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Speaker 1: The Dallas Cowboys Selection by R Joe and now your
Speaker 1: hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman, and Brian brought us. We
Speaker 1: are back at our home base here at Valley Ranch
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Speaker 1: am Brian brought us along with Dane Brugler from CBS
Speaker 1: Sports and Dallas Cowboys dot Com and joined here today
Speaker 1: by Dave's replaces. Yeah, Tay what Taylor Stern steps into
Speaker 1: the chair. Yes, I felt like I had to dress
Speaker 1: like him, you know, so the transition was easier for viewing.
Speaker 1: Honny Jim, that kid's gonna kill us now with all
Speaker 1: drops exactly, here we go. Yeah, No, Dave is on assignment.
Speaker 1: Is that what you said? Yeah, Dave's on assignment doing
Speaker 1: some Louisiana scouting, Maudi, girl, you gotta go scout that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, and he's comparing it probably to last
Speaker 1: week's mobile exactly. So he's just doing some comparing and
Speaker 1: contrasting absolutely, which I appreciate him studying. Well, we're grateful
Speaker 1: for you to be here today and and you were
Speaker 1: a part of a lot of the things going on
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. So I'm interested to get your
Speaker 1: take on only what you saw, but some of the
Speaker 1: interaction you had with the players. Kent Garrison is the
Speaker 1: executive producer today as always, and we thank him for
Speaker 1: doing that. The Draft Show today again, like you say,
Speaker 1: we're back here next WBC Morgage Studio. I want to
Speaker 1: wrap up the Senior Bowl, guys, is what I want
Speaker 1: to do. We haven't had a chance to talk about it.
Speaker 1: What we saw in the game, did a lot of
Speaker 1: things for Dallas Cowboys dot Com, some videos up, how
Speaker 1: guys played, some content as far as written stuff or
Speaker 1: what we saw. Going to get into Twitter on the twenty.
Speaker 1: That's where we have an opportunity for you out there
Speaker 1: to fire us a question at the Draft Show. That's
Speaker 1: the best way to get a hold of us. Kent
Speaker 1: does a nice job of managing the account and then
Speaker 1: also pushing out things that we are going to do,
Speaker 1: whether it's from the Senior Bowl, the Combine, Draft Show, information,
Speaker 1: anything you need to know at the Draft Show. That's
Speaker 1: where your questions need to be answered, and Tay's gonna
Speaker 1: step in for Dave and handle that today. We're also
Speaker 1: going to take a look at Dane's mock draft that
Speaker 1: he did for CBS Sports on Monday, and what I
Speaker 1: want to do, guys with that is I'd like to
Speaker 1: get in only with what the Cowboys are gonna do,
Speaker 1: but maybe some of the players around why you had
Speaker 1: certain guys at certain levels. I'm excited to see, Like
Speaker 1: at the end of the draft. I don't know about you, Dane.
Speaker 1: I got eighteen names so far, pending any physicals or
Speaker 1: any problems of first round players. Eighteen, so there's thirty
Speaker 1: one guys that are gonna get select in the first round.
Speaker 1: You've got some interesting names that back into that draft
Speaker 1: that I want to get to. Yeah. When I saw
Speaker 1: Dane tweet that out, I looked at it immediately because
Speaker 1: obviously I trust his opinion and some of them, I
Speaker 1: was like, I have to ask him about this. I'm
Speaker 1: excited about the opportunity. Good we're gonna get. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: gonna get into that. And then, like we said, we're
Speaker 1: gonna take some calls today at the excuse me, towards
Speaker 1: the end of the show. I'd like to get your questions.
Speaker 1: I'd like to get your comments. I'd like to hear
Speaker 1: your voice that you can reach us. It's on the
Speaker 1: screen right here as you see eight eight eight eight
Speaker 1: five five two two ninety seven. We're gonna do that
Speaker 1: at the end of the show, try and get through
Speaker 1: as many of those as we can. The way you
Speaker 1: can help us do that is by just hey, get
Speaker 1: to your question. We're all doing great, we're having a
Speaker 1: good time, happy to be talking about the draft. So
Speaker 1: with all that being said, we were immobile Alabama. We are.
Speaker 1: We did what we always talked about. We investigate and
Speaker 1: now we're going to educate, right and that's something we
Speaker 1: always focus here on the Draft show. And Dane, I
Speaker 1: want to ask your opinion of what you thought of
Speaker 1: the week. A lot of you know, some of the
Speaker 1: top players you had. I thought there was a tremendous
Speaker 1: amount of pressure on Carson Wentz going into this, the
Speaker 1: fact that he was the Cowboys. He was on the
Speaker 1: Cowboys team. We talked about it during the week. Sure
Speaker 1: felt like that maybe some of the times he had
Speaker 1: probably maybe tried to do a little too much. But
Speaker 1: what did you see from the game. Did you gain
Speaker 1: anything from the game any different opinion about Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: as we speak today, I don't think so. I think
Speaker 1: the game reflected how his week of practice was pressed
Speaker 1: a little bit but was able to settle himself down.
Speaker 1: And you saw all the traits, you know, at full display,
Speaker 1: with the size of the arm, strength, his mobility, the
Speaker 1: way he handles himself out there. Just that type of
Speaker 1: stage did not seem too big for him. You know,
Speaker 1: coming from the FCS level, you don't know how he's
Speaker 1: going to respond. But throughout the week and during the game, yes,
Speaker 1: you did see him pressed a little bit, and that's understandable.
Speaker 1: But I thought it was far more good than bad
Speaker 1: with Carson Wayans. And I know that the final stats
Speaker 1: didn't look great, but he made good throws. He made
Speaker 1: NFL style throws. He saw the placement, he saw a
Speaker 1: little bit of a hitch, maybe thinking too much at times,
Speaker 1: but he was still able to deliver and complete passes.
Speaker 1: So Carson once I thought, I had a very good week,
Speaker 1: and it only confirmed that he's going to be in
Speaker 1: the conversation to be that first quarterback draft. Yeah, Taylor,
Speaker 1: you had a chance to interact with him on another level,
Speaker 1: with some of the social media stuff you were doing
Speaker 1: for Dallas Cowboys, I what kind of feeling it. Dane
Speaker 1: painted a pretty a very accurate picture. What about him personally,
Speaker 1: though you had some interaction with him as well. Well.
Speaker 1: The first thing I noticed about him we didn't get
Speaker 1: to talk to him on the way and day, which
Speaker 1: I was kind of bummed about. But he was the
Speaker 1: biggest name, so he just kind of ran through right,
Speaker 1: which is understandable because other people had more time. The
Speaker 1: first thing I noticed was that when Jerry Jones arrived
Speaker 1: to the practice, he made it a point to go
Speaker 1: up and talk to him, right, And I filmed that
Speaker 1: and Carson was y, you know, comfortable. He didn't act like,
Speaker 1: oh I'm star struck or right, this is someone I
Speaker 1: need to impress. He was very comfortable, seemed relaxed, seemed dead,
Speaker 1: He's you know. It was a pleasant conversation. But the
Speaker 1: second thing that I noticed was that in his postgame
Speaker 1: press commerce I watched it, he seemed very rehearsed, which
Speaker 1: is sure true to all of these guys that are
Speaker 1: coming through a job interview. But the thing that I
Speaker 1: noticed was that he didn't have exact details. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he's just trying to articulate everything that he's
Speaker 1: going through or what he's trying to say, but they
Speaker 1: seem very generic, is it. That's something that you see
Speaker 1: often with these quarterbacks who are just trying to impress. Well.
Speaker 1: Do you think he might be a little programmed right, well?
Speaker 1: And or just maybe he's a little nervous about I
Speaker 1: think more talked about not being on the scared on
Speaker 1: the big stage. Though as a player, this is a
Speaker 1: very very smart individual right on the field and off.
Speaker 1: He knows all eyes are on him or right he's saying,
Speaker 1: so he is a little guarded with what he's saying.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he felt guarded. That's a perfect word, right, Dane,
Speaker 1: because it felt like he wasn't saying exactly what he
Speaker 1: wanted to say. Well, and like you mentioned, it's a
Speaker 1: job interview, and he knows it. He's very aware of
Speaker 1: what this opportunity means and what it could mean for
Speaker 1: his draft standing. So I think, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: want to look too much into that, but I do think, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, he's a very smart guy, and so he
Speaker 1: was very aware of all eyes being on him. What's
Speaker 1: he gonna say and how he's going to respond. So
Speaker 1: the awareness really stands out there. Yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: watching him practice during the way can I even said
Speaker 1: it on some of the shows we did, the draft
Speaker 1: show during the week that I thought he was trying
Speaker 1: to do a little too much. So for the game,
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like though his receivers really helped him
Speaker 1: at all. Now and I and we even showed it
Speaker 1: on Dallas Cowboys dot com ball placement. You mentioned that earlier.
