Dave and handle that today. We're also 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:39.280 going to take a look at Dane's mock draft that 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:42.160 he did for CBS Sports on Monday, and what I 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:43.880 want to do, guys with that is I'd like to 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:45.920 get in only with what the Cowboys are gonna do, 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:48.720 but maybe some of the players around why you had 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:51.880 certain guys at certain levels. I'm excited to see, Like 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:54.079 at the end of the draft. I don't know about you, Dane. 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:58.040 I got eighteen names so far, pending any physicals or 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:01.959 any problems of first round players. Eighteen, so there's thirty 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:04.200 one guys that are gonna get select in the first round. 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:06.720 You've got some interesting names that back into that draft 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:08.519 that I want to get to. Yeah. When I saw 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:11.120 Dane tweet that out, I looked at it immediately because 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:14.120 obviously I trust his opinion and some of them, I 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:16.480 was like, I have to ask him about this. I'm 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:19.080 excited about the opportunity. Good we're gonna get. Yeah, we're 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:20.840 gonna get into that. And then, like we said, we're 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:23.560 gonna take some calls today at the excuse me, towards 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:26.239 the end of the show. I'd like to get your questions. 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:28.440 I'd like to get your comments. I'd like to hear 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:31.120 your voice that you can reach us. It's on the 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:33.840 screen right here as you see eight eight eight eight 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:36.600 five five two two ninety seven. We're gonna do that 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:38.040 at the end of the show, try and get through 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:40.400 as many of those as we can. The way you 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:42.640 can help us do that is by just hey, get 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:45.120 to your question. We're all doing great, we're having a 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:47.600 good time, happy to be talking about the draft. So 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:53.680 with all that being said, we were immobile Alabama. We are. 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:57.160 We did what we always talked about. We investigate and 0:03:57.240 --> 0:03:59.480 now we're going to educate, right and that's something we 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:02.640 always focus here on the Draft show. And Dane, I 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:05.520 want to ask your opinion of what you thought of 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:08.520 the week. A lot of you know, some of the 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:11.200 top players you had. I thought there was a tremendous 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:13.880 amount of pressure on Carson Wentz going into this, the 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:17.120 fact that he was the Cowboys. He was on the 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:19.680 Cowboys team. We talked about it during the week. Sure 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:21.760 felt like that maybe some of the times he had 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:23.760 probably maybe tried to do a little too much. But 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:27.120 what did you see from the game. Did you gain 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:30.600 anything from the game any different opinion about Carson Wentz 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:32.400 as we speak today, I don't think so. I think 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:35.560 the game reflected how his week of practice was pressed 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:38.080 a little bit but was able to settle himself down. 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:42.920 And you saw all the traits, you know, at full display, 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:47.120 with the size of the arm, strength, his mobility, the 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:49.680 way he handles himself out there. Just that type of 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:51.800 stage did not seem too big for him. You know, 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:53.880 coming from the FCS level, you don't know how he's 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:57.320 going to respond. But throughout the week and during the game, yes, 0:04:57.320 --> 0:04:59.880 you did see him pressed a little bit, and that's understandable. 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:03.200 But I thought it was far more good than bad 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:05.720 with Carson Wayans. And I know that the final stats 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:08.800 didn't look great, but he made good throws. He made 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:13.279 NFL style throws. He saw the placement, he saw a 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:16.240 little bit of a hitch, maybe thinking too much at times, 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:18.920 but he was still able to deliver and complete passes. 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:20.880 So Carson once I thought, I had a very good week, 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:23.320 and it only confirmed that he's going to be in 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:26.599 the conversation to be that first quarterback draft. Yeah, Taylor, 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:29.400 you had a chance to interact with him on another level, 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:31.720 with some of the social media stuff you were doing 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:34.320 for Dallas Cowboys, I what kind of feeling it. Dane 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:38.360 painted a pretty a very accurate picture. What about him personally, 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:40.400 though you had some interaction with him as well. Well. 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:42.000 The first thing I noticed about him we didn't get 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:43.280 to talk to him on the way and day, which 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:45.359 I was kind of bummed about. But he was the 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:47.800 biggest name, so he just kind of ran through right, 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:51.320 which is understandable because other people had more time. The 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:54.200 first thing I noticed was that when Jerry Jones arrived 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:56.320 to the practice, he made it a point to go 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:58.680 up and talk to him, right, And I filmed that 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:02.520 and Carson was y, you know, comfortable. He didn't act like, 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:05.240 oh I'm star struck or right, this is someone I 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:08.880 need to impress. He was very comfortable, seemed relaxed, seemed dead, 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:12.560 He's you know. It was a pleasant conversation. But the 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:15.839 second thing that I noticed was that in his postgame 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:19.640 press commerce I watched it, he seemed very rehearsed, which 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:21.760 is sure true to all of these guys that are 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.680 coming through a job interview. But the thing that I 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:27.880 noticed was that he didn't have exact details. I don't 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:30.560 know if he's just trying to articulate everything that he's 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:33.280 going through or what he's trying to say, but they 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:36.200 seem very generic, is it. That's something that you see 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:39.400 often with these quarterbacks who are just trying to impress. Well. 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:41.719 Do you think he might be a little programmed right, well? 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:44.280 And or just maybe he's a little nervous about I 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:46.640 think more talked about not being on the scared on 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:48.800 the big stage. Though as a player, this is a 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:52.479 very very smart individual right on the field and off. 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:55.880 He knows all eyes are on him or right he's saying, 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:57.920 so he is a little guarded with what he's saying. 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:00.920 But yeah, he felt guarded. That's a perfect word, right, Dane, 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:03.920 because it felt like he wasn't saying exactly what he 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:05.800 wanted to say. Well, and like you mentioned, it's a 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:09.440 job interview, and he knows it. He's very aware of 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:12.560 what this opportunity means and what it could mean for 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:15.160 his draft standing. So I think, you know, I don't 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:17.960 want to look too much into that, but I do think, uh, 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:19.800 you know, he's a very smart guy, and so he 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:22.640 was very aware of all eyes being on him. What's 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:24.560 he gonna say and how he's going to respond. So 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:28.080 the awareness really stands out there. Yeah, I think that 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:30.320 watching him practice during the way can I even said 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:31.880 it on some of the shows we did, the draft 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:34.400 show during the week that I thought he was trying 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:36.160 to do a little too much. So for the game, 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:38.560 I didn't feel like though his receivers really helped him 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:40.400 at all. Now and I and we even showed it 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:43.880 on Dallas Cowboys dot com ball placement. You mentioned that earlier. 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:46.360 I mean the thing that I the question I had 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:49.080 for him after the game postgame was and then again 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:51.000 we had the video up on Dallas Cowboys dot com 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:54.760 is he was talking about getting back to California and 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:57.320 working on some things. And there's some things you saw 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:00.560 him in the pocket, the footwork, I mean to take 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:02.640 in the snaps, And I asked him, was that was 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:04.960 that something that you tried in the game. Was it 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:07.920 something that he said? No, No, I went back to 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:10.920 what you know, what I knew. And there's sometimes when 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:13.720 you watch him on North Dakota tape, the feet dude 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:15.400 bounced a little bit in the pocket, you know, And 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:18.080 and he had on the fourth and five throw that 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:20.240 he made. I mean, he just let it fly, but 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:22.960 it was just his you know, mechanics were bad and 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:25.000 he was trying to you know, maybe he should have 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:28.680 thrown the ball to Peyton, the UCLA receiver underneath and 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:31.280 fight for another day. But he tried to make the 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:33.640 big time throw to the outside to Braxton Miller. And 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:36.960 you said that he models his play after Aaron Rodgers, 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:40.640 So he's trying. He's thinking. I've heard in the past 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:43.240 when these quarterbacks are going through this draft process, they 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:46.760 get asked a million times, who are you emulating your game? After? 