Speaker 1: I mean the thing that I the question I had
Speaker 1: for him after the game postgame was and then again
Speaker 1: we had the video up on Dallas Cowboys dot com
Speaker 1: is he was talking about getting back to California and
Speaker 1: working on some things. And there's some things you saw
Speaker 1: him in the pocket, the footwork, I mean to take
Speaker 1: in the snaps, And I asked him, was that was
Speaker 1: that something that you tried in the game. Was it
Speaker 1: something that he said? No, No, I went back to
Speaker 1: what you know, what I knew. And there's sometimes when
Speaker 1: you watch him on North Dakota tape, the feet dude
Speaker 1: bounced a little bit in the pocket, you know, And
Speaker 1: and he had on the fourth and five throw that
Speaker 1: he made. I mean, he just let it fly, but
Speaker 1: it was just his you know, mechanics were bad and
Speaker 1: he was trying to you know, maybe he should have
Speaker 1: thrown the ball to Peyton, the UCLA receiver underneath and
Speaker 1: fight for another day. But he tried to make the
Speaker 1: big time throw to the outside to Braxton Miller. And
Speaker 1: you said that he models his play after Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: So he's trying. He's thinking. I've heard in the past
Speaker 1: when these quarterbacks are going through this draft process, they
Speaker 1: get asked a million times, who are you emulating your game? After?
Speaker 1: You know, it's things like that. So they watch a
Speaker 1: lot of tape they see what these guys in the
Speaker 1: league already successfully are doing. So and when I talked
Speaker 1: to Carson back in October, footwork was the first thing
Speaker 1: he yeah when I said, okay, obviously you're talented, but
Speaker 1: give me something you can work on, and footwork was
Speaker 1: his first response. And so he's very aware. And that's
Speaker 1: one thing I love about Golf and I love about Wentz.
Speaker 1: And I don't have a good I'm not saying packs
Speaker 1: the Lynch doesn't do this. I kind of a good
Speaker 1: feeling forget, but the ability to self evaluate they understand
Speaker 1: where they can get better and what they can work on.
Speaker 1: And that self awareness is huge. And for Carson, he's
Speaker 1: very smart, like I mentioned, and sometimes it's almost like
Speaker 1: he thinks too much out there. You know, you want
Speaker 1: to be able to see him. Uh. You know, it's
Speaker 1: good that he's going through his res hie to low,
Speaker 1: you know, but sometimes he's passing up uh. You know,
Speaker 1: a window that might not be you know, open by
Speaker 1: a large margin, but in the NFL that's open. You
Speaker 1: have to hit it. And so sometimes I just want
Speaker 1: to see him think less and just react. I think
Speaker 1: you make a great point because there's some throws he
Speaker 1: made again to the outside. Uh, you know, on the
Speaker 1: third down play, I think it was the more Chris Moore.
Speaker 1: I mean he hits, Yeah, he hits Chris Moore. He's
Speaker 1: stand in the middle of the pocket and it's disintegrating
Speaker 1: and he's standing there and he lets that thing fly
Speaker 1: and exactly and it gets there. You know, NFL ball,
Speaker 1: not a college I mean NFL ball, And it's right
Speaker 1: where more has to make that catch. That's a catch
Speaker 1: that and then Burbridge in practice on the slant I
Speaker 1: showed that one too. It clangs off these are NFL
Speaker 1: type throws, you know, And so where where I have
Speaker 1: him in my mind is I had him in that
Speaker 1: twenty to twenty eight kind of range. But you might
Speaker 1: be right about you know, you know, and we'll get
Speaker 1: it on your mock draft because you put him in
Speaker 1: a different spot. But I don't think we know where
Speaker 1: any of these quarterbacks are gonna go. That That's the
Speaker 1: problem I'm running into right now, is that, Okay, is
Speaker 1: he better than I have him? Still behind the other two?
Speaker 1: In my mind, I still have him in Paxson Lynch.
Speaker 1: It's no secret. I've talked about it a bunch on
Speaker 1: Twitter and all that. Paxon Lynch is my guy, you know.
Speaker 1: But this team, you know, at four quarterbacks in play,
Speaker 1: yea quarterback is definitely in play. And and I want
Speaker 1: to ask you though, it had to be a huge
Speaker 1: It had to be a very beneficial for for Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz to be able to work with the Cowboy coaches.
Speaker 1: I mean, that was sbsolutely and you knew that that
Speaker 1: was going to be his biggest benefit because on the
Speaker 1: other side it was Jacoby Bursaid and Jay Coker, and
Speaker 1: those are good quarterbacks. But for him to get the attention.
Speaker 1: And I remember hearing from a couple of the scouts,
Speaker 1: just in whispers in the halls about Carson Wentz before
Speaker 1: he was even this name, that he's become right closer
Speaker 1: to the draft. Right. But I had heard of him
Speaker 1: from a couple of scouts. Hey take a look at hey,
Speaker 1: And I was like, who is this guy? I had
Speaker 1: heard of North Dakota State obviously winning five national championships.
Speaker 1: But yes, to work with the coaches and to be
Speaker 1: with Garrett and Wade Wilson and Scott Lanahan one on
Speaker 1: one them to see, oh, you know what, this guy
Speaker 1: is good. He needs to just stop over analyzing everything
Speaker 1: and we can help him with that, with confidence and
Speaker 1: you know, working through things, just study. Yeah, So they'll
Speaker 1: see that and they'll take that into consideration. The quarterback
Speaker 1: lights you up there, I mean, and not to the
Speaker 1: point where you're gonna make it's this massive two three
Speaker 1: round run right, No, And there was nothing like that.
Speaker 1: It's obviously Carson Wentz than these other guys. Right. Um.
Speaker 1: I like Jeff Driscoll, I think the tools are there.
Speaker 1: I worry about um. You know, we mentioned it was
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, but with Driscoll thinking too much. I don't
Speaker 1: know how quick he sees things, doesn't anticipate. I worry
Speaker 1: about that. Brandon Allan from kans There you go. I'm
Speaker 1: leaving the horse to water here. I'm a Brandon Allen fan. Sure,
Speaker 1: a couple of I mean eight and a half inch
Speaker 1: hands at the way end, it's a red flag right
Speaker 1: especial he's gonna tell He's gonna tell you well, and
Speaker 1: you know it's it's not like bigger hands means you're
Speaker 1: a bigger quarterback, but smaller hands. There are concerns because
Speaker 1: of ball security. You know, your grip on the ball,
Speaker 1: especially if you go to a place like Cleveland. Yes,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to deal with some bad weather.
Speaker 1: Um it's more about a threshold. You know. For a
Speaker 1: lot of NFL teams, unless you have nine a quarter
Speaker 1: in chance, they won't even consider you. Right. So for
Speaker 1: Brandon Allen, uh, he needed to go to practice in
Speaker 1: the game and show well, and I think he did.
Speaker 1: And I think he has great tape to back to
Speaker 1: back it up. Absolutely was the best quarterback in the
Speaker 1: SEC this past year. Um, So I think Brandon Allen
Speaker 1: he has the tape that's gonna make scouts take notice.
Speaker 1: But the physical limitations you worry a little bit about that.
Speaker 1: Is he better than an AJ McCarron. See, that's what
Speaker 1: And now that's now when you start started hard, because
Speaker 1: we've seen AJ mccarren start in the NFL and he's done. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: can I can Brandon Allen. But it's the same I
Speaker 1: mean the same kind of physical traits. I mean maybe
Speaker 1: not the small hands, but just the game. I think
Speaker 1: he throws the ball better than AJ McCarn Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I don't think you're wrong. I do think that Brandon Allen,
Speaker 1: And he's the type of guy. I'm not sure he's
Speaker 1: a starter at the NFL level, but I think he
Speaker 1: can be like an AJ McCarron, step in if you
Speaker 1: need him for a couple of stars. Right, And so
Speaker 1: I think Brandon Allen. You're talking about the top quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in this group, the top seniors. Brandon Allen's probably somewhere
Speaker 1: in the top five seniors. Many tiers of quarterbacks do
Speaker 1: you have in your mind? How many quarterbacks do you have?
Speaker 1: What's hard? Because this quarterback class is so deep. I
Speaker 1: mean last year we had what six quarterbacks drafted? This
Speaker 1: year we might We're gonna have a dozen, okay, But
Speaker 1: I'm just saying though, at the level, you have the
Speaker 1: three that you think about, and then you have and
Speaker 1: now it's that exactly, and then that third tier you
Speaker 1: have that middle round guys that you think you can develop,
Speaker 1: like the Jeff Driscolls, and I think Brandon Allen's probably
Speaker 1: in there as well. Um, and then you have a
Speaker 1: later round guys. So I think Allan's probably in that
Speaker 1: middle round tier. You know the guy in the in
Speaker 1: the six round, would he'd be better? A better Hogan better,
Speaker 1: Briset better? And this is where you get you talk
Speaker 1: about ice cream flavor. It's gonna be different around the
Speaker 1: league because I know a lot of scouts like Hogan
Speaker 1: and the intangibles of leadership. But in terms of pure
Speaker 1: of quarterback play, I like Alan better. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: think and there are a lot of people that agree
Speaker 1: with that. But again, the eight and a half inch
Speaker 1: hands and a lot of these old physically he doesn't.
Speaker 1: We're the press box, we're watching him. He looks smaller
Speaker 1: than all the other quarterbacks. Stuff that Connor Cook, he
Speaker 1: brought up the name Connor Cooked. You're here. I wanted
Speaker 1: to say something about Brandon Allen as far as meeting him, Okay, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: he is an extremely impressive guy. Okay. He was the
Speaker 1: first guy I spoke with, So I might be biased
Speaker 1: just because he made a first impression. Yeah, but he
Speaker 1: knew all of these things. Like you're talking about self awareness.
Speaker 1: He was saying these things when our guys were interviewing
Speaker 1: him and saying, yes, I know I have smaller hands,
Speaker 1: Yes I know what you know. I played at Arkansas,
Speaker 1: did these things. He is extremely self aware, at least
Speaker 1: he seemed that way. Yeah. And you know the fact
Speaker 1: is is that what he did at Arkansas was he
Speaker 1: really developed night and day. You know the first two years. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Over the summer, Yeah, undrafted grades that didn't even gi
Speaker 1: him a chance. This past year as a senior, like
Speaker 1: I said, the best quarterback in the SEC, he helped
Speaker 1: himself tremendously over the last year. Well, you talk to
Speaker 1: people who follow Arkansas and they'll tell you he stopped
Speaker 1: making mistakes. He was a quarterback that was prone to
Speaker 1: make bad mistakes. And if you watched the Toledo game,
Speaker 1: it's one of the first ones. You're like a couple
Speaker 1: of mistakes there in the red Son, you know, cost
Speaker 1: him an opportunity. But then you watch the Old Miss
Speaker 1: game and he's letting it rip. And I thought it
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, I thought he was the most consistent
Speaker 1: quarterback when you talk about practice all the way through practice,
Speaker 1: some of these quarterbacks had days where they were this,
Speaker 1: and then they go this, and then they'd come back
Speaker 1: and then you know, so I was I was interested
Speaker 1: in that Prescott gets the player of the game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought that. I thought that Brandon Allen out played
Speaker 1: him myself, I think so. I mean the production was better.
Speaker 1: I mean Prescott, give him credit. He you know, show
Speaker 1: the team down on a scoring drive. But so to
Speaker 1: Brandon Allen, Right, Brandon Allen had a good week. And
Speaker 1: it's fair to point out too, the only reason Brandon
Speaker 1: Allen was there is because Connor Cook pulled out, right,
Speaker 1: the only reason if Connor Cook decide, Conner could decide
Speaker 1: to go to Mobile. We don't see Brandon Allen. I'm
Speaker 1: watching him at the Shrine game. So, um, well, good
Speaker 1: USC quarterbacks should have taken a hike out something about that.
Speaker 1: Decon dec Allen the helmet yea helps, Yeah, but for
Speaker 1: good for Brandon Allen to get that opportunity and take well,
Speaker 1: he maybe maybe elevating himself again. I'm not talking about
Speaker 1: a massive running up the board, but at least people
Speaker 1: have a little bit better idea. He does look small,
Speaker 1: I mean, but I'm kind of thinking I'm looking at
Speaker 1: a Jay McCarron, and I'm thinking he's a better a
Speaker 1: J McCarron. In my mind, I'm just watching back and
Speaker 1: buy that. Okay, defensive, I'll skip the defensive tackles because
Speaker 1: we always talk about the defensive, but they seem to
Speaker 1: be I mean Dolphins Washington though and then and then
Speaker 1: talk about all the ranking. Didn't get to see him
Speaker 1: in the game because of injury. But to me sellon
Speaker 1: rankins he in my top fifty board that I released
Speaker 1: before the Senior Bowl. I had him at twenty two.
Speaker 1: He's moving up. He's better than the twenty second player
Speaker 1: in this draft class. Uh Noah Spence East there ago, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was fantastic all week, the best pass
Speaker 1: rusher um in Mobile and you can make the argument
Speaker 1: he's the best pass rusher in this draft. I say
Speaker 1: it all the time on Twitter, and you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. I have no problem throwing out
Speaker 1: there that Noah Spence Kentucky is it. And you're an
Speaker 1: Ohio State guy. You follow Ohio State though, and you
Speaker 1: you know his history as far as when he was
Speaker 1: at Ohio State, right better than Bosa am I right about? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And as a pass rusher, absolutely so. And to be fair,
Speaker 1: we talk a lot about Spence and how good he
Speaker 1: is as a pass rusher. He has some issues against
Speaker 1: the run. She's not a perfect prospect by any rides.
Speaker 1: But you look at the Super Bowl teams that we have,
Speaker 1: they can get to the quarterback, especially the Broncos. And
Speaker 1: so if Noah Spence, if he can get to the
Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL, he's gonna play for a long time.
Speaker 1: And as long as he stays clean off the field,
Speaker 1: which a lot of people are believers in him. That's
Speaker 1: why I think he's gonna end up in the first round,
Speaker 1: even though his baggage says I'm a second third round pick,
Speaker 1: project kind of guy, like a Tyron Matthew was. I
Speaker 1: think someone's gonna take a chance. Yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people right now that are looking at Tyron Matthew
Speaker 1: and going, oh, how stupid do we feel? Yeah? Well,
Speaker 1: it's tough. You have to take in each individual and
Speaker 1: that's trick him down and trigure out what makes him tick.
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't. I've heard some good things
Speaker 1: coming out of the interview process at the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: the way Spence handled himself. And again I've I've talked
Speaker 1: to his former coaches. I've talked to his former teammates.
Speaker 1: They all speak very highly of him as a person.
Speaker 1: More of a bad mistake, you know, type of thing,
Speaker 1: but nothing that's, you know, long term that you really
Speaker 1: have to worry about. Reminds me of a smaller version
Speaker 1: of Robert Quinn than rammed out. Oh yeah, absolutely, fact,
Speaker 1: did you get to meet with any of the defensive
Speaker 1: line and anybody get to talk so about no spense.
Speaker 1: I had known about that storyline going into the week,
Speaker 1: and I'd read a couple of different articles I just
Speaker 1: found and I thought it was interesting though, because sometimes
Speaker 1: when you've seen these guys make these mistakes as far
Speaker 1: as what he did, and that was an addiction, Right,
Speaker 1: he went to Eastern Kentucky and he still continued to
Speaker 1: produce well and maybe he still had a high performance, right,
Speaker 1: which is interesting because if he was this guy who's
Speaker 1: still struggling or something. You might have seen him kind
Speaker 1: of even now plateau or even decrease in certain things.
Speaker 1: But what I appreciate but appreciate about him is that
Speaker 1: he's continuing to excel and work harder and show like
Speaker 1: you're saying, this was a mistake, and you know, I'm
Speaker 1: learning from it. I'm hoping to get better. I still
Speaker 1: have this possibility and dream. And one area where he
Speaker 1: deserves a lot of credit is after he got kicked
Speaker 1: out of Ohio State, he almost went pro, and he
Speaker 1: had that opportunity. He would have been drafted probably in
Speaker 1: the six seventh round, sure, but he decided to transfer
Speaker 1: to rebuild that draft stock and show that, hey, I'm
Speaker 1: a good player. He was drug tested over a dozen
Speaker 1: times at Eastern Kentucky. He told the coaches, please drug
Speaker 1: test me as much as possible, and he passed every test.
Speaker 1: So now you know, going forward, where is he going
Speaker 1: to end up in the draft. He's a wildcard, true
Speaker 1: wild card, but again somewhere in the top twenty, somebody's
Speaker 1: gonna get announced. Players and and and you said, case
Speaker 1: by case, Will McClay and I asked him about that
Speaker 1: box players. You know, case by case, Brian, it's you
Speaker 1: know some days, you know you got to figure it out.
Speaker 1: You were talking about, hey, his game is going this
Speaker 1: way as far as off the field stuff, you're talking
Speaker 1: about his ability real quick. Before we go to break though,
Speaker 1: the talk of the buzz of practice was another Ohio
Speaker 1: State guy, Braxton Miller, and so again another wildcard potentially.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've talked about him as a top sixty
Speaker 1: type player though he is, and I had him in
Speaker 1: my first round mock this this week. I think that
Speaker 1: it would not shock me at all if he ends
Speaker 1: up there. You look at some of these receivers that
Speaker 1: have gone first round and you know the past couple
Speaker 1: of years in the late first round, Braxon Miller can
Speaker 1: certainly end up there. He's still it's clear that he
Speaker 1: obviously needs a lot of work mechanically with his routes.
Speaker 1: You know, we saw him take five six steps at
Speaker 1: the top of route, so he still needs work. He
Speaker 1: had to drop pass in the game, but he impressed
Speaker 1: me with his hands throughout the week, very natural, quick reflexes.
Speaker 1: So I think Braxon Miller, he's going to be more
Speaker 1: of a gadget player as a rookie. But by year two,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be pushing for a start out role. So
Speaker 1: you had a chance to meet with Braxon Miller. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Braxon Miller stepped aside and talked to us. He's got
Speaker 1: the flash, he and he knows it. He exactly, you know,
Speaker 1: he knows that, Hey, I was this big stug quarterback, right,
Speaker 1: I decided that the best thing for my game is
Speaker 1: to take the wide receiver game. And he's just got
Speaker 1: he's got this air about him. Deva like very much.
Speaker 1: So Scott, this is diva. You know my name, I
Speaker 1: don't know your name kind of thing, which is an
Speaker 1: NFL wide receiver, right, the flash but what I don't
Speaker 1: even know your name? But yeah, it does knows. So
Speaker 1: the thing that I would worry about him is that
Speaker 1: he's going to go in and be like, I'm fine,
Speaker 1: they want me on their team. I'm a name, you
Speaker 1: want me. Yeah, we'll see the interesting guy though. I
Speaker 1: mean he's a he's a he's an interesting cat. He's
Speaker 1: been Columbus and Ohio State media have been all over him.