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:51.400 You know, it's things like that. So they watch a 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:53.760 lot of tape they see what these guys in the 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:57.360 league already successfully are doing. So and when I talked 0:08:57.360 --> 0:08:59.720 to Carson back in October, footwork was the first thing 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:02.480 he yeah when I said, okay, obviously you're talented, but 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:04.880 give me something you can work on, and footwork was 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:07.400 his first response. And so he's very aware. And that's 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:09.880 one thing I love about Golf and I love about Wentz. 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:11.680 And I don't have a good I'm not saying packs 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:13.600 the Lynch doesn't do this. I kind of a good 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:17.319 feeling forget, but the ability to self evaluate they understand 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:20.160 where they can get better and what they can work on. 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:23.880 And that self awareness is huge. And for Carson, he's 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:26.360 very smart, like I mentioned, and sometimes it's almost like 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:28.440 he thinks too much out there. You know, you want 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:31.080 to be able to see him. Uh. You know, it's 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:33.320 good that he's going through his res hie to low, 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:36.760 you know, but sometimes he's passing up uh. You know, 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:39.800 a window that might not be you know, open by 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:41.960 a large margin, but in the NFL that's open. You 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:43.559 have to hit it. And so sometimes I just want 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:45.679 to see him think less and just react. I think 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:48.040 you make a great point because there's some throws he 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:52.720 made again to the outside. Uh, you know, on the 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:56.319 third down play, I think it was the more Chris Moore. 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:58.960 I mean he hits, Yeah, he hits Chris Moore. He's 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:01.320 stand in the middle of the pocket and it's disintegrating 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:04.040 and he's standing there and he lets that thing fly 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:07.800 and exactly and it gets there. You know, NFL ball, 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.400 not a college I mean NFL ball, And it's right 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:13.120 where more has to make that catch. That's a catch 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:15.720 that and then Burbridge in practice on the slant I 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:18.320 showed that one too. It clangs off these are NFL 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:21.720 type throws, you know, And so where where I have 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:25.240 him in my mind is I had him in that 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:29.320 twenty to twenty eight kind of range. But you might 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:32.000 be right about you know, you know, and we'll get 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:33.480 it on your mock draft because you put him in 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:35.720 a different spot. But I don't think we know where 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:38.000 any of these quarterbacks are gonna go. That That's the 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:41.440 problem I'm running into right now, is that, Okay, is 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:45.240 he better than I have him? Still behind the other two? 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:48.480 In my mind, I still have him in Paxson Lynch. 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:50.400 It's no secret. I've talked about it a bunch on 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:53.200 Twitter and all that. Paxon Lynch is my guy, you know. 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:57.679 But this team, you know, at four quarterbacks in play, 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:00.679 yea quarterback is definitely in play. And and I want 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:02.960 to ask you though, it had to be a huge 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:07.840 It had to be a very beneficial for for Carson 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:11.280 Wentz to be able to work with the Cowboy coaches. 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:14.320 I mean, that was sbsolutely and you knew that that 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:17.400 was going to be his biggest benefit because on the 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:19.960 other side it was Jacoby Bursaid and Jay Coker, and 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:22.800 those are good quarterbacks. But for him to get the attention. 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:25.520 And I remember hearing from a couple of the scouts, 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:28.920 just in whispers in the halls about Carson Wentz before 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:31.920 he was even this name, that he's become right closer 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:33.959 to the draft. Right. But I had heard of him 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:36.360 from a couple of scouts. Hey take a look at hey, 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:38.600 And I was like, who is this guy? I had 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:42.240 heard of North Dakota State obviously winning five national championships. 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:45.280 But yes, to work with the coaches and to be 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:48.760 with Garrett and Wade Wilson and Scott Lanahan one on 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:51.720 one them to see, oh, you know what, this guy 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:54.720 is good. He needs to just stop over analyzing everything 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:57.280 and we can help him with that, with confidence and 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:01.440 you know, working through things, just study. Yeah, So they'll 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:04.199 see that and they'll take that into consideration. The quarterback 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:05.880 lights you up there, I mean, and not to the 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:08.720 point where you're gonna make it's this massive two three 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:11.120 round run right, No, And there was nothing like that. 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:14.120 It's obviously Carson Wentz than these other guys. Right. Um. 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:17.120 I like Jeff Driscoll, I think the tools are there. 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.719 I worry about um. You know, we mentioned it was 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:22.520 Carson Wentz, but with Driscoll thinking too much. I don't 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:26.040 know how quick he sees things, doesn't anticipate. I worry 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:29.559 about that. Brandon Allan from kans There you go. I'm 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:33.199 leaving the horse to water here. I'm a Brandon Allen fan. Sure, 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:35.200 a couple of I mean eight and a half inch 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.400 hands at the way end, it's a red flag right 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.000 especial he's gonna tell He's gonna tell you well, and 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:43.400 you know it's it's not like bigger hands means you're 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:47.280 a bigger quarterback, but smaller hands. There are concerns because 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:49.600 of ball security. You know, your grip on the ball, 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:52.280 especially if you go to a place like Cleveland. Yes, 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:54.040 and you're gonna have to deal with some bad weather. 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:57.360 Um it's more about a threshold. You know. For a 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:00.480 lot of NFL teams, unless you have nine a quarter 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:03.120 in chance, they won't even consider you. Right. So for 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:06.440 Brandon Allen, uh, he needed to go to practice in 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:08.320 the game and show well, and I think he did. 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:10.600 And I think he has great tape to back to 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:12.840 back it up. Absolutely was the best quarterback in the 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:16.000 SEC this past year. Um, So I think Brandon Allen 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:18.600 he has the tape that's gonna make scouts take notice. 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:21.679 But the physical limitations you worry a little bit about that. 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:25.400 Is he better than an AJ McCarron. See, that's what 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:28.000 And now that's now when you start started hard, because 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:31.080 we've seen AJ mccarren start in the NFL and he's done. Okay, yeah, 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:34.200 can I can Brandon Allen. But it's the same I 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:36.920 mean the same kind of physical traits. I mean maybe 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:39.719 not the small hands, but just the game. I think 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:42.120 he throws the ball better than AJ McCarn Yeah, And 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:45.120 I don't think you're wrong. I do think that Brandon Allen, 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:46.600 And he's the type of guy. I'm not sure he's 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:49.320 a starter at the NFL level, but I think he 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:51.240 can be like an AJ McCarron, step in if you 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:53.240 need him for a couple of stars. Right, And so 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:55.520 I think Brandon Allen. You're talking about the top quarterbacks 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:58.800 in this group, the top seniors. Brandon Allen's probably somewhere 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:01.200 in the top five seniors. Many tiers of quarterbacks do 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:03.360 you have in your mind? How many quarterbacks do you have? 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:05.600 What's hard? Because this quarterback class is so deep. I 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:07.600 mean last year we had what six quarterbacks drafted? This 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:09.360 year we might We're gonna have a dozen, okay, But 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:11.280 I'm just saying though, at the level, you have the 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:13.760 three that you think about, and then you have and 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:17.520 now it's that exactly, and then that third tier you 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:20.480 have that middle round guys that you think you can develop, 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:23.240 like the Jeff Driscolls, and I think Brandon Allen's probably 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:25.080 in there as well. Um, and then you have a 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:27.600 later round guys. So I think Allan's probably in that 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:29.720 middle round tier. You know the guy in the in 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:32.920 the six round, would he'd be better? A better Hogan better, 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:35.520 Briset better? And this is where you get you talk 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:37.800 about ice cream flavor. It's gonna be different around the 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:39.920 league because I know a lot of scouts like Hogan 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:42.960 and the intangibles of leadership. But in terms of pure 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:45.800 of quarterback play, I like Alan better. Yeah, and I 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:47.320 think and there are a lot of people that agree 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:49.640 with that. But again, the eight and a half inch 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:52.160 hands and a lot of these old physically he doesn't. 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:54.920 We're the press box, we're watching him. He looks smaller 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:57.400 than all the other quarterbacks. Stuff that Connor Cook, he 0:14:57.400 --> 0:14:59.440 brought up the name Connor Cooked. You're here. I wanted 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:02.640 to say something about Brandon Allen as far as meeting him, Okay, oh, okay, 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:06.360 he is an extremely impressive guy. Okay. He was the 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:08.400 first guy I spoke with, So I might be biased 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:11.640 just because he made a first impression. Yeah, but he 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:15.000 knew all of these things. Like you're talking about self awareness. 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:18.440 He was saying these things when our guys were interviewing 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:21.040 him and saying, yes, I know I have smaller hands, 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:23.560 Yes I know what you know. I played at Arkansas, 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:27.080 did these things. He is extremely self aware, at least 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:29.560 he seemed that way. Yeah. And you know the fact 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:32.400 is is that what he did at Arkansas was he 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:37.880 really developed night and day. You know the first two years. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:40.520 Over the summer, Yeah, undrafted grades that didn't even gi 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:42.560 him a chance. This past year as a senior, like 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:45.080 I said, the best quarterback in the SEC, he helped 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:47.400 himself tremendously over the last year. Well, you talk to 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:50.040 people who follow Arkansas and they'll tell you he stopped 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:53.320 making mistakes. He was a quarterback that was prone to 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:56.320 make bad mistakes. And if you watched the Toledo game, 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:58.800 it's one of the first ones. You're like a couple 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:01.320 of mistakes there in the red Son, you know, cost 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:03.520 him an opportunity. But then you watch the Old Miss 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:06.080 game and he's letting it rip. And I thought it 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:08.760 the Senior Bowl, I thought he was the most consistent 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:12.880 quarterback when you talk about practice all the way through practice, 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:15.840 some of these quarterbacks had days where they were this, 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:18.560 and then they go this, and then they'd come back 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:21.400 and then you know, so I was I was interested 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:25.760 in that Prescott gets the player of the game. Yeah, 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:28.720 I thought that. I thought that Brandon Allen out played 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:31.560 him myself, I think so. I mean the production was better. 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:33.640 I mean Prescott, give him credit. He you know, show 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:36.000 the team down on a scoring drive. But so to 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:38.280 Brandon Allen, Right, Brandon Allen had a good week. And 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:41.120 it's fair to point out too, the only reason Brandon 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:43.920 Allen was there is because Connor Cook pulled out, right, 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:47.160 the only reason if Connor Cook decide, Conner could decide 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:49.280 to go to Mobile. We don't see Brandon Allen. I'm 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:52.000 watching him at the Shrine game. So, um, well, good 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:54.960 USC quarterbacks should have taken a hike out something about that. 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.600 Decon dec Allen the helmet yea helps, Yeah, but for 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:00.480 good for Brandon Allen to get that opportunity and take well, 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:03.120 he maybe maybe elevating himself again. I'm not talking about 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:05.119 a massive running up the board, but at least people 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:07.879 have a little bit better idea. He does look small, 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.199 I mean, but I'm kind of thinking I'm looking at 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:12.359 a Jay McCarron, and I'm thinking he's a better a 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:14.840 J McCarron. In my mind, I'm just watching back and 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:18.240 buy that. Okay, defensive, I'll skip the defensive tackles because 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:20.600 we always talk about the defensive, but they seem to 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:23.920 be I mean Dolphins Washington though and then and then 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:26.920 talk about all the ranking. Didn't get to see him 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:29.000 in the game because of injury. But to me sellon 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:32.159 rankins he in my top fifty board that I released 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:34.120 before the Senior Bowl. I had him at twenty two. 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.600 He's moving up. He's better than the twenty second player 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:41.120 in this draft class. Uh Noah Spence East there ago, Yeah. 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:43.600 I mean, he was fantastic all week, the best pass 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:46.280 rusher um in Mobile and you can make the argument 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:48.320 he's the best pass rusher in this draft. I say 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:50.240 it all the time on Twitter, and you know what, 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:52.800 I'm okay with that. I have no problem throwing out 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:55.919 there that Noah Spence Kentucky is it. And you're an 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:59.119 Ohio State guy. You follow Ohio State though, and you 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:01.879 you know his history as far as when he was 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:05.560 at Ohio State, right better than Bosa am I right about? Yeah? 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:08.960 And as a pass rusher, absolutely so. And to be fair, 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:11.119 we talk a lot about Spence and how good he 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:13.560 is as a pass rusher. He has some issues against 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:16.240 the run. She's not a perfect prospect by any rides. 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:18.600 But you look at the Super Bowl teams that we have, 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:21.320 they can get to the quarterback, especially the Broncos. And 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:23.480 so if Noah Spence, if he can get to the 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:25.600 quarterback in the NFL, he's gonna play for a long time. 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:28.520 And as long as he stays clean off the field, 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:30.760 which a lot of people are believers in him. That's 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:32.280 why I think he's gonna end up in the first round, 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:34.960 even though his baggage says I'm a second third round pick, 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:38.159 project kind of guy, like a Tyron Matthew was. I 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:40.080 think someone's gonna take a chance. Yeah, there's a lot 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:42.320 of people right now that are looking at Tyron Matthew 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:44.359 and going, oh, how stupid do we feel? Yeah? Well, 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:46.320 it's tough. You have to take in each individual and 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:49.040 that's trick him down and trigure out what makes him tick. 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:51.920 And you know, I don't. I've heard some good things 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:53.880 coming out of the interview process at the Senior Bowl, 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:56.520 the way Spence handled himself. And again I've I've talked 0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:58.920 to his former coaches. I've talked to his former teammates. 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:01.159 They all speak very highly of him as a person. 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:04.760 More of a bad mistake, you know, type of thing, 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:07.280 but nothing that's, you know, long term that you really 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:09.879 have to worry about. Reminds me of a smaller version 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:12.520 of Robert Quinn than rammed out. Oh yeah, absolutely, fact, 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:14.720 did you get to meet with any of the defensive 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:16.879 line and anybody get to talk so about no spense. 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:19.240 I had known about that storyline going into the week, 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:21.520 and I'd read a couple of different articles I just 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:24.560 found and I thought it was interesting though, because sometimes 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:27.040 when you've seen these guys make these mistakes as far 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:30.120 as what he did, and that was an addiction, Right, 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:33.920 he went to Eastern Kentucky and he still continued to 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:37.680 produce well and maybe he still had a high performance, right, 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:40.639 which is interesting because if he was this guy who's 0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:43.160 still struggling or something. You might have seen him kind 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:46.760 of even now plateau or even decrease in certain things. 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:50.480 But what I appreciate but appreciate about him is that 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:54.479 he's continuing to excel and work harder and show like 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:57.320 you're saying, this was a mistake, and you know, I'm 0:19:57.400 --> 0:20:00.200 learning from it. I'm hoping to get better. I still 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:03.000 have this possibility and dream. And one area where he 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:05.160 deserves a lot of credit is after he got kicked 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:08.119 out of Ohio State, he almost went pro, and he 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:10.280 had that opportunity. He would have been drafted probably in 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:13.200 the six seventh round, sure, but he decided to transfer 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:15.960 to rebuild that draft stock and show that, hey, I'm 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:19.480 a good player. He was drug tested over a dozen 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:22.920 times at Eastern Kentucky. He told the coaches, please drug 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:26.320 test me as much as possible, and he passed every test. 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:30.080 So now you know, going forward, where is he going 0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:32.080 to end up in the draft. He's a wildcard, true 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:34.800 wild card, but again somewhere in the top twenty, somebody's 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:38.120 gonna get announced. Players and and and you said, case 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:41.040 by case, Will McClay and I asked him about that 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:44.159 box players. You know, case by case, Brian, it's you 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:46.280 know some days, you know you got to figure it out. 