Speaker 1: So he's very well rehearsed. And you know he's been
Speaker 1: through all this before all these questions. He used to
Speaker 1: this exposure. Carson Wentz is probably not in Braxon. He's
Speaker 1: a true competitor. The biggest concern I have with him
Speaker 1: can he stay healthy? Yeah? I think the durability. It's
Speaker 1: a little different when you're going over the middle and
Speaker 1: you have safeties and linebackers about to pop you. So
Speaker 1: I think Braxon Miller can be a good pro. Biggest
Speaker 1: thing I worry about Kenny stay healthy. Yeah, And that's
Speaker 1: funny you say that, and then I'll let you get
Speaker 1: to break. But Wednesday, we're watching practice and he sits
Speaker 1: down with doctor Jim walks over and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: not get trainer Jim. Yeah. I'm like, oh no, but
Speaker 1: he was fine. But you're right, well, that he made
Speaker 1: through the game in that is key. But I think
Speaker 1: he's another one. He's walker. I like what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Top sixty could very well be a first round player. Okay,
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Speaker 1: would be talking badly about him. All right, take us
Speaker 1: take us down the past. It's gonna go as I
Speaker 1: see them. And if I mess up your name. I apologize.
Speaker 1: I'm just reading them as quickly and as easy as
Speaker 1: I can. Sounds good, okay. Philippe wants to know who
Speaker 1: are the RBS running backs fitting in our scheme that
Speaker 1: could be available round three to five. We'll get that
Speaker 1: a crack there. Dane guy we saw in mobile with
Speaker 1: Kenneth Thick. Oh, how about that. It's a good start.
Speaker 1: I mean, he some people think he might go in
Speaker 1: the second round. I think third rounds kind of the
Speaker 1: spot for him. To me. Yeah, he has a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of miles on his on him, but
Speaker 1: you know, I think he can do everything well. I
Speaker 1: don't think he stands out in one particular area. This
Speaker 1: is what he does really well, right, But he's just
Speaker 1: steady across the board, catch a ball in the backfield, quickness, power,
Speaker 1: a lot of things there that you want. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what too. Make sure you check out
Speaker 1: Booker two from Utah, precise from Notre Dame. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about Howard from Indiana Collins Art. These are all guys
Speaker 1: at Yeah, someone's gonna figure this out. Maybe more like
Speaker 1: Tay two three four, kind of those kind of in
Speaker 1: that middle of the thing. If you want to go
Speaker 1: down a little bit further in the draft though. You
Speaker 1: know I didn't mention Henry. I know some people have
Speaker 1: Henry little higher. I know you would probably got Kelvin
Speaker 1: Taylor from Florida would be another one. Taylor's son, Fred
Speaker 1: Taylor's son. I was with mc Jacksoncuy. I'm an old man.
Speaker 1: I time Fred Taylor's Florida. But yeah, those are the
Speaker 1: types of names, Drake Perkins, Urban, these are all. It's
Speaker 1: a good run of running backs suit there if you
Speaker 1: want to just suit out this entire draft. Okay, next one,
Speaker 1: we lack speed at wide receiver. Who's on your radar
Speaker 1: that can help with special teams in round three or
Speaker 1: four special teams receiver? So I'm first thought I thought
Speaker 1: was Braxton Miller was doing some punt return stuff. He
Speaker 1: obviously has a natural speed, but he probably is not
Speaker 1: a three or four guy A bunch Moore Fuller from
Speaker 1: rootre Dame. Yeah, he's he'll take the top off a defense. Yeah. Now,
Speaker 1: he's a player that I think similar to Devin Smith
Speaker 1: last year. He can step in, he can, he can
Speaker 1: work as a gunner, he can, he can help you
Speaker 1: out on special teams. I was just talking about speed,
Speaker 1: how about made the May kid from Miss j He
Speaker 1: impressed Mail. Yeah, in Mobile. I liked him in Minnesota,
Speaker 1: but you know, obviously under size, not the fastest, but
Speaker 1: he's quick, very quick, and so I said, he's very
Speaker 1: Duayne Harrislide because he had two tackles on special teams,
Speaker 1: on a kickoff team, and then also they threw him,
Speaker 1: they ran him on some reverses. They tried to get
Speaker 1: him to football. He was one of if you watched
Speaker 1: when the Jacksonville coaches Jerry soul Of my old guy,
Speaker 1: when they were doing the stock and engaged drills. He
Speaker 1: was going at it with side Jones and kJ May.
Speaker 1: He's a Mobile native and so a lot of us thought, well,
Speaker 1: he's getting the mercy. And he played if he belonged there.
Speaker 1: He was one of the top five receivers of the
Speaker 1: Minnesota May. Keep an eye on our guy, Damien Wilson
Speaker 1: here was pumping him all week. Minnesota guy. All right,
Speaker 1: let's just make this one quick, justin who are you
Speaker 1: taking at four between Jack and Spence? To me, it's Jack.
Speaker 1: I mean I like Spence quite a bit. To me, Jack,
Speaker 1: he's see, that's what we're going to get a bunch
Speaker 1: of these questions, so we'll just rule through ut. Yeah,
Speaker 1: would you guys prefer Jack or Elliott plus a third? Okay? There,
Speaker 1: somebody's talking about it, like talking about moving back and
Speaker 1: picking up an extra pick in this draft and to
Speaker 1: get Elliott, you're gonna go out of the top ten.
Speaker 1: A you're gonna keep it and you can stay inside
Speaker 1: the top ten. Well, if I want, if my purpose
Speaker 1: of moving back is to get Elliott, then I feel
Speaker 1: like I have to get him within the top ten.
Speaker 1: I mean I look at the Giants number ten. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's a possibility. There's some other spots. So
Speaker 1: people say they might go defense there. Oh I think,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, sure absolutely. But it's similar to the Rams
Speaker 1: last year, where you know they thought the Rams are
Speaker 1: gonna do but at some point Zeke just is too
Speaker 1: good to pass up. And with all Ben mculdoo, the
Speaker 1: Giant's head coach, you know he wants balance, you know,
Speaker 1: he's a passing guy. The chance to bring in Zeke,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's going to happen, but has a
Speaker 1: good chance to happen. They can take the running back
Speaker 1: in the third. Get ready. Yeah, when I read that,
Speaker 1: on your mock draft this week. I was like, Oh, no,
Speaker 1: we're gonna just be you know, facing the Giants two
Speaker 1: times a year. We got a zeke on the ground,
Speaker 1: we got Odell over here, And I was like, no,
Speaker 1: that's why it's a possibility, because every other team in
Speaker 1: the division's gonna have that same reaction. Oh, it's just brutal.
Speaker 1: When I saw that, was like, they could do that,
Speaker 1: and it would be extremely smart. You would have to
Speaker 1: find a way. Then you got to find a trading partner,
Speaker 1: and you gotta find somebody that's willing to dance up
Speaker 1: there and who wants to trade up. And that's what
Speaker 1: we're gonna try. And and we got to figure out
Speaker 1: though in this draft, folks, when you ask these questions,
Speaker 1: figure out what you're coming for. I mean, hey, which
Speaker 1: it sounds real nice and easy. Hey, Jerry's gonna pick
Speaker 1: up the phone. Hey, San Francisco, we want your third.
Speaker 1: You know, you need something, You need somebody, and it
Speaker 1: might be it might be what if bosas on the
Speaker 1: board or somebody that somebody coverts, you know, maybe the
Speaker 1: receiver they cover it. Maybe it's Jack they cover it.
Speaker 1: Dallas is in a good position, get a guy, especially
Speaker 1: like you say, a lot of people have or higher
Speaker 1: on Bosa than I am. And that's okay. But the quarterbacks, quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: to look at the Rams sitting there, they're moving to La. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who's their quarterback? Nick Foley, case Keenum. They need a
Speaker 1: quarterback and the face of the franchise. Do they wait
Speaker 1: at fifteen and hope a pass fish you're moving? Do
Speaker 1: they love someone enough that, hey, I'm gonna move up
Speaker 1: and get my quarterback. I'm not gonna hope they're thinking.
Speaker 1: I'm sending out these brochures for people to buy season
Speaker 1: tickets and we're gonna put Nick Foles out. Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: did you guys just tell me you're gonna drop from
Speaker 1: four to fifteen to make I'm just saying possible trade partners.
Speaker 1: I mean, in order to trade back guys, our teams
Speaker 1: have to want to move up and just looking at
Speaker 1: teams that might want to have that in claim the
Speaker 1: Rams are aggressive team. You're right right out there, okay, Drain,
Speaker 1: I hope I said that right? What draft great do
Speaker 1: you give Martin? After the Senior Bowl? Nick Martin? Nick Martin,
Speaker 1: he was a third rounder going away though he was
Speaker 1: a third round or third round when we leave, I
Speaker 1: gotta can play center or guard. Just a not quite
Speaker 1: as physically gifted version of his brother, right, So that
Speaker 1: versatility's key. But I thought he had a nice week
Speaker 1: in movie. You know, he's not as strong. I'll say
Speaker 1: he's a he's a great position I mean just position
Speaker 1: block or kind of thing. Blithe, the kid from Iowa,
Speaker 1: I thought was the best center in the day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I like what he did playing guard too. Keep
Speaker 1: an eye on Blie. I like Jack Allen better the
Speaker 1: Michigan State set. Okay, yeah, both these big ten guys.