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:48.640 You were talking about, hey, his game is going this 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:50.560 way as far as off the field stuff, you're talking 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:53.160 about his ability real quick. Before we go to break though, 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:57.040 the talk of the buzz of practice was another Ohio 0:20:57.080 --> 0:21:01.840 State guy, Braxton Miller, and so again another wildcard potentially. 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:03.560 I mean, you've talked about him as a top sixty 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:05.720 type player though he is, and I had him in 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:07.880 my first round mock this this week. I think that 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:09.520 it would not shock me at all if he ends 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:11.280 up there. You look at some of these receivers that 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:13.200 have gone first round and you know the past couple 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:15.560 of years in the late first round, Braxon Miller can 0:21:15.640 --> 0:21:18.639 certainly end up there. He's still it's clear that he 0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:21.119 obviously needs a lot of work mechanically with his routes. 0:21:21.880 --> 0:21:23.639 You know, we saw him take five six steps at 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:25.280 the top of route, so he still needs work. He 0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:27.640 had to drop pass in the game, but he impressed 0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:30.600 me with his hands throughout the week, very natural, quick reflexes. 0:21:30.880 --> 0:21:33.160 So I think Braxon Miller, he's going to be more 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:35.960 of a gadget player as a rookie. But by year two, 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:37.679 he's gonna be pushing for a start out role. So 0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:39.840 you had a chance to meet with Braxon Miller. Yeah, 0:21:39.880 --> 0:21:43.200 Braxon Miller stepped aside and talked to us. He's got 0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:47.040 the flash, he and he knows it. He exactly, you know, 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:50.119 he knows that, Hey, I was this big stug quarterback, right, 0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:53.320 I decided that the best thing for my game is 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:56.480 to take the wide receiver game. And he's just got 0:21:56.640 --> 0:22:00.480 he's got this air about him. Deva like very much. 0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:04.280 So Scott, this is diva. You know my name, I 0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:06.760 don't know your name kind of thing, which is an 0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:10.800 NFL wide receiver, right, the flash but what I don't 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:14.440 even know your name? But yeah, it does knows. So 0:22:14.600 --> 0:22:16.480 the thing that I would worry about him is that 0:22:16.560 --> 0:22:18.359 he's going to go in and be like, I'm fine, 0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:21.000 they want me on their team. I'm a name, you 0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:24.520 want me. Yeah, we'll see the interesting guy though. I 0:22:24.520 --> 0:22:27.040 mean he's a he's a he's an interesting cat. He's 0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:30.200 been Columbus and Ohio State media have been all over him. 0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:32.760 So he's very well rehearsed. And you know he's been 0:22:32.840 --> 0:22:35.000 through all this before all these questions. He used to 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:41.280 this exposure. Carson Wentz is probably not in Braxon. He's 0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:44.280 a true competitor. The biggest concern I have with him 0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:46.280 can he stay healthy? Yeah? I think the durability. It's 0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:47.879 a little different when you're going over the middle and 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:50.199 you have safeties and linebackers about to pop you. So 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:53.760 I think Braxon Miller can be a good pro. Biggest 0:22:53.800 --> 0:22:55.679 thing I worry about Kenny stay healthy. Yeah, And that's 0:22:55.680 --> 0:22:56.959 funny you say that, and then I'll let you get 0:22:57.000 --> 0:22:59.639 to break. But Wednesday, we're watching practice and he sits 0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:03.080 down with doctor Jim walks over and I'm like, yeah, 0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:05.720 not get trainer Jim. Yeah. I'm like, oh no, but 0:23:06.080 --> 0:23:08.560 he was fine. But you're right, well, that he made 0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:10.520 through the game in that is key. But I think 0:23:10.520 --> 0:23:12.600 he's another one. He's walker. I like what you're saying. 0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:15.560 Top sixty could very well be a first round player. Okay, 0:23:15.880 --> 0:23:17.840 we're gonna to step aside here for just a moment. 0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:20.840 We'll be back from the SWBC Mortgage studios. You're listening 0:23:20.840 --> 0:23:23.840 to the Draft show, and we right back Papa John here. 0:23:24.080 --> 0:23:27.040 People say, oh, think about a pizza. 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We are indeed 0:25:26.440 --> 0:25:29.080 on the clock here at the Draft show, Dame Burglar, 0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:33.240 Taylor Stern Brian brought us song with Ken Garrison, Executive producer, 0:25:33.280 --> 0:25:35.479 Thank you so much for joining us. As always, we 0:25:35.520 --> 0:25:39.520 always appreciate the interaction we have with the fans, the 0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:42.879 folks that maybe are cowboy fans, maybe the guy's gals 0:25:42.880 --> 0:25:45.440 that aren't cowboy fans that were uns fan already asking 0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:48.760 you a question. That's good and we encourage that. And 0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:52.480 we're gonna do a little segment that that Ed K 0:25:52.680 --> 0:25:55.000 Hill came up with several years ago. We got the 0:25:55.000 --> 0:25:58.760 show started called Twitter on the twenty, Twitter on the twenty. 0:25:59.040 --> 0:26:01.520 It's nice to have our little uh big voice guy 0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:04.840 bring that back, uh do Usually David Hellman's in the chair, 0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:07.880 but Taylor Stern was nice enough to come in and 0:26:08.000 --> 0:26:11.320 uh substitute. A matter of fact, Dave might be substituted 0:26:11.320 --> 0:26:13.880 for permanently. He's not good. He's not very good enough. 0:26:14.119 --> 0:26:17.159 He's not now. He's not so now we'll know if 0:26:17.160 --> 0:26:20.119 you listened or not. He's he's out. He knows I 0:26:20.119 --> 0:26:22.919 would be talking badly about him. All right, take us 0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:24.800 take us down the past. It's gonna go as I 0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:27.160 see them. And if I mess up your name. I apologize. 0:26:27.200 --> 0:26:29.600 I'm just reading them as quickly and as easy as 0:26:29.600 --> 0:26:32.320 I can. Sounds good, okay. Philippe wants to know who 0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:34.919 are the RBS running backs fitting in our scheme that 0:26:34.920 --> 0:26:38.200 could be available round three to five. We'll get that 0:26:38.240 --> 0:26:41.119 a crack there. Dane guy we saw in mobile with 0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:43.399 Kenneth Thick. Oh, how about that. It's a good start. 0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:45.720 I mean, he some people think he might go in 0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:47.760 the second round. I think third rounds kind of the 0:26:47.760 --> 0:26:51.680 spot for him. To me. Yeah, he has a lot 0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:56.439 of a lot of miles on his on him, but 0:26:56.560 --> 0:26:57.879 you know, I think he can do everything well. I 0:26:57.920 --> 0:27:00.359 don't think he stands out in one particular area. This 0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:02.399 is what he does really well, right, But he's just 0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:06.040 steady across the board, catch a ball in the backfield, quickness, power, 0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:08.000 a lot of things there that you want. Yeah, and 0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:10.560 I'll tell you what too. Make sure you check out 0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:14.480 Booker two from Utah, precise from Notre Dame. I'm talking 0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:18.240 about Howard from Indiana Collins Art. These are all guys 0:27:18.280 --> 0:27:21.639 at Yeah, someone's gonna figure this out. Maybe more like 0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:24.240 Tay two three four, kind of those kind of in 0:27:24.280 --> 0:27:26.040 that middle of the thing. If you want to go 0:27:26.080 --> 0:27:28.119 down a little bit further in the draft though. You 0:27:28.160 --> 0:27:30.960 know I didn't mention Henry. I know some people have 0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:34.200 Henry little higher. I know you would probably got Kelvin 0:27:34.200 --> 0:27:38.840 Taylor from Florida would be another one. Taylor's son, Fred 0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:41.240 Taylor's son. I was with mc Jacksoncuy. I'm an old man. 0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:45.119 I time Fred Taylor's Florida. But yeah, those are the 0:27:45.160 --> 0:27:49.480 types of names, Drake Perkins, Urban, these are all. It's 0:27:49.520 --> 0:27:51.560 a good run of running backs suit there if you 0:27:51.600 --> 0:27:54.000 want to just suit out this entire draft. Okay, next one, 0:27:54.280 --> 0:27:56.840 we lack speed at wide receiver. Who's on your radar 0:27:57.119 --> 0:27:59.720 that can help with special teams in round three or 0:27:59.720 --> 0:28:05.160 four special teams receiver? So I'm first thought I thought 0:28:05.240 --> 0:28:07.879 was Braxton Miller was doing some punt return stuff. He 0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:10.080 obviously has a natural speed, but he probably is not 0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:12.280 a three or four guy A bunch Moore Fuller from 0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:15.840 rootre Dame. Yeah, he's he'll take the top off a defense. Yeah. Now, 0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:18.280 he's a player that I think similar to Devin Smith 0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:20.280 last year. He can step in, he can, he can 0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:21.840 work as a gunner, he can, he can help you 0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:23.760 out on special teams. I was just talking about speed, 0:28:23.800 --> 0:28:27.679 how about made the May kid from Miss j He 0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:31.080 impressed Mail. Yeah, in Mobile. I liked him in Minnesota, 0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:33.720 but you know, obviously under size, not the fastest, but 0:28:33.760 --> 0:28:36.560 he's quick, very quick, and so I said, he's very 0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:39.400 Duayne Harrislide because he had two tackles on special teams, 0:28:39.400 --> 0:28:41.600 on a kickoff team, and then also they threw him, 0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:43.560 they ran him on some reverses. They tried to get 0:28:43.600 --> 0:28:45.680 him to football. He was one of if you watched 0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:48.440 when the Jacksonville coaches Jerry soul Of my old guy, 0:28:48.600 --> 0:28:51.640 when they were doing the stock and engaged drills. He 0:28:52.480 --> 0:28:54.959 was going at it with side Jones and kJ May. 0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:57.440 He's a Mobile native and so a lot of us thought, well, 0:28:57.440 --> 0:29:01.479 he's getting the mercy. And he played if he belonged there. 0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:02.920 He was one of the top five receivers of the 0:29:02.920 --> 0:29:05.400 Minnesota May. Keep an eye on our guy, Damien Wilson 0:29:05.440 --> 0:29:07.959 here was pumping him all week. Minnesota guy. All right, 0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:10.280 let's just make this one quick, justin who are you 0:29:10.320 --> 0:29:14.160 taking at four between Jack and Spence? To me, it's Jack. 0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:17.400 I mean I like Spence quite a bit. To me, Jack, 0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:19.280 he's see, that's what we're going to get a bunch 0:29:19.280 --> 0:29:21.440 of these questions, so we'll just rule through ut. Yeah, 0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:24.880 would you guys prefer Jack or Elliott plus a third? Okay? There, 0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:27.840 somebody's talking about it, like talking about moving back and 0:29:27.960 --> 0:29:30.720 picking up an extra pick in this draft and to 0:29:30.840 --> 0:29:33.080 get Elliott, you're gonna go out of the top ten. 0:29:33.080 --> 0:29:34.560 A you're gonna keep it and you can stay inside 0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:37.080 the top ten. Well, if I want, if my purpose 0:29:37.120 --> 0:29:39.840 of moving back is to get Elliott, then I feel 0:29:39.840 --> 0:29:41.400 like I have to get him within the top ten. 0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:43.720 I mean I look at the Giants number ten. Yeah, 0:29:43.760 --> 0:29:46.520 I think that's a possibility. There's some other spots. So 0:29:46.960 --> 0:29:49.160 people say they might go defense there. Oh I think, 0:29:49.360 --> 0:29:52.160 oh yeah, sure absolutely. But it's similar to the Rams 0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:54.680 last year, where you know they thought the Rams are 0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:57.800 gonna do but at some point Zeke just is too 0:29:57.880 --> 0:30:01.440 good to pass up. And with all Ben mculdoo, the 0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:03.400 Giant's head coach, you know he wants balance, you know, 0:30:03.400 --> 0:30:06.280 he's a passing guy. The chance to bring in Zeke, 0:30:06.680 --> 0:30:09.000 I'm not saying it's going to happen, but has a 0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:11.760 good chance to happen. They can take the running back 0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:14.440 in the third. Get ready. Yeah, when I read that, 0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:17.120 on your mock draft this week. I was like, Oh, no, 0:30:17.680 --> 0:30:20.560 we're gonna just be you know, facing the Giants two 0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:23.280 times a year. We got a zeke on the ground, 0:30:23.360 --> 0:30:26.160 we got Odell over here, And I was like, no, 0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:28.640 that's why it's a possibility, because every other team in 0:30:28.680 --> 0:30:31.720 the division's gonna have that same reaction. Oh, it's just brutal. 0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:33.880 When I saw that, was like, they could do that, 0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:36.640 and it would be extremely smart. You would have to 0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:38.760 find a way. Then you got to find a trading partner, 0:30:38.760 --> 0:30:40.920 and you gotta find somebody that's willing to dance up 0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:43.280 there and who wants to trade up. And that's what 0:30:43.360 --> 0:30:45.240 we're gonna try. And and we got to figure out 0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:47.280 though in this draft, folks, when you ask these questions, 0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:50.520 figure out what you're coming for. I mean, hey, which 0:30:50.880 --> 0:30:54.320 it sounds real nice and easy. Hey, Jerry's gonna pick 0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:56.440 up the phone. Hey, San Francisco, we want your third. 0:30:57.560 --> 0:31:00.440 You know, you need something, You need somebody, and it 0:31:00.520 --> 0:31:02.760 might be it might be what if bosas on the 0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:05.920 board or somebody that somebody coverts, you know, maybe the 0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:08.600 receiver they cover it. Maybe it's Jack they cover it. 0:31:08.880 --> 0:31:12.000 Dallas is in a good position, get a guy, especially 0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:14.120 like you say, a lot of people have or higher 0:31:14.120 --> 0:31:19.120 on Bosa than I am. And that's okay. But the quarterbacks, quarterbacks, 0:31:19.120 --> 0:31:22.440 to look at the Rams sitting there, they're moving to La. Yeah, 0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:26.640 who's their quarterback? Nick Foley, case Keenum. They need a 0:31:26.720 --> 0:31:28.680 quarterback and the face of the franchise. Do they wait 0:31:28.760 --> 0:31:33.640 at fifteen and hope a pass fish you're moving? Do 0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:36.280 they love someone enough that, hey, I'm gonna move up 0:31:36.480 --> 0:31:38.960 and get my quarterback. I'm not gonna hope they're thinking. 0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:41.120 I'm sending out these brochures for people to buy season 0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:43.600 tickets and we're gonna put Nick Foles out. Wait a minute, 0:31:43.600 --> 0:31:45.440 did you guys just tell me you're gonna drop from 0:31:45.480 --> 0:31:48.200 four to fifteen to make I'm just saying possible trade partners. 0:31:48.280 --> 0:31:51.040 I mean, in order to trade back guys, our teams 0:31:51.080 --> 0:31:52.960 have to want to move up and just looking at 0:31:52.960 --> 0:31:54.800 teams that might want to have that in claim the 0:31:54.880 --> 0:31:57.680 Rams are aggressive team. You're right right out there, okay, Drain, 0:31:58.240 --> 0:32:00.800 I hope I said that right? What draft great do 0:32:00.840 --> 0:32:04.440 you give Martin? After the Senior Bowl? Nick Martin? Nick Martin, 0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:06.800 he was a third rounder going away though he was 0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:08.520 a third round or third round when we leave, I 0:32:08.520 --> 0:32:12.040 gotta can play center or guard. Just a not quite 0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:14.960 as physically gifted version of his brother, right, So that 0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:17.800 versatility's key. But I thought he had a nice week 0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:23.600 in movie. You know, he's not as strong. I'll say 0:32:23.640 --> 0:32:26.120 he's a he's a great position I mean just position 0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:29.640 block or kind of thing. Blithe, the kid from Iowa, 0:32:29.760 --> 0:32:33.160 I thought was the best center in the day. Yeah, 0:32:33.280 --> 0:32:35.640 and I like what he did playing guard too. Keep 0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:37.720 an eye on Blie. I like Jack Allen better the 0:32:37.720 --> 0:32:42.760 Michigan State set. Okay, yeah, both these big ten guys. 0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:46.320 What and Jack Allen he looks he doesn't look like 0:32:46.320 --> 0:32:49.320 he belongs on an NFL just not physically impressive, but 0:32:49.680 --> 0:32:52.200 low man wins. He understands that. Yeah, and he works 0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:54.560 hard to finish. So I think Jack Allen really impressed 0:32:54.640 --> 0:32:57.480 Jack Allen on tape. I agree with what you're saying. 0:32:57.720 --> 0:33:00.320 People are gonna fall in love with Kelly from Alabama. 0:33:00.680 --> 0:33:03.000 I think it's a good year. If you need a center, 0:33:03.200 --> 0:33:05.720 very good you can find. Again, a lot of teams 0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:09.040 do a fourth round. We're going to see these centers 0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:11.320 come off the board, absolutely all right. I've seen a 0:33:11.360 --> 0:33:13.200 couple of these questions. So let's just get this out 0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:15.600 of the way. What is the total amount of picture 0:33:15.800 --> 0:33:21.880 including picks for the Cowboys? Well, we won't know until yeah, officially, 0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:24.960 officially until the owner's meetings here and the first weekend 0:33:25.000 --> 0:33:28.240 in Marching. Like that, right, they're thinking that doubt. And 0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:33.280 I've just seen some projections. A four and three sixes 0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:37.680 is what I've heard from from just projections. Again, don't 0:33:37.800 --> 0:33:40.280 take me to tap, but that that's some people have 0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:43.440 done some research on this and what the balance is? 0:33:43.640 --> 0:33:46.720 It sound like a four and potentially three sixes to 0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:49.040 go with that. So you don't have a fifth, Yeah, 0:33:49.040 --> 0:33:51.520 you don't have a fifth. So add everything else up 0:33:51.560 --> 0:33:53.440 with what I next thing on. It's really on our 0:33:53.520 --> 0:33:56.320 radar as the combine coming up, that's gonna be there 0:33:56.400 --> 0:33:59.000 February twenty third, twenty fourth, something like that, and then 0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:01.120 after that that's well, have a better idea of the 0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:05.320 projection and the three sixes potentially. How do you feel 0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:08.319 about drafting Dak Prescott in the three four rounds? Maybe 0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:11.800 a way to get immediate playmakers and a quarterback to develop, 0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:15.160 and I think it's clay. What do you what do 0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:16.759 you think Dak Prescott can be. Do you think he 0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:18.719 could be a future starter? To me, I don't. I 0:34:18.760 --> 0:34:20.319 think it could be a solid backup in this league. 0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:22.120 I give him a lot of credit. Last year I 0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:24.160 thought he was a thrower. Yeah, you know, I don't 0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:25.800 like the way he throws. I mean I like his 0:34:25.920 --> 0:34:29.200 throwing ideal, Right, but he's he said a lot of 0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:31.600 records in the SEC. Well, he and he became much 0:34:31.600 --> 0:34:33.360 more of a passer this past year. I mean you 0:34:33.360 --> 0:34:35.200 could see it develop it and I give him a 0:34:35.239 --> 0:34:37.640 lot of credit. I think he is a much better 0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:39.759 version of Tim Tebow. I mean, he's what people wanted 0:34:39.800 --> 0:34:41.399 Tim Tebow to be when he was in the league 0:34:41.400 --> 0:34:43.720 when he was drafted first round. That's who Dak Prescott 0:34:43.719 --> 0:34:45.440 could be. But at the same time, I'm not sure 0:34:45.480 --> 0:34:47.160 I see an NFL starter. I see a guy that 0:34:47.160 --> 0:34:49.600 can be a backup. So where how early do you 0:34:49.600 --> 0:34:52.480 feel comfortable drafting a backup? To me? That's more fourth ka. 0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:55.600 We talked about the levels of levels of quarterback. Where 0:34:55.600 --> 0:34:57.640 does he fit in the levels of quarterbacks? Probably in 0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:00.319 there with Dress, Drift School and Allen Yeah, you right 0:35:00.360 --> 0:35:04.080 after them, Hogan, right exactly in that middle rounds. Yeah, 0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:06.240 it'd be interesting how these quarterbacks come off the board. 0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:08.319 And that's interesting that you're talking about how deep this 0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:10.680 class is, because what you're going to have from this 0:35:10.760 --> 0:35:13.360 class is you're going to have a couple of Matt Castles, 0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:15.959 people who have been in the league for a very 0:35:16.040 --> 0:35:19.960 long time. They've benefited from being kind of a professional 0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:23.279 backup for lack of a better term, and we may 0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:26.200 see that come out of this class, especially because a 0:35:26.200 --> 0:35:28.400 lot of these guys are kind of like that, you 0:35:28.520 --> 0:35:31.040 just swarm on your team. He's been preaching this all along, 0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:33.440 and I think he's right. I'm finally catching up to 0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:36.240 you on this. A lot of guys maybe not potential starters, 0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:38.040 but then but all of a sudden, you use them 0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:40.560 as a backup and then they get it and like 0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:43.000 just what Tay said, all of a sudden, you're seeing 0:35:43.000 --> 0:35:45.200 a guy and it's like, oh, we remember talking about 0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:48.160 him on the Draft show. It really didn't Fitzpatrick. Yeah, 0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:49.440 we didn't. We didn't feel like he was Yeah, we 0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:51.000 didn't feel like he was a start at that time. 0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:52.919 But now all of a sudden, boom, things come on. 0:35:53.160 --> 0:35:55.280 He's in the right system, he's with the right offense, 0:35:55.400 --> 0:35:57.759 right scheme, and it makes it work. And this year 0:35:57.880 --> 0:36:00.239 the Senior Bowl usually only takes six quarterbacks. This they 0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:02.720 at eight, and the Strine Game still had some quality 0:36:02.760 --> 0:36:08.359 quarterback prospects with Brandon Dowdy and Jake Rudoc Michigan. Yeah. Yeah, 0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:10.680 so this quarterback claws just really really deep in terms 0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:13.160 of players that you might want to develop them. There 0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:15.880 might be something there. Yeah. That's just the most interesting 0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:18.919 thing to me about the quarterback position is because it's 0:36:18.920 --> 0:36:21.839 so temperamental, Like you're saying, you know, are you with 0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:24.759 the right offense, are you with the right coaches? Are 0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:28.120 these people really helping you get play? Yeah? Are you 0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:30.239 training right so that when you get do go to 0:36:30.280 --> 0:36:33.120 the combine, if you get invited, that you're able to 0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:35.800 show your best. So it's interesting, all right, if Jalen 0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:38.880 Smith was healthy, who would be ranked hire? Who are 0:36:38.920 --> 0:36:41.879 your pro comparisons to him? Josh wants to know. Josh 0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:44.759 wants to know your pro comparisons to Jalen Smith. He's 0:36:44.800 --> 0:36:48.319 tough because he's such a freak athlete. Yeah, he's twitchy. Hey, 0:36:48.360 --> 0:36:50.520 he moves around with these he looks like a safety 0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:53.640 running around