Speaker 1: What and Jack Allen he looks he doesn't look like
Speaker 1: he belongs on an NFL just not physically impressive, but
Speaker 1: low man wins. He understands that. Yeah, and he works
Speaker 1: hard to finish. So I think Jack Allen really impressed
Speaker 1: Jack Allen on tape. I agree with what you're saying.
Speaker 1: People are gonna fall in love with Kelly from Alabama.
Speaker 1: I think it's a good year. If you need a center,
Speaker 1: very good you can find. Again, a lot of teams
Speaker 1: do a fourth round. We're going to see these centers
Speaker 1: come off the board, absolutely all right. I've seen a
Speaker 1: couple of these questions. So let's just get this out
Speaker 1: of the way. What is the total amount of picture
Speaker 1: including picks for the Cowboys? Well, we won't know until yeah, officially,
Speaker 1: officially until the owner's meetings here and the first weekend
Speaker 1: in Marching. Like that, right, they're thinking that doubt. And
Speaker 1: I've just seen some projections. A four and three sixes
Speaker 1: is what I've heard from from just projections. Again, don't
Speaker 1: take me to tap, but that that's some people have
Speaker 1: done some research on this and what the balance is?
Speaker 1: It sound like a four and potentially three sixes to
Speaker 1: go with that. So you don't have a fifth, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't have a fifth. So add everything else up
Speaker 1: with what I next thing on. It's really on our
Speaker 1: radar as the combine coming up, that's gonna be there
Speaker 1: February twenty third, twenty fourth, something like that, and then
Speaker 1: after that that's well, have a better idea of the
Speaker 1: projection and the three sixes potentially. How do you feel
Speaker 1: about drafting Dak Prescott in the three four rounds? Maybe
Speaker 1: a way to get immediate playmakers and a quarterback to develop,
Speaker 1: and I think it's clay. What do you what do
Speaker 1: you think Dak Prescott can be. Do you think he
Speaker 1: could be a future starter? To me, I don't. I
Speaker 1: think it could be a solid backup in this league.
Speaker 1: I give him a lot of credit. Last year I
Speaker 1: thought he was a thrower. Yeah, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: like the way he throws. I mean I like his
Speaker 1: throwing ideal, Right, but he's he said a lot of
Speaker 1: records in the SEC. Well, he and he became much
Speaker 1: more of a passer this past year. I mean you
Speaker 1: could see it develop it and I give him a
Speaker 1: lot of credit. I think he is a much better
Speaker 1: version of Tim Tebow. I mean, he's what people wanted
Speaker 1: Tim Tebow to be when he was in the league
Speaker 1: when he was drafted first round. That's who Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: could be. But at the same time, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: I see an NFL starter. I see a guy that
Speaker 1: can be a backup. So where how early do you
Speaker 1: feel comfortable drafting a backup? To me? That's more fourth ka.
Speaker 1: We talked about the levels of levels of quarterback. Where
Speaker 1: does he fit in the levels of quarterbacks? Probably in
Speaker 1: there with Dress, Drift School and Allen Yeah, you right
Speaker 1: after them, Hogan, right exactly in that middle rounds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it'd be interesting how these quarterbacks come off the board.
Speaker 1: And that's interesting that you're talking about how deep this
Speaker 1: class is, because what you're going to have from this
Speaker 1: class is you're going to have a couple of Matt Castles,
Speaker 1: people who have been in the league for a very
Speaker 1: long time. They've benefited from being kind of a professional
Speaker 1: backup for lack of a better term, and we may
Speaker 1: see that come out of this class, especially because a
Speaker 1: lot of these guys are kind of like that, you
Speaker 1: just swarm on your team. He's been preaching this all along,
Speaker 1: and I think he's right. I'm finally catching up to
Speaker 1: you on this. A lot of guys maybe not potential starters,
Speaker 1: but then but all of a sudden, you use them
Speaker 1: as a backup and then they get it and like
Speaker 1: just what Tay said, all of a sudden, you're seeing
Speaker 1: a guy and it's like, oh, we remember talking about
Speaker 1: him on the Draft show. It really didn't Fitzpatrick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we didn't. We didn't feel like he was Yeah, we
Speaker 1: didn't feel like he was a start at that time.
Speaker 1: But now all of a sudden, boom, things come on.
Speaker 1: He's in the right system, he's with the right offense,
Speaker 1: right scheme, and it makes it work. And this year
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl usually only takes six quarterbacks. This they
Speaker 1: at eight, and the Strine Game still had some quality
Speaker 1: quarterback prospects with Brandon Dowdy and Jake Rudoc Michigan. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so this quarterback claws just really really deep in terms
Speaker 1: of players that you might want to develop them. There
Speaker 1: might be something there. Yeah. That's just the most interesting
Speaker 1: thing to me about the quarterback position is because it's
Speaker 1: so temperamental, Like you're saying, you know, are you with
Speaker 1: the right offense, are you with the right coaches? Are
Speaker 1: these people really helping you get play? Yeah? Are you
Speaker 1: training right so that when you get do go to
Speaker 1: the combine, if you get invited, that you're able to
Speaker 1: show your best. So it's interesting, all right, if Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith was healthy, who would be ranked hire? Who are
Speaker 1: your pro comparisons to him? Josh wants to know. Josh
Speaker 1: wants to know your pro comparisons to Jalen Smith. He's
Speaker 1: tough because he's such a freak athlete. Yeah, he's twitchy. Hey,
Speaker 1: he moves around with these he looks like a safety
Speaker 1: running around out there. Um, you know, I heard the
Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner comparisons a little bit. I don't mind that one. Um,
Speaker 1: But if even if he was healthy, Jack still top linebacker, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had tagged or touching, you know, in my mind
Speaker 1: even though I projected Jack to play. Is that I
Speaker 1: like what I'm hearing. I like what I'm seeing him.
Speaker 1: We're seeing some like some little little bits of video
Speaker 1: coming out about Jack moving around, going through the bag.
Speaker 1: DRIs to be a full participant at the combine. So
Speaker 1: if that's the case, by all means, let's go and
Speaker 1: and and to me that tape. You watch either tape,
Speaker 1: he would be happy with either one of those players
Speaker 1: if they were on your team. Well, Vernon Hargraves be
Speaker 1: an option for the Cowboys at first at the fourth
Speaker 1: at the fourth pick. If not, if you watch him
Speaker 1: grittish teeth there. Okay, Well the second part of the question,
Speaker 1: if not, what are his downside? So you can answer
Speaker 1: that size? Yeah, I think he doesn't always play big.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that for a corner that's going
Speaker 1: to measure under five eleven ye, Um, that that really
Speaker 1: hurts them. And I think that shows at times on tape. Now,
Speaker 1: he's a really competitive kid. He's a coach's son. I
Speaker 1: love the instincts, the aggressiveness, There's a lot of things
Speaker 1: you love about him. He's a first round player. But
Speaker 1: to take him at four, he better be a guy
Speaker 1: that I'm he's stepping in from day one and he's
Speaker 1: gonna be a big impact for him. Me and I
Speaker 1: don't think that he consistently plays up to the competition
Speaker 1: now he's facing some of these bigger wide receivers. Sometimes
Speaker 1: he just he just doesn't have an answer for would
Speaker 1: you rather? Would you rather take say Ramsey as a
Speaker 1: safety prospect at four and then try there? There's enough
Speaker 1: corners in this draft in my opinion, Apple kid, There's
Speaker 1: some kids. Yeah, there's enough guy Apple and Clemson's Alexander.
Speaker 1: Would you rate them? For Give me some guys with
Speaker 1: some length, give me some guys that and that's what again,
Speaker 1: when when you talk about when when you talk about
Speaker 1: Alexander and you talk about the Florida kid, you're talking
Speaker 1: about smaller guys, you know, And even though the smaller
Speaker 1: guys side Jones the other day played well, I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, there's some shorter guys, but man, this league
Speaker 1: is about getting in there and playing with you know,
Speaker 1: knocking balls away, being rangey, being tall, being able to
Speaker 1: physically handle things on the end. That doesn't mean he
Speaker 1: can't play. Of course, there's a spot for him in
Speaker 1: the NFL, but we're talking about taking a corner at
Speaker 1: number four. Overall, I just think there'll be better players there,
Speaker 1: all right. So g Money must have not seen your
Speaker 1: mock draft because he said love the show. I'm a
Speaker 1: Browns fan, and I know Dana is from Northeastern Ohio.
Speaker 1: Do you think Wentz maybe Brown's pick at number two?
Speaker 1: And you did say about this, I have to have
Speaker 1: Wentz at number two to the Browns. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: in the discussion. The Browns obviously need to find that quarterback,
Speaker 1: and in this draft there's a few enticing options with
Speaker 1: Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, maybe Paxson Lynch. And to me,
Speaker 1: Wentz represents the anti man Zell for Cleveland. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's just so many things about Wentz that is the
Speaker 1: opposite of Johnny Football. So you know, Wentz is not
Speaker 1: a perfect prospect. Obviously, he has some question marks, especially
Speaker 1: coming from the FCS level. But if the Browns are
Speaker 1: sold on him as a guy that can lead them
Speaker 1: to the playoffs down the road you have to take.