out there. Um, you know, I heard the 0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:57.879 Bobby Wagner comparisons a little bit. I don't mind that one. Um, 0:36:59.120 --> 0:37:03.000 But if even if he was healthy, Jack still top linebacker, right, Yeah, 0:37:03.000 --> 0:37:06.640 I had tagged or touching, you know, in my mind 0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:09.600 even though I projected Jack to play. Is that I 0:37:09.680 --> 0:37:11.520 like what I'm hearing. I like what I'm seeing him. 0:37:11.560 --> 0:37:14.720 We're seeing some like some little little bits of video 0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:17.680 coming out about Jack moving around, going through the bag. 0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:20.319 DRIs to be a full participant at the combine. So 0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:22.960 if that's the case, by all means, let's go and 0:37:22.960 --> 0:37:25.680 and and to me that tape. You watch either tape, 0:37:25.680 --> 0:37:28.640 he would be happy with either one of those players 0:37:28.640 --> 0:37:31.759 if they were on your team. Well, Vernon Hargraves be 0:37:31.840 --> 0:37:35.040 an option for the Cowboys at first at the fourth 0:37:35.120 --> 0:37:37.160 at the fourth pick. If not, if you watch him 0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:40.040 grittish teeth there. Okay, Well the second part of the question, 0:37:40.360 --> 0:37:42.880 if not, what are his downside? So you can answer 0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:46.800 that size? Yeah, I think he doesn't always play big. 0:37:46.880 --> 0:37:48.520 And I don't think that for a corner that's going 0:37:48.560 --> 0:37:52.000 to measure under five eleven ye, Um, that that really 0:37:52.080 --> 0:37:55.000 hurts them. And I think that shows at times on tape. Now, 0:37:55.000 --> 0:37:58.080 he's a really competitive kid. He's a coach's son. I 0:37:58.160 --> 0:38:01.160 love the instincts, the aggressiveness, There's a lot of things 0:38:01.160 --> 0:38:03.239 you love about him. He's a first round player. But 0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:05.839 to take him at four, he better be a guy 0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:08.160 that I'm he's stepping in from day one and he's 0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:09.839 gonna be a big impact for him. Me and I 0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:13.520 don't think that he consistently plays up to the competition 0:38:13.520 --> 0:38:15.600 now he's facing some of these bigger wide receivers. Sometimes 0:38:15.600 --> 0:38:17.279 he just he just doesn't have an answer for would 0:38:17.280 --> 0:38:20.880 you rather? Would you rather take say Ramsey as a 0:38:21.200 --> 0:38:24.439 safety prospect at four and then try there? There's enough 0:38:24.480 --> 0:38:27.439 corners in this draft in my opinion, Apple kid, There's 0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:31.960 some kids. Yeah, there's enough guy Apple and Clemson's Alexander. 0:38:32.120 --> 0:38:34.440 Would you rate them? For Give me some guys with 0:38:34.600 --> 0:38:37.640 some length, give me some guys that and that's what again, 0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:39.839 when when you talk about when when you talk about 0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:43.160 Alexander and you talk about the Florida kid, you're talking 0:38:43.200 --> 0:38:46.200 about smaller guys, you know, And even though the smaller 0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:49.919 guys side Jones the other day played well, I thought, 0:38:49.920 --> 0:38:53.280 you know, there's some shorter guys, but man, this league 0:38:53.360 --> 0:38:55.360 is about getting in there and playing with you know, 0:38:55.440 --> 0:38:58.840 knocking balls away, being rangey, being tall, being able to 0:38:58.880 --> 0:39:01.239 physically handle things on the end. That doesn't mean he 0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:02.880 can't play. Of course, there's a spot for him in 0:39:02.920 --> 0:39:05.359 the NFL, but we're talking about taking a corner at 0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:08.319 number four. Overall, I just think there'll be better players there, 0:39:08.600 --> 0:39:11.000 all right. So g Money must have not seen your 0:39:11.160 --> 0:39:13.840 mock draft because he said love the show. I'm a 0:39:13.880 --> 0:39:16.960 Browns fan, and I know Dana is from Northeastern Ohio. 0:39:17.400 --> 0:39:20.919 Do you think Wentz maybe Brown's pick at number two? 0:39:21.000 --> 0:39:23.400 And you did say about this, I have to have 0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:25.680 Wentz at number two to the Browns. I mean, he's 0:39:25.680 --> 0:39:30.120 in the discussion. The Browns obviously need to find that quarterback, 0:39:30.160 --> 0:39:33.000 and in this draft there's a few enticing options with 0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:36.440 Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, maybe Paxson Lynch. And to me, 0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:39.799 Wentz represents the anti man Zell for Cleveland. I mean, 0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:42.880 there's just so many things about Wentz that is the 0:39:42.920 --> 0:39:47.239 opposite of Johnny Football. So you know, Wentz is not 0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:51.080 a perfect prospect. Obviously, he has some question marks, especially 0:39:51.080 --> 0:39:54.279 coming from the FCS level. But if the Browns are 0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:56.160 sold on him as a guy that can lead them 0:39:56.200 --> 0:39:58.920 to the playoffs down the road you have to take. 0:39:59.000 --> 0:40:01.960 Let's not talk Johnny, but is once a comparison to 0:40:02.040 --> 0:40:06.360 Brandon Whedon, not just the He's a much better athlete 0:40:06.360 --> 0:40:08.520 than Brandon Weedon. I think that was a big That's 0:40:08.520 --> 0:40:11.040 the big downfall for Whedon is he just can't move 0:40:11.080 --> 0:40:13.600 in the pocket and there's a lot of other things. 0:40:13.600 --> 0:40:15.200 But Wentz is going to be able to do that, right. 0:40:15.600 --> 0:40:19.280 Carson Wentz is a souped up Alex Smith. He's bigger 0:40:19.480 --> 0:40:22.520 like that, a stronger arm. But you see the same intelligence, 0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:24.760 the same athleticism, the way they move in the pocket, 0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:27.839 outside the pocket, extending plays. So I think Carson Wentz 0:40:27.880 --> 0:40:29.480 and look at Alex Smith what he's being able to do. 0:40:29.520 --> 0:40:31.120 I think Carson Wentz is that type of player. Let 0:40:31.120 --> 0:40:33.640 me carry Gimney's questionable further for a Browns fan. Then 0:40:34.040 --> 0:40:36.879 would you see them potentially going best player and then 0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:39.880 waiting to the top of the second round to grab 0:40:40.040 --> 0:40:43.040 much like what San Diego did with La Danian, Tom 0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:45.640 would send and then Drew Brees. Would you see with 0:40:45.640 --> 0:40:48.160 with the with kind of the bad luck that you 0:40:48.160 --> 0:40:49.880 want to say that they've had with quarterbacks in the 0:40:49.920 --> 0:40:53.200 first round, could we see a flip where they say, 0:40:53.280 --> 0:40:55.719 let's just take the best player. They maybe they did 0:40:55.719 --> 0:40:57.640 that with the Quarner. They probably thought the quarner of 0:40:57.640 --> 0:41:00.239 the drafts from Oklaouma stay over. Gilbert's been up, been 0:41:00.280 --> 0:41:01.960 a bust for them, right, But when we have to 0:41:01.960 --> 0:41:05.120 remember there's a brand new regime there in Cleveland and 0:41:05.200 --> 0:41:08.960 Sashi Brown and that that brain trust. They're a big 0:41:08.960 --> 0:41:11.839 believer in the numbers. They're a big believer in I mean, 0:41:11.880 --> 0:41:14.040 they're very confident group. So if they think there's a 0:41:14.120 --> 0:41:16.759 quarterback that can lead into the playoffs, that's the pick. 0:41:16.800 --> 0:41:18.640 They're not gonna wait. And so they don't care about 0:41:18.640 --> 0:41:21.439 what anyone else thinks. They trust what they what their 0:41:21.440 --> 0:41:24.400 scouts say, and what they think. So I think a 0:41:24.480 --> 0:41:27.319 quarterback at number two, it's becoming more and more clear 0:41:27.440 --> 0:41:29.759 that I think that's the direction they go. Yeah, remember this, 0:41:29.840 --> 0:41:33.440 Hugh as a hut so he'll know all about that. 0:41:33.520 --> 0:41:36.680 And you know Hugh wants to get a quarterback run 0:41:36.800 --> 0:41:39.960 is off. Absolutely. Okay, that's it. We've got We've got 0:41:39.960 --> 0:41:42.000 them all. We've got them all. Okay, we're gonna take 0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:45.320 a break here from the SWBC Mortgage Studios Against the 0:41:45.400 --> 0:41:47.680 Draft Show, when we come back, we're gonna get to 0:41:47.800 --> 0:41:50.360 We're gonna take some phone calls and then get into 0:41:50.880 --> 0:41:53.760 Dane Brugler's mock draft and talks more about these players 0:41:53.760 --> 0:41:55.600 we'll see in just a minute. Introducing AT and T 0:41:55.800 --> 0:41:58.840 rollover data, you're unused, planned data automatically rolls over for 0:41:58.920 --> 0:42:01.680 one month. 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Thanks 0:44:10.600 --> 0:44:15.319 again for joining us today. We will continue on this 0:44:15.640 --> 0:44:18.640 route for the next few weeks. As Dame pointed out earlier, 0:44:19.120 --> 0:44:21.600 we've got the Combine coming up at the end of February, 0:44:21.640 --> 0:44:23.200 So the next couple of weeks we'll have the draft 0:44:23.200 --> 0:44:26.640 shows from here at our studios at Valley Ranch, and 0:44:26.680 --> 0:44:31.319 then we will all set sale for Indianapolis, and then, 0:44:31.400 --> 0:44:33.560 much like we did for the Senior Bowl, we'll have 0:44:33.680 --> 0:44:37.520 draft shows every day that we're in Indianapolis and hopefully 0:44:37.680 --> 0:44:40.520 have a lot of good content for you with interviews 0:44:40.640 --> 0:44:44.640 and stories and rumors, whatever you want to know, we'll 0:44:44.719 --> 0:44:48.720 figure it all out. So with that all being said, 0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:51.719 I'm gonna open up phones I'm gonna take a call 0:44:51.760 --> 0:44:53.680 here and then I want to get into your mock draft. 0:44:53.719 --> 0:44:55.919 So I got something holding Kent when we got today, 0:44:55.960 --> 0:44:59.719 Warren in Ohio, you're up, go ahead, you doing today? Good? 0:45:00.760 --> 0:45:03.880 All right? Uh? I was. I was thinking that, Dallas, 0:45:03.920 --> 0:45:06.000 we need to go ahead and we need to eat 0:45:06.000 --> 0:45:09.520 a draft a running back or another tight end or 0:45:09.760 --> 0:45:12.120 somebody in the middle of the defensive line, because I 0:45:12.120 --> 0:45:14.640 think we pretty sat at a quarterback. We got Romo 0:45:14.719 --> 0:45:19.280 already under contract for years, and if we do draft 0:45:19.280 --> 0:45:22.680 another quarterback, maybe do it next year, not this year. Okay, thanks, 0:45:22.760 --> 0:45:24.600 thank you Rauch for the call. And I don't think 0:45:24.640 --> 0:45:28.560 he I mean there. I think there's a large portion 0:45:28.600 --> 0:45:31.000 of Cowboys fans who agrees with that. Yeah, I mean 0:45:31.160 --> 0:45:33.040 you're you're picking a number four. You have a chance 0:45:33.080 --> 0:45:35.719 to pick a quarterback with a lot of potential, but 0:45:35.760 --> 0:45:37.680 that's all it is right now, with potential, a young 0:45:37.800 --> 0:45:40.600 kid who you hope could be something one day, but 0:45:40.760 --> 0:45:42.440 it's far from our sure thing. And you have a 0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:45.640 window right now with Romo to win. So I and 0:45:45.760 --> 0:45:47.799 I tend to agree. I as much as I would 0:45:47.800 --> 0:45:50.160 love to take one of these quarterbacks at four, I 0:45:50.239 --> 0:45:52.560 have a window right now to win and drafting a 0:45:52.600 --> 0:45:54.680 Miles Jack or a player like that can help my 0:45:54.760 --> 0:45:56.839 defense from day one and help me win in two 0:45:56.960 --> 0:46:01.560 N sixteen, would you draft huntsels forward? Not? I love Tonsil, 0:46:01.560 --> 0:46:03.759 he's the best player in this draft, but for this team, 0:46:03.840 --> 0:46:06.000 right I would not draft them for this team because 0:46:06.280 --> 0:46:07.840 at some point you have to pay all these guys, 0:46:08.160 --> 0:46:11.799 and my offensive line's already really really good. I need 0:46:11.840 --> 0:46:15.520 help elsewhere. Yeah, I am going to start saying what 0:46:15.560 --> 0:46:19.000 Brian is saying about minimizing the risk. It is and 0:46:19.200 --> 0:46:22.239 and it's balancing that, but you also have to be fearless. 0:46:22.400 --> 0:46:24.560 You know, you know you do, and it's a balance 0:46:24.960 --> 0:46:26.920 to how you do that. No, no, no, that will 0:46:26.920 --> 0:46:29.920 make the draft fascinating and impossible. It's same, But minimize 0:46:29.920 --> 0:46:32.359 a risk. Tation is willing to take a risk. Yeah, 0:46:32.400 --> 0:46:34.680 he'll take a risk, there's no doub about. But see, 0:46:34.719 --> 0:46:36.960 that's the thing about is I'm saying that just for 0:46:37.000 --> 0:46:39.319 that that that fourth pack, I think whoever, they could 0:46:39.360 --> 0:46:41.400 put five names on the board and one of those 0:46:41.480 --> 0:46:43.080 names is going to show up and they go ahead 0:46:43.080 --> 0:46:45.480 and pick him and that and that that's fine, but 0:46:45.520 --> 0:46:47.759 then you've got to think about Okay, minimize the risk 0:46:47.920 --> 0:46:50.759 of the names. Think about, Okay, would I really take 0:46:50.800 --> 0:46:52.600 this guy? Would I really take this guy? That's what 0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:54.480 I think it's gonna be really important for the board. 0:46:54.560 --> 0:46:56.520 I think they can they can gamble and do some 0:46:56.560 --> 0:46:59.520 things in the second, third, fourth round. I'm okay with that. 0:46:59.760 --> 0:47:03.600 At the top of that, and he mentioned interior defensive line. 0:47:03.800 --> 0:47:05.799 This this is gonna get a lot of help. There's 0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:08.480 going to be a double digit defensive tackles draft in 0:47:08.480 --> 0:47:10.879 the top fifties. So when you're sitting there at thirty four, 0:47:11.160 --> 0:47:13.960 that's prime location, prime real estate for one of these 0:47:14.000 --> 0:47:16.239 defensive tackles to fall to you right, whether that's a 0:47:16.360 --> 0:47:19.279 Vernon Butler and Austin Johnson. I think Andrew Billings could 0:47:19.320 --> 0:47:21.719 be there. I don't think he's a lock first round pick. 0:47:22.000 --> 0:47:23.960 I think it's possible he could be there. So I'm 0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:26.839 sitting at thirty four and i'm's your best tackle. I'm 0:47:26.840 --> 0:47:30.719 looking one technique Billings, No, I like drawn read better 0:47:30.880 --> 0:47:36.000 at Alabama. I have him above, and I also Sheldon Rankins. 0:47:36.000 --> 0:47:38.200 He moved up. He's my number two defensive tackle overall. 0:47:38.280 --> 0:47:40.160 Probably more of a three technique though, but he can 0:47:40.239 --> 0:47:42.319 do everything. I mean three. Four teams will love him 0:47:42.320 --> 0:47:43.879 four three teams to love him. He can two gas 0:47:44.440 --> 0:47:47.839 doesn't do anything. Miss he's my think, what number three 0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:51.120 defensive tackle? It's tough. He's one of the top ten 0:47:51.239 --> 0:47:53.200 talents in this class, just not one of the top 0:47:53.280 --> 0:47:55.719 ten football players. And so at one point do you 0:47:55.760 --> 0:47:57.920 take a chance on him? I think he could be 0:47:58.040 --> 0:48:00.080 really good and all pro in this league. I'm just 0:48:00.200 --> 0:48:03.560 not convinced he loves football enough to work at it 0:48:03.840 --> 0:48:06.719 and reach its potential. Dig into his mock draft, what 0:48:06.800 --> 0:48:09.720 do you think? What do you think Connor Cook? First rounder? 0:48:10.560 --> 0:48:13.640 And remember with these mock drafts, it's never was I 0:48:13.800 --> 0:48:17.880 think should happen. It's always what I think team, and 0:48:17.880 --> 0:48:19.919 it's all about scenarios. Look, you know we're three months 0:48:20.000 --> 0:48:21.799 to the draft. I'm not going to look back at 0:48:21.840 --> 0:48:24.040 this draft and see, oh see, I told you this 0:48:24.200 --> 0:48:26.799 is more about scenarios, what could happen, how it could 0:48:26.880 --> 0:48:30.040 play out. And with the Texans sitting there at twenty two, yeah, 0:48:30.160 --> 0:48:32.560 if the three quarterbacks off the board, yeah, you know 0:48:32.680 --> 0:48:36.240 the top three Golf Wentz and Lynch and the Texans 0:48:36.280 --> 0:48:39.400 are sitting there at twenty two, Hackenburg and Cook are 0:48:39.560 --> 0:48:41.480 right there. Do they pull the trigger on one of 0:48:41.520 --> 0:48:43.919 those two, do they try and wait till the second round. 0:48:44.320 --> 0:48:47.560 Bill O'Brien's entering year three in Houston. He needs to 0:48:48.000 --> 0:48:50.319 make a splash with one of these quarterbacks. I don't 0:48:50.400 --> 0:48:52.640 know Tom Savage. I don't think he's the future there. 0:48:52.920 --> 0:48:54.759 So it just it would not shock me at all 0:48:54.760 --> 0:48:56.920 if Connor Cook or Christian Hackenburg go at that twenty s. 0:48:57.320 --> 0:49:00.120 When I read it, it made complete sense and I thought, well, 0:49:00.160 --> 0:49:01.680 of course, this is why you would put him there. 0:49:02.280 --> 0:49:05.040 But my feelings about Connor Cook and I said this 0:49:05.280 --> 0:49:06.840 even at the beginning of the year when he was 0:49:06.920 --> 0:49:09.480 kind of a heisman buzz and I just think he 0:49:09.600 --> 0:49:12.160 might be your bust. And I hate to say that, 0:49:12.480 --> 0:49:14.759 and it maybe egg on my face a year from 0:49:14.800 --> 0:49:18.400 now because he could go and light it up. But 0:49:18.920 --> 0:49:21.279 the fact of the matter is is that I think 0:49:21.440 --> 0:49:25.400 he benefited from his weapons around him at Michigan State. 0:49:25.760 --> 0:49:29.399 He benefited from having a solid defense, strong run game, 0:49:29.719 --> 0:49:33.400 strong run game, and the fact that he's having all 0:49:33.440 --> 0:49:37.759 these questions about his intangibles. Is he a leader? Is 0:49:37.840 --> 0:49:40.920 he someone who can be a backup? And take that mentally, 0:49:41.600 --> 0:49:44.880 we'll see he's working with George Whitfield, who I you know, 0:49:45.040 --> 0:49:49.439 I've always admired a lot of respect, appreciated his work 0:49:49.480 --> 0:49:51.640 with former quarterbacks. One plane in the Super Bowl, this 0:49:51.719 --> 0:49:56.080 Sunday Cam, so who knows what George will say. George 0:49:56.200 --> 0:50:00.360 is very good at getting these guys to combat what 0:50:00.840 --> 0:50:03.960 people are thinking against them. Right. He did that with Johnny, 0:50:04.520 --> 0:50:07.240 you know, he made it. He did everything in Johnny's 0:50:07.239 --> 0:50:09.640 pro day that people were thinking is against him. Right. 0:50:10.280 --> 0:50:12.520 He's probably gonna do that with other guy, another guy 0:50:12.600 --> 0:50:16.280 he's working with though, And I know, well, yes, Cardinal 0:50:16.400 --> 0:50:19.000 Jones about him. Yeah, he's he's one of Dave Helmet's 0:50:19.000 --> 0:50:21.080 favorite and figured he weared the plaid and wear the 0:50:21.120 --> 0:50:24.200 plaid of Ohio. Stay for sure on that one. Gonna 0:50:24.280 --> 0:50:26.960 go through, just go through real quick. Here tounsil to 0:50:27.040 --> 0:50:31.719 the Titans, wins to the Browns, Chargers take Bosa, puts 0:50:31.760 --> 0:50:35.400 the Cowboys on the clock. Miles Jack, talk about you happy? 0:50:35.520 --> 0:50:37.239 I am very happy. Day. He could play any of 0:50:37.239 --> 0:50:39.440 the linebacker spots. Like I said, he helps you from 0:50:39.520 --> 0:50:43.120 day one. And it's hard to come up with like 0:50:43.239 --> 0:50:46.440 a true apples apples comparison for him. But and this 0:50:46.560 --> 0:50:48.920 is high praise, I know, But if you combine some 0:50:49.040 --> 0:50:51.279 of the strengths from Luke Keekley and some of the 0:50:51.320 --> 0:50:54.239 strengths from his teammate Thomas Davis, and you combined him. Yeah, 0:50:54.280 --> 0:50:56.640 you have something similar to what Miles Jack could be. 0:50:56.760 --> 0:50:59.440 I mean, he's that type of athlete. His contact balance 0:50:59.480 --> 0:51:03.480 and outstanding and instincts. He's just a rare athlete, a 0:51:03.600 --> 0:51:05.719 rare specimen for the position. So there's a lot of 0:51:05.760 --> 0:51:07.320 things you can do with him. How hard was it 0:51:07.480 --> 0:51:10.080 not to take Ramsey or Golf at that point? It was? 0:51:10.360 --> 0:51:13.040 But you know, if I'm sticking and looking at the board, 0:51:13.200 --> 0:51:15.720 Jack is number two for me, behind Tunsel and Ramsey's 0:51:15.800 --> 0:51:18.520 number three. I think Jalen Ramsey would be an outstanding pick. 0:51:19.200 --> 0:51:20.880 Can help you at corner, can help you at safety. 0:51:20.920 --> 0:51:23.759 He's just a true playmaker. So I think Ramsey he's 0:51:23.760 --> 0:51:25.719 coming off the board with the next pick for the Jaguars. 0:51:25.920 --> 0:51:28.879 He's not gonna last very long. New general manager Chris 0:51:29.000 --> 0:51:32.759 Greer at Miami you like him taking Noah Spence at eight. Yeah, 0:51:32.920 --> 0:51:35.640 here's your top ten guy. Yeah, and someone's gonna take 0:51:35.680 --> 0:51:37.239 a chance on him, and I think someone's going to 0:51:37.280 --> 0:51:39.319 be very happy they took a chance on him. Um, 0:51:39.480 --> 0:51:41.200 you know I mentioned you know, Vernon's about to hit 0:51:41.239 --> 0:51:44.080 free agency. There, Cameron Wakes not getting any younger, So 0:51:44.160 --> 0:51:46.800 I think Noah Spence could step in. I think, ideally 0:51:46.800 --> 0:51:48.839 I'd love to see Noah Spence in a three four 0:51:49.080 --> 0:51:51.719 defense where he can you know, really you know, work 0:51:51.760 --> 0:51:55.360 with space and really benefit from that. But at the 0:51:55.400 --> 0:51:58.920 same time, he's a pass rusher and all teams need that. 0:51:59.239 --> 0:52:02.080 Soam me at eight it looks like a possible fit. 0:52:02.440 --> 0:52:04.680 When you talked about you had the Saints taken Treadwell 0:52:04.760 --> 0:52:08.480 at twelve there, Yeah, they're new Marquis Colston. Yeah, you know, 0:52:08.680 --> 0:52:11.319 I think he could be that new Marky's Colston for him, 0:52:11.360 --> 0:52:15.640 that big, size, good athlete. The ball skills are all 0:52:15.640 --> 0:52:18.880 standing in the catching radius and playing opposite Brandon Cooks. 0:52:19.200 --> 0:52:22.239 I mean, it's gonna give Drew Brees, you know, one 0:52:22.360 --> 0:52:24.719 last ride in New Orleans, you know, one last chance 0:52:24.800 --> 0:52:26.680 to go and see if they can make the playoffs 0:52:26.680 --> 0:52:30.400 and make a Super Bowl. So surrounding Breeze with more 0:52:30.440 --> 0:52:33.520 talents never a bad thing. Okay, we've taken Treadwill at four. 0:52:33.760 --> 0:52:37.640 Maybe No, I'm not okay, I don't think that's our 0:52:38.200 --> 0:52:42.279 biggest need. I say that because you know we have 0:52:42.480 --> 0:52:44.719 Does and we have Terrence. Let's develop them. Let's give 0:52:44.800 --> 0:52:46.880 him a quarterback. Yeah. I don't know if we do 0:52:47.000 --> 0:52:49.400 pick the quarterback at for but I'd feel more comfortable 0:52:49.400 --> 0:52:51.280 at taking a quarterback and four than a wide receiver, 0:52:51.520 --> 0:52:53.719 which is your position that you would be happy with 0:52:53.840 --> 0:52:56.600 other than the quarterback. Yeah, I think I would stick 0:52:56.640 --> 0:53:00.520 with the linebackers. Yeah, you know doing that because we 0:53:00.760 --> 0:53:03.600 love Sean Lee. He's great, he had a Pro Bowl year, right, 0:53:03.960 --> 0:53:07.000 but we need that playmaker. Yeah, you know someone who's 0:53:07.000 --> 0:53:10.480 gonna line He gave you a play That's why I 0:53:10.600 --> 0:53:15.520 was like, kle huh, Yeah, you're playing the best cover 0:53:15.719 --> 0:53:19.000 linebacker we've seen come out of the draft since since Keikley. 0:53:19.080 --> 0:53:21.359 So yeah, and once and you look at the number 0:53:21.400 --> 0:53:24.400 four pick. Traditionally, that's been a sweet spot for wide receivers, 0:53:24.440 --> 0:53:26.279 that first wide receiver to come off the board. Last 0:53:26.360 --> 0:53:29.200 year the fourth pick Mark Cooper, the year before that, 0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:31.839 the fourth pick Sammy Watkins. A couple of years before 0:53:31.880 --> 0:53:34.400 that at the fourth pick aj Green. So you know, 0:53:34.560 --> 0:53:36.239 that fourth pick traditionally been a little bit of a 0:53:36.239 --> 0:53:38.279 sweet spot for that first wide reip and it is 0:53:38.360 --> 0:53:41.239 your playmaker you know it is your guy. I mean 0:53:41.280 --> 0:53:44.399 Amari Cooper. It's a CDC up there with Derek Carr. 0:53:45.000 --> 0:53:47.000 That's their guy. But the thing that I have a 0:53:47.080 --> 0:53:49.560 problem with is you got eighty eight over here, and 0:53:49.640 --> 0:53:51.120 I know you got to line them up like you're 0:53:51.120 --> 0:53:54.480 talking about, you know, Treadwill with Brandon Cooks. I get that, 0:53:55.120 --> 0:53:58.440 but I don't feel comfortable if you talk about this 0:53:58.560 --> 0:54:00.680 all the time. If you're gonna get at this high 0:54:00.680 --> 0:54:03.560 of a pick, let's not be there again. Let's not 0:54:03.640 --> 0:54:06.080 be there again. We've had playmakers this past year and 0:54:06.160 --> 0:54:08.759 we saw why couldn't we get it done? That's fair. 0:54:09.480 --> 0:54:11.799 You raised an eyebrow. I did raise an eyebrow. Darren 0:54:11.880 --> 0:54:15.160 Lee at eighteen to the Colts. You're not the biggest 0:54:15.239 --> 0:54:17.160 Darren Lee fan, right, Yeah, you have some reservations. No, 0:54:17.320 --> 0:54:19.399 I need to go back and study Darren Lee some more. 0:54:19.400 --> 0:54:22.319 I's probably having a bad day. Well he's a former 0:54:22.440 --> 0:54:25.359 quarterback player back in high school. Well he's an out 0:54:25.440 --> 0:54:28.600 standing athlete. Yeah, I think the natural instincts are there. 0:54:28.719 --> 0:54:30.560 A little leaner than you want, needs to clean up 0:54:30.600 --> 0:54:33.319 a few things with his tackling technique. But I think 0:54:33.360 --> 0:54:35.480 the arrow was just pointing North on this player, I 0:54:35.520 --> 0:54:38.759 think he's gonna get better. Got him. I really like 0:54:38.920 --> 0:54:41.120 Darren Ly. I would have loved to see him back 0:54:41.160 --> 0:54:43.520 in Columbus for another year. I think he could have 0:54:43.560 --> 0:54:46.160 really helped himself. But even so, he's a top twenty 0:54:46.200 --> 0:54:49.160 pick right now. Braxton Millard to the Bengals at twenty four. Yeah, 0:54:49.200 --> 0:54:50.920 then the Bengals, they've got a few wis. They like 0:54:51.000 --> 0:54:54.200 Ohio state kids they name the Brown family has an 0:54:54.239 --> 0:54:58.879 Ohio state tie they also like. And where Braxton grew 0:54:58.960 --> 0:55:01.600 up is about an hour side of Cincinnati, and so, uh, 0:55:01.880 --> 0:55:04.520 Cincinnati is also liked versa little wide receivers, you know, 0:55:04.600 --> 0:55:07.640 they and before even with Hugh Jackson and without him, 0:55:07.800 --> 0:55:09.640 they run. They like to run a lot of exotic 0:55:09.719 --> 0:55:11.719 things on offense, and so the chance to add a 0:55:11.800 --> 0:55:15.080 Braxon Miller and his versatility to that offense. Uh. And 0:55:15.200 --> 0:55:17.000 on the other thing the Bengals have shown is they 0:55:17.040 --> 0:55:19.719 are not necessarily looking for that guy that can help 0:55:19.840 --> 0:55:22.480 right away in round one. They've been thinking long term. 0:55:22.719 --> 0:55:24.320 You know, last year they took the tackle from A 0:55:24.440 --> 0:55:26.680 and M a way, he who you know, wasn't gonna 0:55:26.680 --> 0:55:28.319 be able to play most of his rookie year because 0:55:28.320 --> 0:55:30.200 of injury, and they were okay with that exactly. They 0:55:30.280 --> 0:55:32.000 think long term, they think who can help us down 0:55:32.040 --> 0:55:34.279 the road. So I think BXON like your choice at 0:55:34.480 --> 0:55:38.960 twenty six with the Seahawks Jack Conklin. They need the 0:55:39.120 --> 0:55:44.560 need offensive line help now that Jack Colin former walk on. Yeah. 0:55:44.600 --> 0:55:46.839 You watch you watch when he played. I mean when 0:55:46.920 --> 0:55:49.480 when things are breaking down for you know that Alabama 0:55:49.600 --> 0:55:52.320 Michigan State game. It ain't Jack Conklin breaking down. And 0:55:52.440 --> 0:55:55.359 you watch him