Speaker 1: Let's not talk Johnny, but is once a comparison to
Speaker 1: Brandon Whedon, not just the He's a much better athlete
Speaker 1: than Brandon Weedon. I think that was a big That's
Speaker 1: the big downfall for Whedon is he just can't move
Speaker 1: in the pocket and there's a lot of other things.
Speaker 1: But Wentz is going to be able to do that, right.
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz is a souped up Alex Smith. He's bigger
Speaker 1: like that, a stronger arm. But you see the same intelligence,
Speaker 1: the same athleticism, the way they move in the pocket,
Speaker 1: outside the pocket, extending plays. So I think Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: and look at Alex Smith what he's being able to do.
Speaker 1: I think Carson Wentz is that type of player. Let
Speaker 1: me carry Gimney's questionable further for a Browns fan. Then
Speaker 1: would you see them potentially going best player and then
Speaker 1: waiting to the top of the second round to grab
Speaker 1: much like what San Diego did with La Danian, Tom
Speaker 1: would send and then Drew Brees. Would you see with
Speaker 1: with the with kind of the bad luck that you
Speaker 1: want to say that they've had with quarterbacks in the
Speaker 1: first round, could we see a flip where they say,
Speaker 1: let's just take the best player. They maybe they did
Speaker 1: that with the Quarner. They probably thought the quarner of
Speaker 1: the drafts from Oklaouma stay over. Gilbert's been up, been
Speaker 1: a bust for them, right, But when we have to
Speaker 1: remember there's a brand new regime there in Cleveland and
Speaker 1: Sashi Brown and that that brain trust. They're a big
Speaker 1: believer in the numbers. They're a big believer in I mean,
Speaker 1: they're very confident group. So if they think there's a
Speaker 1: quarterback that can lead into the playoffs, that's the pick.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna wait. And so they don't care about
Speaker 1: what anyone else thinks. They trust what they what their
Speaker 1: scouts say, and what they think. So I think a
Speaker 1: quarterback at number two, it's becoming more and more clear
Speaker 1: that I think that's the direction they go. Yeah, remember this,
Speaker 1: Hugh as a hut so he'll know all about that.
Speaker 1: And you know Hugh wants to get a quarterback run
Speaker 1: is off. Absolutely. Okay, that's it. We've got We've got
Speaker 1: them all. We've got them all. Okay, we're gonna take
Speaker 1: a break here from the SWBC Mortgage Studios Against the
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Speaker 1: have a lot of good content for you with interviews
Speaker 1: and stories and rumors, whatever you want to know, we'll
Speaker 1: figure it all out. So with that all being said,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna open up phones I'm gonna take a call
Speaker 1: here and then I want to get into your mock draft.
Speaker 1: So I got something holding Kent when we got today,
Speaker 1: Warren in Ohio, you're up, go ahead, you doing today? Good?
Speaker 1: All right? Uh? I was. I was thinking that, Dallas,
Speaker 1: we need to go ahead and we need to eat
Speaker 1: a draft a running back or another tight end or
Speaker 1: somebody in the middle of the defensive line, because I
Speaker 1: think we pretty sat at a quarterback. We got Romo
Speaker 1: already under contract for years, and if we do draft
Speaker 1: another quarterback, maybe do it next year, not this year. Okay, thanks,
Speaker 1: thank you Rauch for the call. And I don't think
Speaker 1: he I mean there. I think there's a large portion
Speaker 1: of Cowboys fans who agrees with that. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: you're you're picking a number four. You have a chance
Speaker 1: to pick a quarterback with a lot of potential, but
Speaker 1: that's all it is right now, with potential, a young
Speaker 1: kid who you hope could be something one day, but
Speaker 1: it's far from our sure thing. And you have a
Speaker 1: window right now with Romo to win. So I and
Speaker 1: I tend to agree. I as much as I would
Speaker 1: love to take one of these quarterbacks at four, I
Speaker 1: have a window right now to win and drafting a
Speaker 1: Miles Jack or a player like that can help my
Speaker 1: defense from day one and help me win in two
Speaker 1: N sixteen, would you draft huntsels forward? Not? I love Tonsil,
Speaker 1: he's the best player in this draft, but for this team,
Speaker 1: right I would not draft them for this team because
Speaker 1: at some point you have to pay all these guys,
Speaker 1: and my offensive line's already really really good. I need
Speaker 1: help elsewhere. Yeah, I am going to start saying what
Speaker 1: Brian is saying about minimizing the risk. It is and
Speaker 1: and it's balancing that, but you also have to be fearless.
Speaker 1: You know, you know you do, and it's a balance
Speaker 1: to how you do that. No, no, no, that will
Speaker 1: make the draft fascinating and impossible. It's same, But minimize
Speaker 1: a risk. Tation is willing to take a risk. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he'll take a risk, there's no doub about. But see,
Speaker 1: that's the thing about is I'm saying that just for
Speaker 1: that that that fourth pack, I think whoever, they could
Speaker 1: put five names on the board and one of those
Speaker 1: names is going to show up and they go ahead
Speaker 1: and pick him and that and that that's fine, but
Speaker 1: then you've got to think about Okay, minimize the risk
Speaker 1: of the names. Think about, Okay, would I really take
Speaker 1: this guy? Would I really take this guy? That's what
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be really important for the board.
Speaker 1: I think they can they can gamble and do some
Speaker 1: things in the second, third, fourth round. I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1: At the top of that, and he mentioned interior defensive line.
Speaker 1: This this is gonna get a lot of help. There's
Speaker 1: going to be a double digit defensive tackles draft in
Speaker 1: the top fifties. So when you're sitting there at thirty four,
Speaker 1: that's prime location, prime real estate for one of these
Speaker 1: defensive tackles to fall to you right, whether that's a
Speaker 1: Vernon Butler and Austin Johnson. I think Andrew Billings could
Speaker 1: be there. I don't think he's a lock first round pick.
Speaker 1: I think it's possible he could be there. So I'm
Speaker 1: sitting at thirty four and i'm's your best tackle. I'm
Speaker 1: looking one technique Billings, No, I like drawn read better
Speaker 1: at Alabama. I have him above, and I also Sheldon Rankins.
Speaker 1: He moved up. He's my number two defensive tackle overall.
Speaker 1: Probably more of a three technique though, but he can
Speaker 1: do everything. I mean three. Four teams will love him
Speaker 1: four three teams to love him. He can two gas
Speaker 1: doesn't do anything. Miss he's my think, what number three
Speaker 1: defensive tackle? It's tough. He's one of the top ten
Speaker 1: talents in this class, just not one of the top
Speaker 1: ten football players. And so at one point do you
Speaker 1: take a chance on him? I think he could be
Speaker 1: really good and all pro in this league. I'm just
Speaker 1: not convinced he loves football enough to work at it
Speaker 1: and reach its potential. Dig into his mock draft, what
Speaker 1: do you think? What do you think Connor Cook? First rounder?
Speaker 1: And remember with these mock drafts, it's never was I
Speaker 1: think should happen. It's always what I think team, and
Speaker 1: it's all about scenarios. Look, you know we're three months
Speaker 1: to the draft. I'm not going to look back at
Speaker 1: this draft and see, oh see, I told you this
Speaker 1: is more about scenarios, what could happen, how it could
Speaker 1: play out. And with the Texans sitting there at twenty two, yeah,
Speaker 1: if the three quarterbacks off the board, yeah, you know
Speaker 1: the top three Golf Wentz and Lynch and the Texans
Speaker 1: are sitting there at twenty two, Hackenburg and Cook are
Speaker 1: right there. Do they pull the trigger on one of
Speaker 1: those two, do they try and wait till the second round.
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien's entering year three in Houston. He needs to
Speaker 1: make a splash with one of these quarterbacks. I don't
Speaker 1: know Tom Savage. I don't think he's the future there.
Speaker 1: So it just it would not shock me at all
Speaker 1: if Connor Cook or Christian Hackenburg go at that twenty s.
Speaker 1: When I read it, it made complete sense and I thought, well,
Speaker 1: of course, this is why you would put him there.
Speaker 1: But my feelings about Connor Cook and I said this
Speaker 1: even at the beginning of the year when he was
Speaker 1: kind of a heisman buzz and I just think he
Speaker 1: might be your bust. And I hate to say that,
Speaker 1: and it maybe egg on my face a year from
Speaker 1: now because he could go and light it up. But
Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is is that I think
Speaker 1: he benefited from his weapons around him at Michigan State.
Speaker 1: He benefited from having a solid defense, strong run game,
Speaker 1: strong run game, and the fact that he's having all
Speaker 1: these questions about his intangibles. Is he a leader? Is
Speaker 1: he someone who can be a backup? And take that mentally,
Speaker 1: we'll see he's working with George Whitfield, who I you know,
Speaker 1: I've always admired a lot of respect, appreciated his work
Speaker 1: with former quarterbacks. One plane in the Super Bowl, this
Speaker 1: Sunday Cam, so who knows what George will say. George
Speaker 1: is very good at getting these guys to combat what
Speaker 1: people are thinking against them. Right. He did that with Johnny,
Speaker 1: you know, he made it. He did everything in Johnny's
Speaker 1: pro day that people were thinking is against him. Right.
Speaker 1: He's probably gonna do that with other guy, another guy
Speaker 1: he's working with though, And I know, well, yes, Cardinal
Speaker 1: Jones about him. Yeah, he's he's one of Dave Helmet's
Speaker 1: favorite and figured he weared the plaid and wear the
Speaker 1: plaid of Ohio. Stay for sure on that one. Gonna
Speaker 1: go through, just go through real quick. Here tounsil to
Speaker 1: the Titans, wins to the Browns, Chargers take Bosa, puts
Speaker 1: the Cowboys on the clock. Miles Jack, talk about you happy?
Speaker 1: I am very happy. Day. He could play any of
Speaker 1: the linebacker spots. Like I said, he helps you from
Speaker 1: day one. And it's hard to come up with like
Speaker 1: a true apples apples comparison for him. But and this
Speaker 1: is high praise, I know, But if you combine some
Speaker 1: of the strengths from Luke Keekley and some of the
Speaker 1: strengths from his teammate Thomas Davis, and you combined him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have something similar to what Miles Jack could be.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's that type of athlete. His contact balance
Speaker 1: and outstanding and instincts. He's just a rare athlete, a
Speaker 1: rare specimen for the position. So there's a lot of
Speaker 1: things you can do with him. How hard was it
Speaker 1: not to take Ramsey or Golf at that point? It was?
Speaker 1: But you know, if I'm sticking and looking at the board,
Speaker 1: Jack is number two for me, behind Tunsel and Ramsey's
Speaker 1: number three. I think Jalen Ramsey would be an outstanding pick.
Speaker 1: Can help you at corner, can help you at safety.
Speaker 1: He's just a true playmaker. So I think Ramsey he's
Speaker 1: coming off the board with the next pick for the Jaguars.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna last very long. New general manager Chris
Speaker 1: Greer at Miami you like him taking Noah Spence at eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: here's your top ten guy. Yeah, and someone's gonna take
Speaker 1: a chance on him, and I think someone's going to
Speaker 1: be very happy they took a chance on him. Um,
Speaker 1: you know I mentioned you know, Vernon's about to hit
Speaker 1: free agency. There, Cameron Wakes not getting any younger, So
Speaker 1: I think Noah Spence could step in. I think, ideally
Speaker 1: I'd love to see Noah Spence in a three four
Speaker 1: defense where he can you know, really you know, work
Speaker 1: with space and really benefit from that. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, he's a pass rusher and all teams need that.
Speaker 1: Soam me at eight it looks like a possible fit.
Speaker 1: When you talked about you had the Saints taken Treadwell
Speaker 1: at twelve there, Yeah, they're new Marquis Colston. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I think he could be that new Marky's Colston for him,
Speaker 1: that big, size, good athlete. The ball skills are all
Speaker 1: standing in the catching radius and playing opposite Brandon Cooks.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna give Drew Brees, you know, one
Speaker 1: last ride in New Orleans, you know, one last chance
Speaker 1: to go and see if they can make the playoffs
Speaker 1: and make a Super Bowl. So surrounding Breeze with more
Speaker 1: talents never a bad thing. Okay, we've taken Treadwill at four.
Speaker 1: Maybe No, I'm not okay, I don't think that's our
Speaker 1: biggest need. I say that because you know we have
Speaker 1: Does and we have Terrence. Let's develop them. Let's give
Speaker 1: him a quarterback. Yeah. I don't know if we do
Speaker 1: pick the quarterback at for but I'd feel more comfortable
Speaker 1: at taking a quarterback and four than a wide receiver,
Speaker 1: which is your position that you would be happy with
Speaker 1: other than the quarterback. Yeah, I think I would stick
Speaker 1: with the linebackers. Yeah, you know doing that because we
Speaker 1: love Sean Lee. He's great, he had a Pro Bowl year, right,
Speaker 1: but we need that playmaker. Yeah, you know someone who's
Speaker 1: gonna line He gave you a play That's why I
Speaker 1: was like, kle huh, Yeah, you're playing the best cover
Speaker 1: linebacker we've seen come out of the draft since since Keikley.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and once and you look at the number
Speaker 1: four pick. Traditionally, that's been a sweet spot for wide receivers,
Speaker 1: that first wide receiver to come off the board. Last
Speaker 1: year the fourth pick Mark Cooper, the year before that,
Speaker 1: the fourth pick Sammy Watkins. A couple of years before
Speaker 1: that at the fourth pick aj Green. So you know,
Speaker 1: that fourth pick traditionally been a little bit of a
Speaker 1: sweet spot for that first wide reip and it is
Speaker 1: your playmaker you know it is your guy. I mean
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper. It's a CDC up there with Derek Carr.
Speaker 1: That's their guy. But the thing that I have a
Speaker 1: problem with is you got eighty eight over here, and
Speaker 1: I know you got to line them up like you're
Speaker 1: talking about, you know, Treadwill with Brandon Cooks. I get that,
Speaker 1: but I don't feel comfortable if you talk about this
Speaker 1: all the time. If you're gonna get at this high
Speaker 1: of a pick, let's not be there again. Let's not
Speaker 1: be there again. We've had playmakers this past year and
Speaker 1: we saw why couldn't we get it done? That's fair.
Speaker 1: You raised an eyebrow. I did raise an eyebrow. Darren
Speaker 1: Lee at eighteen to the Colts. You're not the biggest
Speaker 1: Darren Lee fan, right, Yeah, you have some reservations. No,
Speaker 1: I need to go back and study Darren Lee some more.
Speaker 1: I's probably having a bad day. Well he's a former
Speaker 1: quarterback player back in high school. Well he's an out
Speaker 1: standing athlete. Yeah, I think the natural instincts are there.
Speaker 1: A little leaner than you want, needs to clean up
Speaker 1: a few things with his tackling technique. But I think
Speaker 1: the arrow was just pointing North on this player, I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna get better. Got him. I really like
Speaker 1: Darren Ly. I would have loved to see him back
Speaker 1: in Columbus for another year. I think he could have
Speaker 1: really helped himself. But even so, he's a top twenty
Speaker 1: pick right now. Braxton Millard to the Bengals at twenty four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: then the Bengals, they've got a few wis. They like
Speaker 1: Ohio state kids they name the Brown family has an
Speaker 1: Ohio state tie they also like. And where Braxton grew
Speaker 1: up is about an hour side of Cincinnati, and so, uh,
Speaker 1: Cincinnati is also liked versa little wide receivers, you know,
Speaker 1: they and before even with Hugh Jackson and without him,
Speaker 1: they run. They like to run a lot of exotic
Speaker 1: things on offense, and so the chance to add a
Speaker 1: Braxon Miller and his versatility to that offense. Uh. And
Speaker 1: on the other thing the Bengals have shown is they
Speaker 1: are not necessarily looking for that guy that can help
Speaker 1: right away in round one. They've been thinking long term.
Speaker 1: You know, last year they took the tackle from A
Speaker 1: and M a way, he who you know, wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: be able to play most of his rookie year because
Speaker 1: of injury, and they were okay with that exactly. They
Speaker 1: think long term, they think who can help us down
Speaker 1: the road. So I think BXON like your choice at
Speaker 1: twenty six with the Seahawks Jack Conklin. They need the
Speaker 1: need offensive line help now that Jack Colin former walk on. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You watch you watch when he played. I mean when
Speaker 1: when things are breaking down for you know that Alabama
Speaker 1: Michigan State game. It ain't Jack Conklin breaking down. And
Speaker 1: you watch him against Oregon going up against Buckner, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you see that course strength. You know, a
Speaker 1: strong hands, wide bass. Some guys will be able to
Speaker 1: beat him with speed, but no one's going through him,
Speaker 1: that's for sure. Just to go down here a little
Speaker 1: further to Jaren Reid twenty seven of the Packers, that'd
Speaker 1: be a great pick. Sheldon Rankins Kansas City. Oh, that's
Speaker 1: really good. That's all they need is another defensive lineman
Speaker 1: there Arizona with the with Vernon Butler defensive tackle Louisiana
Speaker 1: Tech helped himself a little bit this week. Then Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people will be surprised as
Speaker 1: he Butler maybe in that first round discussion, but he
Speaker 1: belongs I think he's uh. He proved it last week
Speaker 1: in Mobile and you see the lower body quickness, the
Speaker 1: upper body power, and he uses it in unison to
Speaker 1: beat up on Lineman and Kevin Dodd. It will be
Speaker 1: the thirty first pick. He's the defense fin from Clemson,
Speaker 1: and Dane thinks the Carolina Panthers will have that pick.
Speaker 1: So that just tells you right there. Next year when
Speaker 1: you know Brian's going through these games, and he told
Speaker 1: us this year, well, all of Carolina Panthers, you know,
Speaker 1: defensive lineas first and second round picks. So they're just
Speaker 1: gonna keep adding. That's right, that's right. Yeah, okay, kid,
Speaker 1: we did a great job day. That is I like
Speaker 1: your mind trap that the eighteen though I have a
Speaker 1: little question about that pick. All right, kay, Garrison, We're
Speaker 1: gonna try and finish up this show the next We've
Speaker 1: got three minutes before we have to get out of here, can't.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn it over to you and we're gonna
Speaker 1: fire through these calls, so everybody be ready to go,
Speaker 1: and we're all doing good again, So get your question
Speaker 1: and let's go. All right, Sean and Nova Scotia, you're up. Sean,
Speaker 1: all right, guys, thanks very much for taking my call.