against Oregon going up against Buckner, Yeah, 0:55:55.360 --> 0:55:57.800 I mean you see that course strength. You know, a 0:55:57.920 --> 0:56:01.000 strong hands, wide bass. Some guys will be able to 0:56:01.000 --> 0:56:03.319 beat him with speed, but no one's going through him, 0:56:03.400 --> 0:56:04.959 that's for sure. Just to go down here a little 0:56:04.960 --> 0:56:07.359 further to Jaren Reid twenty seven of the Packers, that'd 0:56:07.360 --> 0:56:10.200 be a great pick. Sheldon Rankins Kansas City. Oh, that's 0:56:10.239 --> 0:56:12.520 really good. That's all they need is another defensive lineman 0:56:12.640 --> 0:56:16.600 there Arizona with the with Vernon Butler defensive tackle Louisiana 0:56:16.640 --> 0:56:18.520 Tech helped himself a little bit this week. Then Yeah, 0:56:18.520 --> 0:56:19.759 I think a lot of people will be surprised as 0:56:19.800 --> 0:56:22.160 he Butler maybe in that first round discussion, but he 0:56:22.280 --> 0:56:25.239 belongs I think he's uh. He proved it last week 0:56:25.280 --> 0:56:27.640 in Mobile and you see the lower body quickness, the 0:56:27.719 --> 0:56:30.040 upper body power, and he uses it in unison to 0:56:30.080 --> 0:56:33.719 beat up on Lineman and Kevin Dodd. It will be 0:56:33.880 --> 0:56:36.280 the thirty first pick. He's the defense fin from Clemson, 0:56:36.360 --> 0:56:39.440 and Dane thinks the Carolina Panthers will have that pick. 0:56:39.600 --> 0:56:41.719 So that just tells you right there. Next year when 0:56:41.880 --> 0:56:44.439 you know Brian's going through these games, and he told 0:56:44.520 --> 0:56:47.880 us this year, well, all of Carolina Panthers, you know, 0:56:48.040 --> 0:56:50.560 defensive lineas first and second round picks. So they're just 0:56:50.680 --> 0:56:55.480 gonna keep adding. That's right, that's right. Yeah, okay, kid, 0:56:55.560 --> 0:56:57.279 we did a great job day. That is I like 0:56:57.400 --> 0:56:59.200 your mind trap that the eighteen though I have a 0:56:59.239 --> 0:57:01.680 little question about that pick. All right, kay, Garrison, We're 0:57:01.680 --> 0:57:03.239 gonna try and finish up this show the next We've 0:57:03.239 --> 0:57:05.359 got three minutes before we have to get out of here, can't. 0:57:05.600 --> 0:57:07.719 I'm gonna turn it over to you and we're gonna 0:57:07.760 --> 0:57:09.680 fire through these calls, so everybody be ready to go, 0:57:10.040 --> 0:57:12.480 and we're all doing good again, So get your question 0:57:12.560 --> 0:57:15.040 and let's go. All right, Sean and Nova Scotia, you're up. Sean, 0:57:15.560 --> 0:57:17.280 all right, guys, thanks very much for taking my call. 0:57:17.400 --> 0:57:20.080 Great job at the Senior Bowl. Very insightful and enjoyed 0:57:20.120 --> 0:57:22.960 the sideline analysis. Thank you very much. So here's the 0:57:23.080 --> 0:57:27.840 question we go with, when does quantity outweigh quality. For example, 0:57:28.240 --> 0:57:31.120 Tampa Bay has a ninth pick, they have thirteen hundred 0:57:31.120 --> 0:57:33.280 and fifty points. They got to move up to number four. 0:57:33.960 --> 0:57:36.680 Dallas has eighteen hundreds, so they'd have to basically give 0:57:36.720 --> 0:57:38.800 up their second which means you have four picks in 0:57:38.880 --> 0:57:41.600 the top forty okay, and then who in the war 0:57:41.720 --> 0:57:44.200 room makes that call? So there's my question, guys, Thank you, 0:57:44.320 --> 0:57:46.760 great question. Okay, we're gonna make a trade here real quick, 0:57:46.800 --> 0:57:48.880 and then we're trying to we're gonna go down to Tampa. 0:57:49.000 --> 0:57:51.640 Where are they at nine? Is what they said. Okay, 0:57:51.760 --> 0:57:53.600 that's that's a spot. I mean that's going five and 0:57:53.680 --> 0:57:55.880 he's right, you know, go get there two. So you 0:57:55.960 --> 0:57:59.920 know that would be the call. If you're thinking about though, 0:58:00.280 --> 0:58:02.840 where their board sits a little bit in that second round? 0:58:03.160 --> 0:58:05.240 Could they say if you have could they get the 0:58:05.320 --> 0:58:07.920 defensive tackle, could they get a wide receiver, could they 0:58:07.960 --> 0:58:09.800 get a corner. That's where you kind of have to 0:58:09.880 --> 0:58:11.880 look at your board and say, okay, we're in the 0:58:11.960 --> 0:58:15.960 second round. Do we tend to have maybe maybe a 0:58:16.040 --> 0:58:18.840 little bit of a little depth at a position that 0:58:19.000 --> 0:58:21.120 we can go look at, or who do we where 0:58:21.200 --> 0:58:23.760 they're not a debt but we might need that position. 0:58:23.880 --> 0:58:27.360 So again, that's Jerry's call, at Steven's call. They're gonna 0:58:27.360 --> 0:58:29.640 have to convince will McClay, Todd Williams. They're all going 0:58:29.680 --> 0:58:32.120 to talk about that if the trade works. But yeah, 0:58:32.120 --> 0:58:34.440 if you get multiple picks, and that's great. I think 0:58:34.480 --> 0:58:37.840 the biggest question though, is who you can have it 0:58:38.000 --> 0:58:40.280 for and then who's gonna be there at nine? Exactly 0:58:40.280 --> 0:58:44.000 do you feel comfortable losing a Miles Jack at Jalen Ramsey? Right? 0:58:44.360 --> 0:58:47.080 And you know who do you really like at number nine? 0:58:47.200 --> 0:58:49.919 Is that? Don't trade away from a great player? That's 0:58:49.960 --> 0:58:52.240 the whole idea here. Yeah, you gotta you gotta make 0:58:52.240 --> 0:58:55.720 a determination which way that board's going, because again, if 0:58:56.040 --> 0:58:59.000 Carson Wentz goes to Cleveland at two, that's gonna set 0:58:59.040 --> 0:59:01.280 this draft in a whole other direction for the Cowboys 0:59:01.440 --> 0:59:03.720 in my opinion. Yeah, so we'll see. Well, in trading 0:59:03.760 --> 0:59:06.360 back is almost always the right option. Yeah, you look 0:59:06.400 --> 0:59:07.800 at the Browns, a couple of years ago. And I know, 0:59:07.880 --> 0:59:09.560 you know, Cowboys aren't the Browns. Not a lot of 0:59:09.600 --> 0:59:12.320 teams aren't. But you know they had the fourth pick, 0:59:12.480 --> 0:59:14.840 Sammy Watkins right there for him. Yeah, they traded back 0:59:15.120 --> 0:59:17.640 and they got Justin Gilbert. Yeah, so it's not always 0:59:17.640 --> 0:59:19.920 the best thing that the best, But then you could 0:59:19.960 --> 0:59:21.600 have the number nine pick and you could pick someone 0:59:21.680 --> 0:59:25.040 like Tyren Smith or is he Killie Hill? That work? 0:59:25.400 --> 0:59:27.160 Ken't who do you got? You got somebody else going 0:59:27.240 --> 0:59:30.840 on phones ringing right now? Give me a twenty seconds, okay, 0:59:31.080 --> 0:59:33.240 but yeah, the whole trade, the whole trade back, sneer. 0:59:33.280 --> 0:59:35.640 I'm always from me, tell me who I'm trading away from. 0:59:35.920 --> 0:59:38.640 If I look at the board, if I'm gonna lose this, this, this, yeah, 0:59:39.080 --> 0:59:41.400 that's a situation where okay, but you gotta think, okay, 0:59:41.440 --> 0:59:43.840 if I could if it sometimes you'll have a deal 0:59:43.920 --> 0:59:45.600 where you go, Man, I wish I had an extra 0:59:45.640 --> 0:59:48.000 second round pick. Sure, and and yeah that's and that 0:59:48.160 --> 0:59:49.920 that'll work, that work, okay, Ken? Who do you get 0:59:49.920 --> 0:59:53.120 you in Germany? Reggie? Go ahead, Hi, I'm here now 0:59:53.120 --> 0:59:55.400 are you from trade will again? Okay? I know, um 0:59:55.720 --> 0:59:58.880 um we just heard that. Um we're I'm liking him 0:59:58.880 --> 1:00:02.280 too much because we we think we got Um Terrence 1:00:02.280 --> 1:00:04.640 Williams here, Terrence who was here last year. Sure Terence 1:00:04.680 --> 1:00:06.960 proved that he couldn't carry a ball. So we need 1:00:07.040 --> 1:00:09.240 a more consistent receiver next to DEAs. We need to 1:00:09.280 --> 1:00:12.040 open deads up. We've been trying to get DEAs opened 1:00:12.160 --> 1:00:14.640 Um in different positions the whole last year when he 1:00:14.720 --> 1:00:17.080 was healthy, couldn't do it. We need somebody to off 1:00:17.120 --> 1:00:19.600 set him. You know, we need a one receiver. That's 1:00:19.640 --> 1:00:21.440 what I'm going to say about that. Thank you, Reggie. 1:00:21.560 --> 1:00:24.000 I don't think I didn't say I didn't like Oh 1:00:24.240 --> 1:00:29.440 you did. No, I like him a ton and he 1:00:29.640 --> 1:00:31.280 is a boss, and I'd love to see how he's 1:00:31.320 --> 1:00:35.240 bounced back from a very scary injury. Yeah, that is huge, 1:00:35.480 --> 1:00:37.560 especially if a player is going to go and be 1:00:37.640 --> 1:00:40.840 successful in the league. What I said was is that 1:00:40.960 --> 1:00:43.640 I don't think that's our biggest need at four. Yeah, 1:00:43.720 --> 1:00:46.200 we dropped back in trade. You're right, he could be 1:00:46.320 --> 1:00:48.400 a nine pick for us. No, and I agree it's 1:00:48.400 --> 1:00:50.120 not the biggest need. But at the same time, I 1:00:50.240 --> 1:00:55.080 think when you're picking four, it's more about finding the show. Well, 1:00:55.960 --> 1:00:58.160 you're at four, you want someone that can impact your 1:00:58.240 --> 1:01:00.480 roster and help your team move forward, and I think 1:01:00.480 --> 1:01:02.960 Treadwill can maybe to me, he needs to be in 1:01:03.000 --> 1:01:04.919 a discussion because he can step in at the number 1:01:04.960 --> 1:01:07.360 two and I know he's a lot like Dez. That's okay, 1:01:07.440 --> 1:01:10.080 give me two Deserts out there, and defensive quarterbacks. You've 1:01:10.120 --> 1:01:12.200 got two desas and you've got Kellen Moore throwing him 1:01:12.280 --> 1:01:14.920 a ball. You got that Castle throwing him a ball. Well, 1:01:14.960 --> 1:01:16.920 and that's why I'm addressing the back of quarterback and 1:01:16.960 --> 1:01:19.600 free adens. Yeah, I mean, I know, yeah, that needs 1:01:19.640 --> 1:01:23.240 to be said. No Manzell RG three, Well, no RG three. 1:01:23.280 --> 1:01:25.480 Maybe you know you look at that as a possibility, 1:01:25.520 --> 1:01:29.640 But I want the I'm not gonna draft. I don't 1:01:29.680 --> 1:01:31.840 want to draft a rookie quarterback there. I'd rather go 1:01:31.920 --> 1:01:33.640 and get into guy that's going to impact my team 1:01:33.920 --> 1:01:36.840 for sure. Until on the sixteen. Now, if this wasn't 1:01:36.960 --> 1:01:40.480 February fifth, and this was April fifth, and we'd already 1:01:40.560 --> 1:01:43.000 been through free agency and we did get someone that 1:01:43.120 --> 1:01:46.160 I feel comfortable could pass to two Deserts, I might 1:01:46.280 --> 1:01:48.480 change my mind, Reggie, So don't give up on me yet. 1:01:48.640 --> 1:01:51.440 Don't give up, Okay, last call the day and we'll 1:01:51.560 --> 1:01:53.360 end the draft show. Who do you got? Chris and Maryland? 1:01:53.400 --> 1:01:57.400 Go ahead? How you guys doing good? Right? Um? My 1:01:57.520 --> 1:02:00.200 question is I heard you talking about the quarterbacks and 1:02:00.720 --> 1:02:02.840 say we go with the linebacker in the first round, 1:02:03.240 --> 1:02:06.760 in the second or third round or so, what quarterback 1:02:06.880 --> 1:02:10.240 would you actually look at? Taking um and that that's 1:02:10.280 --> 1:02:11.760 what I have. Have a good day, guys, I'll take 1:02:11.760 --> 1:02:13.760 it all the air, all right? Thanks? Chris. Get a 1:02:13.760 --> 1:02:17.360 second round quarterback Dane Connor Cook. I mean, I you know, 1:02:17.480 --> 1:02:19.520 I think he can start in this league. My rear 1:02:19.560 --> 1:02:21.400 would be real tight if we took Connor Cook. I 1:02:21.480 --> 1:02:23.560 just he can start in the NFL. I just don't 1:02:23.600 --> 1:02:25.480 think he has a high ceiling. I don't think that 1:02:25.640 --> 1:02:28.880 he I mean, had he's a lackerberg do anything for you? No, 1:02:29.880 --> 1:02:32.560 I mean maybe in the maybe in a late third round. 1:02:32.560 --> 1:02:34.040 I would take it. What would he have done something 1:02:34.120 --> 1:02:36.360 for you if he wasn't getting sacked as many times? 1:02:37.440 --> 1:02:39.520 But a lot of those are his own doing, though, 1:02:39.600 --> 1:02:43.000 and that's what I give. Yes, the offensive play calling 1:02:43.120 --> 1:02:45.240 did not do him any favors once he lost Alan 1:02:45.320 --> 1:02:48.680 Robinson after season. Yeah, you know, no one helped him 1:02:48.720 --> 1:02:50.800 out the offensive line did not do him any favors. 1:02:51.120 --> 1:02:53.560 But at the same time, his tape shouldn't have been 1:02:53.720 --> 1:02:56.080 that bad, and a lot of it was self inflicted. 1:02:56.160 --> 1:02:57.880 I mean a lot of bad habits, holding the ball 1:02:57.920 --> 1:03:01.120 too long, not recognizing things. I just I'm worried that 1:03:01.240 --> 1:03:04.920 he's damaged goods already. I mean, right in twenty thirteen, 1:03:05.040 --> 1:03:06.920 we saw what he could do. With Bill O'Brien. The 1:03:07.000 --> 1:03:09.280 last two years it was it was a mess, and 1:03:09.360 --> 1:03:10.760 a lot of that was because of him in his 1:03:10.800 --> 1:03:14.280 stunted development. Can a team NFL team get him back 1:03:14.360 --> 1:03:18.000 on track. I'm just not a true believer or a coach. 1:03:18.080 --> 1:03:20.040 You're talking about Bill O'Brien. He's worked with some of 1:03:20.080 --> 1:03:23.920 the best quarterbacks Tom Brady. Sure, yeah, and I'm not 1:03:24.000 --> 1:03:26.160 saying you can't. I would take a chance on him, 1:03:26.200 --> 1:03:29.360 probably your late third, early fourth, but I don't think 1:03:29.440 --> 1:03:31.960 he's gonna be there for me. He'll be drafted higher 1:03:31.960 --> 1:03:33.760 than I would. So Connor Cook's your only second round 1:03:33.840 --> 1:03:36.400 quarterback then, yeah, I have a late second round right on. Okay, 1:03:36.560 --> 1:03:38.520 that's that's fair. Okay, Well listen, that's all the time 1:03:38.560 --> 1:03:41.600 we have for the day. Thanks, Thanks for hanging out 1:03:41.640 --> 1:03:43.600 with us today. It's very fun. You guys are great. 1:03:43.680 --> 1:03:46.040 We will bring you back. Yeah, let's probably next week 1:03:46.080 --> 1:03:48.120 because I'm tired of Dave. Well, you know, I love 1:03:48.240 --> 1:03:49.919 Dave and I hope that he makes it through Marty 1:03:49.960 --> 1:03:54.280 grob but if he decides to New Orleans, yeah, you're covered. Great, 1:03:55.040 --> 1:03:59.800 Okay for Dame Burglar, Taylor Stern, Executive producer, Ken Garrison, 1:03:59.800 --> 1:04:02.040 I'm Ryan Brouss. Thank you so much for joining us 1:04:02.040 --> 1:04:04.880 on the Draft Show today. We always appreciate you out 1:04:04.920 --> 1:04:07.600 there being a part of our show with the tweets, 1:04:07.640 --> 1:04:09.960 the phone calls, anything that we can. 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