Speaker 1: Great job at the Senior Bowl. Very insightful and enjoyed
Speaker 1: the sideline analysis. Thank you very much. So here's the
Speaker 1: question we go with, when does quantity outweigh quality. For example,
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay has a ninth pick, they have thirteen hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty points. They got to move up to number four.
Speaker 1: Dallas has eighteen hundreds, so they'd have to basically give
Speaker 1: up their second which means you have four picks in
Speaker 1: the top forty okay, and then who in the war
Speaker 1: room makes that call? So there's my question, guys, Thank you,
Speaker 1: great question. Okay, we're gonna make a trade here real quick,
Speaker 1: and then we're trying to we're gonna go down to Tampa.
Speaker 1: Where are they at nine? Is what they said. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's that's a spot. I mean that's going five and
Speaker 1: he's right, you know, go get there two. So you
Speaker 1: know that would be the call. If you're thinking about though,
Speaker 1: where their board sits a little bit in that second round?
Speaker 1: Could they say if you have could they get the
Speaker 1: defensive tackle, could they get a wide receiver, could they
Speaker 1: get a corner. That's where you kind of have to
Speaker 1: look at your board and say, okay, we're in the
Speaker 1: second round. Do we tend to have maybe maybe a
Speaker 1: little bit of a little depth at a position that
Speaker 1: we can go look at, or who do we where
Speaker 1: they're not a debt but we might need that position.
Speaker 1: So again, that's Jerry's call, at Steven's call. They're gonna
Speaker 1: have to convince will McClay, Todd Williams. They're all going
Speaker 1: to talk about that if the trade works. But yeah,
Speaker 1: if you get multiple picks, and that's great. I think
Speaker 1: the biggest question though, is who you can have it
Speaker 1: for and then who's gonna be there at nine? Exactly
Speaker 1: do you feel comfortable losing a Miles Jack at Jalen Ramsey? Right?
Speaker 1: And you know who do you really like at number nine?
Speaker 1: Is that? Don't trade away from a great player? That's
Speaker 1: the whole idea here. Yeah, you gotta you gotta make
Speaker 1: a determination which way that board's going, because again, if
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz goes to Cleveland at two, that's gonna set
Speaker 1: this draft in a whole other direction for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: in my opinion. Yeah, so we'll see. Well, in trading
Speaker 1: back is almost always the right option. Yeah, you look
Speaker 1: at the Browns, a couple of years ago. And I know,
Speaker 1: you know, Cowboys aren't the Browns. Not a lot of
Speaker 1: teams aren't. But you know they had the fourth pick,
Speaker 1: Sammy Watkins right there for him. Yeah, they traded back
Speaker 1: and they got Justin Gilbert. Yeah, so it's not always
Speaker 1: the best thing that the best, But then you could
Speaker 1: have the number nine pick and you could pick someone
Speaker 1: like Tyren Smith or is he Killie Hill? That work?
Speaker 1: Ken't who do you got? You got somebody else going
Speaker 1: on phones ringing right now? Give me a twenty seconds, okay,
Speaker 1: but yeah, the whole trade, the whole trade back, sneer.
Speaker 1: I'm always from me, tell me who I'm trading away from.
Speaker 1: If I look at the board, if I'm gonna lose this, this, this, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a situation where okay, but you gotta think, okay,
Speaker 1: if I could if it sometimes you'll have a deal
Speaker 1: where you go, Man, I wish I had an extra
Speaker 1: second round pick. Sure, and and yeah that's and that
Speaker 1: that'll work, that work, okay, Ken? Who do you get
Speaker 1: you in Germany? Reggie? Go ahead, Hi, I'm here now
Speaker 1: are you from trade will again? Okay? I know, um
Speaker 1: um we just heard that. Um we're I'm liking him
Speaker 1: too much because we we think we got Um Terrence
Speaker 1: Williams here, Terrence who was here last year. Sure Terence
Speaker 1: proved that he couldn't carry a ball. So we need
Speaker 1: a more consistent receiver next to DEAs. We need to
Speaker 1: open deads up. We've been trying to get DEAs opened
Speaker 1: Um in different positions the whole last year when he
Speaker 1: was healthy, couldn't do it. We need somebody to off
Speaker 1: set him. You know, we need a one receiver. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm going to say about that. Thank you, Reggie.
Speaker 1: I don't think I didn't say I didn't like Oh
Speaker 1: you did. No, I like him a ton and he
Speaker 1: is a boss, and I'd love to see how he's
Speaker 1: bounced back from a very scary injury. Yeah, that is huge,
Speaker 1: especially if a player is going to go and be
Speaker 1: successful in the league. What I said was is that
Speaker 1: I don't think that's our biggest need at four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we dropped back in trade. You're right, he could be
Speaker 1: a nine pick for us. No, and I agree it's
Speaker 1: not the biggest need. But at the same time, I
Speaker 1: think when you're picking four, it's more about finding the show. Well,
Speaker 1: you're at four, you want someone that can impact your
Speaker 1: roster and help your team move forward, and I think
Speaker 1: Treadwill can maybe to me, he needs to be in
Speaker 1: a discussion because he can step in at the number
Speaker 1: two and I know he's a lot like Dez. That's okay,
Speaker 1: give me two Deserts out there, and defensive quarterbacks. You've
Speaker 1: got two desas and you've got Kellen Moore throwing him
Speaker 1: a ball. You got that Castle throwing him a ball. Well,
Speaker 1: and that's why I'm addressing the back of quarterback and
Speaker 1: free adens. Yeah, I mean, I know, yeah, that needs
Speaker 1: to be said. No Manzell RG three, Well, no RG three.
Speaker 1: Maybe you know you look at that as a possibility,
Speaker 1: But I want the I'm not gonna draft. I don't
Speaker 1: want to draft a rookie quarterback there. I'd rather go
Speaker 1: and get into guy that's going to impact my team
Speaker 1: for sure. Until on the sixteen. Now, if this wasn't
Speaker 1: February fifth, and this was April fifth, and we'd already
Speaker 1: been through free agency and we did get someone that
Speaker 1: I feel comfortable could pass to two Deserts, I might
Speaker 1: change my mind, Reggie, So don't give up on me yet.
Speaker 1: Don't give up, Okay, last call the day and we'll
Speaker 1: end the draft show. Who do you got? Chris and Maryland?
Speaker 1: Go ahead? How you guys doing good? Right? Um? My
Speaker 1: question is I heard you talking about the quarterbacks and
Speaker 1: say we go with the linebacker in the first round,
Speaker 1: in the second or third round or so, what quarterback
Speaker 1: would you actually look at? Taking um and that that's
Speaker 1: what I have. Have a good day, guys, I'll take
Speaker 1: it all the air, all right? Thanks? Chris. Get a
Speaker 1: second round quarterback Dane Connor Cook. I mean, I you know,
Speaker 1: I think he can start in this league. My rear
Speaker 1: would be real tight if we took Connor Cook. I
Speaker 1: just he can start in the NFL. I just don't
Speaker 1: think he has a high ceiling. I don't think that
Speaker 1: he I mean, had he's a lackerberg do anything for you? No,
Speaker 1: I mean maybe in the maybe in a late third round.
Speaker 1: I would take it. What would he have done something
Speaker 1: for you if he wasn't getting sacked as many times?
Speaker 1: But a lot of those are his own doing, though,
Speaker 1: and that's what I give. Yes, the offensive play calling
Speaker 1: did not do him any favors once he lost Alan
Speaker 1: Robinson after season. Yeah, you know, no one helped him
Speaker 1: out the offensive line did not do him any favors.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, his tape shouldn't have been
Speaker 1: that bad, and a lot of it was self inflicted.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of bad habits, holding the ball
Speaker 1: too long, not recognizing things. I just I'm worried that
Speaker 1: he's damaged goods already. I mean, right in twenty thirteen,
Speaker 1: we saw what he could do. With Bill O'Brien. The
Speaker 1: last two years it was it was a mess, and
Speaker 1: a lot of that was because of him in his
Speaker 1: stunted development. Can a team NFL team get him back
Speaker 1: on track. I'm just not a true believer or a coach.
Speaker 1: You're talking about Bill O'Brien. He's worked with some of
Speaker 1: the best quarterbacks Tom Brady. Sure, yeah, and I'm not
Speaker 1: saying you can't. I would take a chance on him,
Speaker 1: probably your late third, early fourth, but I don't think
Speaker 1: he's gonna be there for me. He'll be drafted higher
Speaker 1: than I would. So Connor Cook's your only second round
Speaker 1: quarterback then, yeah, I have a late second round right on. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's that's fair. Okay, Well listen, that's all the time
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Speaker 1: because I'm tired of Dave. Well, you know, I love
Speaker 1: Dave and I hope that he makes it through Marty
Speaker 1: grob but if he decides to New Orleans, yeah, you're covered. Great,
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